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Title: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on May 31, 2011, 07:18 PM
Yeah, I don't know either.  But Yahoo had it up, so I figured I'd put it in as well.  Emails went out to last year's managers.  Password is berry, league ID# is something.  That's not helpful but for whatever reason I can't get back into yahoo fantasy sports right now.  When I can I'll post the league ID number. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on May 31, 2011, 09:53 PM
This should be interesting considering we might not even have an NFL season this year.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on June 1, 2011, 01:00 PM
Signed up... these ***** had better get their **** together by the time training camp is supposed to start.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 1, 2011, 03:19 PM
I'll probably take a pass this year unless you guys need me to make an even number or something.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on June 1, 2011, 03:46 PM
Up to you sir.  Always like to invite back the regulars if possible. 

Assuming everyone else signs up that leaves one slot.  League ID# is 675.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on June 8, 2011, 02:33 PM
If Dressel gives up drops out, we should invite Matt.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on June 8, 2011, 09:37 PM
I'll probably take a pass this year unless you guys need me to make an even number or something.

Why?   :'(
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on June 8, 2011, 09:39 PM
I'll probably take a pass this year unless you guys need me to make an even number or something.

Why?   :'(

He's sick of losing to me 2 to 3 times per year.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on June 9, 2011, 08:45 AM
Ah...let the smack talking begin.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on June 9, 2011, 09:36 AM
I like to call it fact talking.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on June 22, 2011, 04:40 PM
I brought this up last year and think it's worth repeating.  I think we should change the waiver system so it rewards teams at the bottom of the rankings vs. the quickest to react to injuries / hot performances on game day.

Keep FA players locked until Wed. AM.

Let teams place their waivers starting Tues. AM for FA players they want - the team in 12th place gets their first choice filled and it cycles through based upon the standings (11th place goes second, 10th gets third, and so on). 

It keeps the competition high and doesn't reward the folks with the fastest internet connection on game day.   

We practice this in another league and it works well.  It's actually the preferred method of acquiring FA players in most fantasy leagues.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on June 22, 2011, 06:30 PM
We practice this in another league and it works well.  It's actually the preferred method of acquiring FA players in most fantasy leagues.

Really?  What is your data source for accurate statistics on what is most common across fantasy leagues?  I call Shenanigans. 

Despite the data flaws, I agree with Rob that the first come/first served approach should be replaced.  I am okay with the suggestion of first pick-ups going to lowest standing team.  Or if there is an option for whoever last picked someone up moving to the back of the list, I like that even better.  We did that in one of my Yahoo leagues last year and it helped spread around the pick-ups. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on June 22, 2011, 06:56 PM
Or if there is an option for whoever last picked someone up moving to the back of the list, I like that even better. 

My understanding is that this is exactly how it works now - and how we've been doing things for years. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on July 26, 2011, 11:14 AM
Still need four more warm bodies to sign up.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on July 26, 2011, 11:26 AM
Still need four more warm bodies to sign up.

Can I sign up twice?  I could use the better odds...  ;)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on July 26, 2011, 04:45 PM
Still need four more warm bodies to sign up.

Last year's defending champ hasn't signed up, but he'll be in.  Not sure who the other three holes are being left empty by. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Corman on July 29, 2011, 11:57 AM
If there are any spots open, I'd like to join.

Corman
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on July 29, 2011, 04:10 PM
If there are any spots open, I'd like to join.

Corman

Welcome!  Do we have a draft date planned?  Hard to believe we're only about a month away from the season...
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 29, 2011, 05:03 PM
(http://www.samruby.com/Villains/GreenGoblinV/GreenGoblin5Swoop.gif)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on July 29, 2011, 08:16 PM
...?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 29, 2011, 09:34 PM
(http://images.neopets.com/items/bd_pumpkin_bomb.gif)!!!!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on August 4, 2011, 10:56 AM
If there are any spots open, I'd like to join.

Corman


Sign up!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Corman on August 4, 2011, 08:49 PM
Just tried to sign up and got this message...

There was a problem
There is not room in this league if all teams from last year return. To join, get the commissioner to increase the maximum number of teams, or remove teams that will not be returning. (Error #638)

Corman
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on August 4, 2011, 08:58 PM
Morgbug needs to handle that one.  Just send him a PM Corman.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on August 4, 2011, 09:30 PM
Try now.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Corman on August 4, 2011, 10:08 PM
That did it.  thanks for the invite guys!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on August 5, 2011, 10:00 AM
OK, I think we're set at 12 teams then.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 5, 2011, 06:30 PM
Wait, when the hell is the draft though?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on August 5, 2011, 11:54 PM
Man Yahoo is screwy some days.  I'd originally set it up for online draft, but it seems to have been reset to autodraft.  So I reset it again.  Draft info:

Wednesday, September 07, 8:00 CST.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on August 6, 2011, 05:55 PM
Better watch out for any last second changes Yahoo makes to the draft time, ala last year ::)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on August 6, 2011, 09:32 PM
Indeed.  This looks to have been along the same lines, so I'll keep a closer eye on it.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on August 10, 2011, 10:37 AM
Does anyone know if you can live draft with two leagues at once using the same computer?  Two of mine are drafting at the same time.  I suppose I could always try using my laptop for one.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on August 10, 2011, 10:47 AM
Does anyone know if you can live draft with two leagues at once using the same computer?  Two of mine are drafting at the same time.  I suppose I could always try using my laptop for one.

If both are via Yahoo, then you can draft at the same time.  I did this draft and another league at the same time last year.  If you have two PCs though, I would go that route.  I had multiple screens going and at times found myself looking at the wrong list.  Its definitely stressful when you're up to draft at the same time in both...
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on August 10, 2011, 12:14 PM
Justin's correct.  No problem with multiple draft windows open on the Yahoo system, even when mock drafting. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on August 10, 2011, 01:43 PM
Perfect, thanks guys.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 29, 2011, 03:37 PM
I also have 2 drafts now that night.  Simultaneously.  This should be fun.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on August 29, 2011, 04:45 PM
I've got two on Saturday evening at the same time... should be interesting.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 5, 2011, 02:21 PM

Wednesday, September 07, 8:00 CST.

Still says this ^^^
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 7, 2011, 09:05 PM
I've been trying for 30min on two pcs to get in.  Can't get the draft room to open even though the test worked.  Anyone able to tell me when my pick is up?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 7, 2011, 09:38 PM
Kicked out of the draft room again.  Unbelievable
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 7, 2011, 10:33 PM
All that Randy Moss business and I literally forgot to draft a kicker.  I don't ever draft them until the last round anyway, so not a big deal to me, except that our draft was so late that I have to give up waiver position or wait until the absolute last minute to add one.  Not a pleasant thought.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 7, 2011, 10:36 PM
Well I don't think anyone will go in and pick up kickers, so you should have your choice even if it is at the last minute.  Unless Scott's opts for a third, just in case.  ;)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 7, 2011, 10:38 PM
Yeah, I'm not worried about finding one, just worried about waiting to the last minute to add one.  But I'm not making a waiver claim for that... no way.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on September 7, 2011, 10:42 PM
Yikes, gotta drop some QBs. At least I didn't have to turn Auto Draft on until the last 2-3 rounds
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 7, 2011, 10:43 PM
When you make a claim it obviously moves you to the end of the list.  Does it ever reset or can you work your way up to the #1 claim spot over time if you don't pick anyone up?

Also, M. Jones-Drew and K. Winslow are available for trade.  With all my PC problems, I'm lucky those are the only two guys that autodraft hurt me on.  wish I had that 7th round pick back though.   :P 

As always, thanks for hosting, Brent!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 7, 2011, 10:44 PM
Yikes, gotta drop some QBs. At least I didn't have to turn Auto Draft on until the last 2-3 rounds

What's your team name Diddly?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on September 7, 2011, 11:05 PM
Tommy Wiseau
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 7, 2011, 11:29 PM
So, I offered up a trade with Scott and it says "Trade: Pending trade between Ramminators and Ice Cream Maker Guys - [ details ]"

Anyone else seeing this?  I can't tell if that means the trade was approved or not.  One of the guys in the trade is a Thursday night player, so Commish, can you make this happen before game time assuming Scott agreed to the trade?

Thanks!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Scott on September 7, 2011, 11:52 PM
I don't think he can do that...but I agreed to the trade
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 12:02 AM
I don't think he can do that...but I agreed to the trade

We ran into this last year with a trade and I believe he can force approve it if the trade involves early game players.  Brent, can we get a ruling?

I am trading MJD and K. Winslow to Scott for S. Jackson and J. Finley.  I knew Scott wouldn't be able to handle a Packer on his team for more than 2 hours.   ;)

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 8, 2011, 12:07 AM
One, I can't get into yahoo anything right now.  But two, I don't think I can adjust the rosters like that at this point.  I'll see what the rules say when I get in there, but I also prefer to adhere to the rules regarding vetos of trades which is a two day waiting period.  I'm not remotely opposed to the trade, but others may be, so forcing the switch without unanimous approval would be overstepping my bounds. 

Not that I'm opposed to overstepping my bounds, but only for things I believe in  ;)  And I was hoping to land MJD but oh well  :P
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 12:17 AM
One, I can't get into yahoo anything right now.  But two, I don't think I can adjust the rosters like that at this point.  I'll see what the rules say when I get in there, but I also prefer to adhere to the rules regarding vetos of trades which is a two day waiting period.  I'm not remotely opposed to the trade, but others may be, so forcing the switch without unanimous approval would be overstepping my bounds. 

Not that I'm opposed to overstepping my bounds, but only for things I believe in  ;)  And I was hoping to land MJD but oh well  :P

Okay, thanks for checking.  My team isn't really where I'd like it having autodrafted the first two spots and my 7th rounder, so I'm hoping we can make an exception to the usual 2-day trading period.  I obviously couldn't have worked out a trade for this week any faster and would have drafted differently if I could have been drafting live. 

As added incentive, I'll give up any right to complain about my partially autodrafted team for the rest of the season if we can make the trade happen before kickoff tomorrow.  That ought to be enough incentive for everyone.  =)

Scott - thanks for the trade!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2011, 07:13 AM
Aside from the fact that JediJMan is tossing away his first round pick for a late 2nd rounder, all before a single game is played, I think we need to respect the rules and the regular trade waiting period.

There is no precedent for forcing through a trade just because one owner had to autodraft, whatever the reason, not being home, computer frozen etc. etc.  That's no reason to give Scott an extra first round player, without giving all of the owners time to review the trade as per the normal protocols.

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 08:29 AM
Aside from the fact that JediJMan is tossing away his first round pick for a late 2nd rounder, all before a single game is played, I think we need to respect the rules and the regular trade waiting period.

There is no precedent for forcing through a trade just because one owner had to autodraft, whatever the reason, not being home, computer frozen etc. etc.  That's no reason to give Scott an extra first round player, without giving all of the owners time to review the trade as per the normal protocols.

Those are all valid points, and I get that you value MJD higher than S. Jackson.  I have him ranked higher as well, but not by much, and I am improving my TE situation, so the trade is worth it to me.  True, there is no precedent for forcing a trade early, but I don't think we've run into circumstances like this previously. 

#1 Brent can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe the 2-day waiting period is only in play to make sure that wildly unfair trades are blocked.  A trade has never been blocked since I've been playing and I don't think anyone considers this switch wildly unfair.  The 2-day waiting period seems like more of a technicality, which isn't a very good reason to screw up week 1 for two teams.

#2 Consider the circumstances.  I tested my system with yahoo and it very quickly told me I was set for the draft.  The draft room opened at 7:30 CST and I sat there for 40min with two PCs trying to get in.  Ended up rebooting both and trying with both Explorer and Firefox.  Not sure how I could have done anything differently to get in.  I ended up on autodraft for picks 1, 2, and 7 and got three players I never would have taken.  Not sure what else I could have done here.  This isn't a "normal trade" by any means - this is trying to fix my team following an unforeseeable issue with the drafting process.  I'm not asking to trade anyone that I drafted on my own.

#3 This is the perfect storm of timing.  We held the draft one day before the start of the season and one of the guys involved in the trade plays less than 24 hours from when we drafted.  If we had drafted at an earlier date or the Packers were playing Sunday, this wouldn't be an issue.  Again, I'm asking you to overlook protocol to help a brother out after some unfortunate circumstances.   ;)

I commission two leagues and play in 4 others besides this one.  In all six I know that we would just make the move if this happened to any of the drafters.  That said, this is supposed to be a fun league, so I'll shut up about it after this and abide by whatever Brent says.  It sure would be nice though if we could find a way to make it work.  As seasoned FFL drafters, I'm sure most of you can imagine the disgust in not being able to pick for your 1st, 2nd, or 7th round picks.

Here are a couple of new ideas I had...

#1 - if I can get everyone to post that they are okay with the trade before 5pm, would that be sufficient for getting the trade processed in time?  I'll do the legwork in contacting everyone if this is what you guys need.

#2 - Since I Can't see anyone blocking the trade, can I just confirm that I want to play Finley tonight and have Brent auto-correct my score at the end of the week?  All of the other players will move in time for us to get them into lineups.

Thanks for hearing me out.
Justin
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on September 8, 2011, 09:12 AM
Rob, I don't think your waiver position will change if you simply make a roster change (drop player / add player from FA) BEFORE tonight's game.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 8, 2011, 11:48 AM
Ok, I'm now at the point where I'm irritated. 

Rob forgot to draft a kicker last night.  Since he was only looking for a player on Sunday's game, rather than tonight I was willing to make that change for him.  But is it fair to do that and not help Justin?  I don't know. 

