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Title: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on January 28, 2010, 12:12 PM
From JediNews UK (http://jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=3228):

- Bespin Luke, At-At commander, Dengar, and Hoth Leia
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Basic Figure Line
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on January 28, 2010, 12:12 PM
It's Hoth Leia.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on January 28, 2010, 12:28 PM
Kinda meh on the Bespin Luke since we just got him in VTAC- there is definite improvement there, the head sculpt is wow!   looks like he doesn't have bj ankles
Leia's likeness looks great!  Looks like no bj ankles though.
Dengar is SA all around though I am nto sure I am liking the head sculpt - think I like the Saga one better - might have to do a swap.
At-At commander looks ok.  looks like the imp officer from the Legacy line with new armor slapped on and a new head.  not certain if I am liking the way the armor is riding on him - but it could just be this pic.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Scott on January 28, 2010, 12:29 PM
Can't get the site to open but I see the thumbnail over at RS...quick thoughts:

Hoth Leia cool, much needed update
Dengar...meh, I have been fine with the last one they did
Veers...meh, I have been fine with the last one they did
Luke...meh, I have been fine with the last one they did

Luke needed a new Headsculpt...bad so I am OK with that, but I need to see it up close.  The choices are bit lame, I would have preferred a different line up and this is the second or third time in the last few years where an couple of unnecessary resculpts have worked their ways into waves for real no apparrent reason (see Plo Koon, Agen Kolar, AT-AT Driver etc)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jeff on January 28, 2010, 12:30 PM
Guess that answers the question about Veers.  Looks like he's not a pack-in, but just a regular basic figure (though I suppose he could be both).

Not really sure I needed another new Dengar, but he does look spiffy.  Bespin Luke looks a bit better this round and Hoth Leia is a nice SA upgrade as well.  Definitely looks like a pretty good start to the line... but it is a bit disappointing that they are all resculpts (and the 3rd try on most of them) and there's no one new to go with them.  :-\
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Scott on January 28, 2010, 12:35 PM
Taking that thought one further, I think most people would have preferred something along the lines of 2nd resculpts...

Bespin Han
Hoth Luke
Hoth Leia
Vintage Bespin Guard or Echo Base Soldier

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on January 28, 2010, 12:45 PM
Yeah - I would be down for the above 4 figures.

that serioulsy isn't supposed to be Veers is it?  Rs.com is saying it is on their main page; however, Jedinews is just that it is a commander.  If that is supposed to be Veers then that head sculpt looks way off to me.

I am gonna go with what Jedinews is reporting on him for now...
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jeff on January 28, 2010, 12:53 PM
Well, that could just be Hasbro being cute - the Kenner figure was just called "AT-AT Commander", so if this is really an homage to the Kenner line/cards, that may be all they are planning on putting on the card.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jayson on January 28, 2010, 12:53 PM
Well since it is the new "vintage" line, he would just be called "AT-AT Commander" echoing the 80's vintage carded figure nomenclature.

Yeah, what Jeff said.  ;)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Matt R. on January 28, 2010, 12:59 PM
I think we didn't need another bespin luke but ok, it looks like he has ball jointed hips. the esb figs MIA are hoth/bespin han and rebel deck officer
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on January 28, 2010, 01:06 PM
@Jeff and Jayson - yeah I see what you mean in that regard, and I both understand that and think that MOC collectors will dig it, but I serioulsy think that the vintage figure had a better likeness to Veers than this new one.   :P
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jayson on January 28, 2010, 01:46 PM
Hopefully that Hoth Leia has laid a nice foundation for a Bespin Escape version. It would just need a new head, lower legs and ungloved hands.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: JesseVader08 on January 28, 2010, 01:55 PM
Leia - certainly an exciting update to get, 11 years in the making. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/1999HothLeiaPOTF2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/2010HothLeia.jpg)

Veers - I wasn't expecting a new one, but this is definitely an improvement for me.  Those angle cut elbows are horrible - I can't stand figures that have arms that fall apart.  >:(  I'm excited to see the new one has ball jointed elbows, though they are a little bulky. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/2006GeneralVeersTSC.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/2010ATATCommander.jpg)

Dengar - Once again, an unexpected release.  But like Veers, I think they've done a nice job super-articulating him, like other recent bounty hunter versions.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/2004DengarSAGA.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/2010Dengar.jpg)

Luke - The vintage 30AC/TSC version was quite good.  I'll probably be passing on him.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/2007BespinLukeVTSC.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/2010BespinLuke.jpg)

(My apologies to Jedinews.co.uk for "stealing" their photos and hosting them on photobucket, but it takes 10 minutes for each of their photos to load.  I just wanted to make it easier to compare the older versions (from RS))
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Brian on January 28, 2010, 02:03 PM
Like others have said, there could have been some different choices possibly (Bespin Han in particular), but overall the wave looks very good.  I wonder if this is it for that particular wave, with the rest possibly filled out with repacks?  Hoth Leia is probably the star of this wave, since it really needed a re-do.  I was fairly happy with the original Bespin Luke, but that head sculpt wasn't the best and this one looks like a major improvement.  I'm actually looking forward to picking up a few of those.  Kind of surprised to see that figure actually.  I was happy enough with the previous Veers as well, but don't mind seeing it (or in this case, a re-do) get put out there again.  The previous Dengar was pretty good too, but I'm glad to see an articulation upgrade so he fits in with the rest of the lineup better.  We'll really have a nice looking lineup of the ESB bounty hunters now.  Overall, all of the figures look great, just surprised we aren't really seeing anything "new" new.  Maybe the rest of the wave has a couple other all-new figures to alongside upgrades like Bespin Luke.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on January 28, 2010, 02:15 PM
While they all look very good, and I'm down for the Leia for sure, but IMO this is a very boring wave of figures. Small too, I wonder if there'll be a 5th or 6th as of yet unnanounced figure involved? I think I may pass on many of these, possibly all but Leia as I'm happy with the previous versions of these characters.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: iFett on January 28, 2010, 02:19 PM
Wonder if these will be in the clamshells at $15.99 a pop   :-\
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jayson on January 28, 2010, 02:24 PM
Wonder if these will be in the clamshells at $15.99 a pop   :-\

Not if this holds true:

087-06-1351 - 3.75 VINTAGE - $7.99
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: iFett on January 28, 2010, 02:34 PM
Duh...Forgot about that i guess.  Was only a matter of time before you or Jeff popped in with that.   ;)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Darth Broem on January 28, 2010, 02:35 PM
Do we even know if they are going to be repo-cards like the last ones?  Or are they just coming up with something like they did for OTC?  Anyway the figures look good to me.  

Luke Bespin - I am surprised they re-did him.  I thought they would round out the Hoth trio and given us Luke Hoth comparable with Leia and Han Solo.  It does look good though.  

Leia - Way overdue.  I will definately pick her up.  

Dengar - I am not dying for it but will probably get it to complete the SA versions we've gotten lately.

Veers - Well it's nice to have an updated one to go along with the new AT-AT.  I guess he won't be a pack-in with the AT-AT?  I am the least excited for this one.  For one I am ok with the last version.  For another if they are on repo-cards his is probably the lamest.  Just a picture of the AT-AT if I remember correctly?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on January 28, 2010, 02:46 PM
Until I saw the comparison shots I was scratching my head on redoing figures that did not need it (I was in nonetheless) but after seeing them it's night and day. That Bespin Luke smokes the droopy eyed VOTC one. The Body proportions and head sculpt are night/day. I was just resetting my display and posed Bespin Luke in the Famous blaster turn pose and looked at the belt hoping they woul upgrade that detail and give Luke a new head to improve the figure. I switched my two Bespin Luke heads with the Lumiya pack head. Talk about wishes coming true and beating it. I love the Saber hanging off of the belt, the new head and the new body scult. If these look this good I am really excited about Bespin Han in 2011. As long as Hasbro keeps this level of detail with less I am good with less figures. Between these four teasers, the CC, SS and Big AT-AT I am getting really excited again about collecting.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jesse James on January 28, 2010, 04:01 PM
Some thoughts...

-Dengar...  Outstanding update, and now all the bounty hunters are SA.  That's nice.

-Bespin Luke...  It's an update.  I was ok with the vintage figure, but I like this one too, and the improvements, but I'm disappointed at the lack of ankle joints since the last figure had them.

-Hoth Leia...  Long overdue update, but again the ankles...  On Leia though it's more forgivable because of her stature, but still they've done them right on Leia's in the past I think, and Hoth boots hide ankle joints well, so it would've been nice since Leia's are often difficult to pose too.

-Veers Guy...  I'm curious to see if there's a removable belt or hat included.  Otherwise it looks ok to me.  I can't tell much by the headsculpt but to me the face looks like Veers.  Nice pants upgrade there with the jagdpurs now. 

I think some of the choices are a little bit of a headscratcher, mostly Bespin Luke (I get a new headsculpt, but the entire figure?), and this isn't maybe the most exciting wave, but I'm still pretty happy to add them to my collection too.  I would've liked a Hoth Luke instead of Bespin Luke, but I'll take Bespin Luke too so that's fine.

I'm sort of shocked at the Veers upgrade...  I didn't expect Hasbro to go back there.  I just wonder if they're giving us the little details that figure lacked last time around now.  The back piece to the armor, a removable officer's cap, the war belt being removable...  The little stuff.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Diddly on January 28, 2010, 04:06 PM
Gonna echo all the comments that said we didn't really need most of these, because it's true. However, these all look pretty good.

Luke - I thought I had the perfect Bespin Luke after I swapped the head with the Luke from the Lumiya Comic Pack but this one appears to have the awesome sculpt from the Snowspeeder Pilot Luke. And no dirty/muddy mid 90's paint on the clothes. Only negative appears to be the unarticulated ankles.

Leia - Obviously we needed this one years ago. Great figure.

Dengar - When they started updating all the bounty hunters I actually really wanted a SA Dengar but learned to accept the 2004 Dengar, which is actually a really good figure. I'll definitely be getting this one, and it'll be good to have a complete line of SA bounty hunters.

Veers - Eh, nice to have an SA one I guess. Not necessary but the old one is pretty awful.

Again, this is kinda puzzling because we just got most of these figures. I like them and will buy them, but I'd rather have a new Bespin Han, Hoth Gear Luke, maybe even a new Bespin Lando with less poofy arms and ball jointed ankles.

Oh, and the Clean Shaven Hoth Rebel Soldier better be included as a repack in this wave, or else... >:(
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: speedermike on January 28, 2010, 04:17 PM
These all look great, but I feel we have great versions of 3 out of four.  However, I would much rather buy repeats of this quality, than have nothing new.  If this is where the line is going, I can deal with that.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Brian on January 28, 2010, 05:28 PM
These all look great, but I feel we have great versions of 3 out of four.  However, I would much rather buy repeats of this quality, than have nothing new.  If this is where the line is going, I can deal with that.

I'm sort of wondering about future "updates" as well.  It seems like the general consensus here is that, aside from Hoth Leia, the previous figures were pretty well done already.  Don't get me wrong, they all (with a question mark on the Veers so far) seem to look better than their previous versions, but I'm wondering if we'll be seeing more of these "tweaks" to get almost perfect figures the rest of the way there.  Bespin Luke was really just missing a decent head sculpt, which it appears we're getting...and Dengar just needed articulation, which he is getting.  I wonder if we'll see something like the Bespin Lando re-done with ball jointed elbows (same with the ROTS Anakin), or other things like this.  I guess I don't mind either as long as they are this quality, and they come alongside some more needed re-dos (and new figures) like Leia.

If all the talk about the "collectors" line eventually ending (which hopefully/probably won't happen anyways) to make way for more CW would turn out to be true, and we missed out on some of the much requested/wanted new figures and resculpts for these minor updates...I think we'd see a lot of complaining.  All that being said, I think these figures look great, and personally I'm really looking forward to them.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: JesseVader08 on January 28, 2010, 06:42 PM
-Bespin Luke...  I'm disappointed at the lack of ankle joints since the last figure had them.

-Hoth Leia...  but again the ankles...

I was hoping the ankle joints were just well hidden, but I think you may be right about them missing.  Disappointing for "upgrade" figures.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Darby on January 28, 2010, 08:21 PM
I share most everyone's opinions.  I will say I thought Luke was necessary, since the head sculpt on the last one was bad.  They continue their amazing Luke streak here.  Leia is good (not great), Dengar was inevitable, and the AT AT Commander is logical touch given the AT AT, but not necessary.

Missing here are Hoth/Bespin Han, the Deck Officer, and any repacks.  I agree, I'd like to have seen some more new, like Toryn Farr.  Oh, well.  There's always next year!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Nicklab on January 28, 2010, 08:22 PM
Interesting choices all the way 'round.

Luke - I think Hasbro saw enough of the remarks about the head sculpt of the VTSC figure and saw a need to get the likeness right.  This figure seems to meet that need.  And the lightsaber hilt will actually attach to the belt?  That's an improvement.

Hoth Leia - Very good update.  The likeness looks true.  The articulation is good.  And I like the fact that the vest looks removable.  It looks like there's some forward thinking going on at Hasbro.  As for ankle joints?  I don't think this is a case of them being costed out.  Rather, Leia's pretty small compared with some of the other characters.  I think that ankle joints in such a small figure might have been prohibitive.

Dengar - I for one wasn't convinced that the Dengar of 2003/04 needed an update.  But this figure looks like a definite improvement on that release.

AT-AT Commander - Definitely a surprise considering all of the speculation there's been around the various boards.  But when you factor in the new AT-AT that seems to be on the way, it's a logical release.  It looks like it's building on the Captain Needa body.  However, I honestly do not think this is supposed to be General Veers.  The likeness of the TSC figure is far more like Veers than this one.  Plus, that TSC figure had the correct rank insignia for General Veers.  This figure does not.  But it's actually closer to the rank insignia of the vintage AT-AT Commander.  Interesting!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Diddly on January 28, 2010, 09:22 PM
-Bespin Luke...  I'm disappointed at the lack of ankle joints since the last figure had them.

-Hoth Leia...  but again the ankles...

I was hoping the ankle joints were just well hidden, but I think you may be right about them missing.  Disappointing for "upgrade" figures.

On closer inspection, it doesn't look like Leia has any neck articulation either, so hopefully it's just these prototype pictures missing a few bits of articulation. We'll find out more at Toy Fair or in a Hasbro Q&A I guess
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 28, 2010, 09:27 PM
I'll get the Luke because I never got the VOTC version.

I'm definitely getting three Liea's.  One to tend to Luke in in the BMF Falcon, one to sit in the cockpit of the BMF Falcon (once a better Bespin Han is released), and one for my Bespin "diorama".
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: JediJman on January 28, 2010, 09:29 PM
While they all look very good, and I'm down for the Leia for sure, but IMO this is a very boring wave of figures. Small too, I wonder if there'll be a 5th or 6th as of yet unnanounced figure involved? I think I may pass on many of these, possibly all but Leia as I'm happy with the previous versions of these characters.

I think they all look good and I will get 2x of each, but agree with you that the wave is kind of boring.  I'm most excited about Hoth Leia and that's not saying much.   :-\
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Ben on January 28, 2010, 10:28 PM
I like Leia and Luke, since the Luke we got in 2007 wasn't all that great. Dengar was inevitable, but welcome, but I'm scratching my head about Veers. Because of the AT-AT, I can understand his inclusion.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: evenflow on January 29, 2010, 12:44 AM
Not excited by any of these.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Rob on January 29, 2010, 02:34 AM
I think the Leia is a big improvement and a necessary one.  The others all look great, but they wouldn't have been at the top of my list by a mile.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 29, 2010, 05:13 AM


-Veers Guy...  I'm curious to see if there's a removable belt or hat included.  Otherwise it looks ok to me.  I can't tell much by the headsculpt but to me the face looks like Veers.  


I don't think it's Veers.

The face sculpt is a complete miss if it is, and the rank on his upper chest has 3 blues and 3 reds, Veers has 4 blues and 4 reds.  

Is this figure actually being called "General Veers" or "AT-AT Commander"?

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4312061916_0431931a71_o.jpg)


(http://www.kristensen.us/2002/star_wars_celebration2/images/meeting_celebs/julian_glover_aka_general_veers.jpg)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Paul on January 29, 2010, 07:31 AM
I guess I am a sucker for anything Hasbro throws the word "Vintage" on.   These things are all good enough and welcome to my collection.

The Leia is definately an upgrade and needed. 

The luke has enough changes (hips, head, hands) to make it worthy to replace my previous version.

Dengar SA was on my list (not sure how high, but still it beats getting another Gungan Jedi Clone Cantina Alien Droid)

AT-AT Commander is good too, if it is Veers, it is an upgrade that last one had limited Articulation, if it is a generic ATAT Commander then there is needed to finish off the SA versions of Vintage/OT Characters that is the focus of my collection.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 29, 2010, 09:44 AM
I'm a little mixed on these as well. Excited because it initially seems like they're going to stick to re-do's of the original 93, but disappointed in the selection of the first offering. Leia is easily the best choice followed closely by Dengar. Luke seems superfluous except for want looks like ball joined hips and the At-At commander looks horrible. And this is coming from guy who eats up anything imperial and asks for more. The only redeeming quality could be the fact that he could be called At-At commander rather than Veers.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 29, 2010, 09:48 AM
I guess I am a sucker for anything Hasbro throws the word "Vintage" on.   These things are all good enough and welcome to my collection.


I feel the exact same way.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: John C on January 29, 2010, 10:02 AM
Hoth Leia- nice!!!
Bespin Luke- nice, but a Hoth Luke would have been better
Dengar-nice!
Veers-nice, but Bespin Han would have been better
I will buy these figures.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: McMetal on January 29, 2010, 10:03 AM
Not excited by any of these.

Me either. It amazes me how they utterly fail to capture the likeness of the characters from the films. None of those 4 looks anything like the actors in question.

Articulation and detail are great, but give me a well-sculpted face and proportionally accurate body parts. Not Popeye arms like that crappy Veers.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jeff on January 29, 2010, 10:06 AM
Is this figure actually being called "General Veers" or "AT-AT Commander"?

We don't know for sure yet - RS and some sites called him out as Veers, but like Jayon and I said two pages back, he'll probably just be "AT-AT Commander" since that's what the original vintage card said.

Well, that could just be Hasbro being cute - the Kenner figure was just called "AT-AT Commander", so if this is really an homage to the Kenner line/cards, that may be all they are planning on putting on the card.

Well since it is the new "vintage" line, he would just be called "AT-AT Commander" echoing the 80's vintage carded figure nomenclature.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: EpicGon on January 29, 2010, 10:13 AM
Great job for Hasbro

Leia retakes the combination of 80īs vintage yellow pullover with cream/grey boots updated, also her face looks like carry in a nice way

Bespin Luke is an excellent update in the head, he looks movie accurate. Also the paintjob is perfect and the utility belt has more details than vtac version.

Dengar well accurate, it seems he has longer legs in 2010 release. Its like seeing his armor parts in another position

Veers looks like he doesnīt have the cap, so we could see his face hair details, a variation in the chest and stomach position of the armor.

I hope Hasbro changes its mind and releases them before August

All four are a must for my collection
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Nicklab on January 29, 2010, 10:22 AM
I find it really funny that almost every site where there's discussion about these figures are completely disregarding the reporting of Jedi News in their article.  They specifically call the figure an AT-AT Commander and not General Veers.  They did the reporting and got the images from Hasbro UK.  Folks might want to take that into account.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Brian on January 29, 2010, 10:27 AM
Yeah, I sort of think that's what we're going to see as well.  Like it has already been said, the previous version really looked a lot more like Veers than this new version's face sculpt, so it may just be "AT AT Commander" and that's that.  I think that would be fine for most too, since the previous version of Veers was pretty well done.  I'm surprised that there is a lot of people down on these figures.  Sure, maybe they weren't what we expected/hoped for character selection-wise, but I think the figures themselves look pretty great.  Like a few others have said, I'm actually pretty happy we're getting a new Bespin Luke, since the last VTSC version wasn't quite as good as it could have been.  Between that one and this new one, I think we've definitely got a definitive Bespin Luke that can be retired and re-released from now on.  Hoth Leia is an upgrade many of us have been waiting for, and Dengar - while well done previously - has that nice SA upgrade to go with the rest of the Hunter crew.  Hasbro really has been doing some pretty good work the last couple years, and it seems like there isn't nearly the excitement for the line that there used to be.  I remember when the VOTC figures first showed up online (or even the prequel movies figures), and the forums were buzzing for days.  It doesn't seem like we see that level of excitement with new leaks or info anymore, at least for the most part.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jeff on January 29, 2010, 10:31 AM
I find it really funny that almost every site where there's discussion about these figures are completely disregarding the reporting of Jedi News in their article.  

