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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => The Last Jedi => Topic started by: Nicklab on July 27, 2017, 09:22 PM
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Very cool report from Yakface about a TLJ playset (http://yakfaceforums.com/main/2017/07/27/rumor-report-the-last-jedi-playset/).
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What!? No Snoke's Private Office and Lavatory stackable playset? A failure and Hasblow doesn't understand collectors or love $. They just want the line to fail!
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Seriously this will be met with much rage I feel sure.
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It's ironic that fans of toys can so completely lose sight of what makes them fun for kids.
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I hope this thing looks better than it sounds. Sounds expensive and gimmickie. That's a word.
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The only problem I have with it is that it should just be a playset. It doesn't need to "transform" into anything else. Just my two cents though.
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Reminds me of the Episode One R2-D2 carry case/playset.
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I'm curious to see how it turns out. I like this kind of thing, so it sounds fun to me. Don't how exciting a Star Destroyer bridge is (I kind of turned the vintage one into a flying barge or something as a kid) but we'll see.
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I'm curious to see how it turns out.
Same. Holding off judgment until we know what exactly it is and how much it's gonna cost.
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If the Star Destroyer bridge looks good, I'll get it for that. I'll also need SA FO officers and crew to man it!
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You will get Hux, and he'll be 5poa and you'll like it! :P
Seriously I'm not banking on greatness here, but I think for kids it'll probably be pretty fun. I hope the adult collectors get that, but I bet not. In the meantime I'll enjoy my GTP Space Walls thank you very much!
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I'm hopeful that this might be interesting. Info is going to be coming out in dribs and drabs before Force Friday. It's just wait and see at this point.
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It's ironic that fans of toys can so completely lose sight of what makes them fun for kids.
Does something converting into a big version of something mostly unrelated to it make a fun toy? Maybe BB-8 rolls around a Star destroyer a lot in the film, but even if he does, what use is a large BB-8 in regards to other Hasbro toys?
I mean, if we'd have had a C-3PO bust that turned into the Emperor's throne room....we'd have appreciated the throne troom, maybe, but even as kids we would wonder what the point of the "giant" 3PO was.
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It's ironic that fans of toys can so completely lose sight of what makes them fun for kids.
Does something converting into a big version of something mostly unrelated to it make a fun toy? Maybe BB-8 rolls around a Star destroyer a lot in the film, but even if he does, what use is a large BB-8 in regards to other Hasbro toys?
I mean, if we'd have had a C-3PO bust that turned into the Emperor's throne room....we'd have appreciated the throne troom, maybe, but even as kids we would wonder what the point of the "giant" 3PO was.
I remember in the vintage days how a lot of kids liked the Vader and C-3PO carrying cases. They were cool ways of storing figures, and kind of doubled as display pieces. I look at this BB-8 playset as something similar.
As for the concept? I think kids aren't as locked into a concept like a playset being JUST A PLAYSET as much as adults may be. I remember plenty of items from the Kenner vintage line that I or friends would re-purpose in other ways than as just a figure or just a vehicle, etc.
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Yeah I think the utility of it being a playset and a large "companion" type toy like a stuffed animal but a non-stuffed thing... it's possible it'll make noises or something. I think the idea is there. Like Nick said, a playset being something beyond just a playset I believe has some added play value.
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I think the challenge here is whether something needs to have the added design and production cost to transform into something else versus just being a great product on it's own. I think it's "neat" that they want to make something that has transforming play value, but I firmly believe that they'd get a lot more mileage focusing on making it the best playset they can instead of a swiss army knife of deliverables. In my head I keep seeing someone at Hasbro shooting down the plastic Death Star playset in favor of the E1 transforming R2 carrying case and I get where some people are frustrated. I'll wait and see and maybe it will be surprisingly cool, but I wouldn't bet odds on it.
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I think this is where we get into that territory of the business where making something eye-catching will add to its marketability. A good number of parents are certainly looking for toys for their kids that will spark imagination. And Hasbro is very much interested in making those volume sales because that's where the big sales numbers are.
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I remember in the vintage days how a lot of kids liked the Vader and C-3PO carrying cases. They were cool ways of storing figures, and kind of doubled as display pieces. I look at this BB-8 playset as something similar.
I had the Vader carrying case. It was nice...for a case. But I never figured a use for it beyond that. Hey, it's a giant Vader statue! Or space ship where everyone stands up straight inside. But it was never billed as anything other than a case.
