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Title: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Ner_vod on September 9, 2005, 07:47 PM
I don't know if someone posted something about this but I'll just say it anyway. How is it that Eoks actually killed the troopers. I mean, these trained men get killed by some primitive species. How is it that they died by some teddy bears with clubs and rocks, their armor could withstand that. I know I'v heard that rocks thrown fast or at point blank could hurt or even kill, but these guys were whereing armor! What's up with that! lmk what you guys think.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Ben on September 10, 2005, 05:34 AM
I figure either the Ewoks stole the Stormtrooper's guns, or just occupied their attention long enough for the rebels to dust them.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: ThePerennial on September 10, 2005, 05:22 PM
Plus, the empire didn't spend too much on the armour to be honest. Stormie armour was more mass-produced than clone armour and made of cheap duraplast. Also, the ewoks defeating the stormies was a symbolism for George in ROTJ. He was trying to convey the message that you could be victorious without advanced technology. the Ewoks were really good at guerilla tactics.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Tracy on September 13, 2005, 02:14 PM
the Ewoks were really good at guerilla tactics.
Or maybe they were suffering from delusions of granduer......... ;)
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Jesse James on September 14, 2005, 01:54 AM
I tend to look at the assault on the bunker on Endor's moon as being very believable really.  They even show physically how the "damage" occured.

Like the opening "volley" from the Woks showed that the arrows were hitting some chinks in the armor...  The armpit, crotch, etc...  There's weaknesses there for arrows to have an impact, especially if the Woks are accurate.  Native Americans were NOTORIOUSLY accurate with their bows, some capable of a throat shot from horseback, so there's some possibilities there with projectile weapons.

Also note that when the EMpire is "stung" they bite back right away and the Ewoks show they have weaknesses too...  They're uncoordinated somewhat, the blaster weapons show their damage tremendously...  The Ewoks were maybe feining the weakness somewhat to draw the walkers out to their traps (smart move on the Ewoks part if this is the case), but the Empire definitely had reason to fear the Ewoks.  They were seemingly outnumbered tremendously too, and surrounded, which no matter how technologically inferior, that's a bad situation to be in (again citing Native American battles with whites, such as the Battle of Little Big Horn, where whites were tremendously outnumbered and outclassed by the natives).

As far as melee weapons and armor...  I said this once at another forum about this discussion, but basically my comment was to throw a helmet on, like a motorcycle helmet, and let someone smash you on the head with a stone axe or some similar weapon.

I bet you are at least dazed, if not actually having your skull broken open to some extent and go unconcious.  It's amazing how easily a blunt object can incapacitate a person, much less a flurry of many blunt objects thumping someone (even armored) in the body/head.

In the Middle-Ages, as mail armor was phased out for plate armor, the plate armor had to be overcome.  Arrows didn't puncture it well except at the joints...  blades glanced off it generally, so the blade was actually not so much for puncturing as it was for crushing.  Thus weapons like maces and cudgels became much more prized.  The pike/pole-arm would become one of the most devastating weapons to knights because it featured usually all the tools needed to open those living tin-cans.  A hook to dismount the knight, a "spear" tip to puncture at chinks in the armor, and an axe-blade to crush/chop at the armor.

In general though, "crushing" bone became more important than getting through that armor, and I think that would applie to the Stormtrooper armor. 

Stormtrooper is a term coined during World War I actually (for those curious).  The STormtrooper was actually an elite trooper trained to quickly attack an enemy emplacement, take over, and hold it till reinforcements arrive.  They were the original "Blitzkrieg" really.  They were specially trained, had special gear (some homemade actually), and were skilled in close-quarters combat since they were basically in trenches fighting with the enemy.  They were also known as "trench raiders".  During WW1 they had armor chest plates for that close-quarters battling and helmets of course, but these things didn't stop bullets or all forms of hand weapons.

The Stormtroopers DID carry cudgels though, used their spade as a weapon, carried trench knives, and usually a handgun over a rifle...  They meant to crush and incapacitate enemies quickly, as did their enemies intend to do to them, and a spade smashed off that chest armor probably would at least take the wind out of the guy...  Or smashed over the helmet or whatnot.

