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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => 30th Anniversary Collection => Topic started by: Brian on January 8, 2007, 09:51 AM
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I've been thinking about this topic for a little while, and after reading some responses in the "Final 22" thread in the TSC forum, I thought I'd post it here. Is anyone out there getting a little "cloned out"? Don't get me wrong, repaints of the super articulated clones are probably some of the few repaints that are welcome, but I think I'm personally getting to the point where I maybe have had enough for awhile. I'm really looking forward to the Elite Corps/BARC trooper, the 501st/Appo troops (in both the Final TSC wave and Saga Legends assortment), the Neyo/Clone Bike packs, and the Galactic Marine and Airborne trooper in the first 30 AC wave, but after those are released I'm thinking I might be set for a little while. Some of the EU/made up clones that have come out are kind of neat (I picked up Mace's squad), but others just haven't caught my eye enough to pick up I guess. The one (and only, so far) time I saw Wave 8 at TRU, I had both the 442nd and 5th Fleet clones in my basket before putting them back. I'm making attempts to cut back, and with my clone shelf already pretty full with those others (mentioned previously) on the way, I thought I could leave these out. Like I said, if anything is repainted, I suppose its always good to have more clones - but is anyone else kind of getting enough of them at this point?
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I am not necessarily cloned out. Probably because I am not an army builder.
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My stance is that if it's a movie clone, bring it on. EU, big PASS.
That pretty much sums it up. I'm looking forward to the same 5 clones that Brian is.
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Cloned out is an interesting way to view it. For me, I'm dwindling in interest in the newer movies' figures to some degree. I think they're neat but the cynic in me can't help but think the marketing department somewhere didn't play a hand in the decision for all the variations in ROTS.
Prequel trilogy managed to have stormtroopers, snowtroopers and scout troopers. All largely white, variations based on need for a particular environment or need for a type of gear. There were Royal Guards as well. All uniform, all military and not particularly colorful.
Clones didn't show up until AOTC (go figure) and we had white clones, with some color added as rank designations. Kind of logical in some respects, though I think the subtlety of classic rank insignia on military uniforms of the real world are preferable and probably less target inducing than bright red, blue or yellow markings distinguishing a leader from the grunts. But whatever, it's not reality.
ROTS brought us the rainbow and all the colors it makes possible. I'm ok with the deco on Kashyyk (spelling, sorry) it kinda made sense. But what world required purple clones? Not saying they look bad, not saying I don't own them, but why? Did different regiments in WWII have different uniforms or were they simply different battalions, armies or whatever? Dunno, but I can't help but think someone at Lucasfilm was meeting with the marketing folks and saying no, we'll give the commanders or whatever different helmets AND we'll give the different units different color markings. THAT!!1! will give us a tool for marketing. No easy customs, lots of variety AND hey, hey, this is cool...let's make two different sculpts, one basic, one SA and the geeks will clamour for both versions. Yeah, that's the ticket.
What?
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Cloned out is an interesting way to view it. For me, I'm dwindling in interest in the newer movies' figures to some degree. I think they're neat but the cynic in me can't help but think the marketing department somewhere didn't play a hand in the decision for all the variations in ROTS.
Good point Brent, and that plays a large part of it for me too. When looking at ways to scale back, the idea of dropping (or strongly cutting back) on prequel movie stuff often comes to mind. Really, after the next wave of TSC, and the first wave of 30 AC, I may just be picking up main character resculpts (Qui Gon, TPM/AOTC Obi, Padmes) and maybe some miscellaneous clones and Jedi. We're finally getting a decent Mace, they've pretty much covered all the main "movie" clonetroopers (or soon will), and if I have to focus on background characters from one trilogy over the other, its definitely going to be the OT.
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I'm cloned out on the #41 ROTS clone - I think we've seen that one enough this year.
With that said, I'm still interested in OT Stormtroopers and other variations of troopers that involve new tools.
2007 looks great from that standpoint - so far, I haven't seen the #41 mold...but I'm sure it will show up in some form later in the year.
And don't get me wrong, it's still one of my favorite figures - it's just getting old.
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I am..since middle of last year after seeing all the GB,GH,HandV repush from last year(still see 501, shocks,tank gunners and 41's on my shelf at WM now) all the exclusives including the battlepacks. :(
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so far, I haven't seen the #41 mold...but I'm sure it will show up in some form later in the year.
