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Title: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: CloneCommander1 on July 21, 2006, 04:58 PM
http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-HasbroQA/image33.asp (http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-HasbroQA/image33.asp)

Woo!
My custom should fit right in with these guys!
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 21, 2006, 05:05 PM
EXCELLENT!
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 05:06 PM
Another pass.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 21, 2006, 05:07 PM
Another pass.

Why?  I don't get it.  Are you just anti-clone figures?

They're not exclusive or high priced, and you're the only collector i've seen disappointed in the announcement of the Galactic Marine, Parjai Trooper, and Kashyyyk clone.

 ???
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 05:11 PM
Another pass.

Why?  I don't get it.  Are you just anti-clone figures?

They're not exclusive or high priced, and you're the only collector i've seen disappointed in the announcement of the Galactic Marine, Parjai Trooper, and Kashyyyk clone.

 ???

I'm not anti-Clone, in fact, I plan on getting the E2 Green Clone, I just don't like the look of the Airborne SquadTrooper, Galactic, and BARC Trooper.

Got a problem wit it?

Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Gatillo on July 21, 2006, 05:13 PM
Another pass.

Why?  I don't get it.  Are you just anti-clone figures?

They're not exclusive or high priced, and you're the only collector i've seen disappointed in the announcement of the Galactic Marine, Parjai Trooper, and Kashyyyk clone.

 ???

In his defense he is only a kid, what the heck does he know about anything :P
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 21, 2006, 05:13 PM
Yeah I have a huge problem with people not wanting the most popular sought after figures in the line, leaving more on the pegs for me.

Oh fine, I'll buy the clones.

 ;)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Nirvana on July 21, 2006, 05:14 PM
Hey man, chill out.

I, for one, am pretty excited over this. It'll be a bitch to find, but so was the Sandtrooper, and I found 2...

I'm excited about all the clones, but not because they're Marines, or Airbornes, just for custom potential.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 05:35 PM
Another pass.

Why?  I don't get it.  Are you just anti-clone figures?

They're not exclusive or high priced, and you're the only collector i've seen disappointed in the announcement of the Galactic Marine, Parjai Trooper, and Kashyyyk clone.

 ???

In his defense he is only a kid, what the heck does he know about anything :P

Hey!
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: CloneCommander1 on July 21, 2006, 05:43 PM
Hey man, chill out.

I, for one, am pretty excited over this. It'll be a bitch to find, but so was the Sandtrooper, and I found 2...

I'm excited about all the clones, but not because they're Marines, or Airbornes, just for custom potential.

If I find it like I found the sandtrooper, I'll have 20 ;D.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Word_Weaver on July 21, 2006, 05:51 PM
Sign me up for 8.  8)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: speedermike on July 21, 2006, 06:22 PM
Count me in as not really excited.  He'll be another Gree. Close, but no cigar as far as accuracy.  It'll be a Bikerscout figure painted green, and the Kyysyyyyyk troopers had some different details.

I'll be shocked if there's some new parts to it.

You guys arew way too easy to please.  Remember WE keep Hasbro in business.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: CorranHorn on July 21, 2006, 06:56 PM
(http://www.starwars.com/community/event/con/f20060718/20060718_picview_hasbro/img/19.jpg)

Looks to be a straight repaint of the VTSC Biker Scout. But damn it's such a nice repaint, I'll be needing a few of these. Well that is if they don't pull a Vader's Legion Clone on us and change which sculpt they repaint....
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Diddly on July 21, 2006, 07:15 PM
If it's SA, sign me up for 4. If they use the POTJ scuplt, a major PASS.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 21, 2006, 07:56 PM
If it's SA, sign me up for 4. If they use the POTJ scuplt, a major PASS.

Yup, me too.  If it's POTJ, they can keep it.

If it's VTSC, 20 bare minimum.

I'm glad that most of the other line looks like crap and assorted other EU garbage, because i'm buying 60 figures between the Kashyyyk clone, Galactic Marine, and Parjai Trooper.

And not too much else from the rest of the line!!  I'm leaving most of the other figs on the pegs like those clone 41 off screen repaints and the battle droid camos.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 21, 2006, 07:57 PM
I'll take about 15 of these.

 :)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 21, 2006, 08:01 PM
It looks, at the very least, that they modified the helmet so it looks like the BARC Trooper's visor and not the ROTJ Scout.  It's not completely accurate to the film trooper, so I'm kind of disappointed there, but right now I'm just hoping they don't pull and trick like they did last fall with the 501st Clone. 
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 21, 2006, 08:06 PM
Oh GOD... don't say it.

We're actually getting the POTJ Biker Scout repainted.   :-*

 :)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: 212th Battalion on July 21, 2006, 08:52 PM
i'm buying 6 of them!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Clone Hunter on July 21, 2006, 10:12 PM
Oh GOD... don't say it.

We're actually getting the POTJ Biker Scout repainted.   :-*

 :)

The pic at least seems to be the VTSC one, which is good new that I do not have to repaint any more.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: roron corobb on July 21, 2006, 10:31 PM
Do we even know that these pictures are final production? They could use the BARC Speeder Trooper helmet on the VTSC Biker Scout body and I would be happy.
roron corobb
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Roton7 on July 21, 2006, 11:30 PM
I'm gonna need plenty of these to fight my camo droids! :D
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2006, 02:23 AM
Yeah I blew the pic up and got the same impression you did Dr. P.  the head is a new sculpt I believe.  The visor's definitely new and accurate to the Kashyyyk guys. 

If the final product is a VTSC Scout with a new head...  I'm game.  The differences are down to minor stuff at that point really, so I'll be in for a minimum of 20 of this guy so long as he's SA...  Probably more actually.  They were abundant on Kashyyyk so my army building senses are tingling.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Fritzkrieg on July 22, 2006, 02:32 PM
 >:( >:( >:( >:(
Why would they not at the very least pop the Barc trooper head on this thing. And the boots are the same worn by the Galactic Marine, which they've sculpted already as we've seen in the preview pics. way to drop the ball Hasbro, way to drop the ball.

 >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 22, 2006, 04:04 PM
Yeah I blew the pic up and got the same impression you did Dr. P.  the head is a new sculpt I believe.  The visor's definitely new and accurate to the Kashyyyk guys. 



I did the same, I really think it's a straight VTSC repaint.  I don't see any helmet differences.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Nirvana on July 22, 2006, 04:10 PM
Hmm...Hasbro has all those professional sculptors and machines, and look what one of our fellow former members produces:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/grail30/DSC06075.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/grail30/DSC06077.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/grail30/DSC06078.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/grail30/DSC06081.jpg)

Amazing.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Spectre on July 22, 2006, 09:30 PM
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Why would they not at the very least pop the Barc trooper head on this thing. And the boots are the same worn by the Galactic Marine, which they've sculpted already as we've seen in the preview pics. way to drop the ball Hasbro, way to drop the ball.

