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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => Saga Collection '06 => Topic started by: Jeff on April 21, 2006, 10:47 AM
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From 4-inches.com (http://www.4-inches.de/inhalt/news.htm):
Vintage Basic Figures
Darth Vader (ESB)
Jawa (light-up eyes)
Luke Skywalker Bespin Gear
Princess Leia Endor General
Snow Trooper (Hoth Stormtrooper)
Once again: just a rumor list at this point, nothing officially confirmed, subject to change, yadda yadda, yadda. ;)
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Hope there's more than one Jawa for $12. I would imagine cloth robes also.
SA snowtrooper - excellent.
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Only 5? I wonder if these will have the mail away offer as well. Perhaps an offer for a different figure (Lucas B-Wing Pilot) to make an even dozen.
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Four of those sound really, really good.
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Wonder if that's the OTC Jawas or if it's something new you actually press a button on for the light -up?
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Isn't a Vader a little redundant? We got one in the first VOTC line that they've been using ever since.
Oh wait, it's Hasbro. Never mind.
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Kick ass - I'm guessing the Vader would be a re-release of the exact same thing we already saw - just to get it back onto shelves. They're stupid to not put it on a different card though. I hate to give Hasbro any ideas, but they could put him on a SW or Jedi card and sell more.
I hope it's true - like I keep saying, I hope they put out all of the original vintage figures remade like this - the Snowtrooper is a good idea. Spread out the army building figures 1 per wave and they should be able to keep going for a long time.
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Maybe the Vader will be the pointing version cardback?
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Kick ass - I'm guessing the Vader would be a re-release of the exact same thing we already saw - just to get it back onto shelves. They're stupid to not put it on a different card though. I hate to give Hasbro any ideas, but they could put him on a SW or Jedi card and sell more.
They should base it off the second Jedi card which featured a different picture of him from all of the other versions--including the POTF version, which reverted back to the original photo.
(http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/cfti/C-r-vader-2.jpg)
I'd rather they not do another Vader at all--but I understand if they "have" to.
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If they're going to put out figures for a second time, I hope they start with re-releases that can now go on their first-run cardback. Vader on SW, Boba Fett on SW, Chewie on SW etc...
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I hope this rumor turns out to be true, and this lineup doesn't sound too bad. I'm not crazy for another Vader, but if they changed up the cardback it wouldn't be so bad. Plus, I guess it wouldn't hurt to get it out there again - although I'd rather see another all new figure. The rest of the lineup sounds pretty spiffy though, particularly the Snowtrooper. Hopefully we get something extra with the Jawa to justify the $10-$12 pricetag, but then again, Yoda didn't have anything extra really. I hope this line does continue like this, even if its just 10-12 figures a year. Sometimes I wish this was the only line I collected, it would be easier to keep up :P. The rumors sound good though.
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If they have to start reissuing stuff, I'd much rather they do them with alternate photos when applicable, as opposed to just simple logo changes.
But any vintage-style re-reissues seem really unneccessary to me at this point, no matter what cardback they're on, when there's so many other figures they could be doing instead.
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And just for the hell of it, here's what vintage figures underwent cardback photo changes:
Luke Skywalker (gunner)
*Artoo-Detoo (Sensorscope and blasted on Endor/pop-up lightsaber versions)
Chewbacca (Jedi hair)
*See-Threepio (Removable Limbs)
Darth Vader (pointing)
Ben Kenobi (front shot)
Han Solo (Death Star)
Boba Fett (Skiff)
Leia Bespin (front picture)
Luke Bespin (gun drawn)
Yoda (standing)
So nine of those have already had VOTC releases, one's rumored (Luke Bespin), and one will likely not see a new version for years (Leia Bespin).
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I still want some POTF with Coin issued cardbacks ???
I thought a POTF line would of given us a shot at a Luke Stormtrooper reissue and the Luke Endor reissue everyone has wanted. But with a rumored Luke w/Poncho part of the SAGA line I guess that is not happening.
Hopefully a POTF series would look something like this:
Luke Storm
Barada
Anakin
Imp Dignitary
Yak Face
I can dream I guess
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In that case, why not a list of already released Modern Vintage figures that weren't on their original Cardback, including all four of the wave 1 ROTJ figures:
Chewbacca
Artoo
Boba Fett
Darth Vader
Threepio
Stormtrooper
A POTF wave at some point with coins would be awesome.
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I still want some POTF with Coin issued cardbacks ???
I thought a POTF line would of given us a shot at a Luke Stormtrooper reissue and the Luke Endor reissue everyone has wanted. But with a rumored Luke w/Poncho part of the SAGA line I guess that is not happening.
Hopefully a POTF series would look something like this:
Luke Storm
Barada
Anakin
Imp Dignitary
Yak Face
I can dream I guess
A Luke stormie makes perfect sense for both parties. Hasbro already has the tools (minus the Luke head) and we're dying for a revamped version of Luke in this form.
Last one was the preposed Trash compactor version (with no helmet).
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I really like that list. Those are some of my favorite vintage figures.
Bespin Luke is another all-time favorite of mine, right up there with X-Wing Luke. If they can one-up the Dagobah Luke head sculpt and keep the neck post the same size so those existing heads can be popped on and off it would be great.
A Jawa with electronic eyes and soft goods would be perfectly acceptable at the price point. That feels right. I'd build a small army of them, which I haven't done with any of the other Jawa incarnations.
I have distinct memories of buying and really liking the vintage Endor Leia. I loved the removable helmet and poncho as a kid for some reason. If this list is true and Endor Leia is in the assortment, it's another reason that an updated speederbike is in dire need of release.
Bring on the Snowtrooper. If they hit it as close to the mark as the Biker Scout... 8)
Regarding the Vader, what I really hope to happen is that they are indeed rereleasing the existing figure, and we'll actually see it on the ROTJ or ANH card. I'm ok with logo swaps and getting popular figures from the line back onto shelves. If it can be done in a creative way that stays true to the vintage release pattern I'd be happy. Stormtroopers need a rerelease. I'd even be cool with them taking the EB Kit Chewie and putting him on an ANH card. If we had two waves a year with popular figures reshipped in a vintage-esque way I'd be totally cool with assortments of 4 new/1 re-release.
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As Rob alluded to, a re-release of the VOTC stormtrooper on a SW cardback would make sense for both collectors and army builders.
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As Rob alluded to, a re-release of the VOTC stormtrooper on a SW cardback would make sense for both collectors and army builders.
Yes. I could not agree more. It's always bugged me that the the VOTC Stormie was on a plain-jane ROTJ card when it's original incarnation was on the 12-back.
I still think they need to do a Death Squad Commander...regardless if it's movie-accurate.
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I still want some POTF with Coin issued cardbacks ???
I thought a POTF line would of given us a shot at a Luke Stormtrooper reissue and the Luke Endor reissue everyone has wanted. But with a rumored Luke w/Poncho part of the SAGA line I guess that is not happening.
Hopefully a POTF series would look something like this:
Luke Storm
Barada
Anakin
Imp Dignitary
Yak Face
A $10+ VOTC/VTSC Imperial Dignitary? I'd like to see that one redone too, but only in the basic line.
And I'd love to see a new Anakin done up like the OTC Spirit Ben, but I don't know how in the world they'd be able to do it on a vintage-style card, thanks to Lucas' tinkering with Sebastian/Hayden.