Now I got an email from Patrick asking me to change the waiver settings to allow him to get a different defense because he doesn't want New Orleans tonight. 

Justin wants a trade to go through faster than is the norm in our settings. 

This is getting stupid and I'm about to be a massive prick. 

Here's the deal: I'm not making any changes.

I'm not making the change to Rob's kicker foolishness simply because I cannot favor him over everyone else.  I'm sorry Rob, I consider it completely trivial to switch out a late round draft pick for a kicker but in doing so my actions will be unfair.  Rob, do not do a change yet because it will affect your waiver priority.  Players will be off waivers Friday or Saturday, ample time to pick up a kicker for Sunday's matchup.

For Patrick I'm sorry, but you drafted a defense last night that plays today against a tough foe.  That's a mistake but nothing I can change just because you found a better matchup. 

Justin, I too am sorry for all your computer difficulties and that autodraft didn't give you what you want.  But I find it problematic to change the rules so you can gain an advantage over your opponent for this week.  Your opponent did not invoke the computer problems that afflicted you.  I can see no reason why I should penalize the Tatooine Banthas for your problems with the draft.  Forcing a change today puts him at a disadvantage because of nothing he did.   

Folks, JD sports drafts, whether they are football, basketball, hockey or baseball happen as close to the regular season as we can possibly set them up.  This is what we've done historically and it is done so that we can minimize the impact of injured players being drafted.  We also historically draft on a Wednesday night during the eight o'clock CST time area usually 8:00 to 8:30 CST.  This hasn't changed in a very long time.  If there's a game the next day, you need to be aware of it when you are drafting. 

Perhaps next year you'll have a commissioner that is more compassionate. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2011, 11:49 AM
I'm totally cool with that Brent.  I never expected any commish help here and am fine with picking one up on Saturday.  Quite frankly I don't think it should be any other way.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 8, 2011, 11:57 AM
Also just checked one other thing.

If everyone is unhappy with my commissioner decisions in the post above, I'm really quite happy to transfer the commissioner role to someone that the group prefers.  I can do that under yahoo settings so if there's a preferred body to a crusty old man, let me know. 

Thanks for your understanding Rob. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2011, 12:00 PM
Don't transfer.  What you outlined is absolutely the right decision and the only fair thing to do.  Not all favors are equal and the ONLY solution is to reserve commissioner power for fixing real glitches or things that **** up competitive balance, not to fix small goofs.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 12:02 PM
I'm fine with these decisions as well - I was just making my case.  I'm not sure my trade disadvantages the Banthas - if anything he is unfairly advantaged by the timing of the games.  As DR pointed out, this trade should make my team weaker.  ;) 

I do think my case is different from the others though.  I didn't forget to draft a kicker or decide I wanted a different defense after the fact.  I was in at 7:30 trying to get into the draft room and did everything humanly possible to put myself in a position to select my own players.  Its not Bantha's fault that I didn't get the guys I wanted, but not sure what in the world I could have done differently, so it kind of blows to be penalized for that.

I don't blame you for not making the changes - this league is supposed to be fun and I'm sorry that I've added to any stress as commish.  I manage two other leagues, so I totally know how that goes.  I will just start a different TE for this week and all will be good.  Though I reserve the right to whine like all hell when Finley gets 3 TDs tonight.   ;)

Justin

PS - if you ever do want a co-comissioner to help out, I would be happy to join you.  I think you're doing a great job, but if you're tired of it or just want a second person to help, be sure to let me know.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on September 8, 2011, 02:23 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa; before we hand anything over to Jman, I want to put it to a league vote.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2011, 03:07 PM
Brent, I support you 100%.  No problems here.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2011, 03:18 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa; before we hand anything over to Jman, I want to put it to a league vote.

Not happening.  If anyone is taking over it's someone who's been around for years.  That said, Brent should just keep it and we should all forget any of this ever came up.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2011, 03:24 PM
^ cosign.

Let's all just observe the regular rules and protocols.  These things that you think are hurting you, like having MJD instead of S-Jax or using NO defense instead of some other crappy defense nobody wanted, they have just as good of a chance or better of helping you rather than hurting you.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 04:04 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa; before we hand anything over to Jman, I want to put it to a league vote.

Not happening.  If anyone is taking over it's someone who's been around for years.  That said, Brent should just keep it and we should all forget any of this ever came up.

I've been in the league for 3 years now and have experience as a commissioner, so I think I'd do just fine Rob.  Don't blow this out of proportion.  Brent isn't stepping down and no one said anything about me taking over.  I think we're all happy with Brent running the show - I just offered to help out if he needs it.  We have a co-commissioner or at least a back up in most of my leagues, so I'd be just fine assuming that role if needed.  I'd be equally fine with anyone else stepping up to help Brent, regardless of their tenure or apparent lack of tact.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2011, 04:16 PM
I've been in the league for 3 years now and have experience as a commissioner, so I think I'd do just fine Rob.  Don't blow this out of proportion.  Brent isn't stepping down and no one said anything about me taking over.  I think we're all happy with Brent running the show - I just offered to help out if he needs it.  We have a co-commissioner or at least a back up in most of my leagues, so I'd be just fine assuming that role if needed.  I'd be equally fine with anyone else stepping up to help Brent, regardless of their tenure or apparent lack of tact.

That's fine and all, but last night you didn't know how many RB's we can start, if it was a PPR league or not... and you're splitting hairs about why your trade should be accelerated even after most of us agreed that no changes should be made.

Plus, I've been in this league since 2003, and I ran it in 2006.  I don't mean for it to be a pissing contest or anything and I'm not looking for a job (although I'd also be happy to help if it was needed), I'm just saying that you wouldn't be my first choice if Brent wants to pass the torch or grant commish powers to someone, even though it's nice of you to offer.  It's nothing personal or anything.  Thankfully it's not an issue.  Brent's got it and in the 8 or so years I've been in this league, it's very rare that anyone actually uses the commissioner tools.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 04:34 PM
That's fine and all, but last night you didn't know how many RB's to start, if it was a PPR league or not... and you're splitting hairs about why your trade should be accelerated even after most of us agreed that no changes should be made.

Plus, I've been in this league since 2003, and have run it once if I remember right.  I don't mean for it to be a pissing contest or anything and I'm not looking for a job (although I'd also be happy to help), I'm just saying that you wouldn't be my first choice if Brent wants to pass the torch or grant commish powers to someone, even though it's nice of you to offer.

You're right, but I would make sure I know those things if I was comissioner or even helping out.  As non-commish, I rely more on the head guy to keep me up to speed with nuances of leagues I'm less involved with.  Besides, you're questioning my memory of scoring rules and you can't even remember if you commissioned the league or not?  Pot and kettle, man.

Not splitting hairs either - not drafting your own guys due to a technical failure is 180 degrees different than forgetting to draft someone or deciding you wanted a different pick after the draft.  I'm not asking for a redraft or waiver priority change - I just asked if we could process the trade faster, which seems like a formality anyway.  If this happened to someone else, I'd be just fine voting for the the trade to go through, which is why I asked about.  Just my opinion and like I said, I'm just fine witht he decision not to accelerate things.

I'd hardly say that "most of us agreed" on anything given the comments.  If that's your interpretation, then I guess you wouldn't be my first choice to be involved as commish either.   ;)  Long live the Canadian!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on September 8, 2011, 04:45 PM
Not happening.  If anyone is taking over it's someone who's been around for years.  That said, Brent should just keep it and we should all forget any of this ever came up.

Amen. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2011, 04:51 PM
Plus, I've been in this league since 2003, and I ran it in 2006.  I don't mean for it to be a pissing contest or anything and I'm not looking for a job (although I'd also be happy to help if it was needed), I'm just saying that you wouldn't be my first choice if Brent wants to pass the torch or grant commish powers to someone, even though it's nice of you to offer. 

Everyone knows that I'm the obvious choice in that event.  When I ruled the league with an iron fist, everyone was kept in line.  Though it was never necessary, everyone knew that any agitators would be promptly executed and their star players would be dispersed to all owners that could submit a photocopy of their absentee ballot nod for George W. Bush.

I was showered with gifts by the other owners just so that they would stay in my good graces.

And if I were commissioner, nobody would have even dared ask for the rules to be bent.  I doubt the thought would have ever even dawned on them.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 04:59 PM
I was showered with gifts by the other owners just so that they would stay in my good graces.

And if I were commissioner, nobody would have even dared ask for the rules to be bent.  I doubt the thought would have ever even dawned on them.

Does gravity have less impact on you given all that hot air?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2011, 05:01 PM
Everyone knows that I'm the obvious choice in that event.  When I ruled the league with an iron fist, everyone was kept in line.  Though it was never necessary, everyone knew that any agitators would be promptly executed and their star players would be dispersed to all owners that could submit a photocopy of their absentee ballot nod for George W. Bush.

I was showered with gifts by the other owners just so that they would stay in my good graces.

And if I were commissioner, nobody would have even dared ask for the rules to be bent.  I doubt the thought would have ever even dawned on them.

The great Andre Johnson incident of 2005 costs you my vote. :)

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2011, 05:36 PM

The great Andre Johnson incident of 2005 costs you my vote. :)

Oh yeah too bad the waiver wire problem was discovered when it was your turn to bend me over.  I'm sure you would have preferred that I got raped for an additional week.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2011, 05:42 PM
Didn't mention it to re-hash the argument.  I'm just kidding around - at this point it's water under the bridge.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2011, 05:57 PM
Didn't mention it to re-hash the argument.  I'm just kidding around - at this point it's water under the bridge.

I'm still mad I got stuck with him.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2011, 06:17 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 10, 2011, 01:46 PM
Opened waivers today for everyone. 

This is a change from the setting I had, which was 'locked from first game until Tuesday'.  I'm opting for that setting because otherwise the waiver order is meaningless unless someone drops someone of value.  I will reset the waiver setting once tomorrow's games start. 

If more than half of the league votes to have no waivers like we typically do then I'll revert to last year's settings.  My preference, as it Taco boy's (Jim/chuckles) is for the waivers lock from first game until Tuesday, so that is two votes.  Yay or nay?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 10, 2011, 11:19 PM
Brent - can you give an example of the two options?  I've never been comfortable with how the waviers work on Yahoo.  If the waviers lock from the first game to Tuesday, does that just mean those players on waiver cannot be grabbed until Tuesday?  Does this apply to dropped players or free agents as well?  Thanks!

*EDIT* While we're talking waivers, don't you move to the end after you pick someone up?  I see 3 moves listed on the first page.  Two of the owners are now 11th and 12th on the waiver, but the Zods are listed as waiver priority #1 even though they've made a pick up.  I'm sure the explanation is simple, but I don't get it...
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Scott on September 10, 2011, 11:27 PM
You only move to the end if you claim someone on waivers...if they are free agents you stay put
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 10, 2011, 11:28 PM
I think you have it Justin.

The first game to Tuesday option means that all players, free agents or any other standing are locked down from the start of the first game until the day after the Monday night game.  So you cannot make any switches at that time. 

With the other option, the one we have traditionally used, all players are available at all times, except those that have been dropped by a team in the league and they are on waivers for two days. 

The rationale is that this allows for a more meaningful use of your waiver position.  In a normal NFL week any team in our league can grab anyone from the free agent pool at any time.  Under this option you can still do that from Tuesday until the first game (so Thursday or Saturday or Sunday's first game of the week, depending on how the schedule runs for that given week). 

What changes is that if you're sitting and watching a Sunday game and someone goes down with an injury and their backup is inserted and goes off, you can't just automatically go and get that guy.  Everyone has a shot at it, but the successful league team will be the person with the highest waiver position.  So right now, Rob is that guy. 

The argument is that it raises the value of the waiver position and gives everyone a fair shot at players, not just those that watch all the games with an iPad or whatever in hand. 

In case anyone missed it, I've set the waivers to off until about 2:00 or so tomorrow, whenever I get back from my daughter's basketball tryouts.  I did that because of all the requests to do something and also because it didn't seem right to be locked down on picking up players right away.  Changing the waivers was something I did but didn't clearly inform so I felt I should at least open it up for a while.  I did send an email to all in the league about it.

I am seeking feedback (other than Brent you're an idiot, I can get that at home) on this and am putting it to a vote. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 10, 2011, 11:44 PM
Okay, thanks for clarifying.  I do like the idea of blocking people from picking someone up mid game, as it gives an unfair advantage to those with greater access to the games and like you said, negates the usefullness of the waiver.  My only concern here is not being able to pick up a player between Thursday and Sunday noon. 

What happens if my planned Sunday-game kicker is questionable on Thursday?  There is an unrelated Thursday night game and on Friday my kicker is listed as out.  If I'm interpreting correctly, the lock would negate my ability to grab a replacement for that week unless I had picked up a spare kicker before the Thursday game, right?  Or a far more likely scenario, I'm an owner that doesn't look at my team until Friday to realize I need another starter and find that I'm locked out.

Assuming I'm thinking of this correctly, then I'm in favor of the lock out until Tuesday, but would suggest we make the cutoff 12:00 Sunday instead of the start of the early game.  Probably won't matter either way in most weeks, but I think the Thursday lock has more potential to hurt than help given the scenarios above.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 11, 2011, 12:59 AM
Mu understanding is that we're only talking about this week... post-draft but pre-start of the season.  Next week if you need or want a player you can grab any free agent without changing your waiver position.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 11, 2011, 01:13 AM
That's right Rob.  During the week you can grab anyone at any time.  Once the first game is played, waivers are in effect on all players. 