 >:( >:( >:( >:(

I wouldn't necessarily say that Hasbro dropped the ball as the figures in the slide show are hand painted "prototypes". I used " " marks as they are not true prototypes but hand painted production figures of older figures that have been released before, just like the "Final 12" figures displayed at Comic Con last year. The BARC trooper is only a repainted VTSC Bikerscout with an Evolutions rifle. While the final figure may be more or less identical to the "prototype" seen here, Hasbro has been known to switch things up a bit at the actual production level (I.e. switching the 501st Clone from last year from a #41 to a #38 body).

Also, these toys are not meant to be exact replicas of their onscreen counterparts, just a representation of them for kids to play with. If you want absoloute accuracy, you will have to wait for something from Gentle Giant, Master Collectors, or one of the other "collector focused" high end collectibles manufacturers.

Also, you consider yourself a customizer, you can always fix any of Hasbro's "inaccuracies" yourself if you are ever so inclined. I do it all the time if it's something that I feel is just too far off-base to be tolerated for aesthetic reasons :)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Artoo on July 22, 2006, 09:37 PM
20!To fight those Camo BDs & SBDs! :P
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: speedermike on July 22, 2006, 10:31 PM
"Also, these toys are not meant to be exact replicas of their onscreen counterparts, just a representation of them for kids to play with. If you want absoloute accuracy, you will have to wait for something from Gentle Giant, Master Collectors, or one of the other "collector focused" high end collectibles manufacturers."...Spectre

No one expects perfection, but there is a standard that has been set. If you look at a figure of a Biker Scout, and what he looked like on screen, it's pretty close.  But if you looked at a Barc Trooper, and the reapinted Scout figure, there's lots of differences.  Please don't use the "they're toys for kids" as an excuse for Hasbro's  laziness.

The thing is, Hasbro is business.  Kids will buy the figure either way, but many collectors will only buy it if it's right.  Why not make product for the largest possible audience?
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 22, 2006, 10:45 PM
It just seems like there is always a small proportion of collectors who are Hasbro apologists, and will defend them no matter what, even if they release crap. 

The problem is, we have seen what they can do.  Look at the VOTC stormie.  The SA EIII clone and all it's many variants.  We know they're capable of detail and articulation, every time.

I don't need people apologizing for Hasbro.  They can do it.  They just lack the effort sometimes.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Artoo on July 22, 2006, 11:09 PM
If they release carp I won't defend them, but I like the paint job.Hey, you can you use it as a Imperial Camo Trooper. That custom is great,a little bulky.

Also,there is ALOT of differences between the two, not minor.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Spectre on July 22, 2006, 11:21 PM
I don't apologize for Hasbro. Nor do I defend them. There's nothing in it for me. I don't work for them or any of their subsidiaries. I just get tired of adults who have nothing better to do with their time than complain about the accuracy of toys.

I'm not apologizing for Hasbro as I see alot of moves from them that don't make the best of sense sometimes as well, I'm just trying to bring a sense of the actual business decisions that they make to people that do not understand them or take them into consideration. These toys are a business first and foremost, and like it or not, we are not the prime audience for them. We may think that we are, and they do their best to cater to us, but face it, there are alot more kids out there that adult collectors. I don't know how many of you have ever worked in any capacity in the toy industry or know anyone who does/has, but there are alot of things at work in their every move that we are never privy to. I happen to have known many toy professionals over the years and do a bit of consulting for some smaller companies so I have gotten a bit of a glimpse behind the curtain. They do not make toys to satisfy adult collectors, they do it to make a profit, nothing more, nothing less.

Look at my statement about Gentle Giants and Master Collector, these companies cater to the adult fans, who they know are uber demanding about accuracy. They know that thier products have to be as accurate as possible or they will not move, especially at the prices they have to charge to be profitable since they are only selling to a rather small part of the overall global population.

Hasbro manufactures playthings targeted at kids (and the young at heart) and they know that they do not have to be "perfect" as most kids (their core audience, remember) will look at a Barc and look at a Bikerscout and not care about the differences as they just want a cool toy. Just like back in the Vintage days. A good portion of the line (especially early in the line) look very little like their on-screen counterparts, but they still sold like hotcakes as kids just wanted Star Wars toys. If Hasbro didn't cater to their core audience of kids, do you actually think we'd see so many rereleases of the same items? They know that any "collectors" out there will have them already, but there's a really good chance that kids will not since kids generally get 1 toy at a time while the "collectors" more often than not will buy the entire assortment in one shot (usually wiping out the pegs so that it's weeks before the kids even get to see the new figures that the collectors consider to be "peg warming" by the time the next assortment is due to ship).

When Hasbro shines, they shine brightly as seen by many figures in recent memory, but they just as often fall short of "what could have been". I just happen to be a reasonable, intelligent adult that understands the business world and who doesn't have a large portion of my life revolve around toys and their "film accuracy" or lack there of.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 22, 2006, 11:27 PM
I don't apologize for Hasbro. Nor do I defend them. There's nothing in it for me. I don't work for them or any of their subsidiaries. I just get tired of adults who have nothing better to do with their time than complain about the accuracy of toys.


Fair enough.  And I get tired of adults who have nothing better to do with their time than complain about us.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Spectre on July 22, 2006, 11:36 PM
I don't apologize for Hasbro. Nor do I defend them. There's nothing in it for me. I don't work for them or any of their subsidiaries. I just get tired of adults who have nothing better to do with their time than complain about the accuracy of toys.


Fair enough.  And I get tired of adults who have nothing better to do with their time than complain about us.

No need to be a jerk, I'm not complaining about you or any other "collectors" just trying to show you that there are alot of factors involved in this industry that you do not take into account. Hasbro (and every other toy company) does not exist to please us solely, regardless of how we think they do.

Peace.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 22, 2006, 11:44 PM
Hey, no harm no foul, I just find it to be remarkable that you'd come in here and tell me I "have nothing to better to do with my time" than to complain about Hasbro's figure accuracy.  Earth to Spectre: You are in a action figure collecting forum!! Okay?  You're not on Cnn.com's forums.  This is where we come to do that stuff.  You're in a Star Wars figure collecting forum.  We don't need to be reminded they're "just toys" and be told we have "nothing better to do with our time."  On top of that we're about 24 hours removed from Comic Con photos, I think you're gonna have to deal with us for a while longer.

Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Gatillo on July 23, 2006, 12:11 AM
I love my hobby, even if sometimes I hate some toys. :-\
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Artoo on July 23, 2006, 12:52 AM
Me too, this is a figure I love although. Hey, Hasbro could of used the POTJ sculpt! Instead of this sculpt!
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 23, 2006, 02:46 PM
Earth to Spectre: You are in a action figure collecting forum!! Okay?  You're not on Cnn.com's forums.  This is where we come to do that stuff.  You're in a Star Wars figure collecting forum.  We don't need to be reminded they're "just toys" and be told we have "nothing better to do with our time." 


You should keep that in mind when you're coming down on Hunter of the Pegs for not being into clones. ;)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Kit on July 23, 2006, 05:36 PM
If this figure is "movie accurate" I will be buying 20.  If this figure is a repaint of VTSC biker scout with slight retooling I still will be buying 20.  Either way at the end of the day, I will be handing my money over to my pimp, hasbro. :P
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: speedermike on July 23, 2006, 06:43 PM
But buy buying 20 whether the figure is "accurate" or not, you're giving Hasbro the green light to cut more corners.  Hopefully they don't get the idea that they should just repaint a VOTC Boba Fett with silver and blue and call it Jango.  Or, hey, matbe they should repaint a Qui-Gon body and call it Count Dooku...I mean, if accracy doesn't matter, they should even bother making any sculpts.

Also, as far as the Vintage figures not being that accurate, you must remember that there was very little reference for us collectors to look at.  In 1978, the only place that I could actually see Walrus man was in the movie.  Today, with all of the books and home video, accuracy is important.  And as I said before, Hasbro has shown us that they can make a very accurate, excellent figure.  The BARC isn't one.

One more thing.  If this was a new sculpt, and accurate to the film, I'd buy at least 5-10.  Since it's not, I will buy only one for my collection. 
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Kit on July 23, 2006, 07:11 PM
But buy buying 20 whether the figure is "accurate" or not, you're giving Hasbro the green light to cut more corners.  Hopefully they don't get the idea that they should just repaint a VOTC Boba Fett with silver and blue and call it Jango.  Or, hey, matbe they should repaint a Qui-Gon body and call it Count Dooku...I mean, if accracy doesn't matter, they should even bother making any sculpts.

Also, as far as the Vintage figures not being that accurate, you must remember that there was very little reference for us collectors to look at.  In 1978, the only place that I could actually see Walrus man was in the movie.  Today, with all of the books and home video, accuracy is important.  And as I said before, Hasbro has shown us that they can make a very accurate, excellent figure.  The BARC isn't one.

One more thing.  If this was a new sculpt, and accurate to the film, I'd buy at least 5-10.  Since it's not, I will buy only one for my collection. 

Speedermike,
I understand your frustration.  I think Hasbro is going to cut corners no matter what.  It seems to be a part of their business ethic.

My support for this particular figure is great because I personally think the VTSC biker scout is one of the best sculpts ever made.  I bought 20 myself.  Like I said, if the BARC trooper is a repaint of the VTSC biker scout with slight retooling; we will only pay $6-$7 for a originally priced $12-13 VTSC figure with a repaint.  It is kinda like the sandtrooper situation right now, almost everyone is eating that figure up.  Plus, the final product isn't out yet.

Now if I said I will be buying 20 of the new #59 clone trooper 5th fleet security with a few new blue markings, then I see your point.  Hope that puts you in a different perspective.

One more thing.  Check out "The final 22 thread".  Pretty much everyone is excited about the BARC trooper repaint.  Jump on the bandwagon! ;)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Greg on July 23, 2006, 08:05 PM
Wow, this figure looks really nice. I don't really care about the differences between the Scout Trooper and BARC trooper, so this figure is awesome. Super Poseability and a spiffy camo paint job; doesn't get much better than that.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: speedermike on July 23, 2006, 09:20 PM
Y'know, I've never jumped a bandwagon in my life, and I'm not about to start. If I find a figure dissapointing, the fact that everyone else likes it won't make a difference. (With this kind of logic, my favorite movie would be Titanic, not Star Wars!)

 That being said  ;D the BIG difference between the BARC and the Sandtrooper figure is that the Santrooper is very, very accurate!!
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Diddly on July 23, 2006, 10:21 PM
I'm thinking of it this way:

If it's ROTS accurate (and judging from the pics, it isn't), then good for everyone. If it's just a repainted VTSC Biker, I'll use it as a Camo Scout Trooper and wait for the ROTS accurate one. If it's a POTJ Scout repaint, then it's staying on the shelves.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Kit on July 23, 2006, 11:35 PM
Y'know, I've never jumped a bandwagon in my life, and I'm not about to start. If I find a figure dissapointing, the fact that everyone else likes it won't make a difference. (With this kind of logic, my favorite movie would be Titanic, not Star Wars!)

 That being said  ;D the BIG difference between the BARC and the Sandtrooper figure is that the Santrooper is very, very accurate!!
Who compared "movie accuracy" between the BARC trooper and the sandtrooper?    I said if the BARC trooper is a repaint of the VTSC biker scout with slight retooling, we will be getting our money's worth because we will end up paying $6-7 for a figure who was originally $12-13.  For some, that is a great deal and is the whole idea of buying more; just like the sandtrooper/VOTC stormtrooper scenario.

C'mon now, let's not piss off the Titanic fans.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: ruiner on July 24, 2006, 04:16 PM
Accuracy is always good (especially in a world of $7-$15 figures) but I'm not one to open my figures and then bust out the calipers and encyclopedias

The thing that pisses me off (while also making me happy) is the fact that we get the VTSC mold for $7 after paying $10 for it just this year.

KEEP YOUR CLAMSHELL AND SELL US VOTC/VTSC FOR $7.00

Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Darth Broem on July 24, 2006, 11:43 PM
Well anyway I am quite excited to get this figure.  It looks fine to me but will admit I don't know exactly what is inaccurate about it and all that.  Ignorance is bliss I suppose.  Yeah, the VTSC thing is supposed to be something "special" and they give you a clamshell and you buy into the nostaglia, etc.  At least they only do a few of those things a year it seems like. 

Anything is better than that BARC trooper they had on the shelves IMO. 
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: speedermike on July 25, 2006, 08:41 AM
Y'know, this whole accuracy thing is just getting funny.  I guess why it bothers me so much is that I just  notice it.  I don't need encyclopedias or anything. I'm 38, and was in 9th grade when Jedi came out.  I drooled over the Biker Scouts-we thought that they were the coolest things ever.

So when I see a BARC, I just see the differences.  Plain and simple.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Fritzkrieg on July 25, 2006, 09:31 AM
I'll pick up a couple but I won't By them for Kashyyk clones, I'll use them as Camo Imperial Scouts. If the Sculpt was accurate I'd have bought fifty and Mixed them in with my Wookie Army.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 25, 2006, 08:58 PM
Here's the real kick in the nuts - one per case!

