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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: MisterPL on April 9, 2003, 09:36 AM
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Hypothetical situation:
From the NewYorkPost (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hypothetical):
...Lucas, a pioneer in digital motion picture technology, apparently insists on using the emerging format in the next and possibly final installment of the Indiana Jones saga. Best buddy Steven Speilberg, who directed the first three top-grossing films, has been quoted as being adamantly opposed to the new computer-friendly medium, saying he prefers the "magic" of traditional film. However, Lucas owns the property and has decided to direct the next Indy flick himself without Spielberg's involvement.
A spokesperson for Lucas said, "This is an effects heavy script under a very tight deadline. In order to slip through this limited window of opportunity in a timely manner, Mr. Lucas feels digital image capture is the way to go." Spielberg's camp only replied, "This wouldn't be the first time [Spielberg] didn't direct one of his sequels." Neither Lucas nor Spielberg have commented on the rift.
In another development, a source close to Harrison Ford has stated the leading man has misgivings about Lucas' directing abilities and may bow out of the production altogether, leaving Lucas to recast the role of Indiana Jones. Perhaps a prequel trilogy, Mr. Lucas?
Okay, this would suck. But what if George decided to direct Indy IV himself. Assume Ford bites the bullet and stays with the production. Everything else goes as planned, the only difference is that George is directing it. Would you still run to theatres to see it? Wait for home video? Or disown the fourth movie altogether as apocryphal and cherish what we already have?
Is it possible George can direct Indiana Jones better than Star Wars?
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It will be interesting to see what happens here. I would be slightly less interested if George is directing. Spielberg can do mostly no wrong in my eyes. George while I still enjoy his movies has gone a little looney and lost his edge somewhere in 1978.
I'd say Indy would be a little less whiz bang effects laden than the Star Wars movies are. Sure he's going to want to put in some effects like when Toht melted or Indy walked the plank in Crusade. But having a digital effect in every shot would ruin it. Somehow I almost think Lucas thinks this is the way it should be. Spielberg has been the best at melding real and CGI IMO, such as with A.I. (which gets slagged too much IMO) or the JP movies.
So I think they will come to some sort of compromise...it will be interesting though
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I would actually like to see digital effects done in the next Indy movie. I wouldn't mind if Star Wars EP3 was shot 100% with digital effects. If he could do such an awesome job on Clone Troopers and Yoda, he should just do it for the entire movie.
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I would actually like to see digital effects done in the next Indy movie. I wouldn't mind if Star Wars EP3 was shot 100% with digital effects. If he could do such an awesome job on Clone Troopers and Yoda, he should just do it for the entire movie.
I disagree...I would want the new movie to be somewhat seemless with the other 3 which didn't rely on much CGI at all. Some of the stuff they did do was a little cheesy (Tank going over the cliff in Crusade) and would look a ton cooler with modern effects. But I just can't see unless the story is about aliens or something why they would want to do this
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I think the CGI is also getting out hand, the story needs to be better and then everything else is based on it. Things looked a tad fake and George went out of his way to include some of the Digital stuff. It can be great if done right.
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Lets face it, George is a crappy director, and Indy is not a Computer-graphics kind of movie... I love the Indy films because they are very REAL feeling, not all this lame CGI filling the screen and making everything busy.
I wouldn't mind if Star Wars EP3 was shot 100% with digital effects. If he could do such an awesome job on Clone Troopers and Yoda, he should just do it for the entire movie.
I'm currently in discussions with Chris so I can go ahead and ban you just for saying that... The graphics in EP2 are not all that amazing, but even if they were, the whole movie in CGI?! Lucas' CGI is more than almost annoying, if you ask me! All Lucas is able to do anymore is make every single shot completely busy and hectic looking.
Just kidding about the ban thing... OR WAS I! Dum dum dum!
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I have a tough time visualizing an effects-heavy Indy script unless it was something along the lines of The Mummy. At one point, before that particular film started production, there were rumors of Indiana Jones and the Mummy's Tomb or something like that. (This is LONG before the video game.)
Indiana Jones and the Nazi Zombies?
Indiana Jones and the Curse of Mola Ram?
Indiana Jones and the Love Interests' Ghosts?
Whatever it is, it has to be HUGE. Indy needs to go on a quest that has him battling great white sharks off the coast of New England, dragracing hot rods in Northern California, and discovering an alien crash site in the New Mexico desert.
All we need now is Harrison Ford and a blue screen.
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The graphics in EP2 are not all that amazing, but even if they were, the whole movie in CGI?! Lucas' CGI is more than almost annoying, if you ask me! All Lucas is able to do anymore is make every single shot completely busy and hectic looking.
What are you talking about? The graphics in EP2 were outstanding! Look at the detail of those clone troopers! It's unbelivable how detailed they were, and I can't believe you didn't thing the graphics were all that great.
Just kidding about the ban thing... OR WAS I! Dum dum dum!
So now you want to ban me, huh? LOL! You crack me up sometimes, ya know that?? ;D
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What are you talking about? The graphics in EP2 were outstanding! Look at the detail of those clone troopers! It's unbelivable how detailed they were, and I can't believe you didn't thing the graphics were all that great.
For today's standards, the graphics didn't look all that great. I mean, just watch the field scene with Anakin riding that butt-thing. Terrible! Now, putting the quality of the graphics aside, the graphics are also bad because, as far as the clones go, (and hey, I like them too), all they are is the same charactor "file" on a continuous loop.
Watch closely, they all have the same move-pattern because the programmers went cheap and only wrote a half dozen (pulling number out of the air) or so animation scripts. Okay, I used a lot of terminology there, and probably not the right terms, either, but you know what I'm saying.
The graphics failed to replace humans, and so I say they weren't that great.
(We've hijacked the thread, I think)
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Indiana Jones should be done just the way the first 3 were done. The days of the old Special Effects are sadly gone.
If Lucas was to work on this, it will fail.
Let Speilberg to do the magic. Indiana Jones will not succeed without Harrison Ford & we don't need a prequel trilogy.
Any word if Sean Connery will be signed? I heard awhile back that he would like to do another Indy movie.
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Did anyone see on CNN news that the Indiana Jones IV movie is on hold. Yep it is true. The CNN said that Director George Lucas did not like the script. They said that a new script will begin shortly. So how far back will this movie be pushed?
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I don't think George has any ground to stand on to complain about anyone else's scripting ability.
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Better not be too long. It's not like Connery is getting that much younger. Realistically neither is Harrison Ford, though he's hardly what I would call old.
Wonder what Lucas didn't like?
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Yeah, after the prequels I dont know if I trust GLs judgement anymore...
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Realistically neither is Harrison Ford, though he's hardly what I would call old.
*giggle*
Wonder what Lucas didn't like?
The script wasn't fully illustrated.
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Meh, I'm not really all that excited about Indy IV, I thought they ended Last Crusade perfectly and there was no need for IV,
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Meh, I'm not really all that excited about Indy IV, I thought they ended Last Crusade perfectly and there was no need for IV,
That's how I felt about Return of the Jedi...
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I, too, hope that Indy 4 is on hold--permanently.
No need for more adventures, and a sixty-five year old Ford running around, trying to pull off the same stuff he did in his thirties, would be more goofy than anything.
Just because they're all who they are, just because they can make it--doesn't mean they should.
You can have too much of a good thing.
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Soooo...what's the latest on Indy IV. I had heard some pretty strong rumors a few weeks ago that it was all but dead. Didn't know if that was because they hadn't agreed on a script and it got blown out of proportion or because it truly is dead ;D
Anyone ever given thought to the idea of Harrison Ford as Indy being replaceable in a Bondesque type of role? I don't really want that either but I think some people wouldn't mind the franchise living on in some form
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I don't think it's necessary for them to make this film. I don't care if it never gets done. I liked how they ended it with LC.
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Anyone ever given thought to the idea of Harrison Ford as Indy being replaceable in a Bondesque type of role? I don't really want that either but I think some people wouldn't mind the franchise living on in some form
ehhh, i don't know about that. i'm a fan of the bond films, and don't really mind the change from actor to actor for the most part, but i think indy is indy and you can't really change him.
now, if they figured out a good actor to play a younger indiana jones, kinda like the tv series back in the day, that might be a good idea. or hey, with all this technology available, why not just make a cg indiana in harrison's likeness, but around the same age as he was back in raiders? no stuntmen, no injuries. and most likely, no good. :P
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Hmmm....
Lots of reports coming in that this thing is indefinately on hold due to some differences in the script again.
http://www.washtimes.com/entertainment/20040718-091122-2262r.htm
http://www.suntimes.com/output/movies/cst-ftr-indy19.html
Sounds like everybody involved liked the Indy 4 script except Georgie, who after thinking on it, decided that he wants a better/faster/action-filled ending... Maybe Indy 4 needs a Pod Car Race? ::)
Jeff
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On a related note I just saw on the news that Pat Roach died on the 17th. He was the Nazi muscleman Indy brawled with in Raiders and the Thugee guard Indy fights on the conveyor belt in Doom.
Variety article (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/variety/20040719/va_ob/pat_roach_1)
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Lucas, Spielberg OK 'Indy 4' script (http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/Artists/F/Ford_Harrison/2005/05/30/1063174.html)
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I'm torn on this one, I love Indy, really love him, revisiting the franchise after 16 years could be hit or miss
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I read in Time magazine that this is still supposed to happen. Lucas says they are having a hell of a time with the script. I can believe it if he wrote it. He says in there that they were not going to do another Indy movie. But then he came up with this "idea" and everyone loved it.
The soap opera continues on this movie. Personally, I think someone does not want it made that badly or it would get done. It must not be that great of an idea afterall.
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Ford eager to start new Indiana Jones film (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060315/en_nm/leisure_ford_dc)
Wed Mar 15, 5:53 AM ET
BERLIN (Reuters) -
Harrison Ford is ready to jump back into his favorite film role and begin shooting the fourth Indiana Jones movie soon, a German magazine quoted the Hollywood actor as saying on Wednesday.
Steven Spielberg and I now have a script in hand that we both like. I believe that we can start with the filming soon," Ford was quoted as saying in an interview with German lifestyle and entertainment magazine Fit for Fun.
The third and last Indy film, 1989 hit "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade," starred Ford as the whip-swinging archaeologist and
Sean Connery as his bumbling father.
Ford, 63, was quoted as saying that he needed "to do a little practicing with the whip" to avoid injuries.
As much as I love the character, and everyone involved--I still maintain that the only good that will come out of Indy 4 is a possible renewed interest in the toy license.
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As much as I love Indiana Jones and Harrison Ford, 63 year old action star is an oxymoron.
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I wouldn't mind if Indy was now the professor/father and the movie is about his son. The big dark clouds of doubt for me circle around GL directing. I don't mind him writing the script but please don't let him direct this. If he gets to direct it then it will be like the prequels and this movie will be meh. He has a knack for OKing bad/cheesy acting..you know acting that looks like acting? ::)
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I think you have the roles reversed - George should direct and not write.
The prequel directing wasn't bad, it was the dialogue (or the story if you're talking about TPM). 8)
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If they make it, I'll watch... and most likely get sucked into whatever Toy Line goes along with it. ::)
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Like most, love the Indy Trilogy, and I think they ended it pretty well with "The Last Crusade". If Spielburg/Lucas/Ford think they might have something great, than go for it, but I get the feeling it's just another way for each of them to prove themselves they still got something left.
Also, Harrison Ford said recently in a interview (don't know exactly where) that he is absolutely sick and tired of answering "So, when are you doing Indy 4?" questions, and just wants to get the whole damn thing over with.
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Just for reference, Ford turns 64 on July 13.
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I read this article/interview (http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1173216,00.html) with Lucas that was from TIME (posted yesterday the way it looks), and its kind of interesting to read. He talks a bit about Indy IV in there as well, and sounds like he's done his writing portion of it and that will be that. Of course, you never know exactly what that means, but its a pretty decent interview overall if you are interested.
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Just for reference, Ford turns 64 on July 13.
And he will be older (in Indy 4) than Connery was in Last Crusade...
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**** it - I hope they go for it and make it huge. And I hope Connery comes back and there are Nazis (although a 63 year old Indy would make more sense in the 60's with some Soviets to fight...) and monsters and lions and tigers and bears.
And I'll be there on opening night.
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I hope he's drug by something.
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I think you have the roles reversed - George should direct and not write.
The prequel directing wasn't bad, it was the dialogue (or the story if you're talking about TPM). 8)
I would agree that the directing was better than the writing.
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I'll be waiting for it...Loved the first 3 and I hope for the best.
P.S. I hope this isn't another TPM. I don't think I could handle that.
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There does seem to be a spike in the Indy 4 chatter lately. We'll see if they actually get to work on it. For me it's like listening to the Cub's say that Mark Prior and Kerry Wood are going to pitch soon. I will believe it when I see those 2 pitching in a MLB game. I will believe Indy 4 is going to be released when I see it on the big screen.
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Yeah, after the prequels I dont know if I trust GLs judgement anymore...
I couldn't have said it better myself. Everything has gone to his head. I'd rather forget the whole idea than have one more with Lucas at the lens...
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Uh. . . Lucas didn't direct any of the other Indy flicks, and he won't be directing this one, either, should it come to fruition.
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I read this article/interview (http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1173216,00.html) with Lucas that was from TIME (posted yesterday the way it looks), and its kind of interesting to read. He talks a bit about Indy IV in there as well, and sounds like he's done his writing portion of it and that will be that. Of course, you never know exactly what that means, but its a pretty decent interview overall if you are interested.
Thanks for the link, Brian. Just in case that article disappears at some point in the future, here's the part of it that's pertinent to Indy 4:
R.C. If you’re retired, I guess you’ll be less involved with an Indiana Jones 4 than you were in the first three?
G.L. Well, I’ve been working on Indy 4 for ten years. So I’ve been more involved, so no matter how you count it on this one I’ll be more involved than I’ll have ever been on the other three put together. It’s taken forever to get a script of it. That’s my part of it.
R.C. Isn’t Harrison Ford now older than Sean Connery was when he played his father in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?
G.L. Uhh, yeah. But the thing is designed for that. And I think it’s funny, it’s exciting. You know the problem there, which is not a problem, is that we don’t have to make that movie. All we can do is hurt ourselves, all it’s going to do is get criticized. I mean it’s basically Phantom Menace we’re making. No matter how you do it, no matter what you do, it won’t be what the other ones were in terms of the impact or the way people remember them.
R.C. But there’s also no need to complete the holes in the epic.
G.L. We don’t have anything like that. We just had a great time making those movies. And if we can have a great time doing this one and we can enjoy ourselves, and make something that’s entertaining to us, no matter what the world thinks, let’s just do it.
R.C. But you also have to decide on the format, right?
G.L. In terms of what?
R.C.Do you say, "Dammit, Steven, do it in digital," and he says, "Dammit, George, I’m doing it on film"?
G.L. Pretty much.
R.C.Who wins?
G.L. He’ll win. He’s the director. The great thing about working with Steven is that we don’t have agendas. We want to make the best movie possible, I want him to be happy. If he he wants to shoot it on film and cut it on a Movieola... Hey, he’s got a great editor. Michael Kahn can cut faster on a Movieola than anybody can cut on an Avid. And I don’t really care. But I do tell him, 'This is your chance to play with this and experiment with it and blame it all on me'—say, ‘He made me do it.’ And then you can go back to film if you want. But he has relented after all these years to maybe cutting it digitally. We’ll see what happens.
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Uh. . . Lucas didn't direct any of the other Indy flicks, and he won't be directing this one, either, should it come to fruition.
Ummm, I know that. I was saying that I don't want another Indy flick IF Lucas is behind the lens....
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Ummm, I know that. I was saying that I don't want another Indy flick IF Lucas is behind the lens....
But, uh. . . he's not gonna be directing the next one, so your point is, uhh. . . moot.
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Wow I just read that article and Lucas is making the SW TV show in 3D with the 3 D glasses and everything :-X that will suck unless its the good 3 D where you dont see the outline of red and blue on everything, like what you see at Disney amusement parks "Like the Honey I shrunk the kids" 3D film at disneyland it looks real becasue it doesnt have a stupid red and blue outline.
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Teaser Poster!
(http://www.flagrantdisregard.com/flickr/output/posterffbbea641de74df23e9316d6d614b9b2.jpg)
(create your own custom movie poster) (http://www.flagrantdisregard.com/flickr/poster.php)
Your teaser poster is a red X? ;)
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Hmmmm, it says this page cannot be found...
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Hmmmm, it says this page cannot be found...
Well, apparently they weren't joking about the "put it on your Flickr account" business. Like I said, it wasn't that good anyway, so I'll just delete the whole kit-and-caboodle and in a hundred years this won't make a lick of sense to anybody.
Continued apologies for the red x.
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Star Wars and Indiana Jones 4 Updates (http://comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=15053)
Howard Roffman, president of Lucas Licensing, said the Lucasfilm division also will be looking for licensing partners for the summer 2007 release of a new "Indiana Jones" video game from LucasArts and the summer 2008 release of a new "Indiana Jones" movie.
2008!
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If they film it next summer, Ford will be 65.
(Well, he'll be 65 next summer, whether they film it or not, won't he?)
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How old was he supposed to be as the old professor in the Young Indy TV series? Maybe he'll lose an eye in the 2008 film. ;D
Ford can still pull off 50 with no problem. But who knows if he can pull off a fight scene.
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Indiana Jones and the Mystery of the Ancient Nursing Home.
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If Sean Connery Returns he would have to be like 85-90 in the film ??? To quote a famous SW line: "I have a bad feeling about this"
The only good I see possibly coming out of this is the licensing. Hopefully we will get a new line of Indy figs to cover all the movies.
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The only good I see possibly coming out of this is the licensing. Hopefully we will get a new line of Indy figs to cover all the movies.
At this point, I'd be happy with just a good, 3 3/4", super-articulated Indy. Pack it with a bunch of accessories, and let SWShop sell it for $15 or $20. I'd be in for at least one or two.
I'm convinced that, even if IJ4 happens, we'll never see a resurgence of Indy toys like we did with SW back in '95. But then again, the Indy toys had nowhere near the popularity that the SW line enjoyed. Why is that, I wonder? Not that they should have done as well as SW, but they shouldn't have tanked like they did. Maybe it's because they didn't hit stores until well after Raiders came out, and before Temple of Doom was released. Too bad, though--I think the figures themselves were just as good, if not better, than the SW figures. Decent likenesses for the time, good accessories, lots of soft-goods, and ARTICULATED KNEES!
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At this point, I'd be happy with just a good, 3 3/4", super-articulated Indy. Pack it with a bunch of accessories, and let SWShop sell it for $15 or $20. I'd be in for at least one or two.
I couldn't agree more. I hope that the movie is good as well, but I hope that we can at least get some Indiana Jones action figures out of this - hopefully in the 3 3/4" scale. Like mentioned by Grandma Tarkin, if they could at least do an all-out, super articulated Indy figure - even if it is a $15 exclusive - I'd be all over it. I was always surprised the vintage Indy toys weren't more successful too, heck, I don't even remember seeing them as a kid for the most part.
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After further thought, I think the failure of Kenner's Indy line was probably due to Kenner's own success with Star Wars than anything else. The Indy stuff was good, but I think it was out around '82 and '83, which was right when the Jedi stuff was coming out. Plus, their 3 3/4" G.I. Joe line started up in '82, as well. Competing for shelf space (and consumers' disposable income) with those two lines had to have been a tall order back then. I think that's it--it was just a victim of bad timing, probably.
(And would it be possible for a mod to change the title of the thread, just to "Indiana Jones 4" or something? If and when it gets made, Lucas won't be directing. . .)
(Thanks, Jeff.)
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heck, I don't even remember seeing them as a kid for the most part.
I remember them being in the discount bin at KB Toys when I was a kid. They didn't have the regular Indy but I remember having multiples of the German Disguise Indy and the German Mechanic. Oh how I wish I still had those...
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"Honey I shrunk the kids" 3D film at disneyland it looks real becasue it doesnt have a stupid red and blue outline.
I loved that thing! :D
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"Honey I shrunk the kids" 3D film at disneyland it looks real becasue it doesnt have a stupid red and blue outline.
I loved that thing! :D
You would. :)
Kevin
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Seeing the preview for Rocky 18 or whatever the newest one is has actually given me great fear for Indy 4.
Harrison Ford is too damn old to be Indiana Jones. Unless he's playing the Sean Connery roll to some other action star in this one, I'm not sure I want to see him swinging from a tree by his whip or getting into fist fights. It might be more depressing than anything else.
I'm sure I'll still go the day it comes out, but I sincerely hope Indy is more of a treasure hunter than a swashbuckler this time around.
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Something more along the lines of the middle 30 minutes of National Treasure then, eh? ;)
What about when they both drank from the Holy Grail in Last Crusade? Anyone think that'll be used to explain some age thing?