I haven't checked the season schedule, but we don't usually start seeing Thursday games usually until about Black Friday or some time in November.  So a good portion of the season with the new settings you're basically locked from noon Sunday until the Monday night game is done.  I don't know exactly what time it comes unlocked, but if it's anything like the rest of yahoo's settings it's probably 12:00 midnight PST. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on September 11, 2011, 02:14 AM
Count me in as liking the new rules. I figure we can discuss the Thursday-Monday rule further when the time comes.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 12, 2011, 03:14 PM
If you guys could just scale back the relentless trash-talking going on in this thread since the Week 1 games, that would be great.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Scott on September 12, 2011, 03:19 PM
I can't believe my team sucked as bad as it did
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 12, 2011, 03:21 PM
I can't believe my team sucked as bad as it did

You and me both.  I need about 4 TD's from Brady to Hernandez to manage a win.

Of course, last year my team scored about 100 in each of the first two weeks then went on to suck for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 12, 2011, 04:11 PM
I plan to once again have an above average regular season then get destroyed in the first week of the playoffs as usual.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on September 12, 2011, 04:25 PM
I have no expectations this year.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 12, 2011, 04:29 PM
I expect that a lack of injuries will determine the winner of the football pool.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 12, 2011, 07:18 PM
I can't believe my team sucked as bad as it did

You and me both.  I need about 4 TD's from Brady to Hernandez to manage a win.

Of course, last year my team scored about 100 in each of the first two weeks then went on to suck for the rest of the year.

In my marvelousnews.com league, I have Brady, Hernandez (TE), BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Welker, and Gostkowski going and I need like 60 points to win.

In this league, it's the exact opposite.  If the Patriots go nuts I might be in trouble.

So I'm definitely going to win one of these games, and I always hope it's the JD one.

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 12, 2011, 07:24 PM
I'm the same way.  I have  a few other leagues, but JD is always the one I want to do best in.  Probably because it's the first one I ever played in.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 12, 2011, 10:32 PM
Stop ******* around and kick the field goal you clam chowder-eating sons of bitches!!!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 12, 2011, 10:36 PM
If I had a dollar for every fantasy football game I've lost by one point I could buy the NFL.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 12, 2011, 10:39 PM
Well give me the dollar.  ******* Chad Henne!  >:( >:( >:( >:(

That was infuriating.  Seriously, after all that I can't believe I lost on a throw-away nonsense pass on the last play of the game.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 12, 2011, 10:43 PM
Holy crap, I actually had good luck?  That was thrilling.

I will take it.

And I scored 200 points in the other league to boot having Brady, Hernandez and Welker.

Amazing.

Wife's having a fit with all the football I've been absorbed in the last 2 days, if I don't go to bed now I might not live to see Week 2 despite the "W".

Good fight.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 12, 2011, 10:44 PM
Yep - congrats.  After the miracle comeback, it was pretty heartbreaking to lose like that.  And to think if I'd just picked pretty much any other kicker I'd have come out ahead.

Such is fantasy football. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 13, 2011, 12:16 AM
Cripes.  Thought I had my locked up until I checked in on the Raiders game.  Janikowski has 3 FGs already, including a 63er.  What?  HE gets a few more and I'm done.   :-\
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 14, 2011, 09:53 AM
No, I don't know why the waivers haven't been processed yet.  My assumption was that it should happen after Tuesday midnight and I presumed it would be PST.  So I had been expecting them around 2 A.M. CST. 

I do recall reading a note on yahoo (that I can no longer find) indicating it could take 4-8 hours for the waiver claims to be processed.  At the long end of that it means they should be processed by 10 A.M. CST so within the next hour and change.  I'll be away from the computer for several hours so I'm hoping they're done by the time I come back. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 14, 2011, 10:52 AM
Any idea why this league note appears at the top of the players page?

"Waiver Note: All Free Agents will be placed on Waivers Sunday, Sep 18 at 12:00pm CDT."

Is that an accident?  Surely we don't want ALL players going back on waivers do we?  Or are the waiver rules we've been going over applying on a weekly basis?  If so, I'd have to vote against that.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 14, 2011, 04:45 PM
If I understand it correctly it means that once the games start (i.e. first game) at noon, all players are locked and you can again only pick up according to waiver priority just as it worked this week.  The waiver order of the teams in the league don't change. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 14, 2011, 05:08 PM
New note on the Yahoo league pages:

"We are aware of an issue where Weekly Waivers may have not yet been processed for leagues that use the First game of the week through Tuesday setting. We are currently updating Weekly Waivers and we expect to complete the update by 10:00 AM PDT. We thank you for your patience."

I still don't get the waiver vs. free agent distinction.  I picked up N. folk and R. Cobb, which apparently counts as a waiver selection, even though I don't think these guys were on anyone else's teams yet this year.  Why is D. Ward a Free Agent, but R. Cobb is a waiver wire pickup?  Is this dependent on WHEN a player is picked up?  In other words, if I had waited until Friday to grab Cobb, would that have gone thru as a FA pickup and I would have kept my lower waiver priority?  If so, when does the waiver period end and the FA period begin?  No wonder I'm always at the end of the waiver priorities.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 14, 2011, 05:13 PM
I still don't get the waiver vs. free agent distinction.  I picked up N. folk and R. Cobb, which apparently counts as a waiver selection, even though I don't think these guys were on anyone else's teams yet this year.  Why is D. Ward a Free Agent, but R. Cobb is a waiver wire pickup?  Is this dependent on WHEN a player is picked up?  In other words, if I had waited until Friday to grab Cobb, would that have gone thru as a FA pickup and I would have kept my lower waiver priority?  If so, when does the waiver period end and the FA period begin?  No wonder I'm always at the end of the waiver priorities.

Generally waivers have only applied to a player who is cut by a given team.  That player goes on waivers and everyone gets a shot to file a claim for him for a few days.  ALL players were on waivers only for the few days after the draft, then everyone was a free agent for the rest of the season.

I suspect that guys like Cobb are still listed as Waiver pick ups right now, because they were claimed by people and the Yahoo glitch has delayed the processing of those waiver claims.  I think that'll be cleared up at some point.

That said, if we get to vote on it, I think I'd prefer free agency be set up to work how it always has.  Waivers only for guys who are cut.  Maybe this style brings a little more competitive balance, but it entirely negates the value of paying attention to what's going on in the NFL and being quick on your toes.


If I understand it correctly it means that once the games start (i.e. first game) at noon, all players are locked and you can again only pick up according to waiver priority just as it worked this week.  The waiver order of the teams in the league don't change.

Can that be turned off?  That's now how we've done it in the past and I'm not a big fan of it beyond the first few days after the initial draft.  Sort of clogs up free agency and I wasn't anticipating waivers being an issue for 3 days a week except for players that were cut by someone.  If this was a conversation we had and I misunderstood it, my apologies.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 14, 2011, 05:22 PM
That still doesn't make sense to me.  I was awarded Cobb today at 10:30.  It's listed as a waiver pickup and I'm now in 12th for waiver priority.  Shaun Suisham was added by the Cranes at 11:05, but counts as a free agent, not a waiver wire pickup.  Likewise, Ruiner grabbed Jermaine Gresham at 9:13 today and he was a free agent pickup as well. 

If you go to the current available players list, now everyone is listed as a FA unless they were dropped from another team.  Seems like anyone this week who picked up players and was charged with a waiver selection should actually have been counted as a FA selection. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 14, 2011, 05:24 PM
Everyone is on waivers from the start of the first game of the week until the time when Yahoo processes the waivers, or basically Wednesday A.M.  If you make a claim during that time period it is a waiver claim.  It doesn't matter if they're on another players team at any point, everyone goes on waivers during the weekly period described. 

Rob, Patrick and Ruiner all made pickups this morning of players and they were all free agents.  The difference is when they made the request which is the whole point of the waiver process.  The waivers are there to help the teams that have a higher waiver priority.  They have this because they drafted later in the draft process.  For example, Taco's team got Cadillac even though I also tried to pick him up - he got him because of the lower waiver priority. 

From Wednesday morning until the first game, whenever it occurs, all players are free agents.  I assume there is an exception with players that were recently dropped as they have a two day waiver period as well.  So everyone that got dropped today, whether through a free agent claim or a waiver claim is on waivers for two days.  All other players are free agents and you can pick them up right now without it affecting waivers.  So if you want Earl Bennett right now, he's a free agent.  If you want Danny Amendola, it's a waiver claim. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 14, 2011, 05:27 PM
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That said, if we get to vote on it, I think I'd prefer free agency be set up to work how it always has.  Waivers only for guys who are cut.  Maybe this style brings a little more competitive balance, but it entirely negates the value of paying attention to what's going on in the NFL and being quick on your toes.

Can that be turned off?  That's now how we've done it in the past and I'm not a big fan of it beyond the first few days after the initial draft.  Sort of clogs up free agency and I wasn't anticipating waivers being an issue for 3 days a week except for players that were cut by someone.  If this was a conversation we had and I misunderstood it, my apologies.

Indeed this was a conversation we have had.  This is exactly why I asked for people's opinions on it. 

You are correct, this is not how we've done it.  Ruiner brought it up, I exercised executive power and made the switch.  I informed folks and asked them to vote on it and comment.   ::)

Now I'll ask again.  Vote on it and comment on it.  Thus far Rob is against.  From what I can tell Diddly, Ruiner, myself and Taco are for it. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 14, 2011, 05:30 PM
Original post:

Opened waivers today for everyone. 

This is a change from the setting I had, which was 'locked from first game until Tuesday'.  I'm opting for that setting because otherwise the waiver order is meaningless unless someone drops someone of value.  I will reset the waiver setting once tomorrow's games start. 

If more than half of the league votes to have no waivers like we typically do then I'll revert to last year's settings.  My preference, as it Taco boy's (Jim/chuckles) is for the waivers lock from first game until Tuesday, so that is two votes.  Yay or nay?

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 14, 2011, 05:42 PM
Everyone is on waivers from the start of the first game of the week until the time when Yahoo processes the waivers, or basically Wednesday A.M.  If you make a claim during that time period it is a waiver claim.  It doesn't matter if they're on another players team at any point, everyone goes on waivers during the weekly period described. 

Rob, Patrick and Ruiner all made pickups this morning of players and they were all free agents.  The difference is when they made the request which is the whole point of the waiver process.  The waivers are there to help the teams that have a higher waiver priority.  They have this because they drafted later in the draft process.  For example, Taco's team got Cadillac even though I also tried to pick him up - he got him because of the lower waiver priority. 

From Wednesday morning until the first game, whenever it occurs, all players are free agents.  I assume there is an exception with players that were recently dropped as they have a two day waiver period as well.  So everyone that got dropped today, whether through a free agent claim or a waiver claim is on waivers for two days.  All other players are free agents and you can pick them up right now without it affecting waivers.  So if you want Earl Bennett right now, he's a free agent.  If you want Danny Amendola, it's a waiver claim.

Okay, so just want to make sure I have this straight.  I decided I wanted P. Cobb last night and put in a request for him, which wouldn't process until today.  Rob decided to put in a request for Ed Dickson at 10am.  So he gets his guy 40min ealier and is only charged with a FA pickup.  Even though I don't get my guy until 10:38, it is a waiver claim because I asked for him last night.  Is that correct?  So if I want to protect my waiver priority, I shouldn't ever request a player until Wednesday morning, right?  And I'm assuming that if Rob had requested Cobb, that would not have gone through at 10:00 because the player was already part of a pending waiver claim.  Would I have still received Cobb at that point regardless of Rob's waiver position or would he have factored into the claim despite not requesting until this morning?

I am in favor of the change because I don't like teams being able to pick up players between noon on Sunday and Monday night.  Stinks to see your guy go down at 1PM, log in to get his backup at 1:10 and find out someone else sniped him at 1:05.  If we're going to do that, we shouldn't even have a waiver.  My only request is confirmation on the deadlines for when a request becomes a free agent versus a waiver pickup.  I wouldn't have grabbed Cobb or Folk had I known it was going to drop my waiver priority from 7th to 12th. 

Sorry for not voting earlier Brent - the process wasn't entirely clear to me until your post today.
Thanks!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 14, 2011, 06:54 PM
Yeah, I misunderstood.  I thought that we were only talking about the first week and whether or not to open it up for everyone, or to leave it as it was and didn't realize you were talking about the whole season. 

That sort of makes the #1 waiver spot valuable if someone goes down and some other RB steps up, I'd have that first crack at it, but if I want to keep it for something special I pretty much have to sand pat on everyone else until Tuesday.  Of course, if it was all open, there wouldn't be anyone around to use that waiver thing on, since everyone would get snatched right up.

I can see the benefits of both... oh well.


Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 14, 2011, 07:59 PM
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Okay, so just want to make sure I have this straight.  I decided I wanted P. Cobb last night and put in a request for him, which wouldn't process until today.  Rob decided to put in a request for Ed Dickson at 10am.  So he gets his guy 40min ealier and is only charged with a FA pickup.  Even though I don't get my guy until 10:38, it is a waiver claim because I asked for him last night.  Is that correct?  So if I want to protect my waiver priority, I shouldn't ever request a player until Wednesday morning, right?  And I'm assuming that if Rob had requested Cobb, that would not have gone through at 10:00 because the player was already part of a pending waiver claim.  Would I have still received Cobb at that point regardless of Rob's waiver position or would he have factored into the claim despite not requesting until this morning?

No, you don't have it straight.