Anyway, long-winded post there. :)  The end result is that armor is good for protection against glancing blows from melee weapons, a glancing shot perhaps from a blaster, but in the end it really doesn't offer you a ton of protection.  It's like Kevlar for our troops in the field today, or up-armor kits for our military vehicles.  They MAY save a life, but there's no way they'll always (or at times even often depending on weapons and circumstances) protect the wearer or vehicle.  It's not possible (yet) really.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Ryan on September 14, 2005, 04:32 AM
Very well thought out post Jesse. I totally agree with everything you said.

I think in addition to be outnumbered and surrounded, the Empire vastly underestimated the Ewoks. And that is one of the biggest mistakes any military commander can make.

Going back to Jesse's example of Little Big Horn, Custer and the 7th Cav. were not only outmanned and surrounded, but they underestimated the Native Americans. I'll give some of you guys a little refresher on Little Big Horn, in case your history is a bit rusty. ;) The Native Americans had been put onto their reservation in the Dakotas a few years prior to the battle of Little Big horn. White settlers began moving into the land in the Dakotas that was supposedly for the Natives. The Sioux took offense to that and under the leadership of Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, a large army of warriors, about 2500, left the reservation. The US Government told them to go back but the Sioux refused. Custer and the 7th Cav. were sent in to drive them back by force. And here is where they really screwed up. Custer and the US brass thought that the Natives would be scared of the army, and would return to the reservation as soon as they saw them. And they thought if they did have to fight they had a big technological advantage with their weapons (which they did) and as soon as they started firing the Natives would run away in fear. They of course didn't and they all stayed and fought killing Custer and all of his men.

And there are countless other examples in which someone has underestimated their enemy and get their ass kicked as a result. Like Japan, they expected us to give up after Pearl Harbor. They though it would completely discourage us as a Nation and take away our will to fight. Of course it ha the opposite effect and launched us into WWII. After WWII the US was the only remaining world power that hadn't been devastated by war. We became the world's Superpower. The Soviet Union quickly became the only other superpower, because Russians are crazy like that. And Through out the world the smaller nations began to ally with either the US or the USSR. Then came Vietnam. The Vietnamese had been a colony of France for years and in WWII fought on the side of the Allies against Japan. After the war they wanted their independence from France, who was reluctant to give it them. Then after several years of fighting the French pulled out (go figure :P) and the US sent in military advisors. The Vietnamese were leaning towards communism as many developing nations did, because communism was more efficient and was easier for a developing state than democracy. The US though that if they sent in their forces they would easily be able to subdue the outgunned Vietnamese who were tired from years of war. They were very wrong. The Vietnamese, many of whom were still using WWII era weapons, eventually drove the US out of Vietnam. Their guerilla tactics were instrumental in their victory.

There are many parallels to the Empire vs. Ewoks that can be drawn from this. Like the Vietnamese, the Ewoks were expert guerilla warriors. The Empire thought like the US, at Little Big Horn, that the Ewoks would be scared when the saw the Stormtroopers and would run as soon as they were fired upon. The Empire also felt that their technological advances over the Ewoks made them invincible and as a result saw the Ewoks primitive and didn't feel they were a threat.

As a result I think it is very plausible that the Ewoks beat the Empire. When you take in to account what Jesse said, the Ewok's weapons didn't have to penetrate they armor. All they had to do was break bones through the thin armor. The ewoks were able to down several AT-STs because they were able to find the weaknesses of the walker, its balance and it's relatively thin armor. I'm blabbering though, so I'll stop. :P


Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Reid on September 27, 2005, 09:17 PM
The only reason the Ewoks and Rebels defeated the Empire was so GL could show that good triumphs over bad. In a real battle, the Empire would totally slaughter the Rebels and Ewoks.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Ryan on September 27, 2005, 10:03 PM
The only reason the Ewoks and Rebels defeated the Empire was so GL could show that good triumphs over bad. In a real battle, the Empire would totally slaughter the Rebels and Ewoks.