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To pull off Indy 4 I think (and hope) the directors take into account Harrison's age and give him faults (strengths, weekness) based on his age. It would make him a much more human character IMO and would allow for those humorous scenes we are used to in the original films. My understanding is that the film will stay loyal to the originals but with a little less action due to his age which is the way it should be. Now if Sean Connery returns I dont know how that will be pulled off unless he just has a brief cameo, etc.
As far as the toys go? I would be content with maybe 6 figures from each film which is all that is necessary. Maybe something like this:
Raider of the Lost Ark
Indiana Jones
Marion Ravenwood
Belloq
Toht
Sallah
Brody
Temple of Doom
Indiana Jones
Willhemina Scott
Short Round
Mola Ram
Last Crusade
Indiana Jones
Henry Jones
Marcus Brody
Elsa Schneider
Sala
Young Indy
Walter Donavan
Of course most of these figures would peg warm due to their sheer boringness.
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Nothing says "this line's gonna tank at retail" quite like two different Denholm Elliott figures.
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Where's the Nazi bad guys (redundancy)? And the Thuggee Guards? Gotta have some more generic bad guys in there. And I'd drop Brody from Raiders and put him in the Crusade wave only--he had a bigger role, and the costumes were very similar. And I'd drop Sallah from Crusade. And I'd drop Donovan from Crusade, too. Just too many boring old white guys, all around.
But all of that's moot, because there's never gonna be a new Indiana Jones line, anyway. It just doesn't have the marketing "Force" that Star Wars has.
But I was thinking more about that "uber Indy" figure that I mentioned earlier. This is what I'd like to see:
14-points of articulation
Removable hat
Whip
Removable satchel
Revolver
Working holster
Some kind of removable jacket
And some of the accessories could include:
Fertility idol
Ra headpiece
Ark of the Covenant
Sankara Stones
Cross of Coronado
Holy Grail
I'd pay twenty bucks for something like that, and you guys probably would, too.
But that's all moot, too, 'cause that's never gonna happen, either.
I would like to know, though, who owns the Indy toy license. I have no idea anymore. Those crap-ass Disney figures from a few years ago just muddled the whole thing up even more.
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Last Crusade
Indiana Jones
Henry Jones
Marcus Brody
Elsa Schneider
Sala
Young Indy
Walter Donavan
Of course most of these figures would peg warm due to their sheer boringness.
No Knight?
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If they do a toy line it will just be all Indy figures and little else I believe. You know....Indy with whip action, Indy with punching action, Indy with kicking action, Indy in German outfit kicking action, Indy Deluxe with whip, hat, idol, pistol and horse. It will all be kiddie looking like those E.T. figure a few years back.
We all want a line of Indy figures as mentioned but I doubt the public would get that.
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It will all be kiddie looking like those E.T. figure a few years back.
How TRU managed to rid themselves of that inventory is bewildering...
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It will all be kiddie looking like those E.T. figure a few years back.
How TRU managed to rid themselves of that invetory is bewildering...
Maybe there is an ET santuary somewhere and they got buried with all those Atari 2600 cartridges.
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I would love a line of Indy figures. One of my cats is named Brody after Denholm Elliot's character.
My fiancee is on notice that no matter what breed we get, our first dog will be named Indiana, since that was the dog's name.
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I'm surprised at how skeptical people are about Indy 4. If you follow the films that Spielberg has been making (the action films AND the dramas) the guy is still a director of great skill and heart. He's put Lucas off over and over in search of the right script. If he's going to make it now, it must be a good concept.
Also, the theme of the whole thing will be age and how it affects us. Lucas is an odd bird, and his movies don't always click, but Spielberg is a true genius, and I think he'll deliver.
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I wonder when we're gonna here the plot or title atleast.
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I'm surprised at how skeptical people are about Indy 4. If you follow the films that Spielberg has been making (the action films AND the dramas) the guy is still a director of great skill and heart. He's put Lucas off over and over in search of the right script. If he's going to make it now, it must be a good concept.
Also, the theme of the whole thing will be age and how it affects us. Lucas is an odd bird, and his movies don't always click, but Spielberg is a true genius, and I think he'll deliver.
Good post. :)
:)
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I'm surprised at how skeptical people are about Indy 4. If you follow the films that Spielberg has been making (the action films AND the dramas) the guy is still a director of great skill and heart. He's put Lucas off over and over in search of the right script. If he's going to make it now, it must be a good concept.
Also, the theme of the whole thing will be age and how it affects us. Lucas is an odd bird, and his movies don't always click, but Spielberg is a true genius, and I think he'll deliver.
Thing is, though--all three of those guys are but shadows of their late seventies and early eighties selves. Especially Lucas and Ford, but even the quality of Spielberg's stuff has fallen off quite a bit.
I'd rather this movie not come out in the first place. Crusade wrapped things up perfectly, with the "ride off into the sunset" ending. Now, Denholm Elliott's dead, and it seems unlikely that Sean Connery would be returning. If it does happen, I hope it turns out well, but I can't say I'm very optimistic about it. It seems like nothing more than a last-chance cash-grab.
:)
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i think spielberg still has some skills. if he wasn't onboard i would agree that this movie would be a total joke and ruin the reputation of the series. my actual truest preference would be for the indiana jones movies to be more like the bond films where we get one every 3 years and when an actor gets too old they replace him. isn't it time tom selleck gets his chance with the hat and whip?
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What about when they both drank from the Holy Grail in Last Crusade? Anyone think that'll be used to explain some age thing?
Well,it explains that they don't have to sneak around anymore! ;) That would be cool,Indy sort of caring less about being shot & kicking even more butt than he usually does,just a mad shoot out.*drools...*
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What about when they both drank from the Holy Grail in Last Crusade? Anyone think that'll be used to explain some age thing?
No.
The Grail only worked in the temple, and couldn't be taken past the seal. That's why the knight had been living in the temple for hundreds of years, guarding the cup, and when the other knights left the temple, they died shortly thereafter.
my actual truest preference would be for the indiana jones movies to be more like the bond films where we get one every 3 years and when an actor gets too old they replace him.
That's one of the main reasons the James Bond films suck, in my opinion.
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I think Lucas has some skills left too. AOTC wasn't bad by any means and ROTS was outstanding. I'd hardly say that he's no longer talented.
As for Ford, he'll always be Han Solo/Indiana Jones. So no role he really does after those movies will ever live up to what he did before.
Bring on Indy 4.
:)
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If you think the work that any of these guys are doing today is as good as the work they were doing twenty-five and thirty years ago, you need to have your head examined.
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If you think the work that any of these guys are doing today is as good as the work they were doing twenty-five and thirty years ago, you need to have your head examined.
What if you think it's better? I certainly think that Sith was a better picture than say Jedi, or American Graffiti.
Kevin
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What if you think it's better?
Easy.
Full-scale lobotomy.
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Gotta agree with Matt - you guys are absolutely bars-in-the-window pyscho if you think Lucas has gotten better as he's gotten older. If anything, the projects he's given up to the people surrounding him are usually better off (Empire Strikes Back, Indiana Jones, and Revenge of the Sith, for example?)...
Spielberg is much, much more debatable, considering he's always been relatively reliable as a film maker. While his classics are untouchable, just about anything he works on is pretty good in my opinion... Munich, War of the Worlds, The Terminal, Catch me if you Can, Minority Report, AI, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, Hook, Indiana Jones, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Jaws, etc.
His filmography is a stark contrast to someone who is connected to major motion picture contributions such as Howard the Duck and The Phantom Menace.
Back to the Indy 4 discussion...
Sorry, I just don't see this film ever happening. I hope it does, even though my expectations would be very low.
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Spielberg, Ford and Lucas on Indy IV (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=19382)
Getting one of the Indiana Jones triumvirate to talk about the fourth sequel is a rare opportunity, but getting George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford to spill at the same time is as infrequent as finding a needle in a haystack under some hen's teeth on a blue moony night at the end of a month of Sundays.
But Empire was lucky enough to speak with the trio as part of our massive Indiana Jones 25th anniversary celebrations and it seems that Indy IV is going to be a tad controversial.
“We’re basically going to do The Phantom Menace”, says Lucas (stay with him here, he’s making a point). “People’s expectations are way higher than you can deliver. You could just get killed for the whole thing…We would do it for fun and just take the hit with the critics and the fans...But nobody wants to get into it unless they are really happy with it”.
The ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ situation has freed up an idea for a plot that was originally deemed too incendiary.
“I discovered a McGuffin,” continues Lucas, still reluctant to name said McGuffin. “I told the guys about it and they were a little dubious about it, but it’s the best one we’ve ever found… Unfortunately, it was a little too ‘connected’ for the others. They were afraid of what the critics would think. They said, “Can’t we do it with a different McGuffin? Can’t we do this?” and I said “No”. So we pottered around with that for a couple of years. And then Harrison really wanted to do it and Steve said, “Okay”. I said, “We’ll have to go back to that original MacGuffin and take out the offending parts of it and we’ll still use that area of the supernatural do deal with it”.
“Hopefully it will be different in all the right ways and the same in all the familiar ways,” adds Spielberg.
As for timing, Lucas says that filming is scheduled for mid-2007, for a 2008 release but getting the gang back together is a tricky proposition. “Before I was just working with Steven and Harrison. Now everybody’s a superstar, so it’s a little bit more difficult than it was then”. “But there’s a good chance it will happen,” assures Ford. “There are things left for this character to do”.
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**** it.
I'm excited and am going to cross my fingers in hope that it might be good.
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Will McGuffin be CGI or a real actor?
That's the million dollar question.
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Will McGuffin be CGI or a real actor?
That's the million dollar question.
I think you just discovered the name of the newest baddie in the Indiana Jones series.
Will McGuffin--it's got a good ring to it.
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“We’re basically going to do The Phantom Menace”, says Lucas (stay with him here, he’s making a point). “People’s expectations are way higher than you can deliver. You could just get killed for the whole thing…We would do it for fun and just take the hit with the critics and the fans...But nobody wants to get into it unless they are really happy with it”.
What a freaking cop-out. It's not impossible to make Indiana Jones 4 a good movie. Maybe for the hack Lucas has become it is, but not for someone with talent. Sure, if you have Indy team up with a talking kangaroo and make endless poop and pee-pee jokes, it's going to suck, so DON'T DO THAT!
Just make a good movie. Not one that you think your kids would have giggled at when they were 10, but one that is true to the character and mythos of Indiana Jones.
“We’ll have to go back to that original MacGuffin and take out the offending parts of it and we’ll still use that area of the supernatural do deal with it”.
Who are they afraid of offending? The American Family Values coalition? Those nutjobs are offended by everything. On the other hand, if you're afraid that you'll offend the fans by revealing that Indy is actually a robot powered by demonic bacteria, then yeah, you should take that part out.
I'll tell ya, it does not bode well when a filmmaker starts hedging his bets and making excuses a year before production even begins.
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I'll tell ya, it does not bode well when a filmmaker starts hedging his bets and making excuses a year before production even begins.
Agreed, I feel like he was taking a Jab, like his EGO is still bruised from his TPM 'bashings'.
DS
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They said, “Can’t we do it with a different McGuffin? Can’t we do this?” and I said “No”. So we pottered around with that for a couple of years. And then Harrison really wanted to do it and Steve said, “Okay”. I said, “We’ll have to go back to that original MacGuffin and take out the offending parts of it and we’ll still use that area of the supernatural do deal with it”.
So basically this is saying..."We could have done this thing at least two years ago if I would have budged even a little on the idea that the other two collaborators thought was bad, but I wouldn't. Now that Harrison is realizing that he's getting too old to wait much longer on Indy, he's more willing to accept my idea. So I win. Nyah Nyah Nyah."
What really makes it ridiculous is that a MacGuffin, by definition, should be completely interchangeable. Substitute jewels for the cash or a smoking monkey for a maltese falcon and it shouldn't matter.
I'm really starting to believe that history will look back on Lucas as a dumbass who managed to hit a wild winning streak for about 10 years in the late 70's/early 80's.
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I'm really starting to believe that history will look back on Lucas as a dumbass who managed to hit a wild winning streak for about 10 years in the late 70's/early 80's.
I think 10 years is a little generous.
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Can some explain to me what a "McGuffin" is. Maybe I'm just clueless but I don't understand.
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A MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or Maguffin) is a plot device that motivates the characters and advances the story, but has little other relevance to the story itself.
The Indy movies are full of them--the headpiece for the Staff of Ra, the Ark of the Covenant, the Sankara Stones, the Cross of Coronado, and the Holy Grail.
More at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macguffin)
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Who are they afraid of offending? The American Family Values coalition? Those nutjobs are offended by everything.
I have a feeling Indy might be going after some Muslim artifact this time around. Just the way he phrased it. That has the potential to piss off both Muslims and Christians. And it's something with which a writer could eliminate various heretical elements. But I could be totally off.
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Good point, I hadn't thought of that.
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Who are they afraid of offending? The American Family Values coalition? Those nutjobs are offended by everything.
I have a feeling Indy might be going after some Muslim artifact this time around. Just the way he phrased it. That has the potential to piss off both Muslims and Christians. And it's something with which a writer could eliminate various heretical elements. But I could be totally off.
I bet they scrub the scene where Indy works for a Dutch newspaper that creates editorial cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. I heard it was highly offensive.
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A MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or Maguffin) is a plot device that motivates the characters and advances the story, but has little other relevance to the story itself.
The Indy movies are full of them--the headpiece for the Staff of Ra, the Ark of the Covenant, the Sankara Stones, the Cross of Coronado, and the Holy Grail.
More at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macguffin)
See every artifact in POTC: DMC chest.
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Holy ****...anyone see HF on the Emmys? He could be the McGuffin-Indiana Jones and the Mummy of Indiana Jones.
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Would you say that General Greivous was a MacGuffin? I believe I would. . . .
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I think Kenner made the original Indy toys. Does Hasbro have the rights to Indy? If so maybe Hasbro might do a VOTC style line before this movie is released! :)
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From the Variety interview:
"Nor is Lucasfilm's exit from features instant or absolute. "Indiana Jones 4" is still in development. "Steve (Spielberg) and I are still working away, trying to come up with something we're happy with. Hopefully, in a short time, we will come to an agreement. Or something," Lucas said, without a great deal of enthusiasm."
I don't know about you guys, but if it's October 2006 and they 'are still working away, trying to to come up with something we're happy with', I don't see them starting production in mid-2007 as they previously stated in their Empireonline interview.
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I don't see it happening at all.
One of these days, somebody that works for GL will wake up some morning and tell him that HF is too old and washed up to reprise his role as Indy.
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Woah, woah... fighting words.
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I don't see it happening at all.
One of these days, somebody that works for GL will wake up some morning and tell him that HF is too old and washed up to reprise his role as Indy.
Are you kidding? Its George Lucas...the whole movie will be CGI...we just need for HF to be propped up in a chair so he can read his lines for the Animation...Sean Connery too..
As much as I would like to see an Indy IV come out, I almost hope they don't, just because I don't want them to "Phantom Menace" this trilogy too.
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Woah, woah... fighting words.
I love Indy as much as the next guy but did anyone see Firewall? Yeah, me neither.
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Somehow, I don't think the:
"You're not the man I knew ten years ago. "
"It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage. "
bit is going to work this time around :-\
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One of these days, somebody that works for GL will wake up some morning and tell him that HF is too old and washed up to reprise his role as Indy.
Screw that--I would hope that someone over at Lucasland would grow a pair big enough to tell George that he's too old and washed up to continue writing, producing, and directing films.
But, that hasn't happened in twenty, twenty-five years, so it's not gonna happen this time, either.
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Not til someone else takes over as "boss" of Lucasland.
LF (and all of it's sub companies) has to be one of the largest privately held companies in the world.
Don't ya think?
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Harrison Ford: I'm still 'fit' to play Indiana Jones (http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/20/people.harrisonford.ap/index.html)
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And once again the article mentions something about the script not being ready yet. LOL! It's just comical.
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I believe that Sean is still willing and I'd be delighted if he joined us,
Ford, 64, said at the inaugural Rome Film Festival on Friday that he was delighted to team up again with directors . . .
How delightful.
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'Indiana Jones' to Be Filmed Next Year (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/29/AR2006122901032.html)
By ALICIA CHANG
The Associated Press
Friday, December 29, 2006; 8:02 PM
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. -- George Lucas said Friday that filming of the long-awaited "Indiana Jones" movie will begin next year. Harrison Ford, who appeared in the three earlier flicks, the last one coming in 1989, is set to star again. Lucas said he and Steven Spielberg recently finalized the script for the film.
"It's going to be fantastic. It's going to be the best one yet," the 62-year-old filmmaker said during a break from preparing for his duties as grand marshal of Monday's Rose Parade.
Exact film locations have not been decided yet, but Lucas said part of the movie will be shot in Los Angeles.
The fourth chapter of the "Indiana Jones" saga, which will hit theaters in May 2008, has been in development for over a decade with several screenwriters taking a crack at the script, but it only recently gained momentum.
Lucas kept mum about the plot, but said that the latest action flick will be a "character piece" that will include "very interesting mysteries."
"I think it's going to be really cool," Lucas said.
At the inaugural Rome Film Festival in October, the 64-year-old Ford said he was excited to team up with Lucas and Spielberg again for the fourth "Indiana Jones" installment. Ford said he was "fit to continue" to play the title role despite his age.
Ford played Indiana Jones in 1981's "Raiders of the Lost Ark," 1984's "Temple of Doom" and 1989's "The Last Crusade."
Lucas praised Ford for breathing life into his character.
"Mostly it's the charm of Harrison that makes it work," he said.
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Yeah, I just read that article somewhere else. Well maybe something could possibly get done on this project...maybe.
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Production starts some time this year! Hopefully Lucasis better at re-visting Indy than SW.*cough*jarjar*cough*
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Out of all the writers, they went with Keopp, the worst one. My faith in this project being good is pretty low.
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Yah, kind of like when they went with the worst child actor audition I've ever seen for Anakin in ep1.
To quote C-3PO: "We're doomed."
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Spielberg supposedly offers Clint Eastwood a role (http://www.joblo.com/connery-vs-eastwood)
Probably pure bull****, but interesting to contemplate nonetheless.
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Indiana Jones 4: The Search For The Man With No Name! Waa Waa Waaaaaaaaaa.....
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from that link:
As I recall, Sean Connery has mentioned that he has no intention of reprising his role as Indy's father in INDIANA JONES IV. Though I may be recalling incorrectly as the many twists and turns the development of this movie has taken are enough to make anybody's head spin. Either way, there's now a report that his saying yes depends on how much he responds to the script. "At the moment there's nothing decided. I haven't got the script. Everything depends on the script," he apparently told UK Teletext recently.
yes. for a man of Connery's artistic integrity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amnpKeRivMI), everything must truly hinge on a a quality script (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU6X6ohNM3w)
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I've heard a lot of dumb things about Indy 4, but this one's gotta be the dumbest yet (at least for now):
Indiana Jones 4 update: Harrison Ford demands whip (http://movies.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1254481.php/Indiana_Jones_4_update_Harrison_Ford_demands_whip)
Harrison Ford has threatened to quit the new Indiana Jones movie, unless he gets to use a real whip.
The 64-year-old actor, who plays the daredevil archaeologist, was told the weapon would have to be computer generated because of new film safety rules.
Harrison branded the rule "ridiculous" and said he would pull out of the film if he couldn't wield his whip.
A source said: "The idea was to take away the risk element the whip carries.
"Safety laws have changed since the last film and movie makers have to be much more careful. Now they use computer graphics for any dangerous stuff."
There's a joke involving this guy in there somewhere; I'm just too dumb to figure it out:
(http://calbuth.free.fr/more/imgindex/q17/reuz/323sie.jpg)
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There's a joke involving this guy in there somewhere; I'm just too dumb to figure it out:
(http://calbuth.free.fr/more/imgindex/q17/reuz/323sie.jpg)
Indy: Throw me the whip!
Satipo: What whip?
Indy: The whip on the ground there!!
Satipo: You mean this bright green, nerf coated rope?
Indy: Aw hell...yeah, ok...whatever...
Satipo: Ok...but look out...when you get over the gap here, there's going to be a teamster with a silver ball on a stick and you're going to have to pretend he's a giant boulder chasing you down through that green hallway up there.
Yeah...I got nothing either.
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You know, I was thinking about this while I walked over to a meeting...what the hell is Ford talking about?
They always used a professional whipmaster as a double for anything more complicated than a basic swing anyway on the other Indy flicks. All Harrison ever worked with were the "hero" props...the pretty whips that coiled nicely on his belt. Nothing's changed...he'll still have a practical prop for all his scenes, and instead of a double coming on to do the more rigorous whipping, they'll cg it in.