1.  You made a claim yesterday and therefore it was a waiver claim because all players were listed as W for waivers.
2.  No, Rob would not have got Cobb necessarily.  Whoever had the higher waiver priority would have got him providing they tried to add him off waivers during the waiver period.  Even though your player swaps were processed later, your claim went in earlier.  So no, if Rob tried to add him this morning at 10:00 he wouldn't have got him because you had already made a claim on him during waivers.
- a similar example would pertain to Carnell Williams.  Jim and I both made waiver claims on him during the waiver period.  No other team could have claimed him this morning whenever yahoo's system switched over to FA. 
3. The time is irrelevant and nothing more than a glitch in the system.  That yahoo's system is screwy is nothing new. 

That sort of makes the #1 waiver spot valuable if someone goes down and some other RB steps up, I'd have that first crack at it, but if I want to keep it for something special I pretty much have to sand pat on everyone else until Tuesday.  Of course, if it was all open, there wouldn't be anyone around to use that waiver thing on, since everyone would get snatched right up.

Exactly.  The #1 waiver priority is really important if you have it and you have to consider seriously adding someone during the waiver period.  I tried for Cadillac because I needed another RB and with Stephen Jackson down, there's serious potential there.  Maybe short term, maybe not.  I also decided that because I was middle of the pack, I'd use it to try and get Early Doucet who could end up being quite a valuable receiver in AZ as Kolb showed good form and it might be that Brandon Lloyd is already injured and may miss this week.  And since I had two waiver claims in, figuring I'd get one, I put in a third because it would just leave me at the end (#12) so not much difference. 

Basically your paragraph explains the intent perfectly.  If you want someone during the waiver period, you better really want him because the claim will drop you to the back of the pack. 

I appreciate there's mixed feelings on it, but to me the waiver priority is otherwise useless.  It's only useful if someone makes a mistake in dropping someone valuable.  That's relatively rare, but it does happen.  With this system (which can be changed to Sunday-Tuesday instead of First game - Tuesday) it rewards the tail end of the draft folks.  Otherwise in our old system there's only penalty with not being in the top half of the draft (supposedly). 

I do understand our old system rewards those who watch all the games but I'm not sure that's an actual skill.  Sitting there watching all the possible games you can just in hopes of finding a steal on the free agent list thanks to an injury sort of might be an indication of obsessive compulsive behaviour.  I do wish they'd run a waivers setting of Sunday only though. 

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 14, 2011, 08:43 PM
Thanks... yeah, the more I think about it the more I'm okay with giving it a try.  On principal I do like the idea of spreading the opportunity to improve your team out a little.  I like the idea that I currently have first dibs at any one player that I want, but I don't like the idea that to maintain that I have to forego all other free agents until Tuesday. 

If by the end of the year I hate it, I'll try to convince you all that you hate it too.  :)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 14, 2011, 09:11 PM

Now I'll ask again.  Vote on it and comment on it.  Thus far Rob is against.  From what I can tell Diddly, Ruiner, myself and Taco are for it.

I am for it.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 14, 2011, 10:26 PM
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Okay, so just want to make sure I have this straight.  I decided I wanted P. Cobb last night and put in a request for him, which wouldn't process until today.  Rob decided to put in a request for Ed Dickson at 10am.  So he gets his guy 40min ealier and is only charged with a FA pickup.  Even though I don't get my guy until 10:38, it is a waiver claim because I asked for him last night.  Is that correct?  So if I want to protect my waiver priority, I shouldn't ever request a player until Wednesday morning, right?

You made a claim yesterday and therefore it was a waiver claim because all players were listed as W for waivers.

Got it - that's what I was saying if it wasn't clear.  Essentially, you need to just watch to see if the guy you want is classified as a waiver or not.  If he's listed as waiver, you can either make a claim and go down in waiver priority if you get him or you can hold off until he is off waivers and pick him up then. 

The timing is relevant to me because I would be willing to wait on certain players (like Cobb) on the chance that no one puts a claim on them.  However, I would want to know when players move from claim to FA because then it just becomes first come first served.  If that generally happens around 1am or 6am or 10am, then its worth trying to get in around those times instead of waiting until the end of the day.  Does anyone know generally when this is scheduled during the week?

Thanks for clarifying....
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 14, 2011, 10:58 PM
According to Yahoo's note, it was between 4 and 8 hours after midnight Tuesday PST.  Yeah, not helpful. 

If you can figure out what time the 8:49 A.M. time Rob added Robbie Gould in terms of time zones, that's the best guess we can have right now. 

I guess Wednesday morning you just start checking to see if players are W or FA. 

And I bumped you up to 11 in waivers, ahead of me.  I can't move anyone else, but I'll sacrifice the one slot for the confusion. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 14, 2011, 11:17 PM
And I bumped you up to 11 in waivers, ahead of me.  I can't move anyone else, but I'll sacrifice the one slot for the confusion.

Around 10am CST I think, so I'll look thereabouts.  Thanks for moving me up the waiver, but please put me back at 12 next time you're in there.  Not fair that you should slide back just because you're the commish.  I'm okay with #12 - just glad I've finally figured out how this works!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Ryan on September 18, 2011, 03:47 PM
I don't know what is with me and the TE position in fantasy fro the past few seasons. I seem to lose that position matchup almost every single week. It is easily the least productive spot on my roster. Today for example I decided to leave Owen Daniels in the game, after having Keller in my starting line-up for about 10 minutes last night. What does Keller do? He only has a 100+ receiving yard day with TD... Granted Daniels has yet to play, but with my luck I highly doubt that he will surpass that. ::)

Why did I waste a pickup on Chad Henne? I just noticed today someone who I would have thought for sure would be on someone's team was actually available and there is no way he will be after today... :-X
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 19, 2011, 01:26 AM
Daniels had a pretty good game, so hopefully things worked out for you.  I trade for Finley thinking he would be big this year, but Gronkowski has dwarfed him the last two weeks.  Might have a TE to trade if anyone wants one.

Apparently I have a curse on any RB on my squad.  S. Jackson goes down in week 1, now it looks like Charles is out for the year.  Apologies in advance to the rest of my RBs...it's just a matter of time before you guys are all in the infirmary.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 22, 2011, 09:41 AM
I asked Marin about that trade last night and she didn't realize that Daniel Thomas had his 100 yards in one game and not two but that she wasn't particularly worried about it and wasn't using Thomas (she wasn't place the same value on RB depth that we do).  If you guys don't like that trade, I think it only takes 3 votes to cancel it.  Yes, it's her Dad, but it's not some sort of collusion thing, he sends trade offers out left and right and most of them get rejected, but for whatever reason, she didn't think this one was a big deal and accepted.  There's no controversy or conspiracy, just vote against it if you don't like it.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2011, 12:02 PM
Considering that this isn't the first scandal that Patrick has been involved in, I want a full investigation into what went on here, including phone records, emails, and surveillance footage of meetings between Patrick and Marin, bank records including recent withdrawals, and any life insurance policies or wills that were recently crafted.





Commish we're gonna need this done in the next 2 days before the trade review time is up.

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 22, 2011, 12:07 PM
If you knew Patrick, you'd find your scandal joke even funnier.  He's the nicest guy on the planet.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2011, 01:14 PM
If I thought you guys were serious, I'd be all over it.  But with needing a whopping three votes to veto it, I'm just not too worried. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 22, 2011, 01:48 PM
I submitted my veto.  No offense to Patrick or Marin ... it just isn't remotely a fair trade and makes a 2-0 team unfairly stronger.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on September 22, 2011, 02:00 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but is it really that big of a deal?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 22, 2011, 02:44 PM
Nope, it's not a big deal in the slightest.  Feel free to vote it if you think it's lopsided.


Brent, I could be wrong about the 3 votes thing... I'm not 100% sure what the number is.  Were you citing that because I said it or because you checked the rules?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2011, 02:56 PM
Monkey see, monkey do.   :-[

I'll check the rules.

And the rules state 1/3 of the league (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/sports/fantasysports/football/rules/frules-11.html;_ylt=Aqk26o0n0s_FDLAJ0rBt4iBe73hG) so the actual number to veto a trade in a 12 team league is four (4) votes against. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 22, 2011, 03:01 PM
Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think it might be a majority thing.  I think the 3 came from some vote where a trade was voted down in a 7 team baseball league a few years ago.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2011, 03:02 PM
See my post above.  For 12 team league it is 4 votes or 1/3 of the league. 

Thanks for asking for clarification Rob.  I linked the page that discusses it. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2011, 03:54 PM
If you knew Patrick, you'd find your scandal joke even funnier.  He's the nicest guy on the planet.

Fine.  I'll forget about the video surveillance.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2011, 03:59 PM
I submitted my veto.  No offense to Patrick or Marin ... it just isn't remotely a fair trade and makes a 2-0 team unfairly stronger.

That's really not what a veto is for.  It is not a stretch to think that Lance Moore could finish with more fantasy points scored than Daniel Thomas (who?) who has had a total of 1 quality game in his life.

Gimme a break.

Now if it were Adrian Peterson for Lance Moore, I'd be right in the front of the parade of people vetoing that one.

I do not see anyone else in this league going along with you on this one.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 22, 2011, 04:03 PM
See my post above.  For 12 team league it is 4 votes or 1/3 of the league. 

Thanks for asking for clarification Rob.  I linked the page that discusses it.

Yep, and thanks for the info.  Good to know.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 22, 2011, 05:06 PM
I submitted my veto.  No offense to Patrick or Marin ... it just isn't remotely a fair trade and makes a 2-0 team unfairly stronger.

That's really not what a veto is for.  It is not a stretch to think that Lance Moore could finish with more fantasy points scored than Daniel Thomas (who?) who has had a total of 1 quality game in his life.

Gimme a break.

Now if it were Adrian Peterson for Lance Moore, I'd be right in the front of the parade of people vetoing that one.

I do not see anyone else in this league going along with you on this one.

Actually, that is exactly what the veto is intended for.  It is intended to prevent one owner from unfairly bolstering another team through a lopsided trade.  I'm pretty sure that can apply to trades involving someone other than the #1 overall player, Matt.  Value is based on a player's potential going forward, not the sum of his historical performances.  Why is Cam Newton (who?) in starting lineups this week with only two games under his belt?  Is it based on his many years of experience or the last two games? 

Besides, A. Peterson had 25 carries for 120 yards last week againstly lowly Tampa.  D. Thomas had 18 carries for 107 yards against the Texans who are allowing just 10pts per game.  They were basically the only runners for their respective teams.  Why are Earth would you be first in line to block a Peterson trade, but couldn't care less about Thomas?  I don't get your rationale at all, but here is mine...

D. Thomas was drafted fairly early in all 6 of my leagues - Moore wasn't even drafted (and is still a FA) in all my leagues except this one.  Thomas is a starting RB that probably won't even share time with Bush by the end of the season.  He could easily finish in the top 10-20 of RBs, which is the toughest and most differentiating position in fantasy football.  Contrast to Lance Moore, who may not even be the #1 or #2 WR in New Orleans AND he's coming off an injury. Do a search on any FFL website and try to find one that doesn't sound giddy about Thomas as the lead rusher in Miami.

There isn't one person in a million out there who thinks L. Moore is going to have more fantasy value than Daniel Thomas this year.  I don't think even Maris believes that now that she knows the facts.  Could he?  Sure.  Butt Favre could also unretire for the Vikings and win them a Super Bowl this year.  Or using your example, L. Moore could outscore A. Peterson by the end of the season, couldn't he?  If you want to use the "Well it could happen" rationale then we shouldn't even have a veto option because golly gee I guess you never know.

And I'm sure this will just floor you, but a few people have already gone along with me on this.  I guess they have decided to be less publically vocal about it or maybe they have better things to do.  That's their choice.  This trade wouldn't stand in any of my other leagues, especially given the fact that the two owners are related.  Like I said before, I don't think this was collusion, but I also think Maris might be more likely to make a trade with her dad than someone else and it really wasn't even fair for Patrick to make the offer as he clearly knows what he's doing. 

So, I've made my case for a veto.  If we don't have 3 other people willing to stand up and block it, then it's clearly a bigger deal for me than others and we can happily just move on.  I'm fine with that - just wanted to explain my position.

 'Nuff said.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2011, 05:25 PM
You are off your rocker.

Lance Moore, past 3 years - Played 2 seasons, hurt the other one.  Of the 2 seasons he played, 1700 yards and 18 TD's combined over those 2 years.

And you are having a fit over Daniel Thomas, a guy who has played one NFL game and had 18 carries for 100 yards and a fumble lost.

And this trade is SOOOOO out of whack that you need to veto it?

And I thought trying to scalp a Marvel Universe figure to another longtime JD forum member was bad, but this one sucks even more.

And all this from the same guy who 2 weeks ago was lobbying everyone to bend the rules for him to force through a trade without league review to benefit him in week 1.

So let me get this straight, your trades do not require review, but Patrick and Marin's trades need to be put under a microscope and dissected to death.

Great.


I submitted my veto.  No offense to Patrick or Marin ... it just isn't remotely a fair trade and makes a 2-0 team unfairly stronger.

That's really not what a veto is for.  It is not a stretch to think that Lance Moore could finish with more fantasy points scored than Daniel Thomas (who?) who has had a total of 1 quality game in his life.

Gimme a break.

Now if it were Adrian Peterson for Lance Moore, I'd be right in the front of the parade of people vetoing that one.

I do not see anyone else in this league going along with you on this one.

Actually, that is exactly what the veto is intended for.  It is intended to prevent one owner from unfairly bolstering another team through a lopsided trade.  I'm pretty sure that can apply to trades involving someone other than the #1 overall player, Matt.  Value is based on a player's potential going forward, not the sum of his historical performances.  Why is Cam Newton (who?) in starting lineups this week with only two games under his belt?  Is it based on his many years of experience or the last two games? 