I'm willing to give people a little wiggle room on that.  Yesterday when the pics first popped up, Jedi News was getting hammered - lots of folks saw the pics re-posted someplace else and never had a chance to read the article that went with the pics due to traffic.

But yeah - you're right.  They do say "AT-AT Commander" at JN.uk (a fact that was pointed out on page 1 of the thread) and like I said above, based on the original Kenner card that makes the most sense to put on the US card.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Nicklab on January 29, 2010, 11:37 AM
I agree that there's definitely the potential for some confusion on the subject.  Especially since we only ever see Veers in the AT-AT Commander uniform/armor.

If it is indeed an AT-AT Commander, this does give Hasbro a generic army builder that they can offer.  The army builders have always gone gaga over Imperials.  I think the army builders would be far more likely to troop build with a generically named figure than one with a specific character name.  It's a psychological point, but a potentially valid one.

Still, I've got to wonder if the folks at Hasbro regarded the vintage AT-AT Commander as a figure that hadn't been remade in the modern line.  Perhaps this is a case of them trying to cover the bases on that slow march towards completing modern resculpts of all of the Kenner vintage figures.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: CHEWIE on January 29, 2010, 01:37 PM
I don't care if it's General Veers, AT-AT Commander, or if Hasbro mislabels the final package and calls him Greedo.  I just want several of the figure as openers.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on January 29, 2010, 02:44 PM
agreed - if the head sculpt doesn't change he is just gonna be a basic imp commander - he won't be replacing my Veers.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Keonobi on January 29, 2010, 03:21 PM
I agree that there's definitely the potential for some confusion on the subject.  Especially since we only ever see Veers in the AT-AT Commander uniform/armor.

He also appears sans armor to inform Lord Vader about Admiral Ozzel's incompetence.  But I think that's what you meant by uniform/armor.


I like all four, but I'm most pleased that we're getting an updated Dengar and a new Imperial is good, even if he'll have to report to ole' swivel elbows.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jesse James on January 29, 2010, 03:49 PM
Yes, he is seen actually several times without the armor...  He's standing with Ozzel, Piett, and Vader at one point as well. 

Also a good point about the rank badge by Dressel.  The rankings in Empire were pretty sorted out by the military advisor, much like in A New Hope, and so that rank isn't the same as Veers (as Dressel made clear with his picture support), so that to me helps this character along as a "generic" Officer, as it's my understanding from sourcebooks that Generals don't generally (no pun) ride along into battle like that, and its Veers' willingness to don armor and go headlong into battle that makes Vader actually like him a lot.

It also ultimately got him killed in the cut footage too.   :-\

But other source material shows the officers in charge of AT-AT's, and they're a lower rank, with 2 lower ranks below him on each deck making sure I guess everyone gets out the door ok.  Kind of like making sure the kids get off to school alright. :)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Nicklab on January 29, 2010, 04:35 PM
I agree that there's definitely the potential for some confusion on the subject.  Especially since we only ever see Veers in the AT-AT Commander uniform/armor.

He also appears sans armor to inform Lord Vader about Admiral Ozzel's incompetence.  But I think that's what you meant by uniform/armor.


I should clarify my point that Veers is the only Imperial officer ever seen in that commander's armor.  I'm certainly aware of his scenes on the Executor, such as when he briefs Vader about the fleet having dropped out of hyperspace.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: jedi_master_sal on January 29, 2010, 04:50 PM
I just want to know if that armor comes off as well as the helmet and if there is a cap to place on the figure's head. While I'm not enthralled with the "angry eyes" Imp officer, he'd make a decent army builder. A quick head swap would do. And a small whittling away of a set of pips would make him a different rank.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: CHEWIE on January 29, 2010, 07:42 PM
I think on the AT-AT Commander, I am most curious about the lower armor section.  If it's molded to his belt or tunic, I won't be happy.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 29, 2010, 08:29 PM
Hasbro seems to have some really curious choices to start a new line of figures with.  As for these, I'm passing on the AT-AT Commander, and will probably put the last Dengar's head on the new body.  Leia is wonderful, but her POTF2 boots are actually more film-accurate than the typical Hoth boots like those on the new version (no big deal there though).  Luke looks a good bit better too.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Darth Broem on January 29, 2010, 11:49 PM
Do we know this is the first wave that they are starting with?  I know it's the first pics we have seen of course.  If it is the first wave then yeah I agree it's not the strongest they could come up with.  You just know if they redid Luke Bespin then a Vader of some sort is sure to near.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: DoctorPadawan on January 31, 2010, 11:12 AM
Even though I know the focus is going to be on the new figures (and rightfully so), I'm curious as to who Hasbro is going to include in this wave as repacks.  Logic would suggest that the four new figures would be at least 2 per case (despite nobody being more than 1 per case in recent Legacy assortments this year), with four repacks; with the supposed return of the vintage-styled cardback, it could be a good way for Hasbro to suck in non-carded collectors to buy the repacks. 

Personally, I think the best choice of four figures to recard would be the AT-AT Driver (since the AT-AT will hopefully be out by the time this wave hits), the non-bearded Hoth Rebel Soldier we never got the first time around, a kitbashed Snowspeeder Wedge (using the Luke SS body and the head from the Target X-Wing), and either Zuckuss or 4-LOM (mainly because we've gotten all four other bounty hunters on vintage reissue cards by that point, and it would be a neat nod to the vintage line by including both of them with their "correct" names).

Back to the new figures, though, I have to say that I'm already more impressed with the AT-AT Commander figure than I ever was with General Tarantino Veers back in 2006.  The way those cut-elbow arms stuck out at a permanent 90 degree angle always bothered me, so this one seems like a nice upgrade.  Leia is very needed at this point, and Dengar seems like a nice upgrade.  A new Bespin Luke I could have done without, but the head sculpt is better than the vintage 2007 version, so count me in for one of those, too.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Nicklab on January 31, 2010, 11:31 AM
James from JediNews chimed in on the discussion over the AT-AT Commander over at the other(R) site.  He said that Hasbro specifically identified the figure as an AT-AT Commander, NOT as General Veers.  It's nice to have some firsthand confirmation to put this to bed.  And I still have some hope that we might see at least a couple more figures for this particular wave.  A Dack Ralter would be most welcome to go with the new Snowspeeder!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Darby on January 31, 2010, 02:31 PM
Hasbro has pretty much al but confirmed the Echo Base Han (Hoth/Bespin hybrid), right?  Only makes sense he'd be in this wave.  I don't think we've seen everything 'new' yet.  Didn't they say somewhere it'd be 6 waves of 6 (new) figures each?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: speedermike on January 31, 2010, 10:27 PM
Something like that...but I wonder how many "new" figures we'll get.  We know there's a few in the ROTJ wave, but I worry that most of the year will be very nice upgrades.  While I'm OK with that, it doesn't excite me much as new, never-done-before characters.  Could be a bit of a "meh" year.  But all the new vehicles are looking good.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jesse James on February 1, 2010, 01:20 AM
I dig your idea on the Wedge kitbash Dr. Padawan, but my only gripe there is Luke's height as alaways.  It's a great sculpt, but a great one for Luke.  I'd much prefer seeing the Evolutions hybrid Snowspeeder body used for a Wedge kitbash.  They've got the head and that's a suitable body to me... 

The AT-AT Driver's a good idea for a repack but he's the only figure lingering from the ESB2.0 wave near me right now, so I sort of worry too.  The Saga one lingered as well.  That's a figure that maybe doesn't have the umph of other armored Clone-ish type guys, I dunno...  AT-AT or not AT-AT to support him.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 1, 2010, 09:43 AM
James from JediNews chimed in on the discussion over the AT-AT Commander over at the other(R) site.  He said that Hasbro specifically identified the figure as an AT-AT Commander, NOT as General Veers.  It's nice to have some firsthand confirmation to put this to bed. 

And yet, some will continue to believe he's being called Veers no matter how confirmed he's not.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: JediJman on February 1, 2010, 10:06 AM
Okay, maybe I'm just not as into this as some, but does it really matter if they call him Veers or just AT-AT Commander?  We're getting the same figure either way and most of us are openers, so I don't get the heated debate on whether he's a generic commander or a specific character.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 1, 2010, 11:18 AM
Okay, maybe I'm just not as into this as some, but does it really matter if they call him Veers or just AT-AT Commander?  We're getting the same figure either way and most of us are openers, so I don't get the heated debate on whether he's a generic commander or a specific character.

True dat
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: speedermike on February 1, 2010, 11:23 AM
I agree.  The figure is the figure.  A name is worthless once he's in a diorama or on a shelf of 100s of other figs.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 1, 2010, 11:37 AM
As a carded collector I'd prefer the name over a no name, but in this case I dodn't care as much since I have a Veers already and like the idea if it's in homage to the original ATAT Commander.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Brian on February 1, 2010, 11:55 AM
Hasbro has pretty much al but confirmed the Echo Base Han (Hoth/Bespin hybrid), right?  Only makes sense he'd be in this wave.  I don't think we've seen everything 'new' yet.  Didn't they say somewhere it'd be 6 waves of 6 (new) figures each?

Yeah, I don't remember the exact quote now either (I'm sure someone can track it down), but I think when they were discussing the "post Legacy" line for 2010, that there would be four waves of six figures each (one each for ESB, ROTJ, ROTS, and AOTC), and then waves for ANH/TPM coming in 2011.  I also thought they mentioned waves of 6 figures each (new/updated), alongside some "greatest hits" style repacks.  That being said, we'll probably see 2 more "new" figures for this wave...the aforementioned Han (which I think is confirmed) and one other.  I'm hoping that last figure will be something more obscure (maybe along the lines of Torryn Farr), and then the repacks will be one per case.  We've heard several times now that they are scaling back on the really collector focused figures, so I'd be surprised if we see more than one per wave and then probably packed one to a case (like Willrow).  I can't remember if Hasbro had mentioned any other ESB figures in previous Q and A's, aside from that Han.  I know we had several confirmations for the ROTJ wave at one point, so we might be able to figure that out.  I think the AT-AT driver might be a good call for a repack, although we just got one...and the Snowtrooper might be another one.  I'm really hoping we'll see the clean shaven Hoth Trooper here, but I think Hasbro said it would be in a battle pack.  It would be great to see that individually carded in this wave though.  Maybe there will be repacks of recent figures like Snowspeeder Luke as well, even though we're already getting a Luke in the wave (same could be said for the VTSC Hoth Han, but that might be way too similar to the new version).

Overall, I guess I'm ok with that formula if this is how it will be from now on.  I can see how seeing four figures that we've seen before in some capacity might be a little boring, but - at least from these pics - they all look pretty nicely done to me, and I look forward to picking them up.  Plus, it seems like more and more of our "want lists" - particularly for the OT - have been filled with resculpts lately, so it may work out well.  Have maybe four upgraded figures per wave, and two all-new ones, and some smart repacks and it could make for some nice waves.  I still don't understand why we're not getting Bespin Han, instead of this other version, but I'll happily buy it either way.  I'm still hoping we'll see the entire ESB wave, and hopefully the wave after, at Toy Fair.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Jeff on February 1, 2010, 12:01 PM
(I'm sure someone can track it down)

:)

From Q&A @ Dewback Patrol (http://dewbackpatrol.com/phpBB4/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=160):

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In Fall, there will be waves for EpII, III, V, and VI (although not in that order) with about 24 new/retooled characters for Fall debuting along with a number of "greatest hits" (package refreshed) to round out the waves.


Yeah, about 24 "new" figures and then more GH/repack figures.  While it is not confirmed, it has been rumored that the "Echo Base" Han and one other 'new' figure (?) will indeed end up in this wave but were not quite ready for photo day by UK Toy Fair.

Personally, I think they held back the Han figure just to spite me.   :P
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on February 1, 2010, 03:30 PM
Hopefully characters like the Blue Deco Jango will not count towards the 24 "New/retooled" number. there are a few characters that I would love see upgraded with deco changes. Also droid repaints can give us new without tooling.
I would love to see the following figure that do not count toward the 24:

Blue Suit Evo Jango
Spirt Obi-Wan using the Legacy Tool
Spirit Yoda using the VOTC Tool
Mustafar Obi/Anakin with burnt deco/sith eyes
Hoth Rebel Trooper with blonde beard/frost deco like you are seeing on the new ROC figures

You get the drift. We may get some unexpected new. 2 weeks to go to get a glimpse!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: P-Siddy on February 1, 2010, 03:40 PM
Personally, I think they held back the Han figure just to spite me.   :P

Maybe they wanted to wait until Toyfair so you can see it in person, Jeff?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Nicklab on February 1, 2010, 03:48 PM
I agree.  I think they wanted to hold something back for Toy Fair.  We're just a little under 2 weeks away.  

OR....that new Echo Base Han Solo might be part of a battle pack.  As it is, this wave has 2 core characters in the lineup for this particular wave.  Having Luke, Leia AND Han Solo in the same assortment seems almost extreme.  Plus, we know there's a Hoth themed (exclusive) battle pack on the way with the Rebel Trooper head variant.  Echo Base Han may be in that set.

It makes me think of the prognosticating that comes from the Q&A process.  Hasbro gives plenty of indications about what figures are on the way.  But as for whether a figure may be in the basic figure assortment, as part of a battle pack or some kind of exclusive?  That can lead to some potential confusion.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: EpicGon on February 1, 2010, 04:27 PM
One thing the actual vintage style means nowadays is the tendency to launch a rendition of an already released figure from the 93 figures basic line of 70īs, 80īs, So I donīt know if they could use the name vintage style to launch a version of an outfit that is not alreday released like the Dagobah landing pilot Luke, Han from Echo Base, Toryn Farr and so on.

But, when reading some rumors telling aotc figures would get a vintage style treatment, I thought: Hasbro might expand this line to include figures that appeared since potf2 and didnīt have a previous version in the 1977-1984 era, like Slave Leia, Dagobah fatigues Luke, the imperial technician and so on.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Darby on February 1, 2010, 08:19 PM
That's my hope.  I'd love to see some of those figures (Wedge, Slave Leia, Tarkin, Cantina Band Member, etc.) represented in the line.  I know they won't do every one of those, given they're not "Greatest Hits" material, but it'd be a nice treat in a collector focused year.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 2, 2010, 09:39 AM
Okay, maybe I'm just not as into this as some, but does it really matter if they call him Veers or just AT-AT Commander?  We're getting the same figure either way and most of us are openers, so I don't get the heated debate on whether he's a generic commander or a specific character.

True dat

It actually matters to me in a purist way. At least I appreciate the fact that he's called At-At commander.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 3, 2010, 10:03 PM
So Dak - is he in this wave, or somewhere else?

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 3, 2010, 11:00 PM
On the Veers/Commander issue I can see it mattering from an accuracy standpoint and I'm not sure if that's what Anton meant or not...  But with the ranking differences and things, I could see it mattering to some.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth Broem on February 4, 2010, 12:01 AM
I am kind of confused by the vintage stuff.  Are we geting all vintage style cardbacks on every OT figure.  Or are they making a seperate other line to?  Like Dak...are they making a vintage style card for him to???  I guess so?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 4, 2010, 01:14 AM
Everything Legacy is now Vintage-style...  No sub-line.  The realistic movie line is now a "vintage look" line.  Everything else is going to be on the Clone Wars blue sky cardbacks (vehicles, deluxe, Legends, Clone Wars, etc.).
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Pete_Fett on February 4, 2010, 01:21 AM
Hasbro confirmed this week that we're getting new Dak and Cloud Car Pilot figures.

Does this mean that this wave has more than six "new" figures?

I'm okay with it if it does, 'cause that means out of that first case of 12 figures, the more "new" figures the better - the less likely there will be peg-warmers right out of the gate.

I also can't imagine that they wouldn't re-issue the new AT-AT driver in this wave with the AT-AT coming out and all.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on February 4, 2010, 09:01 AM
The word is that the AT-AT will include the AT-AT Driver.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on February 4, 2010, 09:23 AM
while I Dak isn't at the top of my list - I do find it very good news to hear he is coming, along with the CC pilot - I will nab them both (and an extra of the CC pilot of course).

But with all of these products coming out now focused on the release of this AT-AT (Snowspeeder Luke, AT-AT driver, AT-AT commander, Dak, Snowspeeder, etc?), I am kinda hoping we see the Snowtrooper Officer guy to go with it all.  While he is not high on my want list, like Dak, all the justifications and them some are out there to put this guy on the shelves right now imo.

I would think that since there are so few differences between him and regular trooper (new headsculpt. rank badge, and I think he is all white), this would be easy/cheap for Hasbro to do.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on February 4, 2010, 09:49 AM
Hasbro confirmed this week that we're getting new Dak and Cloud Car Pilot figures.

Does this mean that this wave has more than six "new" figures?

They confirmed the figures, but not the place or time they would be coming.  They could be in this wave or they could be in a Battle Pack or a 2011 ESB wave or whatever.  We'll have to wait for Toy Fair to figure it out.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Nicklab on February 4, 2010, 10:03 AM
Hasbro never explicitly stated that the 24 new figures for this fall would be divided equally between 4 waves.  But there's also the potential like Jeff stated that any of these figures that Hasbro has confirmed might be part of a battle pack or multipack.  Until Hasbro lays out their plan at the Toy Fair presentation things are going to remain a little bit murky.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 4, 2010, 03:39 PM
But with all of these products coming out now focused on the release of this AT-AT (Snowspeeder Luke, AT-AT driver, AT-AT commander, Dak, Snowspeeder, etc?), I am kinda hoping we see the Snowtrooper Officer guy to go with it all.  While he is not high on my want list, like Dak, all the justifications and them some are out there to put this guy on the shelves right now imo.

Actually, you'd be surprised at the differences, Smash.  I think Dago-bah or someone did a really detailed custom of the Snowtrooper Officer seen in the AT-AT cockpit talking with Veers.  His boots were different, and his uniform overall had a number of differences (no pouches on the belt for instance I believe).  I was surprised when a comparison was done actually.  The facemask was the most noticeable difference though, as was the rank badge of course.  But there was a lot more to it overall as well.

He's a figure I'd like to see as well since he gets some screentime with Veers there. :)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 5, 2010, 11:04 AM
Maybe Dak will be in the Hoth BP with the beardless rebel trooper.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on February 5, 2010, 03:30 PM
Here is a head scratcher. Infamous eBay seller "tunghori" has up for bid, a 4-LOM (http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-WARS-Legacy-tlc-metallic-4-LOM-exclusive_W0QQitemZ370331121384QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item56397476e8#ht_837wt_1153) figure that has a drastically different paint job when compared to the TAC version (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/tac/41/lf.html). Could this be a homage repaint to reissue on the Vintage card or a custom? Hmm.....
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Brian on February 5, 2010, 05:26 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing that figure get re-released.  I always wanted to pick up one more extra of 4-LOM (as well as the VTSC Bossk and IG-88), and this would be a great year to get the bounty hunters out there again.  Although it would be too many figures for a "regular" battle pack, it wouldn't be a bad time to have a store exclusive battle pack with all the ESB bounty hunters in it.  Of course, they would likely have to use the older Dengar with a better one on the pegs right above it, so that might be silly.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on February 5, 2010, 05:41 PM
I just placed two orders with him 3 days apart as new figures popped up. I really want one of these but I will wait a few days. This looks much nicer and truly closer to the Vintage one. If these are the kind of repaints in store for Vintage they will definitely get me to buy again. This is like the resurgence of the 2004 OTC line in terms of newness/refresh.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 5, 2010, 06:29 PM
That's a very faithful homage to the vintage 4-LOM/Zuckuss paint job.  I'd say he's one the repacks.  Probably means we'll see Zuckuss again - maybe as 4-LOM - to complete the set.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Pete_Fett on February 5, 2010, 07:34 PM
I definitely would welcome a vintage-style paint app on the TAC 4-LOM - like Jack said - if this is the kind of thing they have planned, then I will definitely not have a problem buying some of the upcoming repacks.