Of course, I'm skeptical about a CG whip in terms of how it will look and would rather they stick to a practical prop myself, but we all know that Lucas will CG Indy's hat into every shot if he wants to.
Retard.
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Yeah...I got nothing either.
Hey, better than anything I could come up with.
Here's a pic that's just begging for some Photoshoppery:
(http://www.theraider.net/films/raiders/gallery/dvdscreenshots/048.jpg)
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Yeah...I got nothing either.
Hey, better than anything I could come up with.
Here's a pic that's just begging for some Photoshoppery:
(http://www.theraider.net/films/raiders/gallery/dvdscreenshots/048.jpg)
Indy 1981 ^^
Indy 2007 vv
(http://www.imperialholocron.com/photos/funnystuff/indyblue.jpg)
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Oh now THAT'S funny stuff!!
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(http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)
Good stuff, indeed. Somehow I get the feeling there's more truth in that than we know.
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He looks like the guy who played Doc Oc in the Spiderman sequel--at least that pic anyway..to me.
DS
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He looks like the guy who played Doc Oc in the Spiderman sequel--at least that pic anyway..to me.
DS
Huh. I don't see it, myself.
To me he looks more like the coked-up, "Sister Christian"-lovin' drug dealer from Boogie Nights - Rahad Jackson.
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That is the same guy, actually, Alfred Molina. :)
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Really, huh, thanks then Brian.
DS
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Word on the street is that we have a release date:
Thursday May 22, 2008
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Word on the street is that we have a release date:
Thursday May 22, 2008
I thought that was the word on GH, Mr. Pimp Daddy...... 8)
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you're right...I should have credited PL.
type A, know it all, bitch
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type A, know it all, bitch
Now you've forgotten to credit the DS ::)
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The whole anti-CGI whip thing is nonsense. Truthfully, if they did add the whip with CGI, and we weren't told, we probably wouldn't know. Just like the sabers in E1-E3, Ford would probably have the handle with a foot or two of whip, and the rest would be put in after production. Big deal.
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Rumor Of The Week (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31628)
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Aw HELL no.
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Why a son? Why not just include Short Round as the son-type character again?
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Because they are all a$$holes
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****. (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117960739.html?categoryid=1238&cs=1)
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****. (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117960739.html?categoryid=1238&cs=1)
That's not that bad. The likeness is kind of there. Then again this is all rumored so you never know...
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what i've learned about spoliers and rumors from the past, is essentially if ppl are saying it and your reading it. its true. hell i read episode two and three paragraphs describing three back in september '01.
but that was back then, nowadays it seems they are leaking info on purpose in an attempt to get ppl used to crappy plots and casting early on. i will not be seeing this film, no way. and quite frankly the casting of that guy cemments my hatred towards indy 4. this will be as bad as everyone says the prequels are, maybe worse.
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Huh. (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=40453)
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Who the hell knows for sure? Again...I will believe this movie is really being made when it actually comes out in theatres. Ha-ha! I would not be surprised if they try to introduce an Indy Jr.
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It's not as bad as what some idiot posted on Wikipedia that Natalie Portman would play Indy's daughter. Why sons & daughters??? Why not just include Indy's Dad again who was great in 'Crusade'. ::)
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It's not as bad as what some idiot posted on Wikipedia that Natalie Portman would play Indy's daughter.
That's not just the work of some random Wikidiot - that's a horrible fanboy rumor that's been floating around for at least a year or two now. I mean, some idiot had to come up with it initially, but it's nothing new.
Why sons & daughters???
Because cats & dogs would be a lot creepier???
I'm totally unfamiliar with this Shia LaBeouf goof, so I'm not as angry about his possible casting as many of the other internet nerds apparently are. But I already have incredibly low expectations regarding this movie, anyway--so the casting of some Transformers ******bag really isn't a big deal to me. It's like having a heart attack, and then stubbing your toe--sure, your toe hurts, but you're already in pretty bad shape to begin with, so the toe's kind of minor, in comparison, yeah?
But really, is it really that much of a stretch to believe that Indy sired a kid or two (or thirteen) as he was gallivanting around the world? He wasn't exactly a prude (nor were any of the women in the films). It's perfectly reasonable to think that he's got a kid or two running around somewhere, and it's a perfectly reasonable spin for Spielberg/Lucas to want to put on the franchise.
Why not just include Indy's Dad again who was great in 'Crusade'. ::)
Because he's (apparently) retired from acting? Because there's not much left for them to do with the character? His whole life revolved around the Holy Grail. He found the Holy Grail. There really isn't much more for Dad to do except to die and in turn, motivate Junior, and all that can easily happen off-screen, without Connery.
But who's to say that he's not gonna be in it? It sounds like it's still not entirely out of the question, and I wouldn't put it past Spielberg/Lucas to try to shoehorn him in there, somewhere, no matter how awkward. . .
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I predicted Chewbacca will make a guest appearance.
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I predicted Chewbacca will make a guest appearance.
C'mon, man, that's not fair. (http://www.theraider.net/films/raiders/gallery/dvdscreenshots/247.jpg)
Lucas would never stoop so low to sneak a cheesy Star Wars reference like that into one of the Indy flicks. (http://www.theraider.net/films/todoom/gallery/dvdscreenshots/073.jpg)
Give the guy a break, will ya?
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Yeah, never!!
(http://www.indianajones.com/raiders/bts/news/f20040113/img/20040113_2_bg.jpg)
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Yeah, never!!
Didn't read my post very carefully, did ya, Bill? :D
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Forrester retired...so the chances of my dream of the sequal to Finding Forrester: Finding Forrester Again are dead.
YTMDG :'(
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Yeah, never!!
Didn't read my post very carefully, did ya, Bill? :D
What, you weren't being sarcastic?
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What, you weren't being sarcastic?
I'm never sarcastic.
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Yeah, never!!
Didn't read my post very carefully, did ya, Bill? :D
What, you weren't being sarcastic?
Yeah, never (too)!!
(http://www.indianajones.com/temple/bts/news/img/20031104_1_sm.jpg)
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This is a little unexpected. . .
Blanchett on crusade to 'Indiana Jones 4' (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i880911115a741b41b10015d4dbb286e2)
By Tatiana Siegel
March 16, 2007
Cate Blanchett has signed on to star in the fourth installment of the "Indiana Jones" adventures.
Harrison Ford already has boarded the project, which will be produced by Lucasfilm and directed by Steven Spielberg.
With David Koepp's screenplay shrouded in secrecy, it is unclear what character Blanchett will play. However, sources said the Oscar-winning actress has landed a starring role.
Shooting will begin in June in Los Angeles and at undisclosed locations around the world. Paramount Pictures will release "Indy 4" day-and-date around the world on May 22, 2008, with a handful of territories opening the following day.
Frank Marshall is producing, with George Lucas and Kathleen Kennedy executive producing.
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Huh. That came out of nowhere.
Sounds good to me though. I just hope she isn't the new "Bond girl"/love interest. I mean, given the age difference (64 to 37) that's just a little creepy. Maybe she's playing Indy's daughter in the role long rumored for Natalie Portman? But I wouldn't put money on it.
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I just hope she isn't the new "Bond girl"/love interest. I mean, given the age difference (64 to 37) that's just a little creepy.
She's only four years younger than Ally McBeal, and Indiana Jones dating Ally McBeal isn't creepy, is it? (Oh, wait.)
She's a great actress, but I hope she's not "the love interest," either. That would be so obvious. I don't know if she'd work as "the daughter," either. I'd actually like to see her play "the bad guy," more than anything. That'd be more interesting.
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I predicted Chewbacca will make a guest appearance.
Indy: I know I've met you before, but where?I
Then a pop-up comes on screen watch "Star Wars- Clone Wars" coming later this year.
I just don't like the idea of Indy having kids in the movies. He had a daughter in the original endings of the Young Indy Chronicles. Mainly because we alerady ahve characters who take the sidekick type of character.
If there really is a kid I won't care as long as it's an adult or older teen. No Jake Loyds!... Please.
I'd like to see either Marion or Willie return as the girlfriend.
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Indy's sidekick is.. (http://joblo.com/indys-sidekick-is)
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I'm hoping we get coverage of the production like we did with the SW prequels.
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Am I the only one who doesn't want to see any characters return? Let's move on! I don't want to see Short Round in his 30s...anyway, Blanchett WILL be the love interest. Which doesn't mean that Jones will gte the girl. I have a feeling that Lucas and Speilbeg are going to play against steroetypes at every turn.
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...anyway, Blanchett WILL be the love interest.
You never know. In the last film, The Love Interest turned out to be one of The Bad Guys, in the end.
I have a feeling that Lucas and Speilbeg are going to play against steroetypes at every turn.
Lucas especially. He hates stereotypical characters.
(http://www.betterthanfudge.com/img/jarjar.jpg)
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I never see how Jar Jar is stereotypical of Jamaicans. I always thought he was stereotypical of dumb asses.
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This movie has the stench of Rocky Balboa and Rambo IV: Christian Soldiers Unite smeared all over it.
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I never see how Jar Jar is stereotypical of Jamaicans. I always thought he was stereotypical of dumb asses.
Fair enough. How 'bout these guys, then?
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/130/gunray1gg7.jpg)
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Yeah they seem asian. They're words don't even match with their mouths like i n Japaneese movies! :P
That whole Watto thing is bull-**** though, one of Lucas' friends is Jewish.
I'm craving for Indy to have a kid now for some reason. ???
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Indy's sidekick is.. (http://joblo.com/indys-sidekick-is)
Very cool casting! Ray Winstone was awesome as French in The Departed. I wonder if he's going to take on something of Denholm Elliot's role as a colleague of Indy? After all, he passed away in 1992, so there's definitely going to be no Marcus this time around.
It would definitely be cool to see John Rhys-Davies back in the mix, too.
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He was Sallah right? I'd like to see Sallah again.
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Lucas Talks "Indiana" Age & Action (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070405k.php)
George Lucas spoke with USA Today this week and of course the topic of the fourth "Indiana Jones" movie came up.
Of course the big questions is how will 64-year-old star Harrison Ford be convinicingly up for all the rough and tumble action?
"He's not running in any of the movies. He's either on a horse or driving a car or a motorcycle. And he'll play his age in this movie with what's appropriate. The chases are more suspenseful than speedy. Like the rolling ball in the first film -- it's not that he's running that fast, it's that there's a giant ball coming at him." says Lucas.
One tradition will be maintained though - "he will get beat up." Sean Connery has yet to sign on as Indiana's father, but Lucas says "we're still trying." He also won't go into detail about the 'top secret filming locations', but drops that one will be a waterfall.
As for the official title? It's being kept under wraps until the first trailer hits theaters around Thanksgiving.
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Thanksgivng!? D'OH!
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Didn't pretty much every one of the prequels follow that pattern, though?
Name announced sometime in the second half of the year, followed by the teaser trailer and poster around November, followed by the full trailer in the spring?
I expect that this one will be the exact same way.
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Why is everyone worried about Ford? I never seen 'Firewall' but it looks like an action film.
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If you pay attention in TPM, Nute and Rune speak more like a cheap version of Dracula, than like an asian.
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Yes, but their mouths don't match with the words like Japaneese movies do when they're dubbed here. :P
Nute sounds like an Asian. Rune dosen't that much.
Nute is still one of my favorite prequel characters though.
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It looks like the Shia LaBeouf casting rumors (http://www.starwars.com/community/news/films/news20070413.html) were true.
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Indy's sidekick is.. (http://joblo.com/indys-sidekick-is)
Niiiice!
Yeah they seem asian. They're words don't even match with their mouths like i n Japaneese movies! :P
The Neimoidian masks were mechanical. It's more a matter of incompetence matching robotics to dialogue than anything else.
It looks like the Shia LaBeouf casting rumors (http://www.starwars.com/community/news/films/news20070413.html) were true.
****. ::) If he's playing Indy's son, I'll ... I'll ... bitch and whine a lot and then fork over my eight bucks anyway. :'(
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8 Bucks must be nice.
Kevin
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Actually, I can get $5.25 at one theater here if I hit up a late-afternoon Super Matinee showing. Also, I'm too much of a cheapskate to buy soda, candy, etc., and that saves a ton.
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10 dollars. It's jumped twenty five cents every fiscal quarter this year. It's sad.
Kevin
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Considering that I have never, ever seen Shai Lebouf in ANYTHING AT ALL, I'll put my trust in Spielberg and Lucas. Speilbeg continues to make great, smart films, so I'll follow him anyhwre. While the prequels didn't live up to anyones expectations, the casting was excellent! Liam Neeson. Ewan McGregor. Christopher Lee. Even Hayden ended up being right for the part. Whining about this kid is just tired and childish. I think this movie will be great.
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Definitely can't wait for this... I wonder how much this will make? Think it will hit $300.00 million gross in the US?
Also is the fat Arab friend going to be in it?
:P
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No rumors yet, but he probably will be. I think a ton of past characters will return, a.l.a. ROTS.
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Considering that I have never, ever seen Shai Lebouf in ANYTHING AT ALL, I'll put my trust in Spielberg and Lucas. . . . .Whining about this kid is just tired and childish. I think this movie will be great.
I have seen Shai in plenty, and for quite a while too. His show on Disney when he was just a little kid, Even Stevens, was on a lot in my house with the kids. I have no qualms about him being in this flick. I used to watch Even Stevens with the kids specifically because of him....he was very talented...very, very funny...and this was at 10 or 11 years old, maybe?
I think people are overreacting because either they've only seen his lame part in I Robot - and should distinguish bad writing from bad acting - or because he's just a little overeposed right now. It'll be fine and he'll do a great job.
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He was Greatest Game Ever Played too. Great movie, of course I'm biased, I'm a golfer
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Looks like he'll take the role of Short Round as he has said he'll be the comedic side-kick.
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Found out an acquaintance is working on this movie. He's hating the experience. Apparently the production end is getting short changed. The script is under guard, literally. Their office has one copy that is kept in a locked room and if he wants to read it, he must be accompanied by two "guards."
He hasn't read it, but says the department heads who have say it's not very good.
All I can confirm plot wise is:
Marion's back
There's a Mayan Temple sequence and
Area 51
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Marion's back? That's AWESOME, I hope it's true. That would rock.
Mayan Temple? I'm up for that. Bring it on. Maybe that's how this one will start, with Indy excavating it.
Area 51? I hope that's not true... that would be very odd...
Hopefully the script is better than what you've heard Anton.
:P
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Mayan Temple sounds good ... I hope there are no aliens though.
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I did a bit of research, and not sure if this is legit or not, but supposedly Lucas had a script in 1995 for Indy 4, called Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars. I read some of it, and some of it was creative, but it really didn't jive at all with me.
Then there's another script called Indiana Jones and the Monkey King (Early Draft)
(a.k.a. Indiana Jones and the Garden of Life)
Both can be found HERE (http://www.theindyexperience.com/films/indy_4_scripts.php)
:P
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It would be awesome if Marion's back.
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Indiana Jones and the City of Gods (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32337)
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I wonder how much (maybe all of it) is dis-information.
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Probably less dis-information, more run-of-the-mill fanboy BS.
Think about it. It doesn't mention Ray Winstone, for one thing.
Not to mention it doesn't even claim to have a reputable source (i.e., my roommate's cousin's friend who makes Harrison's Starbucks runs) and, last but not least, the lack of capitalization and competent typing skills.
*yawn*
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I should have spelled that out - I was trying to describe it as fan-boy crap too. Everyone with a website needs news and what better news than "I have the real scoop on Indy 4". Even if you made it up completely, you generate lots of web traffic.
I'm not going to worry about it until I see the trailer and it sucks.
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I'm pretty confident that that is the real title. I think there's a new Darabount interview that confirms this. What I do know is that the title was intentionally left off of the production copy I mentioned earlier.
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So... is the City of Gods going to be Atlantis?
:P
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Teotihuacan, in Mexico, is generally considered the City of the Gods...whch kind of goes along with the Mayan temple mentioned above...anyway, that post about the person working on the fim sounds kind of lame...So, this guy is able to read the script, but won't do it because he has to put up with guards? Nonsense. I'd read it even if the guards were naked and sitting in my lap!
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Hmmm, Teotihuacan. Pyramids, Orion's belt, crystal skulls, Area 51. What more do you want? :D
(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0954734335.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_V44670349_SS500_.jpg)
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Teotihuacan, in Mexico, is generally considered the City of the Gods...whch kind of goes along with the Mayan temple mentioned above...anyway, that post about the person working on the fim sounds kind of lame...So, this guy is able to read the script, but won't do it because he has to put up with guards? Nonsense. I'd read it even if the guards were naked and sitting in my lap!
Oooook.....
:P
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Hmmm, Teotihuacan. Pyramids, Orion's belt, crystal skulls, Area 51. What more do you want? :D
Peace on Earth, good will towards men, and a Jet. A big fat, giant, jumbo 747 jet.
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A working Boba style blaster.
Really the rumors seem like this movie will be all out coolness, like ROTS. (except for the love scenes between Padme & Anakin :P )
Area 51? Lucas might put a Wookiee or a Gungan in the background just to piss fans off.
Update: Supposedly Sallah won't be in Indy IV.
http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=167
:'(
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Area 51? Lucas might put a Wookiee or a Gungan in the background just to piss fans off.
Good thought ... actually that would be pretty funny.
Update: Supposedly Sallah won't be in Indy IV.
http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=167
:'(
:'( He was always one of my favorite characters. "Younger cast" my ass. >:(
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If Sean Connery & whoever played Marion returns it won't be that much of a younger cast. ;)
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Not to mention Ford himself! Maybe they're just trying to skew the average younger. ;)
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A little Misc. Jones info, the Young Indy series will start being released on DVD "just" before Christmas.
http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_merchandise.php?id=173
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George Lucas Writes Sean Connery Into 'Indy 4' Script (http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/05/14/george_lucas_writes_sean_connery_into_in)
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He will be in Indy 4 eventually ... he's just playing hard to get.
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Lucas, 62, says, "We have a script with him in it. "If he doesn't do it, we'll do a quick rewrite."
"and by rewrite, I mean we'll make a Sean Connery CGI actor to portray him....I mean, come on....we're living in the 'digital age.'"
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I hope Connery does it, he was incredible in the last one.
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New Haven CT: Part of Chapel St. to become scene of car chase in the 1950s (http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18340968&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7576&rfi=6)
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Wow, some actual news.
More rumors:
- Behind "closed" doors, Lucas and Co. have been discussing the idea of a new TV show staring Indiana Jones...Junior. Seriously, if LaBeouf works out in the up-and-coming movie, there are some serious whispers going around Skywalker Ranch in that regard.
- If Sir Sean Connery does sign the contract we will see him reprise his role as Henry Jones, Sr...but not for long. His role is rumored to be fairly short, and some say that Henry will die before the first 15 minutes is up.
- The Young Indiana Jones DVD box sets...yup, sets either 3 or 5 boxes will be released...will give buyers exclusive content to the filming of Indy IV when the discs are inserted into a PC. It is not clear if each set will give something different or if it is going to be all the same. Expect these by Christmas 2007.
- Possible re-release of the original trilogy to theaters before May 2008. Lucas has dusted off the plans for the Special Editions and for the last several months ILM have been completing and polishing the look of the films. The only question remains is will Steven sign on to the idea (he killed it last time).
- Last, but not least, depending on the success of Indy IV, Lucas is seriously considering Indy V & VI. However, they may not star Harrison Ford in the lead. These films may be the continuing adventures of Indy, Jr... or "prequels".
I hate the idea of Henry Jones Sr. dieing. :'(
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- Behind "closed" doors, Lucas and Co. have been discussing the idea of a new TV show staring Indiana Jones...Junior. Seriously, if LaBeouf works out in the up-and-coming movie, there are some serious whispers going around Skywalker Ranch in that regard.
Argh!
- If Sir Sean Connery does sign the contract we will see him reprise his role as Henry Jones, Sr...but not for long. His role is rumored to be fairly short, and some say that Henry will die before the first 15 minutes is up.
:'(
- The Young Indiana Jones DVD box sets...yup, sets either 3 or 5 boxes will be released...will give buyers exclusive content to the filming of Indy IV when the discs are inserted into a PC. It is not clear if each set will give something different or if it is going to be all the same. Expect these by Christmas 2007.
CD-ROMs? How quaint!
- Possible re-release of the original trilogy to theaters before May 2008. Lucas has dusted off the plans for the Special Editions and for the last several months ILM have been completing and polishing the look of the films. The only question remains is will Steven sign on to the idea (he killed it last time).
Special Editions as in remastered, restored, etc. ... or as in CGIing in a bunch of crap it doesn't need? I liked the SW Special Edition, but for Indy I truly don't see the point. It's not like the spaceships and aliens need to be redone. :P
Theatrical rerelease sounds awesome though.
