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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => Shadows of the Dark Side => Topic started by: Jesse James on March 17, 2011, 09:17 PM
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Just thought this would be fun to discuss... Make up whatever, between Ultimate or regular packs, kind of trying to stay within the basic guidelines Hasbro has set with BP's in past precedents.
Right off the bat...
-Yavin War Room... New Dodonna, Yavin Technician Commander (Tech with the Fleet trooper style tan shirt) w/headset, Leia (or Fleet Trooper Head variant), & light-up War Room Table (or swap out one of the previous figures for the table).
-Yavin Ceremony... Proper Ceremony Han, Ceremony Luke with proper skin color, Ceremony Leia (would be nice, but it'd be a new figure I'd assume), Rebel Officer (Honor Guard with new head & hat, more brown color).
-Yavin Base... 2x Fleet Trooper (2 Head Variants), Crow's Nest Accessory, Hangar Technician w/Light Wands & Han's Money/Box dealies
-Death Star Escape... VOTC Han w/Stormtrooper Belt ala the new Luke, Repack new Vintage Luke, Chewbacca w/Stormtrooper blaster rifle, Leia
I'm always up for weird ideas... This kind of popped into my head thanks to some other Battlepack talk, so share what you're thinking too. Realistic packs aren't really likely anyway, but it's fun to speculate.
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Detention Block Rescue: Luke and Han in Stormtrooper disguises with ball jointed hips, Imperial security officer (accurate one with holster), Death Star Trooper (one that sucks less).
Bespin Junk Room Rescue: Ugnaught (new head sculpt), "white" IG-88, Chewbacca, C-3PO in pieces.
Rebel Briefing (ROTJ): Rebel Officer, Mon Mothma update, Admiral Ackbar (new more opened mouthed head sculpt), another one of those Dressellians or somebody or maybe that nifty center table that's too big to make.
Jabba Palace Scuffle: Luke Skywalker, Gammorean Guard, Ishi Tibb, Beedo
Geonosian Defense: Geonosian warrior, sonic cannon (they never made), Geonosian drone
Yavin Briefing with the four guys in the front row. :P
(http://i52.tinypic.com/otpuo2.jpg)
Never noticed that sinister black astromech back there.
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Hey, this is a cool topic. SO the first thing that popped into my head is this:
Tatooine Dune Sea Conflict - with two of the VSC Tuskens, repack of one of the recent R2's, either a Luke or Obi-wan and possibly a NEW Tatooine damaged C-3PO.
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Meh, something with NO re-packs would really be more of a step in the right direction, IMO. 4 all new figures.
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(FYI - My BP sets are pure collector indulgence)
Imperial Curfew on Mos Eisley
- Ackmena
- Y'Bith
- Ket Maliss
- Solomahal
Officers of the Empire
- Scanning Crew with V2 Head and Crate
- Admiral Ozzel (Needa body with a new head, choke hand and badge)
- Death Star Trooper (Gray + New head)
- Imperial Officer (Scanning Crew member in all Black)
Shadows of the Empire
- Vintage Luke Jedi with new Vest
- Leebo
- Snoova
- Lando in Imperial Armor
(Assuming the RS Curto Confirmation rumor of Guri and Dash coming this year)
Yavin Ceremony
- Leia Ceremony
- Luke Yavin (New head and actual skin color)
- Chewbacca (Screaming Tin pack version witout Snow deco)
- Han ceremony (Corrected)
Fighting Facial Hair of the Rebellion
- General Bob Hudsol
- General Jan Dodonna
- Porkins
- Biggs Pilot (On taller SA X-Wing body)
Life Day
- Chewbacca (early bird) with soft goods red robe
- Lumpy
- Maala
- Itchy
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Meh, something with NO re-packs would really be more of a step in the right direction, IMO. 4 all new figures.
Which is highly unlikely given the precedents set by Hasbro for battlepacks... You usually get repaints, some new parts on an old body, etc. If new basics are $8.99 each, and battlepacks are $25-ish... It's kind of unrealistic to expect 4 new figures in a set.