I would think a star destroyer playset would change into a Star Destroyer (albeit not scaled to its interior). But I suppose characters are more marketable than vehicles.
Reminds me, at a yard sale I picked up some used ROTS "blockade runner" micro set that opens up to...Mustafar? WHAAAT? Those things are related...they are in the same movie! :P
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Some information on the playset over at Yakface.com (http://yakfaceforums.com/main/2017/08/02/tlj-breakdown-dpcis-skus-and-upcs/#more-34188) including the price and stuff.
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$200?!?!
This thing had better be amazing.
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(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/091/881/tumblr_le3iimRqBr1qe91wdo1_500.jpg)
I just doubt it's hallways, an office, or the Death Star Restrooms or whatever.
I think for the price, and what we've gotten for similar, you have at least a ballpark idea kind of what to expect maybe. Forget the AT-ACT's price last year and it walked and all that too, but this appears to be the "biggie" for this year.
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#wheresRebels
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this appears to be the "biggie" for this year.
Yeah... something more than the fold-out TFA Millennium Falcon ship/playset ($140), but not quite as involved as the RO AT-ACT ($300) was.
Going to be interesting to see what this is exactly. Also going to be interesting to see how the "bring back playsets" crowd reacts to both the item Hasbro delivers and the price.
#wheresRebels
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Fenn Rau, coming in 2018! :-X
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If it's the size of the Jakks BB-8 but tricked out, it could be fun. Curious about it. This probably means the 'gorilla walker' is off the table from Hasbro, which given the performance of the AT-ACT and that this is seemingly bigger, isn't that much of a surprise.
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Hopefully, the walker will come out next year.
I doubt the big ticket item for the Han Solo movie could be anything more than the Falcon.
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BMF really needs dusted off next year yes.
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"Bring Back the Playsets" Guy here. I applaud the fact that they're doing any kind of playset, but I think execution and cost are big factors in deciding whether or not this is a success. I was looking for $20-30 modular display sets - a $200 transforming BB-8 playset is a very different thing.
I really hope this isn't being seen as a single data point test of whether or not playsets can sell. I have a hard time believing whatever this is will be cooler than a plastic vintage Death Star. I also have a hard time believing that Hasbro couldn't release the original Death Star with a few upgrades/tweaks for $200 or less. If you connect the dots there, I give this a 5% chance of being anything but a disappointment. As they say, I have a bad feeling about this...
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BMF really needs dusted off next year yes.
This. Apparently hundreds of dollars for a toy is no obstacle to the market, so Hasbro should be able to pull this off.
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I'd heard somewhere the origins Death Star is long dead but I could be wrong. I don't know if it holds up well today. Parts do and some don't, so I don't know. 😕 On this time will tell. Clearly I think Hasbro isn't looking at "stackable" anything and want something with more diversity to it for the investment I guess, but at the price this might be cooler than it's being given credit. I found the atact pretty cool as a focal thing for a kids collection.
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#wheresRebels
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As soon as Filoni announced season 4 was the last season, the management at Hasbro probably had a guy with a trash can go around and throw away everything Rebels in development. It's THE CLONE WARS immediate disengagement all over again.
For fans, I hope not...but I won't be surprised.
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I can't say Hasbro had much engagement aside from that initial launch even but yeah given a movie a year, Rebels is really a red headed stepchild in the LFL licensee pushing I guess.
Saw a scratch build model of the ghost recently and it's pretty sweet. It'd make a nice model kit.
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BMF really needs dusted off next year yes.
Yes please. That's one I missed waiting for clearance and wish I had.
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Eh if you waited before tho you won't like what it costs now according to Hasbro. :-X
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Eh if you waited before tho you won't like what it costs now according to Hasbro. :-X
My finances are a little more BMF friendly these days compared to back then. :).
They're $400 to $500 on eBay at the moment and were $300 last time they were re-released. I'd guess somewhere between $300 and $400 this time?
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For some reason $350 is sticking in my mind but I forget when or even if I'm just remembering wrong but yeah I would say it's gotta cost at least what the last release did.
They could always release the TFA one redone slightly I suppose.
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The Death Star Playset is actually really durable given that it's mostly just little plastic supports. I have several of them lined up to create a Death Star "Wall" and have never had any issues with them. I think if you fell into it or dropped it down the stairs it could break, but you could say that about most ships/playsets I think. Too bad there isn't more love for something simple like this.