I've always been under the impression that the coins were a potential roadblock in a retro POTF wave. But I've always liked that logo and those cardbacks, and I think it would be great if they could redo them. I think part of the problem, besides the coins, is that a lot of the POTF figures either don't need updating, or would be particularly lame as $10+ retro releases. So what I'd do, is mix up a POTF wave or two with both POTF figures, and older figures that were on POTF cards. Something like this:
Luke Stormtrooper
The Emperor
Gamorrean Guard
Leia Poncho
Barada
Luke Poncho (make it the be-all, end-all, Endor and Death Star II version)
Han Carbonite (still haven't gotten a perfect version, in my opinion)
Still needs a good Imperial army-builder, though--which is kind of tough, as some of them weren't released on POTF cards, and the ones that were have already been redone recently (Stormtrooper, AT-AT Driver, Biker Scout). That leaves the AT-ST Driver, which is a character design that's never done a whole lot for me. But I don't particularly like the idea of $10+ army-builders to begin with, though, so **** it.
In that case, why not a list of already released Modern Vintage figures that weren't on their original Cardback, including all four of the wave 1 ROTJ figures:
Chewbacca
Artoo
Boba Fett
Darth Vader
Threepio
Stormtrooper
Yeah, I see what you mean--I just really don't care about simple logo changes when it comes to retro vintage figures, that's all. That said, I could really go for Chewbacca (with the Early Bird headsculpt) and Artoo on Star Wars cards, as I've never cared for the later photos they went with for the VOTC versions. I guess photos are more important to me than logos--unless we're talking about POTF, which is kind of it's own thing, in my opinion.
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As far as a POTF Dignitary for $10. We're willing to pay that much for a Jawa which has half the material. I would have no problem shelling out $10 for a Sim Dignitary with soft goods. I would pay just for the nostalgic part of it.
I have to agree with people that I was bummed out the first time around with the release of 3PO, R2, Chewie, Vader, Fett and Stormtrooper all on either ESB or Jedi Cards. They should of all been released on there initial cardbacks. If additional cardbacks are the future of repacking the VOTC line I have no problem. Would love a Fett on the Desert Scene card from ROTJ.
Also, does anyone else think there is a realistic chance that Hasbro will eventually start to put unmade Vintage figs on these cards such as Han Stormtrooper? Or Prequel figures like Qui-Gon. I would love for this to happen.
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Also, what is the realistic chance that Hasbro will to eventually start to put unmade Vintage figs on these cards such as Han Stormtrooper? Or Prequel figures like Qui-Gon. I would love for this to happen.
What is with you people and wanting to put Prequel characters on "Vintage" style cards? As I have said many times, to keep with the intent of this line, any Prequel figures given the "Vintage" treatment should be placed on their original cardback, be it Episode One, Power of the Jedi, or Saga. Why anyone would want to insult the original Vintage line and make Prequel characters on those Vintage cardbacks is something I do not understand.
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Sounds pretty good to me, although my expectations for both the Snowtrooper and the jawa are going to be so skyhigh as not to be realistic. And I think they should change up the cards if they're going to rerelease figures. Vader on a SW or ROTJ card, Stormtrooper ditto, etc.
A POTF series might even be a sneaky way of getting some PT figs in there. Think about it... :)
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Also, what is the realistic chance that Hasbro will to eventually start to put unmade Vintage figs on these cards such as Han Stormtrooper? Or Prequel figures like Qui-Gon. I would love for this to happen.
What is with you people and wanting to put Prequel characters on "Vintage" style cards? As I have said many times, to keep with the intent of this line, any Prequel figures given the "Vintage" treatment should be placed on their original cardback, be it Episode One, Power of the Jedi, or Saga. Why anyone would want to completely piss on the original Vintage line and make Prequel characters on those Vintage cardbacks is quite beyond me.
Well unfortuneately SW is a 6 part SAGA and not 3. And the cardbacks would make all the movies flow together in a nice uniform collection. My response to anyone who is against the idea is dont buy them. Heck I did not care for most of the PT but I still want my SA Qui-Gon.
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Hmmm... pretty cool if this all holds true. I agree with those that said another Stormtrooper would be good. Though I'd rather see it on a regualr $5-$6 pricepoint.
:)
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As far as a POTF Dignitary for $10. We're willing to pay that much for a Jawa which has half the material. I would have no problem shelling out $10 for a Sim Dignitary with soft goods. I would pay just for the nostalgic part of it.
They might be smaller, but I find Jawas substantially more interesting as characters and figures than the Dignitary, though. The Jawa was one of the first twelve, and just for that alone is already pretty iconic as far as figures go. Plus, there's the whole vinyl/cloth cape thing--and how wild would it be if Hasbro were to include both with a new Jawa (fat chance, I know)? It'd be like the Blue Snaggletooth they did a couple years ago--a nice little nod to their history.
The Dignitary, on the other hand, was one of the dullest characters of the vintage line, though, in my opinion. I don't even know if I remember where exactly he is in the film. I wouldn't mind seeing a new one, if only to knock him off the "vintage figures that haven't been redone" list, and he's actually on my Top Ten Jedi want list, even. But the dignitaries they did a couple years ago sat on the pegs for months, and they were only $5 basic figures. I can't imagine how big a pegwarmer a new one would be for double that price. In all my years of collecting this line, never once have I ever even thought about wanting a super-articulated Imperial Dignitary figure.
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A $10+ VOTC/VTSC Imperial Dignitary? I'd like to see that one redone too, but only in the basic line.
In a heartbeat! Imagine a posable dignitary with a realistic looking sculpt under a (not too puffy) purple robe with a removable hat. Then put him on retro packaging and throw in a collector's coin and I'd drop $10.00 without thinking twice.
It would be ******* awesome.
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Well, now that you put it that way, I might change my mind about the whole deal. Besides, then I could finally make my custom Perry Farrell figure that I've always wanted. . .
(http://www.starwars.jp/character/image/sim_aloo.jpg)(http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/29/mroom.farrell/story.2.farrell.jpg)
Separated at birth, Star Wars-style?
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I'll pass on the SA Snowie 'since I already have the TSC version... But SA Jawa! I'm sold!
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I have my fingers cross on the SA Snowtrooper and Jawa if made I am sold on them. I have been waiting for a SA Snowtrooper forever. That Vader (ESB) could be the Evolutions Vader on a ROTJ card. ;) just guessing and maybe they should repack EB Chewie on the SW card and Stormtrooper on the SW card. ;D
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They should make plastic cape and cloth cape variants of the Jawa!
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Not feeling another Vader, wish it was someone else.
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If true, I'll get everything but Vader since Evolutions Vader suits me just fine. Only way I'll buy it is if it has the 2 piece removeable helmet.
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From 4-inches.com (http://www.4-inches.de/inhalt/news.htm):
Vintage Basic Figures
Darth Vader (ESB)
Jawa (light-up eyes)
Luke Skywalker Bespin Gear
Princess Leia Endor General
Snow Trooper (Hoth Stormtrooper)
Once again: just a rumor list at this point, nothing officially confirmed, subject to change, yadda yadda, yadda. ;)
Kinda bummed they still aren't rounding out the first 12 vinty figures. Close, but not quite there. I hardly see Leia General needing this treatment and getting placed ahead of a Death Squad Commander (even though that figure could live without SA as well). Digging the snowtrooper though, that would be great.
I'm ok with another Vader, especially if they change the cardback as an homage to the vintage switch.
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They should make plastic cape and cloth cape variants of the Jawa!
And an ESB carded Vinyl caped Jawa chase figure.
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If true Im really looking forward to the Jawa(hopefully Jawas) and the SA Snowtrooper.