I have to wonder if a Death Star Trooper repaint like the Death Squad Commander might  be on the way as well (one can hope!)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JediJman on February 5, 2010, 07:52 PM
I have to wonder if a Death Star Trooper repaint like the Death Squad Commander might  be on the way as well (one can hope!)

Okay, that might be pretty cool.  There are some pretty creative repaints they could do for this vintage line...
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 5, 2010, 09:35 PM
One of the rumor lists has the Death Squad Commander on it.  I'd say it's a pretty safe bet.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Paul on February 5, 2010, 10:19 PM

I have to wonder if a Death Star Trooper repaint like the Death Squad Commander might  be on the way as well (one can hope!)


Oh please not a straight repaint... that thing is WRONG for a Vintage Death Squad Commander.  And by today's scale standards that DST from a couple years ago is Wookie Tall.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on February 5, 2010, 10:54 PM
There are rumors/theories floating about that this figure may be part of the "Bounty Hunter Collection" that turned up on the Hasbro marketing slide a few weeks ago. If that is the case, I'd venture a guess that we'd get the other bounty hunters with vintage deco as well. Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth Broem on February 5, 2010, 11:52 PM
Yeah, that new 4-LOM Ebay picture kind of let's that cat out of the bag.  Damn they know how to get my money. 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Nicklab on February 6, 2010, 12:47 AM
There may be another figure mailaway running around the same time as the Boba Fett.  But that one has not been identified yet.  And it seems that the new line is geared very much around the nostalgia of the vintage era.  It makes me think that this 4-LOM might be another mailaway.  4-LOM was one of the more notable giveaways of the vintage era, especially with the mixup between 4-LOM and Zuckuss.  Could Hasbro be trying to right that wrong?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 6, 2010, 03:33 AM
I don't think they'll try to sneak 4-LOM into this basic figure wave, but instead into one of the follow-up repack waves, if Hasbro's still doing that process.

I'm very much pleased w/ ALL of the figure choices - although I just might pass on Veers (Hell, I never asked for him). I'm SOO-O-O glad Luke's getting an update, cuz that TAC sculpt was just twisting my arm. Although I will say my eyes almost started bleeding when I saw he had no jointed ankles.

At this point, Hasbro's sculpting is so horridly amazing - each figure is now a miniature sculpture.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 6, 2010, 09:26 AM
Yeah, I kind of dig the vintage throwback paint job on the 4-Lom. The real question is, will they call him Zuckuss?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JesseVader08 on February 7, 2010, 01:44 AM
There may be another figure mailaway running around the same time as the Boba Fett.  But that one has not been identified yet.

A member at POTF2.com (http://www.potf2.com/potj/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15339) claims the vintage paint-app'd 4-LOM/Zuckuss is another exclusive.  I guess he has some inside info?  It'll be interesting to see how that pans out.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/Vintage4LOMZuckuss.jpg?t=1265525474)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: P-Siddy on February 7, 2010, 01:28 PM
So does this mean that Zuckuss (fka 4-LOM on vintage card) might have the full vinyl gown and snap-on gear?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 7, 2010, 02:49 PM
That would be nice, but I doubt it.  I ordered this from overseas - I assume this will be on the vintage card, so I'd like an opener.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Matt R. on February 8, 2010, 05:13 PM
my prediction (not including confirm luke, leia, dengar, at at cmdr)

Echo Base Han Solo
Rebel Deck Officer
Snowtrooper (VTAC repack)
4-Lom (TAC repack) w/ zuckuss name
Zuckuss (TLC repack) w/ 4-Lom name
C-3PO w/ removable limbs
Imperial TIE Pilot (TLC Evoutions repack) 
Lando Calrissian (VOTC repack) w/ new arms

I think Dack will end up in a BP  w/  the second version hoth trooper. This vintage collection has endless possibiliies like they could do

Yoda
TLC Snowspeeder Luke
TLC Obi-Wan w/ Spirit colors
Hoth Han Solo w/ hood up
TLC Medical Frigate Luke & Leia
Dack
Bespin Guard
Willrow Hood (I add a little humor)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on February 8, 2010, 05:27 PM
I am really digging this 4-Lom. I will definitely be ordering him along with the Felucian. I hope some more stuff pops up. I needs me a SW fix.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on February 13, 2010, 05:41 PM
Ooooh this wave is friggin' sweet.

Aside from the four we've seen, there's...
- Hoth Hangar Han w/welding gear (SWEET)
- New 3PO
- Dak
- 3pc helmet Vader (it's really 3pcs this time)
- Fett (redeco)
- 4-LOM (redeco)
- Cloud Car Pilot

11 figures in the wave is a great way to kick things off. :)

Jesse is working on downloading pics, hopefully the will go up soon...
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on February 13, 2010, 06:09 PM
The new 3P0 looks like he might be based on the droid factory figure. Either way i think I see elbow joints there! Pretty sweet looking stuff there, shame we didn't get a sneak peek at wave 2.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Diddly on February 13, 2010, 06:22 PM
Saw the pics on Yakface's Facebook page... Looks like a great wave. The only stinkers appear to be Han (reusing the crappy VTSC body from 2006) and Vader (tiny head/no neck). I can't wait to see better pics of the 3PO.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JediMoses on February 13, 2010, 06:40 PM
Wow - very impressed.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Brian on February 13, 2010, 08:15 PM
Me too, I really like this entire wave.  Surprised to see we're getting 11 new/redecoed figures all at once with this wave, but that will be nice.  Although I'd still rather see a new Bespin Han Solo (maybe next year), this Echo Base version is pretty spiffy and I'll be glad to pick it up (probably a couple).  It looks like the new 3PO has the elbow articulation now, which is nice, and the Dak and Vader look good too.  Glad to see others like Fett and 4-LOM get repackaged as well.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Brian on February 13, 2010, 08:42 PM
Just looking at some pics, looks like the 3PO will have some removable panels.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on February 13, 2010, 09:23 PM
Just looking at some pics, looks like the 3PO will have some removable panels.

Yep, Removable Chest and leg panels - a wierd choice for an ESB 3PO, but you can see how it'll be recycled for an AotC 3PO at some point.

I'd still rather see a new Bespin Han Solo (maybe next year),

They said "definitely" next year... but they've said that before I guess.  :-X
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 13, 2010, 09:32 PM
Overall, I am really impressed by the wave.  I love the cards (who doesn't) and I like the effort.  I'm very excited to see the rest of this line (but not at the idea of being poor, since I will be buying a carded set for the first time ever).
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: EpicGon on February 13, 2010, 10:43 PM
Itīs a challenge to Hasbro to present a decent sculpt of vader with his flesh neck. This figure looks interesting but I wanted they change a bit the Tlc Vader Evo, because the body is the same.

In the case of Hangar Han, a well done figure, but they could have improved the legs (not the same as votc trench coat Han, which look skinny)

The cloud car pilot is awesome, an unexpected variation to 2004 otc rendition.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 13, 2010, 11:50 PM
Just occured to me - I expected the Snowtrooper to be an obvious repack in this group.  Where's he?  We have an 11 figure wave out of a 12 figure case? 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JediMoses on February 14, 2010, 01:41 AM
Are there two cloud car pilots? The loose fig has no mustache, while the carded one and presentation shows a nice black one.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JesseVader08 on February 14, 2010, 01:43 AM
What an amazing wave of figures!  I'm really looking forward to August...
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 14, 2010, 09:08 AM
I'm excited. They handled the "new" figures well, but it's still kind of weird. Definitely pick up a carded set. 11 figures seems weird though. I'm sure we'll see a 12th. either that or they will be cases of 22.

Have to say that the At-At commander is looking a lot better, which I'm thankful for. Will pick up a few of him.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on February 14, 2010, 06:18 PM
Are there two cloud car pilots?

No.  The loose proto on display was simply missing the mustache paint ap.  The carded Cloud Car Pilot, which is production sample, had the mustache intact.  They said definitely not an intentional variant.

11 figures seems weird though. I'm sure we'll see a 12th. either that or they will be cases of 22.

No one there could remember the case pack off the top of their head, but it sounded like most likely either Vader or Luke will be doubled up (kid appeal).
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 15, 2010, 01:29 PM
Very, very impressed. This entire line is really something to look forward to. And I'm really loving the new C-3PO. We've asked for a SA one, and here he finally is.

I might pick up two Vaders - one loose, one carded. I already have the 2008 TLC version, but I want to see that new 3-piece helmet for myself.

And if Hasbro can crank out a SA 3PO, then they can most certainly make a SA R2-D2.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: John C on February 15, 2010, 05:39 PM
The only figure I don't care for is 3PO.  I want the others.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Nicklab on February 15, 2010, 10:46 PM
Are there two cloud car pilots?

No.  The loose proto on display was simply missing the mustache paint ap.  The carded Cloud Car Pilot, which is production sample, had the mustache intact.  They said definitely not an intentional variant.


Yup.  The loose one just didn't have any paint apps on the mustache.  But you can definitely see the sculpt of the mustache on the loose sample.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 16, 2010, 03:35 AM
Have to say that the At-At commander is looking a lot better, which I'm thankful for. Will pick up a few of him.

I have to say, by the end of the day he was one of my favorites I think.

The figure's got a lot going for it.  The vintage nod to a generic officer (even though th ecard pictured Veers and I think he had the higher ranking badge even) has yielded a nice army builder, and a figure to actually sort of upgrade our current Veers figures if we feel like it (I think I do).

He and Dak were two of my favorites tfrom the show though for certain.  Ultimately two really nice looking army builders.  Plus they even tossed us a bone by giving Dak a Rebel rifle...  Why's that matter?  It helps make those Hoth Rebels with the tri-pod cannon a bit more generic infantry.  I think that was intentional honestly, and I appreciated it a lot.  I still hold out some hope for the generic trooper to make some return to the line-up after his bp release. ;)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on February 16, 2010, 12:53 PM
The AT-AT Commander is sweet. I like the separate goggles as well.

What's the story again on that Vader. Isn't the one on display and on the card just a repack of TLC Vader (BD08) with 2 piece helmet and not a 3 piece helmet they've been touting for years now? If it is that TLC version, I hope they at least repaint the chest control box to have the proper blue button versus the green one of the ROTS and ANH armor.

That Echo Base Han is money but I'm not sure about that haircut he has been given - looks a bit short to me and the coat looks kind of long.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on February 16, 2010, 12:59 PM
Isn't the one on display and on the card just a repack of TLC Vader (BD08) with 2 piece helmet

Nope.  The loose was wrong (just like Fett and the CC Pilot).  He will be the 3-piece helmet one they intended last time (2008).

Last time, the manufacturer "helped" Hasbro save money by incorrectly molding 2 of the 3 pieces together.  They wanted a running change, but it never happened. 

This time, they said they were VERY specific during the manufacturing run, so they should definitely (barring another complete manufactuing CF) be the 3-piece helmet.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 16, 2010, 06:16 PM
On Han's coat, it seemed longer, to me anyway, when it was open.  I'm not so sure on the headsculpt either, but I liked the sort of tussled hair from the welding stuff and his hood I'm assuming.

I totally forgot on the Officer's goggles too.  He gets cooler and cooler.  I really hope that helmet/goggle set makes its way to a future AT-ST driver as well.  That'll be quite sweet.  A nice generic Imperial "Army Trooper". 

The LUke really grew on me...  Ankles were a nice surprise, and the ball-jointed hips are going to do well on that figure. 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on February 18, 2010, 10:25 AM

The LUke really grew on me...  Ankles were a nice surprise, and the ball-jointed hips are going to do well on that figure. 

awesome!  I didn't even realize until I read this post that he does indeed have ankles now - I went back and looked.  Aesome - he went from a "probably not" to a "definitely" right there!


On a different note - I have read both here and on other sites that people are interested in army building Dacks, I think I am missing the intent here.  is he that generic looking that he passes as  a non-specific pilot?  I guess it is just hard for me to take a figure with a somewhat significant name and roll and turn him into an army builder (plus I don't really army build).
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Keonobi on February 18, 2010, 10:39 AM
On a different note - I have read both here and on other sites that people are interested in army building Dacks, I think I am missing the intent here.  is he that generic looking that he passes as  a non-specific pilot?  I guess it is just hard for me to take a figure with a somewhat significant name and roll and turn him into an army builder (plus I don't really army build).

I think its because the figure has what looks to be a non-customized paint job on his helmet.  IIRC isn't that same white paint job with blue rebel symbols seen on a number of unnamed rebel pilots?  Basically with his helmet on he looks generic enough to be an army builder, even if we all know better. ;)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 18, 2010, 02:23 PM
On a different note - I have read both here and on other sites that people are interested in army building Dacks, I think I am missing the intent here.  is he that generic looking that he passes as  a non-specific pilot?  I guess it is just hard for me to take a figure with a somewhat significant name and roll and turn him into an army builder (plus I don't really army build).

I think its because the figure has what looks to be a non-customized paint job on his helmet.  IIRC isn't that same white paint job with blue rebel symbols seen on a number of unnamed rebel pilots?  Basically with his helmet on he looks generic enough to be an army builder, even if we all know better. ;)

Exactly. In all the shots of generic pilots in ANH (the prep and taking off sequence,) Dak's helmet was used.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 18, 2010, 02:53 PM
There's also a large number of pilots on Hoth with the blue-emblem "clean" helmet as well.  Dak is, essentially, the generic Rebel  Pilot for Hoth...  Now we just need the ANH versions without the bulkier flight suit and I'm down for 20 or so of those.  ;D
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 19, 2010, 12:55 PM
I'll just do one extra for one x-wing version. I've already got a nice number of unique pilots.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Muftak on February 22, 2010, 09:22 PM
I'll be in on parts of this wave...Dack for sure, my Hoth Rogue Squadron is getting nice and dense with a couple different sculpts which all ought to compliment each other very well.

Hoth Leia is very likely. Bespin Luke I will have to see in person to decide.

ATAT Commander will help me solve the dilemma of where to display Veers...he's on Hoth now but buying this new one would free him up for the Star Destroyer Bridge.

Cloud Car Pilot I am leaving entirely to fate. He is one of my absolute favorite Vintage figures, such an oddball, but I have a handful of the OTC version. Still, this is a different guy with a very 80s 'stache, so maybe...

Dengar, 4-LOM, Han, Vader, Boba, and (especially) 3P0 are all definite passes though. Nice to see a new ESB Han, though.

So a possible 5 figures out of 11...not bad. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 22, 2010, 09:50 PM
I love Dengar and I'm surprised so many don't...  He's super articulated, has a nice crisp sculpt...  Bounty Hunters you'd think everyone would want the "perfect" version of them.  They're not Senators afterall, but I guess if the last one's satisfactory more power to them then.  I'm happy I'll have one that doesn't have a tendancy to lean forward though, or at least I can pose him so it fixes the problem anyway.

I thought Hasbro's answer about Bespin Luke to us in our Q&A was interesting...  It makes me wonder how many more figures they have (besides the obvious) that they've done fairly recently but weren't quite pleased with.

THey don't often open up about "This could be better..." in their discussions.  Usually it's either bluffed that it's good already, or that they're content or whatnot.  I thought that Bespin Luke, aside from the likeness, was outstanding.  I was shocked we got another so soon...  It's great, and it's a major update with the hips and better likeness, but at the same time that last one really wasn't that bad.  I do tend to be a little forgiving on likenesses though too.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 22, 2010, 10:23 PM
I loved their QA answer - I always felt the same way about that Luke.  It was a miss.  I think it's great for them to take another crack at a figure that doesn't completely work - Luke - but then I also think they need to leave well enough alone in some cases (CC Pilot, Dengar).  Both are good figures as they are now, and didn't need upgrades.  The upgrades are fantastic, but unnecessary.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 22, 2010, 10:56 PM
Really?

Luke was a miss but Dengar and the CC Pilots are hits?

The CC Pilot lacks pretty much any arm articulation but the shoulder, Dengar lacked any leg articulation but the hips (and I know my Dengar is a little unsteady and wants to fall forward).  

Luke was off on the headsculpt, but the rest of the figure was a "miss" too, requiring a resculpt?

I like the updated Luke, don't get me wrong.  I'm really excited for the updated likeness but also the ball-jointed hips.  I just don't put him above Dengar or the CC Pilot either.  I can't say any of the 3 were high on my resculpt list either except maybe Dengar...  Again, a "bounty hunter", sort of action-oriented (though not on-screen obviously, but still it's a toy so the articulation is a help I think)...  

I kind of rate all 3 figures the same, and for Luke I'd have been totally happy had they just updated the headsculpt...  I'm ecstatic that they're going an extra step with the hips though.  It's definitely more about the odd character choices to me though, than anything.  Hasbro's going to these because they feel they're the most eye-catching way to give a wide/interesting collection of stuff for the core collector (myself included) I guess.

I love all 3 then ultimately, but I can't see how one can say, "That was good enough" on a figure that lacked much of any useful articulation for posing or simply standing properly (Dengar) when at the same time saying it's a great update to Bespin Luke who was super articulated already, and really just needed a likeness tweak and maybe a deco change to go up in just about everyone's books. :)  Different strokes for different folks I guess.  But don't get me wrong, I'm right with you on Luke too, I just guess I like Dengar and Cloud Car Pilot just as much even though they're secondary characters.

I'm more curious now to see if the resculpting trend stays true for a lot of the vintage line...  I'm betting it will a bit.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth Broem on February 23, 2010, 12:13 AM
I am one of those that likes as much articulation as possible.  Especially nowadays where we have to pay $8 a figure.  The Clone Wars figs were bugging me because they had limited articulation.  They are finally redoing some of those now.  Anyway, I am all for Dengar getting a redo.  I will admit that I was not clamoring for a new Luke Bespin or Cloud Car Pilot or even Dengar.  I was not surprised that Dengar was coming since they updated all the bounty hunters recently.  I think it was a good move.  Most people seem to collect the same 6 bounty hunters over and over again.  I thought maybe they would just release each one again this year.  I mean they already have Fett, Zuckuss, Dengar and 4LOM coming this year.  They might as well add Bossk and IG-88.  Well I guess Bossk is coming as a Legends figure?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 23, 2010, 09:32 AM
To me, the CC Pilot or Dengar didn't need to do anything but stand there; the sculpts were good enough for me (take the POTJ Tessek for example - they don't need to do another one as far as I'm concerned).  But Luke, while all around miles better than the previous versions, had a terrible likeness - which really was my main issue.  Bespin Luke isn't going to just stand there, so I love the added articulation and of course, the much improved head sculpt.  That's my funky point of view on it.   :)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on February 23, 2010, 10:11 AM
meh - I can't compare Tessek, a character that was serving as the Hutt's accountant, to a Bounty Hunter or any generic trooper/army builder type figure.  What more could anyone want of a figure like Tessek?  To sit down at a desk so he could get some work done for the big slug all the while plotting his demise?

I realize that he was just an example but to me any bounty hunter type figure should have the same articulation of Fett/Clone Troopers - it is just natural to bring Dengar up to par with the rest of his BH buddies.

like Jesse said though, to each his own.  The one thing I will say about the Dengar figure that I am not liking so much from what I have seen so far is the head sculpt.  I like the scowl/facial scar/sorisis look n the Saga figure.  I don't hate it - I just kinda like the other better.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 23, 2010, 10:37 AM
I'm fine with upgrading Dengar, but perfection is not something I look for in my action figures (he says as he complains about Luke's headsculpt).  One thing I've been thinking about lately, with all the discussion of nostalgia recently, is that I'm just that.  Nostalgic.  I love the art Hasbro makes of these things, but I think at some point they stop being toys.  An abundunce of articulation even starts to affect the aesthetic in some cases (the ridiculous torso joint on the Endor Han body for example) and I think I prefer appearance over ability.  I'm not posing the hell out of these things, so Dengar as he is today works for me, even if he can be so much better.  Oh, well.  Definitely to each his own.  I could care less if the AT AT is to scale - it's a toy.  I loved my toys as a kid.  I'm a man now, and they have to do even less for me.