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I think the vintage Death Star playset is something they should strive for. I say this because that playset is one of my prized possessions. Hard to believe that was under $20 when it was originally released.
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I meant more that I think it's molds are kaput. I sold mine eons ago but oddly enough have a box in decent shape for it. Go figure. I should sell that too I suppose. I liked it, but I don't know if a part cardbord part plastic skeleton type set is what Hasbro wants now or whatever... it seems like utilizing different "play patterns" is always part of the equation anymore, kinda how the Republic Shuttke was like a ship and a base.
GI Joe had the best playsets... huge, fairly complex... half of them are still good custom playset fodder even.
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You might be right about those molds being extinct - thought I heard that somewhere else now that you mention it. That said, it wasn't an overly sophisticated design and I'd wager still cheaper to recreate than building something new from scratch. The cardboard inserts were pretty cool, but not necessary. I only display a few of mine with the inserts in, as I want to see the figures behind them.
From an interactive features standpoint, the Death Star had the following:
Swivel Gun chair with pop-off "exploding feature"
4 levels of play
Working elevator with rotating door and ability to lock at each level
Retracting mid-level floor section
Swinging rope accessory
Trap door to access Trash Compactor
Trash Compactor with working door and adjustable wall
Peg holes on each level for figure stability
Pack-in Dianoga figure & foam
and those nifty cardboard graphics inserts
That was $18 at retail. Using a similar rate of inflation/margin creep for the figures ($1.99 then vs. $8.99 now), a similar playset should retail in the $85 range. I would absolutely pay $80-90 for a remade version of this playset. The new FO playset is around $200, so my expectation is that it's about 2.5x as cool as the Death Star. If not, then they should have just remade the classic.
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Don't forget that the trash compactor was removable too,
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So Yakface (http://Yakface) continues their excellent detective work by finding images of this set. I like it. Not as tricked out as I expected for the $$$, but it's fun. Kind of glad I didn't grab the Jakks BB-8 now.
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I am predicting unhappiness by most but I think that's a good point on the Jakks droid. I figured it's a "companion" thing like a stuffed animal. Hasbro probably looks at that ability to transform as more bang for the buck, and it's tough to blame them with a big investment involved.
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Yep. This thing is totally going in my collection room.
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That's pretty cool. Not sore if it's $200 worth of cool. But not bad.
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They did that thing where there's labels with pictures of people on the "walls". Not surprising...just silly.
Solid mid level there, the rest...hard to tell.
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This reminds me of some kind of an upscaled Micro Machines set crossed with the vintage Death Star. It looks like it incorporates a number of different things that we've seen before:
-Catwalk
-Trash compactor (I think I saw that in the lower left)
-Interrogation room/rack
-Throne room
I still want to see some better images.
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A second version of the playset has leaked out (at Target) via Instagram. This version includes the Force Link bracelet, the one that leaked on Amazon.es doesn't. The box art for the new one is much cooler as well. Click the right arrow (https://www.instagram.com/p/BXwHxTVnFo2/?taken-by=toythugshow) on the Big Fig image to see it.
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The illustration looks cool, but it is just that: an illustration. It would have been nice if someone could have taken a decent photo of the top of the box that has an actual photo of the playset, but that would probably be nearly identical to the one we saw in the first packaged image.
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Damn, the photo in the corner shows Snoke towering over that guard! I was hoping he would actually be big...so cool to see that!
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This reminds me of some kind of an upscaled Micro Machines set crossed with the vintage Death Star.
Yeah... and hard to tell if that's worth $200 to me. :-\
From that 2nd Target pic that Jayson linked, it looks like there are electronics in the BB-8 (maybe the whole playset too), probably helps explain the price a lil bit, especially if the $200 version comes with the $30 Force Link thingy too.
I'm going to go the patient route on this. Hopefully I'll end up with one, but not going to pay $200 when all I really want are the figures.
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Wow. Not sure I would pay $100 for this. It's going to have to have more features than what I've seen or a really nice discount to end up in my house...
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I never got the AT-ACT, even when it was $89 at Target, but I'll probably get this on sale. I'm a BB-8 fan and I've wanted the Jakks version, so this seems like a better deal. I also mainly want the figures, though I suspect we'll see both in other forms.
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I actually think the play set looks pretty cool. My only problem is going to be the height, I'll have to see, but I'm not convinced that this is going to fit on my shelves the way I'd like it to.