Did you read the last two posts?

If the Empire knew what they were doing then yes they could have won, but the whole good vs. evil metaphor you used can be traced back through history, and you can see countless examples of where the little guy has beaten the big bad "invincible" bad guys.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Reid on September 28, 2005, 06:57 AM
The only reason the Ewoks and Rebels defeated the Empire was so GL could show that good triumphs over bad. In a real battle, the Empire would totally slaughter the Rebels and Ewoks.

Did you read the last two posts?

If the Empire knew what they were doing then yes they could have won, but the whole good vs. evil metaphor you used can be traced back through history, and you can see countless examples of where the little guy has beaten the big bad "invincible" bad guys.

Actually, I didnt read the last two posts. Silly me.
Title: The Battle of Endor
Post by: Angry Ewok on September 28, 2005, 12:32 PM
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In a real battle, the Empire would totally slaughter the Rebels and Ewoks.

It would seem that way on paper, but as the guys have already pointed out (expertly, I might add), what should happen isn't always the case in war.

The Battle of Endor and the Assault on the Second Death Star were both military upsets, as in both cases the Rebellion was outnumbered and outgunned. What blows me away is that the attack on the first Death Star was an even bigger upset, but I don‘t see many threads going after that one...

Personally, I think the battle above Endor was more of an upset than the battle on Endor, but for some reason people seem to look at the Ewok's victorious surprise attack on the Bunker garrison as more unbelievable than the Rebel's victorious (but expected) attack on the operational Death Star (and accompanying Imperial Fleet - including the pride of the Imperial Navy, the Executor).

As far as Ewoks vs. Empire goes…

The Ewoks outnumbered the Imperials and had the home-team advantage matched with guerrilla tactics. This alone is the main reason why the Vietcong gave American forces so much trouble in Vietnam. Pay close enough attention (thank god for DVD), and you’ll see that more often than not, the Imperials were ambushed and surrounded.

The Ewoks are natural born hunters, like the American Natives, Ewoks are deadly accurate with the bow (for the most part - there are a few Woks that prove to be lovers and not killers - Wicket, for example) because naturally Ewoks have to be efficient hunters (or trappers) in order to survive.

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I mean, these trained men get killed by some primitive species.

Ironic… this is the exact attitude that Whites held towards the Natives… even after Little Big Horn. The Ewoks, like the Natives, may be primitive, but they’re skilled warriors, and they don’t fight fair.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/CorvusTortus/Battle%20of%20Endor/cap102.jpg)

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[…]Ewoks show they have weaknesses too... They're uncoordinated somewhat, the blaster weapons show their damage tremendously... The Ewoks were maybe feigning the weakness somewhat to draw the walkers out to their traps[…]


I’ve always believed that the Ewoks’ apparent ‘un-coordination’ was mostly feigned - in several scenes you’ll see a pair of storm troopers chasing a group of fleeing Ewoks - only to be ambushed and hit from all sides.

I like this topic. Let’s get crazy and discuss exactly where the Imperials went wrong…

In my opinion, the Imperials’ should have blown back the tree-line when they first constructed the backdoor… while the backdoor was supposed to be secret, having the woods so close and leaving the main ridge intact (where the Ewok archers picked off the unarmored Officers) was a terrible mistake on the Empire‘s part. Take a look at the scene where Solo and his squad are reunited with the already captured Rebel foot soldiers - the Imperials in the back rows have their backs against the brush… even C3PO could sneak up on these guys!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/CorvusTortus/Battle%20of%20Endor/cap093.jpg)

The Ewoks are literally right on top of the Imperials when they spring their attack… Archers on the ridge facing the backdoor pick off a handful of the officers, a swarm of axe, spear, and club wielding Ewoks hit the Imperials from the sides, and probably most importantly, the Rebel soldiers (and a wookie!) begin to rip apart the unit from the inside with hand-to-hand combat.