- Last, but not least, depending on the success of Indy IV, Lucas is seriously considering Indy V & VI. However, they may not star Harrison Ford in the lead. These films may be the continuing adventures of Indy, Jr... or "prequels".
Hmmmm .... too little information on which to comment yet.
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As long as it sticks to adding new deleted scenes & fixing things up along the lines of ESB, I'll be find with SEs. It's a good way to promote Indy 4.
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...anyway, Blanchett WILL be the love interest.
You never know. In the last film, The Love Interest turned out to be one of The Bad Guys, in the end.
Uh-oh. . . (http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=10413)
Cate Blanchett is the baddie in the film, and she’s been seen in the last week running around in a Soviet military uniform
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SPOILER BELOW:
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The news that Karen Allen would be back as Marion Ravenwood is accurate and truth be told, a few online sites had been sitting on this information for close to a month, no real shocker.
Shia LaBeouf is a teenage motorcycle riding greaser, true.
Shia LaBeouf is the son of Marion Ravenwood and Indiana Jones, true.
Indy doesn’t find out about being a daddy until after he and Shia have been teamed up for a while and during a pivotal scene, true.
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Most fans already guessed that stuff by now though.
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SPOILER BELOW:
Links are nice.
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Our buddies at Cool Toy Review are reporting (http://www.cooltoyreview.com/story/front/LEGO_Whips_Out_A_New_License_106361.asp) that LEGO will be making Indy 4 toys.
Now, personally, I couldn't care less about LEGO stuff, but this is good news--as it could possibly mean that other Indy toys are forthcoming. . .
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The Raider (http://www.theraider.net) is where I got my info from.
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Looks like Connery won't be back for Indy IV:
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070607/D8PK48FO2.html
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Looks like Connery won't be back for Indy IV:
Good. Like I mentioned before, there's nothing left for his character to do, anyway.
That, along with some other IJ4 casting news, was posted on the official IJ site today:
The Indiana Jones Cast Expands (http://www.indianajones.com/community/news/news20070607.html)
I guess the other real news is that British actor John Hurt has been added to the cast.
(http://au.i1.yimg.com/movies.aunz.yimg.com/2005/photos/main/7924.jpg)
He's best-known (to me, at least), as the guy with a slight tummy ache in Alien, but he's been in a ton of other films, too. He should make for a good bad guy, I'd think. . .
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Looks like Connery won't be back for Indy IV:
Good. Like I mentioned before, there's nothing left for his character to do, anyway.
well, he could die in the film
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I could roll with him dying, but only if his corpse disappears and his spirit speaks to Junior.
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Looks like Connery won't be back for Indy IV:
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070607/D8PK48FO2.html
Not even in voice only?
I could see moments where Indy is struggling and he hears Junior,junior in his ear.
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well, he could die in the film
Not anymore, he couldn't.
But yeah, that's the only thing left for his character to do--and that can be easily handled off-screen.
And it means that his last on-screen appearance was riding off into the sunset with Sallah and Brody at the end of Last Crusade--which is much more fitting for the character.
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Sean Connery handled that with a lot of class.
Plus Indy's dad can't die, because he's drunk from the Holy Grail.
Continuity, you dildos. Continuity.
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Sean Connery handled that with a lot of class.
Plus Indy's dad can't die, because he's drunk from the Holy Grail.
Continuity, you dildos. Continuity.
...But that's only if he doesn't cross the threshold. Once the threshold's been crossed the immortality thing goes away. Right? I haven't watched it in a few years.
(...and how did you guess my wife's pet name for me?)
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...But that's only if he doesn't cross the threshold. Once the threshold's been crossed the immortality thing goes away. Right? I haven't watched it in a few years.
That is correct.
That's how the old knight was able to live for so long, but the other knight (his brother?) died after he left the temple.
Sean Connery handled that with a lot of class.
He's also been handling a lot of ass lately. . . as in your mother's!
(http://www.chrisdiclerico.com/wp/wp-content/snl_jeopardy.jpg)
Suck on it, Trebek.
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Plus Indy's dad can't die, because he's drunk from the Holy Grail.
Continuity, you dildos. Continuity.
...But that's only if he doesn't cross the threshold. Once the threshold's been crossed the immortality thing goes away. Right? I haven't watched it in a few years.
That is correct.
That's how the old knight was able to live for so long, but the other knight (his brother?) died after he left the temple.
Plot comprehension, you dildo. Plot comprehension.
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Wasn't that awesome when Dr. Jones chased the flock of dildo's into that Messerschmidt?
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Plus Indy's dad can't die, because he's drunk from the Holy Grail.
Continuity, you dildos. Continuity.
...But that's only if he doesn't cross the threshold. Once the threshold's been crossed the immortality thing goes away. Right? I haven't watched it in a few years.
That is correct.
That's how the old knight was able to live for so long, but the other knight (his brother?) died after he left the temple.
Plot comprehension, you dildo. Plot comprehension.
dil-D'oh!
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Update: Supposedly Sallah won't be in Indy IV.
That's F'ed up. Sallah is THE best character after Indy. This fourth movie better not end up as some lame reimaging with a lot of special effects and no plot. Oh wait, it's Lucas...
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Oh wait, it's Lucas...
Yes.
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Hahahahaha...Lucas isn't a great writer! Wow. It's been like five minutes since I last heard that. Why do you guys even care about Indy/SW if you dislike what Lucas does these days?
Anyway, like I've said time and time again...Spielberg won't shoot a crap script. Lucas may pay the bills, but it's Spielberg's movie.
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Wow, I cant wait to see the Hasbro line!!!
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to toys too...
Y'know the real "X" factor to the success of IJ4 is not Lucas, it's Ford. He's the one that been walking through movies lately with a gloomy puss. If Spileberg can re-ignite Ford's playful side, this film will be huge. I miss the Ford from years past...
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Latest from the rumor mill: Jim Broadbent in the film? John Hurt as Al Einstein? (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33043)
Whatever else this film may turn into, they're putting together one hell of a cast.
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I agree that the casting is very good...well at the names are quite impressive. Granted Connery would have been nice to see to. I hope it comes off good.
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I'm real happy about Hasbro getting the rights. Well, as long as the figures are 3 3/4. ;D
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Why do you guys even care about Indy/SW if you dislike what Lucas does these days?
Because there's nothing that says that you have to stop being interested in or discussing an artist just because you don't care for their most-recent work.
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Anyway, fantastic news on the toy license. I'm a little concerned that Hasbro will focus mostly on the new movie, and not as much on the older flicks, but I saw a press release from LEGO, and it looks like they're doing a few sets based on Raiders and Crusade before the new movie comes out, so hopefully Hasbro will follow along.
(And Hasbro would have to be crazy to deviate from the 3 3/4" style, given how tied-in the Indy and SW franchises have been throughout the years.)
I'm guessing we'll learn more at SDCC. . .
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old indy (http://www.indianajones.com/community/news/news20070621.html)
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that had to be a lot of fun...
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As much as I've not wanted this movie to happen, I gotta admit--it's pretty ******' cool seeing Ford in that getup again.
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This is awesome. I can't help smiling. Hopefully more pics are on the way.
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Noice, noice.
I was hoping to see him rockin' a beard though ... or switch up the costume a small amount instead of throwing him in the exact same outfit. It's not like he didn't change clothes for 15-20 years....
(http://www.theraider.net/films/young_indy/gallery/makingof/mo_37.jpg)
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Well that actually looks much much better than the last pic. Feeling better already.
Nevermind then. :-[
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Well that actually looks much much better than the last pic. Feeling better already.
This is from an episode of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles - shot fourteen years ago:
(http://www.theraider.net/films/young_indy/gallery/makingof/mo_37.jpg)
This is from the set of the new movie, shot this week:
(http://www.indianajones.com/community/news/img/20070621_bg.jpg)
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Can't remember where I read it, but it said that Ford might have a beard in the new film. It would be interesting if he looked shaggy and dufferish in the beginning (like his Dad) but when he gets called to adventure, he busts out the old gear and gets a shave and haircut!
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As much as I've not wanted this movie to happen, I gotta admit--it's pretty ******' cool seeing Ford in that getup again.
I'm right there with you. :-X
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There's a video of the first day of shooting up at The Indy Site (http://www.indianajones.com).
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Maybe it's the lack of a SW film, but the TV wishes have really got me going there... Either way, I'm simply fired up about this. One last ride with Indy is something I'm really getting pumped for, especially like Matt said with the photo of him and seeing him in the get-up again... Damn. I can't wait! I think the hopes (and fears) of a new toy line by Hasbro have me a little on the edge of my seat too. If there's a license out there that I think could have some really high potential to it, it's Indiana Jones.
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I agree with Jesse and Matt, seeing that pic of Ford in the Jones get-up last week really was cool. I'm getting pretty pumped for this movie as well, and I hope it lives up to expectations. Plus, I really hope that the toyline from Hasbro is nicely done. I remember modifying my Han Solo figures as a kid to have an Indy action figure (don't remember seeing the vintage toy line as a kid). I just hope they do it up "Star Wars style" in the same scale/articulation/etc. It would be pretty cool to have Star Wars, Indy, and even the new 25th Joes all in the same scale.
Its nice to see that they are at least having a few updates on the official Indiana Jones website like the pic last week and now this video. It might not be much, but its nice to at least have some sort of peek into the movie. Hopefully we'll see more soon, definitely looking forward to it.
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Despite official statements to the contrary, I found out that some Myan sets have been built on the Universal lot here in LA.
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My bad for not contextualizing the pic I posted. Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcwEIs5_z7E) the clip from Young Indy. Evenflow, sorry to get your hopes up, but thanks for completely proving my point for me that the 14-year-old pic looks way more interesting.
Can't remember where I read it, but it said that Ford might have a beard in the new film. It would be interesting if he looked shaggy and dufferish in the beginning (like his Dad) but when he gets called to adventure, he busts out the old gear and gets a shave and haircut!
That would be awesome....
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/ValinKenobi/Forums/oldindy_1.jpg) (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/ValinKenobi/Forums/oldindy_2.jpg)
Dang, I impress even myself sometimes.
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As cool as that last pic of Indy was, this one, well, isn't:
(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8356/indianajonesshootpa1.jpg)
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Hopefully that will only show up in the deleted scenes...
The shot of him with the classic hat looks awesome though. I can't help but get excited about the potential of this movie.
As for a toy line, I agree that it has potential, but nothing like Star Wars does. There's a lot of figures from the old films that I'd personally buy, but I don't know how much appeal it will have compared to something in a galaxy far, far away. There's just not the same type of variety... I think it would be even a higher percentage of collectors getting these than the percentage of the market there is for Star Wars... I just can't see kids getting nearly as excited. Indy is awesome, but lacks the iconic villians... No Darth Vader or Boba Fett appeal. Really it's almost entirely good guys. Most people probably can't even name the villians from the Indy films.
:P
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Hopefully that will only show up in the deleted scenes...
The shot of him with the classic hat looks awesome though. I can't help but get excited about the potential of this movie.
As for a toy line, I agree that it has potential, but nothing like Star Wars does. There's a lot of figures from the old films that I'd personally buy, but I don't know how much appeal it will have compared to something in a galaxy far, far away. There's just not the same type of variety... I think it would be even a higher percentage of collectors getting these than the percentage of the market there is for Star Wars... I just can't see kids getting nearly as excited. Indy is awesome, but lacks the iconic villians... No Darth Vader or Boba Fett appeal. Really it's almost entirely good guys. Most people probably can't even name the villians from the Indy films.
:P
NAZI! thats the only villians i can think of :P
i am actually pretty excited for this movie. i have always loved the Indy movies. the shot of him with his hat is awsome...not so much with the biker shot lol
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The only ones I can name are Toht, Belloq, Elsa & Hitler. :P
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The Indy toys never did well back in the day, even right after Raiders came out, and there were hardly any at all for Temple of Doom, and I can't remember anybody doing anything, toy-wise, for Last Crusade.
So it's befuddling to me that all these companies are jumping back into the license like they are. LEGO, Hasbro, Burger King. . . All making toys, apparently aimed at kids, based on a twenty-five year old property, that never did all that well in the way of merchandise, and featuring a sixty-five year old man in the latest installment?
I mean, it's cool and all, as I'm really looking forward to seeing everything--especially Hasbro's stuff--but if it didn't work back then, why would it now?
I thought we'd see more higher-end type collectibles, aimed at the older collectors who grew up with the films in the eighties. Sideshow, Gentle Giant, Master Replicas (well, maybe not Master Replicas, anymore), that type of stuff. But there's really nothing high-end on the horizon at all, aside from that $1500 statue from Kotobukkake or whoever it is.
Very strange deal to me.
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My theory goes like this...
Then = kid driven markets...
Now = Collector driven markets...
The only IJ3 stuff I recall was some Micro Machine items, I think, but yeah very little marketing. Still the Raiders line was up against G.I. Joe, the bain of Star Wars toys at the time, so I think Indy just appealed to the older audience then more than a film like Star Wars, and subsequently kids didn't support it much. Flash forward to now though, and kids obviously are important but at the same time entire lines of toys thrive off adults too... I think as much as there's that "kid" push going on, I think the rationale is that they know adults are going to go ape**** for IJ stuff, and that adults can sustain the basis for a marketing blitz while they hope kids will just jump in and jump out like usual.
Those are my thoughts on it all anyway. They know there's been a demand, they know there's some weird tie to Star Wars and collectors that drives them to buy Indy ****, so they think it's worth the gamble to see if they can pull off something similar if not a little shorter lifespan (most likely) to it.
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The only ones I can name are Toht, Belloq, Elsa & Hitler. :P
mola ram.
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I just think movie toys in general have sucked major league ass the last 2-3 years (outside obviously Ep3). For the most part all of the Super Hero stuff has majorly tanked (Spidey, Fantastic Four, Superman and Batman) there is Pirates stuff every where not selling, the Harry Potter toys for 3 and 4 were non existant based on poor sales for 3 and 4. I think the days of the huge movie tie in mass roll outs are numbered. I really can't see a huge line of Indy toys as much and as cool as we all hope there will be.
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The only IJ3 stuff I recall was some Micro Machine items, I think. . .
I believe the MM toys were released in the early-/mid-nineties. '93 or '94, maybe. I was too cool to be into toys in '89--but I've kept up with the Indy stuff since then, and I don't remember ever seeing any Last Crusade-specific toys.
Still the Raiders line was up against G.I. Joe, the bain of Star Wars toys at the time. . .
All three were Kenner lines, right? The Indy line started in '82, I think it was, right alongside the Joe launch, and right as Kenner was gearing up for Jedi, so no doubt Indy had an uphill battle from the beginning. And that's just for peg-/shelf-space. Not even considering that it, as has been mentioned, wasn't as toy-friendly a license as SW (or Joe).
. . .so I think Indy just appealed to the older audience then more than a film like Star Wars, and subsequently kids didn't support it much. Flash forward to now though, and kids obviously are important but at the same time entire lines of toys thrive off adults too... I think as much as there's that "kid" push going on, I think the rationale is that they know adults are going to go ape**** for IJ stuff, and that adults can sustain the basis for a marketing blitz while they hope kids will just jump in and jump out like usual.
But if yesterday's kids weren't into Indy, why would today's adults be?
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I really can't see a huge line of Indy toys as much and as cool as we all hope there will be.
As long as we get a 3 3/4", well-articulated, nicely-accessoried Indy, I don't give a **** what happens with the rest of the toys. I mean, I hope they're good, don't get me wrong, but I just want a really nice Indy, that's all. Everything else will be gravy.
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I really can't see a huge line of Indy toys as much and as cool as we all hope there will be.
As long as we get a 3 3/4", well-articulated, nicely-accessoried Indy, I don't give a **** what happens with the rest of the toys. I mean, I hope they're good, don't get me wrong, but I just want a really nice Indy, that's all. Everything else will be gravy.
Agreed...and I'd love Indy Variants and Major characters from the original 3 but I'd be happy with a SA Classic Indy
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There was a terrible line that came out in Spain i believe for Indy 3. It was just a bunch of different Indy's, but i believe the cards said last crusade.
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I agree with what Matt and Scott have mentioned, if we got a really nicely done, SA Indy figure - in 3 3/4" scale - I'd be a pretty happy camper. If we get other characters from all four movies, that's great too, and I'm excited that Hasbro's doing a line - but Indy alone would be great.
I was kind of surprised when I heard there was going to be an IJ line as well, since I don't remember seeing much in the past. I thought there was an outside chance of some sort of "exclusive" Indy figure, basically sold under the SW line or something (SWShop exclusive or something). Jesse brings up a good point though about this being such a collector's market anymore. There are a lot of lines out there now that are basically just supported by collectors, despite what toy companies want to say. Sure, things like the Spidey, Pirates, and most movie lines are primarily kiddos with some collectors, but there's a lot of "collector-only" lines out there now too. Anyways, that's been talked about to death already, but the collector does make up a good part of the market these days.
I'm really looking forward to the potential Indy line though, but I hope its done to its potential - and in the 3 3/4" scale. I'm thinking VTSC quality figures and a nice, well-rounded line. Hasbro sees the connection with Star Wars (and Star Wars fans), so hopefully they don't pull some 5" scale, action-feature laden crap with the line - but I wouldn't put it past that either.
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Still the Raiders line was up against G.I. Joe, the bain of Star Wars toys at the time. . .
All three were Kenner lines, right?
Technically, GI Joe was Hasbro in the 80s and they hadn't mergered with Kenner yet at that point. In 1984, Hasbro bought Milton Bradley and Playskool to become the largest Toy Company in the USA. They didn't buy Kenner until 1991 when they acquired Tonka who was holding the Kenner brand.
But if yesterday's kids weren't into Indy, why would today's adults be?
I think the biggest reason that the Indy toys did not sell well was Kenner's usual production delay. Similar to when they got a late start on SW stuff, the Indy toys did not hit stores until '82-83, even though Raiders came out in '81.
You can find a lot of history of the original Indy line at the Official Indy site (http://www.indianajones.com/collecting/vintage/f20060210/index.html). It was an interesting article then and it still holds well today. Lots of history and reasons why the first Indy line tanked with kids compared to the SW Stuff. And, just to add some fuel for the debate, it's interesting to see what LFL had to say about indy toys just over a year ago...
"Roffman suggests that should another Indy film be released, a new toy line would definitely be considered. "I'm not sure it would necessarily be 3.75" action figures, but something that's more in line with what we've done with [Star Wars] Unleashed -- a larger scale, more detailed action figure."
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"Roffman suggests that should another Indy film be released, a new toy line would definitely be considered. "I'm not sure it would necessarily be 3.75" action figures, but something that's more in line with what we've done with [Star Wars] Unleashed -- a larger scale, more detailed action figure."
Well boo on that. The Unleashed line (wait, the big unleashed or the little unleashed?) is nice enough, but it's really not what I'd like to see. I think I'd buy and be ok with a single classic ROTLA Indy in 8" scale with whip but I'd really, really much prefer a 3.75" line that could go for several waves. Hopefully if they did the line, they'd be sharp enough to mix in the OT figures right away into assortments. I'd be fearful that the IJ4 toys didn't sell initially too well, probably because of inundation of the market with a limited number of characters, and subsequent waves would be cancelled :-\ Mixing ROTLA and other original figures in right from the start would probably have the converse effect of creating demand for figures from IJ4 that were yet to be released.
Hasbro sees the connection with Star Wars (and Star Wars fans), so hopefully they don't pull some 5" scale, action-feature laden crap with the line - but I wouldn't put it past that either.
Despite my continuing mantra in the ML thread, I'd not be bothered by a 5" scale here, as long as that's the scale they stuck with. It's definitely not my preferred scale as I think your point about the association with Star Wars figures should, should be obvious but I'd not be shocked to see them screw it up. Perhaps it's unfair to think that way, so I'll try and remain cautiously optimistic while being cynically realistic too.
I just think movie toys in general have sucked major league ass the last 2-3 years (outside obviously Ep3). For the most part all of the Super Hero stuff has majorly tanked (Spidey, Fantastic Four, Superman and Batman) there is Pirates stuff every where not selling, the Harry Potter toys for 3 and 4 were non existant based on poor sales for 3 and 4. I think the days of the huge movie tie in mass roll outs are numbered. I really can't see a huge line of Indy toys as much and as cool as we all hope there will be.
I agree and hope you're right about the mass roll outs being scarce going forward. I wonder though if Transformers won't meddle with the fairly obvious trend of crappy sales, reinstigating some belief that the toys sell. Up here Transformers are selling ok, not great, but Canada isn't really the market that matters anyway.
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Technically, GI Joe was Hasbro in the 80s and they hadn't mergered with Kenner yet at that point. In 1984, Hasbro bought Milton Bradley and Playskool to become the largest Toy Company in the USA. They didn't buy Kenner until 1991 when they acquired Tonka who was holding the Kenner brand.