That said, I would never give up my VOTC Chewbacca.   :)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: P-Siddy on February 23, 2010, 11:00 AM
With a better Bespin Luke coming up, when will we see a better version of Bespin Duel Luke? That will be on its way some day.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Brian on February 23, 2010, 12:03 PM
I'm with Jesse in that I'm pretty excited that we're getting a new Dengar as well.  The last one was pretty well done sculpt-wise, but I'm happy to get the articulation upgrade to go with the rest of the fantastic bounty hunters we've gotten so far.  I'm also pretty happy we're getting a new Bespin Luke.  I never would have thought that would happen, since we recently got that VTSC version, but I wasn't ever really happy with the headsculpt on that one either.  The rest of the figure was pretty great though, overall.

Jesse brings up an interesting point about "upgrades".  I think we obviously expected to see a number of POTF2 (or even POTJ) figures get that treatment over the next few years, but now it seems that more recent (and thought to be closer to perfect) offerings are up for grabs as well.  I'm wondering who else we might see get new figures, where the previous ones just had a quirk or two wrong with them.  I seem to remember Hasbro specifically mentioning the Evolutions ROTS Anakin needing an "upgrade" (primarily ball elbows), so part of me expects that sooner than later.  I for one enjoy the resculpts for the most part (a lot of my most wanted are POTF2 redos), and don't mind ones like Bespin Luke until they really get into re-doing things that are pretty much perfect already (the aforementioned VOTC Chewie being a good example of that).  Those types of figures could just be repacked to finish out cases (or in Saga Legends), while leaving other slots for new figures or more needed upgrades.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 23, 2010, 02:40 PM
Quote
I love the art Hasbro makes of these things, but I think at some point they stop being toys.  An abundunce of articulation even starts to affect the aesthetic in some cases (the ridiculous torso joint on the Endor Han body for example) and I think I prefer appearance over ability.

So you prefer "art" over "toys" then?  Or am I reading that wrong?

Articulation is part of what makes an action figure an action figure...  and a toy.  Articulation helps figures fit in vehicles with tighter compartments, it helps posing from action scenes to just standing on a shelf.  So wihle I don't feel every figure needs SUPER articulation, I do think a good example of the "minimums" from my point of view is the Death Star Trooper.

-shoulder joints (regular or ball-jointed)
-angle-cut (at least) elbows
-cut wrists
-regular hips
-ball-jointed knees
-a waist joint (And I agree, I think ball-jointed torsoes generally work on armored figures better than a torso with a shirt, though I think Jedi pull it off due to the layered look of their robes)
-a neck joint (the new ball-jointed necks are actually less money than the old style neck joints, go figure)

I don't always need ankles so long as the figure's ankles aren't sculpted in a "walking" pose like the Training Fatigues Clone.

However I do think the more rooted in action the figure is, the more likely articulation should be, and of course characters like gowned Padme's and Senators in big-assed robes aren't really subject to that minimum...  But Dengar does need the articulation since it's about the only thing able to make that character, who should be "action-oriented" since he's a bounty hunter, interesting.  Did Zuckuss need SA?  No, but it makes him more interesting as a bounty hunter I figure.  Same with 4-LOM, etc.

The CC Pilot I do view as an army builder...  I was ok with the OTC one too for the most part but I appreciate the upgrade for what he is, and he's gone from ok to great, plus we get the mini-stached version which is nice since the main prop had both head variants riding around in it.

Dengar though, he was really quite unposeable and both mine fall forward because they're sculpted in a sort of front-heavy fashion, and without any articulation he's difficult to correct that.  So I appreciate him as much as Luke...  He's bulky, ready for action (if you want him to hunt someone down, he can now! :) ), and so I'm pretty excited to actually buy him for once.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: ruiner on February 23, 2010, 03:13 PM
It's funny, but even the young kids (5-7 years) prefer the articulated figures.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 23, 2010, 08:13 PM
I know that was the case with mine till they moved into the realm of electronics over toys...  ROTS Obi's first figure got chucked aside and destroyed through melting/sawing him apart in favor of Pilot Obi-Wan.  And Anakin never won a battle after that either.  :)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on February 23, 2010, 08:45 PM
I actually prefer the toy over the art aspect (what I meant some of these things are works of art).

I'm glad people are getting their Dengar!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on February 23, 2010, 08:55 PM
Ah ok, I wasn't sure what you meant there.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on March 18, 2010, 02:23 AM
Jedi Insider (http://jediinsider.net/g/index.php?mode=view&album=Hasbro%2FQ%26A%2F031710&pic=Vader-with-3-pc-helmet.jpg&dispsize=600&start=0) has some nifty pics of the 3-piece helmet Vader... 

I think it looks pretty good - kind of neat to finally get that 3-piece helmet. :)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on March 18, 2010, 02:34 AM
That is indeed quite cool.  I don't mind having the 2-piece helmet, I think I may display it without the helmet on in an extra Luke's arms or something, but I like this for an "ultimate" Vader.

And boy am I glad I never bought a 2nd of the 2-piece Vader when that was out.  I almost did, for customizing, but that's gladly been avoided.  :-X
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JesseVader08 on March 19, 2010, 05:25 PM
When he has his helmet on, it looks a little strange.  Either his head is too small or his hands are too big?  I dunno.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on March 20, 2010, 02:08 AM
I would have liked to see a battle damaged look. A similar hand like the TAC tatto Anakin and some burn marks from Palps would have been cool. While a three piece helmet is interesting this Vader looks too much like Uncle Fester.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 20, 2010, 05:17 AM
Although it was all very fine and dandy for Hasbro to go outta their way to make the 3-piece helmet, it's indeed very strange looking. The 2-piece helmet was already nice enough.
First, we've NEVER seen Vader's entire uncovered face. So it's strange.
Second, although somewhat funny, can you imagine all those five-six year old kids who pop off the helmet pieces and say, "Golly Dad, is this Darth Vader?!"
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on April 24, 2010, 03:06 AM
A couple figures from Wave 1 have already surfaced...

Check out Da(c)k Ralter and AT-AT Commander!

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010TVC_DakLoose01_TN.jpg)(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010TVC_ATATCmdrLoose01_TN.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1272092409,32306,)
Clicky to check it out!

Something interesting...  The AT-AT Commander appers to have webbing inside his brain bucket there.  That's kind of neat. :)  I really like that figure a lot and hope to army build him a bit once he's out.  Same with Dack, who makes a great generic Snowspeeder pilot I'm hoping to stock up on.

And I reiterate that I really REALLY like that Dak sports the Rebel rifle as a pack-in.  Since I hope to nab a number of him, it'll be nice having extras of that weapon since I really dont' have many.  I just hope it's sturdy, as that one was hit and miss whether it was made with quality plastic or not.  Ironically the Saga Hoth Rebel's rifle is usually the only one that's made of stiffer plastic.  Who wants to buy that thing for just the weapon though, ya know?

It's neat seeing both without their helmets on too, I dig that.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: David on April 24, 2010, 11:51 AM
They both look very good! I'll definitely be picking up a few of the AT-AT Commanders.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on April 24, 2010, 02:00 PM
Yeah I liked the AT-AT Commander's use of parts a lot.  Very good looking with what I assume are the Sunber legs there.  I wish he had a more generic belt and a hat, because that would be one great generic Imp Officer at that point.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on April 24, 2010, 02:40 PM
I am extremely impressed w/ the sculpts... they are very clean and defined, and the sculpting/quality of action figures these days is very impressive.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on April 24, 2010, 03:00 PM
I'd agree...

This is something I'm noticing more and more, but sculpting sharpness and detail is improving, and it was something I wasn't sure could go a step further.  My immediate impression is comparing it with Snowspeeder Luke.  His likeness, the outfit, and almost every detail is a little crisper than other figures.  Compared to SS Luke, the Dak figure's body isn't quite as sharp.  It's small in difference, but it's there.

The headsculpts though, they're very crisp and similar.  The AT-AT Commander's Jagdpur pants from Tank are really a good example of that sharper sculpting though.  Very crisp, lots of detail and folding.  Far superior to most any other Imperial figure's pants...  it's not the newest sculpt either, but it's that trend towards a more crisp realistic look I think.

Sculpting's such a fine art I've always given leeway to Hasbro on that, especially on anything mass produced.  Human likenesses especially.  I'm impressed that it seems some figures are going a step further though, in terms of detailing. 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 24, 2010, 03:42 PM
These both look great. The At-At commander is really growing on me. I'll pick up a few for sure, but I'd pick up more if the belt was removable.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on April 25, 2010, 01:15 AM
Yeah the belt bugs me.  I figure this is what officers would wear in a typical combat situation though (and "Army Regulars" would sport the helmet/armor as well), so from that perspective they're pretty cool.  A great army builder outside the AT-AT I figure.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Diddly on April 25, 2010, 06:38 PM
Great pics... Dack reuses the Evolutions Snowspeeder Pilot body it looks like. AT-AT Commander came out much better than I thought it would. I might get a few of them, and one to perform a headswap with the Veers from a few years back.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on April 25, 2010, 06:59 PM
Yup, which I'm glad they went with the Evo sculpt since it's a normal height and Luke is not...  Dak, I've always assumed, was just the average joe rebel pilot, so I like that he got an average joe height figure as his base.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on April 27, 2010, 05:17 AM
I have to admit, based on what we saw at Toy Fair, I wasn't planning on picking up the AT-AT Commander, but the change in legs has made a big difference to the figure. I'm going to have to get one.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Scott on May 1, 2010, 08:19 AM
Stuff went up for preorder last night at midnight...got a case on Preorder at BBTS but there are a few singles that are already sold out.  Not sure if production is going to be limited or the e-tailers are being cautious with these...same goes for all of the new Clone Wars figs (Pre, Mando etc)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on May 1, 2010, 10:01 AM
Curiously, Dak doesn't seem to be in the cases listed at EE or BBTS.  I assume he's coming in a later revision.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Matt R. on May 1, 2010, 12:01 PM
I preorder a case with Dak in it, he just not pictured. it is the one with just 1x Boba Fett
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on May 1, 2010, 12:24 PM
Curiously, Dak doesn't seem to be in the cases listed at EE or BBTS.  I assume he's coming in a later revision.

yeah what Matt above me said - BBTS says that Dak is not shown in a picture - but he is in the case.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on May 1, 2010, 01:00 PM
I think that ordering cases online with the TVC would be much simpler than it was when ordering LC cases - people can now order the figures they want without having to get a particular case with 3+ figures they already have just to complete a droid figure. It makes things easier, and saves lots of money.

And I didn't know where to put this... so I'll put it here (http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3631962). What is this doing at Toys R Us?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 5, 2010, 07:41 PM
New pics of 4-LOM and Dengar on the front page...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_Dengar4LOMLoose01_TN.jpg) (http://www.JediDefender.com)
Clicky!

I don't know if 4-LOM looks THAT different to me than the 30AC figure, but Dengar's a great improvement over the previous figure.  Loads of articulation, equal or better in detail to the previous figure (including Dengar's sidearm holster).  The MG he sports looks improved/detailed as well.

Can't wait to pick him up, and if 4-LOM's paintjob is significantly better, I'll nab him as well, otherwise I'll easily pass.

The other thing that could get me to nab 4-LOM is most of my 30AC ones I got have lopsided legs.  One shorter than the other, so if this fixes that, I would gladly re-buy it.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on May 5, 2010, 08:46 PM
Dengar looks sweet. I didn't ever realize the he was equipped with a holster in ESB so that is another cool detail to have. 4-LOM does look to be a straight TAC repack - I'm far more interested in the exclusive version.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 5, 2010, 10:44 PM
Yeah I'm not even 100% sure he has it in ESB, but his right hip's hard to see.  I think I've noticed it more in his ROTJ stills though, and actually his old miniature from West End Games picked up on it even, so that tiny and pretty vintage figure at this point actually had that little detail.  Really those minis caught some of the finest details on costumes and things, that really a lot of people never seemed to notice.  No clue why that is though.

WEG seemed to really have all-access to any/all imagery in the LFL vaults though.  It's still home to some obscure stuff.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on May 6, 2010, 02:44 PM
That Denger really looks amazing. His head looks like it's molded in two parts face/wraps to capture the look. It would be really cool if the wraps can off to see a gnarly Looney Toon style hairy lumpy head underneath.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on May 6, 2010, 11:04 PM
That Denger really looks amazing. His head looks like it's molded in two parts face/wraps to capture the look. It would be really cool if the wraps can off to see a gnarly Looney Toon style hairy lumpy head underneath.

Eeew! Haha I really hope not! That Darth Vader w/ 3-piece helmet is already enough!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on May 7, 2010, 08:42 AM
Okay, so whats the opinion that people are having on that new 3 piece Vader?  Is it worth it to have him over the 2 piece version? 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on May 7, 2010, 10:37 AM
Okay, so whats the opinion that people are having on that new 3 piece Vader?  Is it worth it to have him over the 2 piece version? 

I'm all for it. It's something that Hasbro has been "selling" us for a while so it'll be nice to finally get it.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 7, 2010, 03:03 PM
As long as it fits right, I figure it's the closest "ultimate" Vader that will be out there.  I'm going to migrate my 2-piece Vader to a DSDuel Luke holding him as he dies, and the 3-piecer (again, so long as the helmet fits/looks right) to the regular Imperial display shelf.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on May 7, 2010, 05:45 PM
Okay, so whats the opinion that people are having on that new 3 piece Vader?  Is it worth it to have him over the 2 piece version? 

I consider the last two part helmet one and the TAC #16 Vader the ultimates. He never took off the whole helmet like this one. I do not get it and this one seems to be a waste. I would have preferred an updated Dagobah Ghost version than this Uncle Fester. I hope they updated his belt to hold a saber like the Luke Bespin. If they added that then I will be somewhat motivated for him. Right now I am more into the package than the figure itself.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on May 7, 2010, 09:38 PM
I consider the last two part helmet one and the TAC #16 Vader the ultimates. He never took off the whole helmet like this one. I do not get it and this one seems to be a waste. I would have preferred an updated Dagobah Ghost version than this Uncle Fester. I hope they updated his belt to hold a saber like the Luke Bespin. If they added that then I will be somewhat motivated for him. Right now I am more into the package than the figure itself.

JACKOFTRADZE pretty much summed up my ideas. We've never seen Vader w/out his entire helmet, and, to me, the head sculpt is just plain freaky. I'd actually rather get Vader w/ ball-jointed wrists.

A Dagobah Vader wouldn't be so bad, either.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: P-Siddy on May 8, 2010, 04:30 PM
I think the reason for the 3-piece (despite not seeing it in movies) is that it's assumed. Especially in Sith as Vader gets transformed into the mechanical beast he becomes. I wondered how they got the collar about his neck in that scene. But this is the ESB wave, not RotS.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on May 10, 2010, 05:19 AM
I just saw some pictures of this wave over at sandtroopers and I'm a little underwhelmed with some of them. That C3-P0 looks a little dodgey and I'm not sure about that Hip area on Luke, it looks pretty wide. I'm hoping it's just the pictures and they'll look better in hand.

Dengar and Leia still look good though.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on May 10, 2010, 10:13 AM
I'd actually rather get Vader w/ ball-jointed wrists.

That would be a cool upgrade! It appears it's not happening this time around but maybe the 100th Vader figure will get it.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on May 10, 2010, 11:09 AM
does anyone have link or can post a picture of this new Vader with all 3 helmet pieces off?  thanks in advance.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on May 10, 2010, 11:24 AM
I'm not sure about that Hip area on Luke, it looks pretty wide. I'm hoping it's just the pictures and they'll look better in hand.

after veiwing the pictures I agree it appears that way. I am not a huge fan of ball jointed hips on SW figures. The ROTS Obi-wan became Frumpy-Wan Kenobi. This figure looks great but the pelvis looks a bit diapery. I hope it's better in hand as your hope suggests.

The C-3P0 looks like a disaster. He is one character that is doomed on vintage style card backs.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 10, 2010, 09:24 PM

I received dak and atat cmdr today in the mail. 

dak...  He's cool and uses the evo snowspeeder sculpt as predicted.  The hoth rifle he has is actually new.  He's a good generic hoth pilot so I like him as much as I thought I would for army building.

the atat cmdr is a weird one.  His grey is light but not bad.  The helmet is new and super detailed even with padding inside.  The holster is the best for an imp yet I think.  The armor is everything I wanted and didn't get with veers.  The really odd thing to me is how the goggles are made less to fit the helmet and more to fit snug on the figures head.  Its real tough to get them on the helmet at all.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on May 10, 2010, 09:31 PM
So the googles are meant to be worn on the head and then under the helmet versus on top?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on May 10, 2010, 09:52 PM
after veiwing the pictures I agree it appears that way. I am not a huge fan of ball jointed hips on SW figures. The ROTS Obi-wan became Frumpy-Wan Kenobi. This figure looks great but the pelvis looks a bit diapery. I hope it's better in hand as your hope suggests.

The C-3P0 looks like a disaster. He is one character that is doomed on vintage style card backs.

I don't mean to pick on you at all, but, firstly, for C-3PO, collectors have always whined how we want a SA C-3PO. Now Hasbro has said that if they do this, then they can't use the shiny-looking armor, because it's a particular type of plastic/whatever that can't be easily conjoined in numerous places with ball joints.

And as for the Luke, well, chances might be good that the joints will be fixed. Look at the 2009 TCW ARF clone trooper. Initial pictures showed the figure with extremely wide hip joints, but Hasbro fixed this so that the final product's joints were normal.   
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on May 10, 2010, 10:05 PM
I don't mean to pick on you at all, but, firstly, for C-3PO, collectors have always whined how we want a SA C-3PO. Now Hasbro has said that if they do this, then they can't use the shiny-looking armor, because it's a particular type of plastic/whatever that can't be easily conjoined in numerous places with ball joints.

All Hasbro would have had to do is issue the U-3PO B.A.D. painted gold (not vac-metalized) and include a net for Chewie to haul his broken ass around in. Instead we get a chubby version of 3PO that tries too hard to incorporate removable panels.  :-\
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on May 10, 2010, 10:11 PM
All Hasbro would have had to do is issue the U-3PO B.A.D. painted gold (not vac-metalized) and include a net for Chewie to haul is broken ass around in. Instead we get a chubby version of 3PO that tries too hard to incorporate removable panels.  :-\

I'm sure Hasbro will eventually *cough* repaint U-3PO. It's not like we're always bothering them about it. ;)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 10, 2010, 11:12 PM
jay I'm on my phone here so bear with my typing.

The goggles can fit atop the helmet but I feel they were really not intended to go there.  It took work streching them over the helmet.  I cannot get them down over the face either if over th helmet.  They fit perfect on the characrrs head tho without the helmet at all.  But the. Helmet does NOT fit over it properly that way.

My nly possible fix I can think of is hot water n stretching the goggles out some.  They're definitely not made to pose over the helmet tho.  The best. I could do was the goggles up on the brow of the helmet.  :(
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 13, 2010, 01:54 AM
Another interesting thing about the AT-AT Commander...  His rank on his chest and on his armor don't match...  His armor indicates a rank of Captain (3 red, 3 blue) ala Needa, but his rank rank on his tunic is 2 bars on top and 2 on bottom, which I'm not even positive what rank that is (Lt.?), but it's definitely a lower rank...  Again my figure does not have any deco on the rank under the armor too, which clouds that even further.

For the curious as well, this figure has some "EU" representation as well...  In the Incredible Cross Sections, there is a cut-away of an AT-AT, and each deck has so many troopers and an officer commanding them in the battle armor Veers wears, and I believe they all sport the 3/3 rank this figure has on his armor...  I don't have my book handy to check though, but this figure fits that artwork pretty well I think, even though he has no film counterpart.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 13, 2010, 02:52 AM
Hoth Leia Image...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_ESBWaveHothLeiaLoose01_TN.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com)
Clicky to check her out!

Hmmm...  She looks a bit muckier than all the prototype images showed, so that's interesting.  That's bound to annoy some.  It doesn't bother me too much but I may clean her up a little too, as that seems excessive to me.

Overall this figure looks fantastic to me though.  I love the sculpt on her.  As far as I'm concerned, Hoth Leia's done now.  A re-use for a Bespin Escape Leia would be great, with a new headsculpt of course.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: jono on May 13, 2010, 04:36 AM
Wasn't her outfit quite grimey on echo base?

I thought it was cleaned up for Bespin?

The figure itself is top quality. A definite grab.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on May 13, 2010, 07:30 AM
Hoth Leia Image...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_ESBWaveHothLeiaLoose01_TN.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com)
Clicky to check her out!