Your selective memory must be trying to block it out... for sure the #41 will be back in the Saga Legends line:
2007 Saga Legends Clone Trooper (original RotS #41 repack)
2007 Saga Legends Shocktrooper (from Battle Pack, uses the #41 sculpt)
2007 Saga Legends 501st Clone Trooper (new repaint that uses the #41 sculpt)
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;)
That and I don't pay attention... :)
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I talked about this in the final 22 thread as well-
As much as I like army building and displaying troops lined up, it is ridiculous (to me) to imagine getting 6-10 of each of these variations. Clones have now been cut back to a couple of each, tops.
I will probably make an exception for Barc and the Galactic Marine, since they are both in the movie and I have commanders for a sqaud of grunts.
Fewer and fewer of the other basic figures are making the cut as well. I am definately looking forward to some of the 07 troops, but my appetite for purchasing quantities of them has waned. I'm actually looking forward to buying LESS Hasbro in 07. And when those basic figures are pushing $8 each, it will get easier and easier.
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Don't get me wrong. I love the Clone Troopers. I didn't army build any OT Imps, but these clones are addictive. With that being said, this influx of clones in the last two waves of Saga 2 and the first wave of TAC is hurting my wallet in a major way. I love that fact that Hasbro is starting to make what people want, but I think they need to set a limit of one army builder per wave.
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I like the movie based army builders the best. Although I do like some that are "just off camera" like the blue stripes one in the Final 22 wave. I don't mind the Commander Appo with the shoulder pauldron since I want an SA 501st and that works for me if I take it off. Hell I like it with the pauldron as well. I did not go for the SW exclusive or the Target one that was black and grey. Oh and I did not care for the Mace Windu set either and some others.
It just depends on what hits me as cool I suppose. It's kind of hard to resist them IMO. I don't buy multiples of to many though. Just the OT imperials like stormtroopers, sandtroopers, biker scouts, Gunners, and some of the ROTS and AOTC clonetroopers that were in the film a lot like the Utaupau troopers, shocktroopers, 501st, Kashyyyk Troopers etc.
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I can't speak for everyone, but so far the only things of the final 22 I'm seeing are the clones... Namely, the 5th and 422nd ones. I think maybe Hasbro is going to a well they need to let sit a while. With "movie" versions of Clones out there at the same time, the non-movie ones are gonna take a back seat, especially when army builders are part of the equation (I think an underestimated one perhaps at this point). I mean, given the choice I know I'd get more of Appo (or even the lame 41st repaint) than more 5th or 422nd's...
Not to say I don't think those clones are cool, they are neat looking, but having no basis hurts them at retail I think, where the ultimate decision is made. I see less of the black R5 or battledroids than I do fo the Clones... Only Kit and Maul seem more abundant, and rightly so... You can get Maul for pocket lint if you want I think. :)
Clones maybe are something Hasbro should ease off on a little bit by not going to the EU/Made Up realm so heavily right now... Hit me in a couple years when every movie clone is done to perfection and abundance, and then I'm ready to build my 422nd Siege army, even with a commander for them if they wanted to do a repaint.
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It could be just my area, but I don't think any stores in the St. Louis region ever keep clones on the shelves very long. At TRU, Walmart, Target, etc. - they all have a lot of other figures warming pegs. The clones simply sell out a lot faster than figures like Endor troopers, Palpatine, Rep Been, R2D2, and the like.
So I see nothing wrong with them putting a clone or a Stormtrooper in just about each wave... they always sell (heck, I think clones might even sell faster than Stormies... which is scary). I'm not saying that I love every clone that comes out, but as long as they are of a good sculpt (even if the paint scheme is EU and aren't too funky), I'm ok with it because they aren't clogging shelves/keeping new product from being put out.
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im cloned out after galactic marine, but i can sure use some more rebels right about now.
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I'm definitely eager to get some of the ROTS Clone Troopers that are in the pipeline. The 41st Elite Trooper, Galactic Marine, Commander Appo, Airborne Trooper and the SA 501st Clone are some of the ones that I'm happy to see coming our way.