Besides, A. Peterson had 25 carries for 120 yards last week againstly lowly Tampa.  D. Thomas had 18 carries for 107 yards against the Texans who are allowing just 10pts per game.  They were basically the only runners for their respective teams.  Why are Earth would you be first in line to block a Peterson trade, but couldn't care less about Thomas?  I don't get your rationale at all, but here is mine...

D. Thomas was drafted fairly early in all 6 of my leagues - Moore wasn't even drafted (and is still a FA) in all my leagues except this one.  Thomas is a starting RB that probably won't even share time with Bush by the end of the season.  He could easily finish in the top 10-20 of RBs, which is the toughest and most differentiating position in fantasy football.  Contrast to Lance Moore, who may not even be the #1 or #2 WR in New Orleans AND he's coming off an injury. Do a search on any FFL website and try to find one that doesn't sound giddy about Thomas as the lead rusher in Miami.

There isn't one person in a million out there who thinks L. Moore is going to have more fantasy value than Daniel Thomas this year.  I don't think even Maris believes that now that she knows the facts.  Could he?  Sure.  Butt Favre could also unretire for the Vikings and win them a Super Bowl this year.  Or using your example, L. Moore could outscore A. Peterson by the end of the season, couldn't he?  If you want to use the "Well it could happen" rationale then we shouldn't even have a veto option because golly gee I guess you never know.

And I'm sure this will just floor you, but a few people have already gone along with me on this.  I guess they have decided to be less publically vocal about it or maybe they have better things to do.  That's their choice.  This trade wouldn't stand in any of my other leagues, especially given the fact that the two owners are related.  Like I said before, I don't think this was collusion, but I also think Maris might be more likely to make a trade with her dad than someone else and it really wasn't even fair for Patrick to make the offer as he clearly knows what he's doing. 

So, I've made my case for a veto.  If we don't have 3 other people willing to stand up and block it, then it's clearly a bigger deal for me than others and we can happily just move on.  I'm fine with that - just wanted to explain my position.

 'Nuff said.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 22, 2011, 05:47 PM
Jesus Justin, we've been doing this league for like 8 years and we've never had as much bickering as we did in the first 2 weeks of this one.   

There's no VETO unless Brent feels the need, there's only a voting system. 

So, vote against it, and then let it go.  If the trade is really unfair, there will EASILY be 4 people who agree with you enough to vote it down.

And once you vote, the vote IS registered, even if it still lets you push the button later.

Thomas was a 6th rounder, Moore an 8th rounder.  One is a good receiver on an excellent offense, the other is a time-sharing rookie on a bad team.  Hardly the cheating / unfairness scenario you keep alluding to.  This has turned into a whole lot of whining over very little.  Vote, and then move on.


Besides, A. Peterson had 25 carries for 120 yards last week againstly lowly Tampa.  D. Thomas had 18 carries for 107 yards against the Texans who are allowing just 10pts per game.  They were basically the only runners for their respective teams.  Why are Earth would you be first in line to block a Peterson trade, but couldn't care less about Thomas?  I don't get your rationale at all, but here is mine...

Weird that you left out Peterson's TWO TOUCHDOWNS, Thomas' fumble, and the fact that Reggie Bush's gets carries in Miami while no one is touching Peterson's workload unless he rips an MCL when you made that comparison. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 22, 2011, 07:32 PM
You two do understand the difference between a forum and a blog, right?  Last I checked, this was a forum intended for discussion, not "Matt and Rob's Blog" where no one gets to voice their independent thoughts.  This will shock you, but people CAN converse back and forth with differing opinions without someone feeling the need to label it a fit or bickering because they can't handle a thought that doesn't match their own.  I know you have this ridiculous expectation that you should get to say what you want and everyone should fall in line, but it just doesn't work like that here.  You can also stop exaggerating issues and start telling the truth if you want to publicly debate things.

Let's start with Matt first, since he's more fun than Rob.  Matt, I'm sure you would oppose me regardless of my stand on anything these days.  For those that don't know, Matt is upset that I offered to sell him my Archangel Marvel U figure for $30.  I paid $8 for it ages ago and now it goes for $40 or more on Ebay.  I honestly thought I was helping him out, but he took offense and now takes to trolling through my threads to bad mouth me and call me a scalper whenever he can, including in the smack talk on our Yahoo Fantasy Football site.  Now THAT is throwing a fit.  I'm tempted to just sell you the figure for $8 if you'll agree to just stop whining about it for 5 minutes.  That's clearly what this is really about for you and its obvious from your post.  I tried being civil about it for as long as I could, but you just don't stop.  Go try to spin it however you like, you're a 12 year old girl having a hissy because you can't get your doll for $8. 

And yes, I did lobby to have my trade deadline sped up after asking anyone if they had opposition to the trade.  It was a unique circumstance given the timing of the draft, the Thursday night game, the fact that I couldn't get into the draft room, so I made my case.  And when we decided not to do it, I kindly shut up about it and went on my merry way, just like I said I would. 

I'm sorry that you were raised not to ask questions.  I personally don't have an issue with someone making their case about anything.  Just like my offer for the figure, you can agree or disagree - you can like it or leave it.  What you probably shouldn't do is be a big baby about it and get down on someone every chance you get just because you disagree with them.  I rarely agree with Rob, but I respect his right to an opinion no matter how much it differs from mine.

And speaking of Rob, I've gone on much too long without getting back to you.  I'm using "veto" interchangably with "vote against" because it's shorter to type and my posts are already too long.  I guess that confused you.  Feel free to interpret each "Veto" as "vote against" if it makes you less crabby. You can do the same for others who also used veto, since that word obviously upsets you.

Let's set a few other things straight.  First, YOU were the one that brought the discussion here, not me.  I posted a line about it on yahoosports and suddenly you're talking with Maris and making multiple posts about it here.  If you don't want people to discuss it, don't post about it.  If you do post about it, don't be so pissy that someone comments on it.   That's kind of what happens in a forum.  Kindly accept that and stop labeling every voice of opposition as "whining."  There's a clear difference between supporting your opinion and complaining about not getting your way, and I know you're grown up enough to get that.

And PLEASE don't make up **** about what I said.  I have had plenty of conversations with Patrick on the side and I know he's a good guy.  I have clearly clearly clearly stated multiple times that I don't think there was collusion...now you're saying I am accusing him of cheating?  Really Rob?  Let's be a little more honest about the stats as well.  Bush had 3 carries, Thomas had 18 last week.  Peterson had 25 and Tobey had 2 carries.  If Thomas is a time share, then Peterson is too.  And so are Mendenhall, and Turner, and every other back who had someone else run more than twice last Sunday.  And I like how Thomas plays on a bad 0-2 team, but Peterson is clearly on a good 0-2 team.  Get real.  Yes, Peterson had 2 TD's, but it isn't like Thomas is getting pulled for Bush at the goalline.  I am OBVIOUSLY not saying Peterson and Thomas are equals - I was trying to understand why, when there are many similarities, Matt would be front and center opposing an AP trade, but not a Thomas trade.  But I guess we covered Matt's insecurities above.

I'll throw in one last note that you're clearly biased on this.  We always disagree in the pit, so really no surprise that you feel the need to carry that to other subjects I guess.  It's not like this is the first time you've done that.  It's also very clear that your relationship with Maris and Patrick has zero influence on your opinion.   ::)

I guess I'll have to just keep repeating myself until the words can pas through your thick heads...

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So, I've made my case for a veto.  If we don't have 3 other people willing to stand up and block it, then it's clearly a bigger deal for me than others and we can happily just move on.  I'm fine with that - just wanted to explain my position.


Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 22, 2011, 09:29 PM
I'll throw in one last note that you're clearly biased on this.  We always disagree in the pit, so really no surprise that you feel the need to carry that to other subjects I guess.  It's not like this is the first time you've done that.  It's also very clear that your relationship with Maris and Patrick has zero influence on your opinion.   ::)

I don't think I'm going to go into the point-for-point thing since we've basically covered it, but I am going to address this one.  The only problem with this theory of yours is that it's a really really bad one...  You should have noticed by now that the guy I've argued and disagreed politically with more than anyone else over the last 8 or so years here (and even before that at Rebelscum.) and I agree that you're full of it on this issue.  You can also ask the rest of the righties how many of them I've let politics "carry over" into other forums.  I think the answer would be none.  I get along just fine with people here.  The political thing stays in there, and I think I've been good about that. 

I just happen to think that your incessant crying over this non-issue is ridiculous, so I said as much.

And speaking of Rob, I've gone on much too long without getting back to you.  I'm using "veto" interchangably with "vote against" because it's shorter to type and my posts are already too long.

Huh?  How is VETO shorter than VOTE to type?   ???

If you don't want people to discuss it, don't post about it.  If you do post about it, don't be so pissy that someone comments on it.

Nonsense.  I'm discussing it, just like you are - and my point of view is that there's nothing to whine about concerning that trade, that there is a mechanism in place for calmly voting on it, and that you're making an ass of yourself.  Conclude what you will, but that's what's going on (and it's not the first time).


Now Dressel... I would like to know what secret relationship you've struck up with Marin and Patrick that has similarly biased you.   >:(
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 22, 2011, 10:37 PM
Can you please call out the incessant crying, whining, and ass-of-making?  You're "discussing it just like I am," but you need to call my part of the discussion "whining" and "crying" because...why?  Does it make you feel more justified belittling the opinion of someone else calling it crying or whining?  Vintage Rob - when you run out of counterpoints, you start demeaning the other person and tell them they're being an ass about it. 

Guess I need to post this yet again since you keep missing it...
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So, I've made my case for a veto.  If we don't have 3 other people willing to stand up and block it, then it's clearly a bigger deal for me than others and we can happily just move on.  I'm fine with that - just wanted to explain my position.
 
You can find more of my "whining and crying" on the FFL site, where earlier today I deliberately posted Patrick's point of view for others to read and make up their own mind.

Honestly, if it's such a non-issue, why did you bring it up in this thread and why do you continue to quote me and post about it?   I posted my response because I want to make other owners aware of an issue that matters to me.  If it doesn't matter to you, then why are you wasting your time with it?

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2011, 10:47 PM
Now Dressel... I would like to know what secret relationship you've struck up with Marin and Patrick that has similarly biased you.   >:(

Now that's some funny **** right there.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2011, 05:47 AM


Now Dressel... I would like to know what secret relationship you've struck up with Marin and Patrick that has similarly biased you.   >:(

Does this mean that I am uninvited to Thanksgiving?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 23, 2011, 10:42 AM
And this trade is SOOOOO out of whack that you need to veto it?

I do not see anyone else in this league going along with you on this one.

Looks like there was enough interest to VETO it. 
(Rob, that means people "voted against" it in case you're concerned about the usage of the word).

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/jman5544/Misc/Yahoosports1.png)

I guess it wasn't such a non-issue after all, was it?  Hope you two can still get together at Thanksgiving to eat some delicious crow.   ;)

Looking forward to our game this week Matt.  I hope you get Vick back, so we can keep it close.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2011, 11:19 AM
I guess it wasn't such a non-issue after all, was it?

Actually, that the voting system worked proves unequivocally that it was a non-issue.  But nice try.  If it had gone through it still would have been a non-issue.


Looks like there was enough interest to VETO it. 
(Rob, that means people "voted against" it in case you're concerned about the usage of the word).

Nope, that's not what it means at all:  "A veto, Latin for "I forbid", is the power of an officer of the state to unilaterally stop an official action"

So, it wasn't vetoed in any sense of the word, unless Brent single-handedly put the kibosh on it.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2011, 11:32 AM
Okay, so who are the 3 musketeers that went along with crazy scalper boy?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 23, 2011, 11:35 AM
Well, maybe you should read the wording in the picture and stop embarrassing yourself.  It's a done issue, but you just can't let it go...
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2011, 11:35 AM


Now Dressel... I would like to know what secret relationship you've struck up with Marin and Patrick that has similarly biased you.   >:(

Does this mean that I am uninvited to Thanksgiving?

You're always invited to our liberal, vegetarian, Thanksgivings. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2011, 11:37 AM
Well, maybe you should read the wording in the picture and stop embarrassing yourself.  It's a done issue, but you just can't let it go...

Sorry if I happen to know better than Yahoo! Sports when it comes to word meanings. 

What would constitute "letting it go" for you?  Do you need the last word or something?  If so, have at it.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 23, 2011, 11:37 AM
Okay, so who are the 3 musketeers that went along with crazy scalper boy?

I know who some of them were from PMs.  I really don't blame them for not speaking up publicly given your ridiculous reaction and attacks on here, "boy."   ::)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2011, 11:41 AM
Okay, so who are the 3 musketeers that went along with crazy scalper boy?

I know who some of them were from PMs.  I really don't blame them for not speaking up publicly given your ridiculous reaction and attacks on here, "boy."   ::)

Well I just want to know who they are so that we can hold their attempted trades to the same extraordinarily high standard of scrutiny.

Especially considering the ringleader is the biggest hypocrite of all for trying to avoid the league's trade review process for the only trade he attempted so far.

Unbelievable.

And this trade doesn't have anything to do with me, I just find it to be an abuse of the trade review process.

I literally never saw anything like this in a decade of fantasy sports.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 23, 2011, 11:48 AM
Sorry if I happen to know better than Yahoo! Sports when it comes to word meanings. 
What would constitute "letting it go" for you?  Do you need the last word or something?  If so, have at it.