Ah. Thanks. I was never into Joes at all, and I'd always just assumed that it was a Kenner product all along.
I think the biggest reason that the Indy toys did not sell well was Kenner's usual production delay. Similar to when they got a late start on SW stuff, the Indy toys did not hit stores until '82-83, even though Raiders came out in '81.
I don't know--that delay didn't seem to hurt Star Wars at all. I think there's a different reason, mentioned in that article (thanks for that, by the way--good read):
What may not have been fully understood at the time, however, was that Indiana Jones was a different property than Star Wars, one that didn't possess the same inherent play values unique to the Star Wars line. When the Indiana Jones toys were finally released, they received a lukewarm response from consumers.
"I don't think it was aspirational for kids," continues Roffman. "There are tons of movies that have conflicts between good guys and bad guys -- it's the essence of the action genre -- but 99% of them don't translate at all to toys because they don't have that inspirational quality. They don't fire the imagination and create a situation, for boys in particular, who are interested in playing out that conflict."
Back to Jeff:
And, just to add some fuel for the debate, it's interesting to see what LFL had to say about indy toys just over a year ago...
"Roffman suggests that should another Indy film be released, a new toy line would definitely be considered. "I'm not sure it would necessarily be 3.75" action figures, but something that's more in line with what we've done with [Star Wars] Unleashed -- a larger scale, more detailed action figure."
I can see them doing an Unleashed-type line for Indy, but I still think they'd be crazy to ignore the 3 3/4" scale, given the success they've had with that scale for Star Wars, and how closely the two properties are intertwined. . .
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Quote from: OCB on July 5, 2007, 10:46 PM
I just think movie toys in general have sucked major league ass the last 2-3 years (outside obviously Ep3). For the most part all of the Super Hero stuff has majorly tanked (Spidey, Fantastic Four, Superman and Batman) there is Pirates stuff every where not selling, the Harry Potter toys for 3 and 4 were non existant based on poor sales for 3 and 4. I think the days of the huge movie tie in mass roll outs are numbered. I really can't see a huge line of Indy toys as much and as cool as we all hope there will be.
Quote from: Morgbug on July 5, 2007, 9:38 AM
I agree and hope you're right about the mass roll outs being scarce going forward. I wonder though if Transformers won't meddle with the fairly obvious trend of crappy sales, reinstigating some belief that the toys sell. Up here Transformers are selling ok, not great, but Canada isn't really the market that matters anyway.
I'm with you guys. I'd like to see the big movie roll outs chill a little bit too. I can't say I've never bought movie product outside of Star Wars, but I'd say the lines are few and far between that have had much/any success aside from Star Wars. I've seen lots of product on the pegs for all of the Marvel movie lines (ToyBiz and Hasbro), a ton of Superman Return stuff that I could still find, and - to a lesser extent - the Batman Begins stuff (that line seemed a little more restrained in its release around here). Like Scott mentioned, there is Pirates stuff everywhere here too. It seemed to sell pretty well last summer, but this year it doesn't seem to be the same story. I can see still having movie product out there, but a more restrained lineup would be welcome. Its been discussed in the Marvel thread, but I think having a "Legends" type wave of figures for the Marvel movies would work out well. Sure, have some webshooters and role play type stuff for the kiddos, but I don't know that we necessarily need entire aisles or half aisles dedicated to movie lines anymore. Star Wars was really the only one that could support that very well it seems. I will second the notion that Transformers does seem to be picking up here now that the movie is out, and could be one that will see some decent success as well. But, then again, the movie is based on the toyline in the first place, so they should go hand in hand.
I think an Indy line could do ok, but it would have to be more restrained too. A small section in the store would be good enough, with a few assortments of figures from all of the movies. I can see some role play items or something too for the kiddos (although I'd be interested in how they make a "safe" bullwhip :P), but I cringe at the thought of bump 'n' go Indy. Otherwise, no matter what the movie line, it seems to eventually sit and get clearanced. Star Wars is most often the exception, at least looking at ROTS (the previous two movies not so much), as they seemed to steadily sell in 2005 no matter how many figures were on the pegs (with a few pegwarming exceptions). I was surprised how often I would see piles of figures thinking "these will be here forever" only to see them slowly sell through. It even continues to some extent in non-movie years (this year's TAC in particular), although the later TSC figures really seem to sit here. I don't know if anyone is buying those now, outside of clones.
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Given what Hasbro did with the Spiderman license and Transformers this year, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they supplement the line with characters from the original films too. It would probably be a good idea. I wonder how many figures they really could make? Probably anywhere from 5-10 figures from each film? Or even more?
- Indy (several outfits)
- Dr. Jones Sr.
- Sallah (Raiders, TLC)
- Brody (Raiders, TLC)
- Marian
- Wily
- Elsa
- Belloch
- Donovan
- Toht
- Holy Grail Knight
- Cairo swordsman
- Cairo spy w/ monkey
- Nazi muscle man
- Pankot Palace Minister
- Pankot Palace army builders
- Nazi army builders
- Arab army builders
- etc.
Heck, I guess there is quite a bit they actually could do.
I'd probably get just about any figure that they actually did make, as long as it's 3-3/4" scale and is Star Wars-esque in terms of quality.
:P
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The only ones I can name are Toht, Belloq, Elsa & Hitler. :P
mola ram.
Given what Hasbro did with the Spiderman license and Transformers this year, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they supplement the line with characters from the original films too. It would probably be a good idea. I wonder how many figures they really could make? Probably anywhere from 5-10 figures from each film? Or even more?
- Indy (several outfits)
- Dr. Jones Sr.
- Sallah (Raiders, TLC)
- Brody (Raiders, TLC)
- Marian
- Wily
- Elsa
- Belloch
- Donovan
- Toht
- Holy Grail Knight
- Cairo swordsman
- Cairo spy w/ monkey
- Nazi muscle man
- Pankot Palace Minister
- Pankot Palace army builders
- Nazi army builders
- Arab army builders
- etc.
Heck, I guess there is quite a bit they actually could do.
I'd probably get just about any figure that they actually did make, as long as it's 3-3/4" scale and is Star Wars-esque in terms of quality.
:P
WTF? How come Mola Ram get's NO love....You DARE NOT ignore THE MOLA (http://www.theraider.net/films/todoom/multimedia/sounds/dare.wav)!
(http://www.indyjones.it/tempiogal/mola.jpg)
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WTF? How come Mola Ram get's NO love....You DARE NOT ignore THE MOLA (http://www.theraider.net/films/todoom/multimedia/sounds/dare.wav)!
No ******* doubt. He's easily the most visually-appealing villian in the entire series, and would certainly make for a more-interesting action figure than a couple of middle-aged white guys.
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I never knew the guy's name until this thread. I thought all you wanted was an Indy anyway.
I'd buy Mola Ram though. He does look awesome. He could even come with a few hearts and "magic rocks."
:P
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I never knew the guy's name until this thread. I thought all you wanted was an Indy anyway.
I said that he'd make for a more-interesting action figure, that's all.
Belloq's my favorite Indy villian, so I'd take him before Mola Ram or any of the others.
:P
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Here's my #2 wish
(http://www.londonist.com/attachments/sizemore/toht.jpg)
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Since this has been drifting towards a toy-ish thread I thought I'd post Dan/evenflow's wishlist of toys:
1. Indy w/ gun, pouch, whip, and Gold Idle
2. Indy in German uniform
3. Indy w/ Knife no jacket
4. Indy w/ removable hat & grail
5. Henry Jones w/ removable hat & grail diary
6. Young Indiana w/ cross and dog
7. Marion Ravenwood w/ medallion
8. Belloq w/ map
9. Belloq in Ceremonial Gown
10. Sallah w/ torch
11. German soldier w/ gun
12. German Mechanic w/ wrench
13. German General w/ baton
14. Dr. Shnieder w/ false grail
15. Marcus Brody
16. Knight w/ armor & sword
17. Mola Rom w/ removable head gear
18. Short Round w/ removable cap
19. Willie in gold/red dress w/ diamond & antedote
20. Giant Thugee
21. Cairo Swordsman w/ sword
22. Toht w/ gun & coat
23. Donalvin w/ grail tablit
24. Casim w/ gun (brotherhood guy)
Beast assortment:
25. Sallah w/ red hat with Camel
26. Indy w/ white horse
27. Henry w/ bandana with brown horse
Playsets:
28. Well of Souls w/ snakes, ark, & Cermonial Indy
29. Streets of Cairo w/ Arab Spy & monkey
30. Underground Venice tomb w/ coffins, skeletons, second marking(shield), & rats
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Since this has been drifting towards a toy-ish thread...
Yeah, technically all this talk should be in the "Other Toys" thread, but I'll let one of the other nerds mods clean that up....
On the toy note, Hasbro dropped some Indy hints in our latest Q&A session (http://www.jedidefender.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1183756854,41433,):
3. OK, last time we asked, you couldn't say. But, now that the cat is out of the bag thanks to the LFL press release, what can you tell us about your upcoming Indiana Jones IV toy line? Scale? Vehicles? Playsets? New and old movies? Will we see a preview at Comic Con? Will we have to wait until Toy Fair '08 for our first glance? (as you can tell, we're all pretty stoked about Indy toys ;))
**We are glad to hear it, because we are stoked too! While we will be sneak-previewing some figures at Comic Con International in San Diego, we have to keep the details under wraps for now. We can divulge that there are some very familiar scales, as well as a few surprises in the line. Suffice to say that we have top men working on it. The same top men that have been bringing you the Star Wars line, so there should be a lot of consistency in approach.
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I'll also add this rumor/nugget -
I talked with my brother today, who had just talked to a friend of his in New Haven (where they are shooting scenes right now). His friend swears a few of the LFL guys on the set this AM were playing with Indy Galactic Heroes style figures - Indy Vs Cairo Swordsman and Indy Vs Belloq. :o
I have no proof/photos but considering how well I know the source, I am inclined to believe it... :)
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Friggin' sweet!
I'm really excited about this line! ;D
I bet that we won't see any Indy 4 figures at CIV, but we'll see a couple from Raiders, Temple & Crusade.
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But if yesterday's kids weren't into Indy, why would today's adults be?
Because while Indy didn't have "kid support" back in the good ole days, the movie still did phenomenally well... I guess my point is, it's an apples and oranges situation with then and now. Then, kids drove ALL toy lines. Now, adults drive toy lines completely in some cases, and 50% in other cases, and not at all in some cases... A line like an IJ line could have fantastic adult support because people see it and say, "Hey, I love Indiana Jones, and I love toys, so I'll buy that", while kids may or may not jump on an IJ line...
But back in the 80's though, kids drove the line, kids were more into X line than IJ toys, and didn't back it... Now though, adults factor in and may drive the line for a time, while Hasbro just banks on kids becoming "hooked" to some extent. Or so the idea goes anyway. I got my IJ figures back then to accessorize my GI Joe figures, or give them a cool environment to play in... Now though, I'll be ecstatic to buy 3.75" Indy figures that are well accessorized and articulated... I'll support that. Then though, I only picked up things for the coat, the gun... usually on clearance/sale as I recall. It's the same reason I picked up SW figures in 1983/84. Han's coat and pistol went right to Airborne because I got Han for $.99 at Gold Circle and Airborne needed some cool **** to fight in the cold weather (namely a pistol and a nifty coat).
That's my theory though, based on really nothing more than I said... I wasn't into Indy figures as a kid, much more than for what they came with, but today I have incredibly fond memories of the films and anxiously would support a toy line for it, "just because". I guess the same reason I buy SW crap and keep getting this urge to buy 25th Anniversary GI Joes too... I look back on what I enjoyed as a kid and now I want toys of it, for some sick reason.
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"...for some sick reason." ;D
I feel the same way. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about the Joe stuff, but a part of me wants to get a few Joes, and a ton of Cobra troops and set them up in a diorama. I'm going to try and avoid that though.
As for Indy toys, it's sounding more and more like these are going to be something that I will not be able to pass on. I wasn't into Indy at all as a kid, but now it's so intertwined with Star Wars in my mind, that I'm probably hooked before they even show the bait.
:P
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Well there is a problem with there just being a lot of middle-aged white men as the bad guys. Or otherwise bland looking characters. Personally I would love to have a Sean Connery Dr. Jones action figure. However, kids would just laugh at those on the pegs. Same w/ Bellog. No matter what outfit you dress him in. Same with Toht. Then you got Marion and Elsa and Kate Capshaw's character (can't remember her name in the film at the moment. I would buy all those but kids won't. I can't see Sallah or the German Mechanic flying off the pegs. Mola Ram would probably do okay. I doubt Short Round would do that well either.
But old fart collectors like me would probably snatch up at least one of whatever comes out. What I would really be interested in is some playsets like first scene in the movie. The Well of the Souls. Stuff like that.
Then of course whatever comes out of the new movie. I don't know. I am quite interested to see what they come up with though. Then go from there.
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Wonder if the Kenner molds of the original sets exist yet or if they were disposed of? Probably the latter but I'd rebuy those for at least the RotLA stuff.
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The problem with IJ toys back in the 80's was that the film hit in summer 81, but I don't think that the figures came out until fall 82! I think, I may be wrong. I do know that it was a very, very long time, and the initial thrust of Raiders was over, and Temple of Doom was two years away...
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The INDIANA JONES 4 rumor mill takes another turn... (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33254)
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I love the idea and hope it actually turns out to be true.
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^ Ditto to that. It makes sense and would definitely help IJ4 gel with the "main" trilogy rather than being a tacked-on coda ... that is, as long as it doesn't end up an empty retread of Raiders.
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I am officially stepping out of the loop on Indy news. If that rumor proves to be true, I'll be disappointed that it wasn't a surprise. If it proves to be false, I'll be disappointed that they didn't follow such a cool path.
I'm going into this blind.
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Here's a bit of an article from the IJ Ofiicial Site. It's from February 2006...
"When Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was released in 1989, it came as no surprise that toys were not produced. "I think we learned our lesson at that point," confesses Roffman. "Number one, we didn't think we could really get a toy company interested, and two, it didn't make any sense for toys. It was a different time period than today. I think you could do toys today based on Indiana Jones, not so much because it appeals to classic boys' play patterns, but because there's such a collector market. If you did really nice figures, and vehicles too, I think there's a market that would buy them."
Roffman suggests that should another Indy film be released, a new toy line would definitely be considered. "I'm not sure it would necessarily be 3.75" action figures, but something that's more in line with what we've done with [Star Wars] Unleashed -- a larger scale, more detailed action figure."
I'm betting we get the 3.75 ine with a vehicle or two, and some unleashed size pieces.
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Here's a bit of an article from the IJ Ofiicial Site. It's from February 2006...
Might want to check back a few pages for the discussion on that article... :)
You can find a lot of history of the original Indy line at the Official Indy site (http://www.indianajones.com/collecting/vintage/f20060210/index.html). It was an interesting article then and it still holds well today. Lots of history and reasons why the first Indy line tanked with kids compared to the SW Stuff. And, just to add some fuel for the debate, it's interesting to see what LFL had to say about indy toys just over a year ago...
"Roffman suggests that should another Indy film be released, a new toy line would definitely be considered. "I'm not sure it would necessarily be 3.75" action figures, but something that's more in line with what we've done with [Star Wars] Unleashed -- a larger scale, more detailed action figure."
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Ooops...anyway, it occured to me that the product that is being shown at Comicon might all be "Classic Indy" stuff. Lego is launching their line with sets from the origianl films, and then will refresh when the new film hits. I'm wondering if Hasbro will do the same. The only reason being is that, as far as we know, principle production has been only happeing for a few weeks, and there is now way Hasbro would have approved prototypes from the new film to be shown.
I'm surprised at how excited I am about Indy 4. The main reason being that, in my opinion, Spielberg is stil creating strong, risky, creative films.
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all i know is that if a toy line of indy is made by hasbro they already have one ready piece, a Head. just re-use Hans head countless times and their you go..INDY ;D
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I really don't think that Han's hair length would have passed muster in the 30s!
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I really don't think that Han's hair length would have passed muster in the 30s!
yeah so it may not be accurate but then again look at most luke head sculpts, are those :P
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http://www.indianajones.com/community/news/indyarrives.html
New clip up at the official site...check out Lucas' shirt..."Han Shot First!"
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Hypocrite. :P
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Happy 65th birthday, Harrison Ford. Yup, Indy is a senior citizen.
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Hopefully he won't be playing the Henry Jones Sr. role because of it. :P
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Harrison Ford, 65, still fit for Indiana Jones (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/16/indianajones.hawaii.ap/index.html)
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She's back! (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=277) 8)
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Freakin' awesome!
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sweet jesus! That, my friends, is what they call "aging well."
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sweet jesus! That, my friends, is what they call "aging well."
"It's not the years honey, its the mileage"
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Oh, hells yes. :)
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Okay, so it's not IJ4, but close enough:
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3554/legoindyvk6.jpg)
Traveller's Tales raiding Lego Indiana Jones (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175793.html)
LucasArts commissions Lego Star Wars studio to parody history-turned-adventurer's first three excursions, available in 2008 for consoles.
By Tom Magrino, GameSpot
Posted Jul 27, 2007 6:35 pm PT
(http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/207/Indy-background570_embed.jpg)
Eat your heart out, Mr. Ford.
Traveller's Tales is no stranger to LucasArts properties. The developer won praise, or at least a few smirks, with its tongue-in-cheek send-up of the hallowed Star Wars franchise in Lego Star Wars and its follow-up, Lego Star Wars II. However, during Star Wars Day at this year's Comic-Con International: San Diego, it wasn't the epic space opera that received one of LucasArts bigger announcements.
Closing out its conference at Comic-Con, LucasArts announced Lego Indiana Jones: The Videogame will ride on to consoles in 2008. As with Lego Star Wars, Lego Indiana Jones will parody three Indiana Jones movies, Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Lego Indiana Jones will developed by the same team behind the Lego Star Wars games and feature the same style of quirky humor and familiar movie moments rendered in children's building blocks.
LucasArts' storied franchises aren't the only ones Lego Group has courted recently. In March, Warner Bros. Entertainment announced it would be piecing together DC Comics' Gotham City with Lego Batman, available for multiple consoles in 2008. Earlier that same month, Lego Group announced that Auto Assault developer NetDevil was prepping a massively multiplayer online game around the popular building blocks.
Along with the game, LucasArts also announced that Lego Indiana Jones playsets will be available in January 2008.
LEGO Indiana Jones: The Video Game - trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22890.html)
But here's something from IJ4:
(http://www.indianajones.com/site/media/photos/large/070727-photo.jpg)
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If Lego Indiana Jones is half as good as the Lego Star Wars games then we're in for a real treat.
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Awesome news on both accounts ;D
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Can't wait for Lego Indy. :o
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Today's Foxtrot has an Indy theme (http://foxtrot.com/):
(http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2007/ft070902.gif)
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Man, the old Indy joke is old. ::)
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Apparently Henry Jones the third announced the full title of IJ4 during the MTV Music Video Awards tonight:
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
No bull****--I was just thinking, earlier today, that we should be hearing an announcement on this very shortly, and here it is. Weird, wild schtuff.
Nothing at the official IJ site (http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html) as of yet. Nor theraider.net (http://theraider.net/). Probably tomorrow, if it is indeed legit.
Sounds more like the title of an Indiana Jones Choose Your Own Adventure book, to me, but whatev.
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Yeah, I could not tell if Shia was serious or not when he announced that? I guess so.
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But here's something from IJ4:
(http://www.indianajones.com/site/media/photos/large/070727-photo.jpg)
Wow... Marion looks about a thousand times better than the last interview I saw with her.
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Yeah, I could not tell if Shia was serious or not when he announced that? I guess so.
It sounds like bull**** to me, but I don't know the context in which it was used, as I didn't catch it on TV.
It does seem to take IJ4 in a totally-different direction from what some of the rumors have suggested - SPOILER - HIGHLIGHT TO READ: that the plot involves re-finding the Ark.
Who knows. Guess we'll find out soon enough, anyway.
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Pappy "Nuthuggers" Wise has the official press release it seems
(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2007/indiana_jones_logo-tn.jpg)
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Son of a bitch.
Anyway, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?
Abbreviated IJatKotCS.
Yeah, that's not much better.
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I'm not believing it until I see it on IJ.com. But I'd like it to be true, because it sounds frickin awesome.
Hell of a lousy way to announce it, though. ::)
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I plan on calling it "Crystal Skull" (is that what we're calling it now, "Crystal Skull"?) sort of like I call "Raiders", "Raiders" "Temple", "The one in India" and "Last Crusade", "Last Crusade"
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I plan on calling it "Crystal Skull" (is that what we're calling it now, "Crystal Skull"?) sort of like I call "Raiders", "Raiders" "Temple", "The one in India" and "Last Crusade", "Last Crusade"
That's funny--I usually refer to Last Crusade as "garbage."