But I think at some point that the Clone Trooper thing might have jumped the shark. Perhaps it was the ROTS DVD 3-pack with the Clones that have the same paint scheme as the upcoming Clone Engineers? Sure, I bought a few of the 5th Fleet Security and 44nd Siege Battalion clones, but I'm not enjoying those as much as the movie based Clones. Perhaps that same sentiment is why the AOTC Clone Sergeant seems to be selling better than the 2 ROTS Clones in that same assortment?
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I certainly cloned out. After Comic con's announcement of the final 22, I went through and re-thought my collection and wound up trading off a bunch of clones. I'm certainly picking up less of ROTS clones now.
Thankfully, it seems like there's going to be little else to do after the first wave of '07.
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I'm ot cloned out cuase I've barely found any!
A good Gree, SA ARC trooper, Omega Squad & some generic RCs & I'm clone out. Bring on the droids & rebels!
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Being an army builder, I am all for cloning. But only when it comes down to the right clones. I went to town with the super articulated shocktroopers and the exclusive EE army builder clone troopers.
With the 442nd Siege Battalion clone and the Fifth Fleet Security clone, I only bought 2 of each; one to crack open and one for my boxed collection. They look cool in my collection, but I cannot justify myself buying 10 or more of each since I couldn't see them on the big screen.
At the same time, the repaints are coming at a good time. I definitely need to reload the ammo in the wallet since the clones next year are looking pretty damn good. :)
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I kind of went a little nuts after all my claims of, "I'll never army build!" with the Utapau Clone (21 total). That said, I am kind of getting a little burned out on Clones, especially since all the film-based Clones have been made, and from the looks of things, even the non-film Clones based on concept art have been made with two exceptions (Commander Faie and the Red Dot Clone Trooper that previously appeared in the ROTS deluxe three packs). I'm not as apathetic about the 5th Fleet/442nd Cato Neimoidia Clones as some are, since they're based on concept art, but with the release of Neyo, the Marine, and the Airborne Trooper, I do think it's time to give the Clones a bit of a rest in the regular, non-Legends, line.
I'm much more excited about the RH Stormtrooper and the Death Star Trooper in the basic line right now.
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It's kind of easier to get cloned out with the ROTS clones because there are so many varieties. Think about it. For the entire OT, you have one set of villians, 11-14 different styles, for AOTC, just one basic trooper, but for ROTS, including the EU stuff, there's about 20 different ones. That's hard core.
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I'm cloned out - at least with Prequel clones.
OT Stuff is still great, but a ROTS clone is going to have to be something special to get me buying lots and lots.
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That's how I feel as well. Bring on the OT stuff - I always enjoy more troops from that era. Also, I'm really looking forward to the BARC/Elite Corps Trooper, the 501st, the Galactic Marines, and now the Saleucami battle pack, but beyond that I might be all stocked up on the clones I want/need from now on. You never know what'll be out beyond that, but after these next couple waves, I'll be pretty happy with my clone lineup for a bit.
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I agree, I don't "need" non-film clones either Brian!
What about the upcoming TV series? What if they come up with a whole new group of clones paint schemes? Or even another type of helmet for the basic grunts? I truly hope they keep the helmet in the ROTS design... what do you guys think they'll do? I'm "hoping" they go all white.
;)
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I agree, I don't "need" non-film clones either Brian!
What about the upcoming TV series? What if they come up with a whole new group of clones paint schemes? Or even another type of helmet for the basic grunts? I truly hope they keep the helmet in the ROTS design... what do you guys think they'll do? I'm "hoping" they go all white.
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I think if there is a new army in the TV series and I like the series, I'd probably buy them.
Right now for me the only difference between the 30 Galactic Marines I am going to buy and the 0 5th Fleet Security Clones and 0 442nd Cato Neimodia Attack clones that I've bought is 15 seconds of screen time.
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throw a clone on me and ill buy it..on one condition...i can find another one so they can atleast be set up together on my shelf :)
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No, I'm not even close to "Cloned Out" yet. :) Heck, I'm even working on a set of Clone armor for myself. ::)
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ROTS brought us the rainbow and all the colors it makes possible. I'm ok with the deco on Kashyyk (spelling, sorry) it kinda made sense. But what world required purple clones? Not saying they look bad, not saying I don't own them, but why? Did different regiments in WWII have different uniforms or were they simply different battalions, armies or whatever? Dunno, but I can't help but think someone at Lucasfilm was meeting with the marketing folks and saying no, we'll give the commanders or whatever different helmets AND we'll give the different units different color markings. THAT!!1! will give us a tool for marketing. No easy customs, lots of variety AND hey, hey, this is cool...let's make two different sculpts, one basic, one SA and the geeks will clamour for both versions. Yeah, that's the ticket.