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From 4-inches.com (http://www.4-inches.de/inhalt/news.htm):
Vintage Basic Figures
Darth Vader (ESB)
Jawa (light-up eyes)
Luke Skywalker Bespin Gear
Princess Leia Endor General
Snow Trooper (Hoth Stormtrooper)
Once again: just a rumor list at this point, nothing officially confirmed, subject to change, yadda yadda, yadda. ;)
Kinda bummed they still aren't rounding out the first 12 vinty figures. Close, but not quite there. I hardly see Leia General needing this treatment and getting placed ahead of a Death Squad Commander (even though that figure could live without SA as well). Digging the snowtrooper though, that would be great.
I'm ok with another Vader, especially if they change the cardback as an homage to the vintage switch.
Im disappointed as well for not finishing up the first 12. The Death Squad Commander was my favorite back in the day. Probably because it was such hard figure to track down. I remember searching everywhere with my parents for months. Even back then I loved the hunt.
Plus I really want to finish off the Modern Early Bird Backdrop.
Regarding releasing some figs over. I would take the Early Bird Chewie on the SW card since the first one released does have the ROTJ sculpt.
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Theoretical question:
If you're Hasbro, and are preparing a retro vintage Death Star Commander for release, do you call it by it's original name of Death Squad Commander? Or do you go with the more-PC Death Star Commander name?
Likewise, if you're doing new releases of Zuckuss and/or 4-LOM, do you switch the names or not?
I'm curious as to exactly how faithful to the vintage line Hasbro would be when it comes to these particular issues.
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I really like the idea of a Death Star Trooper or Death Squad Commander... I think that would be one of my most sought after figures...
Also I wonder if they might revisit Wicket in this line too someday?
I would think also that a Death Star Droid could be a possiblity?
Also I guess I'm rambing here... but I'd really like to see a Gamorrean Guard in this style too. Not so much for the packaging but hopefully for a nice SA version.
:)
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Death Squad Commander for sure. Forget that P.C. Death Star Commander bull****.
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(http://www.starwars.jp/character/image/sim_aloo.jpg)(http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/29/mroom.farrell/story.2.farrell.jpg)
Separated at birth, Star Wars-style?
;D Perry Ferrell - Imperial Stooge
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I don't think the Death Squad Commander would be such a big deal for Hasbro now (they did release a figure last year that featured three severed limbs and third degree burns over 100% of his body). It would be kind of neat if they released 4-LOM and Zuckuss with their original, mistaken names. The funny thing, Hasbro has us engaged in the possibilites of this line, which is likely what they wanted; the sky is the limit (including the price, unfortunately).
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Personally, I'm hoping that the Vader will NOT be another ESB version and instead will be a ROTJ version with (keeping fingers crossed) a 2-piece helmet.
The Evolutions Set Vader is far superior to the first VOTC Vader so even if they just shipped the Evo Vader on the ROTJ card I'd be happy. But for sure I want the card to be new.
What will stink is if with these five you can send away for a sixth figure as well. It would be nice and calming if the offer was the same (Lucastrooper) but if they do that, it will be for a completely different figure. So if it's new, it will stink to have to get so many copies of the same Vader we already have.
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Personally, I'm hoping that the Vader will NOT be another ESB version and instead will be a ROTJ version with (keeping fingers crossed) a 2-piece helmet.
to get so many copies of the same Vader we already have.
IMO that would open up a big can of worms. That wasn't a figure that came out in the 70's/80's so then it's not really a new-school 'vintage' item. I'd prefer that they leave the things that didn't come out back in the original days to the NEW lines and save this (so far perfect) line for the high-quality resculpts of the figures that were originally on these cardbacks.
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IMO that would open up a big can of worms. That wasn't a figure that came out in the 70's/80's so then it's not really a new-school 'vintage' item. I'd prefer that they leave the things that didn't come out back in the original days to the NEW lines and save this (so far perfect) line for the high-quality resculpts of the figures that were originally on these cardbacks.
So because the vintage Vader was never released with a removeable helmet a VOTC/VTSC version can't be?
Please don't think I'm trying to start an argument, but for example - no versions of Han Solo in the vintage line EVER came with a working holster - yet both the ANH VOTC Han and the ROTJ VTSC Han have a working holster. Same thing with Greedo - he didn't even have a holster sculpted to the leg. How about the X-Wing pilot Luke? The vintage figure didn't have a removeable lightsaber hilt that plugged into a socket on the figure. The vintage Biker Scout's ankle holster didn't work as a holster either.
What I'm getting is that so far, many of the figures have functional extras that go beyond articulation and detail that the vintage figures never had. So why couldn't one of the function features of a VTSC ROTJ Darth Vader be that it has a removeable helmet?
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I'm a little worried of how a VTSC Jawa would turn out. Seems that such a small scale figure can't look right with soft goods. Maybe they'll make the tall one with the 2 colored robes! They wouldn't do it, but they should include a multi-armed treadwell or domed droid with him.
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IMO that would open up a big can of worms. That wasn't a figure that came out in the 70's/80's so then it's not really a new-school 'vintage' item. I'd prefer that they leave the things that didn't come out back in the original days to the NEW lines and save this (so far perfect) line for the high-quality resculpts of the figures that were originally on these cardbacks.
So because the vintage Vader was never released with a removeable helmet a VOTC/VTSC version can't be?
Please don't think I'm trying to start an argument, but for example - no versions of Han Solo in the vintage line EVER came with a working holster - yet both the ANH VOTC Han and the ROTJ VTSC Han have a working holster. Same thing with Greedo - he didn't even have a holster sculpted to the leg. How about the X-Wing pilot Luke? The vintage figure didn't have a removeable lightsaber hilt that plugged into a socket on the figure. The vintage Biker Scout's ankle holster didn't work as a holster either.
What I'm getting is that so far, many of the figures have functional extras that go beyond articulation and detail that the vintage figures never had. So why couldn't one of the function features of a VTSC ROTJ Darth Vader be that it has a removeable helmet?
After reading your rationale, I can say that if they hadn't already done a VOTC Vader, I'd probably be inclined to agree with you.
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Theoretical question:
If you're Hasbro, and are preparing a retro vintage Death Star Commander for release, do you call it by it's original name of Death Squad Commander? Or do you go with the more-PC Death Star Commander name?
Likewise, if you're doing new releases of Zuckuss and/or 4-LOM, do you switch the names or not?
I'm curious as to exactly how faithful to the vintage line Hasbro would be when it comes to these particular issues.
I think people would survive Death squad commander just fine with no repurcussions. That said, it wouldn't come out that way, it will be the the Death Star Commander simply because of the era we seem to be in. But I'll live with either, so long as they round out the first twelve. Like Jim, I want to finish that first 12 modern era stuff; I have a second vintage display platform for just that reason. It would be fine with Lando or Boba Fett, but I'd love to display the vintage 12 beside the VOTC 12 instead. I'd be happier with Death Squad but would be fine with Death Star.
I think Spuffy has a valid point, but I just don't see Hasbro risking it. Here's to hoping I'm wrong about that.
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I'm a little worried of how a VTSC Jawa would turn out. Seems that such a small scale figure can't look right with soft goods. Maybe they'll make the tall one with the 2 colored robes! They wouldn't do it, but they should include a multi-armed treadwell or domed droid with him.
I think Kenner did soft goods on the vintage Jawa just fine. hasbro doesn't seem to be as skilled at it, for some reason. And as far as these figs having features the vintage ones didn't, I don't think a continuing VTSC line can support an exact reproduction of the original line of figures. There has to be something 'new' about it (and like Pete said, these figs already betray the vintage concept in just their articulation) and new features, new figs, and so on will probably be the way to do it.
