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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Scott on July 18, 2007, 08:17 AM
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I started this thread to discuss HPatDH once you are done reading it...keeping it out of the more general movie and book thread. So as not to ruin it for anyone this weekend
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Good idea starting a separate thread, Scott. I've managed to stay spoiler free so far, but it's going to get tougher now that we're getting closer to the release date. It's going to be even tougher for me because I probably won't get a chance to read it for another couple of weeks as I'm finishing up another book and want to take tDH on vacation with me. Supposedly, the entire book's been leaked on the internet, causing quite a stir. It would suck if I ventured into a non-HP discussion and saw a spoiler. Just need to be cautious.
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Hey Snape Kills Hagrid and voldemort kills Hermione ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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And at the end, get this they blow up the deathstar !!!!
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My prediction is that it will be revealed that Neville is the REAL "chosen one", he will destroy both Harry and Voldemort, claim both of their powers, become the new Dark Lord, and destroy the entire planet in the midst of his madness. The end.
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I thought that the whole Neville contingency had been discussed and disregarded? It was the fact that Voldemort chose to attack Harry that branded Harry as the chosen one.
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I thought that the whole Neville contingency had been discussed and disregarded? It was the fact that Voldemort chose to attack Harry that branded Harry as the chosen one.
Oh, I'm sure it was ... but I was obviously joking.
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Finished it this morning. Pretty damn good. Easily the best of the series, bumping POA from its pedestal.
All in all, a pretty perfect, satisfying way to wind up the series.
For those who don't want to read it, but want to be in the know when people talk about it, here's what you need to know:
Harry dies.
Snape's good, but he dies.
Fred Weasley dies.
Remus Lupin dies.
Tonks dies.
Mad Eye Moody dies.
Dobby the House Elf dies.
Colin Creevey dies.
Hedwig dies.
Voldemort dies.
Bellatrix LeStrange dies.
George Weasley loses an ear.
Dumbledore comes back. Sort of. At least as much as Harry dies.
And here's my favorite line from the whole book (page 523):
Hermione: "Okay, Ron, come here so I can do you...."
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There are a couple things I don't get though, that maybe someone can help me out with.
Snape puts a phony sword of Gryffindor in Bellatrix's vault, and gets the real one to Harry. Ron then uses the real one to destroy the locket, but then Harry barders it to Griphook to get into Bellatrix's vault at Gringott's.
Harry gets the Hufflepuff cup, but Griphook makes off with the sword.
Then, at the end, when the Sorting Hat comes to Neville, Neville pulls the sword out and uses it to cut off Nagini's head.
I don't get it....
Did Griphook accidentally make off with the phony sword in the midst of all the chaos? Does the real sword go to whomever needs it, through the Sorting Hat? Anyone got this figured out?
And while I'm asking questions about stuff I don't get, how did Harry determine that one of the Horcrux's would be in Bellatrix's vault? That seemed a little...random, given the placement of the other Horcruxes.
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Finished it early this morning. Easily my favorite of the series. I almost cried when Hedwig died... Well, not really, but it was still sad to see him go.
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The Sorting Hat dies.
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Oh yeah...Crabbe dies.
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There are a couple things I don't get though, that maybe someone can help me out with.
Snape puts a phony sword of Gryffindor in Bellatrix's vault, and gets the real one to Harry. Ron then uses the real one to destroy the locket, but then Harry barders it to Griphook to get into Bellatrix's vault at Gringott's.
Harry gets the Hufflepuff cup, but Griphook makes off with the sword.
Then, at the end, when the Sorting Hat comes to Neville, Neville pulls the sword out and uses it to cut off Nagini's head.
I don't get it....
Did Griphook accidentally make off with the phony sword in the midst of all the chaos? Does the real sword go to whomever needs it, through the Sorting Hat? Anyone got this figured out?
And while I'm asking questions about stuff I don't get, how did Harry determine that one of the Horcrux's would be in Bellatrix's vault? That seemed a little...random, given the placement of the other Horcruxes.
Bellatrix was pretty shaken up that they had even been to the vault by the sign of the sword showing up...they put two and two together
As far as the sword, same way Harry got it in Chamber of Secrets. Neville needed it and got it from the hat...
I just finished it and it was by far the best book of a wonderful series. I see so much of all of the great modern mythology out there (LOTR, Narnia, Star Wars etc etc) in these books and the way she pulled everything together with no hanging or loose threads is absolutely amazing...something Lucas should have done a lot more of with the PT
I thought for sure Hagrid was going to bite it...about the time Hedwig blew up I was close to being right. But he made it :)
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For those who don't want to read it, but want to be in the know when people talk about it, here's what you need to know:
Harry dies.