That's part of the purpose of the topic... Creative thinking to make something people (or at least collectors) want, which also fits precedents for battlepacks like re-using molds, limited new tooling, etc.
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That's part of the purpose of the topic... Creative thinking to make something people (or at least collectors) want, which also fits precedents for battlepacks like re-using molds, limited new tooling, etc.
I will revise my sets to fit this....
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Hmm, let's see here.
Battle of Geonosis:
- Episode II Clone (TVC or Legends)
- Super Battle Droid (from the Target Geonosis sets)
- Geonosian Warrior (from Target 2 packs)
- Battle Droid or Droideka
Assault on Endor:
- VOTC Stormtrooper
- VTSC Biker Scout
- TVC Rebel Commando
- Generically painted Ewok
Flee from Hoth:
- Beardless Hoth Rebel Soldier (x2)
- Snowtrooper (x2)
Escape from Docking Bay 94:
- VOTC Han
- Sandtrooper (x2)
- Garindan (kitbash using TSC upper body and legs from one of the newer Jedi Lukes)
Bespin Hallway Shootout:
- TVC Bespin Luke
- TVC R2-D2
- TVC Boba Fett
- Lt. Sheckill (Captain Needa with new head)
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Their packs would probably rise to $40 a pop nowadays.
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I'm all for packs of 4 new figures, dont' get me wrong, but it just strikes me as kind of unrealistic thinking is all... Hasbro's not going to deliver 4 new figures for anything much short of $40 because that's the basic line's price.
I can see 1 all-new figure per pack, maybe.
But look at the Resurgence of the Jedi pack for what I think Hasbro actually tries to give you... A good Ben, a repaint of R2 people wanted, a decent accessory or extra figure, and the partially new Luke. And people loved it.
The Endor sets are sort of similar too... And as sets go, I was into those ones, but they didn't do so well. The days of new figures in battlepacks are dead though... It's cool to think about what we could get though, it just isn't even in the realm of possibility of happening it seems. :-\ Unless the prices stay the same and packs go to 3 figures a set... Even then, they're still cheaper than 3 new basic figures, which leads me to believe even that scenario ain't likely to hit shelves any time soon.
Now a pack of new figures as some kind of high-priced exclusive? I can buy that a little more... Especially if it's something Hasbro could break up and sell individually down the road.
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Their packs would probably rise to $40 a pop nowadays.
That's true, huh... TVC figures are more or less $11 these days, with SL and TCW close behind at around $10... yup, BPs aren't worth it to me anymore, especially considering they're mostly rehashed garbage... now, if Hasbro manages to pull off another set like "Resurgence of the Jedi" or the "Yavin Scramble", then I'll (ever reluctantly) spend the money.
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You usually get repaints, some new parts on an old body, etc. If new basics are $8.99 each, and battlepacks are $25-ish... It's kind of unrealistic to expect 4 new figures in a set.
That's part of the purpose of the topic... Creative thinking to make something people (or at least collectors) want, which also fits precedents for battlepacks like re-using molds, limited new tooling, etc.
Ok, repaints and kitbashing is the next best thing to "new" so that would be fine w/me. I just don't want to see any more straight repacks of previously carded figures, which I realize is not the direction they are heading with these things.
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I'd prefer the same, but with Clone Wars (that's why I was aiming this more at the Vintage/realistic audience), they're selling to kids... A "theme" in a box is what they're going for, generally. That, or army building Clones... But usually it's that theme. Hasbro calls it a "play pattern". Something that makes a nice tidy gift, basically.
For realistic packs, I think Resurgence is a grand example... I'm wondering if we'll ever see anything like the Yavin set. That's maybe the last time I can think of a totally new figure gracing a pack at all.
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I'd prefer the same, but with Clone Wars (that's why I was aiming this more at the Vintage/realistic audience), they're selling to kids... A "theme" in a box is what they're going for, generally. That, or army building Clones... But usually it's that theme. Hasbro calls it a "play pattern". Something that makes a nice tidy gift, basically.