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Hmmm... on the whole Death Squad/Death Star thing, to me in the long run all that matters is that we get well sculpted/articulated version of him. I do think that Death Squad is possible though (is that what was on the orginal package?)
(http://www.toyarchive.com/STAForSale/NEW2001+/StarWars/Vintage/ESBDeathSquadCommander1a.jpg)
And doesn't the new VSTC Tusken say "Sand People" on it? So I think they're more than safe there, regardless of what people might claim they are offended (which I think they do just for attention anyway).
Hmmm... what others guys? I love thinking of this type of stuff.
:)
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I think Kenner did soft goods on the vintage Jawa just fine. hasbro doesn't seem to be as skilled at it, for some reason. And as far as these figs having features the vintage ones didn't, I don't think a continuing VTSC line can support an exact reproduction of the original line of figures. There has to be something 'new' about it (and like Pete said, these figs already betray the vintage concept in just their articulation) and new features, new figs, and so on will probably be the way to do it.
It's no secret that I disagree with the second half of your statement about the line needing to deviate from the original run, but as for the softgoods - Hasbro's been hit or miss IMO. For every Puffy Coat Obi-Wan or Sandtrooper, there's been a princes leia with a nice flexible white gown (see Hooded Commtech Chip). The Evolutions Softgoods on the Anakin and Sith Lord sets were great. They just need to use the right materials - ones that don't take their own shape. It's worked pretty well for many figures and can work pretty easily for the jawas if they just pick the right material and cut it tight enough.
Getting Qui-Gon Jinn or a Biggs or other non vintage figures onto shelves is what the regular TSC line is for. Otherwise, why even bother making this thing special and calling it vintage and reproduce original cards. It loses what makes it great IMO if you start fudging around with it.
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I do agree there with Zod (can I still call you that ;) ) that the VOTC/VSTC line should be reserved for their vintage counterparts. For a while I wanted to see prequels like this too... but if it takes Evolutions sets to get that quality so maybe that's the route to take (just an idea).
:)
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I can see it both ways. What's more exciting to me as a lifelong collector is the idea of figs like Tarkin, Wedge, or Slave Leia on 'vintage' cards -- PT I could live without (but wouldn't mind) -- but I see where people are coming from.
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Regarding people not wanting unmade OT figs or PT figs on retro cards. Has everyone already forgotten that the Lucas on Vintage card has already messed up that whole logic ???
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At least it's some crap mail-away and not part of the wave - but you're right. I'd have much rather it had been an Ghost of Anakin (old anakin) mail-away or some such thing.
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I'm up for all except Vader unless they use a re-hash of the Evo version.
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It's no secret that I disagree with the second half of your statement about the line needing to deviate from the original run, but as for the softgoods - Hasbro's been hit or miss IMO. For every Puffy Coat Obi-Wan or Sandtrooper, there's been a princes leia with a nice flexible white gown (see Hooded Commtech Chip). The Evolutions Softgoods on the Anakin and Sith Lord sets were great. They just need to use the right materials - ones that don't take their own shape. It's worked pretty well for many figures and can work pretty easily for the jawas if they just pick the right material and cut it tight enough.
Hey Rob - when you mention the Sandtrooper above are you referring to the new VTSC one? I have three of those opened and the soft goods on them are great. Maybe you meant the one that came with the Bantha many moons ago...
I know the VTSC figure looks not-so-good in the VTSC packaging, but once you open him up and adjust the cloak, the figure looks great.
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Yeah, I meant Sandpeople - not Sandtrooper. I have one open, and it's not as bad as the initial pictures made it look, but it's still too rigid and puffy IMO.
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Yeah, I meant Sandpeople - not Sandtrooper. I have one open, and it's not as bad as the initial pictures made it look, but it's still too rigid and puffy IMO.
You're right there is a slight bit of puffy-ness.
What I found when posing each one is that if I have a tug to the back of the cloak at the bottom, the puffy-ness goes away somewhat and it looks just like robes flowing off the character.
Soft goods seems to be a double edged sword with the modern line, Hasbro definitely has had a lot more "misses" as opposed to "hits" when using it.
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I'm quite concerned with the continuation of the "vintage" assortments from Hasbro. While they have made some quality figures and I have been guilty of buying them all, I feel long-term they are more of a detriment than a plus for us collectors.
With the quality put into these figures, we have seen a decline in the basic figure assortments that just should not be. If you've read any of Jesse's reviews, you'll note how things like articulation and detail have been reduced in the TSC 2006 (compared to ROTS 2005) at the $6 pricepoint, however they're available at the $10-$12 pricepoint when these "vintage" figures could easily be placed in the TSC line. What's worse is that I believe we as collectors have shown Hasbro that we accept this line with open arms and as such they will not be inclined to place the quality in the "vintage" line back into the basic line. We're willing to pay $10-$12 for a figure we should be paying no more than half for, so why would they stop?
This rumor list includes an "SA Snowtrooper." Why couldn't this be in the TSC basic line instead of the custom figure we got? Because Hasbro knows they can milk us for twice the price when putting these guys out in the "vintage" line. Perhaps Adam Pawlus has said it best when he says (and I'm paraphrasing here), that collectors do not know what's best for the toy line or the hobby. :-\
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Well, you can put me down for this:
0 x Darth Vader (ESB)
5 x Jawa (light-up eyes)
1 x Luke Skywalker Bespin Gear
1 x Princess Leia Endor General
15 x Snow Trooper (Hoth Stormtrooper)
I have no interest in another Vader whatsover, in any way, shape, or form. He's been done absolutely to death, I don't see what else we can possibly ask for with this figure.
Jawas are always fine. A 2 pack would be nice, that'd be a surprise.
Luke, okay. 3 waves, 3 Lukes.
Leia we desperately need. The previous endor versions are pretty sad.
This sounds like the snowtrooper we've all been waiting for. Now all they have to do is the same thing for the Hoth Rebel.
Need photos to comment further.
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I'm quite concerned with the continuation of the "vintage" assortments from Hasbro. While they have made some quality figures and I have been guilty of buying them all, I feel long-term they are more of a detriment than a plus for us collectors.
With the quality put into these figures, we have seen a decline in the basic figure assortments that just should not be. If you've read any of Jesse's reviews, you'll note how things like articulation and detail have been reduced in the TSC 2006 (compared to ROTS 2005) at the $6 pricepoint, however they're available at the $10-$12 pricepoint when these "vintage" figures could easily be placed in the TSC line. What's worse is that I believe we as collectors have shown Hasbro that we accept this line with open arms and as such they will not be inclined to place the quality in the "vintage" line back into the basic line. We're willing to pay $10-$12 for a figure we should be paying no more than half for, so why would they stop?
This rumor list includes an "SA Snowtrooper." Why couldn't this be in the TSC basic line instead of the custom figure we got? Because Hasbro knows they can milk us for twice the price when putting these guys out in the "vintage" line. Perhaps Adam Pawlus has said it best when he says (and I'm paraphrasing here), that collectors do not know what's best for the toy line or the hobby. :-\
I know what you mean. But I think the Lava Darth Vader is really the figure that got all this going. They saw that adult collectors were more than willing to jump through hoops AND pay inflated prices for a "special" figure. We are screwed now. The thing is if you really want the figure you will have to cave in an pay the $12. Sucks. But that is the way it is now. I don't like it either but it's either that or not pay at all.
The thing is that you would think Hasbro could figure out that if you lower the price the more you actually sell and make even more profit than jacking up the price. It has worked well for a little company called Wal-Mart.