Hmmm...  She looks a bit muckier than all the prototype images showed, so that's interesting.  That's bound to annoy some.  It doesn't bother me too much but I may clean her up a little too, as that seems excessive to me.

Overall this figure looks fantastic to me though.  I love the sculpt on her.  As far as I'm concerned, Hoth Leia's done now.  A re-use for a Bespin Escape Leia would be great, with a new headsculpt of course.

And lower legs, of course.  ;)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth Broem on May 13, 2010, 12:37 PM
Don't we all like women who are a bit dirty.  Eh, sorry lame.  I liked the cleaner version myself but I will style buy this one.  To good to pass up!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 13, 2010, 03:33 PM
Whoops, yeah you're right Jayson...  Lower legs with pants over boots is a necessity as well with Bespin Escape Leia...  New head, new lower legs and flesh hands.  Should wrap that up.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 13, 2010, 04:00 PM
Today we've got a nice collection of 4 figures from Wave 1, carded...  This seems to answer whether the holes will be punched or not, as these are final production items. 

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_ESBWaveBobaFettCarded01_TN.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_ESBWaveHothLeiaCarded01_TN.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_ESBWaveATATCmdrCarded01_TN.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_ESBWave4LOMCarded01_TN.jpg) (http://www.JediDefender.com)
Clicky to check them out!

It's going to be really fun looking at those cardbacks hanging on the pegs this year...  I mean, look how colorful they turn out because of the pictures and things?  How could you hate that? 

Leia doesn't look quite as dark as the loose sample I posted last night, which leaves me some hope that she's not quite so dirty, or that there may be varying degrees of her wash, which is entirely possible.  It'd make for two figures I'd buy, as she's a little more grimey on the Falcon, actually, than she is on Hoth.

4-LOM doesn't look terribly different from his 30AC counterpart to me, but maybe I'm just not looking close enough?  ???
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on May 13, 2010, 04:06 PM
So does the AT-AT Commander have a huge crank, or is that where they decided to pack those googles?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 13, 2010, 04:15 PM
I'm not sure if it isn't both...  goggles for his huge crank.

It's very weird, but if they had as much trouble getting the goggles on the helmet as I did, I'm not surprised they just tucked them in his taint like that.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Mikey D on May 14, 2010, 07:31 AM
After almost 3 years away, these figures just might get me back into 3-ū" collecting...
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on May 14, 2010, 02:27 PM
After almost 3 years away, these figures just might get me back into 3-ū" collecting...

Welcome back man! You have been missed!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: ruiner on May 14, 2010, 03:35 PM
Yeah, that makes two of us.

Damn vintage cards always win.  Plus the mailaway Fett is killer.

Too bad the waves following this one suck.  Nobody wants prequel **** on vintage cards.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 14, 2010, 03:37 PM

Too bad the waves following this one suck.  Nobody wants prequel **** on vintage cards.

Speak for yourself. I'm all for it. If they are going to make prequel toys it might as well be on cool cards.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth Broem on May 14, 2010, 05:44 PM
Yep, I want them on prequel cards to.  Much better than the genericy looking junk that is out there now. 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on May 15, 2010, 02:40 AM
This is interesting, at least to me...

The Tale of Two Leia Paintjobs...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_ESBWaveHothLeiaLoose01_TN.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_LeiaHothLoose02_TN.jpg) (http://www.JediDefender.com)
Clicky to check it out!

So both Leia Hoth figures are pretty distinctly different in their decoration...  One's very clean, one is not.  We got some carded samples of Wave 1 figures last week, and one of them was Hoth Leia as well.  (http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010Vin_ESBWaveHothLeiaCarded01_TN.jpg)  And it appears she is the clean version, and the version we're pretty sure will be out on shelves, but the dirty figure is something of a mystery.

Factory Flub?

Battlepack repack/repaint?

Possible hand-painted hardcopy (THe paintjob does look particularly "sharp" to me, which is odd on many actual production figures)?

I found it interesting that both turned up at about the same time, and am curious if we're only getting the one version.  I don't recall Leia being that dirty in the movie, ever, but I guess it's possible.  I can't really recall how she looked upon arriving at Bespin.  The simple explanation is she's just a factory error which I'm sure is more common with things like paint washes, but you never know.  Either way I'm much happier seeing the basic figure SHOULD be clean, as she wasn't a sewage authority worker for the Alliance.  :-X
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: 501ST on May 15, 2010, 05:26 AM
I don't recall Leia being that dirty in the movie, ever, but I guess it's possible. 

ESB dialogue on the Millenium Falcon -


Leia: "Stop that..."

Han: "Stop what?"

Leia: "My hands are dirty"

Han: "Well my hands are dirty too"



 >:D
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 15, 2010, 02:25 PM
I'll not be picking up the prequel sets carded. I consider them an abomination.  :-X
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on May 16, 2010, 02:17 PM
Dirty paintjob or not, this is one of my most-wanted main character resculpts, so I'm glad it's coming.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on June 17, 2010, 09:31 AM
I received my Dak and 3 At-At commanders from one of the over seas sellers. Both very nice. I'm really digging the At-At commander, a reversal from my early initial impression, and will be buying several more when he officially comes out. The ones I received didn't have painted rank insignia's on the tunic, but that's okay since these will be customized.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on June 22, 2010, 10:30 AM
I saw (via Yak's FB) that some guy in CA found these in the backroom of a local toy shop.

Don't know if they were asian imports or how/why the store had them, but it looks like the case has a "don't sell these before 8/6" type warning on them.  ::)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on June 22, 2010, 03:34 PM
Kind of interesting they've put a street date on toys that have no real reason to have one...  There's no media release to coincide...  Just simply wanting to be dickish about putting them out to buy I guess.  Very odd.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on June 22, 2010, 03:37 PM
Maybe Hasbro is just trying to make sure the scalpers will make a TON of money selling them early at SDCC?  :P
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 22, 2010, 03:42 PM
I think most street dates like these are for the retailers sake. Makes Target and Wal Mart have to wait until the same time so one doesn't get a jump on the other store.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: CHEWIE on June 22, 2010, 03:46 PM
I truly detest street dates.  Especially when some stores put stuff out early, and then won't sell it.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on June 22, 2010, 04:04 PM
I think most street dates like these are for the retailers sake. Makes Target and Wal Mart have to wait until the same time so one doesn't get a jump on the other store.

If only Walmart gave a damn about stocking their shelves.  ;D
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: iFett on June 22, 2010, 04:23 PM
So outside of the movie lines and the Legacy EU wave - have there been street dates for the regular line in a non-movie year?  I don't really recall, but it's frustrating to know that someone in the US already scored the first wave. 

Seems like the race should be on, but that's not happening yet.   :(
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Keonobi on June 22, 2010, 04:33 PM
The Legacy collection with the stormtrooper head card had a first day of issue sticker.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Diddly on June 22, 2010, 06:46 PM
So all of my local pegs are either empty or near empty... does this mean they won't be stocking ANYTHING until August? Pretty lame if so.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Scott on June 23, 2010, 05:35 PM
All of these are up for preoder on Hasbrotoyshop
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on June 25, 2010, 08:58 AM
Looks like these have hit Toys R Us here in the UK, with a little luck I'll get my mitts on some of them tonight after work.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on June 25, 2010, 09:01 AM
Looks like these have hit Toys R Us here in the UK, with a little luck I'll get my mitts on some of them tonight after work.

I saw the photos this morning. How can you even work knowing that stuff is out on the shelves? I would be going batsh*t crazy thinking about that all day.

I'm going to be a complete wreck by the time we get to August.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: iFett on June 25, 2010, 09:37 AM
I saw the photos this morning. How can you even work knowing that stuff is out on the shelves? I would be going batsh*t crazy thinking about that all day.

I'm going to be a complete wreck by the time we get to August.

No offense or anything, but do you go to counseling for collecting SW stuff?  You seem awfully high strung here at JD.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 25, 2010, 09:41 AM
I saw the photos this morning. How can you even work knowing that stuff is out on the shelves? I would be going batsh*t crazy thinking about that all day.

I'm going to be a complete wreck by the time we get to August.

No offense or anything, but do you go to counseling for collecting SW stuff?  You seem awfully high strung here at JD.

I'll stick up for you McMetal. I used to be that way too. The last year or so I've gotten used to being behind on stuff and it isn't so bad, but before then I would freak out knowing the stuff was in stores and i couldn't go right out to get it.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on June 25, 2010, 10:16 AM
I have to admit, I'm definitely heading for the guano state of mind Mcmetal.

The thing that's driving me nuts is wondering what's going to be left by the time I get there. This wave is full of big names that parents recognize.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: P-Siddy on June 25, 2010, 10:22 AM
So the release date's only for the US?  ;)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Pete_Fett on June 25, 2010, 10:29 AM
So the release date's only for the US?  ;)

I'm not sure there even IS a release date.

I just got notified that the first wave of $25 vehicles has arrived at EE and they are in-stock (looks like they pre-sold out the snowspeeder though) at this very moment.

There's nothing on the site that indicates that they aren't shipping until August or anything like that.

I will totally NOT be surprised if the new stuff starts to hit in the next week or two. There has to be a reason why Target cleared the pegs recently, I can't imagine that they wouldn't just want to leave whatever product they had up until close to the time of peg tag reset.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on June 25, 2010, 11:20 AM
No offense or anything, but do you go to counseling for collecting SW stuff?  You seem awfully high strung here at JD.

Why do you feel the need to call me out bro? Just put me on "Ignore" if you find my personality tiresome. Life is too short for you to be worrying about what goes on inside my head.

I just love toys. I am excited for the relaunch. Anything I collect, I collect with passion.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on June 25, 2010, 11:31 AM
I'm not sure there even IS a release date.

So far, the only thing that has been shown 100% positively to have a "street date" is the Vintage Collection basic figures.  Here's the Picture of "DO NOT PUT ON SHELF before the week of August 6, 2010" (http://www.yakface.com/2010/june/donot.html) printed on the Vintage Wave 1 case.

There has been no concrete evidence to indicate the rest of the new stuff (like all the stuff in the new blue/black CW packaging) has the same restrictions.  Like you said, the new ships are in-stock at EE (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS94806&id=HA-807301583) so either they are breaking the date or there isn't one for the "Shadow of the Dark Side" packaging stuff.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: CHEWIE on June 25, 2010, 01:08 PM
You know, I'd be perfectly fine if the "Shadows" stuff comes out in the next couple weeks and they hold back on the vintage stuff until August.  Fine by me.  It spreads things out a little easier in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Pete_Fett on June 25, 2010, 01:25 PM
So far, the only thing that has been shown 100% positively to have a "street date" is the Vintage Collection basic figures.  Here's the Picture of "DO NOT PUT ON SHELF before the week of August 6, 2010" (http://www.yakface.com/2010/june/donot.html) printed on the Vintage Wave 1 case.

So how come stores in the UK has them on the shelves already? Is that sticker only being put on cases that ship to US stores?  >:(

There has been no concrete evidence to indicate the rest of the new stuff (like all the stuff in the new blue/black CW packaging) has the same restrictions.  Like you said, the new ships are in-stock at EE (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS94806&id=HA-807301583) so either they are breaking the date or there isn't one for the "Shadow of the Dark Side" packaging stuff.

I'm thinking that there isn't any restriction on that stuff - 'cause I don't think EE would risk being sanctioned by Hasbro just so they could sell the vehicles early.

Also, Target is probably going to be pretty heavy into the Clone Wars and Legends lines with only a minimal presence of the Vintage collection, so I could still totally see them clearing the old stuff out in June 'cause they know new stuff is coming in July.

I'll be totally stoked if I can start to pick up stuff and a reasonable pace as opposed to one big launch push.


No offense or anything, but do you go to counseling for collecting SW stuff?  You seem awfully high strung here at JD.

Why do you feel the need to call me out bro? Just put me on "Ignore" if you find my personality tiresome. Life is too short for you to be worrying about what goes on inside my head.

I just love toys. I am excited for the relaunch. Anything I collect, I collect with passion.

I'm with ya McMetal - the break's been too long and there are some pieces coming for the Clone Wars line that I'm VERY excited to get - Aurra Sing, Pre Vizla, Kul Teska, Cad Bane w/Pirate Bike, Mando w/Speederbike and that Jabba the Hutt set at WM are all on my "I want them yesterday" list.  ;D
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: speedermike on June 25, 2010, 01:30 PM
I would love to get everything at once.  It saves on gas!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: P-Siddy on June 25, 2010, 02:28 PM
Actually, after just coming back from a Target, I can see the reason for the street date. Half an aisle (!) is crammed with Toy Story 3 stuff and SW has one little row for basic figs. Hasbro's waiting for that and Prince of Perisa stuff to dwindle down or clearance first
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on June 26, 2010, 08:08 PM
Great news!

TRU.com has this whole wave in stock NOW and available for immediate shipping! ($9.99 a pop)

They also have the Snowspeeder and Bespin Cloud Car, also in stock as of this writing.

I just placed an order myself, I just couldn't hold out any longer.  ;D

WOOT!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on June 27, 2010, 12:30 AM
Oh, SNAP! ;D
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on June 27, 2010, 11:43 AM
I went to get these with the sale today and all are gone except 3-PO and Vader.  Oh, well.  I can wait a while longer.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 27, 2010, 12:35 PM
I've been so annoyed with Hasbro Star Wars distribution for the last half a year, I don't even care when I get these.

It's quite a task getting me to lose interest, but Hasbro managed to pull it off.

I see these in stock at tru.com, and I'm not even ordering them, for absolutely no other reason than lack of motivation.

Yet.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on June 27, 2010, 01:12 PM
Cool deal! I was gonna hit TRu in a while anyway to get a giftcard for a birthday I'm taking my son to this afternoon. I'll reply later if my TRU had anything.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on June 27, 2010, 03:35 PM
Most impressive. I like how Vader's helmet isn't weird-looking in order to support the 3 helmet pieces... the TLC 2008 release had a somewhat enlongated dome.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: iFett on June 27, 2010, 04:59 PM
I've been so annoyed with Hasbro Star Wars distribution for the last half a year, I don't even care when I get these.

Same here.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: speedermike on June 27, 2010, 10:30 PM
These will be out in full force soon enough.  Every launch assortment has been stupid easy to find.  I'm relaxing and will find them when I find them.  I'm more interested in the new CW figs, and the new OT ships. 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on June 28, 2010, 04:17 AM
Picked up six of this wave, a cloud car and a snowspeeder. Really impressed with all of them.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: CorranHorn on June 28, 2010, 12:36 PM
For anyone outside of the US who is already able to buy these at retail, can you give a description or image of the backside of the card? I don't believe Hasbro released a photo of the backside and I'm curious to see what they did. I'm hoping it's someone stylized like the old vintage cards.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on June 28, 2010, 12:38 PM
For anyone outside of the US who is already able to buy these at retail, can you give a description or image of the backside of the card? I don't believe Hasbro released a photo of the backside and I'm curious to see what they did. I'm hoping it's someone stylized like the old vintage cards.

They are identical in design to the previous VOTC/VTSC cards.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on June 28, 2010, 12:39 PM
I don't believe Hasbro released a photo of the backside and I'm curious to see what they did. I'm hoping it's someone stylized like the old vintage cards.

Quite a few of the sites got pics of cardbacks during Toy Fair - they are a lot like the vOTC/vTSC cards...
example:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/Toy_Fair_2010/Hasbro_Star_Wars/ToyFair_2010_119.JPG)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on June 28, 2010, 12:41 PM
It's a nice, clean presentation, but I would have hoped that, like the vintage cards, they showcased off a chunk of the collection - but being that this is Wave 1, it makes sense. I'm surprised they're not including character descriptions anymore.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on June 28, 2010, 12:44 PM
It'll be interesting to see what they use for the large inset photo for figures that were never on the Vintage Kenner cards.

Scratch that, they just advertise it as "First Issue Vintage *insert name* Card".
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: P-Siddy on June 28, 2010, 01:14 PM
So Vader and Hoth Leia have 'promo' bursts on their cards?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: iFett on June 28, 2010, 01:26 PM
Quite a few of the sites got pics of cardbacks during Toy Fair - they are a lot like the vOTC/vTSC cards...

Did any of you guys ask why they didn't want to go down the vinty route for the cardbacks?  They did it for GI Joe did it and they looked fantabulous!   :)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on June 28, 2010, 01:39 PM
So Vader and Hoth Leia have 'promo' bursts on their cards?

No, those are the original vintage cards.  The new Vintage Collection versions do not have those vintage Kenner starburst promos...  but they will have a removable starburst promo sticker for the mail-away Fett.


Did any of you guys ask why they didn't want to go down the vinty route for the cardbacks?

Basically, they couldn't decide the best way to do it.

Do they use the 12-back card to start and expand as they release more?  Or do they jump to right to ESB's cardback style since these are ESB cards?  If so, what do you use to represent ones they haven't done yet?  And what do you do with the RotS/AotC cardbacks since they don't have a vintage template.  And what happens when they start releasing stuff in mixed waves, would each figure have a differnt cardback in each wave... etc.

In the end, they decided to just avoid the headache and be consistent with the vOTC/vTSC stuff.  That way, everything can do the same style and the old vOTC/vTSC stuff mixes in nicely.  The new stuff is an homage and not a total re-do and maintains it's own ID.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Greg on June 29, 2010, 02:04 PM
Banthaskull.com has a really nice gallery (http://www.banthaskull.com/index.php/vc/basic/) of all of the Wave 1 figures. While I was initially planning to pick and choose figures from this series, I might have to buy the entire first wave. Dengar, Dak, and the AT-AT commander look like stellar figures, and I cannot wait to round out my ESB bounty hunters with the new Dengar. Even though I'm saving some money, I am really kicking myself for not ordering these figures from TRU.com over the weekend.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on June 29, 2010, 10:46 PM
Experiences may vary: (http://www.yakfaceforums.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=129&p=86141#p86141)
Quote
Got what I wanted from this wave at TRU today, called them up with the item number and they said they had em. Drove down there and had them search the stock room for me only to come back 20 min. later empty handed. I told them about the packaging switch over and that there was a release date and one of them remembered seeing that and went back in and found them along with a Saga Legends case and CW reversion case. Got Dengar, AT-AT Commander, C-3PO, & Cloud Car Pilot. But heres the twist, they are priced at $9.99 but they Buy one Get one Half off sale took it back down to normal retail price for the four.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on June 30, 2010, 12:22 AM
There's a report by Adam over at Galactichunter.com that they were found at Toys R Us for sale - looks like it depends on how lucky you are.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on June 30, 2010, 12:55 AM
I just got shipment 1 from TRU.com shipped to my door super fast (and super free) today! WOW!!! If this is the level of the line they definitely raised the bar!

- Luke Bespin is really awesome! (Head fits perfectly on the Snowspeeder body! They even retooled his saber and hilt!)
- Leia is awesome!
- C-3PO is really awesome! (I liked him much more than I thought I would!)
- Dengar is awesome!
- Dak is awesome! He comes with two newly tooled weapons!
- AT-AT commander is great! (he loses points because his outfit s a light gray & does not match Needa)
- CC Pilot is great! (He has a Mustache.)
- Han is nice! (Hair is off but looks like Ford. His Coat is a really dark brown & does not match the previous Hoth versions. Still decent.)
Darth Vader is atrocious! He is a step down from the Legacy 2 part Helmet version. The only worthwhile upgrade is more paint detail on the face mask. Less gloss on him and slapped together. Both ones I received were manufactured poorly.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TANU1UtGTjQ/TCrK-gJigRI/AAAAAAAAAk8/fN9b2WCMoJQ/s400/vint+1.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TANU1UtGTjQ/TCrLA__8jCI/AAAAAAAAAlE/j0wXXQks1z0/s400/vint+4.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TANU1UtGTjQ/TCrLH7MdLhI/AAAAAAAAAlc/c9A1F8xRrnI/s400/vint+2.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TANU1UtGTjQ/TCrLDHxAsdI/AAAAAAAAAlU/yI7cBfGpLvk/s400/vint+3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on June 30, 2010, 01:39 AM
@JACKOFTRADEZ: Do u think u can post pictures of Vader's head/helmet area, by any chance? I'm trying to get a good look at his Sebastian Shaw face. I personally don't think the pictures at Banthaskull.com do a very good job at showing it up-close.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on June 30, 2010, 09:02 AM
Ugh...my TRU.com order should arrive today, but there was still some stuff I couldn't get that I will need to start hunting for. I guess I should have figured that enforcement of the street date would vary from store to store.