Knowing Hasbro they might actually do that.  This sucker should be 3 per case and repacked in several waves.

Regarding accuracy, so much of the prequel trilogy to me isn't holy like the OT as far as details go, so if it's only the helmet that is really new, I'm fine with that.

I've decided I want to have at least 20 of these now.

 :)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Jesse James on July 26, 2006, 03:59 AM
Wow, this thread wasn't...  pretty.

Since I'm coming in late I'm just going to lay down somewhat of a reprimand.  Leave personal insults and jabbing out of your discussions.  That goes for ALL involved in this thread since I saw some borderline stuff going on...

Spectre, I'm going to have to also point out that coming down on people who have a complaint about toys around here isn't going to earn you much favor with the staff...  The fact is, this is a toy collecting forum and complaints are what drives the line forward in quality.  If there's accuracy issues, I think they're completely valid things to bring up as complaints same as I think lacking knee articulation is a valid complaint in 2006's modern line irregardless of what Hasbro's logistics issues are...

That's neither here nor there to me as I'm the consumer.  I didn't go to school for business to not understand that Hasbro's in it to make money and I don't think anyone else here is lacking that acceptance either...  But that also doesn't mean that as consumers you cannot cite what's right, wrong, or in between with the way Hasbro does the modern line.  To me, accuracy can be very important depending on the detail...  And as many others pointed out, Hasbro's set precedents that they strive for accuracy...  To slack "just because" does then become an issue.  To me standards are a hot issue with Hasbro ALL the time.

Case-in-point is the Commander Gree just acceptable to you because some "inaccuracies" are acceptable?  I'm guessing no...  And the "well fix it if you're a customizer" excuse you gave to Fritz I personally found to be a little condescending on your part.  A $7 action figure shouldn't HAVE to have an equal or higher cost to "fix" it. 

I will say, this figure is still too early IMO to say if it's gonna be accurate or not...  That said, that figure pictured had a new headsculpt, and I'm not going to expect it to change a whole lot because in MY EXPERIENCE with the Toy Industry, what you see is often a very close estimation to what you're going to get..  So I wholely do expect a repaint of the VOTC Biker Scout with minor changes to the head perhaps but not much else.  I'll be happy to be surprised if it is an all-new (Super Articulated) sculpt though and I'd welcome it.  I just don't expect it.

Now, my personal opinion...  I personally will be ok, more or less, with the figure if he has a proper helmet since it was the most notable difference to me.  The extra packs and things I'd really like...  If Hasbro were actually crafty about it we'd see the packs as add-on accessories that snap on.  I'd love that myself...

For me, I'm probably going to be picking this figure up in some bulk...  Just based on the CC shot is my meaning there.  If it's an even more accurate figure my purchases may increase, I'm not sure.  I kind of liked the prelim shots but then again I'm not a Kashyyyk Clone expert either to have cited all those little costume differences.  I knew the visor, some random extra packs...  That was about it though, so that custom a few pages back actually is shockingly different to me.  Goes to show how much I pay attention to the Clone details I guess.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: speedermike on July 26, 2006, 12:06 PM
Jesse, thanks for approacching this in such a level headed way. Your comments are always weel thought out and diplomatic.

I agree about "complaining." I's needed in any business...if we didn't complain back in 1995, we'd still be getting He-Man sculpts!
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 26, 2006, 09:00 PM
This has probably already been mentioned (and I hope I'm not opening a just-closed can of worms), but I just dug out the VTSC Scout Trooper, the ROTS BARC Trooper pack-in, and the Chronicles: The Prequels book to do a quick rundown of the differences in the armor between the BARCs and the Scout Troopers.  I would like to say that as long as the head is changed (and it appears to be from the photos at SDCC), I won't have a problem with this figure at all.  Much like Gree, the only thing I really found objectionable was the helmet paint, so there you go.  This is for informational purposes only:

Helmet:  The BARC's helmet overall is slightly modified, with a larger visor and the angle of the chin portion is not as triangular as the ROTJ scout's chin (the BARC's is more trapezoidal in shape)

Chest Armor:  Slight differences, most akin to the differences between the Stormtroopers of the OT having the "blocky" layout and the prequel Clones having a more curved layout in the chest plates

Packs:  As mentioned before, the BARCs have more pockets on their midsections, but the overall composition of the waist seems to be very similar. 

Codpiece:  The BARCs have an actual codpiece along the lines of Jango or Boba Fett's (triangular) whereas the Scout Troopers have that "crotch diaper" looking thing.  Again, not a huge difference.

Gloves:  The BARCs have the little green "back of the hand" protectors whereas the Scouts just have black gloves.

Thighs:  The BARCs have some inner thigh armor that the Scouts don't have (an interesting note is that, at least on mine, the ROTS BARC's thigh armor isn't painted green as it is in the film).

Shins:  Where the Biker Scouts have the plain looking white boots, the BARC's boots are textured and seem to have actual armor on them.  Also, the BARC has no ankle holster.

Again, this is just what I saw, but like I said, the head seems to be fixed and that's good enough for me.   ;D
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Nicklab on July 27, 2006, 12:38 PM
This is probably my favorite Clone Trooper from ROTS.  Boy, was I surprised to see it show up in the Hasbro presentation last week.  More to the point, I was happy to see it.  Especially after the denials about it in Hasbro's Q&A sessions.

I can definitely see that there have only been some minor modifications to this Clone from the base figure of the VTSC Scout Trooper.   The helmet was definitely the biggest difference that I noticed, and I'm glad to see that they modified the visor for this.  I'm not the biggest supporter of repaints, but the VTSC Scout Trooper is quite a good figure to repaint.

Is this sculpt perfect?  No.  But I'm willing to live with this tradeoff until Hasbro can make a more movie accurate version.  The VTSC Scout Trooper is an excellent figure to begin with, so I'm not disappointed to get a slightly modified version of that to fill out the ranks of my Kashyyyk troops.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: speedermike on July 27, 2006, 02:26 PM
" But I'm willing to live with this tradeoff until Hasbro can make a more movie accurate version. "

What makes everyone think that we'll actually get a "true" sculpt of this character?
If people go nuts and but 20 of a sculpt that they're not really satisfied with, why should Hasbro make a new sculpt?

It took Hasbro 10 years to re-make R5-D4!
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Nicklab on July 27, 2006, 03:48 PM
You quoted me very selectively there.  And as I recall a staff member mentioning earlier in the thread, try talking critically about the figure and not other members who are voicing their opinions.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 27, 2006, 05:08 PM
This is probably my favorite Clone Trooper from ROTS.  Boy, was I surprised to see it show up in the Hasbro presentation last week.  More to the point, I was happy to see it.  Especially after the denials about it in Hasbro's Q&A sessions.