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You can put me down for this:
0 x Darth Vader (ESB)
1 x Jawa (light-up eyes)
0 x Luke Skywalker Bespin Gear
0 x Princess Leia Endor General
0 x Snow Trooper (Hoth Stormtrooper)
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I'm curious about this:
I'll pass on the SA Snowie 'since I already have the TSC version... But SA Jawa! I'm sold!
You can put me down for this:
0 x Snow Trooper (Hoth Stormtrooper)
Okay.
But then there's this, from the Empire Top Ten thread:
1. SA Snowtrooper w/ SG Kama, E-11, and Macrobinoculars
Help me understand.
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5 new VTSC figures coming out and he only wants 1 total figure, that being a jawa. That pretty much looks like a $ issue Virex. After all, we are being hit up for almost double, for what really should be the standard in the basic 3 3/4" line.
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Well, for me personally, this will probably be what I get:
2 x Darth Vader (ESB)
5 x Jawa (light-up eyes)
2 x Luke Skywalker Bespin Gear
2 x Princess Leia Endor General
5 x Snow Trooper (Hoth Stormtrooper)
Unless they have a giveaway for another 6th figure with that wave as well, then the Vader, Luke and Leia will jump to 3x each. Basically it will be a similar pattern to what I had to do with VTSC Wave 1
3x Greedo
5x Tusken Raider
3x X-Wing Luke
3x Han in Trenchcoat
5x Biker Scout
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5 new VTSC figures coming out and he only wants 1 total figure, that being a jawa.
Yes, I picked up on that already, but thanks anyway, Matt.
That pretty much looks like a $ issue Virex. After all, we are being hit up for almost double, for what really should be the standard in the basic 3 3/4" line.
Oh, I agree completely, and I think it's a shame that they're cutting super-articulation out of the basic line, and putting it in these $10+ figures. And I think doing it with army-builders is even worse.
More:
This is from the New Hope wishlist thread:
7. SA Jawa w/ Soft Goods and Ion Rifle
So, a new Jawa is this guy's seventh most-wanted figure from A New Hope, but the only one he wants out of these five new potential figures. Okay, I can kind of buy that, since there's not anymore New Hope figures in this rumored wave.
But at the same time he's putting a SA Snowtrooper on the top of his Empire wishlist, he's in this thread, saying he's not interested in the SA Snowtrooper, all because he's already got the BA (barely-articulated) Snowtrooper from the Hoth wave.
I'm not trying to browbeat the guy, just trying to follow the logic.
I mean, I want my figures as articulated as possible, and as inexpensible as possible, too (hell, I think we all do), but at this point, I'll take what I can get. And if that means having to pay a premium for one of my most-wanted figures, well, so be it. 'Cause, between having a $10 SA Snowtrooper in some "collector's" packaging, and not having a SA Snowtrooper at all, ever, I'll take the $10 version, you know?
Because like a wise, Chicagoland high school principal once said, "between grief, and nothing. . . I'll take grief?"
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Well, you can put me down for this:
0 x Darth Vader (ESB)
5 x Jawa (light-up eyes)
1 x Luke Skywalker Bespin Gear
1 x Princess Leia Endor General
15 x Snow Trooper (Hoth Stormtrooper)
That looks a lot like my list, but make it two lukes and two leias - and also put a question mark next to Darth vader - it's going to depend on if it's the same EXACT thing or not.
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With the quality put into these figures, we have seen a decline in the basic figure assortments that just should not be. If you've read any of Jesse's reviews, you'll note how things like articulation and detail have been reduced in the TSC 2006 (compared to ROTS 2005) at the $6 pricepoint, however they're available at the $10-$12 pricepoint when these "vintage" figures could easily be placed in the TSC line.
It costs a lot more to manufacture a toy with 18 joints than it does a toy with 5 joints. Add rising oil costs (oil is used not only for distribution but to make plastic) and give it the spiffy collector's packaging, and $10.00 honestly isn't unreasonable.
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Hmm, if this really turns out to be accurate information I'd be quite happy I think. Bespin Luke and Endor Leia would be definates, and I'd try to get my hands on the Snowtrooper and Jawas as well. Vader... if he's a VOTC rerelease I can do without, but if they did something smart and used an evolutions Vader or a retooled Evolutions Vader, I might buy one if I had the money.
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It costs a lot more to manufacture a toy with 18 joints than it does a toy with 5 joints. Add rising oil costs (oil is used not only for distribution but to make plastic) and give it the spiffy collector's packaging, and $10.00 honestly isn't unreasonable.
The only issue I have with that though is that Hasbro does issue similarly articulated figs in the basic line (Pilot Obi, for example, the #41 clone and all its repaints) at the basic price point. If we're paying more for the packaging, okay, but I can't believe the difference in cost between a fig with 14 POA and 18 is 3 bucks.
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If they want to save on oil they should do it with hologram figures.
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But I didn't say that. ;)
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I had to wait until this morning to check out the website to see the list of figures myself...Rob called me on Friday and had me going crazy cuz I wanted to check online, but couldn't......
Wow. This would be great news.
I can see commiting early to a dozen Snowtroopers, a dozen Jawas, a few Luke Bespins, a few Leia Endors and 1 Vader
I don't have any expectations of a 2 pack of Jawas. They were sold as singles back in the day, to keep with the theme, it SHOULD be just one. The fact that they (possibly) have tricked it up with electronic lights scares me a bit. VOTC or VTSC should be as free from gimmicky action features as possible, it is a dangerous precedent.
If "Wave 2" is true though that would give us the following totals for this YEAR:
A New Hope Figs: 4
Greedo
Sand People
Luke X-Wing
Jawa
Empire Strikes Back: 3
Snowtrooper
Luke Bespin
Darth Vader
Return of the Jedi: 3
Endor Han
Endor Leia
Biker Scout
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Another example of a basic figure being close to the VTSC level of quality is the recent AT-AT Driver. Add ankle joints, a ball jointed waist/chest articulation point and change the elbows from cut joints to ball joints and that figure could easily be part of the VTSC line.
It almost makes you wonder what the criteria is for how a figure gets on the VOTC/VTSC list.
Personally, every OT trooper has already been done. If they make another/updated version, I would PREFER they put it in the VTSC line - and I do buy multiples of the $10 army builders so I'm in the same boat as everyone else on that regard.
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The only issue I have with that though is that Hasbro does issue similarly articulated figs in the basic line (Pilot Obi, for example, the #41 clone and all its repaints) at the basic price point. If we're paying more for the packaging, okay, but I can't believe the difference in cost between a fig with 14 POA and 18 is 3 bucks.
Rarely. And the #41 clone is most definitely an exception, because what they might lose on sculpt, they can make up for on volume - by repainting it and reselling it over and over again. They've already done so at least 4 different times by my count (Gree, Utapau, Regular, and Shock) and they'll probably do so again.
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I would buy a Jawa or two if they have arm and leg articulation. Waist, elbow, knee and wrist articulation would be nice, but I don't knnow how easy it is for them to do that on a small figure. A cloth cloak and a blaster would be expected. The Bespin Luke from Saga and OTC would be good if they retooled it without the action feature and lame button. Some added articulation would be good, too. A lit saber, an unlight saber that can attach to his belt and a working holster for his blaster are must haves. The Leia with a removable helmet and poncho along with a working holster for her blaster and super articulation would make this figure perfect. The Hoth Stormtrooper needs to be s.a. and come with a cloth skirt, and long and short blaster rifles. I really don't need the Vader unless he is different somehow.
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Theoretical question:
If you're Hasbro, and are preparing a retro vintage Death Star Commander for release, do you call it by it's original name of Death Squad Commander? Or do you go with the more-PC Death Star Commander name?