For realistic packs, I think Resurgence is a grand example... I'm wondering if we'll ever see anything like the Yavin set. That's maybe the last time I can think of a totally new figure gracing a pack at all.
Nah, there have been a few new figures in Battle Packs this year. The Soda Can droid and ARC Troopers were both totally new. Granted, they were Clone Wars figures, but they were released in the BP assortment. Now it seems like we're back to repacks until the next "big" product push... hopefully we'll see some new stuff included in BPs.
Another thing to remember about the Scramble on Yavin set is that a lot of other BPs also included new figures and/or accessories. Jabba the Hutt, the Gunship Pods, the fat Trandoshan guy, and the AT-TE tank gunner were released in Battle Packs around the same time. So it seems like new stuff in Battle Packs happens in small bursts.
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Some new, but realistic is in the tank, and I wonder if some of those packs weren't intended for something closer to when they were more relevant, like the Christophsis set. I really would love seeing a return to some interesting realistic sets... Was thinking today how nice it'd be to get some kind of Taun-Taun set. It seemed like a neat way to introduce beasts into the line... almost the only way really, without a special packaged item that'd likely wind up being an exclusive.
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The beasts didn't really get a fair shake in the BP assortment. There were what, 2 sets with creatures? The TRU set with the Tauntaun, Luke, and Wampa wasn't bad for newer collectors like myself, but it was an exclusive that was competing with a few better sets. The Gelagrub set was an awful value with a creature that may or may not have been in one of the films.
I think if done correctly, a Tauntaun set would do pretty well. I'd like to see a new Tauntaun with a couple of repacked Rebel Soldiers, or Han or Luke's Tauntaun with the appropriate rider and a Rebel or droid (maybe R-3PO using a BAD sculpt?)
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Here's what I've got for...
EPISODE I
DROID CONTROL SHIP
-Qui-Gon Jinn
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
-2 x Security Battle Droids
-Blast Door with lightsaber damage lighting
BATTLE OF THEED
-Queen Amidala (SA, new)
-Naboo Royal Guard (SA, new)
-2 x Battle Droids
-Destroyer Droid
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Here are some packs that I'd like to see...
AotC Troop Builder Set 1:
2x VC45 Clone Trooper
1x VC45 Clone Trooper (officer)
1x VC45 Clone Trooper (officer)
(ship half with blue/green and half with red/yellow)
Realistic/Movie CW Box Set:
1x Captain Rex (kit bash using VC Fordo)
1x Cad Bane (kitbash using the 2011 Cad Bane)
1x Ahsoka Tano [NEW]
1x Anakin (VC13 repaint with regular eyes)
"This is No Cave" Set:
1x the new VC Bespin Han with breathing mask
1x VC Hoth Leia with breathing mask
1x a quality Chewbacca with breathing mask
1x Mynock [NEW] (preferably with articulated wings)
'Screwed Over by Lando' Set:
1x the new VC Bespin Han
1x VOTC Chewie with [NEW] cargo net and ESB head
1x BAD C-3PO in ESB colors
1x Bespin Leia [NEW]
(and toss in the 30AC Torture Rack if there's room)
"You Are Free of the Carbonite" Set:
1x Saga'06 Boushh/Leia
1x VOTC Chewbacca with [NEW] capture chain
1x Saga'06 Carbonite Han with [NEW] arms
1x [NEW] Carbonite Block with LED/light-up feature
"The Set to Annoy Brent" Set:
1x AT-ST Ewok #1
1x AT-ST Ewok #2
1x Lumat
1x Wompus
2x VC41 Stormtroopers
"Life Day" Set:
1x Early Bird Chewbacca
1x Itchy [NEW]
1x Malla [NEW]
1x Lumpy [NEW]
Jeff's Marvel Comics Star Wars #15 Fantasy Pack (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_15:_Star_Duel):
1x vOTC Han Solo with Yellow Space Gear
1x Crimson Jack [NEW]
1x Jolli [NEW]
1x Yellow Spacetrooper [NEW]
I love thinking up this stuff - I could keep going all day... eventually I'd find more that don't have to do with Han. :P
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Ok, I'll play... I'll pick one for each film, things that I think collectors and kids might like.