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$200? Yeesh. That will not help support the "We Want Playsets" crowd
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It's not perfect, but this thing looks far from horrible.
I guess if I can shell out at least $500 for space walls from GTP toys, well then I will need to support this.
Wish it didn't transform inti BB-8 thought. Or transform at all. I wish it was more like an upscaled micro collection Death Star World (http://theswca.com/images-toys/micro/micro-dsworld.html) from 1982.
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Agreed. I'll likely spring for this, maybe on sale, but I also dropped $200 on space walls too.
The only thing I'm worried about is the overall market reception for a thing like this and Hasbro's view of playsets as a result. I think $200 is a tough price point. Its hard to tell from the images how many electronics or cool interactive features there are, but unless this thing is super cool I'm not sure your average soccer mom or grandparent is going to drop $200 on a plastic playset.
I would have preferred a more modular approach with a price point more around $80 where it would be more affordable for gift giving, but collectors and others could purchase multiples or variants that could build to something larger.
I'm going to withhold final judgement until I see better pictures and descriptions.
Hopefully at least Hasbro can get this to retail well before Dec 15th and not screw this up like the AT-ACT last year.
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I'm intrigued by how this will perform too. Like, the Ninja Turtles line sells a lot of playsets, but then that Batman vs Superman Batcave was on clearance for 75% off at Walmart. I think this looks cool, and the figures are unique enough and good enough, but the $200 is a tough pill to swallow.
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Have we seen any indications on the differences or similarities between the Force Link gauntlet that's packed with the playset, and the Force Link set that comes with the Kylo Ren figure?
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Have we seen any indications on the differences or similarities between the Force Link gauntlet that's packed with the playset, and the Force Link set that comes with the Kylo Ren figure?
They are the same device.
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Interesting. It makes you wonder which version will be available at which retailers. Personally, I see the Force Link with the Kylo Ren figure being a draw on its own, and the possibility that collectors might get the version of the playset without the Force Link gauntlet to save money.
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Lol, I found this on the clearance aisle at my local Walmart today. Cool to check out up close and personal, but it wouldn't ring up on the price scanner so I didn't even try to buy it.
They also had the A-Wing and Canto Bight speeders out, and on a dolly near by they had a full case of the Teal figures as well as the 2-packs.
If I had seen any 6" stuff I would have tried to purchase it, but did not see any. 🙁
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Teal is my never favorite character! :P
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My Walmart had one of these out. It's way over priced at $179. The Snoke figure looks like he is as tall as Chewie but wears a gold bathrobe. Weird. They also had the gauntlets out too.
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Mattel's Justice League playset seems much bigger.
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Anybody buy this and crack it open yet? Just curious if anyone thinks its remotely worth $180.
I'm trying to decide if Target's $180 markdown price ($200 normal) plus their $25 gift card deal is worth it at $165 total.
I'm not sure if this thing is going to sit and collect dust and be available for a deeper discount in the future, or if I should consider pulling the trigger now.
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I just check out this review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT6jM3-bMYs), and it seems like this playset might be a bit of a handful.
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Good review. Pretty much what I expected.
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Agreed - great review, thanks for posting Nick.
I have to pace myself this year and I'm holding off on getting one of these to open. I wonder if it isn't worth waiting a bit to see if there are some deeper discounts on Amazon in the future. I hate to say that, because I know we've all been looking forward to playsets, but I would have been satisfied with just a straight-up playset, not one that was a transformer - especially since the review seems to indicate it's the fact that it transforms is what causes it so much problems.
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Amazon has already marked this down to $179.99.
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I ended up with $120 worth of Amazon gift card stuff for my birthday and figured this would be a good time to buy the playset, but looks like it went back up to the full $200.
Now I'm thinking I should wait at least a little while. Surely it'll go up and down even if only by a little bit...
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Surprisingly, these seem to have sold through at some of my local Targets, or were maybe shoved in back and not given shelf space.
I'm interested in getting this, but I didn't pull the trigger on this so will be watching for future deals.
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Target has this set on sale this week for $179.99. And it might also qualify for their $25 off of a $100 toy purchase.
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I hope Amazon matches the sale... I've got $145 in amazon gift cards just waiting to be used, but I was hoping to get it to drop down at least a little bit first.
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Never mind, it's $154.99 on Amazon right now, I went ahead and ordered one.
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Hmmm. Kind of tempting at that price. But I'm wondering if there might be a lightning sale down the line? I waited out the AT-ACT, and Amazon wound up offering that for $49.99 in a lightning deal a few months after ROGUE ONE was released in theaters.