This will come as a shock to many of you, I'm sure, but man, I'm an idiot.
For some unknown reason, I've been under the impression for years that when they changed the Death Squad Commander's name, they changed it to "Death Star Commander."
While doing some (what I like to call) "research" just now, I discovered that there was never any "Death Star Commander" at all, and the name they switched to was "Star Destroyer Commander."
I've been wrong, all this time! I don't know why I thought that. Must have either read it somewhere, or my brain played a little trick on me or something. And, the figure's never been one of my favorites, and I've never gotten into vintage carded collecting, so I guess I've just never paid that much attention.
For what it's worth, though, I still think "Death Star Commander" is a better name than either of the two real ones.
So I guess the more-appropriate question would be, if you're Hasbro, do you keep it as Death Squad Commander, or go with Star Destroyer Commander? (DSC - SW and ESB cards; SDC - ESB and ROTJ cards)
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I'd hope that they would call it Death Squad Commander - but if I were a betting man, and knowing how Hasbro works, I'd guess that they go with Star Destroyer Commander.
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If this turns out to be true, I'll be certainly justified in not armybuilding with that sub-par Saga Snowtrooper.
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OK as a bit of information...
On the case (box) that I got from Target, there is no Mention of the "Wave 1" language as has been rumored on the Net. I'll get a picture of it if I get a chance.
IT is a Target specific box. It has Target stores printed on it, with DCPI info.
The interesting part is that I have box #2944 of 3200. So I wonder if that means that Target got 6400 Biker Scouts...the 2944 is in Marker, the 3200 is printed.
I still hope Wave 2 is true. I'd love to dump that Bespin Luke from a few years ago.
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On the case (box) that I got from Target, there is no Mention of the "Wave 1" language as has been rumored on the Net. I'll get a picture of it if I get a chance.
I'll save you the trouble - one of the guys in the MN area posted it a while back:
(http://www.ryan-adriene.com/Display/votc02.jpg)
If you notice the side of the box it indicates that this is carton 1092 of 3200. So I am not sure if Target only is getting 3200 cases of these toys or not.
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The 3200 is the initial order placed by Target Corp. so 3200 cases were manufactured. If Target places another order for these, which they probably have, the "out of"number will reflect that. Such a low number would mean that each store would at most get 2 cases if every store gets them. I worked for Target for 3 years and never undestood their ordering.
On another note...Excuess Me... SA SNOWTROOPER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am clearing a shelf out today for the army.
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I could care less about some dumb Jawa...but here's my concern: why would Hasbro rerelease the crappy Snowtrooper if they were going to go ahead and make an SA one later that year? makes no sense...
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I could care less about some dumb Jawa...but here's my concern: why would Hasbro rerelease the crappy Snowtrooper if they were going to go ahead and make an SA one later that year? makes no sense...
Because it cost them very little since the tooling was all already there - and we gobbled them up, and THEN word came out that a SA VTSC Snowtrooper was on the horizon (theoretically) which we'll gobble up as well.
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I could care less about some dumb Jawa...but here's my concern: why would Hasbro rerelease the crappy Snowtrooper if they were going to go ahead and make an SA one later that year? makes no sense...
Why are we buying a snowtrooper on the new Saga cards when we saw a snowtrooper on the old Saga cards? Because they put it out there for us and we buy it. Improving it, giving it great articulation and a snazzy cardback means it's "new". Ergo, like good little sheep (myself included) we all go baaaaaaaa.
As for the Jawa, well, my hope is they do a vinyl cape version and no cloth cape version. Sure, it wouldn't be as much fun or near as cool to army build with as a well done cloth caped version, but I'd prefer the vintage nod myself. As to why they're doing it, simply because it was one of the first twelve. The more pressing question is whether the light up eyes will be accomplished in a manner similar to the first POTF2 version or something a little better and electronic a la the later versions of the electronic R2-D2s.
For some unknown reason, I've been under the impression for years that when they changed the Death Squad Commander's name, they changed it to "Death Star Commander."
While doing some (what I like to call) "research" just now, I discovered that there was never any "Death Star Commander" at all, and the name they switched to was "Star Destroyer Commander."
Jeez, I've no idea if I've just been using a wrong name all along as well. Probably is the case for me too :-[ Thanks for pointing it out. I'd still really love to see this one done, whatever they call it, to round out the first 12, as I've said numerous times before.
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Hasbro ALWAYS puts out something better after you've bought some flawed version of a character. It used to make me so mad, especially during the AOTC line; a fig was rendered obsolete in mere months. That's why I've gotten into this habit in the last few years of just holding off on certain figures. The Snowtrooper, for one, and Wedge, certainly, who one day will get a figure worthy of him.
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I was just thinking what would be some good choices for a Wave 6 and 7 in 2007
What I have below is what I feel are the ultimate versions of the figures released, these cannot be surpassed outside of adding an additional joint or possible hit/miss soft goods
Star Wars
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) 2004 VOTC
Chewbacca 2004 VOTC
Luke Skywalker 2004 VOTC
Princess Leia Organa 2004 VOTC
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi 2004 VOTC
Darth Vader 2004 VOTC
Han Solo 2004 VOTC
See-Threepio (C-3PO) 2004 VOTC
Stormtrooper / Imperial Stormtrooper 2004 VOTC
Death Squad Commander / Star Destroyer Commander
Jawa Rumored Wave 2006
Sand People / Sandpeople / Tusken Raider (Sand People) 2006 VTSC
Greedo 2006 VTSC
Hammerhead 2006 Standard TSC
Snaggletooth
Walrus Man
Arfive-Defour (R5-D4) 2006 Standard TSC
Death Star Droid
Luke Skywalker (X-Wing Pilot) / Luke Skywalker (X-Wing Fighter Pilot) 2006 VTSC
Power Droid
Boba Fett
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
Bossk (Bounty Hunter) 2003 SAGA
Bespin Security Guard (I)
FX-7 (Medical Droid) POTJ Version
Han Solo (Hoth Outfit) / Han Solo (Hoth Battle Gear)
IG-88 (Bounty Hunter) POTJ Version
Imperial Stormtrooper (Hoth Battle Gear) Rumored 2006 VSTC
Lando Calrissian 2004 VOTC
Luke Skywalker (Bespin Fatigues) Rumored 2006 VSTC
Leia Organa (Bespin Gown) / Princess Leia Organa (Bespin Gown) 2004 OTC
Rebel Soldier (Hoth Battle Gear)
Yoda / Yoda The Jedi Master 2004 VOTC
Dengar 2003 SAGA
Han Solo (Bespin Outfit) / Han Solo (Cloud City Outfit)
Lobot / Lobot (Lando's Aid) 2004 OTC
Ugnaught
AT-AT Driver 2006 Standard TSC
Leia / Leia Organa / Princess Leia Organa (Hoth Outfit)
Imperial Commander
Rebel Commander
2-1B/ Two-Onebee (2-1B)/ Too-Onebee (2-1B)
AT-AT Commander/ General Veers 2006 Standard TSC
Luke Skywalker (Hoth Battle Gear) / Luke Skywalker (Hoth Outfit)
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) / R2-D2 (With Periscope) 2006 Standard TSC
Bespin Security Guard (II)