TPM - Battle of Naboo
- Battle Droid (Legacy, tan)
- Destroyer Droid (TAC)
- Gungan Warrior (TAC)
- Kaadu (SAGA2 TRU exclusive)
AOTC - Geonosis
- Clone Trooper (VC #45 - white)
- Clone Trooper (VC #45 - red)
- Coleman Trebor (Legacy Target exclusive)
- Pablo Jill (POTC)
ROTS - Battle of Utapau
- Clone Trooper (VC #45 - NEW Phase 2 helmet)
- Clone Trooper (VC #45 - NEW Phase 2 helmet)
- Magna Guard (VC #18)
- Battle Droid (Legacy, tan)
ANH - Death Star Control Room
- Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper mold, Legacy Spacetrooper helmet)
- Han Solo (Stormtrooper mold, Legacy Spacetrooper helmet)
- C-3PO (B.A.D. mold)
- R2-D2 (B.A.D. mold)
ESB - Bespin Torture
- Darth Vader (VC 08)
- Boba Fett (VC 09)
- Han Solo (VC Wave 7)
- Torture Rack
ROTJ - Sail Barge Battle
- Gamorrean Guad (VC #21)
- Giran (TAC)
- Princess Leia (TAC Slave)
- Luke Skwalker (VC #23)
I went with primarily repacks here because it's so rare to get anything truly new in these sets. I have no doubt these would sell pretty well, but with figures of that quality, I'm afraid we'd see a rise in the cost... maybe up to $28-$30 depending on where you shop. Would it be worth that for better sets?
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Some good set ideas...
I was thinking a new Taun-Taun set would be awesome... New Taun-Taun, and they release 3 packs over time.
Each comes with 2 figures besides the beast.
-Han Taun-Taun... This one features VTSC Han with softgoods skirt piece and retooled legs. If they included both Han heads, that'd be outstanding. Second figure, an army builder... A repaint of the "Deck Officer" figure coming up, or maybe the scarfed helmet Hoth Trooper repainted?
-Luke Taun-Taun... Taun-Taun gets a head change to be accurate, and comes with a New Luke (which I'd assume would be out in the basic line first so it'd be re-used here). A "damaged" head for Luke would be nice maybe if the carded version is "clean" and assuming the figure will have ball-jointed hips from the get-go of course. Again, pack-in a Deck officer or Hoth Trooper repaint... though a spirit of Obi-Wan ala the Anakin Spirit from the 30AC would probably go a long way with people.
-Rebel Scout Taun-Taun... Taun-Taun like above with non-broken horns, retooled legs on a Hoth Rebel Trooper so he can ride the Taun-Taun, and maybe Bren Derlin or General Riekean with better articulation at the limbs, or possibly another trooper... An army building HOth Rebel pack would be really neat.
-Hoth Cannon... A pack ala the Yavin Hangar set, retooled or repainted Troopers & the Hoth Cannon from the cut footage.
-Docking Bay 94... A repaint of the new Jabba figure, Han Solo VOTC with maybe some "dusty boots" or something, and one of Jabba's gooney human henchmen. Pointy hat guy gets my vote first I think.
I think for larger accessories or beasts, like the Taun-Tauns, I'd be be more inclined to pay $30... For a repaint like Jabba, I'm not so sure. I'd want maybe a 2nd goon to pay $30 for that.
I think I could sit and come up with sets, all-new or re-using parts, all day too... Battlepacks are something I think Hasbro really has mismanaged to some degree. Yet at the same time, some of the cooler sets sort of did poorly, like the Endor sets... I thought those were good.
Speaking of Endor...
-Ewok Catapult... 2 generic Ewoks, an AT-ST Driver, a jumpsuit wearing Death Star Trooper, and an Ewok catapult accessory. If they have the vintage mold I'd be completely happy seeing that re-used even. Something new would be nice. That may be 1 figure too much, but the big accessories, to me, are only good if they're complex and/or new. If they're re-using anything it's diminished in its value in my eyes somewhat.