I can definitely see that there have only been some minor modifications to this Clone from the base figure of the VTSC Scout Trooper.   The helmet was definitely the biggest difference that I noticed, and I'm glad to see that they modified the visor for this.  I'm not the biggest supporter of repaints, but the VTSC Scout Trooper is quite a good figure to repaint.

Is this sculpt perfect?  No.  But I'm willing to live with this tradeoff until Hasbro can make a more movie accurate version.  The VTSC Scout Trooper is an excellent figure to begin with, so I'm not disappointed to get a slightly modified version of that to fill out the ranks of my Kashyyyk troops.

I mentioned earlier in this thread, I blew the BARC shown at Comic Con up to a huge size, and I don't see any differences with the VTSC scout at all, including the helmet.  I think it's a straight repaint of the VTSC.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: speedermike on July 27, 2006, 05:46 PM
Nicklab, I was focusing on what you said about being happy with one product while waiting for a better one.  I don't think I skewed your statement at all.  I didn't mean any harm.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Nicklab on July 27, 2006, 06:12 PM
I mentioned earlier in this thread, I blew the BARC shown at Comic Con up to a huge size, and I don't see any differences with the VTSC scout at all, including the helmet.  I think it's a straight repaint of the VTSC.

Frankly I can't say that I know what your comments were or that I care about what you've posted.  I'm making my own critique based on what I've seen.  Your troll-like need to chime in other people's opinions is tiresome.  It's certainly had the effect of dragging this forum down like the otheR place.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Artoo on July 27, 2006, 11:09 PM

KEEP YOUR CLAMSHELL AND SELL US VOTC/VTSC FOR $7.00

Bad idea, there'd be pegs of card backs with no figures. :-\
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Jesse James on July 28, 2006, 02:57 AM
You quoted me very selectively there.  And as I recall a staff member mentioning earlier in the thread, try talking critically about the figure and not other members who are voicing their opinions.

I don't believe Speedermike was really citing your opinions specifically, but instead talking about the toys as he makes a valid counterpoint...  There is no "guarantee" to getting the Kashyyyk Trooper resculpted properly in the line...  It's cool to like the repaint, but liking it with the assumption they'll make a new one up all proper is a gamble.

I personally agree with you Nick that it's likely (to me) to see the Kashyyyk Trooper resculpted...  Though we got Gree last year, he really sucks hard, and no resculpt of him was on the horizon...  2007's a long ways off though at this point too, but if the line cans up at some point and Gree's not resculpted proper, that'll be a disappointment to me and the #41 repaint from last year will be a letdown.

The Trooper at least has some mods to it...  It, as a trooper, also could have some fudging room for accuracy too, but I can safely say if the line ended without the right sculpt with all the details of the Kashyyyyk Trooper being hashed out, then I'd be a good bit more disappointed in this figure as he exists right now...

Though a reversal situation...  We saw Commander Appo...  He looked, to me, to be just a nicer version of the 501st Trooper and an "excuse" to slip that out into the basic line.  Better than the one last year in the battlepack or the basic one...  Not really a Commander save for slapping a pauldron on him...  Maybe Hasbro would dish out "Lt. Fox" to us someday with an all new SA sculpt and all accurate...  It's a possibility.  Still though Speedermike is right that liking something under the pretense it'll get resculpted isn't necessarilly what you'll get.  I still want a decent Gree figure dammit.  >:(
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: speedermike on August 4, 2006, 06:03 PM
This is from the Hasbro Q&A at the Galactic Hunter Website...
"GH: Is the #65 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (Kashyyyk), as shown at Comic-Con, the final product, or a mock-up? Collectors have noted that the image shown is a repaint of the Vintage Saga Biker Scout, and the helmet and armor scheme isn't movie accurate. Is this figure likely to be revisited down the road? (Question submitted by reader Doug.)

HASBRO: It is a repaint of the vintage Biker Scout. If we do revise him down the road, it won't be for a long time…so this is the only version of this figure we are able to do right now."

Y'see, Hasbro won't resculpt him for a while and they admit that the figure is just a simple reapaint. 
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 4, 2006, 09:54 PM
Dressel says:

I mentioned earlier in this thread, I blew the BARC shown at Comic Con up to a huge size, and I don't see any differences with the VTSC scout at all, including the helmet.  I think it's a straight repaint of the VTSC.

Nicklab says:

Frankly I can't say that I know what your comments were or that I care about what you've posted.  I'm making my own critique based on what I've seen.  Your troll-like need to chime in other people's opinions is tiresome.  It's certainly had the effect of dragging this forum down like the otheR place.

Hasbro says:

"It is a repaint of the vintage Biker Scout. If we do revise him down the road, it won't be for a long time…so this is the only version of this figure we are able to do right now."


Dressel's comments:  Trolling, or an honest to goodness assessment that turned out to be 100% correct.

Clearly this exonerates me.  You be the judge.

(I edited down your post DR, as I took out the last bit that didn't pertain to anything in this thread and seemed baiting...  Let's keep this civil guys.  It seems, at the moment you're right DR though I swear I see helmet differences but that's just me...  Keep it civil guys - JJ)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Roton7 on August 5, 2006, 12:31 AM
Clearly this exonerates me. 

Well I for one found you innocent of "trolling". ;)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Jesse James on August 5, 2006, 02:13 AM
A post has been deleted, and another has been edited...  Refrain from personal attacks. 

At the moment it appears you are indeed correct Dressel Rebel...  At the same time though I too blew the photo up and swear that the visor APPEARED to be changed on the BARC repaint.  While I no doubt believe it to be at least 99% repainted (and still inaccurate) the helmet seemed new-ish to me...  I'm curious to see what the final product is actually. 

Again though refrain from baiting, and flat out insulting in here guys.  It's not going to be tolerated and I'd hate to see any actual punishment handed down to anyone involved in this.  Keep it on topic, keep it civil, and if you don't have anything nice to say (or don't care for what others have said) then keep it to yourself or bring it up to one of the mods.  My time's at a premium right now but the others are still generally around so use them.