I was just re-arranging (trying to fit them all) the various clones in my prequel display last week, and now sitting back and looking at it, the colors are a little bit crazy. We've discussed it before on here - some of them look kind of cool, and many of us pick up the various colors anyways, but this really does look like a marketing ploy. In a way, seeing all the clones lined up next to each other, it does start to look like a rainbow - and in some ways, almost too "bright and cheery" for an army :P.
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ROYGBIV
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This is my last big year for army building. I'll get the 501st clone, the AOTC white clones (with a scant few officers to lead them), and the Grey commander of which I'll make grunts as well, providing there is an extra belt in the package to make him (or I'll be forced to customize and I'd rather avoid that).
After this my desire for Prequel troopers will be pretyy much done. I still want some more Stormtroopers, and some other OT troops, but not many of those. So 2007 is it for me for army building. Since AB takes up a large chunk of my SW budget, 2008 is going to look really slim for collecting, but conversely good on the bank account. I'm thinking it will shrink to about 10-20% of what I spend now per year. Which will still seem like a lot to some, but for me it's a huge drop.
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ROBO...WANT...REBELS!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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You and me both...
Hasbro really sorta screwjobs the Rebel forces. Funny when the Rebel Honor Guard is the best trooper the Rebs can muster. ;) Some NEW (IE: Not just new legs, or new heads) army builders are in order for Endor, Hoth, and Yavin/Tantive IV... Be damned Hasbro's opinion of themselves and what they've already put out there, we need some new troopers to fight the Empire at this point.
Though, I will say I'm all for more Imperials and my cloning out isn't TOO out of steam, I just could use some slowing down or at the very least a diversion to AOTC style ones for a little while... I mean, there's some ground there to cover, and at least those aren't nearly as plentiful.
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From here on out, it'll mostly be EU type clone creations, so it should be easier for me to cut back.
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SA Coruscant trooper and removable helmet 212th. thats what im waiting for.
im not going to stop with clones anytime soon. i only have 44 and they are all episode 3 save for 2 of them. hasbro needs to focus on ep 2 clones. we dont have much interms of it. and all these EU clones. they acually look pretty cool..at times.
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SA Coruscant trooper and removable helmet 212th. thats what im waiting for.
im not going to stop with clones anytime soon. i only have 44 and they are all episode 3 save for 2 of them. hasbro needs to focus on ep 2 clones. we dont have much interms of it. and all these EU clones. they acually look pretty cool..at times.
You'll get your wish later this year with the Legends line. Plain white AOTC clones are coming out and there will be an officer figure as well that is a running change. Now here's hoping we can all find the amount of these we want.
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I think a shift towards Imperial and Rebel army builders would be a good thing at this point. Hasbro has all but exhausted the ROTS era Clone Troopers, and spacing those out from here might be a good thing. We all know this, and it's especially obvious if you've ever seen the ROTS Clone family photo that RS put together. There are also some AOTC Clones that could stand to be done like the Evolutions Clone Trooper. So here's what I think we should probably get in terms of the more popular army builders:
CLONE TROOPERS - AOTC
Clone Trooper - Evolutions - Clean
Clone Trooper Sergeant - Evolutions repaint
Clone Trooper Lieutenant - 30AC tin re-release
Clone Trooper Captain - Evolutions repaint
Clone Trooper Commander - Evolutions - clean version plus electrobinoculars
Clone Trooper - red Kamino training fatigues - NEW
Clone Trooper - blue Kamino training fatigues - NEW
REBEL ALLIANCE
Fleet Trooper - new sculpt, SA
Rebel Pilot - generic
Rebel hangar crew
Hoth Rebel Trooper
Echo base Rebel Trooper
Rebel Fleet Officer - ROTJ, Madine style uniform
Rebel Endor Commando - SA, similar to Sideshow Endor Rebels
IMPERIALS
Stormtrooper Officer - Imperial Officers with black tunics
Imperial Officer - Grey/olive tunic
Imperial Security Bureau Officer - white tunic, black trousers
Space Stormtrooper - from Falcon's approach to the Death Star
Death Squad Commander - Vintage figure redone
TIE Fighter Pilot - update on the OTC TIE Pilot, SA
TIE Fighter Pilot - Black Squadron with grey helmet markings
Bridge technician - grey jumpsuit & black cap
AT-ST Driver - SA, removable helmet, etc
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SA Coruscant trooper and removable helmet 212th. thats what im waiting for.