Thanks for the info.
I never read any of the books and I very loosley follow the movies, but it's "good to know" that Harry died. The suspense was killing me..
Mind if I ask how since this is a spoiler thread and all?
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Harry's soul is the final Horcrux...he lets himself be "killed" by Voldemort. Through some good magic and pretty much the plot of the book, he comes back from the brink after a long talk with Dumbledore who explains everything (think Luke-Obi-Wan in Jedi) and prentends to be dead...he then duels Voldemort in the great hall and reflects the Adava curse back at Voldy killing him...
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There are a couple things I don't get though, that maybe someone can help me out with.
Snape puts a phony sword of Gryffindor in Bellatrix's vault, and gets the real one to Harry. Ron then uses the real one to destroy the locket, but then Harry barders it to Griphook to get into Bellatrix's vault at Gringott's.
Harry gets the Hufflepuff cup, but Griphook makes off with the sword.
Then, at the end, when the Sorting Hat comes to Neville, Neville pulls the sword out and uses it to cut off Nagini's head.
I don't get it....
Did Griphook accidentally make off with the phony sword in the midst of all the chaos? Does the real sword go to whomever needs it, through the Sorting Hat? Anyone got this figured out?
And while I'm asking questions about stuff I don't get, how did Harry determine that one of the Horcrux's would be in Bellatrix's vault? That seemed a little...random, given the placement of the other Horcruxes.
Bellatrix was pretty shaken up that they had even been to the vault by the sign of the sword showing up...they put two and two together
Okay, but then what's the significance of hiding one of the Horcruxes at Gringott's? I thought they were all hidden in magically significant places. Although, I guess it could be said that the deepest vaults of the Goblin bank were magically significant.
As far as the sword, same way Harry got it in Chamber of Secrets. Neville needed it and got it from the hat...
Okay, but then why bother having Griphook make off with the sword? I bet that once the Sorting Hat warped it back from Griphook, Griphook got uber-pissed. I think this officially qualifies as a loose end, in my book.
And oh yeah...Wormtail dies.
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So when do we find out that Voldemort was really Harry's father and Hermione was his sister?
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Wrong series.
(http://www.fvrl.org/kids/pictures/RIF_Eragon.jpg)
:P
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Oh yeah! I get it! ;D
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I liked the name of Harry's second son....and what he tells him on his way to his first year at Hogwarts. All in all, I was surprised at how well Rowling had tied up alot of things (and people) that I had forgotten about and only wonder whatever happened to that old bat Umbridge.
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I just finsihed it. It was good, but the overly happy epilogue was just over the top. Tpp happy for me. The rest of the book was good and a very quick read.
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So when do we find out that Voldemort was really Harry's father and Hermione was his sister?
Actually, it turns out that Harry and Voldemort were related, albeit distantly. If you believe Marvolo Gaunt. Gaunt claimed that the Gaunt's were decended from the family who made the Deathly Hallows, and Dumbledore said that Harry was decended from the youngest brother who made the cloak.
A pretty big loose end, unless I missed something in my reading, is that we never found out who else was at the Potter's house or in Godric's Hollow when Voldemort tried to kill Harry.
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Okay, but then what's the significance of hiding one of the Horcruxes at Gringott's? I thought they were all hidden in magically significant places. Although, I guess it could be said that the deepest vaults of the Goblin bank were magically significant.
Well first of all, Riddle didn't leave his Horcruxes in magically significant places....he left them in places that were significant to himself: his ancestors' home, the cave where he intimidated children from the orphanage, the secret room at Hogwarts....
Knowing that, the the answer you're looking for is on pg 491
"I don't know wheter he was ever inside Gringotts," said Harry. "He never had gold there when he was younger, because nobody left him anything. he would have seen the bank form the outside, though, the first time he ever went to Diagon Alley....I think he would have envied anyone who had a key to a Gringots vault. I think he'd ahve seen it as a real symbol of belonging to the Wizarding world. And don't forget, he trusted Bellatrix and her husband. They were hismost devoted servants before he fell, and they were looking for him after he vanished."
The loose end that remains for me is Lilly's Howler to Petunia from ....either GOF or HBP, don't recall. "REMEMBER MY LAST, PETUNIA!"
Oh well.
Excellent book!
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I thought Dumbledore sent that Howler and it was explained...maybe not though
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maybe....i don't remember
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That howler was explained in OOTP. Dumbledore sent it to Petunia to remind her of her promise to allow Harry to live there every summer, and thus renewing the protection charm on him.
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Finished the book this afternoon. It was incredible! What a way to end the series.