The Imperial force is completely engulfed at this point - the bulk of the storm troopers and biker scouts, mostly without any officers, end up scattering into the woods (perhaps moving in the general direction of the front door, in an attempt to link up with a nearby garrison), where they are met with brutal resistance… Along a trail (retreat or blind attack?) Imperials are bombarded with stones (sling-shot, tossed, dropped from gliders, and catapulted), and arrows rain down on them from all directions… Imagine all hell.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/CorvusTortus/Battle%20of%20Endor/cap116.jpg)

In the end, the Imperials are completely routed, presumably the entire garrison force is slaughtered, and the rest is history - Solo calls out the remaining Imperials in the bunker, and the regrouped Ewoks have won the day…

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/CorvusTortus/Battle%20of%20Endor/cap120.jpg)

Title: Re: The Battle of Endor
Post by: Reid on September 29, 2005, 06:29 PM
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In a real battle, the Empire would totally slaughter the Rebels and Ewoks.

It would seem that way on paper, but as the guys have already pointed out (expertly, I might add), what should happen isn't always the case in war.

The Battle of Endor and the Assault on the Second Death Star were both military upsets, as in both cases the Rebellion was outnumbered and outgunned. What blows me away is that the attack on the first Death Star was an even bigger upset, but I don‘t see many threads going after that one...

Personally, I think the battle above Endor was more of an upset than the battle on Endor, but for some reason people seem to look at the Ewok's victorious surprise attack on the Bunker garrison as more unbelievable than the Rebel's victorious (but expected) attack on the operational Death Star (and accompanying Imperial Fleet - including the pride of the Imperial Navy, the Executor).

As far as Ewoks vs. Empire goes…

The Ewoks outnumbered the Imperials and had the home-team advantage matched with guerrilla tactics. This alone is the main reason why the Vietcong gave American forces so much trouble in Vietnam. Pay close enough attention (thank god for DVD), and you’ll see that more often than not, the Imperials were ambushed and surrounded.

The Ewoks are natural born hunters, like the American Natives, Ewoks are deadly accurate with the bow (for the most part - there are a few Woks that prove to be lovers and not killers - Wicket, for example) because naturally Ewoks have to be efficient hunters (or trappers) in order to survive.

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I mean, these trained men get killed by some primitive species.

Ironic… this is the exact attitude that Whites held towards the Natives… even after Little Big Horn. The Ewoks, like the Natives, may be primitive, but they’re skilled warriors, and they don’t fight fair.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/CorvusTortus/Battle%20of%20Endor/cap102.jpg)

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[…]Ewoks show they have weaknesses too... They're uncoordinated somewhat, the blaster weapons show their damage tremendously... The Ewoks were maybe feigning the weakness somewhat to draw the walkers out to their traps[…]


I’ve always believed that the Ewoks’ apparent ‘un-coordination’ was mostly feigned - in several scenes you’ll see a pair of storm troopers chasing a group of fleeing Ewoks - only to be ambushed and hit from all sides.

I like this topic. Let’s get crazy and discuss exactly where the Imperials went wrong…

In my opinion, the Imperials’ should have blown back the tree-line when they first constructed the backdoor… while the backdoor was supposed to be secret, having the woods so close and leaving the main ridge intact (where the Ewok archers picked off the unarmored Officers) was a terrible mistake on the Empire‘s part. Take a look at the scene where Solo and his squad are reunited with the already captured Rebel foot soldiers - the Imperials in the back rows have their backs against the brush… even C3PO could sneak up on these guys!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/CorvusTortus/Battle%20of%20Endor/cap093.jpg)

The Ewoks are literally right on top of the Imperials when they spring their attack… Archers on the ridge facing the backdoor pick off a handful of the officers, a swarm of axe, spear, and club wielding Ewoks hit the Imperials from the sides, and probably most importantly, the Rebel soldiers (and a wookie!) begin to rip apart the unit from the inside with hand-to-hand combat.

