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Re: Andor (SPOILERS possible)
« Reply #135 on: November 22, 2022, 09:16 AM »
In the early episodes, the very clunky and odd bit of data about Bee needing extra energy to lie was delivered, they made a little joke out of it. In this episode, they made mention of the fact that he has been charging constantly ever since Maarva died, they showed that he's actively charging with the indicator light on his face blinking, and he wouldn't even leave home when it was requested of him.

Is this a hint that Bee is lying about something? Is Maarva up to something/was up to something and now he feels obligated to finish it, or potentially his apparent grief is his clumsy attempt to act normal knowing that Maarva's death was faked?

This is a good catch.  I think you're on to something.  I don't want to speculate on my thoughts on what might happen if there is a plan in place that Bee is aware of.  Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow.

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« Reply #136 on: November 22, 2022, 02:07 PM »
So that was a collapsable walking stick and not a lightsaber?  It did look like it was wood, but it did look like a lightsaber hilt too.

It's a pepper grinder.

Someone found a closeup of the Black Series mural for Luthen.  It appears to be some kind of a knife.

But I share your disappointment, Matt.  It would have made for a fine pepper grinder.

BTW, did anyone else appreciate the designation of the Imperial cruiser as a Cantwell class ship?  It was nice to see designer Colin Cantwell get that kind of nod in the show.
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« Reply #137 on: November 22, 2022, 02:42 PM »

BTW, did anyone else appreciate the designation of the Imperial cruiser as a Cantwell class ship?  It was nice to see designer Colin Cantwell get that kind of nod in the show.


Also I absolutely loved the Cantwell-class Arrestor, specifically since they gave it that class. I remember seeing the model in one of the early 90's NF Star Wars books. (Lucasfilm Archives or something?) and thinking how different a take on the Star Destroyer it was. Never did I expect to see one made to fit the universe...and from what I understand this was just fortuitous for the show, since the 3D computer model used was built up for the Solo movie but the scene got cut (It is still in the film, but just barely in the recruitment hologram on Correlia.) So it was unique, and ready-to-go, and already paid for! Good budgeting! Now get Colin's Landspeeder into a show, somebody!

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« Reply #138 on: November 23, 2022, 11:35 AM »
No time for details, but damn the finale was amazing. Ferrix is now as important as any world in this story.

I am someone who like The Last Jedi, but I would say this is the kind of arthouse story Rian Johnson wished he had made.
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« Reply #139 on: November 23, 2022, 09:03 PM »
Iíll wait another day to post comments, but damn that was sweet.

Make sure you catch the end scene after the credits and before the international credits.

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« Reply #140 on: November 23, 2022, 09:51 PM »
I noticed Andor Episode 1 was being broadcast on ABC tonight.  I donít think Iíve ever seen Disney+ shows on cable or network TV.  I wonder if theyíre going to show the whole season or if theyíre using it as a teaser to try and pull people in to a Disney+ subscription.

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« Reply #141 on: November 23, 2022, 10:24 PM »
Too avoid spoilers for folks I won't say anything but....wow!
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« Reply #142 on: November 25, 2022, 03:48 AM »
I know it is early still... but man, Andor might be my favorite Disney-era show/movie, and it honestly is in the running for my favorite Star Wars media, period. I LOVED IT.
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« Reply #143 on: November 26, 2022, 09:36 AM »
I havenít been in here because after the three episodes on opening night I waited and binged it all this week. 

To me it isnít a question, itís hands down the best Star Wars since the original trilogy.  Itís serious and gritty and has gravitas.  Itís grappling with huge themes and concepts and archetypes without simultaneously trying to pander to the widest possible audience and age range.  The production value is sky high.  The performances are rock solid throughout on every level.  10 out of 10, perfection.  I canít wait until season two.


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« Reply #144 on: November 26, 2022, 09:59 PM »
Time magazine had an interesting writeup about the show talking about how this is the best Disney+ show theyíve made so far, but most people donít appreciate it.  Most of the Disney+ stuff is very kid oriented with lots of cameos, while Andor is adult oriented with no real cameos or obvious kid focus (with a cure character like Grogu).

I thought this show was 95% perfect.  I loved that there were no Jedi, and no Sith Lords, just regular people on both sides of the conflict.  I loved the story arcs and how Cassian went from a mercenary to a anti-imperial rebel volunteer.

The only thing that I thought wasnít perfect was the Aldhani story arc.  It really should have been tightened up and shortened by about 30%.   Some of that dragged too much, but ultimately I thought the other story arcs and the whole scope was really, really good.

Probably 400% better than BoBF.

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« Reply #145 on: November 27, 2022, 11:02 AM »
I have to say that the end of season 1 of ANDOR really delivered!  I was not sure what to expect of this series before it began.  And I was even more unsure after that first episode.  But the place setting for everything was done in such a painstaking way.  Characters were well written and developed.  And the whole three episode arc method really gave the show a series of milestones that built things up in an organic way.  So when we got to the final episode it came to that breaking point.

Building seemed to be a recurring theme of the series.  Luthen was building up his network of operatives and spies.  He was building up Cassian from a thief into an operative.  Vel Sartha was building up her team for the Aldhani raid.  Dedra Meero was building her career as a senior ISB officer. The Empire was unwittingly building resolve among the people of Ferrix with their oppressive tactics and callous disregard for the populace.  Cassian was LITERALLY building things along with the other inmates on Narkina 5.  And it seems that Luthen was trying to build an alliance between rebel factions.

I did not know what to expect from Fiona Shaw when I saw that she was cast in the series.  Maybe I still associated her with Harry Potter's mean aunt from those films.  But that speech in "Rix Road"?  She knocked that out of the park!  I just watched it again and it gave me the chills.

Luthen clearly achieved what he had set out to do with the Aldhani job.  He secured funding for the movement, and in the process he manipulated the Empire into showing who they really were.  There still appears to be no established Rebel Alliance.  But it seems like that's prime material for the next season.  And the seeds are clearly being planted.  The scene with the KX enforcer droid.  Melshi being imprisoned and escaping with Cassian.  And of course, that beautiful post credits scene!



BTW, did anyone else appreciate the designation of the Imperial cruiser as a Cantwell class ship?  It was nice to see designer Colin Cantwell get that kind of nod in the show.


Also I absolutely loved the Cantwell-class Arrestor, specifically since they gave it that class. I remember seeing the model in one of the early 90's NF Star Wars books. (Lucasfilm Archives or something?) and thinking how different a take on the Star Destroyer it was. Never did I expect to see one made to fit the universe...and from what I understand this was just fortuitous for the show, since the 3D computer model used was built up for the Solo movie but the scene got cut (It is still in the film, but just barely in the recruitment hologram on Correlia.) So it was unique, and ready-to-go, and already paid for! Good budgeting! Now get Colin's Landspeeder into a show, somebody!

I did.  :P

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« Reply #146 on: Today at 03:17 PM »
I watched the finale again and loved it even more the second time.

At first I thought Cassian's jump to the rebel cause and statement to Luthen to "kill him or take me in" was a little sudden/extreme, but re-watching the episode it was great to see his interactions with his friends on Ferrix, his visual responses to Maarva's speech, etc.  This all made a lot more sense on the second view.  I think originally Cassian was going to leave with Bix and his friends, but realized he couldn't keep running and hiding, and that he wanted to move to a more active participation mode in the Rebellion.

This was a fantastic, adult oriented Star Wars series.  I still like The Mandalorian and the more kid oriented content, but its great they can do something more serious and adult in the same universe.