Harry's sacrifice shed so much light on how Lily sacrificed herself for Harry at Godric's Hollow. And Harry's choice to go back and finish Voldemort was really inspiring, especially with the way he was able to protect everyone at Hogwart's.
Snape's story was honestly kind of sad. He became so much more of a sympathetic figure when Harry took his thoughts and viewed them through the Pensieve. We all knew that Dumbledore trusted Snape, but to finally know why was good. It just seemed so tragic, but he did the right thing in the end.
Neville shone so much despite his few appearances in the book. Leading the resistance against the Carrows at Hogwarts, and keeping the DA going. His Gran coming to help out with the defense of Hogwarts. And then to have Neville draw the sword of Griffindor from the sorting hat, and destroy the final Horcrux, Nagini? Neville truly lived up to his family name. And for him to become the professor of Herbology at Hogwarts seemed perfect.
Most of all? I'm happy to see that JK Rowling has left the possibility of revisiting the wizarding world open. Certainly the stakes will probably never be as high in future stories, but I'm sure there might be a wealth of stories left for the future.
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Just finished it last night. I ended up staying up until 2am, I just couldn't put it down.
I loved just about everything in the book. I think it was a very fitting end to the entire Saga. I was probably most pleased that Snape was confirmed to be on the good side. I just didn't want to believe he was so evil - he was one of my favorite characters in the whole series (and this coming from someone who doesn't gravitate towards the villians!).
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Its nice to finally join in this thread now, I've been avoiding it until I could finish up. Its tougher to find chances to read with a new baby in the house :P. Anyways, finished it up yesterday afternoon, and I really enjoyed it. I can say that I've liked all of the books in this series very much, and I think I liked this one the most. Everything was wrapped up nicely, the action seemed almost non-stop, and I even liked the epilogue as well - a view of the future of the main characters.
I kept waiting for Snape to be revealed as "actually being good", and it took awhile. I liked his story though, very tragic, as was mentioned earlier. The revelations about Dumbledore's past were a bit surprising, and there sure were a lot of deaths. I'm curious how this one will end up when its brought to the theaters - there's so much to fit into a movie, so many deaths, and a definite darker tone. It was nice to see Neville turn out to be such a hero as well. I kind of thought we might end up seeing more of a "heroic turn" from Malfoy (Draco) than we did, although he wasn't as eeeevil as he was in the past. Like others have said, it was a book I just couldn't put down either. I'd stay up late reading it, even though I was dog-tired, and just didn't want to stop. I don't know that I've ever enjoyed reading books more than I have these - kind of bitter sweet to see them end.
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I'm in line with everyone else that Rowling did an excellent job of tying the entire story together, when she could have easily mailed this one in with a half-hearted effort. POA has always been my favorite of the series, but I think this one has overstepped it for tops overall.
My only loose end that I wish they would have cleared up was who ended up as Headmaster after Snape. I guess McGonagall would be the logical choice, but would have been nice to know for sure.
All in all I can't wait to see this on the big screen, this one in particular should translate to a movie VERY well. It does make me a little less excited about see HBP, only because that feels like a backstory now leading up to TDH. It's just a little harder to get excited about it now, knowing how much I'll be looking forward to the final movie.
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All in all, I was surprised at how well Rowling had tied up alot of things (and people) that I had forgotten about and only wonder whatever happened to that old bat Umbridge.
I thought that, too. There was no mention of her when the Ministry had fallen and she never showed up to the battle. Is it to be presumed that she died along with Scrimegour (sp?) when the Death Eaters took over?
That was a great book. Those that predicted that Harry died were both right... from a certain point of view. ;) Sad to see Fred die as he was half of the comic duo. I figured that it'd be Charlie, Arthur, or Bill to die in the Weasley family. Glad to see Percy make it back, too. It was also interesting to see that Crabbe and Goyle were no longer Malfoy's flunkies.
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cross-posting here and GH in the hope of an explanation...
Something that's bothering the crap out of me...it's minor, and yet so glaring....
In the chapter "The Ghoul in Pajamas" or something like that, when Hermione and Ron are telling Harry the lengths they've gone to to protect their families, Hermione says that she performed memory charms on her parents to make them think they were from Australia and had no daughter.
Later, in "A Place to Hide," after the diner battle they decide to perform a memory charm on their attackers to clean up behind them....she says she's never done one but knows the theory.