Could be a road trip weekend for me :)

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on June 30, 2010, 09:11 AM
@JACKOFTRADEZ: Do u think u can post pictures of Vader's head/helmet area, by any chance? I'm trying to get a good look at his Sebastian Shaw face. I personally don't think the pictures at Banthaskull.com do a very good job at showing it up-close.

JACKOFTRADZE ;)
No problem. I will tak a shot when I get home tonight. I kept the more detailed helmet and swapped it with my Legacy Vader. The Vintage Vader head is way too gray with a double chin. He is really bad.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on June 30, 2010, 03:57 PM
@JACKOFTRADEZ: Do u think u can post pictures of Vader's head/helmet area, by any chance? I'm trying to get a good look at his Sebastian Shaw face. I personally don't think the pictures at Banthaskull.com do a very good job at showing it up-close.

JACKOFTRADZE ;)
No problem. I will tak a shot when I get home tonight. I kept the more detailed helmet and swapped it with my Legacy Vader. The Vintage Vader head is way too gray with a double chin. He is really bad.

Oops!.... and thanks! I've been hearing some pretty mixed reviews on this figure.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on June 30, 2010, 04:10 PM
I too have seen some horse**** paint apps on that Vader skin head. It looks like he's wearing a chinstrap.

(http://www.rebelscum.com/TVC/Basic/VC08Vader/TVC-073-m.jpg)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on June 30, 2010, 04:15 PM
I too have seen some horse**** paint apps on that Vader skin head. It looks like he's wearing a chinstrap.

(http://www.rebelscum.com/TVC/Basic/VC08Vader/TVC-073-m.jpg)


Dang... that is an ugly paint job! I *do* like, though, that his helmet is pretty glossy. I didn't think the TLC 2008 figure had a very shiny helmet. And what's the point of having this type of Vader figure in a TESB wave?! I would have prefered a Vader with a damaged shoulder plate from when Luke show's him who's boss... until Vader gets pissy and cuts off his hand. :( 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on June 30, 2010, 07:13 PM
I think it's about the scene where he's in his meditation chamber...  Plus I guess the BAD figure was supposed to have a 3-piece-helmet, but that fell through.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on July 1, 2010, 04:30 AM
I like the way the hands are sculpted on the Dengar figure, they make for really good poses holding the rifle. I'd be really pleased to see this feature on some rebel soldiers at some point.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: jono on July 1, 2010, 07:17 AM
Picked up four of this wave -Luke, Dengar,Boba and Hoth Leia. They are all sublime-standouts are Dengar and Luke. Paint apps have had more cash than usual chucked at them, more of this please.

The cards are great and seeing them all stacked there was thrillingly sureal.

Big thumbs up.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Rob on July 1, 2010, 10:15 AM
Am I reading this right that it's TRU where people are finding them?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on July 1, 2010, 10:22 AM
Am I reading this right that it's TRU where people are finding them?

Yep. TRU seems to be the only retail right now.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on July 1, 2010, 10:27 AM
Am I reading this right that it's TRU where people are finding them?

Yes, I called all the Walmarts and Targets in my area last night and none of them even had any new figures in stock, much less on the pegs. I don't expect they will be getting them anytime soon either.

At this point, given what is going on around the country, I think Hasbro should draft a letter to TRU telling them to just go ahead and sell the damn things. There's no point in having a street date if half the stores are going to ignore them anyway. All that does is piss people off that aren't fortunate enough to live someplace where the TRU staff doesn't care.

It was a good idea in theory, what with SDCC and C5 around the corner, but in practice, pretty much a failure and it's time to open the flood gates.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on July 1, 2010, 11:40 AM
Is anyone else able to find the vintage figures on TRU.com anymore?

The new Legends and TCW stuff is still there, but I cannot find any listings for the Vintage figures any longer.

They do have the Cloud Car and Snowspeeder up still.

Think they pulled these after someone figured out they shouldn't be selling them "early"?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: P-Siddy on July 1, 2010, 11:50 AM
I was on yesterday and they had Vader and maybe 3-PO, the rest were gone. I wondered the same thing, that they realized a goof too late.

But the speeder and cloud cars were still there.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on July 1, 2010, 12:02 PM
They do have the Cloud Car and Snowspeeder up still.
Cloud Car link (http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4020295&ab=TRU_HP%3AHotDeals%3A2%3A062710%3ABuy-1-Get-1-50-off-ALL-Star-Wars-Figures-Playsets-Accessories)
Snowspeeder link (http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4020222&ab=TRU_HP%3AHotDeals%3A2%3A062710%3ABuy-1-Get-1-50-off-ALL-Star-Wars-Figures-Playsets-Accessories)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Rob on July 1, 2010, 12:15 PM
$28?  Is that what they cost in stores?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: iFett on July 1, 2010, 12:24 PM
$28?  Is that what they cost in stores?

At TRU they are.  They're supposed to be $25 at Target/WM.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on July 1, 2010, 12:37 PM
I was on yesterday and they had Vader and maybe 3-PO, the rest were gone. I wondered the same thing, that they realized a goof too late.

Interesting...I saw them yesterday too, but today - nothing. I don't mean they are sold out either, the listings themselves are actually gone from what I can tell.

Makes me wonder too - is that street date only applicable to the Vintage stuff?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 1, 2010, 12:39 PM
I can still find them, for example: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4070600

or http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4070606

or http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4070579

They are all out of stock - they have been pretty much all week.

The case I bought of the Clone Wars Wave 2 last night had an August 6th date on it too. So I think the date is supposed to apply to all product.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on July 1, 2010, 12:51 PM
Thanks Pete!

It's weird though, I can get the figures to come up via your links, but I can't seem to find them via key search words like "Vintage" or "3.75", and I also don't see them listed anymore in the general section for action figures.

Maybe they have re-configured how they are being displayed or something. I did notice the Han was listed as "In Stock" so it seems like they would want you to actually be able to order him.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Rob on July 1, 2010, 12:57 PM
Yeah, so even with Buy-one-get-one-half-off they come out to $50 shipped from TRU's website... I might as well just hold off and get them at Target.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Paul on July 1, 2010, 12:59 PM
With Rob moving North, I've had to find figures myself...

But look what turned up at a Local TRU (Fort Worth).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/IMG_01231.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/IMG_01221.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/IMG_01211.jpg)

Best of all they were Buy 1 get one 50% off...
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Scott on July 1, 2010, 01:01 PM
Can you zoom in on your credit card number?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Paul on July 1, 2010, 01:09 PM
it's just a bunch of x's.

It's a paypal card and after the Toys, the Route 44 Coke from Sonic and the ATM stop, it is empty.  If you can get money out of it, go for it.

To add to Scott's front Page Story... I did see cases of the Legends and Clone waves (at least a dozen each) but there were only 2 vintage cases.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on July 1, 2010, 02:47 PM
Paul, did you skip 3PO, Vader and 4-LOM or did you just miss them?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Packbar on July 1, 2010, 04:26 PM
I picked up all 10 yesterday at my TRU in Orem, UT and it was made all the better because of the buy one get one 50% off sale!   I ended up taking back Darth Vader, Bespin Luke, and C3PO since those exact same cards were done in previous vintage waves.  I already mailed off my redemption form for the Boba Fett and was glad that the requirements didn't make me take off a corner of these new packages. I just used UPCs that qualified from other past figures that I could take them off of.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Paul on July 1, 2010, 05:49 PM
Paul, did you skip 3PO, Vader and 4-LOM or did you just miss them?

I skipped them.

3P0 on accident.  Vader and 4-LOM on purpose.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on July 1, 2010, 06:13 PM
I picked up all 10 yesterday at my TRU in Orem, UT and it was made all the better because of the buy one get one 50% off sale!   I ended up taking back Darth Vader, Bespin Luke, and C3PO since those exact same cards were done in previous vintage waves. 

You took back Bespin Luke?! Oh gosh. I hear that it's a superb figure! I look forward to replacing my VTAC Bespin Luke figure with this vintage one.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 1, 2010, 06:36 PM
You took back Bespin Luke?! Oh gosh. I hear that it's a superb figure! I look forward to replacing my VTAC Bespin Luke figure with this vintage one.

I just opened the one I picked up this morning - and he is indeed an excellent figure. I would definitely recommend not passing this over.

So far I've opened up Vader, Denger, AT-AT Commander, Echo Base Han, Bespin Luke and C-3PO - definitely a nice group of figures.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Diddly on July 1, 2010, 07:53 PM
Can't wait to find this wave, although my TRU hasn't stocked anything in many, many months so I might literally be the only one here who has to wait until 8/6... possibly even later!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: EpicGon on July 1, 2010, 08:54 PM
it was said at at commander is a generic official, because he does not show the general badge, his armor is different from saga Veers.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on July 1, 2010, 09:25 PM
Found and scored the entire wave today at my TRU.  I originally planned to skip Vader 3-PO and maybe 4-LOM, but the giddiness of finding them all and the BOGO sale made it very easy for me to nab them all.  I love these - very cool.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Rob on July 2, 2010, 02:53 PM
Whoa, you got them in White Settlement, TX.

Fancy.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Brian on July 3, 2010, 09:17 AM
Our TRU hasn't had them either, or I missed them.  I saw all of the first wave(s) of CW and Legends this week, but no vintage.  I'm wondering if they are holding them back as well.  I did get the three "less desired" figures from TRU.com this week (Vader, 4-LOM, and 3PO), and although they aren't necessarily as exciting as the rest of the wave - those cardbacks sure are pretty.  Sadly, I think I'll be suckered into a carded set with these - at least of anything new.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 3, 2010, 01:20 PM
Wait is the regular price $9.99 for these figures?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: CorranHorn on July 3, 2010, 01:43 PM
Wait is the regular price $9.99 for these figures?

At TRU for now it is, but Target's DCPI (posted by Jeff) rings up the figures at $7.99. So my guess is TRU is taking advantage of the situation of having the figures in stock first by jacking up the price.

An interesting note, I went to a TRU that several local collectors were able to get the figures earlier this week. Nothing on the shelves including no price tags. I asked at the customer service desk if they had any in the stock room and they said no they were cleared out. But the guy mentioned that after the first case was let out early (he referred to the street date as being today), they got permission from corporate to let loose on the remaining cases. Take that for what it's worth, but it could possibly mean that TRU as a whole is either ignoring Hasbro's street date in their own or has permission to do so from big H.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Morgbug on July 3, 2010, 01:48 PM
Are there any HTS codes?  I fear these will end up at the $14.99 price point north of the border or the slightly better $11.99 but $7.99?  No way. 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on July 5, 2010, 05:17 AM
On first inspection I thought Dengar and Luke had the same blaster, just painted slightly different. On closer inspection, they're actually different sculpts.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Paul on July 5, 2010, 10:39 AM
Is it just me or does the Card Photo for Dengar look like the old Photo of Billy the Kid (or at least it is accepted that it is him).

(http://cdn1.ioffer.com/img/item/190/473/57/o_kenner_dengar.JPG.jpg)

(http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/billy-the-kid.jpg.jpeg)

Or has this already been mentioned elsewhere and I am coming late to the party.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on July 5, 2010, 12:53 PM
Doesn't dress like a dandy though.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on July 5, 2010, 01:31 PM
And Dengar's image is flipped horizontally to boot.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 5, 2010, 03:46 PM
About 8 cases of these were put out at my TRU today, but $9.99 each!!!  I find that to be a lot crazy.

That said, I did buy an AT-AT Commander, my favorite of the wave. 

I will wait to buy these at reasonable prices.

Especially because 4 pegs to the left, there were new Clone Wars figures put out, and those are $7.49.  I picked up Aurra Sing and Pre Vizsla.

If the regular price of Star Wars figures is $10 each, I'm basically done, with a few exceptions.  I'll pay up to about $8 each, and my understanding is that in August these should be everywhere for around that price, right?

I also passed on Cloud Car and Snowspeeder at TRU at $28.  I was not in the mood!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: iFett on July 5, 2010, 04:30 PM
About 8 cases of these were put out at my TRU today, but $9.99 each!!!  I find that to be a lot crazy.

I agree.  Weren't the previous vintage lines the same price, but with the clamshell?  I'm patient though and will just wait for the Target reset.  August is going to be a very expensive month for me especially with all the SDCC swag I'll have to pick up to the lead in.  Kinda sucks collecting 3 Hasbro lines at once, but oh well.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on July 5, 2010, 04:36 PM
I was at TRU today because I had to go near to one, and I decided to see if they'd yank me a case based on DB's number he shared, and they did.  And much like you Dressel, $9.99 each and no BOGO, so I thanked her for the help and declined.  I know the woman who helped me so no big deal, but I'm not shelling out an extra $20 for the figures I wanted.

Luke looked rather snazzy though, as did the others.  I was looking at like $100 at least though...  Nah, no thanks.

I had a Cloud Car too, and $28 was also too much.  I like it, but till TRU's forced to compete I declined. 

Even with my coupon, it was  wallet rape.   :-\

I dont' kknow what the specifics are on the $9.99 price, but if that's what everyone winds up charging, I think I'm done.  I'll probably just bail on the hobby all together till retail came to their senses.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 5, 2010, 05:26 PM
I've been so annoyed with Hasbro Star Wars distribution for the last half a year, I don't even care when I get these.

It's quite a task getting me to lose interest, but Hasbro managed to pull it off.

I see these in stock at tru.com, and I'm not even ordering them, for absolutely no other reason than lack of motivation.

Yet.

Got a good amount of enthusiasm back today when I saw Vintage Wave 1 all over the pegs at TRU.

Then lost a little bit when I saw the price tag of $10.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: P-Siddy on July 5, 2010, 06:03 PM
I saw the sale was done yesterday on tru.com. The vintage figures were still missing from the page, though I could still access them from history.

Regardless, I'm not picking any up at TRU for $9.99 if Target and WM are having them for a couple bucks cheaper. I can wait it out until the street date.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 5, 2010, 06:16 PM
Yeah - at this point, I will not be buying any more Vintage figures from Toys R Us until they lower their price.

The only reason I jumped all over the Vintage figures last week was because with the BOGO, they averaged out to $7.49 each which is $.50 cheaper than the price Target will be selling them for.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Crackbrick on July 6, 2010, 04:39 PM
3 vaders and a dengar, didn't want any of those.
The kid working was nice enough to check if they had more, but there was nothing in back.
The ones I want most are Daak and hn and 3 others just to get the fett.
Hope they show up here at some point.

cb
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Nicklab on July 6, 2010, 10:57 PM
So I heard this nasty rumor that the VC Vader might be the same figure as the Saga Legends Vader.  Is there any verifiable proof of this thus far?  Or is the Saga Legends Vader actually the TLC BLUE figure from 2008?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 6, 2010, 11:35 PM
So I heard this nasty rumor that the VC Vader might be the same figure as the Saga Legends Vader.  Is there any verifiable proof of this thus far?  Or is the Saga Legends Vader actually the TLC BLUE figure from 2008?

Since I have all three, I just went down to my collection room and checked.

Personally, there are only two differences between the new VTC Vader and the TLC Blue/White 2008 figure - paint apps and the fact that the head can easily be popped off of the body.

The paint apps is obvious, the head of Anakin in the VTC version is much darker gray than the TLC head which is more of a light/pale gray - almost white with darker gray motting. The back of the neck brace also has different paint applications.

For the pop-off head so you can remove the neck brace/collar, I really didn't want to break/ruin my TLC Vader, so it's entirely possible that the head is exactly the same head - the sculpt itself does indeed look identical, so it's entirely possible that the two figures are indeed the same.

For the new 2010 Legends release, it is indeed the same figure, but the paint apps are different between that figure and both the TLC and VTC figures (at least with my samples).

So the net-net is that until someone cares to tug at the head of their TLC Vader to see if it comes off/out, I think it's an identical figure with the exception of paint-apps and that the head peg that inserts into the torso has been redesigned to allow for easy removal of the head.

If you're never gonna remove the head so you can remove the neck brace, there really isn't any point to this figure. And since the neck brace was only ever not-on Hayden in ROTS, this version with the Sebastian Shaw head is even more pointless.

Get it if you're a completist (like me), pass on it if you really don't give a crap about the three piece helmet.

If I were Hasbro, I'd already be planning a re-release with the arms from the ANH Tin and a burnt Hayden head.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on July 7, 2010, 01:29 AM
For the pop-off head so you can remove the neck brace/collar, I really didn't want to break/ruin my TLC Vader, so it's entirely possible that the head is exactly the same head - the sculpt itself does indeed look identical, so it's entirely possible that the two figures are indeed the same.

You have to remove TVC Vader's head to actually be able to do something with the neck collar? Wow - that's completely pointless! I'm liking this Vader less and less. There was really no need to do a 3-piece removable helmet.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on July 7, 2010, 02:46 AM
Not to mention that on all the photos I've seen (and taken) of the "new" Vader (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/html/TVC/basicfigures/VC08.html), the paint ops on the face are poor as they all have a big white blob on the chin/jaw (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/TVC/basicfigures/VC08/lf23.html) - probably where glue was to be applied as on the previous (TLC) version.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on July 7, 2010, 01:30 PM
they all have a big white blob on the chin/jaw (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/TVC/basicfigures/VC08/lf23.html)

Sure looks terrible that way...  I guess I'm going to pass on picking up an opener for Vader.  Not worth spending $8 for Vader with crappy paint ops on his head. I've got plenty of Vaders already, I think I'll be just fine without this one.  ;)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 7, 2010, 02:07 PM
You have to remove TVC Vader's head to actually be able to do something with the neck collar? Wow - that's completely pointless! I'm liking this Vader less and less. There was really no need to do a 3-piece removable helmet.

Yeah, I was expecting this head to be a ball joint neck, but it's not, it's a swivel neck which means you take out the head and neck to remove the 3rd piece of the helmet.

The thing I find odd is that I really don't see what the differences are between this figure and the Blue/White 2008 Vader. It's not like the head and neck-brace/collar are a single piece on that figure either - they are two pieces - and the head itself can turn independently of of the neck-brace/collar.

So what's the B.F.D. about this figure? The simple answer is "nothing".

I go back to my previous assertation that the Hasbro execs must make it a requirement of the Hasbro brand team that Vader must appear in every first Wave of every new assortment ID.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on July 7, 2010, 11:38 PM
Shockingly, I picked up Dengar, 4-LOM, Cloud Car Pilot and AT-AT Commander tonight at one of the outlying TRU's across the river from me... :o

I kind of swung by on a whim, since I had just checked there last week, and sure enough they had remnants still on the pegs. Just those 4, plus the Snow Speeder and Cloud Car, at least 2-3 each. Also a full assortment of Legends and what appeared to be TCW Wave 1.5.

This was not a store I had pestered before about putting the new stuff out, but they also haven't had any activity in their SW section for weeks and weeks now. I was really stunned to see these out already.

I'm contemplating heading back over to the other  TRU up the street with my receipt tomorrow as I feel this really helps make my case that it's ok for them to put theirs out too. (The stores are all of about 15 miles from each other after all) I may just wait until Friday though as I get paid again then and these things are not easy on the wallet.

It's a great feeling diving back in though!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Keonobi on July 8, 2010, 12:16 PM
I think I'm like a lot of people, when I heard TRU was putting them out, I went to take a look but didn't find anything.  Now that they aren't doing their little sale, there isn't a lot of reason to go back until I know they are out, especially given the their price is likely to be a dollar or two more than Walmart and Target.

I'm glad new figures are coming out, it makes for a much more interesting time to be a fan/collector.  But its pretty much the same reaction as to when Tunghori (sp?) has new figures on eBay.  Interesting, but I'm not going to overpay for something I'll probably see in a few weeks anyway.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on July 8, 2010, 01:23 PM
I cruised by the local TRU I have been stalking again at lunch today, but nothing new on the pegs.

I'll check back again tomorrow after the next truck arrives and see if I can make any headway then. I'm hoping the other store that actually put these things out will have re-stocked by then too.