But yeah, Crystal Skull works for me.
I'm not believing it until I see it on IJ.com.
Believe it. (http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html)
Hell of a lousy way to announce it, though. ::)
Agreed. Seems like they'd at least hype it up beforehand, somewhat. . .
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I'm not believing it until I see it on IJ.com.
Believe it. (http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html)
Fair enough, thanks for the link. Funny that they just updated it in the ten minutes since I checked it.
Hell of a lousy way to announce it, though. ::)
Agreed. Seems like they'd at least hype it up beforehand, somewhat. . .
It's also really odd that they're updating the official site late on a Sunday night.
Put two and two together and I suspect this really was Shia letting the cat out of the bag too early and Lucasfilm trying to clean up after him.
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Put two and two together and I suspect this really was Shia letting the cat out of the bag too early and Lucasfilm trying to clean up after him.
Maybe, but it was about two hours after he announced it that they had the press release sent out, the new logo ready to go, and the website updated, all late on a Sunday night. And they were gonna have to announce it here pretty quickly, anyway.
I'm thinking it was set-up.
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Maybe, but it was about two hours after he announced it that they had the press release sent out, the new logo ready to go, and the website updated, all late on a Sunday night. And they were gonna have to announce it here pretty quickly, anyway.
I'm thinking it was set-up.
They could've been sitting on the release and the logo for a while, but decent point about getting some programmer off his ass to post it this late on a weekend.
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Well, its nice to finally have the official title out there now. It wasn't exactly what I expected I guess, but its not so bad. It sounded a little strange at first, but then, Attack of the Clones sounded different to me originally as well - and I guess I've gotten used to it at this point. Plus, I'm kind of in the same boat as what Scott mentioned:
I plan on calling it "Crystal Skull" (is that what we're calling it now, "Crystal Skull"?) sort of like I call "Raiders", "Raiders" "Temple", "The one in India" and "Last Crusade", "Last Crusade"
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I see that SWShop (http://shop.starwars.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=414196) already has the "official title T-shirt" up for preorder :).
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Click for hi-rez version of logo:
(http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/indylogosmall.jpg) (http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/indylogolarge.jpg)
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I see that SWShop (http://shop.starwars.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=414196) already has the "official title T-shirt" up for preorder :).
Matt, I concede victory to you. They wouldn't have a t-shirt in production in 12 hours if this was unplanned.
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I still hope we see Indy in the beard at some point in the film. I mean, look at this piece of fan-art and tell me that isn't the badassest thing ever: http://www.theraider.net/community/museum/gallery/indy4_art/damien_may_01.jpg
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I plan on calling it "Crystal Skull" (is that what we're calling it now, "Crystal Skull"?) sort of like I call "Raiders", "Raiders" "Temple", "The one in India" and "Last Crusade", "Last Crusade"
That's funny--I usually refer to Last Crusade as "garbage."
Get the **** out.
What's wrong with Last Crusade?
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The story is Raiders re-hashed, and it took two really good and interesting characters from that movie and turned them into bumbling buffoons. Don't care for any of the three villains, either.
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I mean, look at this piece of fan-art and tell me that isn't the badassest thing ever: http://www.theraider.net/community/museum/gallery/indy4_art/damien_may_01.jpg
that isn't the badassest thing ever.
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The story is Raiders re-hashed, and it took two really good and interesting characters from that movie and turned them into bumbling buffoons. Don't care for any of the three villains, either.
Hmmm.
I guess you're right.
They did make Marcus pretty lame.
Still...dick.
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Marcus wasn't established much in Raiders though to NOT have him be a bumbling dolt, which I thought was funny in a way... I didn't think Sallah was turned into anything bad really either. I guess I just liked Crusade... It had a bit more humor to it than the other two did though, that's for sure.
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Marcus wasn't established much in Raiders though to NOT have him be a bumbling dolt
Raiders Marcus said of the Ark, "Five years ago, I would have gone after it myself." Just from that one line you know that he's had his share of adventures, too.
Crusade Marcus, on the other hand, doesn't know his way around Abu Dhabi or wherever the **** it was, and makes all kinds of goofy jokes and nearly falls off his horse at the end.
He might as well have been a completely new character, 'cause he was "Marcus Brody" in name only.
I didn't think Sallah was turned into anything bad really either.
Nothing as horrible as what Marcus was turned into, but still he seemed like a bit of a clown compared to Raiders Sallah.
I guess I just liked Crusade... It had a bit more humor to it than the other two did though, that's for sure.
Now that I agree with. But it wasn't a good thing.
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Marcus wasn't established much in Raiders though to NOT have him be a bumbling dolt
Raiders Marcus said of the Ark, "Five years ago, I would have gone after it myself." Just from that one line you know that he's had his share of adventures, too.
Crusade Marcus, on the other hand, doesn't know his way around Abu Dhabi or wherever the **** it was, and makes all kinds of goofy jokes and nearly falls off his horse at the end.
He might as well have been a completely new character, 'cause he was "Marcus Brody" in name only.
I didn't think Sallah was turned into anything bad really either.
Nothing as horrible as what Marcus was turned into, but still he seemed like a bit of a clown compared to Raiders Sallah.
I have to agree. When I saw Last Crusade, I totally wondered why suddenly Marcus and Sallah had become C-3PO and R2-D2.
If you look back at the movie, there are times when they share almost the same dialogue... example:
Marcus - "Oh, Sallahl What a relief!" (IJ Last Crusade)
I think they even made a joke about Marcus getting lost in his own museum once...
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I mean, look at this piece of fan-art and tell me that isn't the badassest thing ever: http://www.theraider.net/community/museum/gallery/indy4_art/damien_may_01.jpg
that isn't the badassest thing ever.
Just to clarify, I was referring to Indy in the beard and hat, not the fanart as a whole (which is at least decent). You're free to disagree of course, I just want to make sure we're on the same page of what we're disagreeing about....
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I liked Crusade for the most part, but yeah the Marcus character change was kind of odd. I was still laughing in the theatre at it though. So, it did not ruin it for me. I did not care for Elsa that much though. Other than the eye candy factor being a teen at that time.
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Crusade's my favorite. I personally like the goofy Marcus. I see no difference in Sallah.
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I see no difference in Sallah.
Yeah, but exactly what are they going to do with Sallah? With Pavarotti dead, who will play the role of Sallah?
???
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Yeah, see I didn't really see Sallah as being too much different overall... He cracked some funny lines here and there, but he seemed about the same overall. He, like Brody (IMO) didn't get established much in Raiders for his TLC persona to be far off the mark...
Marcus, I guess I can see... I was thinking of that line about going after the Ark as probably what made you guys dislike the TLC Marcus, but at the same time his saying "I'd have gone after it" doesn't necessarilly mark him as an adventurer like Indiana either... Marcus struck me as more a conservative kind of guy like Indy's father actually, in Raiders. Other than that one line of course about wanting to go after the Ark himself... But one could also take that as nothing more than excitement overtaking him.
Indy's crack about him getting lost in his own museum, I personally thought that was hysterical and transferred to the next scene where he was wandering around that middle-east city lost looking for Sallah. I guess I just didn't really look at Marcus as a competent adventurer, and more the "study and examination" type of archeologist like Indy's old man was...
To me, then, the way that Marcus and Indy's father were both thrust into Indy's world of ass kicking and Nazi killing was funny and worked.
The one thing I'll agree on though, is the part at the end with Marcus and the horse. THAT was dumb. Otherwise I loved TLC. That and Raiders are by far my favorites above Temple. Temple's cool, but lacked something (I think it's some of these recurring characters) to me.
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I see no difference in Sallah.
Yeah, but exactly what are they going to do with Sallah? With Pavarotti dead, who will play the role of Sallah?
???
What? Sallah wa splayed by John-Rhyse Davies who's stiil alive. He hasn't been asked to appear...yet. I hope he (& Connery) have cameos. or atleast mentions or "voice cameos".
I love the part with Brody. One of the best in LC, which is my 2nd favorite movie ever.
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Another lame title from the King of Lame Titles, Mr. Lucas, though I guess Spielberg must've agreed to it, so he shares some of the blame. Shia's announcement sure got a seriously underwhelming response from the VMA crowd though, almost as if they didn't even know what the Raiders franchise was (not surprising, since it's older than most of the folks that were present there). I'm just glad Spielberg's on board, so as to keep Lucas's goofy and childish film antics and shenanigans to a minimum (hopefully). Though as MB's pointed out, they were certainly more prevelant in Last Crusade.
I was really excited to hear that Karen Allen was making a return to the series though. God, I was in love with her when I was a kid. Fingers crossed that the 78 year-old Harrison Ford can pull off a convincingly cool and tough Indy still. Toes crossed that his annorexic girl friend doesn't make a ridiculous cameo somewhere.
Yeah, but exactly what are they going to do with Sallah? With Pavarotti dead, who will play the role of Sallah?
What? Sallah was played by John-Rhyse Davies who's stiil alive. He hasn't been asked to appear...yet.
;D
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I think Harrison can handle the acting...just like Paul Newman, Clint Eastwood and Jack can, its the action sequences that will have me going WTF
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Really though, does Ford LOOK old to you guys? I mean... I dunno how you guys are holding up lately, but I can only dream I look half as decent as he does when I'm that age. I mean, the guy looks to me like he did for Last Crusade with just a little greyer hair.
Toes crossed that his annorexic girl friend doesn't make a ridiculous cameo somewhere.
Maybe there's a role up for extra petrified corpses in some tomb scene?
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Toes crossed that his annorexic girl friend doesn't make a ridiculous cameo somewhere.
Maybe there's a role up for extra petrified corpses in some tomb scene?
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rofl
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SPOILERS SPOILERS (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34088)
I wasn't going to read it but I couldn't control myself. :-[
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SPOILERS SPOILERS (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34088)
I wasn't going to read it but I couldn't control myself. :-[
And that link is no longer active, which may be related to this story:
September 25, 2007 -- A BIG-mouthed extra working on the new "Indiana Jones" flick has blown his fledgling movie career to smithereens by spilling the film's major plot points.
Director Steven Spielberg and producer George Lucas made the entire cast and crew of "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" sign nondisclosure agreements. But Tyler Nelson - cast as a "dancing Russian soldier" - gave an interview to his hometown newspaper, the Edmond Sun in Oklahoma, in which he revealed that. . .
Rest of article: 'INDIANA' BLABBER FACES DOOM (DEFINITE SPOILERS CONTAINED IN THIS ARTICLE - READ AT YOUR OWN RISK) (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09252007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm?CMP=EMC-email_edition&DATE=09252007)
What's awesome is that the Edmond Sun is my hometown newspaper, too--my family took that newspaper for years. It's a cheap, tiny little paper and I'm sure Tyler Nelson thought it was so off-the-radar that he could tell them whatever he wanted. Well, he's an idiot, and so are they, for printing it.
EDIT: This is the original article, from the Edmond Sun website, by way of Google Cache. The article has since been removed from their website. The same spoiler warnings apply.
New Indiana Jones film has Edmond actor (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:_VyQj3Veji4J:www.edmondsun.com/local/local_story_260175820.html+tyler+nelson+edmond&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)
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Yeah, that be the one.
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More news from aintitcool.com but be warned, Spoliers!
Wanna Know What Indiana Jones Is Doing This Week?! (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34218)
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Any news on that next-gen game? Or is it delayed again? ::)
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'Indiana Jones' execs take care of lawsuit (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/03/indianajones.settlement.ap/index.html)
Indy 4 photos and production details stolen (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=334)
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Scenes for Indy 4 will be filmed in Fresno (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=340)
Based on a new article at ABC-30 - and the fact that Spielberg annouced filming will wrap on Thursday - it appears that the last day of shooting Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull won't be in studio but on location in southwest Fresno, USA, tomorrow!
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A little thing I noticed about Brody.
During the "calm" scenes in LC he acted like in ROTLA, but during the action scenes he acted "bafoonish".
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Doesn't hold up well under pressure eh?
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I guess so. :P
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Spoilers in linky within.
It's a wrap for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=345)
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From an AICN Talkback post, supposedly quoting TheRaider.net but I can't find the original story there (perhaps it was pulled).
Oh yeah SPOILERS.
"This is a transcript for the teaser trailer for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull that is currently being rated. It will be released on 22nd November. I work at the classification board so I've seen it a few times and it looks awesome.
TRANSCRIPT:
Paramount logo.
Black screen.
We hear a low buzzing.
Shot of a mass of big jeeps crossing the desert.
Fade to black.
JIM BROADBENT: There are many secrets in this world...
Shot of a wooden box being loaded onto a loader.
Fade to black.
JIM BROADBENT: ...that man was not meant to discover!
Shot of the Ark being lifted out of its confines as military scientists watch in awe.
Fade to black.
A shot of the lid being lifted off the Ark.
Cut to black.
Cut to Indy and Jim in a university hallway.
JIM BROADBENT: There are others who seek the power of the Ark now!
Cut to black.
Shot of Indy leaving the university, looks like he's being watched.
Shot a woman in a white dress stepping from a vehicle.
CATE: Your services are required, Dr Jones.
Shot of Cate talking to Indy, she opens a box revealing a crystal skull.
INDIANA: I'm sorry, I cant help you!
Shot of Marion tied up in the back of a vehicle, kicking and screaming. The door opens and Indy reacts.
CATE: Your reward...is her life!
INDIANA: Marion!
Shot of a ship crossing the ocean.
Massive shot of Indy and Ray Winstone in a temple.
Shot of Shia fighting next to rotating blades.
Shot of a huge Mayan city.
Shot of Indy racing through catacombs.
Shot of Cate slapping Marion. Marion slaps her back.
Shot of Cate by the crystal skull alter, a fleet of soldiers behind her. We can just see the ark, she places a crystal skull down!
Shot of Jim Broadbent looking very worried.
Shot of A Mayan temple exploding with the power of the Ark
Shot of Indy and Shia swinging across a huge ravine as walls collapse around them. Shia slips at the edge; Indy grabs his Hand.
TITLES: INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL
Shot of Marion punching Indy.
INDY: I should have seen that coming!
2008
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I tell you what, if that is the actual teaser, I'll be there at the midnight premiere (if they have one)...
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That does sound pretty cool, and I can't wait to get a peek at this movie. I was just going to post in here that I was curious if we'd see a trailer this month, since November seems like a likely time to kick things off.
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Not what I expected, but that'd be awsome if it's true.
I though it would be like this:
Paramount Logo Appears
(Ark Theme Begins to Play)
Trailer Narrator: You've seen him fight off raiders of the lost ark
(Clips from Raiders are shown with no sound, with the Ark Song still playing)
Trailer Narrator: You've seen him in the temple of doom
(Clips from Doom are shown with no sound, the Ark Song still plays)
Trailer Narrator: You've seen him go on the last crusade
(Clips from Crusade play with no sound, Ark Song Ends with clips)
(Main Theme Begins)
Trailer Narrator: Now see him in the Kingdom if the Crystal Skull!
(Clips from Skull play)
Keep up with the Joneses again. May 22, 2008
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Pics -- see em before they're taken down (http://aintitcool.com/node/34908)
As I said a few pages back, I still wish they'd given him a beard, or switched up the costume a bit, or something ... just because it's a little silly that he'd wear the identical outfit 19 years later. Hopefully he only busts out the old gear for part of the film.
Still, one CANNOT deny the badassery.
EDIT: N/m, here be larger and clearer versions:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/396/ij4ia6864rresizeas0.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2739/ij4ia5532rresizenj5.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/791/ij4ia5906rresizexe4.jpg
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Thanks for posting those Nathan, those do look sweet. I was kind of hoping we'd see the first trailer this month, but I haven't heard anything of that for awhile now.
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As I said a few pages back, I still wish they'd given him a beard, or switched up the costume a bit, or something ... just because it's a little silly that he'd wear the identical outfit 19 years later. Hopefully he only busts out the old gear for part of the film.
On the other hand, somebody in the AICN Talkback mentioned that "Actually, Old people rarely update their wardrobe" and I must admit he has a point. :P
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Hot damn! 8)
New official Indiana Jones 4 photos (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=372)
(http://www.theraider.net/news/newsimages/indianajones4_03_tn.jpg) (http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery/screens/ij4_02.jpg)
(http://www.theraider.net/news/newsimages/indianajones4_02_tn.jpg) (http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery/screens/ij4_01.jpg)
(http://www.theraider.net/news/newsimages/indianajones4_01_tn.jpg) (http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery/makingof/mo_04.jpg)
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^^^^ *coughcough* ;)
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Better posted to see than hidden in the link & yes before they vanish which I doubt.
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The third picture proves this will be the best movie of '08.
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Indiana Jones and the Well-balanced Breakfast (http://www.cooltoyreview.com/story/front/Indiana_Jones_A_Well_Balanced_Breakfast_110434.asp)
(http://photos-283.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v169/93/51/40405283/n40405283_31104794_2517.jpg)
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That cereal actually doesnt look bad. Kind of like Count Chocula.
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That cereal actually doesnt look bad. Kind of like Count Chocula.
Hopefully it isn't stale like the AOTC cereal!
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That cereal actually doesnt look bad. Kind of like Count Chocula.
Hopefully it isn't stale like the AOTC cereal!
Not it'll be moldy like the artifacts. :P
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Hopefully it isn't stale like the AOTC cereal!
Not it'll be moldy like the artifacts. :P
dammit....i knew there was a "tastes like archeology" joke in this somewhere, and I couldn't find it earlier today...
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPOgh1oGH6M
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So where's the trailer for this movie? I thought it was going to be out in November.
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Indiana Jones 4 Poster for Christmas; Trailer Delayed (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/07/indiana-jones-4-poster-for-christmas-trailer-delayed/)
Indy 4 teaser poster for later this month (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=385)
Spoilers!
Cate Blanchett & Ray Winstone's characters revealed (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=388)
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Well, balls. >:(
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(http://home.comcast.net/~jedijaybird/indyIVposterbig.jpg)
:)
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(http://www.yakface.com/2007/indyIVposterbig.jpg)
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That's a pretty cool looking red x Jay :D
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fixed
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(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9703/indy1shttsrdrew72dpiji8.jpg)
:)
Poppa likes.
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Sweet poster. 8)
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And not a hint of grey !! ;)
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Or wrinkles.
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Sounds like it'll be February for the trailer:
comingsoon.net: Indiana Jones, Dark Knight & Star Trek Trailer Updates (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/startreknews.php?id=39869)
First up, the first trailer for Steven Spielberg's Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is now planned for a debut in February. While we don't know for sure with which movie it will show, Paramount's biggest film that month is The Spiderwick Chronicles, so keep your eye on that one. Of course, it's possible Paramount will decide to debut footage earlier during the Super Bowl, but we're not sure.
I think the Super Bowl thing makes a lot of sense. What better way to hype your new film, than by debuting it's trailer in front of eleventy billion people?
And hey, it worked for Wild Wild West, didn't it? :-X
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Some more pics/info on Indy 4 is up at Vanity Fair (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/indianajones200802?currentPage=1). Some pics and info may be a bit spoilery, so beware.
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Couple of those pics may be a bit spoilishery.
Article, too. . .
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Oh yeah, sorry, I'll add that to my post :).
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Read the article... it does seem to have a spoiler involved that some people are going to hate.
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I'm fine with the spoiler.
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If you don't want to see a new pic from the film, featuring Indy and a couple of other characters on a very cobwebby set, don't click here (http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery/screens/ij4_04.jpg).
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Guessing it's just a bad shot, but for the first time Harrison looks too old to be doing Indy stuff....has the deer caught in headlights look of a confused old man...more Marcus Brody than Indiana Jones.
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Guessing it's just a bad shot, but for the first time Harrison looks too old to be doing Indy stuff....has the deer caught in headlights look of a confused old man...more Marcus Brody than Indiana Jones.
Yep, maybe once it's color-corrected and ILMed up it'll look better (http://www.yakface.com/jayson/ij4_04b.jpg).
;)
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Nice, but Indy still needs some work.
This movie is going to suck monkey brains.
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now he looks befuddled and well lit.
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When I see that picture it looks like an old man dressed up to look like Indiana Jones and the kid from Transformers wearing a leather jacket. You would think the old man would have bought a different shirt or something in 20 years. I guess not. My dad still dresses like he did when I little kid. He's definately more Marcus Brody than Indiana Jones.
This whole thing just seems weird. Maybe its the time period or something? I wonder if the kid is going to be as whinny as his character was in Transformers. Why couldn't we just have a new actor play Indy and keep the Nazis instead of adding the evil commies? I guess all of the magic in the world was sucked out when 1950 came.
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Would people really go for another actor playing Indy? I just wouldn't be the same. I agree harrison Ford looks kind of old. But to see someone else would just not be Indy to me.