The Imperial force is completely engulfed at this point - the bulk of the storm troopers and biker scouts, mostly without any officers, end up scattering into the woods (perhaps moving in the general direction of the front door, in an attempt to link up with a nearby garrison), where they are met with brutal resistance… Along a trail (retreat or blind attack?) Imperials are bombarded with stones (sling-shot, tossed, dropped from gliders, and catapulted), and arrows rain down on them from all directions… Imagine all hell.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/CorvusTortus/Battle%20of%20Endor/cap116.jpg)

In the end, the Imperials are completely routed, presumably the entire garrison force is slaughtered, and the rest is history - Solo calls out the remaining Imperials in the bunker, and the regrouped Ewoks have won the day…

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/CorvusTortus/Battle%20of%20Endor/cap120.jpg)



After reading this, the ewoks winning sorta does make sense now...
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Darth Broem on October 1, 2005, 10:39 PM
Plus it is a PG film and GL did not want to show what the savage Ewoks do to the poor stormtroopers AFTER they have knocked them out or killed.  I shudder to think of it when we see those sick, badass ewoks playing with the helmets as musical instruments.  No, these little warriors are far to savage for a PG audience :)
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: blaster_e11 on October 7, 2005, 10:18 AM
nice post angry ewok very convincing  8)
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Joe on November 9, 2005, 10:46 PM
I do agree that things that should happen in war dont always........Time for One Of Joey's old ww2 storys...........this time the topic is ...D-Day....

When the allies invaded france it went smooth at most of the invasion sites (smooth meaning 400-500 dead or wounded) well really all but one....Omaha Beach....over 2,000 soldiers got killed there.(including 2 of my grandfathers friends) But we still pulled through.Using milartary logic the Germans should of won...they had the high ground, the shelter,and the snipers,mortars and MGs.The US soldiers pulled together and overcame that obstacle and blew a hole in the germans defence and it was uphill for the allies from that point on...

The Ewoks logicly would have lost but they pulled together and usednumbers and determaintion over sheer power.


Well every body else told a story.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Paul on March 5, 2006, 10:44 AM
I like to look at is a prime example of when defending, picking your battle field.

The Ewoks opened the the attack and then lured the Empire into the forest where the traps/ambushes were set up. 

Much like the Sioux and 7th Cav or the Britsh and the Zulus the Wolverines and the Cubans or the VC and the US (and French before them).

I also think the Ewoks had numerical superiority on the Empire.  It never seemed like more than perhaps a platoon of Stormtroopers and a Platoon total of Biker Scouts and Death Star Trooper combined.

I don't know the exact formula for it, but I think some philosopher said the ant could defeat the elephant because of numbers...
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Jesse James on March 6, 2006, 06:29 AM
Exactly Paul, plus add to that #'s argument that they're at a backdoor entrance...  I've seen the AT-AT element posed in arguments, but the AT-AT's IMO have never been even in the battle.  They're at the big open field where the main dish is...  It's where I think the Empire expected the assault.

The real battle was a small force at the (perhaps too convenient) secret backdoor entrance...  Less troops, vehicles less effective in the growth...  Perhaps not as convenient for the Rebels (I have this other theory of the bunker door to the control station being a VERY long distance, and time elapsing isn't represented well on film at all, but that's just me).

The Endor Battle really plays out well for me, but the thing of it is, is that you have to be looking at it from a certain POV from Earth's own historical conflicts, and you also have to have this ability to see beyond what the films show too, for it to be acceptable...  I think the films are like lame highlight reels of a much bigger game, and you really don't capture a fraction of what actually happened or the timing of how it happened, or the scope/scale of these events.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Greg on March 6, 2006, 08:10 PM
Wow, a lot of you are putting a lot of well researched points into this argument. I have to agree a lot with the terrain argument. The Gungans were just as primitive, or perhaps a little more, than the Ewoks. Even though they were a diversion, I think they lost because of fighting on an open field with little to no cover, and combined with the fact that they had too much faith in their sheilds and were outnumbered, outgunned,and lacked the element of surprise. The Ewoks on the other hand, had a lot of cover at their disposal. Even though the scout walkers could blast right through the trees, plants and other obstacles, the stormtroopers did not know their way around the forest as well as the Ewoks. The Ewoks winning is very likely.