Cloud Car Pilot / (Twin Pod) Cloud Car Pilot 2004 OTC
4-LOM
See-Threepio (C-3PO) With Removable limbs
Imperial TIE Fighter Pilot 2003 SAGA
Zuckuss
RETURN OF THE JEDI
Admiral Ackbar
Lando Calrissian (Skiff Guard Disguise) 2003 SAGA
Nien Nunb
Bib Fortuna 2006 Standard TSC
Biker Scout 2006 VTSC
Chief Chirpa 2006 Standard TSC
Emperor's Royal Guard EpIII Release
Gamorrean Guard
General Madine 2004 OTC
Klaatu
Logray (Ewok Medicine Man)
Luke Skywalker (Jedi Knight Outfit) SAGA 2003
Princess Leia Organa (Boushh Disguise) / Boushh 2006 Standard TSC
Rebel Commando
Ree-Yees
Squid Head
Weequay
8D8
Klaatu (In Skiff Guard Outfit) / Klaatu (Skiff Guard Outfit)
Nikto
The Emperor Sith Evolutions/EpIII
AT-ST Driver
B-Wing Pilot
Han Solo (In Trench Coat) 2006 VTSC
Princess Leia Organa (In Combat Poncho) Rumored 2006 VTSC
Pruneface
Rancor Keeper POTF2 Version
Teebo
Wicket W. Warrick
Lumat
Paploo
POWER OF THE FORCE
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop Up Lightsaber
A-Wing Pilot
Han Solo (In Carbonite Chamber) 2006 Standard TSC
Imperial Dignitary
Imperial Gunner 2006 Standard TSC
Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit)
Anakin Skywalker
Amanaman POTJ Version
Barada
EV-9D9
Lando Calrissian (General Pilot) 2003 SAGA Version
Luke Skywalker (In Battle Poncho)
Romba
Warok
Yak Face
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Trying to keep things separate...IMHO here's who could possibly be left
The reason I left Boba in is that I could see a rerelease in ESB paint scheme instead of the ROTJ version
Star Wars
Death Squad Commander / Star Destroyer Commander
Snaggletooth
Walrus Man
Death Star Droid
Power Droid
Boba Fett
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
Bespin Security Guard (I)
Han Solo (Hoth Outfit) / Han Solo (Hoth Battle Gear)
Rebel Soldier (Hoth Battle Gear)
Han Solo (Bespin Outfit) / Han Solo (Cloud City Outfit)
Ugnaught
Leia / Leia Organa / Princess Leia Organa (Hoth Outfit)
Imperial Commander
Rebel Commander
2-1B/ Two-Onebee (2-1B)/ Too-Onebee (2-1B)
Luke Skywalker (Hoth Battle Gear) / Luke Skywalker (Hoth Outfit)
Bespin Security Guard (II)
4-LOM
See-Threepio (C-3PO) With Removable limbs
Zuckuss
RETURN OF THE JEDI
Admiral Ackbar
Nien Nunb
Gamorrean Guard
Klaatu
Logray (Ewok Medicine Man)
Rebel Commando
Ree-Yees
Squid Head
Weequay
8D8
Klaatu (In Skiff Guard Outfit) / Klaatu (Skiff Guard Outfit)
Nikto
AT-ST Driver
B-Wing Pilot
Pruneface
Teebo
Wicket W. Warrick
Lumat
Paploo
POWER OF THE FORCE
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop Up Lightsaber
A-Wing Pilot
Imperial Dignitary
Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit)
Anakin Skywalker
Barada
EV-9D9
Luke Skywalker (In Battle Poncho)
Romba
Warok
Yak Face
Of these...I'd could possibly see 3 more waves of figures, of which I hope include:
Wave 6
Death Squad Commander
Walrus Man
Han Solo (Bespin Outfit)
Admiral Ackbar
Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper)
Wave 7
Han Solo (Hoth Outfit)
Luke Skywalker (In Battle Poncho)
Princess Leia (Hoth Outfit)
Wicket W. Warrick
Boba Fett (ESB Deco)
Wave 8
Anakin Skywalker
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop Up Lightsaber
Snaggletooth
Gamorrean Guard
Luke Skywalker (Hoth)
Beyond these, its a lot of Jabba's aliens that probably won't sell and would be better served as being resculpts in the Saga line
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That sounds about right, Scott. I definitely think there's a limit as to how obscure you can get at $10. And as relatively limited as the potential for this line is (ongoing), that's why I think (as I've stated before) Hasbro might be willing to drift into pseudo-vintage territory (OT figs never made in the vintage days, PT characters).
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I love the idea of OT never made on the Vintage line. The figures I want to see on Vintage Cards are.
SW
Grand Moff Tarkin
Stormtrooper Han
Dr. Evazan
Sandtrooper
Biggs Darklighter
ESB
Spirit Obi-Wan
Lando Calrissian (Smuggler's Outfit)
Admiral Piett
ROTJ
Wedge Antilles
Leia (Slave)
Darth Vader (Removable Helmet)
Spirit Yoda
Leia (Ewok Celebration)
Y-Wing Pilot
Mon Mothma
that about all of the main characters they left out a long time ago at kenner (hasbro) far far away.
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Since I'm a stunch anti-supporter of PT figures on Vinatge cards, I would, by defult, have to throw my support against anything other than the original 96 characters apearing on vintage cards. :P
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It's a cool list. But I agree that the Vader is a real head scratcher. To me it seems like Hasbro screwed up in the VOTC line by putting that Vader in the TESB series. Let me explain.
I can legitimately see issuing two and only two different VOTC or VTSC Darth Vader's. Careful observers of the Vader costume will note that in ANH Vader wears part of his cloak over his shoulder armor. In TESB and ROTJ Vader wears that same cloak piece under the shoulder armor. The version we got in the VOTC line was on a TESB card with Vader in the TESB style costume. Issuing a newly sculpted VTSC Vader on an ANH card would make much more sense.
The rest of the list looks cool. Here's hoping the execution on the Jawa will be good. Also hoping for some good softgoods on the Snowtrooper. ESPECIALLY since I just saw the costume on Saturday at the Boston Museum of Science.
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Since I'm a stunch anti-supporter of PT figures on Vinatge cards, I would, by defult, have to throw my support against anything other than the original 96 characters apearing on vintage cards. :P
Have I mentioned that I feel the same way about non-vintage figures going onto vintage cardbacks - that I think it would ruin an otherwise amazing line of products? ;)
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That sounds about right, Scott. I definitely think there's a limit as to how obscure you can get at $10. And as relatively limited as the potential for this line is (ongoing), that's why I think (as I've stated before) Hasbro might be willing to drift into pseudo-vintage territory (OT figs never made in the vintage days, PT characters).
I agree with Scott's list as well. That is something I've often thought about with these "vintage" lines. Aside from the price, I really enjoy these lines - probably some of my favorite of the Star Wars collecting areas. I remember hearing at one time there was a rumor that Hasbro wanted to "redo the entire vintage line in this fashion" - sort of making it sound like they would all see the VOTC/VTSC treatment. Then I didn't know how much sense that would make with so many nice figures available in the basic line from time to time - like the ones that Scott mentioned. There really isn't much that could be improved on figures such as Lobot, Hammerhead, R5-D4, FX-7, AT-AT Driver, Chief Chirpa, etc. that have been released in the past couple years or this year in the basic figure line. I think the three waves Scott mentioned would make the most sense. We can get "ultimate" versions of all the main characters, the main army builders, and leave things like background Cantina aliens or Jabba's palace stuff to be covered in the basic line as resculpted figures. We've seen how much they can be improved upon at this point, and it seems that if things were spread between the "vintage" line and the standard/basic line, we could get all the original vintage figures covered in pretty good form.
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With the quality put into these figures, we have seen a decline in the basic figure assortments that just should not be. If you've read any of Jesse's reviews, you'll note how things like articulation and detail have been reduced in the TSC 2006 (compared to ROTS 2005) at the $6 pricepoint, however they're available at the $10-$12 pricepoint when these "vintage" figures could easily be placed in the TSC line.