And if you really want to see whiny, re-watch the Goonies. I can't believe I once enjoyed that movie. I think 90% of the dialogue in that movie was just kids screaming.
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What's so wrong with just having robots that look and feel just like the original ones? Why do they all have to look like alien bugs? Why can't bumblebee look like a VW bug instead of a really crappy camaro? Do we really have to put up with more of a whinny character that has no idea what to do with a hot girl sitting on his lap?
This whole thing just seems weird. Maybe its the time period or something? I wonder if the kid is going to be as whinny as his character was in Transformers. Why couldn't we just have a new actor play Indy and keep the Nazis instead of adding the evil commies? I guess all of the magic in the world was sucked out when 1950 came.
I'm not sure about the whiny kid either...maybe the directors do it so the fanbase can have someone to relate to.... :-*
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The photos we're seeing sre also "promo-pics" and don't really capture the look and texture of the films. I'm sure Ford will look great on-sceen. Older, sure, but great. I just want to see that "worried-Indy-nervous-laugh/grunt type thing one last time!
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It sounds like (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/movies/other/007301117.cfm) the trailer should be on its way around Valentine's Day. Reports are saying that it will be on the Official Site at 12:01 AM Friday, Feb 15th, and will also be teased on Entertainment Tonight (and in theatres) on Valentine's Day. Looking forward to it!
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I think Ford can still play the part. That actor is exactly what embodies Indiana Jones. He doesn't look his age to me at all... he looks about 50... if it were another actor, I wouldn't be interested in even seeing it... just wouldn't be the same.
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Spoilers in linkys, be warned.
Exclusive: New Indiana Jones Pic Have bazooka, will travel (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=21881)
Empire's Second Indiana Jones 4 Photo (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=466)
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New pic from MTV. It may be a bit spoilery, so I've cropped it. Click on it for the full, somewhat spoilery image.
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6250/indy4mtvin5.jpg) (http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6905/indy4mtvwp2.jpg)
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"Now grandpa, put the big pointy rocket launcher down before you hurt somebody with it."
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"NO! It makes me feel young!"
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Crystal Skull Revealed!
It appears that a couple of new images have surfaced on the net, one of them an advert for a Japanese company which makes trinkets & so forth.
The other image, which has Paramount looking for sites that post the image are requesting them to remove it.
Please do not post the image here.
(http://www.monmouth.com/~mcresort/images/warning.gif)
Major Spoiler In Link Below; Enter At Your Own Risk!
BEWARE OF IMAGE SPOLIERS IN THIS LINK (http://fusedfilmblog.com/)
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My Eyes! My Eyes!
You didn't warn me enough... expect a lawsuit in the morning for officially ruining my year, Dale. >:(
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Sorry, the lawsuit would be thrown out. 4 warnings were issued.
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Sioux me
(http://www.domiknitrix.com/dkx_images/skull_printable.gif)
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It appears that a couple of new images have surfaced on the net, one of them an advert for a Japanese company which makes trinkets & so forth.
Of those trinkets in the advert not in the spoiler territory, why would they make the voodoo doll of indy over the Cross of Coronado????
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What year is this movie set in?
Questions that May be Spoilers below....
Read that spoiler message 4 times, IF 4 warnings is in fact threshold for avoiding Punitive or Actual Damages compounded by court costs, intrest and sanctions.
It looks like the Leather Jacket the guy has on is an 80's Punk type jacket with buttons etc...
Maybe if it is late enough the RPG or "Bazooka" will not be anachronistic like in Raiders when he had one 35-40 years before that model was even invented.
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Indiana Jones 4 Trailer Coming Next Week (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=481)
Yay! 8)
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Finally! :)
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Indiana Jones the Magazine (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_merchandise.php?id=490)
(http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/public/news_images/4/66533_153626_1.jpg)
Indiana Jones Magazine issue #1 newsstand cover .
(http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/public/news_images/4/66533_153627_2.jpg)
Exclusive Indiana Jones Magazine issue #1 cover available only through Diamond Comic Distributors.
Better than the Oscars. ;)
Harrison Ford on Barbara Walters Oscar Special (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_miscellaneous.php?id=491)
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"It looks like the Leather Jacket the guy has on is an 80's Punk type jacket with buttons etc..." oh boy...
Those jackets were MC Jackets, and the look was based on the 1950's bikers. Just check out Brando in the Wild Ones.
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I'm going to pick that magazine up. Looks cool.
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Teaser is up. (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1)
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"You're a teacher?"
"Part time."
Classic.
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Did you notice it has that CG feel in alot of the scenes? What's wrong with real sets?
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Ok, that was cool.
The only CG feel I got was during the outdoor chase... That one didn't look realistic. The other scenes looked great to me though.
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I've stayed away from all of this stuff and did my best to keep my expectations low (nonexistent), but I did watch the trailer - and I'm completely excited about this movie now.
And agreed about the outdoor chase - the shots of them in the jeep were about the only thing that felt poorly composited to me.
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The Trailer did not sell me yet, I am still a bit mixed after watching it. You really can see a lot of CGI throughout the trailer. As you all pointed out, it's most evident in the car chase scene. Too much CGI for me takes away the feeling of the other movies sense of realism, the same goes for Star wars prequels, they missed that sense of Sci-Fi realism.
It's really hard for me to see him swing like that at his age and get punched. I thought they were going to keep this a little more grounded. Don't get me wrong, it's great to see Indy in action again but they waited too long to make this film. I just do not buy him as Indy anymore based on what I seen. I will of course still go to the movie but I will still keep my expectations low and hope to be pleased with the film. I will have to give Sly Stallone some props because he still looked like a Rocky that can fight and a Rambo that can tear your throat out with his bear hands.
Harrison is looking like Indiana Old and the Temple of the Crystal Depends.
OK, I am ready for the hate posts because I dissed Indy........
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(http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/images/KidFinger.jpg)
;D
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:D
I am honored!
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I thought the trailer looked pretty good. Yeah, he looks old. But the movie still looks like a lot of fun.
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what...no comments on the labelling of that crate?
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what...no comments on the labelling of that crate?
The wooden one or the metal one?
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the metal one that seemed to magnetic!
I didn't notice a wooden one...
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It's really hard for me to see him swing like that at his age and get punched. I thought they were going to keep this a little more grounded. Don't get me wrong, it's great to see Indy in action again but they waited too long to make this film. I just do not buy him as Indy anymore based on what I seen. OK, I am ready for the hate posts because I dissed Indy........
It still may work based on the couple of lines they had in the teaser..
"This ain't gonna be easy"
Indy: "Not as easy as it used to be"
and "Damn, I thought that was closer" when he swung from the rafters to jump into the cab of the truck -- They have Indy poking fun/acknowledging his age/fallability.
the metal one that seemed to magnetic!
I didn't notice a wooden one...
The metal one had a "Roswell, NM" label on it
Whereas the wooden one had "Army Intel 32651 Do Not Open!" on it and looked suspiciously like the one at the end of Raiders (though it's not the same number)-- although this one was only full of documents..........
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It's really hard for me to see him swing like that at his age and get punched. I thought they were going to keep this a little more grounded.
Maybe, but shots of Indy rubbing his aching back and wincing in pain wouldn't exactly have made for the most exciting of trailers.
I liked it. It had me whistling the Raiders March afterward. I think I've almost done a complete 180 on this movie.
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That was cool! I'll be there opening night...
Personally I think it's great how they're poking fun at Indy's age and not trying to pretend that he's older.
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Yeah, I liked it. I do like that they are making fun of his age a bit. At least there will be some humor in the film. I thought the CGi stuff looked pretty good myself. It will be a fun movie to see I think. I am not going to go into expecting anything more that a fun popcorn flick.
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Damn that was good, just hearing the Indy theme when he snaps up his fedora just gives ya goosebumps. Yeah, that metal crate has Roswell, New Mexico - 1947 (RSW-001) on it. Sweet! 8)
As for the CGI, who gives a ****. Don't like it then don't see it! As mentioned, it's a fun popcorn flick & a big bag of popcorn it will be. ;D
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Just to add, screenshots are up on theraider.net.
Teaser Screenshots (http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery_teaser_01.php)
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I agree that this looked awesome. It made me laugh hard, and the simple shot of the crates getting shot up as Indy ran through them just felt so...right.
I can't for the life of me put the story together from this trailer. I kind of hope they don't put out another.
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I bet the plane riding into the sunset shot turns out to be the last shot of the film ... mirroring both Last Crusade and the end of Jurassic Park.
Not a spoiler, just a guess.
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Damn that was good, just hearing the Indy theme when he snaps up his fedora just gives ya goosebumps.
That's what I thought too. I can't wait for this movie, and the trailer was great. I'm glad that they're having some fun with his age, and not pretending that he's younger than he is. New Indy and Star Wars in theaters in the same year, sounds good to me :). Looking forward to May 22nd.
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Not to mention Prince Caspian. This is gonna be a great summer!
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Yeah, a lot of great "blockbuster" type movies this year that I'd like to see. Iron Man, Prince Caspian, Indiana Jones, Incredible Hulk, The Dark Knight, Clone Wars, Harry Potter 6 (November), and probably some others (Wall-E) that I'm forgetting. With a little one, I try to "prioritize" the movies I want to see, and we'll see how many I can actually make it to :). I love summer movie season.
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Okay, I have to admit to being a bit skeptical about this moving...until I saw the trailer. I'm so stoked for the movie now. My only concern is that it's not full of "I'm old" jokes and doesn't act like a sequel. But, because it's a Spielberg movie, I doubt that is the case. I can't wait to see this.
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Great trailer. I only noticed CGI during the stair well scene.
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'Indiana Jones' trailer a hit -- everywhere (http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/03/film.indianajonestrailer.ap/index.html)
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I might have to pick up Entertainment Weekly this weekend... :)
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/3-08/EW_indy4cover.jpg)
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(http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2008/03/10/indianjonesx-large.jpg)
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Pretty nice. But where's the lens flare. ;D
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Here's couple of other posters.
(http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery/posters/poster_01.jpg)
(http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery/posters/teaser_02.jpg)
I really like the one Scott posted. 8)
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Yeah that new one is pretty tight. 8)
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Higher-res version 800x1185 (http://www.indianajones.com/site/media/downloads/posters/ij4-poster33.jpg)
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(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/indycatwilln128391003440000000.jpg)
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If anyone is interested in purchasing the Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Theatrical Poster, then head on over to SWS.com to preorder yours for $19.99 & will ship sometime in April.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Theatrical Poster (http://shop.starwars.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=417806)
A special note to collectors -- This poster is an authentic, double-sided theatrical one-sheet that is identical to those that will be displayed in the movie theater light boxes. In the past, StarWarsShop has offered theatrical one-sheets to collectors before the film's rating is printed on the poster, which any collector will tell you these days is the more common variation. We're offering the rarer rated version to our shoppers, and will ship them as soon as they're available in April, well ahead of the film's release.
Note: The image accompanying this listing showcases the non-rated version -- you'll be receiving the rarer rated version.
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Reminds me a lot of the Prequel posters. :)
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According to Dark Horizons.com & TheRaider.Net, Ian McDiarmid is apparently playing a role as "Professor Levi" in KOTCS - . He previously played this same character in an episode of Young Indy Chronicles: "Paris, 1916"
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TV trailer spot is up. 8)
INDY IV TV spot Whips The Internets Into Shape! (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36202)
Glorious Quicktime HD Trailer! (http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/indianajones/tv1/IJ_KOTCS_TV1_FREEDOM30_720p.mov)
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According to Dark Horizons.com & TheRaider.Net, Ian McDiarmid is apparently playing a role as "Professor Levi" in KOTCS - . He previously played this same character in an episode of Young Indy Chronicles: "Paris, 1916"
Holy crap ... I've been Netflixing the Young Indy series (seeing them for the first time) and I just watched that episode last week. He cameos as a friend of Dr. Jones Sr. who lives in Paris and young Indy stays with him for a couple days; from the name and accent I'd guess he's a German or Russian Jew.
Very interesting link if true. There are about 40 years between that episode and KCS, whereas McDiarmid has only aged 16 years in the real world. Then again, if he can play an 80+ year-old Emperor at 39 and that same character again as a middle-aged man twenty years later, I suppose anything is possible.
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I wonder when we're going to get the full trailer. The release is six weeks away; so far all we've seen is the teaser and we still haven't heard word one about the actual trailer.
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Nothing on the net that I could find, everyone is asking the same question. Just a waiting game, hopefully we get something soon.
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Would a trailer be worthwhile to release for Paramount/LFL? With six weeks until the movie, they might be better off showing new footage in TV spots.
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Yeah, that's what I'm beginning to wonder. At this point it might not be worth it anymore. :-\
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Indiana Jones Second Trailer Coming! (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4496&Itemid=99)
Written by Stephanie Sanchez
Monday, 10 March 2008
IESB's Robert Sanchez is on the scene at the PPI (Paramount Pictures International) Preview today at ShoWest!
During the presentation, it was announced that there would be approximately 12,000 prints of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull distributed to theaters, biggest release ever for Paramount Pictures.
It was also announced that the filmmakers are currently working on a second trailer for the film, Paramount has touted that the first was one of the most watched trailers ever. It should premiere mid-to-late April.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is set for release May 22, 2008!
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Score! (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/ValinKenobi/Forums/woohoo.gif)
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The 2nd Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull TV spot is up.
QuickTime, High Definition (1080p) (http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/indianajones/tv2/IJ_tvs2_powerrev30_1080p.mov)
QuickTime, High Definition (720p) (http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/indianajones/tv2/IJ_tvs2_powerrev30_720p.mov)
QuickTime, High Definition (480p) (http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/indianajones/tv2/IJ_tvs2_powerrev30_480p.mov)
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Actual full trailer. FOR SERIOUS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaQBEG4fcd4)
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Mmmm, cheese sandwich.
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Great trailer. :)
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Actual full trailer. FOR SERIOUS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaQBEG4fcd4)
"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Paramount PIctures Corporation" :(
Anyone know another place to find it?
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Shoot, I missed it too. Hopefully it will be back online (or officially online) soon.
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Be quick about it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vwx5hsPQrdE
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Pretty damn cool!
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Wow, I'm really getting excited for this movie - can't wait for the 22nd :).
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Be quick about it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vwx5hsPQrdE
DAMN. You're not kidding. Loaded it, watched it, was getting ready to save it with some recording software and BOOM it's gone.
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I'm hoping its released pretty soon here, there's only a few weeks left until the movie opens. Does anyone know if it is attached to movies this weekend? If so, maybe it will be at the Official Site by the weekend or so.
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I heard it was going to be attached to Iron Man ... that's this weekend I think?
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Correct. Iron Man opens May 2. Or tomorrow night in some places will start showing it at 8 pm.
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Ha! I'm glad I converted to AVI it & saved it. It runs 1:53 & looks pretty swett. 8)
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Oh, did you know that the Indy theme has words? :D
Indiana Jones and the Song of Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTrK4VQG93Y)
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New indy trailer up on the Indy site
http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html
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(http://www.telusplanet.net/public/djustus/Kubricks/Indy.......Indy.......Indy........Indy.........Indy.........Indy............bmp)
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I got to see this trailer in front of Iron Man today. It was really impressive on the big screen. :)
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I got to see this trailer in front of Iron Man today. It was really impressive on the big screen. :)
It was shown ahead of IM at our theater as well, and you're right - it really looked good. Also got to see the new Dark Knight trailer on the big screen, so that was nice too.
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I saw the new Indy trailer on TV last night.
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Has anyone heard that they might be taking the Indy trailer off Iron Man on Friday?
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Has anyone heard that they might be taking the Indy trailer off Iron Man on Friday?
No, why?
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Just bought my tickets for the 11:59 PM showing on Wednesday the 21st.
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So I hear that Lucas is looking to the Mutt Williams character as the one to take over the Indiana Jones franchise. It seems Lucas is hoping the character is popular enough to where to he can do a trilogy where him and his dad go on adventures together. Kind of like Mutt would rescue Indy from a trap the same way Indy rescued his father in Last Crusade. What do you think?
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I think Shai has some great talent and I enjoyed the way he played some of his characters in the past couple of years. Can he carry on to hold Harrison's torch for an entire trilogy with the old man as a side-kick? I think not, but we'll see how well he pulls off his roll next week.
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Oh great! You've have a movie staring Shai and this guy....
(http://steveandamysly.tannerworld.com/databank/image_youngindianajones_old1.jpg)
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"Mutt Williams"?
Yeah, that'll look great on a marquee. ::)
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I wouldn't say that "Indiana Jones" is that much better. We're just used to it.
Anyway ... the name "Indiana" came from Lucas' dog. Perhaps that dog was a "mutt".
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Remember that Raiders wasn't initially released with the "Indiana Jones" logo, it was just "Raiders of the Lost Ark." After it hit and they did two sequels, then Indy got the highlight.
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This isn't really "news" since it's the cover from a couple issues ago, but it was new to me and I haven't seen it posted here:
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/covergallery/img/2008/apr252008_988_989_lg.jpg)
Looks as if he's still got it....
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Ford, Shai, Spielberg, & Lucas were on the news this morning being interviewed and I just couldn't stop laughing when Papa George said to go out and by each Indy DVD seperately. Does this guy not have enough money? Anyways......what the hell happend to that man's neck ???
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I saw that this morning as well (by the way, is Diane Sawyer not the worst interviewer ever for this type of stuff?) - and it seemed everyone was very friendly and complimentary with one another. I agree, George looked a little different today - what is going on with that hair? :P Oh well, at least he made fun of himself a bit though "I'm the only one here that doesn't fit into their pants from back then".
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Oh well, at least he made fun of himself a bit though "I'm the only one here that doesn't fit into their pants from back then".
Since Shai was in diapers "back then," I doubt that's true.
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Indiana Jones' debut survives Cannes critics. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080518/ap_en_mo/cannes_indiana_jones)
Indiana & the Crystal Skull made it's debut at the Cannes film festival May 18th. A lot of mixed reviews but meh, we the fans are the reviewers. ;)
You can check out the pic's from Cannes before the film in the linky below.
New 'Indiana Jones' premieres at Cannes (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/New-Indiana-Jones-premieres-Cannes/ss/events/en/051708indianajones/s:/ap/20080518/ap_en_mo/cannes_indiana_jones;_ylt=Au8UJCh1uhlsaKW1TaYMRIGmG78C)
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I've got my tickets for the first midnight showing. It should be fun!
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IGN (http://movies.ign.com/articles/874/874909p1.html) has their review up (from Cannes), and its not exactly glowing either. Not an all-out bashing, but not overly positive either. Like Dale mentioned, early reviews often don't matter to me either - as a lot of my favorite movies are ones that reviewers don't necessarily like. Plus, it seems like they are often ready to "pounce" on movies like this (and Star Wars, comic books, or anything "fun") - particularly the national media reviewers. We'll find out this week (we've got our tickets for Thursday afternoon) :).
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Take a look at Rotten Tomatoes. The film is being recived very well, especially for a 27 year old franchise with 4 entries.
This ones going to be fun.
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This type of movie never gets good reviews, hell, I remember that Siskel and Ebert hated the first Star Wars movie.
I'm looking forward to the new Indy movie and it should be great!
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Reading IGN's there real quick, their main gripe seems to be too much CGI ruined IJ (sound familiar? I believe people say the same thing about the prequals and I don't personally agree with it), and some of the characters weren't necessary, or were outright crowbarred into the film...
Eh, I think the review could be worse... it didn't touch much on the story being bad.
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You want more on Indy at Cannes, then head on over to Raiders.net. They have video reports & interviews, Cannes articles & more Cannes photos.
Indiana Jones Takes over Cannes (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=811)
Whoo Hoo! (http://www.telusplanet.net/public/djustus/Kubricks/Indy.......Indy.......Indy........Indy.........Indy.........Indy............bmp)
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I'm part of a group of 15 that's going on Thursday night. Should be fun. Best part is, it's reserved seats, so no standing in line.
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Roger Ebert gave it a 4.5 out of 5. Most of the "reviews" I have seen are pretty decent. It sounds it's an entertaining Indy movie. No it is not the greatest movie ever better certainly a decent popcorn flick to entertain us for a few hours. Basically isn't that what most of us were expecting from it? It will be a fun movie. Not sure it will be better than Iron Man but still good.
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There seems to be more and more reviews popping up as the week goes on, and most of them are pretty positive. The main complaint (as mentioned earlier) seems to be too much CGI - but pretty much everyone agrees that its "fun" - and that's all I ask for. Like I said, reviewers rarely like any of my favorite movies, so I don't put much stock in it - but its even better when they do enjoy them. Definitely looking forward to Thursday.
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I'm stoked about this, pretty much because I'm a huge Indy fan...watched ROTLA on my computer in bed the other night. I freakin' love that one...anyway, I'll probably end up waiting until Monday (if possible or maybe Sunday afternoon). If I can't get in, I'll just wait until school is out (5 June) and remain out of Indy discussions until after I see the movie.