Now if an AT-AT were there, I believe the battle would,ve gone differently. I could see an Ewok log-swingy trap-thingy being used on an AT-AT, and the logs just bouncing off the armor. If I were the Imperial commanding officer in that engagement, I would've had my men form up by the doorway and not spread out. Ewoks had no explosives or any extremely lethal weapons, and the Rebel Commando's explosives were for blowing the bunker, so the Imperials should've used their ranged weaponds, the cover of the doorway, and the cleared space to their advantage. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Jesse James on March 21, 2006, 06:48 AM
On the issue of Gungans, I wouldn't say they're MORE primitive than Ewoks...  I wouldn't even say they're as primitive as Ewoks actually.  Gungans had utilized mechanical transportation that, for underwater, was as advanced as air and landspeeders on the surface really.

They'd also formed modern-ish looking cities...  Or so it seemed, there's not a lot seen of Otoh Gunga.

Also their weapons are energy weapons...  Like the weapons of the Geonosians, they are unique to the species, but nonetheless they are a HIGHLY destructive energy weapon when used against the Battledroids.  I think the bigger issue with the Gungans is they are, really, nothing more than a simple diversion... 

For instance, the Gungans weren't confident in their shields, they knew they'd fail eventually, but they still went into combat.  There was distinct mention of the losses though...  Nass said they'd do what they had to though and all and they did.

The other important thing is remembering that the Federation knew they were there in the swamps...  It was a matter of time at that point before they attacked that area, so the human forces moved in to assault the city while the droid army exited that area and assaulted the Gungans...  Really though, the strategy was pretty much as sound as it gets for all the more they had to send into the battle.

I definitely don't look at the Gungans as archaic though like the Ewoks...  They're just different.  Their shield withstood a bombardment even from some pretty hefty artillery.  It only collapsed later into the battle when something hit the Faamba's back...  It almost makes you wonder if something WITHIN the shield hit it more than the artillery blasts.  The AAT's were sorta right there to move into the battle when the shield did collapse so maybe one of the droids went in with a warhead launcher or some such...  It would seem odd for the AAT's to cease firing just to get the infantry out, then start again when they attacked. 

On the issue of an AT-AT, there was one on Endor actually...  At least one, if not more.  I think it was far away from the rear bunker, closer to the main complex where I think the INITIAL plan of attack by the Rebel Commando team was focused...  I think that's what made this whole mission such a "suicide" mission, whereas it became substantially "easier" with the back entrance they didn't even seem to know about.

The area around the complex, IMO, was probably a wider open space, with massive deforestation.  In shots of the model for the Endor Shield Generator complex there's 3 (or 4) heavy artillery towers like on the Death Star's surface, the generator, etc...  The massive explosion implies it's a fair distance from the back door to the generator complex too of course.  I figure the area around the generator is pretty well leveled and flat, good for an AT-AT to patrol the perimeter or whatnot...   The rear door complex is patrolled by scouts and AT-ST walkers, though the ST Walker still has trouble with the heavy forest really.  In video games it's not terribly difficult but it does lend itself to easier attack on the walkers, which I think makes some sense.

So to me an AT-AT coming into the battle as we see it really isn't going to be effective.  It won't be easily destroyed by log traps though of course, but I think it wouldn't do much damage to anyone either...  It'd be shooting down into tree trunks at targets it couldn't find.  It also could be quite a distance away waiting on an attack that never comes at the main complex... 

I have this theory that the forces at the back door are the weaker element, and the forces at the main complex are still expecting a heavier assault there of some sort.  The forces at the back door are definitely not what I'd consider "an entire LEGION of my best troops" though.  They seem like a hodgepodge mix of Naval troops maybe working the station more than being part of the legion itself, and scouts with some Stormtrooper support and the walkers that maybe HAPPENED to be somewhat nearby for whatever reason.

Just some thoughts on this topic additionally...  Endor's an often debated one I've noticed, always a good topic to discuss.
Title: Re: The Battle of Endor: Ewoks vs. the Empire
Post by: Darth_Anton on March 27, 2006, 01:27 AM
Great arguments, and I agree that it's not impossible for the Ewoks to win for all the above reasons.