BTW I'm disappointed by Hasbro's answer to GalacticHunter's question...  Clone's are a goldmine.  I'm sure they not only could sell tons of a repainted VTSC Scout but also TONS more of a newly sculpted SA BARC Trooper...  Perhaps they were hasty with their answer. ;)  Just so long as their answer to our most important question this week was not something they'd back out on. ;)
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: Artoo on August 5, 2006, 01:12 PM
I'm still picking it up. Notice Hasbro said for a long time. :(
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on August 9, 2006, 10:04 AM
I'm on the sidelines. I did two customs and am happy with them so unless this is something new, I might take one, then again, I am more likely to pass.  For me, Hasbro needs to earn my business, not just throw new stuff out and expect me to just buy it.
Title: Re: BARC TROOPER!
Post by: darthmac on August 9, 2006, 12:15 PM
This gives me hope that this one may not be too hard to find....nah people are still going to buy this guy up in droves.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: ATL on November 21, 2006, 04:01 PM
I just about to do this trooper as a custom.
Praise the LORD :)
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: David on November 22, 2006, 05:40 PM
with figures like gree and kashyyyk trooper, not only do i not care about accuracy flaws because i'm mainly a MOC collector, i dont care because we cant expect hasbro to get every single ******* detail right on every single ******* figure. im just thankful were getting a kashyyyk trooper and extra glad its SA and not the POTJ sculpt i would have expected from the big H. as much as i love criticizing hasbro, there comes a point in time where you just need to give them a break! i mean, the complaints about gree's helmet were a pointless bitchfest if you ask me, and i bought it, opened it, and liked it.

 :o
glad i got that out of my system.

im buying kashyyyk trooper, probably five, one to keep carded and four to open. you know, to have a lance.  8)
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Jesse James on November 22, 2006, 08:25 PM
How do you figure we have to give a break to Hasbro though?  Isn't that to be the other way around?  They're financially gaining off Star Wars, we're losing...  They (and retail) have jacked up prices on the line in the last few years while quality hasn't increased steadily with it across the board... 

I've never quite understood any argument that we owe ANYTHING to Hasbro.  That's in line with, "you should be grateful they even make this stuff", as if they're somehow doing it out of simple kindness to us all.   ;D  That was always another argument that made me laugh my ass off at the person saying it...  It makes no sense and slights yourself as a consumer.

The sculpt on Gree is good...  for a Clonetrooper.  Not for Gree...  For Gree, it's attrocious on multiple levels, and that's the SCULPT I'm talking about...  You get to the paintjob, and that's a whole other gripe with a figure Hasbro shortchanged the collectors on (and I wager you'll see an all-new Gree sculpt sometime for them to get that extra $$$ out of the fans, because they know they can pull that off).

Getting to the Gree Trooper though...  You're paying $7 for a figure you already have, and for many of us we bought plenty to make retail and Hasbro both happy...  Hasbro's making $$$ hand over fist by reselling it to fans and short of incurring slight production costs their main fixed costs are practically nill at that point, and it's just pure profit for them to put that sculpt back into circulation...  That's cool, and makes good business sense for them, but re-release it as a basic Scout Trooper again in the basic line next year, don't hand it out as a pseudo-Kashyyyk Clone...

Considering the fact that a Kashyyyk Trooper's going to sell incredibly well, and they know it's not a risk to sculpt it a-new, Hasbro is really screwing the collectors with this figure ultimately by saying this is all there is for the foreseeable future.

Now I'm sure we'll see a new one eventually too...  I can't fathom Hasbro doing this half-assed (and that's what it is) repaint and not ever dishing out a new one with allt he pouches, straps, and other details the uniform has...  Not to mention the proper helmet sculpt which is significantly different to the Scout's as well.  I think we will see that eventually...  And mixed together I think the troops will look ok too...

But at the end of the day, I, and nobody else on the boards here, owes Hasbro a single thing.  They owe me and others for being loyal to this line despite entire years of **** they threw at us such as 1999, 2002, etc.  They owe us a NEW figure that is accurate...  No breaks.  No corners cut...  They need to attain the level of quality they set as a standard for themselves each time they do a figure, otherwise they're telling you that this is all the more effort they cared to do, and that you and your loyalty and hard-earned cash aren't worth more...  But they'll still ask you $7 for it.   ::)
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 24, 2006, 10:53 PM
(http://www.4-inches.de/inhalt/news/2006/11/061123_clone_2b.jpg)
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 25, 2006, 12:03 PM
I for one am on the fence about assembling a squad of this guy. If it is indeed going to be a while before we get a more acurate version, in might be worth it to use the current figure as a place holder. On the otherhand, I'd still be a sucker. :-\
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: David on November 26, 2006, 11:41 AM


im buying kashyyyk trooper, probably five, one to keep carded and four to open. you know, to have a lance.  8)

well, maybe one for now to stand alongside gree behind yoda only to get both heads chopped off in two seconds
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Gatillo on November 26, 2006, 02:10 PM
You are actually quoting youself?  Are you having a conversation by yourself then?

That is amazing, just amazing.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Artoo on November 26, 2006, 02:50 PM
Yes,Hasblo says they have no new plans RIGHT now. In 3+ years we'll probally be getting a new one. Hasblo knows clones of any kind fly off the pegs the moment they hit there (except GB clones). We'll be seeing new versions of clone dissapointments like Gree, Cody, Bacara or this guy before Hasbro's rights expire.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Roton7 on November 26, 2006, 06:53 PM
In 3+ years we'll probally be getting a new one.

I myself highly doubt that. In fact, I doubt that they'll EVER retool it to fix the minor inaccuracies.

But, that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 27, 2006, 09:37 AM
I think they will Roton, they do want to make money. At this point, they know they're going to sell this guy as an army builder and a year or two down the road when they retool him, they'll sell that many more. It's win, win as far as Hasbro's concerned.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: ruiner on November 27, 2006, 01:17 PM
I think the real kick in the nuts is the fact that we paid $10-12 for the exact same sculpt just a few months ago.

Things like this and the Shuttle piss me off to no end.

Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 27, 2006, 01:24 PM
I think the real kick in the nuts is the fact that we paid $10-12 for the exact same sculpt just a few months ago.

Which basicaly is a confession that we were being charged between $3 -$5 for a fake vintage card and a plastic blister.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: 212th Battalion on December 9, 2006, 11:59 PM
does any1 know when these guys will be availible bc i havent seen any of the new saga toys yet ive only seen the endor ones ::)
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: David on December 10, 2006, 12:54 PM
does any1 know when these guys will be availible bc i havent seen any of the new saga toys yet ive only seen the endor ones ::)

the first half of the final 22 (Wave 8) is out now but Wave 9 isnt out until January.  :(
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: 212th Battalion on December 10, 2006, 02:24 PM
does any1 know when these guys will be availible bc i havent seen any of the new saga toys yet ive only seen the endor ones ::)

the first half of the final 22 (Wave 8) is out now but Wave 9 isnt out until January.  :(
   
               thanks for letten me know that ;)
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Artoo on December 10, 2006, 04:26 PM
Any open picsw yet? I've only seen MOC ones up to this point.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Smartypants1635 on December 13, 2006, 09:46 PM
Check Yakface, jedistyle got ahold of a few
Title: Re: The "Final 22"
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 2, 2007, 03:27 PM
What's everyone's take on the Kashyyyk clone trooper?  I found some this morning at Wally and I kinda dig it.  Is it that different than the movie clone?  These pics show a big difference in the amound of pouches he's got on his belt.