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Just picked up my tickets for the midnight showing.
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I got my ticket today also. One more day!
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My buddy gave me a call earlier today. Looks like I am watching Indy tommorow night at 8pm ;D. The guy works at a local AMC so he got me and some other friends free passes to watch the screener of it :P I have been so pumped for this movie, heck I bought and watched the new DVD this weekend to get ready for it...and because I did not own the dvd and it was a while since I last watched them ::)
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This type of movie never gets good reviews, hell, I remember that Siskel and Ebert hated the first Star Wars movie.
Well, you remembered wrong! Ha! Siskel and Ebert loved Star Wars in 1977. In fact, if you get a chance read Ebert's original newspaper review. He essentially says the film was an out-of-body experience for him, because the experience was so intese and overwhelming. Good stuff.
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Really? Wow, well cut me some slack, I was only six at the time! :P
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Yeah, Ebert seems to actually enjoy those kind of films. Few "critics" or as I call them "self proclaimed snots" do. They would rather see from artsy, fartsy flick that nobody cares about and praise the hell out of it.
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I think this movie should do fairly well in box office. I'm not saying it will one of the top five money makers of all time but it should do as well as Iron Man has been doing. I think there is still an audiance for this kind of movie based on the success of National Treasure and the Lara Croft movies.
Well, I see it tonight at midnight. ;D
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This type of movie never gets good reviews, hell, I remember that Siskel and Ebert hated the first Star Wars movie.
Well, you remembered wrong! Ha! Siskel and Ebert loved Star Wars in 1977. In fact, if you get a chance read Ebert's original newspaper review. He essentially says the film was an out-of-body experience for him, because the experience was so intese and overwhelming. Good stuff.
Yeah, I've gone through before at Ebert's website and read archived reviews, and he really gives a glowing review to Star Wars (I think its actually one of his "best of all time" picks). Actually, he's given fairly favorable reviews to all of the SW movies (OT in particular I believe), and also gives fairly positive reviews of a lot of other "genre" stuff like superhero flicks. But yeah, it often seems that national media critics just go in waiting to hate movies like this.
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I have my midnight tickets. It'll be the first time I've ever gone to the midnight showing of a new movie, so it BETTER BE GOOD!!!! :)
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This type of movie never gets good reviews, hell, I remember that Siskel and Ebert hated the first Star Wars movie.
Well, you remembered wrong! Ha! Siskel and Ebert loved Star Wars in 1977. In fact, if you get a chance read Ebert's original newspaper review. He essentially says the film was an out-of-body experience for him, because the experience was so intese and overwhelming. Good stuff.
Yeah, I've gone through before at Ebert's website and read archived reviews, and he really gives a glowing review to Star Wars (I think its actually one of his "best of all time" picks). Actually, he's given fairly favorable reviews to all of the SW movies (OT in particular I believe), and also gives fairly positive reviews of a lot of other "genre" stuff like superhero flicks. But yeah, it often seems that national media critics just go in waiting to hate movies like this.
Not to keep on with the Ebert praise, but I agree with what you guys have said. He seems to rate films based more within their genre. He knows what type of films Indy and Star Wars are, so he rates them against their peers, not every film out there. I respect his reviews more because after all of these years, he still seems to be a huge movie fan. He's not jaded and pretentious yet.
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I'll be there tonight with a few friends, then leaving in the morning for an out of town funeral - going to be a long couple days.... some fun at first, then back to real life with a family loss. Very much looking forward to the movie tonight to get my mind off things.
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I'll be seeing it tomorrow at 7pm. Would have done the midnight thing but couldn't get off work tomorrow and I'm told old...to pull an all-nighter or go with less than 6 hours sleep. lol
But I'll be so ready to see it tomorrow. I could have seen a bootlegged version of it a few weeks ago, but passed on that. I want the full-on experience of seeing it on the big screen for the first time.
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Grrr... Due to family issues I won't be seeing this until Sunday... Can't wait...
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I will be seeing this a second time in the next few days, if that says anything about the quality...
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I will be seeing this a second time in the next few days, if that says anything about the quality...
I saw it my second time yesterday ::)
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I will be seeing this a second time in the next few days, if that says anything about the quality...
I saw it my second time yesterday ::)
Can I get your autograph?!
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I will be seeing this a second time in the next few days, if that says anything about the quality...
I saw it my second time yesterday ::)
Can I get your autograph?!
I don't know, I am kind of on a tight schedule. But I will see what I can do for ya.
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I saw it a second time today. I still love it!
I hadn't noticed/didn't remember the first time when Indy said, 'I have a bad feeling about this.' That was pretty cool. :)
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I went with my brothers and dad to see it Friday night. I'm a bit mixed on my feelings for it.
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Caught Indy 4 a second time tonight. Got better with the second viewing.
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I sw Indy 4 last night and was SEVERELY DISSAPOINTED. Sorry to those that liked it, but I would have rahter had the story end at #3 after seeing that lamefest last night. And people give Stallone crap about bringing Rambo back. ::)
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I finally saw Indy tonight with a friend, what can I say... it a popcorn flick. I have no complaints, I enjoyed it. ;D
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It has been found!
Frank Darabont's version of Indy IV has been posted on the internet. Get out there and look.
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Seen it 3 times now... enjoyed it more each time. 8)
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It has been found!
Frank Darabont's version of Indy IV has been posted on the internet. Get out there and look.
Post a URL!!
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pm sent...
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It has been found!
Frank Darabont's version of Indy IV has been posted on the internet. Get out there and look.
Post a URL!!
I second the motion!
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Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods (http://www.mediafire.com/?etik1zsybmy)
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It has been found!
Frank Darabont's version of Indy IV has been posted on the internet. Get out there and look.
Post a URL!!
I second the motion!
Paramount's been uber-aggressive about protecting that script. They took down the original site as soon as Ain't-it-Cool posted a link and I didn't want to get JD (or myself) in trouble (especially since LF visits this site.)
I have read the first 40 pages though. Indy actually has character in this one. And best of all, no gophers.
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Nice. I just glanced down the first 10 pages or so, looked good. I'll have to read that this weekend some time.
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The plot was surprisingly similar through most of what I read.
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I can't wait for Indy V, otherwise known as the remake of "Cocoon" and co-staring an aging Steve Guttenberg. ::)
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The 90's version "Saucer Men from Mars" has also surfaced.
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That's been out there for a while.
I've seen the movie a couple of weeks ago & I loved it. Not as much as LC or ROTLA but it was pretty good.
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Darabonts script had some good moments (I like that Indy fell under the spell of the Skull in the climax, and had to shoot his way out) but as a screenplay it was pretty sloppy. I couldn't keep all of the bad guys straight, and the Crystal Skull itself is not seen until page 40! That's 40 minutes into the film before we really know what it's about. And, the "mokey pooped on me" was just as silly as Shia in the vines.
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I saw this a third time the other day. I still love it, but I think three times is definitely enough until it comes out on DVD. :P
One question I still have: Who are the 'living dead' that were guarding the skull? Were they the Cemetary Warriors, the Ugha, or both? That's still a little confusing... ???
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I think that was suppost to be the Cemetary Warriors.
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Looking for a Direction: George Lucas on a Fifth Indiana Jones (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=886)
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George please don't kill Indy again. Let him rest in piece with Jar Jar.
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anyone catch this in Darabont's script?
FAKE M.P. #1
This is gate twelve...
(checks a clipboard)
...protocol tango, hotel, x-ray,
one, one, three, eight.
cute.
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You know, I just don't think I need another new Indy film. I'd probably go see Harrison Ford again if they got back to basics, but I wouldn't follow a Mutt film. I'd also be happy with a young Indy, prequel film, with a new actor taking on a 20-something Indy as a flashback with Ford telling the story in the "present."
I don't know. I was lukewarm on the new Indy film and I just can't get excited about another...and those comments by Lucas? Yikes. Even though I really love some of the films he's done, I'm starting not to like the guy.
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They got lucky with Indy IV being so great (at least in my opinion), so I think they need to quit now. They're really in a spot where it would be foolish to try and top it.
BTW, any word on when this will be out on DVD?
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Nothing really thus far., rumors are October.
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on DVD (http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_merchandise.php?id=878)
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Kingdom-Crystal-Theatrical-Release/dp/B00005JPNZ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1217309659&sr=8-1)
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I guess the question is do we care enough about this movie to buy the special box set or just the regular old DVD? I'm thinking the regular DVD just to complete the collection.
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Oooo! I may be just enough of a sucker to buy that fancy 2-disc set there with the skull! :D
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There's no new 'Jones' without Ford, says Lucas (http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/07/film.george.lucas.ap/index.html)
Indiana Jones 5’ Won’t Center on Shia LaBeouf, Insists George Lucas (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/08/05/exclusive-indiana-jones-5-wont-center-on-shia-labeouf-george-lucas-insists/)
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Wow! I thought the 'Mutt Williams and the Search for Elvis' was a joke but I think uncle George was serious. I guess we don't have to worry. It will take them another fifteen years to come up with a script and Ford will really be looking like old Indiana Jones from the YIJC.
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They got lucky with Indy IV being so great (at least in my opinion), so I think they need to quit now.
Lucky? C'mon! They're amazingly talented guys who have shaped modern cinema for the last 30 years!
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Wow! I thought the 'Mutt Williams and the Search for Elvis' was a joke but I think uncle George was serious. I guess we don't have to worry. It will take them another fifteen years to come up with a script and Ford will really be looking like old Indiana Jones from the YIJC.
I hope not. Then we have no choice but having Mutt as the main since I will not accept a re-cast for Indy or John McClane.
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They got lucky with Indy IV being so great (at least in my opinion), so I think they need to quit now.
Lucky? C'mon! They're amazingly talented guys who have shaped modern cinema for the last 30 years!
Three words: THE PHANTOM MENACE.
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They got lucky with Indy IV being so great (at least in my opinion), so I think they need to quit now.
Lucky? C'mon! They're amazingly talented guys who have shaped modern cinema for the last 30 years!
Three words: THE PHANTOM MENACE.
....was a great movie, nuff said ::)
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They got lucky with Indy IV being so great (at least in my opinion), so I think they need to quit now.
Lucky? C'mon! They're amazingly talented guys who have shaped modern cinema for the last 30 years!
Agreed. It's simply hilarious how so many people pile on Lucas these days... this isn't the early 80s anymore. Times change... and Indy IV was quite enjoyable and a great addition to the series.
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In fact KOTCS was so great that it replaced the phrase "Jumped the shark." with "Nuked the fridge."
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I would go see another one, so long as Ford is the lead.
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Indy IV was quite enjoyable and a great addition to the series.
Absolutely, in fact it's tied with Last Crusade as my favorite.
P.S. KotCS is out on DVD on my b-day, so that's pretty cool. I guess now I can justify buying the DVD & Skull thingy set as my gift to me. :D
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Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: 2-Disc Special Edition
Disc One
• The Return of a Legend—The evolution of the new film and a tribute to the legendary hero and his creators.
• Pre-Production—Follows Steven Spielberg as he creates animatic sequences, Shia LaBeouf as he learns to swordfight and captures the reunion of filmmakers and cast on the soundstage.
Disc Two
• Production Diary: Making Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
- Shooting Begins: New Mexico
- Back To School: New Haven, Connecticut
- Welcome to the Jungle: Hilo, Hawaii
- On-Set Action
- Exploring Akator
- Wrapping Up!
• Warrior Makeup
• The Crystal Skulls
• Iconic Props
• The Effects of Indy
• Adventures in Post Production
• Closing: Team Indy
• Pre-Visualization Sequences
- Area 51 Escape
- Jungle Chase
- Ants Attack
• Galleries
• The Art Department
- The Adventure Begins
- Cemetery and Jungle
- Akator
• Stan Winston Studio
- Corpses, Skeletons & Mummies
- Aliens & Crystal Skulls
• Production Photographs
• Portraits
• Behind-the-Scenes Photographs
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Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Blu-ray
Disc One
• Indiana Jones Timelines
- Story Timeline: Showcases the key events of the “Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” storyline.
- Production Timeline: A Making-of chronology for “Kingdom of the Crystal Skull”.
- Historical Timeline: Dives into the real-world historical influences
• The Return of a Legend
• Pre-Production
Disc 2:
• Production Diary:
- Shooting Begins: New Mexico (HD)
- Back To School: New Haven, Connecticut (HD)
- Welcome to the Jungle: Hilo, Hawaii (HD)
- On-Set Action (HD)
- Exploring Akator (HD)
- Wrapping Up! (HD)
• Warrior Makeup (HD)
• The Crystal Skulls (HD)
• Iconic Props (HD)
• The Effects of Indy (HD)
• Adventures in Post Production (HD)
• Closing: Team Indy (HD)
• Pre-Visualization Sequences
- Area 51 Escape (HD)
- Jungle Chase (HD)
- Ants Attack (HD)
• Galleries
• The Art Department
- The Adventure Begins
- Cemetery and Jungle
- Akator
• Stan Winston Studio
- Corpses, Skeletons & Mummies
- Aliens & Crystal Skulls
• Production Photographs
• Portraits
• Behind-the-Scenes Photographs
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I think I'll try and nab the Best Buy exclusive box set.
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Ugh, I cannot believe Lucas/Spielberg are doing the stupid "single disc AND two disc" thing everyone in Hollywood has a massive hard-on for these days. Looks like I'm paying $25 for the 2 disc instead of getting it at an awesome discount from Wal-Mart on release day. ::)
Anyone else like the single disc artwork better than the two disc/Blu-Ray?
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I can live with the single disc dvd instead of the two disc version. The movie wasn't great enough to get all the bonus crap.
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i like the single disc artwork much better.
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i like the single disc artwork much better.
Plus it'll go good with the original DVDs unless I'm seeing the wrong colors here.
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i like the single disc artwork much better.
Plus it'll go good with the original DVDs unless I'm seeing the wrong colors here.
Didn't you say you were color blind?
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I can see colors - just can't distinguish between browns/greens/reds yellows/oranges blues/purples/blacks sometimes. It's fun.
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I kind of like the single disk artwork better than the 2-disk. What really pisses me off with these releases isn't just that they do the single and double disk releases, they then will come back with another release if/when there's a sequel or, more often, because there's a Tuesday somewhere in the future with no other interesting releases so, they figure, why not?
Just put all the bonus **** on however many disks it requires and release it. Oh, and do away with the fullscreen versions. Anyone still buying those should be shot anyway.
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I personally like the 2-disc artwork more.
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Well, I guess this is as good a reason as any to get a Blu-Ray player. :)
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I can see colors - just can't distinguish between browns/greens/reds yellows/oranges blues/purples/blacks sometimes. It's fun.
me too! me too!
all of my socks have to have patterns on them. otherwise i'll wear one black sock and one blue one.
it's kind of like Garanimals clothing, if you remember those..
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Well, I guess this is as good a reason as any to get a Blu-Ray player. :)
Iron Man would be a better reason, but whatever works for ya. ;)
Now if they came out with Raiders on Blu-ray...
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I can see colors - just can't distinguish between browns/greens/reds yellows/oranges blues/purples/blacks sometimes. It's fun.
me too! me too!
Me Three. Me Three! Its not uncommon for me to confuse my green and brown toned shirts!
Anyway, I expect I'll probably get the blu-ray version.
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I'm buying a PS3 so I can watch Dark Knight on Blu-Ray. I don't yet know if I'll be purchasing Crystal Skull, but if I do, it'll be on Blu-Ray, so I'll have something to watch while the Dark Knight disc cools off. No more standard DVDs for me anymore.
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Next week's prices:
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Best Buy: $14.99
Circuit: $13.99
Target: $15.99
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$22.99 at all three stores
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Best Buy: $26.99
Circuit: $29.99
Target: $27.99
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Best Buy exclusive: $39.99
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Exclusives/freebies/other:
Best Buy: Free bag of M&M's with any Indy 4 purchase
Circuit: Two free Crystal Skull lithographs with purchase of two-disc DVD or Blu-Ray
Target: Battle Packs (Hasbro?) $15.99
Free $5 Target Gift Card with purchase of standard DVD and Battle Pack
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Getting it at Best Buy next week
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Getting it from Netflix next week ;)
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Sorry maybe a stupid question but since I don't have a Blu ray I don't know the answer. When watching an old movie with special effects in it can it make it look cheesier since the clarity is so clear, can you see the strings attached to the puppet another words?
Also any word if/when the other Indy movies will come out on Blu ray?
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Did anyone see the new South Park tonight? They had a good joke about Spielberg and Lucas and Indiana Jones and Star Wars.
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Always wondered what a cartoon version of Lucas climaxing would look like. Now I know.
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I was pissing my pants watching that episode last night. Brilliant.
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Picked the movie up on DVD at Target yesterday. I plan on watching it this weekend. :)
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I picked up the Special Edition DVD at Target yesterday. It comes with a fairly nifty (and hardcover) photo book there.
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I borrowed it from my parents and I wanted my money back!!!
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How much does your parents charge for movies?
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LaBeouf: "I Dropped the Ball" on Indiana Jones Sequel (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/usmovies.accesshollywood.com/shia-labeouf-dropped-ball-indiana-jones-sequel)
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You know, I've got more respect for LaBeouf than I did even just a year or so ago. Even though he did the press for these films and touted how good they were, he's recognized some of the shortcomings even if he may have been the problem. But what he's said, about both TF and now Indy, didn't come off to me as complaining. He seemed to recognize what others were saying and owned some of it and he seems genuine that he'd like to do better.
He was a minor reason I didn't like Indy 4, and I had other issues with TF2, but he's been good in some rolls that I've liked such as in Eagle Eye and Disturbia.
Anyway, I had other issues with Indy and thought they could have easily come up with something better than interdemensional aliens. But, whatever.
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I don't think he came off as ungrateful or anything... The whole, "LeBoug SLAMS _____" titles for these quotes of his in interviews are a bit misleading. He felt Transformers 2 (which I've never seen) wasn't as good as Transformers 1 because it tried too hard to be bigger than TF1... While not seeing the movie I can still imagine the problem and him being right.
With Indy he seemed to feel the ideas weren't maybe the greatest, but that it was ultimately his job to make it good because he's the actor, and like you said E, he took the blame for that... How is that slamming Indy? Indy made a ****-ton of money, as I feel sure TF2 did. He just thought some of the stuff in the movies was dumb or the wrong way to go... I thought him swinging with monkeys was utterly stupid and silly, and I thought his feelings were pretty spot-on... though I'd blame Lucas/Speilberg for going with that.
His sword-fighting was equally dumb. It's odd enough that Indy walks around with a whip but he at least incorporates it into his work as a tool... He uses it to climb, swing, etc. Sorta believable right?
Who the **** walks around with a fencing sword in the 1950's? And then Lebouf just happened to be there and having a little fencing experience himself. Talk about forced action sequence. That was f'n horrible. It didn't look bad, but it was stupidly forced trying to give Shia a dazzling "skill" with a weapon like Indy had was all, and it came off horribly I thought.
Swinging with monkeys was simply stupid looking, and an excuse to shoehorn CGI into a chase sequence. How do you blame LeBouf on that? That's all Lucas/Speilberg butt-raping Indiana Jones.
Hopefully if Indy 5 happens, they learn from Indy 4... Part of me thinks they can, and part of me thinks they're so self-absorbed with their technology in films, that they'll want to shoehorn even more in, at the cost of the movie's quality.
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LaBeouf is class act. He can admit his own failings unlike Jake Lloyd that STILL insists that Ep1 wasn't his fault. Yipppie! :P
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I actually enjoy LaBeouf in most of his roles, and think he is a pretty decent actor. I can see why he was the "it" boy the past couple years. I actually didn't have a problem with him in Indy (or Transformers for that matter). Like it has been mentioned, the stuff in Indy wasn't really anything he could control - his acting seemed fine and I thought his chemistry with Ford was pretty good too. Jesse pretty much hit on the major problems in that movie, and I pretty much agree with all that. I thought the fencing seemed a bit forced as well, and I don't know of anyone who enjoys that monkey swinging schtick. I don't have a problem with him being in Indy V as well, although I don't necessarily want to see him "take over" for Ford. To me, it isn't Indy without Harrison Ford, and I don't think we want to see "Mutt's Fencing Adventures" either.
Like others have said, I didn't really think his comments in either instance (TF or Indy) were "slamming" either of the films, or ungrateful. He never said anything about the movies being garbage or not wanting to be in more of them, he was just recognizing the shortcomings. I know we've seen worse come out of some of the Star Wars actors about those movies (the prequels in particular) at times.
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I've liked Lebouf since the days when my kids were watching Even Stevens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFqFzjfEdJk). I thought he was funny then, and have enjoyed watching him grow up as an actor.
That said...this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXCK1EyP4s) clip cracks me up.