It costs a lot more to manufacture a toy with 18 joints than it does a toy with 5 joints. Add rising oil costs (oil is used not only for distribution but to make plastic) and give it the spiffy collector's packaging, and $10.00 honestly isn't unreasonable.
Losing the spiffy packaging which really is only a selling point to carded collectors and noting that oil costs have already been added in terms of the increase in price in the basic line (from $4.99 to as much as $6.99) and all that is left is the cost of manufacturing the toy. While it does cost more to manufacture a toy with added joints, it hasn't prevented Hasbro from doing so in the basic line, they're just not doing so wisely. A case in point would be Sora Bulq who has 14 pts of articulation, which is just perfect for a figure in the basic line, where they went wrong is they put the added leg articulation at the ankles and not the knees where they would have been some help.
Hasbro has shown they can do a well articulated and detailed figure in the basic line, they know they just don't always need to based on what we have shown them. I think the continuation of the "vintage" line would be easier to swallow if we knew that the figures would later be re-released in the basic line. So far we have had good signs, R2-D2 and Vader re-decoed into the basic line, but then we get stuff like Boba Fett's legs being re-used on an older Fett and the exclusive Stormies when we need Stormies in the basic line.
Ideally, I'd like to see that the "vintage" line as is be an exclusive to one store, say Target, for those who really want the cards. As an exclusive it would be a limited release for a certain amount of time, then afterwards each figure in the line would be thrown into the basic line for those of us who could live without the special packaging. It would be nice if Hasbro would do that, not only would it acknowledge that they are looking out for collectors, it would also benefit the kids they're trying to market to as well since parents are not likely to buy the $12 figures.
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Losing the spiffy packaging which really is only a selling point to carded collectors and noting that oil costs have already been added in terms of the increase in price in the basic line (from $4.99 to as much as $6.99) and all that is left is the cost of manufacturing the toy.
I didn't realize the current oil costs were a reason for higher figure prices. Is that why target's prices are higher initially then WM's(ex: basic price diff. 1st 2.5 months of 06 and price difference of current VTSC...2005 similar start of year, 2004 ..ect)? What Target doesn't get an 'oil cutback' to keep fig prices down? ;)
RETAIL SETS THE FEE
OKAY, where were these oil prices added..I want to see this.
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Losing the spiffy packaging which really is only a selling point to carded collectors and noting that oil costs have already been added in terms of the increase in price in the basic line (from $4.99 to as much as $6.99) and all that is left is the cost of manufacturing the toy.
I didn't realize the current oil costs were a reason for higher figure prices. Is that why target's prices are higher initially then WM's(ex: basic price diff. 1st 2.5 months of 06 and price difference of current VTSC...2005 similar start of year, 2004 ..ect)? What Target doesn't get an 'oil cutback' to keep fig prices down? ;)
RETAIL SETS THE FEE
OKAY, where were these oil prices added..I want to see this.
transportation costs for starters. with the rise in oil prices, fuel prices are much higher and as such thats a hit on a product's manufacturer, distributor, and the retail outlets. materials as well, the plastics these toys are made out of have oils in them, granted they are not the refined oils used in automobiles, but the price in oil plays a part in the manufacturing of plastic-based products. a look at any store for any product will show an increase in price across the board, from simple things like the cost of bread to the cost of toys, retailers attribute it in part to the rise in oil prices.
and while retail does set the fee that we pay, the manufacturer sets the price they sell the item to the retailers (except when that retailer is called Walmart) and as such when those prices go up, the retailers will attempt to make their money back by increasing the per unit price to customers.
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I can legitimately see issuing two and only two different VOTC or VTSC Darth Vader's. Careful observers of the Vader costume will note that in ANH Vader wears part of his cloak over his shoulder armor. In TESB and ROTJ Vader wears that same cloak piece under the shoulder armor. The version we got in the VOTC line was on a TESB card with Vader in the TESB style costume. Issuing a newly sculpted VTSC Vader on an ANH card would make much more sense.
I agree. A good ANH Vader is really the only Vader that we're missing. I think there's some differences in the helmet too, but the robes are the biggest difference to me.
You could argue that we still need a ROTS SA Vader, but the VOTC Vader is a fine stand in for that.
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No more Vaders, we had enough! How many times do you need him plus he already got the Vintage treatment. Unfair!
Hasbro, Dont pull the kid card out because he is more than present in the basic line. You rehashed him twice in the Basic. (#2 is on his way) >:(
I am all for SA Luke Bespin, Jawa & Leai. Snowtrooper I am ok with, i got my fill with the semi rehash but at least he will be SA. I am kinda bored with that one but I still dig it. ;D
Personally I would have loved a SA Han Bespin or Gammorean Gaurd over Vader. :D
How about a good OTC Emporer instead? :-*
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Now that we have the unprobable confirmation of the "original" Original Trilogy coming on DVD this fall, this makes the likelihood of a 2nd wave of VTSC even more likely to me. I hope so anyways, and the rumored lineup sounds pretty good to me. I don't necessarily need another Vader either, but it doesn't bother me, and hopefully we'll see more of these in the future. I wonder if there will be some sort of "push" as there was with the OTC/VOTC around the first DVD release? I doubt it will be as big, but maybe the VTSC will be timed to go along with it (it sounds like the LEGO Star Wars II video game will be). Anyways, hopefully this turns out to be true.
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I'm really digging the rumors about the VTSC Snowtrooper...it's about freakin' time!
In all honesty, if this does happen, this has really been the year for well done OT figs...ATAT Driver, Biker Scout, upcoming Death Star Gunner, and possibly this SA Snowtrooper.
Heck yes. ;D
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Most all of us don't need a Vader. However, he's the most popular and/or recognizeable character so they are going to push him all the time. We'll never see the end of Vader. Little Johnny and his parents should be happy about that.
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Well, whether we need a new Vader figure or not, the ANH costume is the only one that we don't have a great SA version of. Take it or leave it.
My point is that if they are going to make a new Vader for VSTC wave 2, I'd rather it be the ANH version.
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I almost feel certain that the Vader will be released either on a different cardback with the pointing version.
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I almost feel certain that the Vader will be released either on a different cardback with the pointing version.
I'd be ok with that. I see the frustration guys feel about rehashes, but repacking Vader is simply a no brainer. Guys will have missed it in the past (hard to believe) or it's a good way to draw new folks into VOTC.
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While I can kinda understnd not wanting PT figures "Vintge" cards (even though I would go nots for them), what about OT figures that Kenner never made, but should have? How cool would a vintage style carded Sandtrooper be, or Tarkin, or Rebel Fleet Trooper? Those, to me, would be like wrapping up unfinished business.
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While I can kinda understnd not wanting PT figures "Vintge" cards (even though I would go nots for them), what about OT figures that Kenner never made, but should have? How cool would a vintage style carded Sandtrooper be, or Tarkin, or Rebel Fleet Trooper? Those, to me, would be like wrapping up unfinished business.
I agree. And put them on POTF cards with the coins. Those figs could definitely been a continuation of that line.
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While I can kinda understnd not wanting PT figures "Vintge" cards (even though I would go nots for them), what about OT figures that Kenner never made, but should have? How cool would a vintage style carded Sandtrooper be, or Tarkin, or Rebel Fleet Trooper? Those, to me, would be like wrapping up unfinished business.
If I went allong with that, I'd feel like a hypocrite. :-X I have to say no out of principle (if this were a vote.)
As for wave 2 VTSC, anyone think this could correspond with the DVD release?