Thoughts:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/Norga_Rotem/biker1.jpg)

(http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC/tsc065eliteback.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Final 22"
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 2, 2007, 03:30 PM
I guess the helmet is the biggest difference?

(http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC/tsc065eliteheadfr-tn.jpg)

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4Yen8NFHBsBICqjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12veub5ie/EXP=1170534558/**http%3A//www.starwars.com/databank/character/luminaraunduli/img/movie2_sm.jpg)

Title: Re: The "Final 22"
Post by: Jesse James on February 2, 2007, 03:37 PM
Yeah the helmet stands out...  from my POV he's still a decent figure and maybe even makes a good OT figure more than a prequal figure, but he's far from perfect and it's disappointing we won't have a truly accurate version fo the Kashyyyk clones, nor Gree, for seemingly quite a while.
Title: Re: The "Final 22"
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 2, 2007, 03:51 PM
So for the army builders out there, how many are you getting.  I know Anton is like myself, in that he assembles squads or platoons of figures.  I usually go for about 32-36 which is a platoon or 4 squads of 8-9 troops.

I think considering that the helmet rebreather and visors are so short vertically, I may just get 8-10 and hope they redo it someday.

What are y'all doing?
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Jesse James on February 2, 2007, 04:23 PM
Depending how many I find, I could see me snagging a dozen...  My theory is, when a new one is made (and I'm pretty sure it will be) I can just fold these into an OT group of Scouts, maybe a Sniper squad, and buy all new...

The repaint clones I'm really not going ape**** with.  Partly because I can't afford to, partly because I can't find much, partly because they're not film clones.  I could easily see me doing 20 of any given design but not beyond that.  20 would be my maximum and I'd likely fall short of it honestly.
Title: Re: The "Final 22"
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 2, 2007, 04:46 PM
So for the army builders out there, how many are you getting. 

For the ROTS clones, I keep each style down to a squad of nine, so with Gree as a leader, I'm picking up 8 of these for ROTS.

That said, because of the inaccuracy, I'm leaning toward picking up an additional squad of nine for my Special Teams Imperial Platoon.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Jesse James on February 3, 2007, 02:18 AM
He's pretty neat looking in person, I must admit...  I'm still torn on buying more but I might do as you are Anton, and get some for ROTS and some for an OT specialist unit too...  Nifty figure.  I still want an accurate one, and an accurate Gree.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Dan on February 3, 2007, 08:48 AM
I scored one of these with the final 5 this morning, and I like it too. I'm just afraid it is a lead in to more specially painted OT troops- oh wait, there is a black stormtrooper looking at me from my shelf.

But it is a neat looking figure.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: David on February 3, 2007, 11:16 AM
I scored one of these with the final 5 this morning, and I like it too. I'm just afraid it is a lead in to more specially painted OT troops- oh wait, there is a black stormtrooper looking at me from my shelf.

But it is a neat looking figure.

i like the black stormy, and it did appear in the comics.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: jedipurge on February 7, 2007, 12:19 PM
The more I look at this guy the more I like him.  That being said though, why not release him as some sort of Imperial special ops instead of a BARC 41st elite or whatever you want to call him?  Looking at him I feel really lucky that Hasbro just didn't repaint a snowtrooper in Redish maroon and grey and try to pass him off as a Galactic Marine.  ::)
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darth Slothus on February 7, 2007, 05:36 PM
When my son places it next to Gree and the ATRT Driver the 'Elite trooper' doesn't seem to fit in IMO. :-\

DS
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darth Broem on February 9, 2007, 09:25 AM
I finally found one the other day.  For me he looks a bit to "bright" colored.  The visor paint seems "bright" as well to me.  I still like it quite a bit.  I would like to buy a few more.  For some reason these scouts look bulkier than the OT versions...in the films I mean.  This figure seems to be "skinnier" than in ROTS.  Then again it is an OT sculpt I guess. 
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 9, 2007, 09:32 AM
Funny you would say that Broem, since the characters are CG, you would think that Hasbro could get the same color palette used for the model.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: DarthAcroyear on February 19, 2007, 09:28 PM
It's by no means perfect but a very cool figure nevertheless.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Dan on February 23, 2007, 07:43 AM
I found a couple of these at 5.00 at a Wally, so I nabbed them. They are good enough for that price anyway.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Jesse James on February 24, 2007, 01:12 AM
Hell almost any figure is good for that price. :)  One of the only things that kept me from being a routinely glowing reviewer in 2006 was $7+ figures all year.  Figures like Derlin, and others that are just "lacking" in much of anything positive are a lot more appealing at $5 than $7.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darby on February 24, 2007, 11:39 AM
I'm really glad (well, sort of) I was too poor to buy most figures in 2006, because I've been able to clean them up here in the last few months for half off or less.  The K-Mart sale at Thanksgiving and the TRU BOGO as well as some lucky ebay auctions really helped me out.  I just couldn't cut $7 a fig on ones like Jesse said, Derlin, or Gargra, etc.  I should also say the fact that Hasbro kept most of the line in circulation - to this point - also really helped.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Greg on February 24, 2007, 06:06 PM
I got three Elite Corps Clones today, bringing my total up to five. I like it when Hasbro takes an excellent figure, repaints it, and makes it better. The only thing that disappointed me was the lack of a rifle, but I'll fix that one day.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Nicklab on February 24, 2007, 06:41 PM
I'm up to 6 of these.  Not sure how much more I'm going to army build with this trooper though.  That might have more to do with just how scarce it's been at retail, though.

But I've definitely started to notice the stark differences in the Kashyyyk Trooper's uni and the Biker Scout that was repainted for this figure.  At first I thought that the helmet was the biggest difference.  But it also turns out that the boots are radically different as well.  In fact, the 41st Elite Trooper has the same boots as the Galactic Marine.  The other differences in the uni are negligible, but those really stand out.  Hopefully there is enough talk about this on the various message boards that Hasbro will take notice and make a proper 41st Elite Trooper in the next year or two.  Certainly there is a market for it as this version is selling well even as some of the other Clone Troopers have started to pegwarm a bit.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 26, 2007, 09:44 AM
But I've definitely started to notice the stark differences in the Kashyyyk Trooper's uni and the Biker Scout that was repainted for this figure.  At first I thought that the helmet was the biggest difference.  But it also turns out that the boots are radically different as well.  In fact, the 41st Elite Trooper has the same boots as the Galactic Marine.  The other differences in the uni are negligible, but those really stand out.  Hopefully there is enough talk about this on the various message boards that Hasbro will take notice and make a proper 41st Elite Trooper in the next year or two. 