im not going to stop with clones anytime soon. i only have 44 and they are all episode 3 save for 2 of them. hasbro needs to focus on ep 2 clones. we dont have much interms of it. and all these EU clones. they acually look pretty cool..at times.
You'll get your wish later this year with the Legends line. Plain white AOTC clones are coming out and there will be an officer figure as well that is a running change. Now here's hoping we can all find the amount of these we want.
before anyone gets annoyed.
i know i complain A LOT about nothing coming to Canada. which is why when i said i hope hasbro focuses more on ep 2 clones i ment in the basic figure wave. because something tells me legends isnt coming up north. but i still have hope for that AOTC wave this year :)
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I want Rebels & Droids. What are clones & Imperials supposed to fight?
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IMPERIALS
Stormtrooper Officer - Imperial Officers with black tunics
Imperial Officer - Grey/olive tunic
Imperial Security Bureau Officer - white tunic, black trousers
Space Stormtrooper - from Falcon's approach to the Death Star
Death Squad Commander - Vintage figure redone
TIE Fighter Pilot - update on the OTC TIE Pilot, SA
TIE Fighter Pilot - Black Squadron with grey helmet markings
Bridge technician - grey jumpsuit & black cap
AT-ST Driver - SA, removable helmet, etc
Bring it on!
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If anything, I'd rather see straight battle packs of basic troops. No frills. No Heroes or Troop commanders in the packs. JUST TROOPS!
This is Star WARS. Battle packs by their very name infer battles. Who does the MAJORITY of the fighting? The grunts of course. Plenty enough room on the pegs for the Heroes and troop commanders on single cards. Heck most of us only need one of them, so why pack a hero and/or troop commander in a battle pack?
I'd really love to see straight battle backs of the troops who were most seen in the movies, then if successful Hasbro could venture into the minor troops, then maybe characters for which some people would like multiples of, 4 or 5 figures to a pack. Mostly depending on size. Sell the packs for $20 tops.
Here's one list I'd propose.
OT Major Troops:
Stormtroopers
Snowtroopers
Biker Scouts
Hoth Rebel Soldiers
OT Minor troops:
Sandtrooper (Black Paulron)
Sandtrooper (Grey Paulron)
Sandtrooper (White Paulron)
Death Star troopers
Death Star Gunners
TIEfighter Pilots
Imperial officers (black)
Imperial officers (gray) Lieutenants (two "pips")
Imperial officers (gray) Commanders (three "pips")
Rebel Honor Guard (with caps for each too, so we can choose if we want them to be Guards or soldiers as seen in the medal ceremony)
Rebel Hangar crew
AT-AT drivers
Bespin Guards
AT-ST drivers
Endor Rebel Soldiers
OT Multiple sets (other)
Jawas
Tuskens
Ugnaughts
Gammoreans
Yes I know there may be more, but these make sense as 4-5 figure packs.
Prequel sets:
Major:
SA Gungan Warrior
Battle Droid (Both ALL tan sets and ALL red sets)
ALL white SA Clone trooper (AOTC)
Utapau troopers
501st troopers
Elite Clone trooper (Kashyyyk)
Minor:
Red Security Battle droids
Blue Pilot Battle droids!
AOTC Clone Pilots (now SA please)
Super Battle droid
ROTS Clone Pilots
Airborne trooper (Utapau)
Shocktrooper
Galactic Marines
Coruscant troopers
Bly's clones
AT-RT drivers
Grevious Bodyguards (ALL blue and ALL white sets)
Destoyer droids (include at least a couple "shields" too)
Multiple sets (other)
Utapau Warriors (SA)
That roughly covers them. Again I'm sure there's more, but take a look at the list and really think do people want many sets of aliens other than the ones I posted? Probably not. You may, but that's not enough for Hasbro.