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Didn't have time to post in here last night, hope folks saw the tweets on the Yakface or JediDefender twitter accounts.
Yesterday, Target had a 50% off cartwheel deal on the BB-8 playset, so you could get an extra 50% off the current $139.99 sale price (30% off retail $200). I couldn't resist at that price so I stopped by Target on my way home from work and picked one up. With the extra 5% Red Card discount, it came out to $71 and change. That makes the overall savings about 67% off the retail price.
Didn't have time to open it up and mess around with it yet, maybe this weekend...
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Thanks for the tip on this Jeff! Huge savings for those that had a chance to get one.
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The Target near my office has about six of these marked down to $59.99.
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That would be a good price.
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Yeah, I'm kicking myself for having bought one for $150.
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This is only item I haven't picked up, sounds like I'll be glad to have waited.
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The Target near my office has about six of these marked down to $59.99.
Wow. I thought I was getting it cheap at $70. Bet someone ends up getting these for under $50.
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There are actually 7 of them at this Target, and they've all been sitting there the whole week. I didn't check today, but none of them have moved as far as I know.
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Jeez.
Is that the one downtown?
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Yep, the one on State in the loop. I don’t drive around looking for toys anymore, but I walk over there at lunch pretty regularly.
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I always go there when I'm in town, which is a lot. Rarely buy anything there, but...
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On sale for 50% off ($99.99) at Amazon.com (http://amzn.to/2DzuVMg) right now... wonder how much longer it will be before they try to blow these out to clear the way for the Solo stuff.
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There are still 6 of them for like $60 at that Target downtown. It's crazy.
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Still need this playset? Less than $70 right now on Amazon.com (http://amzn.to/2FzyupQ).
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Still need this playset? Less than $70 right now on Amazon.com (http://amzn.to/2FzyupQ).
I had been on the fence about this playset. Saw it this morning at Target for $99, and was sorely considering it, but ultimately passed.
So when I saw this link I had to bite. Curse you/thank you Jeff! Now I own a giant BB-8! ;) (I feel good about using the JD link, too!)
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Still need this playset? Less than $70 right now on Amazon.com (http://amzn.to/2FzyupQ).
I had been on the fence about this playset. Saw it this morning at Target for $99, and was sorely considering it, but ultimately passed.
So when I saw this link I had to bite. Curse you/thank you Jeff! Now I own a giant BB-8! ;) (I feel good about using the JD link, too!)
Thanks for supporting the site! :)
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I know a lot of people were vocal about disliking this playset, but it's not so bad. Sure it has elements that take away from the aesthetics, but Hasbro worked some good things in here too.
Is it worth $200? No, I would say not even close. $100 seems more reasonable especially when you consider someone like me doesn't care about the transforming feature, electronics, action features - I just like things that look cool for setup and as a kid liked to have a "base" for the good guys and one for the bad guys. I didn't need all kinds of gimmicks, or even know what that even was back in the day.
If they had removed the transforming feature and put some collector "Sail Barge" type of detail into this, I think it would have sold better for retailers... because as it is, they lose collectors. I don't think they will lose kids or parents by making it look cooler, but they would gain collectors!
Here's my simple setup of it. I need to spice it up with a background, black floor, etc.
(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=9220&t=1)
For anyone on the fence, I think it's well worth $100 (or less obviously).
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Thanks for the review, CHEWIE! And glad to see one without the cheesy stickers applied, I think I will be going that route also. ;D
(What is up with FX-7 becoming a torture droid, though? That's up there with Luke turning his back on the Force as far as Sequel Trilogy character twists go!)
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My daughter put the droid there... so that's why he's there, ha ha. I might have to swap that out with something a little more sinister because I hadn't even thought about how out of place it looks until you said it, but you're right. :)
I really would replace the whole playset without question with something more collector geared, if something were available. But this isn't a bad way to display a collection of First Order figures at all in my opinion.
And yeah, I didn't apply all the stickers because I felt some detracted from it.
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Still don't have this playset yet? $49.99 right now on Amazon.com (https://amzn.to/2jt0oan)
#sponsoredlink
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Good grief... between this and Snoke being available on a single card, I really screwed up buying it when I did.
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I popped into a Walmart on my way back into town a few hours ago and they had the BB-8's marked down to $45. That's the lowest I've seen them so far...