Yeah, though I know that there are a lot more differences beyond the helmet, I try not to learn about them, otherwise I just become more and more disappointed. :-X
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 26, 2007, 06:37 PM
I've got 8 of these now, so I didn't go too ape**** yet.  When the new and improved Elite Corps clone does come out in a year or two or whenever it is, these guys will be the dead ones littering the beaches of Kashyyyk in the future diorama that I will undoubtedly build (considering I have close to 100 Preview Wookiees, top 10 figure all time!)
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Ben on February 27, 2007, 12:24 AM
I received my first of these today. I like it.

I wish I could find more of these at retail, since I'd like to get about two more (I'll have a total of three by the end of this week) since I'm sure that when Hasbro decides to do a proper version, it will be in a Battle Pack similar to the Skirmish in the Senate pack and the Shocktrooper.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 27, 2007, 08:27 AM
I'm sure that when Hasbro decides to do a proper version, it will be in a Battle Pack similar to the Skirmish in the Senate pack and the Shocktrooper.

They're not big on putting newly sculpted figures in battle packs.  It's usually reissues and repaints.  The Skirmish in the Senate Battle packs also did not have anything new about that SA clone #41, it was just repainted.

What we need in a new Elite Corps clone is proper boots, proper helmet, and all the goodies on the utility belt.  It's going to require a massive amount of sculpting, which makes me believe it's going to be a single carded figure.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: ruiner on February 27, 2007, 09:53 AM
Which make me believe this is as good as it will get.

You're too picky.

Edit:  And delete your sig - everytime I read it, I get that stupid song in my head.


Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 27, 2007, 02:36 PM
Which make me believe this is as good as it will get.

You're too picky.

Edit:  And delete your sig - everytime I read it, I get that stupid song in my head.




All of your wildest dreams will come true if you click here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIOE0MR99oM)
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Greg on February 27, 2007, 02:59 PM
Dressel Rebel, you have the greatest sig ever. Such a great song...
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Rob on March 5, 2007, 02:04 AM
I bought 3 of these guys and unless they want to make it more accurate, I'm done. 
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Jesse James on March 5, 2007, 03:05 AM
I got 2 more.

The appeal of a specialist squad of OT Troopers is growing on me so this figure grew on me...  I shoulda bought more of the others but didn't want to spend $7.  I dunno, the price really kills army building for me these days.  I want more engineers, they rock, and more AOTC Sergeants too, but just can't stand parting with the cash for more.

Appo I'd buy more of, but he's long gone any time I find "new" figures it seems.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Brian on March 5, 2007, 09:11 AM
I found a lone Elite Corps trooper at TRU this weekend, and happily picked it up.  I wouldn't mind getting another Appo or two, but I haven't seen one since the one I picked up early in the morning at Target a few weeks ago.  Aside from any other extras I might see (Elite Corps or Appo), I'm ready for the 30 AC stuff.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Diddly on March 5, 2007, 07:27 PM
I just recieved the two of these guys that I bought. I'm waiting for the accurate BARC troopers, but these make awesome specialty Biker Scouts like you guys have already said. This guy's a winner in my book.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Madcow on March 8, 2007, 10:29 AM
FINALLY, I found one of these yesterday and i'm liking it more every minute. I'm not a PT or Clone guy but the look of this is fantastic. The Biker Scout was always one of my favorite troopers so this is very cool...
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Rune Haako on March 10, 2007, 12:54 PM
I found two and passed on both of them, I'll wait until they correct it to buy it.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darth_Anton on March 14, 2007, 11:20 PM
Found the last ones I need for these guys today. My grand total is 17. 8 for Gree's Squad, 9 for an OT special teams squad.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Cyber 7306 on August 17, 2007, 01:35 PM
I found 2 Elite Corps Troopers and Endor Luke Skywalker at the thrigt store Goodwill mint in package for .99 cents.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: David on August 17, 2007, 02:31 PM
I found 2 Elite Corps Troopers and Endor Luke Skywalker at the thrigt store Goodwill mint in package for .99 cents.

Cool find! What a deal.  :o
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 31, 2007, 10:11 AM
Well, now that we're getting a proper Kashyyyk trooper, I've removed this particular one from my PT pile and will most likely put them up for trade.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: jedi_master_sal on November 2, 2007, 10:05 AM
I almost thought about trading them off.

Then I thought about the work it took to buld up that army. So, I figure, I'll use them as a different company from the same Legion. Call it upgraded armor. I'll still prolly have these in my Kashyyyk Diorama, just near the back in the less lit areas.

While I'm happy we are getting a corrected version, I almost wish Hasbro would have waited on this one another year of so. It would have taken some of the sting out of having to buy these all over again.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 3, 2007, 10:36 AM

While I'm happy we are getting a corrected version, I almost wish Hasbro would have waited on this one another year of so. It would have taken some of the sting out of having to buy these all over again.

Don't we all. Makes one wonder though, are the decision makers at Hasbro human, or creatures of business?
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2007, 01:04 AM
Do you honestly wonder that though Anthony?  I mean, I love a lot of what Hasbro does (not everything), but they really aren't people I feel I "owe" anything too either.  They're out to dick over anyone they can for a buck I think...  Maybe I'm a cynic.  I dunno...  I just don't "trust" any big corporation at this point, and given how long you and I have collected this stuff, I sure as hell don't trust Hasbro. :)

On a brighter note...

"The 41st Imperial Pathfinder Legion"

Nice ring to it, no?  :)  Eh, at least I think so.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 23, 2008, 06:50 PM
I feel this way about both the Elite Corps Trooper and Commander Gree - why didn't they just do these figures like the new 2008 versions in the first place?

Now with Gree coming out with SDA (super-duper articulation) - I am sure we'll be buying all of the clones and commanders all over again, only this time with ball-jointed wrists and hips.
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: Jayson on January 23, 2008, 09:49 PM
I feel this way about both the Elite Corps Trooper and Commander Gree - why didn't they just do these figures like the new 2008 versions in the first place?

Did you buy the first version? Will you buy the new version?

Case closed.  :P
Title: Re: Saga-065 Elite Corps Clone Trooper (aka BARC)
Post by: jedi_master_sal on January 24, 2008, 05:54 PM
I bought the old version when I thought we weren't going to get a film accurate one. Now that we are in both the ELite Clone and Gree's case, I'll get them.

The other Commanders are pretty well done. I'd get a new Bacara if he's SA or "SDA." But I don't think I'd need to buy an new Neyo, Bly or even Cody for just a scant more articulation. Those figs are most definitely good enough. So I know I won't be army building all over again. Cost me a small fortune the last time. I'm not willing to do it all over again for slight improvements.