Again, all of these sets would be GRUNTS ONLY. I tried to keep them listed as to how many were seen in the movies, hence why some are considered Major and others Minor.
Having ONLY one type of figure in a pack makes it much easier to decide how many packs we are willing to get. As an example, take the Sandtroopers. I'd buy two to thre sets of the black paulron ones, while only 2 grey and then one white. But that gives ME the option. Instead of dealing with a disproportionate amount of troopers to officers to heroes to contend with, that give me unwanted figures, which makes me feel like I'm losing money.
NOTE, this was kept to MOVIE ONLY figures.
Enough with the EU clones. Single card those ones. Most people will only get one maybe two of them so Hasbro can make the most money off them that way as opposed to a battle pack. (Again yes I understand the Battle Packs are $20 and the figus are $7.50-inc. tax so it would seem Battle packs are bigger money makers.) But to include heroes and/or troop commanders in those sets, really is wasteful and a deterrent to all but the most hardcore army builders (and yes, I'll include myself there), and we don't account for as many sales. Casual collectors and many kids are not predisposed to getting battle packs of troops who were not seen in the movies. But they might buy one or two single carded ones, while we army bulders will buy more than that, but not enough to justify EU as battle packs. Besides, EU clones, concept clones etc. are not really thought of to be in high numbers, so why army build them. They were never "seen" like this. (With maybe an exception or two that might have been seen in comics, but again that's more a niche market than to the general populace for which Hasbro is marketing to.)
So what are your (Anyone, not someone specific) opinions on this?
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SA Coruscant trooper and removable helmet 212th. thats what im waiting for.
I think that and Commander Faeie (no clue how to spell this name, I hope I got it right) are the only clones I'll bother to buy if they are released. And if they do Faeie theyll have to do white Gal. marines.
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I would kill for troop only sets. But the fighting we saw on screen was mainly by the heroes/villians so that's how Hasbro plans to continue this.
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SA Coruscant trooper and removable helmet 212th. thats what im waiting for.
I think that and Commander Faeie (no clue how to spell this name, I hope I got it right) are the only clones I'll bother to buy if they are released. And if they do Faeie theyll have to do white Gal. marines.
Huh, I hadn't thought of those troops. White Gal.Marines would be cool. I've seen those customs and they look awesome. VERY close to snowtroopers, which is a nice bridge to the OT troops.
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At this point, the nail needs to be driven on the Clone thing. There are only four legitimate Clones that need to be released, requiring entirely new or slightly modified existing sculpts, and after that, everything should be rereleases of previously released Clones:
1-Commander Gree: We need an accurate version, and Hasbro knows it. Give him the proper backpack, the proper paint scheme, SA, and be done with it. And with that being said...
2-Elite Corps Clone Trooper: The TSC Biker Scout repaint doesn't cut it for me, and he's no better than the Order 66 Kashyyyk Clone Trooper in terms of accuracy. Do a totally new sculpt from the ground up, give him multiple weapons, and there you go.
3-Coruscant Clone Trooper: Repaint the ROTS 41 body with the gray paint scheme. Easy enough.
4-Commander Bacara: Regardless of what anyone says, the ROTS version sucks and sucks hard. Again, do a totally new sculpt without the action feature, and either release it as a single carded figure or as part of a Battle Pack with four 30AC Galactic Marines with varying degrees of damage.
Oh, and all things being equal, of the actual "finalized" concept art Clones, the only one that hasn't been done is Commander Faie. We're getting the SA "Red Dot" Clone Trooper, which was the last in the "lineup" piece of concept art to be done, but no Faie. If the Battlefront II packs that surfaced a while back contain what we expect, it shouldn't be too hard to use that figure, pack it with a poncho and a belt, and call it a day.
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Clones I'd like to see...
Clone Commandos (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_commando)- Generic white, generic black, It's all good.
Holographic Clone Trooper (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CT-01/425)- Aka Clone Advisor CT-01/425.
Clone SCUBA Trooper (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_SCUBA_trooper)- A major Clone from the CW series we still have yet to see. Would look great with the CW Kit Fisto.