Um, letting it go for me would be you stopping your "incessant crying" about the correct definition of the word veto in a SW thread about fantasy football.  But you should already know that, since you're the master of "word meanings."

It certainly isn't having the last word, as I know that will never happen.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 23, 2011, 11:53 AM
Just to clarify, I did not veto or vote against. 

I would vote against a vegetarian thanksgiving however.  I'm sure the meal is enjoyable and nutritious, but damn, I love me some turkey. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 23, 2011, 12:29 PM
Well I just want to know who they are so that we can hold their attempted trades to the same extraordinarily high standard of scrutiny.

Especially considering the ringleader is the biggest hypocrite of all for trying to avoid the league's trade review process for the only trade he attempted so far.

Unbelievable.

And this trade doesn't have anything to do with me, I just find it to be an abuse of the trade review process.

I literally never saw anything like this in a decade of fantasy sports.

My request was different than this issue in about a dozen different ways.  Seems like everyone here can see that exept you.  I expect you're equally frustrated with the two people who asked Brent to protect their waiver rankings, since asking a question about something so easily puts you out of sorts. 

If this trade doesn't have anything to do with you, why are you so interested in posting about it and calling others out?  Christ Matt, I didn't invent the option to vote against trades in this league.  Frankly, I'm shocked that all your mocking and put-downs didn't scare people away from voting.

Gotta say, in my decade of playing FFL, I have never seen anyone complain so much about an opposing viewpoint.  People make their case, it gets voted on or decided by the commish, and it's done.  In our league, people voted, the trade was cancelled and now you're calling it an "abuse of the trade review process."  Unbelievable is right. 

I will admit one thing to you.  I am vocal about my opinions and I'm not afraid to defend a position that goes against the "crowd" (or 2 people in this case).  If that offends you, then maybe you should avoid discussions I'm involved in, especially if you find an issue that "has nothing to do with you." I'm sure this never occurred to you, but there are people on JD who don't want to publicly disagree with guys like you (or Rob), because this is the kind of BS they are subjected to when they voice an opposing opinion.  I hope you feel great about the fact that your behavior creates an environment where people aren't willing to publicly say what they think.

My sincere apologies to both Patrick and Maris for any anguish they may have felt over all this BS arguing.  It was obviously an honest mistake that really didn't need this much attention.  I've really said all I need to on this, so please say whatever else you need to and we can get back to complaining about our crappy fantasy football teams. Here's hoping my crap team is fired up enough to still beat the snot out of Matt's crap team.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2011, 12:50 PM
Marin.  The name is Marin.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Ryan on September 23, 2011, 08:25 PM
I'm a bit late to the party here and don't mean to kick the dying horse while it's down... but I'm with Rob and Dressel on this one. The fact that THOSE two, of all the people in the history of this league, are in such agreement on this issue should really say something about the whole situation. You are off your marbles on this one Justin. Why is it that you have been at the center of almost every controversy we have had in this league since you have joined? We haven't even played through three weeks of the season and already we have had a problem every week.  ::)

I hardly seen this as an unfair or one-sided trade. The trade was a 6th rounder for an 8th rounder. Moore has had some decent production in the two years he has played, as Dressel posted: 1700 yards and 18 TD's combined. Those aren't shabby numbers at all. The guy he is being traded for is a rookie who did manage a 100 yard game, with a fumble. Beyond that though who knows? He was a second rounder this year for the Dolphins, so it isn't like he is a really highly touted 1st round back. He could have a great year, he could also have just an average rookie year, no one really knows because he is an unproven rookie. Just because he is a starter and was a high draft pick, doesn't make this a lopsided trade. Two years ago the Broncos took Knowshon Moreno in the 1st round and he was supposed to be our new franchise RB, and up until this point in his career he has been nicked named "No-Gain" Moreno around here by sportswriters. He has managed only or or two 100 yard games and hasn't hit 1000 yds in a season yet either. My point is he hasn't yet lived up to his draft position yet, and who knows if he will? The same thing could happen with Thomas, you just don't know. Lance Moore plays for a great Saints offense with one of the NFL's top QBs in Drew Brees throwing him the ball, that immediately helps his chances in my book. Add in some injuries to the Saints WRs and he gets more playing time too. I really don't understand where any of your whining on this comes from.

I'm not involved in the trade at all either and I hardly find it unfair. If you had proposed this trade to whomever else voted against it I'd be saying the exact same thing... I'm curious to know who else voted against this... and why they don't do such a thing?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 24, 2011, 01:55 AM
*sigh*

#1 - Seriously, why is bringing up a question or an opinion a "problem" or "whining" for you?  Are we still in America or is the JD forum a police state?  I am not the only one who thought the trade was unfair. I'm just the only one who publicly said it.  I posed this question to a dozen fantasy football players outside of JD and not one of them thought it was a fair trade.  I also posted Patrick's viewpoint right on the Yahoo Sports site to make sure he was heard.  Is that your definition of whining?  Maybe you should check in with Rob, who is a master of word meanings because I think you're confused on this one.  You're entitled to your own opinion about the issue, but don't criticize me for sharing my mine. 

#2 - Obviously I'm not the only person who thought it was a ridiculous trade because 4 people voted against it.  I'm only at the "center" of it because I'm the one who spoke out.  Please see Brent's response to the first issue - there were three people making requests outside of the rules after the draft.  And wow look, one of them was Rob.  Rob, the same guy who brought the issue up in this thread.  Why do you consider me at the center of all these "problems," but not Rob?

#3 - What is with the need to publicly call out people who voted against this?!  How will that possibly help you outside of finding someone else to put down?  Seriously, it's ****** that you would even ask about it.  Read my post above if you want to know why others haven't said anything.

Again, it's a dead issue at this point, or at least it is for me.  Shame on me for letting you suck me back in.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 25, 2011, 03:14 PM
Ahhh...27-18 against Matt and I'm only playing my TE and backup RB thus far. 

;D  Happy Sunday All!   ;D
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 25, 2011, 03:29 PM
Ahhh...27-18 against Matt and I'm only playing my TE and backup RB thus far. 

;D  Happy Sunday All!   ;D

I didn't expect you to be commenting until later tonight.  Isn't Sunday a big day for you scalpers to emerge from your parent's basements to hock your wares at the flea market?  How'd you get out so early?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 25, 2011, 03:58 PM
Ahhh...27-18 against Matt and I'm only playing my TE and backup RB thus far. 

;D  Happy Sunday All!   ;D

I didn't expect you to be commenting until later tonight.  Isn't Sunday a big day for you scalpers to emerge from your parent's basements to hock your wares at the flea market?  How'd you get out so early?

Classic.  The mighty Dressel is pissy about losing in fantasy football, so we're back to the "scalper" labeling.  Man does it feel good kicking your ass.

Oh, and my Sunday's are usually pretty easy going.  I only have the one figure left to scalp.  By the way, Archangel is up to $200 now if you still want it.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 25, 2011, 04:10 PM
Well.  Congratulations on what will most likely be a week 3 win then.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 25, 2011, 04:24 PM
Well.  Congratulations on what will most likely be a week 3 win then.

Much appreciated.  Better luck next week.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 25, 2011, 07:34 PM
Today:
Daniel Thomas - 14.13 Fantasy Points
Lance Moore - 15.87 Fantasy Points

Even deal - case closed.

I'm going to tell Marin to re-propose that trade if the two of them still want to make it.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 25, 2011, 11:25 PM
Today:
Daniel Thomas - 14.13 Fantasy Points
Lance Moore - 15.87 Fantasy Points

Even deal - case closed.

I'm going to tell Marin to re-propose that trade if the two of them still want to make it.

Unbelievable.  The case was already closed when the league voted.  Yeah, L. More got one TD this week.  The rookie WR from Baltimre got 3, so why not just drop Moore and pick him up?  Thomas has clearly taken over for Miami, but hey, it's all based on what they did today, right?  Why don't you just tell Marin to trade Moore for A. Peterson - 12.47 Fantasy Points?  That seems like it's more than fair given the weekly totals.   At least then I won't have to get involved as Matt said he would take point on fighting that one.

You're ridiculous.  We voted, we discussed, it was done. And now here YOU are bringing it up again, even though the trade has nothing to do with you.  I guess that is why we have the option to vote against trades - so that they can be offered up again week after week until it goes through.  Amazing.  I hope Ryan notices and decides to call out that you, Rob, are once again at the center of our fantasy football contraversary.

Go ahead and advise your relatives on the trades they should make, so that you can be sure to get your way.  I'm not going to waste my time voting or commenting on it - why bother?  This is obviously Rob's show and no one can rest until Rob gets his way.  Talk about whining and not letting it go - dude, you are the definition of whining and not letting it go.   
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Ryan on September 26, 2011, 12:30 AM
Marin or Patrick could trade me Lance Moore or Thomas for Chris Johnson... :-X

It suck losing Kenny Britt for the season when I have such a low waiver wire priority this week...  :'(
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on September 26, 2011, 01:07 AM
That does stink, but at least there are lots of decent WRs out there. I was able to pick one up last week despite a low waiver position (I think I was in the bottom half). Better than having to get a bunch of RBs
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Jesse James on September 26, 2011, 05:05 AM
I'm kind of tied up, as are most of us here right now, so I'm just going to say that we should keep our **** talking in here (which I appreciate speaking of the ****, I guess, in a "fantasy sports league") to a minimum if you can, and try to stick with talking **** about the sport...  err, fantasy sport, and stuff.

Please try to leave out off-topic-****-talking is what I'm trying to say...  I really like to stay out of the fantasy sports threads, kind of like the Pit, and so I'd appreciate all cooperation on this please.  Pounding your chest about you picking the right thing or guy to play whatever week though, go for it on that stuff.  It'll just keep it more civil and more fun for everyone.

Feel free to argue about trade disagreements too, till you're blue in the face, and what's fair and who's being a dick or not.  Just try to keep random insulting and stuff to a minimum, and please just keep things in here and not elsewhere on the site.

Or better yet, sling poop at each other in private if you want, but just try to keep the arguing in here "on topic".  Thank you, please drive through.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 26, 2011, 11:44 AM


Unbelievable.  The case was already closed when the league voted.

Not exactly.  I know of at least one person who will remain nameless who voted against it who wishes they hadn't voted against it.  So unless you had 5 votes before, it won't be voted down this time.


Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 26, 2011, 11:47 AM
Marin or Patrick could trade me Lance Moore or Thomas for Chris Johnson... :-X

It suck losing Kenny Britt for the season when I have such a low waiver wire priority this week...  :'(

I'd be willing to trade for Chris Johnson at the right price.  Look at my roster and see if there's anything you're interested in.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 26, 2011, 12:05 PM
I should have kept J. Charles - he would be a terrific trade fo Britt or maybe even Chris Johnson or Arian Foster at this point.    :-X
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 29, 2011, 09:32 AM
Yet another trade scandal with Patrick this morning.  He's turning into the Charlie Sheen of fantasy football!

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 29, 2011, 10:10 AM
I don't understand what happened with that trade?  Doesn't Ryan have to identify what player he plans on dropping before a 2 for 1 trade can be accepted? 

How exactly did this one fall apart?

He made a trade for Chris Johnson that wasn't voted down, yet didn't go through.  I'd be pretty pissed if it were me.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2011, 10:50 AM
It's the illegal roster issue.  If the trade goes through and Ryan hasn't dropped a player, the system doesn't know how to process the extra guy.  This is a change from years past as I have seen trades like this process in Yahoo before.  The site used to awared you the extra player, but a notice came up saying you have an illegal roster and you had to drop a guy before you could do anything with your lineup for the week. 

I can't speak for Ryan, but he may have thought he could drop his extra guy after the trade went through.  Ah the perils of a free FFL site - we are just at the mercy of Yahoo changes.

I'd suggest Ryan propose the trade again and include the guy he is going to drop to make it a 2:2 trade.  There is still time to get it done before Sunday.  Given this situation, we now know to drop an extra guy if the number of players is imbalanced.  Or if you want to guarantee this won't happen with your future trades, you just need to make sure your trades include the same number of players, so ask the guy you're trading with to include his dump player.

Bummer that it didn't process, but seems like an easy fix if they still want to make the trade.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 29, 2011, 10:56 AM
That's weird... I don't trade much, but I could have sworn that to accept that kind of trade you have to identify who's getting dropped ahead of time and then that guy is wrapped up in the trade details... I've always seen it look like this:

Team A Players to Trade:  Bob and Dan

Team B Players to Trade:  Rick
Team B Players to Drop:   John
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 29, 2011, 01:31 PM
Um, if Patrick wants Bob and Dan, he has to give up more than Rick or I am vetoing.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2011, 01:46 PM
Um, if Patrick wants Bob and Dan, he has to give up more than Rick or I am vetoing.

You're crazy.  Rick is easily worth a Bob and a Dan. 

Rob - you are correct that it asks you to drop a guy, but I think this is only if the person proposing the trade will have a roster conflict.

Example:
If Patrick propses that he gets Bob and Dan in exchange for his Rick, Patrick has to specify within that proposal who he is going to drop to make room for both players

But, if Patrick is proposing that he give away Bob and Dan in exchange for Rick, then I don't think it asks ever asks Ryan who he wants to drop when he accepts.

Cripes - you'd think it would be easier than this...
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 29, 2011, 01:52 PM
Yeah, that's stupid.  It should be the same both ways.

As for the trade, the real travesty here is that John's getting dropped.  I could have sworn he was on the can't-cut list.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 29, 2011, 03:51 PM
I thought you always had to ID the guy being dropped too. 