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Did she actually say she did the memory charms on her parents or did she say that she had them done on them (by a member of the Order)?? Not having the book here I'm just asking
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Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_en_ot/potter_s_afterlife) has posted an article where J.K. Rowling discusses what the future held for a number of the characters from the Potter universe - things that weren't detailed in the epilogue. Spoilers present for those who haven't read the book yet. If anyone saw her interview on Dateline on Sunday, she discussed some of this there as well. I'll post it below
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SPOILER ALERT: Those who do not wish to know what happens to the characters after the book ends should stop reading here.
Rowling said the world was a sunnier, happier place after the seventh book and the death of Voldemort.
Harry Potter, who always voiced a desire to become an Auror, or someone who fights dark wizards, was named head of the Auror Department under the new wizarding government headed by his friend and ally, Kingsley Shacklebolt.
His wife, Ginny Weasley, stuck with her athletic career, playing for the Holyhead Harpies, the all-female Quidditch team. Eventually, Ginny left the team to raise their three children — James, Albus and Lily — while writing as the senior Quidditch correspondent for the wizarding newspaper, the Daily Prophet.
Harry's best friend Ron Weasley joined his brother, George, as a partner at their successful joke shop, Weasley's Wizard Wheezes. Hermione Granger, Ron's wife and the third person of the series' dark wizard fighting trio, furthered the rights of subjugated creatures, such as house elves, in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures before joining the magical law enforcement squad. The couple had two children — Rose and Hugo.
Luna Lovegood, Harry's airily distracted friend with a love for imaginary animals who joins the fight against Voldemort in the Order of the Phoenix, becomes a famous wizarding naturalist who eventually marries the grandson of Newt Scamander, author of "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them."
And what Muggle, or non-wizard, song would have been played at the funeral of Albus Dumbledore, the most brilliant and talented wizard the world had ever known?
"Surely 'I Did It My Way' by Frank Sinatra," Rowling told her fans, referring to the song "My Way," written by Paul Anka but popularized by Sinatra, among other singers.
As the chat wrapped up, Rowling thanked readers for their loyalty to the series.
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I finished the book last Thursday standing in line at Comic-Con. Loved it. Fred's death probably effected me the most as George and Fred were among my favorite characters. Though, his death wasn't one of the parts that chocked me up. I got chocked up when everybody was showing up at Hogwarts to fight and pretty much the entire last chapter. Albus Severus, come on, if you're not leaking eye fluid reading those two words, you're a robot.
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Zoltar, Doyou really think VOldemort would make Harry A horcrux??
Maybe, but not intentionally. Maybe his soul has been so damaged from all the killing it just kind of happened. He's the only wizard that has made more than one horcrux.
It was just a theory. I was kind of wondering why Harry was being written as so moody and dark, and that JK made sure the reader knew that. I think it was a foreshadowing of something bad.
SPOILERS!!!!!!!
I told you so... ;D
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Just finished it.
There's not much to say... I wish there was more - these books have been coming out for 10 years now. It's very weird to think that it's over.
As for the book - I think it was pretty much perfect.
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I finished the book and though I enjoyed the series, I found Harry himself to be somewhat of a boring character. Harry besides being an a typical moody teenager, doesn't really change or grow in the series. Harry's destiny is to confront Voldemort and defeat him, and in the end, he does just that. Snape is my favorite character and in the end, is released from his torment and by his actions by dying. Snape faces himself and has to come to terms with what Sirrus says about our choices making us who we are. What choice does Harry have? He is destined, predestined even, to defeat Voldemort and he does it. Can someone help me to see where Harry ever doubts his mission and his destiny? Snape choices reveal that he is human and that his choices make him who he is. Harry on the other hand, never doubts his mission/destiny, never confronts his own weaknesses and sins, and for that reason I think Harry is less than a mythic hero.
When comparing Harry to hero's like TH. White's Wort/King Arthur, Beowulf, Frodo, and other legendary mythic heros (I am thinking of famous Greek mythic heros also) Harry doesn't ever have to face his own humanity, his own weaknesses and limitations. All Harry really has to do is to figure out the riddle and then defeat the Master Riddle, Tom Riddle.
Again, I really enjoyed the series but still find some critical findings on the main character.
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Snape is the most tragic part of the whole series for me.
Misunderstood his whole life and then killed over nothing. Hated by so many people, but just undercover...
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You know What I noticed?? It said the event where His parents died was in '81, so 17 years later would be 1998 so this last book took place in 98 :-\ Kinda odd, Since the date had not been mentioned yet, you might think that she would have tried to tie the story in to end in the year 2007 and that his parents died in 90. Oh well.
And to all of you who came up with the horcrux theory, thank you. I got much joy gloating over my sister when she refused to believe me, and it turned out to be true. ;)
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The time period HP takes place in has been known since Chamber of Secrets because of Nearly Headless Nick's death day party. Granted, Rowling didn't come out and say the exact date, but simple math established the time line.