I'm not really sweating over it, I just don't take it for granted that I will be able to find everything I want come August 6th. I am going to be away on business all that week and probably flying home on the 6th. Any progress I can make between now and then is a bonus.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Brian on July 8, 2010, 05:01 PM
I stopped by TRU today and they happened to have these on the pegs (except for Boba Fett).  Despite the higher prices, I broke and picked up a few of them (Han, Luke, Leia, Dak, AT-AT Commander, and Cloud Car Pilot).  I figured that I did have them preordered (first at BBTS, then at HTS), so once I figured in shipping it wasn't too much different - at least that is what I'm telling myself.  Seeing those vinty cardbacks hanging on the pegs sure was nice though - and the non-j hook is super annoying when getting figures towards the back :).  I have to admit though, this line has me pretty excited - I hope they stick with it for awhile.  I'm really going back and forth on whether to pick up a carded set of these or not.  The VOTC/VTSC figures are the only ones I've done that with really, and it is tempting to do again (although so much rougher on the budget/wallet).
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on July 8, 2010, 08:34 PM
The opening engine compartments on that sold me on that ship immediately.  Not that I needed sold on it anyway I guess, but that added umph to it really made me giddy to get the CC, of all things.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Master_Phruby on July 10, 2010, 10:19 PM
Picked up an echo base Han Solo at TRU today and just mailed off for my "free" Boba Fett for $6.99. If these things are going to be $9.99 everywhere then this is the last "vintage" figure I buy.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 11, 2010, 07:48 AM
If these things are going to be $9.99 everywhere then this is the last "vintage" figure I buy.

Yup, it makes a big difference.  Can I "afford" to pay $10 a figure?  Sure, I guess.  Do I want to, or will I?  Nope.

When I came across 8 cases of these last weekend, at $10 each I picked up a single AT-AT Commander.  1 figure.

Had they been $6.99, I would have bought the following:

Luke
Dengar
4 AT-AT Commanders
4 Cloud Car Pilots
Dak

The rest of this wave I don't want or need regardless of the price.  
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Scott on July 11, 2010, 10:38 AM
As has been repeatedly said in this thread, everywhere else (Target, Wally, Hasbrotoyshop) the figures are going to be $7.99 or cheaper, TRU is usually higher to begin...we get it...$10 is too steep.  Wait a month and stop bitching about it
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on July 11, 2010, 10:56 AM
TRU does have the BOGO 50% off sale going on again if that helps.  ;)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darby on July 11, 2010, 11:24 AM
Soon enough those little Dengars and CC Pilots will be hanging out on the pegs for $8 and we'll all be wondering where the new stuff is.  Paitence is a virtue.   :)  There's nothing funner for me than going back on stuff I never got and getting it for nothing.  I'm buying a carded set of these (against my better judgement) and some of the figures I will wait and nab on sales or loose since many of them (I'm looking at you, Dengar) are future ebay $3 Hall of Famers.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: darth punkinhed on July 11, 2010, 01:10 PM
Hasbro is just screwing with everyone on pricing anymore. Typically a manufacturer doesn't compete directly with it's customers. In this case not only have I seen these instock on the Hasbro site but they were $7.99ea. Maybe that's changed a little since I haven't checked back today but when I did they were in stock so apparently only Hasbro wants to be able to sell these prior to 8/6/10? That's pretty shoddy. EE has cases listed at $99.99, which breaks down to roughly $8.34 per case but EE is always changing prices. So, based on what I see here it's $7.99 direct from hasbro, $8.34 from EE but you have to buy the case and $9.99 from TRU. I'm going to bet Wallyworld and Target will have these at or less than $6.99. If not it sounds like Hasbro is more and more trying to take that market share away from it's resellers. I have all of these on order by the case. I've already got my wave 1 case. After shipping it cost me $8.70 per figure. At least it's a sealed case and it's in perfect condition. I'm not even opening these, they'll go into storage as is and I'll pick up cheaper openers at retail to get my Boba Fett. Overall though, I look at this as a bad omen. Prices may settle later this year to under $7 but I expect to see this scenario play out like this next year. Hasbro will kill the line if they keep it up. It's funny how it only seems to be Star Wars that Hasbro messes with like this. I don't think Transformers pricing has fluctuated as much since the first movie came out.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 11, 2010, 04:36 PM
As has been repeatedly said in this thread, everywhere else (Target, Wally, Hasbrotoyshop) the figures are going to be $7.99 or cheaper, TRU is usually higher to begin...we get it...$10 is too steep.  Wait a month and stop bitching about it

Well maybe if my TRU could have sold some of those 500 Willrow Hoods forming a solid wall of pegwarmer bricks grouted with dust, they wouldn't have to charge $10 each for the new 2010 stuff, forcing some of us to leave brand new product on the shelf for half the summer.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Biffette on July 12, 2010, 12:56 AM
Hasbro is just screwing with everyone on pricing anymore. Typically a manufacturer doesn't compete directly with it's customers. In this case not only have I seen these instock on the Hasbro site but they were $7.99ea. Maybe that's changed a little since I haven't checked back today but when I did they were in stock so apparently only Hasbro wants to be able to sell these prior to 8/6/10? That's pretty shoddy.

I think that this has more to do with the street date confusion than anything.  And TRU regularly marks their stuff up a little higher than everybody else, so no surprise there.

[quote author = Dressel Rebel]Well maybe if my TRU could have sold some of those 500 Willrow Hoods forming a solid wall of pegwarmer bricks grouted with dust,[/quote]

That's craziness.  I've only seen about three ICMGs total, in all the TRUs within 30 miles of me.  Is it possible that most other TRUs were suffering from other, earlier figures pegwarming, and that all of the one wave ended up going from the distribution centers to your TRU?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on July 14, 2010, 01:43 PM
So, for anyone who's actually seen TVC on shelves, are the remnants of LC still on shelves as well? I'm wondering because Wave 13 (EU wave) sorta-recently came out and now TVC is about to hit.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on July 14, 2010, 01:49 PM
So, for anyone who's actually seen TVC on shelves, are the remnants of LC still on shelves as well? I'm wondering because Wave 13 (EU wave) sorta-recently came out and now TVC is about to hit.

Yes. The Vintage Collection had its own dedicated peg alongside the TLC, old SL, new SL (separate tags/sku), old CW and new CW (separate tags/sku) figures.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on July 14, 2010, 02:48 PM
Mine still don't have dedicated pegs for TVC stuff.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 14, 2010, 02:56 PM
In regards to the posts that are griping about pricing, Hasbro, TRU, etc…I personally would rather pay $10 for a very well done figure loaded with details than one lacking in details/articulation at $6-7. TRU is setting their price higher, not Hasbro. Blaming Hasbro is total fan boy BS. Hasbro sets the MSRP (Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price). If TRU wants to charge more for the items they carry that's their decision, that's their business model. They may lose business because of it but if the current pegs are any sign, they are moving. So they are making more money on them because people are willing to pay the higher price. It's called Capitalism, more power to them! These figures are not cheap to produce and stores like TRU need charge more to make up the difference from their competitors and their own overhead expenses. They do not have as many stores as Target and Wal-Mart so they do not have purchasing power as the big boys. They need to make 55+ points on items like these. Contrary to popular belief, Hasbro is not in business to make Star wars figures just for the hell of satisfying out collections. They make them to make money. Same goes for TRU, it's called a business, they happen to deal in toys which we like to buy. It's still a business anyway you cut it.

I am so sick of the blame the big business attitude. It's nauseating.

Your not victims people, your frugal and base your desired pricing on feelings. They need to be based in reality, that reality has been confirmed by Hasbro. They clearly stated in order to make new figures they need to charge at least $8 while the other lines can be $7.  I am happy that they did not abandon the movie line in lieu of the CWs line. We are still getting new figures and vehicles that hit a new level of detail, they are great! Too many collectors act as if they "HAVE TO" buy this stuff. You don't. Everything is expensive now and it's only going to get worse, choose your poison. Most stores will charge $8-$9 so be patient and buy them there. I consider the higher TRU price a premium for breaking the street date, I was happy to pay it to get them early. TRU also saved me money as I got free shipping on my recent orders. Had I bought these from BBTS like I normally do I would have actually paid more.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: GrandMoffNick on July 14, 2010, 03:07 PM
I think you made a lot of good points. Price is going to go up. People don't have to buy stuff. etc.

But if people want to come on a SW site and complain a little about how much they spend on toys then let them.

Your points are good, but most of us don't need a speech about why we can't complain (which I haven't, at least not about the Vintage figs, so once again I'm sticking my nose where it maybe doesn't belong).
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: morrison2951 on July 14, 2010, 03:55 PM
These "vintage" price points are nothing compared to the real vintage carded figures.  I've dabbled alittle bit in the carded vintage side of the hobby and it gets very expensive really fast. I recently traded most of my average-poor condition carded vintage figures for some really nice 12" boxed vintage to try to stem this expensive part of the hobby.  Plus, it's really hard to find any affordable decent condition carded vintage figures anyway, so I'm looking forward to this new wave.   
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 14, 2010, 04:34 PM
I think you made a lot of good points. Price is going to go up. People don't have to buy stuff. etc.

But if people want to come on a SW site and complain a little about how much they spend on toys then let them.

Your points are good, but most of us don't need a speech about why we can't complain (which I haven't, at least not about the Vintage figs, so once again I'm sticking my nose where it maybe doesn't belong).

I agree wholeheartedly.
I love JD and it's complainers, nothing personal with my post. I wanted to come to the site to complain about the complainers to hopefully put a couple points into perspective. Sorry about the length of the post it was a speech in retrospect.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on July 14, 2010, 04:45 PM
Yeah, I don't have any gripes about the pricing really, and I totally agree it is worth the extra $1 or two to have them "early".

I just wish Hasbro would tell their reps to advise TRU it is ok to put these all out on the shelves. Not sure these next 3 weeks are really THAT critical to the success of the line that they need to enforce that street date anymore. Seems like one of those things that works only if everyone is observant, which clearly has not been the case.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Master_Phruby on July 14, 2010, 04:56 PM
These "vintage" price points are nothing compared to the real vintage carded figures.  I've dabbled alittle bit in the carded vintage side of the hobby and it gets very expensive really fast. I recently traded most of my average-poor condition carded vintage figures for some really nice 12" boxed vintage to try to stem this expensive part of the hobby.  Plus, it's really hard to find any affordable decent condition carded vintage figures anyway, so I'm looking forward to this new wave.    

Vintage figures when they were new in 1980 cost about $2.95 at TRU. Now the "New" vintage costs $9.99 at the same place. If we take inflation into consideration from 1980 to 2010 these things should cost $7.81.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: speedermike on July 14, 2010, 05:01 PM

Vintage figures when they were new in 1980 cost about $2.95 at TRU. Now the "New" vintage costs $9.99 at the same place. If we take inflation into consideration from 1980 to 2010 these things should cost $7.81.

That's an interesting point.  However, what would a SW figure with 14 points of articulation, and many paint opps have cost in 1980?  This isn't bread or milk, or Coke. We're getting a much, much more involved product.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Dan on July 14, 2010, 05:59 PM
Some interesting discussion in this thread, that's for sure.

I think part of the complaining about the price comes from our fractured "wants" as collectors. Some want cloth goods, 5 layers of paint aps, working holsters, ball jointed elbows, and everything else I'm forgetting. Some like the animated look, others only want realistic. Others keep them carded, so articulation is moot, but card art or photography is important. Some are openers, and stand them up in rows, so packaging and articulation may be back burner items. That leaves a lot of people unhappy no matter what the big H makes, or how much it costs.

In my biggest collecting days, I was an opener, and army builder. The troops pretty much stood in formation, so articulation was cool, but almost no knees have ever been put in the "bent" position. I would rather pay $5 for a reasonable likeness with less articulation than 7-8 (or more) for features, packaging, pack ins, etc that  I don't personally use.

I guess my only point is, no matter which road Hasbro takes, some will love it and the price will mean less, and others will find fault, and have a harder time justifying any price but clearance.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on July 14, 2010, 07:14 PM
That's an interesting point.  However, what would a SW figure with 14 points of articulation, and many paint opps have cost in 1980?  This isn't bread or milk, or Coke. We're getting a much, much more involved product.

Kind of apples/oranges though, as production techniques/technology then is miles and miles worse.  Plastics have improved in quality, machinery has improved in quality/efficiency, paint aps methods, packaging technology...  You're talking 30 years of advancement in manufacturing technology.  If you talked to people from the old Hasbro/Kenner days, compared to now, you'd be amazed at the differences in production.

Actually SW figures were $1.99 around here in 1980 too...  or at least that's what I recall seeing the most.  GI Joes cost about the same too (a little more I think, maybe $2.99?), and were superior in many ways and there were more of them to boot.

I think a lot of the pricing boils to sales/production numbers then, today.  CW is outselling the realistic line, and so it got a price drop because (partially) of that.  2005 the line had one of the best years in sales and the prices dropped accordingly.  The more you make and move, the lower the price will go, ultimately. 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: speedermike on July 14, 2010, 09:24 PM
I agree.  I'm ok with the price hike for TVC, because it's not a mainstream, kid oriented line.  It's a niche market product.
While I have yet to buy any because they are 11.46 at my local NY area TRUs, I will gladly buy them for 9.99 when they hit other stores.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: darth broem 2 on July 14, 2010, 09:41 PM
I'm ok with the pricepoint but will most likely wait it out to buy the entire wave at either Target or Wal-Mart.  I won't be able to resist a few of them for higher price like Bespin Luke and Hoth Leia if I see them first at TRU.  I will wait on Cloud Car Pilot and AT-AT Commander and Dak Ralter though. 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on July 14, 2010, 09:53 PM
I agree.  I'm ok with the price hike for TVC, because it's not a mainstream, kid oriented line.  It's a niche market product.
While I have yet to buy any because they are 11.46 at my local NY area TRUs, I will gladly buy them for 9.99 when they hit other stores.

To be clear, I'm NOT ok with $9.99.  :D  I didn't want that to get confused or anything.  To me, they're overpriced.  If they were very limited production, I can see it, but by all accounts and (as has been mentioned before me), the MSRP set by Hasbro is $7.99, which was confirmed at Toy Fair.  There SHOULDN'T be any price-hike at all, compared to 2009, 2008, etc.  They should be $7.99 according to a number of sources.  I think TRU's just simply not ignorant of their situation of having them first, and are taking advantage using their sales and whatnot.

To me,  I walked away from a case at $9.99 each.  I don't regret that.  They were just too much to me.  I don't see Hasbro cutting production down on these tremendously to justify the price.  They're still the "basic line".  Hasbro's just now juggling a couple lines, and one's doing better than the other.

Supposedly the "Deluxe" Vintage stuff in the past was shorter production runs.  I can sort of see it too.  They were in a more complex package, which cost more.  They were clearly not produced in the same numbers because they didn't have the same allotted pegspace everywhere.  They seemed to not reship like basic figures.  These new vintage are a "basic" line though, so I'm biding my time for $7.99 (or less). 

I think that's something each collector has to decide themselves though.  I think GrandMoffNick summed up everything very well with his post.  Some guys wait for clearances on stuff.  To me, that's their right.  It's all in what the business world calls perceived value.  I didn't buy a BMF for anywhere near $150.  I got mine for $60 and waited a long time to get it.  To me, that's all I was really willing to buy it at.  I got a Turbo Tank for $40 at (of all places) K-Mart.  It's all I was really willing to pay.  I shelled out $100 for my first AT-TE though, and $44 or whatever it was for my first AT-ST or three. 

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks I guess.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Master_Phruby on July 14, 2010, 10:00 PM
I'd still compare a 1980 Star Wars figures to a modern 14pt Star Wars figure and call them equivalent. The state of the art now is 14pt while back then it was 5pt. These new "vintage" come with almost no accessories just like the originals. Please remember the first version of these new "vintage" figures came in clam shells and listed for $9.99. There is nothing special about these figures that hasn't been standard for the last few years. Just because they have the original cardbacks doesn't make them special. It just means Hasbro is out of original ideas.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Brian on July 15, 2010, 10:18 AM
I'll admit, I paid $9.99 for some of the vintage collection at our local TRU, but I guess I was a little impatient.  The combination of the ESB "theme", the spiffy cardbacks, and the long lull of not buying anything Star Wars (virtually nothing all year), and they hooked me in.  So, obviously, I'd pay $9.99 (and did), but I do think the suggested price of $7.99 is more in line with what they should be.  I do think it is a little more of a niche line than something like Clone Wars, and we may see it getting more and more that way over the next couple years.  I'm really interested to see how "The Vintage Collection" does overall, since we continually hear how poor selling the Legacy stuff was.  I don't like paying $9.99 either, it does seem a bit steep, but if we did get to the point where the line was drastically cut down to between 20-40 new figures a year - with fewer made overall, I could see where it could lead that way.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Crackbrick on July 15, 2010, 01:07 PM
If hasbro used vintage style cardbacks on every figure made, i would have bought allot more.  Especially one that were never vintage before.

cb
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on July 15, 2010, 11:38 PM
Score!!!

I will detail the circumstances in the other thread, but suffice to say I was able to score almost all the missing figs I needed from the ESB wave tonight at TRU. (Dak, Solo, Leia, Vader, 3PO, Luke)

The only one that continues to elude me is Boba Fett, and I only missed him by a few minutes.  ::)

Still liking all these guys a lot, just not sure if my interest will last beyond this wave.

Oh, and I got the BOGO hook-up so worked out to $7.50 each, not too shabby.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: jono on July 19, 2010, 01:02 PM
Finally picked up Dak and The Cloud Pilot.

Both seem good quality figures. The paint apps seem much improved over Legacy -but this is only the first wave, so i don't want to tempt fate.



EDIT -Has anybody any shots of the OTC Pilot wearing the VC Pilot's Helmet?

Any good?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on July 19, 2010, 04:33 PM
Whoo, Wal-Mart Canada finally broke street date. I picked up Leia, Dengar, At-At Driver and the Cloud Car Pilot and they're all very solid. I'm going to be tempted to go back for Luke and Dak soon probably, and even 3P0 looks ok. Nice to actually have somthing on the shelves again.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Morgbug on July 22, 2010, 12:12 PM
The cardbacks are really sweet as I saw these for the first time yesterday.  I love the card shape, the large image and the small bubble set to one side.  Interestingly no Fett offer sticker on our cards. 
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Rob on July 22, 2010, 04:50 PM
The cardbacks are really sweet as I saw these for the first time yesterday.  I love the card shape, the large image and the small bubble set to one side.  Interestingly no Fett offer sticker on our cards. 

I like them as well... I'm even back tracking a bit on my no-vintage-on-classic-cardbacks position.  It's such a good look that even the prequel figures look better on them.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Diddly on July 28, 2010, 01:09 PM
My local TRU will soon be getting an angry letter from Hasbro, as they broke street date and put these out. Fett and for some reason Dak were the only ones missing. But like Dressel I couldn't bring myself to pay $10 a pop, especially since they'll be $2-3 cheaper in just a week. It was REALLY hard to pass on these though, specifically the Luke and Leia. And the AT-AT commander too. The only total losers of this wave are Vader and 4-LOM, though I'm not too hot on Han and 3PO.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on July 29, 2010, 02:10 PM
My local TRU will soon be getting an angry letter from Hasbro, as they broke street date and put these out.

Apparently they're fining too. ::) Maybe next time there's a line re-launch Hasbro won't ship out multiple figure cases 3 months in advance. The stores have every right to sell the products they get from suppliers. That's like giving food to a starving person and telling them not to eat.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Rob on August 1, 2010, 12:11 PM
I finally managed to find this wave yesterday... there's a new Target near me that didn't have old stock of anything so they must have decided to just go ahead and sell these, they had a bunch.

That said, I think the quality on these is really pretty impressive.

My only real question is, why are Han's legs always so skinny?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Crackbrick on August 1, 2010, 03:30 PM
Found them at Target as well.
Got enough to send away for Fett.
These are nice.
Just love those vintage cards.
Almost got the Cloud Car but passed.

cb
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Brian on August 1, 2010, 04:17 PM
Found these again at TRU today, two pegs stocked full (except still no Fett).  No signs at WM or Target, although I know Target is setting these at the end of the week.  I agree, I just love seeing these cardbacks out there again (although I will admit the lack of j-hook is sort of a pain if you're wanting something from the back of the peg).  I was looking at these today and thinking, wouldn't it have been cool to see Willrow on a vintage cardback?  I know it isn't likely to happen, since Hasbro has sort of said we wouldn't be seeing him again, but it would have been nifty.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Crackbrick on August 1, 2010, 06:21 PM
I wish they were vintage right from the start.
Would have changed what I collect in a big way.
I would never have resisted vintage cards for every line.

cb
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on August 1, 2010, 06:59 PM
So for everyone that got one, how would you rate the new 3P0 compared to the older releases? I've been using the ROTS one forever now and am trying to decide if this new version is worth the upgrade.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Crackbrick on August 1, 2010, 08:05 PM
So for everyone that got one, how would you rate the new 3P0 compared to the older releases? I've been using the ROTS one forever now and am trying to decide if this new version is worth the upgrade.