If there's not great contention here (other than me wanting Chris Johnson) I can force that trade by adjusting the rosters.  Ryan just has to either drop a guy, or tell me who to drop and then I can make the switches. 

As mentioned, I saw no veto, only the note about the roster size blocking the trade. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2011, 11:09 PM
No one voted against the trade, so I would normally be fine with this.  That said, I think we've set a pretty definitive precedent for sticking to the site rules for trades and deadlines.  As long as a new trade is reaccepted before noon on Friday, the trade can still go through in time for this week's games.  I think we should let Patrick and Ryan resubmit the trade (if they still want to) now that we all know the workaround for it. Ideally Ryan would request it, so that he can include his dropped player in the proposal.

If you really want to force the trade for some reason, it's not that big of a deal to me.  I just don't see a reason for commissioner involvement, especially in this case when they can fix it on their own.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 29, 2011, 11:27 PM
I explained what we've been talking about here to Patrick and he re-submitted the trade to Ryan.  No word from him yet as to whether or not he'll accept and whether the whole thing was a misunderstanding or what not.

I do think your timeline might be wrong about Friday being in time for Sunday... isn't the trade waiting period like 3 days?  The only potential reason I could see for commissioner involvement is if it really was a glitch or misunderstanding and there isn't time to process the trade without Brent's help.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on September 29, 2011, 11:29 PM
Cool.  And those are good points Justin, at this point there isn't need for me to do anything.  I do see some similarity between this request and your request earlier in the year.  My involvement is not really necessary given the error is Ryan's and Ryan's alone in not dropping a player. 

I wil reiterate I remember yahoo used to force us to say which player would be dropped but it would seem that has changed and is now the player's responsibility. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 30, 2011, 12:48 AM
yahoo used to force us to say which player would be dropped but it would seem that has changed and is now the player's responsibility. 

Which quite frankly is ******* dumb.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 30, 2011, 05:27 AM
yahoo used to force us to say which player would be dropped but it would seem that has changed and is now the player's responsibility. 

Which quite frankly is ******* dumb.

Yeah that's the first time I've run into this. 

So, what do we have to do, if we accept a trade when we are getting more players than we gave away, sometime before the trade goes through we need to drop a player on our own?

It has never been that way for me in like 10 years.  I was always forced to select who was going to be dropped as part of the trade sequence.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 30, 2011, 12:30 PM
I don't really see that it makes much difference.  You have two options:

#1 - drop a player before the trade processes, so that you don't have an illegal roster when the trade deadline hits.  This gives you a few extra days to think about who you would drop.  If you know right away, then drop the guy when you accept the trade.  If you want to wait in case the trade gets voted down, then just be sure to do it the morning the trade is supposed to process.

#2 - if you want to avoid all that, just make sure you are trading an equal number of players.  If you're going to drop a guy, counter offer the trade to give away your originally offered player and include the player you are dropping.  This is essentially the same as dropping a player for you and it doesn't hurt the person receiving your dropped player, as they can either hold that guy or drop him for someone else.

The disadvantage here is that you have to remember to drop a guy or that you may drop a guy early and then the trade doesn't go through.  There are easy ways around that though using either of the methods above.  On the flip side, the current setup allows you to think about who to drop for a few extra days. Also, if you force a guy to include his dropped player in the trade up front, then that team does not have the option to drop their dump player while the trade is under review.  What if the trade doesn't go through and now you've missed two days of potentially picking up a replacement for the guy you were going to drop? 

Here's an example: You have J. Charles and he goes down.  Someone offers you two RBs for one of your solid ones.  You agree and intend to just drop Charles as he no longer has any value.  With the old method, Charles has to be named as the player to be dropped and is locked up for two days.  If the trade doesn't go through, you still have Charles two days later.  With the current system, maybe you could drop charles and get McCluster to replace him early in the week.  If the trade looks like it will go through, you can then just drop McCluster shortly before the trade review deadline.  If the trade doesn't go through, then you didn't waste two days and risk someone else potentially picking up McCluster.

I actually like the current system a little better as it gives you more options, but I really don't think it's a big deal either way.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 30, 2011, 12:55 PM
I don't really see that it makes much difference.  You have two options:

It's a big deal for the reason that Patrick stated in his original email.  It gives one particular party the option of backing out at any point by simply not dropping a player.  An option that they shouldn't have in the first place and, the other party doesn't have.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 30, 2011, 01:09 PM
It's a big deal for the reason that Patrick stated in his original email.  It gives one particular party the option of backing out at any point by simply not dropping a player.  An option that they shouldn't have in the first place and, the other party doesn't have.

And like I said above, if you're worried about that don't enter a trade unless it's based on an equal number of players.  Problem solved.  How hard is it to click the counter offer button and include the guy you're going to drop in a revised trade?  We're averaging less than a trade per week in this league - is it really such a big deal?

Here's another question, I guess mainly for Brent.  If Ryan and Patrick agreed to a trade on Tuesday and Ryan contacted you on Wednesday to say that he didn't mean to agree to the trade or that he wanted to cancel it while it was still under review, could he cancel it or would you cancel it for him?  I would have thought that anyone involved could cancel the trade while it was still under review, regardless of this whole dropped player business.   

Might as well get this one figured out in advance...
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 30, 2011, 01:54 PM
And like I said above, if you're worried about that don't enter a trade unless it's based on an equal number of players.  Problem solved. 

How does sacrificing the ability to trade two players for one to avoid someone having the unfair (and new) ability to back out of a trade at the last minute solve the problem?  That just creates a different problem.

To your other question, as far as I know you can only vote against your own trade once it's accepted and hope for help.  Unless Brent steps in, there's no cancel button.

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on September 30, 2011, 02:43 PM
Rob, you can't be this dense.  Do you just want to have something else to complain about in this league?  Please tell me what the big difference is between these two scenarios:

#1 Team A is going to trade two players to Team B.  Team B is going to trade one player and drop one player.  All 4 players need to be named when the trade is agreed upon.  This is the way the site used to work.

#2 Team A is going to trade two players to Team B.  Team B is going to trade one player to Team A, but should also include another player they would have dropped in order to meet the roster requirements.  This is the way it works now.

How is naming a player to be dropped at the time you agree to the trade any different than just including that same player in the trade before agreeing to it?  In both cases Team B must get rid of one more player and name that player up front.  Team A still gets the guy they want.  No one can back out of the trade if you do it this way, so what are you worried about sacrificing?

If you receive a trade offer that is 2:1, you can simply counter with a 2:2 trade including the player to be dropped.  It is that simple if you're really worried about someone cancelling the trade.  How does this create a different problem for you? 

By the way, I specifically did not use Bob, Dan, Rick, or John, because I am sure all four of these guys are tired of getting their names dragged through the mud.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 30, 2011, 03:01 PM
Rob, you can't be this dense. 

No, he is.  Just not in this instance or for the last couple weeks mostly.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 30, 2011, 03:10 PM
Rob, you can't be this dense. 

No, he is.  Just not in this instance or for the last couple weeks mostly.

I wish I knew how to quit you.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 30, 2011, 07:45 PM
You know I'm just kidding Rob.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on September 30, 2011, 10:50 PM
That's more like it. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Ryan on October 4, 2011, 12:31 AM
I think what actually happened was that I had an open roster spot (that hadn't been filled from dropping Kenny Britt) when I had accepted the trade, but before the time it was processed a waiver claim that I had put in earlier in the week went through and my roster was filled.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on October 4, 2011, 12:57 AM
Bye week starts next week and is seriously hurting my roster. Pretty sure my luck runs out.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on October 4, 2011, 02:51 PM
5th in points scored, 1st in points scored against.  It's going to be a long year.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on October 4, 2011, 03:59 PM
5th in points scored, 1st in points scored against.  It's going to be a long year.

That just means you got all of the tough teams out of the way early.   ;)

I'm going back and forth on excitement over the bye weeks.  Sucks to have to sit your starters, but it's nice to be playing teams that have even bigger names out for the week (R. Rice, P. Hillis, D. Bryant, Balt Defense, etc.).
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on October 4, 2011, 04:54 PM

That just means you got all of the tough teams out of the way early.   ;)


Ha  :D

Hawaiian Curse a tough team?  LOL.  That was just bad luck.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on October 4, 2011, 05:06 PM
It's going to be a long year for sure.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on October 4, 2011, 05:38 PM
Yeah, I haven't played the Cranes yet.  Marin's team (this week's opponent) scored over 100 last week.

I'm staring at 1-5 and I think I have a pretty decent team.

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 4, 2011, 08:39 PM
Yeah, I haven't played the Cranes yet.  Marin's team (this week's opponent) scored over 100 last week.

I'm staring at 1-5 and I think I have a pretty decent team.

Look at the bright side, at least I didn't need to hear about your personal win streak against me.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on October 4, 2011, 10:07 PM
It's true, you got me this time.  The baseball title took a lot of the sting out of that one. :)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on October 4, 2011, 10:09 PM
I've had a pretty cake schedule so far this year.  In fact, if I could have just gotten into the site before the game on Sunday to start Beanie, I'd be 4-0 right now.  The fates conspire to give me a good season and I'm still doing my best to mess it up.   ::)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on October 17, 2011, 02:53 AM
Every week I go into games convinced this will be the week I finally lose. Hasn't happened yet. Which one of you is going to end my streak?  :P
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2011, 01:14 PM
Close one this week Brent.  Bad luck to you tonight!   >:D
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on October 17, 2011, 02:23 PM
Oh I've plenty of bad luck, no need for extra.  You should be ashamed of not having beaten my team already. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on October 17, 2011, 02:42 PM
So now that we're a few weeks in, I've got to say that I absolutely HATE this new wavier system.  I've felt completely tied up in terms of improving my team. 

I vote that we do away with it and go back to how we've done it for the 8 years before after this season.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2011, 03:02 PM
As usual, I was thinking the exact opposite of Rob.  I like that I don't have to race in and pick up a player if something happens mid-game.  It's actually a bit relaxing to have until Tuesday night/Wed morning to think about changes.  My vote goes to keeping the new waiver process.  Sorry Rob.   :-\
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on October 17, 2011, 03:30 PM
Agreed with Jman, I love the new Waiver system and vote to keep it. Makes things a bit more fair.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on October 17, 2011, 04:08 PM
As commissioner I won't vote, but if I could, I'd vote to keep it. 

I think it makes the waiver more meaningful and rather than just gathering players so others can't get them, you have to decide whether it's worth the drop in waiver priority.  I'd rather the waiver ended on Tuesday morning though but that I cannot change. 

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on October 17, 2011, 04:41 PM
The waiver priority position for each team should change weekly depending on the standings.  (last gets place gets first priority, first place gets last, etc.)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2011, 05:38 PM
The waiver priority position for each team should change weekly depending on the standings.  (last gets place gets first priority, first place gets last, etc.)

I don't agree with that either.  I get the concept that the teams at the bottom are in the most need of help through acquisition, but if you're 6-1 and have Adrian Peterson or Aaron Rodgers go out for the year, should you be penalized in not being able to make any good pickups until your record is worse?  I don't think owners should be disadvantaged or handicapped during the season based on their performance to date.

I do agree with the current waiver in that it evens out the priority of pickups across teams.  If I'm a #1 team or the #12 team, I can't just go in and get the best guys every week just because I'm the first one in or because my record places me ahead of others.  If I get first choice this week, I shouldn't get first choice again next week just because I lost - everyone else should get to take their turn if they want to.

Just my two cents, but I would still vote in favor of the current process.  The only other option that I might be in favor of regarding waivers and free agents is a bid process.  If we all get a pretend $100 budget for pickups, then you can blind bid against others according to how much you value a player.  That gives everyone a shot at getting any free player and makes you responsible for the priority/value you place on them.  Currently I might blow my high waiver position on a kicker, then my RB goes down next week and I don't have a shot at his replacement.  With a bid system, your ability to pick up players is dependent on what you decide to spend, so you have more control/responsiblity for roster changes.  Not even sure if we can do that through Yahoo, but we've adopted it in two of my leagues and it has worked well.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on October 17, 2011, 05:48 PM
I couldn't hate it more.  When I had the #1 pick, I sat on it waiting for a big pick-up, and literally couldn't add any players until Wednesday of the next week.  Pretty soon that'll mean ONE day to make roster adjustments before Thursday night contests.  This left me missing out on lots of middle tier guys that I'd have taken chances on because someone else was more willing to move down (or was already low and didn't care).

Likewise, once I spent that #1 priority and went to the bottom of the list, I missed out on every pick-up I've tried to make since.  Paying attention and being quick are rendered useless, and people who aren't as good or attentive can wander in 3 days later and just pick up whatever if their priority is right. 

Basically I find myself sitting around 4 days of the week watching people pick up the hot waiver-wire players while I get denied or try to wisely spend the spot.  I literally couldn't hate it any more than I do at this point.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2011, 06:00 PM
I can see where that would be frustrating.  If you're someone who is online a lot or can easily access the site when you need to, then it's probably hard to see guys you want, but can't get more often than not.  I'm online quite a bit and know how it feels to miss out on guys due to this, though honestly I've found other mid-tier guys I can nab Wed morning and it hasn't made much difference to my overall score.  I'd also argue that if you have a top waiver claim spot and aren't utilizing it, then it's your own choice when you miss guys you want.  There are enough pickups in this league that you can move back near the top fairly quickly. 