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Hmmm, I forgot about the death day party. He mentioned a specific year in time?
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It mentioned that Nick died in 1492 and Nick tells Harry that this coming Halloween would be his 500th deathday.
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You know What I noticed?? It said the event where His parents died was in '81, so 17 years later would be 1998 so this last book took place in 98 :-\ Kinda odd, Since the date had not been mentioned yet, you might think that she would have tried to tie the story in to end in the year 2007 and that his parents died in 90. Oh well.
And to all of you who came up with the horcrux theory, thank you. I got much joy gloating over my sister when she refused to believe me, and it turned out to be true. ;)
JKR has been detailing dates on her website for quite some time. Harry was born in 1980, so this book took place in 1997 to 1998 and the epilogue actually takes place in our future since it was 19 years later I believe. The books even show the year 2000 hype by Nimbus labeling their "newest" broom the 2000 when it came out in 1990.
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Well I Havn't read the earlier books in a few years, but man I guess I missed all those subtle hints :-[
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Does it really matter, what year(s) the story takes place? JKR was careful not to litter the books with too many pop culture references, which would have dated them (see the Shrek movies). Throw out the 1492 mention, and the story sounds like it could be present day, and it just as easily sounds like it could have taken place a hundred years ago, or a hundred years from now. It's really kind of a timeless story.
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Does it really matter, what year(s) the story takes place? JKR was careful not to litter the books with too many pop culture references, which would have dated them (see the Shrek movies). Throw out the 1492 mention, and the story sounds like it could be present day, and it just as easily sounds like it could have taken place a hundred years ago, or a hundred years from now. It's really kind of a timeless story.
i seem to recall Dudley playing "Playstation" in one of the books. that was kinda stupid. but i agree otherwise.
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i seem to recall Dudley playing "Playstation" in one of the books. that was kinda stupid. but i agree otherwise.
Yeah, I thought I remembered a PlayStation reference, but that's just about the only one. And "PlayStation" means the same thing today that it did ten years ago, and, knowing Sony, it'll still mean the same thing ten years from now. PlayStation 5, by that point, I suppose. Twelve thousand dollars.
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Yeah, I thought I remembered a PlayStation reference, but that's just about the only one.
It was in Goblet of Fire... Dudley's PlayStation (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/timelines/essays/timeline-facts.html#Playstation).
Nice to see the HP nerds can get mired in continuity like everyone else... :)
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Yeah, I thought I remembered a PlayStation reference, but that's just about the only one. And "PlayStation" means the same thing today that it did ten years ago, and, knowing Sony, it'll still mean the same thing ten years from now. PlayStation 5, by that point, I suppose. Twelve thousand dollars.
ah, but did it mean the same thing it did one hundred years ago, as you claim?
take that. score one for incredibly nerdy nitpickers united.
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This has already been mentioned over in the Forbidden Zone (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=15854.msg329182#msg329182), but I think it deserves a mention here, as well:
JKR: Dumbledore was totally into butt sex (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/20/AR2007102000186.html)
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It never crossed my mind. Seems like a cheap way to keep Harry potter in the news.
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She Pulled this outta no where. Like you said, its just a publicity stunt to keep Harry in the news.
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Could be a publicity stunt, could be from a more tolerant culture....
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I've read all the books and saw nothing that would lead me to believe this is more than just some sotr of publicity stunt. And a stupid one at that.
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Sounds like she needs some attention. Unless she writes a prequel to the series that explores that aspect , it really doesn't matter. She should have taken it a step further and said he was also a serial killer or that Harry's parents and their friends were really evil and Voldemort was really good.
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The Dumbledore thing seems more of a reaction to the script for HBP than anything else. I'm surprised that no one else had said something previously when she marked up the script. In the books, Dumbledore never had any close female relationships. I would have to reread his letter to Grindlewald to see if there was anything in that letter that could lead one to this conclusion. I doubt this is really a publicity stunt, there are two more movies to be released so there is no need to pull something like this at this point.
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Makes you wonder just how "close" Dumbledore was friends with Nicholas Flamel..... ;D
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Sounds like J.K. Rowling is releasing a Potter-related book, "The Tales of Beedle the Bard" (http://omg.yahoo.com/rowling-completes-post-harry-potter-book/news/3619) as mentioned in Deathly Hallows. Good luck getting one though, apparently only 7 copies are being printed (for charity mainly).
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If i was a big fan i would be very much annoyed with that. Why write soemthing and not release it to the fans. Its cool about the charity, donating the hand made one but release a regular version so the fans that gave you millions can read it.