Its a cool toy, but I can't really compare since I don't have any other recent ones.

cb
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 1, 2010, 08:48 PM
So for everyone that got one, how would you rate the new 3P0 compared to the older releases? I've been using the ROTS one forever now and am trying to decide if this new version is worth the upgrade.

Well, that's really up to you mostly. I recently got the new 3PO, and he does have good articulation and such, but a very gimmicky asthetic. But if you want a simple, GOOD C-3PO, then you should go for TSC version w/ Ewok Throne (currently in the SL lineup). That one is vac-metalized and even has knee articulation, and looks truer to source material. I consider that one my definite C-3PO.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 2, 2010, 09:24 AM


My only real question is, why are Han's legs always so skinny?

Why has Han's face not looked like Harrison Ford on 95% of his releases?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: JediJman on August 2, 2010, 10:57 AM
So for everyone that got one, how would you rate the new 3P0 compared to the older releases? I've been using the ROTS one forever now and am trying to decide if this new version is worth the upgrade.

Personally, I hate almost all of the threepio figures.  I shouldn't, but seems like the most appropriate one was the old POTF2 version.  The others are all too skinny or just don't look right.  I think Jay was mentioning this latest one doesn't even show his mid-section (abs) wiring, which just seems lazy to me.  I hope we have a long time before another threepio comes out unless they find a way to do it right.  Adding electronics like R2 has in a vew versions would be a nice touch as well.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: CHEWIE on August 2, 2010, 11:52 AM
They just need to use the B.A.D. sculpt for C-3PO, why they don't is quite ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on August 2, 2010, 01:01 PM


My only real question is, why are Han's legs always so skinny?

Why has Han's face not looked like Harrison Ford on 95% of his releases?

Yeah, I thought they nailed it on the original VOTC Han, that was the best likeness we ever got. I don't see why they don't just keep reusing that head for every Han release going forward.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Diddly on August 2, 2010, 06:20 PM
Been seeing the remnants of this wave around over the last few days, and I honestly think I'm going to wait a while before picking any up. I'm more interested in the vehicles, which are already going to add up, and nothing from this wave really screams "must buy" yet. Definitely going to pick up a few of the figures, but I'll probably wait a few weeks for the figures to hit widespread.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on August 3, 2010, 03:53 AM
I forgot this about one figure from the wave but was just reminded...

I was annoyed that Leia got a really liberal paint wash!  Why on earth would she have that, first, and why on earth would they give her the paintwash when they're cutting paintwashes back on other figures that need them but don't get them?  Very odd decision to me.

There's no "clean" variant of this being found, is there?  Some have turned up on Ebay very clean...  I was worried the dirty one was the production figure, and sadly it is.  Is she ever looking like Pigpen in the movie?  Even on the Falcon she didn't look like she was working all that hard.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on August 3, 2010, 02:45 PM
I dunno if the wash varies from figure to figure, but the wash on mine seems pretty subtle. You can tell it's there, but she doesn't really look like she's been rolling around in the dirt or anything. I like it myself. Brings out all the little folds and details in the costume nicely I think.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on August 3, 2010, 08:39 PM
I'm kind of curious to see if clean ones are going to be easy enough to find or what...  Both looks surfaced on Ebay, and one was much more distinctly dirty than the other which looked like almost no wash was used.  I'd prefer clean...  she was on Hoth, not Dagobah, but I saw no difference at Target when I bought mine so I dunno. :(  If I see a clean one I'm buying it though.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Sprry75 on August 3, 2010, 09:59 PM
I picked up Bespin Luke, Hoth Leia, Echo Base Han, and Dak.  I've only opened Luke.  I've always been an opener, but these are kind of hard to tear into.  They're so...pretty.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on August 3, 2010, 11:07 PM
They really are tough to open. I always use a knife and try to cut through the bubble without tearing the card too much and then put the card away somewhere. I don't know why really, since I'll probably never do anything with it, but they're just so hard to throw away.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Scott on August 3, 2010, 11:10 PM
I opened C-3PO tonight and I like him a lot more than I thought I would.  I think the removable plating doesn't look right in the package and once you fiddle with it, it actually looks pretty decent

The two gripes I have is the removable armor itself and the coloring...it just doesn't look right, almost greenish
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on August 3, 2010, 11:11 PM
I tore mine open, but faced the same dillemma.  I was hanging onto VOTC/VTSC cardbacks for eons but pitched them due to the space they wound up taking up.  

There's SUPPOSED to be a way to lift bubbles off cardbacks with little or no damage to the card itself.  I've heard of it working for different people, using goo-gone, sort of soaking around the bubble, lifting it, and then letting the card dry (which apparantly it dries and doesn't damage it much if at all).

It's interesting really, but I haven't ever tried it.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on August 4, 2010, 04:08 AM
I swore I didn't need them, but I ended up getting the cloud car pilot and the at at commander and I'm glad I did. The level of detail on this wave continues to amaze me.

That cloud car pilot is tiny though!  C3-P0 and him are in a league of their own. I've been pondering a head swap with a Dak for an extra cloud car pilot, as they've both got a skull cap of sorts.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on August 4, 2010, 12:50 PM
Yeah I don't want to tear the packages either for the ones I get. I remember carefully cutting clear cases of the VOTC figs and cutting the bubble so I could put them back together to keep the 'look' decent enough. Just gotta watch for 'repackaged' figs as you KNOW people will buy em, cut em and repack em with older figs and dummies at walmart won't know the difference.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Morgbug on August 4, 2010, 03:53 PM
The two gripes I have is the removable armor itself and the coloring...it just doesn't look right, almost greenish

Echoes of the Japanese "green" C-3PO?  I have one of those, for whatever reason I rationalized it with back in the day.  I wonder if there's a backstory to the green coloration from the POTF2 days in Japan that carried forward to this version?
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on August 4, 2010, 09:47 PM
Nabbed another Dak tonight...

I passed on 3PO.   :-\

I don't think it looks bad, but it's way diminutive compared to others, and that bugs me, plus I don't like the coloring...  It's almost another droid to me, if it weren't for the silver shin.  Not a fig I care for.  Plus 3PO is electro-plated...  I really think the Endor C-3PO is the pinnacle of C-3PO.  I know the BAD figure's a nice sculpt, and I'd take it painted up like 3PO at some point too, but Endor throne 3PO will always have a place on my shelf as the tops.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: John C on August 4, 2010, 11:21 PM
Yeah, I am not buying that hunk of crap 3PO either.  I was at Target today and saw the Legends/Endor 3 PO right next to the Vintage one and the Endor one blows it away.  I can appreciate that they tried something different, but it is ugly.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 5, 2010, 12:10 AM
I really think the Endor C-3PO is the pinnacle of C-3PO. 

Endor Throne 3PO is the definite 3PO of my collection. Let's face it, a vac-metalized 3PO stands out way more than a hunk of gold plastic. And I really don't care much for articulated arms on him, his arms are always at an angle in the films.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jeff on August 5, 2010, 12:13 AM
I opened C-3PO tonight and I like him a lot more than I thought I would.

Ditto.  He's really grown on me now that I have him open and have had a chance to mess with him a bit...

I passed on 3PO.   :-\

I don't think it looks bad, but it's way diminutive compared to others, and that bugs me, plus I don't like the coloring... 

I decided the best place for the new 3PO is in my Medcal Frigate display.  Paired up with Medical Luke and Leia, his smaller stature isn't quite as noticable with them.  I think I'll stick the "smaller" R2 that's coming in that scene too...
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Scott on August 5, 2010, 12:42 AM
Whoever did the Han Echo Base head must be the same person who was doing Luke for the last 5 years up until the Resurgance BP...it is a terrible likeness of Ford and a total regression of where they had the face sculpt.  The sucky thing is with the non standardization on the neck post, swapping for one of the VOTC figures is impossible ::)  The Carbonite Saga2 head looks OK on there and might be where I go with it...not with what they went with

And it again begs my question.  If tooling dollars are that tight...why the hell are you recreating the wheel over and over and over again on head sculpts?    eg Resurgance Luke should be your ANH head for every Luke figure until the end of time...it is maddening

Outside of the Likeness, it is a great figure
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 5, 2010, 09:44 AM
Finally popped all these guys opened, great bunch of figures. The feature that I like about the 3PO, that no one seems to be mentioning, is the fact his right leg comes out to mimic his final scene on the Falcon just before jumping to hyperspace.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on August 5, 2010, 10:02 AM
Although Threepio is a bit too short and the finish is off, it''s kind of interesting to me. I like the removable panels, particularly the one on his back that Chewie works on in the cell.

I like the ewok throne version, but the lack of detail on the hands has always bugged me.

I guess the bottom line is I still don't have my ultimate version of this character.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Brian on August 6, 2010, 11:54 AM
Whoever did the Han Echo Base head must be the same person who was doing Luke for the last 5 years up until the Resurgance BP...it is a terrible likeness of Ford and a total regression of where they had the face sculpt.  The sucky thing is with the non standardization on the neck post, swapping for one of the VOTC figures is impossible ::)  The Carbonite Saga2 head looks OK on there and might be where I go with it...not with what they went with

And it again begs my question.  If tooling dollars are that tight...why the hell are you recreating the wheel over and over and over again on head sculpts?    eg Resurgance Luke should be your ANH head for every Luke figure until the end of time...it is maddening

Outside of the Likeness, it is a great figure

I got a chance to open these up last night, and I'd have to agree.  I think I like the POTJ "Bespin Capture" Han Solo head better than the new one they tried here.  Otherwise, it is a nice effort on a "different" take for a main character like Han - and although I'd have preferred a new Bespin one - I like it for what it is.  I really hope they don't re-use this head on that figure though now.  I agree with Scott about the tooling dollars issue.  There are a lot of nice head sculpts (or for that matter other parts of the figure) that are already perfect as is, and don't need to be redone.  The Resurgence Luke figure is an excellent example of that.

Back to this wave, really nice figures overall I think.  I know many aren't too happy with the lack of "all new" figures, but I think the resculpts (and even repacks) are really nice figures.  I especially like the improvement on Bespin Luke.  I wasn't overly unhappy with the last version (aside from the head), but I think this one blows it away.  Leia and Dengar are very well done as well, and I'm happy to have both of them.  Really, I can't say there is a figure in the wave that I am disappointed in, and I'm really digging the cardbacks.  I think I'm going to try to avoid picking up a carded set of prequel figures, but I might go ahead and try to continue with the OT ones to go along with the previous VOTC/VTSC offerings.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Diddly on August 6, 2010, 01:39 PM
Scored Luke, Dengar and Fett earlier. I should be done buying Bounty Hunters for a long, long time. Luke is a great figure too. LOVE the blaster and improved holster. I'll pick up the rest at some point in the future, I'm trying to spread out my purchases.

I decided I'm passing on both Han and Threepio. I think enough has been said about them but I'm honestly sick of the Han figures with beefed up torsos/arms and the skinny legs. Those legs work with the VOTC Han but I'm not a fan of them showing up anywhere else. I figure by me boycotting that fig, we're that much closer to getting a brand new Han, with an updated holster too.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 6, 2010, 08:11 PM
Found this entire wave of figures minus Boba, Vader, and Luke at a Just For Fun store for $15 each. Uhm, so how much were they again back in the ORIGINAL Vintage days? $1.99? Yeah, $15 doesn't make much sense to me.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on August 6, 2010, 09:07 PM
The reason the new 3PO is kind of appealing to me is because I don't really care much for the vac metal look. I find a lot of the little details get lost in the shiny.

As for Han, still haven't picked him up, but I'm thinking when I do I'm gonna display him with the welding mask on and just look at him as a Hoth technician or something generic like that. I was ho-hum on this figure before I realized he came with the mask, but I love that they included it. Makes him much more unique than, Hoth Han with open coat.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Rob on August 6, 2010, 10:07 PM
I think that for the most part that new Threepio is great... but I do think he's too small.  Which is a shame. 

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: dta151 on August 7, 2010, 02:38 AM
I think the Pre-Trilogy figures will be mostly what I get,just because they have never been in this packaging before,just wish they would have done more characters for ROTS and hopefully a Darth Maul for TPM.The ROTJ wave looks the best so far from the lineup to me though
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on August 8, 2010, 11:40 AM
Took my son to target to use his gift cards from his Bday and he ended up getting IG-88; yeah we had the pervious one but he is in various stages of 'battle damage' LOL.
This one looks pretty much the same except a slightly diff paint wash, compared to the other one, this has a more brown-ish color. The only other diff I noticed is his right leg, the cable running down it on the original went across his leg to the connecter on the outside, this one (or at least mine) the cable and connector are on the inside. May try and turn the lower leg around so the connector is on the outside. The figure stand is nice, has two pegs on it and the game card slides into it on the back. It doesn't stand up but lays flat. THe die is kinda cool but we're calling it a bounty hunter holocron since I doubt we'll play the game as it is. His bag of secret weapons has a battledroid blaster, clone blaster and rifle, small pistol and a concussion launcher and I'm guessing a rebel rifle with a strap.
So one new figure down and a limited list to go. We both agree the 3P0 is just not hitting it, But he def wants Bespin Luke and would have gotten him if he was there. Possibly the at-at driver, dak for our snow speeder. We're waiting for the RotS vintage figs to hit as we both want the Anakin Vader figure, he looks really good and possible the Grevious with cloth cape and lightsaber hilts to go in the pouches.
Oh well, long live Star Wars toys and collecting!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on August 9, 2010, 03:15 PM
Saw this on RS (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Photo_Archive_Update_SeeThreepio_C3POs_Removable_Back_Panel_133137.asp) - a neat little easter egg.  :)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Scott on August 9, 2010, 03:33 PM
Day late and a dollar short! :P

Although Threepio is a bit too short and the finish is off, it''s kind of interesting to me. I like the removable panels, particularly the one on his back that Chewie works on in the cell.

I like the ewok throne version, but the lack of detail on the hands has always bugged me.

I guess the bottom line is I still don't have my ultimate version of this character.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jayson on August 9, 2010, 03:34 PM
Day late and a dollar short! :P

Although Threepio is a bit too short and the finish is off, it''s kind of interesting to me. I like the removable panels, particularly the one on his back that Chewie works on in the cell.

I like the ewok throne version, but the lack of detail on the hands has always bugged me.

I guess the bottom line is I still don't have my ultimate version of this character.

Oopsie.  :P
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: ruiner on August 9, 2010, 03:49 PM
JD REPRESENT!
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 10, 2010, 09:59 AM
I can't get the back panel off for the life of me.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 10, 2010, 03:12 PM
It also appears 3PO can basically come apart everywhere (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TVC/Basic/VC06C3PO/TVC-464.jpg) - including his right knee!

Hmm, it looks like Hasbro put some more work into this than we thought.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Scott on August 10, 2010, 03:22 PM
Day late and a dollar short

Finally popped all these guys opened, great bunch of figures. The feature that I like about the 3PO, that no one seems to be mentioning, is the fact his right leg comes out to mimic his final scene on the Falcon just before jumping to hyperspace.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 10, 2010, 03:25 PM
Oh... uh... well then... ;D

He still comes apart pretty much everywhere! ;D
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 13, 2010, 01:00 AM
I know this already, and I know probably a lot of people already know this too, that the new cardbacks are flimsier/flexible than the older ones, but I find them to be actually quite an improvement over the older, sturdier cardbacks.

I was at a store holding a Cloud Car Pilot, and I accidentally dropped it (typical me ::)) - but, instead of the corner of the packaging fringing and bending and creasing up, the cardback bent only a little bit (without any of those annoying, thin white creases show up), and I was able to re-straighten it. I'm not recommending dropping your MOC-packaging figures (not that anyone would actually do it), but if they were to fall, the flimsier pakaging would actually save it from being severely damaged.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 24, 2010, 02:26 AM
Found this ENTIRE wave at a 100% restocked/reset Target today. I was surprised to see Boba, since he's probably the rarest. And someone made an obvious effort to hide a 4-LOM, which doesn't have to be done since he seems to be the least-wanted figure of the wave. I'm already observing a steady build-up of Hoth Hans; I have a feeling he'll be the pegwarmer of the lot.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 24, 2010, 10:19 AM
Let's use the right terms. Boba is not rare. They made the same amount Boba's as they made 4-LOM's. He's just more popular, hands down.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 24, 2010, 07:22 PM
Let's use the right terms. Boba is not rare. They made the same amount Boba's as they made 4-LOM's. He's just more popular, hands down.

You can use whichever term you prefer, just as I will use the term I prefer. I mean this in all respect. Hasbro may have made the same amount of Boba as 4-LOM and 3PO, but that doesn't mean they all sell the same. Hence, I say Boba is rare because he is hard to find/popular.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 24, 2010, 11:52 PM
To quote Mark Twain "The difference between the right word and the wrong word is the difference between lightening and a lightening bug."
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 25, 2010, 12:17 AM
OK, fair enough. I'm just saying TVC Boba is "rare" because he is - he's a fast seller. Thus, to me, he's rare, because he's hard to find as a quick seller. I'm sure I can't be the only person who uses the term!

Please excuse me if I seem cranky - school during 97-degree weather when "hot" weather here is 75-80 degrees isn't exactly my type of day.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jesse James on August 25, 2010, 02:37 AM
I think Anton's just saying that "rare" implies not many of them exist...  Whereas they exist, they're just being bought.  He's popular and selling well, unlike 4-LOM I guess.  He's become a tough find ironically, though I'm seeing more and more of him so I wouldn't worry about it either.  I figured once WM started resetting and Target started replenishing, things would change as usual.  :)
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: McMetal on August 25, 2010, 10:02 AM
To quote Mark Twain "The difference between the right word and the wrong word is the difference between lightening and a lightening bug."

As long as we're splitting hairs, the actual quote is this:

“The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.”

 ;D
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: 501ST on August 25, 2010, 10:47 AM
Not taking any "side" here though perhaps the term that applies well is 'hard to find' or for the Gen Y net junkies - HTF.

Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Muftak on August 25, 2010, 09:28 PM
So I've been picking these up here and there about one a week since the "official" release date.

Had to pick up the Cloud Car Pilot first. I love it, and the sculpt is very very good...one of the most natural-stance pose looking action figures I've ever seen, really. Just a great figure that I couldn't be happier with (unless, of course, he had been given the good ol' commlink.)

Dack is a nice solid figure as well...though it took a little while looking at him in the store to decide what to buy, as the two on the pegs at the time had very different chest control box paint schemes. I went with one with a little green to it, and have since found out his face paint is a little off. Oh well, he will just keep his helmet on.

Picked up Luke now, and was very surprised to discover he comes apart very easily at the waist ball joint (not something I remember reading anywhere before, but I admit I have been lax lately...) Makes taking the weapons belt off real easy too...maybe I'll have to pick up a second at some point for display as the Dagobah/beltless costume variation...

Looking forward to Leia and ATATCom in the next couple weeks...
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 4, 2010, 10:25 PM
Scored Luke and Dengar! My local Target's already showing signs that it's not gonna be on top of refreshing the shelves every now and then. Which is a shame, since it just put up the new figures about a month ago.

Luke is superbly well-done. I was in a great rush, so I was hasty when picking out the figures (usually I take time to observe paint apps and such). I quickly chose Luke and Dengar, and proceeded to the register, but about halfway I noticed that Luke's eyes looked way too far to the right. I went back to get a new one, but I haven't noticed until like right now that the paint apps on the straps to boots bleed over a lot. Dang it!

Dengar's cool too, but his codpiece wiggles around pretty easily.
Title: Re: 2010 "Vintage" Collection Wave 1 - ESB
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 9, 2010, 01:11 AM
Scored Boba. His rocket backpack seems unpainted (it's too green), but oh well, it's a good figure. I honestly didn't need to buy it because I'm fine with the VOTC ROTJ version, but I did also need an ESB version.