The flip side here is that this is a freebie league and not everyone is monitoring it as closely as you are.  If you're an owner that can't get online on Sunday or are busy doing other things, it would sure stink to see one or two teams scooping up all the best guys at 1:30 on any given Sunday.  I don't want to bring politics into this, but I'm kind of surprised that you of all people aren't more in favor of making pick-ups equal opportunity versus giving the advantage to the person who is richest in time and availabilty.  No disrespect meant - I'm just honestly surprised.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on October 17, 2011, 07:05 PM
Yeah, when those Thursday games roll around I was thinking of switching the waiver to Sunday - Tuesday.  So it'd be the same for picking up players during the week as it is now, even though games are being played potentially on Thursday or Saturday.  I'd agree that the one day thing is too little time with players not on waivers only to revert back again immediately Thursday evening. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on October 18, 2011, 12:14 AM
All hail Reggie Bush, conquering hero.



bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.  Ridiculous.  I'll wait to see if there are any stats corrections before declaring victory but that there is rock solid proof that fantasy football is luck.  No frickin' way I should be 3-3, my team sucks. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on October 18, 2011, 05:54 PM
Yeah, when those Thursday games roll around I was thinking of switching the waiver to Sunday - Tuesday.  So it'd be the same for picking up players during the week as it is now, even though games are being played potentially on Thursday or Saturday.  I'd agree that the one day thing is too little time with players not on waivers only to revert back again immediately Thursday evening.

I think that makes sense.  It's hard to go back into the waiver system on Friday when you might have a guy that is questionable going into the Sunday games.  Can you set it so that the Thursday night players are locked until the next week?

All hail Reggie Bush, conquering hero.

bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.  Ridiculous.  I'll wait to see if there are any stats corrections before declaring victory but that there is rock solid proof that fantasy football is luck.  No frickin' way I should be 3-3, my team sucks.

Solid victory Brent.  I needed the Jets to get close enough for that second field goal, but my luck ran out.  It certainly didn't help having V. Jackson, B. Wells, and W. McGahee on bye this week, then getting 0pts from my defense.  Definitely not a good showing from the Ramminators. 

That said, I probably shouldn't be sitting at 4-2 either.  I was looking over the stats and noticed that I'm a whopping 10th in scoring.  Tommy and I are the only two teams with less than 400 points scored against us as well.   :o  Pretty silly to think that I'd be 5-1 right now if the Jets had a FG in place of one of those TDs last night. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on October 18, 2011, 06:10 PM
That said, I probably shouldn't be sitting at 4-2 either.  I was looking over the stats and noticed that I'm a whopping 10th in scoring.  Tommy and I are the only two teams with less than 400 points scored against us as well.   :o  Pretty silly to think that I'd be 5-1 right now if the Jets had a FG in place of one of those TDs last night. 

Those things have a way of sorting themselves out (usually) over the course of the season... I was 4th or 5th in scoring and in 10th place last week, now I'm 4th in scoring and in 5th place.

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on October 18, 2011, 06:17 PM
Those things have a way of sorting themselves out (usually) over the course of the season... I was 4th or 5th in scoring and in 10th place last week, now I'm 4th in scoring and in 5th place.

Yeah, I can see that happening pretty quick given that there are 5 teams just a game behind me.  Teh question is, will anyone ever bring their A Game when they play Tommy?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on October 18, 2011, 08:00 PM
Can you set it so that the Thursday night players are locked until the next week?

Nope, options are pretty limited really.  Sunday - Wednesday; First game - Wednesday; no waivers unless player is dropped by a team.  That's about all we got.  Nothing so specific as that. 

Were it up to me I'd just set it from noon Sunday until say Monday at noon.  I don't think one game necessitates it being locked down until Wednesday morning.  But that's not up to me. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on October 19, 2011, 02:15 AM
Those things have a way of sorting themselves out (usually) over the course of the season... I was 4th or 5th in scoring and in 10th place last week, now I'm 4th in scoring and in 5th place.

Yeah, I can see that happening pretty quick given that there are 5 teams just a game behind me.  Teh question is, will anyone ever bring their A Game when they play Tommy?

Things will definitely get interesting in the next few weeks. Notice how Ryan, currently ranked 6th, is my "best" victory. Everyone else is in the bottom half of the league. After this week all my games will be against everyone currently ranked 2nd-5th. Murderers row for sure. And we'll see how me trading Fred Jackson will play out
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Ryan on October 30, 2011, 06:40 PM
Is this the week that Diddly finally goes down? Starting Tebow against a real team will do that to you. ;)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on November 1, 2011, 10:09 PM
Ah Tebow.  Just a few complete passes short of fantasy superstar.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on November 1, 2011, 10:13 PM
Being a Florida guy, I'm really rooting for Tebow.  I think it's an uphill battle for him, but it's definitely too early to write him off completely.  The Lions have made a lot of people look silly this year.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on November 1, 2011, 10:18 PM
Okay, so I have Tebow and Flaco in my CBSSportsline league.  I've started Tebow the last two two weeks and while he hasn't been spectacular, he has outscored Flaco in both games.  Do I start Tebow again next week with Flaco going up against the Steelers?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: ruiner on November 2, 2011, 11:12 AM
I would start Curtis Painter.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 2, 2011, 03:08 PM
Okay, so I have Tebow and Flaco in my CBSSportsline league.  I've started Tebow the last two two weeks and while he hasn't been spectacular, he has outscored Flaco in both games.  Do I start Tebow again next week with Flaco going up against the Steelers?

I would go with Tebow.  He's gonna break off a run into the end zone any minute now and he really does not need to do too much more than that to have a good fantasy day.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on November 2, 2011, 03:36 PM
I would start Curtis Painter.

I tried that during the Patriots bye week.  It was a disaster.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on November 3, 2011, 08:38 PM
FYI I changed the waiver thing from "first game" to "Sunday" the other day.  That won't change when we can get players as free agents but it will mean that starting next week with the first Thursday night game all players will still be free agents until Sunday noon. 

I'm outta town until next Thursday with limited computer access so I hope it works.   :P
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on November 4, 2011, 06:07 PM
I may very seriously be unable to field a team this weekend...  :-\

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Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on November 6, 2011, 04:17 PM
And it's official... I've got 5 RB's out today (and a receiver).   The only RB I was able to start is John Kuhn, who might score a TD if I'm lucky, but is no yardage threat whatsoever.  This is by far the worst off I've ever been in a give ff game.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 6, 2011, 09:24 PM
Okay, so I have Tebow and Flaco in my CBSSportsline league.  I've started Tebow the last two two weeks and while he hasn't been spectacular, he has outscored Flaco in both games.  Do I start Tebow again next week with Flaco going up against the Steelers?

I would go with Tebow.  He's gonna break off a run into the end zone any minute now and he really does not need to do too much more than that to have a good fantasy day.

2 TDs passing and 118 yards rushing.  Take a tip from Dressel!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on November 8, 2011, 05:40 PM
Damn, I ended up with 70 points despite a lack of running backs.  Had those guys been healthy I might have had a chance there...
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on November 9, 2011, 02:01 PM
2 TDs passing and 118 yards rushing.  Take a tip from Dressel!

I should have.  I chickened out and went with Flacco.  I always like having a late game guy to root for.  He netted out at 10pts, while Tebow would have been 18.  I lost 59 to 68, so would have been just a point away with Timmy, but not feeling as bad since I would have lost either way.

I'm just happy to have finally topped 100pts and held off the Cranes last week.  My team is finally scoring some points after getting lucky wins earlier in the season.  If McGahee and Wells can stay healthy I'm going to be in good shape...
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Scott on November 17, 2011, 08:27 AM
My team is no scoring dynamo but I really have had a lot of bad luck against me this year.  My PA is almost 100 points more than anyone else.  Dressel has scored less points than me and is 5-5.  I wouldn't think the lack of a real receiving core would hurt me as much as it has and I don't know too many teams with AP and MJD that would be 1-9. :P
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 17, 2011, 08:39 AM
My team is no scoring dynamo but I really have had a lot of bad luck against me this year.  My PA is almost 100 points more than anyone else.  Dressel has scored less points than me and is 5-5.  I wouldn't think the lack of a real receiving core would hurt me as much as it has and I don't know too many teams with AP and MJD that would be 1-9. :P

This game is 1/2 knowledge and 1/2 roll of the dice, and the rolls of the dice have not gone your way at all this season.

It all averages out in the long run.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Scott on November 17, 2011, 09:21 AM
Tell me about it!  I mean did Jordy Nelson really need to score that last Touchdown?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on November 22, 2011, 12:55 PM
 :(
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on November 23, 2011, 03:26 PM
:(

Good game man.  I thought you had it for sure on Sunday, but never count a guy down when he's got Gronkowski yet to play.  Sorry to bust your undefeated season, but cheer up - you're still going to end up in first place for the playoffs!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Ryan on November 23, 2011, 10:36 PM
We sure have a pretty close season in the standings this year with the exception of Diddly who will likely take the #1 seed at this point.

I've lost my last 4 games (tied for the longest active losing streak in the league) and I dropped from 3rd all the way to 12th place. Funny that the other owner that has also lost their last four (Patrick) only managed to drop from 2nd to 3rd. My overall points which towards the beginning of the season was in the upper 1/3 of the league has also dropped to dead last. Part of that had to do with 2 weeks of forgetting to edit my lineups, but mostly it is my anemic team. Despite having two RB's in the top 8 in the league in scoring I can't seem to put up points. My WRs have been absolutely atrocious since I lost Kenny Brit to IR after during week 3, up until just a few weeks ago he still had more fantasy points than any of my WRs, even only playing in two games. I don't have a single WR in the top 25 and only have one in the top 40, I don't have any TEs in the top 10. Despite all of that I'm really only a game and a half out of the playoffs at this point. I doubt my team will pull through but it really is interesting to me that no one in this league s completely out of it yet. (Edit: except Scott. Sorry.  :-X )
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on November 23, 2011, 11:47 PM
Yep.  I'm having a typically unlucky season so far.  A heartbreaking loss early in the season on a last minute INT... combined with a few key injuries (part of the game I know...) have left me with a 5-6 team that is 3rd in scoring, but 7th in the standings.

Argh.

Patrick's trades got the better of him this week.  He gave up Arian Foster for Fred "IR" Jackson.  Ouch.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on November 24, 2011, 03:11 AM
Heh, I was kind of regretting that trade after I clicked "accept" but I'm glad I went through with it for the obvious reasons.

I think Dressel said it earlier, this game is all luck. I've been riding my RBs to victory, and Jason Witten too. Consistency plays a big hand too. Just need two or three players to show up each week and have everyone else score enough points to stay ahead.

Good game man.  I thought you had it for sure on Sunday, but never count a guy down when he's got Gronkowski yet to play.  Sorry to bust your undefeated season, but cheer up - you're still going to end up in first place for the playoffs!

Oh, great game! TBH, I figured it was going to be either you or Patrick who was going to beat me. When I saw that my kicker was out for the game I knew I was losing. I'm actually surprised that I only lost by that little!
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on November 24, 2011, 09:40 PM
Oh, great game! TBH, I figured it was going to be either you or Patrick who was going to beat me. When I saw that my kicker was out for the game I knew I was losing. I'm actually surprised that I only lost by that little!

I didn't start off well with .2 points from McGahee on the early game - I thought that did me in for sure.  I'm getting saved by Gronkowski in this league (and another) week after week.  I hope he can keep it up. 

So, in my big money league we have $100 for pickups.  I spent my last $44 getting Kevin Smith last night and was stoked to see him racking up yards against the Pack.   ::)  Hopefully he's good to go next week or that was the worst pick-up in FFL history.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on November 30, 2011, 11:37 PM
Snuck by Cory this week with a 70.11 to 69.96 victory.  Ouch, that has to hurt.  I was winning by .15 with a full quarter to go and he still had Nicks on the field.  Thought for sure I was a goner.

 8)  BEST. WIN. EVER.

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Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on December 6, 2011, 11:18 PM
Nice game this week Ruiner.  Hope to see the same thing again this weekend.   ;)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on December 12, 2011, 08:17 AM
Nice game this week Ruiner.  Hope to see the same thing again this weekend.   ;)

Ugh, 5pts behind after yesterday.  I need to rally the troops tonight.

Kinda quiet in here lately - is no one confident in their team?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Scott on December 12, 2011, 10:11 AM
You guys are lucky my team didn't make the playoffs :-X
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on December 12, 2011, 02:30 PM
You guys are lucky my team didn't make the playoffs :-X

I'd say you are very unlucky that you didn't make the playoffs.  About 115 points with your current lineup?  Ouch.  That's almost enough to take out any TWO teams playing this week.  How did you end up with just 3 wins?
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Diddly on December 12, 2011, 11:59 PM
Scott would have destroyed any Playoff team this week. Heck, Dressel would have blown me out of the water had he not benched Sanchez and Jacobs.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on December 13, 2011, 09:42 AM
Could have would have...didn't.    ;)

Down to four...
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Morgbug on December 24, 2011, 10:31 PM
Oh, thank Zod. 
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: JediJman on December 26, 2011, 09:46 AM
Congrats on the win Rob!  The Gronk abandoned me the last few weeks.   :(
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Rob on December 26, 2011, 09:22 PM
Thanks!  Nice to see the team I thought I drafted start to show up down the stretch.  I definitely didn't have the best team this year though, got some good breaks at the right time beating the 1 and 2 seed. 

Gronkowski was the guy that worried me the most... although with Brady, any time you got a TD with him it was really only a 2 point play for you, I just figured that this would be the week that my having the second best Pats TE caused problems.

I think this leaves me as the defending champ in Baseball, Hockey, and Football.  Although I'm not really defending that Hockey one too well.  :-\
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Football 2011
Post by: Ryan on December 27, 2011, 12:05 AM
Congrats Rob!