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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Nathan on November 21, 2008, 05:04 AM
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Harrison Ford Says Fifth 'Indiana Jones' Is In 'Primary Stages' (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1599660/story.jhtml)
MTV: James Bond is a franchise that's figured out how to ably switch between actors. If, in 50 years, they find another man to play Indiana Jones, would that sit all right with you?
Ford: The very simple addition of numbers would make it clear that in 50 years I will not give a sh-- at all. I will so not care.
MTV: Well what if you knew today that someone else would wear the hat one day?
Ford: Fifty years from now, they can do anything they want.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/ValinKenobi/Forums/laughing.gif)
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Love that hard hitting journalism from MTV. They really get to the meat of the problem. :(
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http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/09/14/harrison-ford-says-hes-ready-for-indiana-jones-5/?test=faces
Not sure how much of a story this is. It appears the info was floated back in the summer but this is the first time I've seen it on a major networks site.
I'm not sure how good it could be personally. I loved the 80's ones, but KOTCS didn't sit well with me. We can argue time period and whatnot, but I just wasn't that into the story, although I did just enjoy it just for being Indy.
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I still say they bunked it up by not milking the 1940's... Indy in the OSS? Indy running amok in the Pacific Jungles? Indy a WW2 hero? It'll be an era never explored I'm afraid.
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I don't care how bad some of you hated the last one... hope they make it, and I hope they make a 6th one after that.
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I just want more of the classic 3 films to get action figures, so I'm down with another dozen movies if it means more figures and vehicles.
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THIS FILM IS STARTING TO LOOK OFFICIAL.....
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/09/14/harrison-ford-says-hes-ready-for-indiana-jones-5/?test=faces
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I still say they bunked it up by not milking the 1940's... Indy in the OSS? Indy running amok in the Pacific Jungles? Indy a WW2 hero? It'll be an era never explored I'm afraid.
Agreed x100. I liked KOTCS overall, but that scene with the general and the CIA agents just made me sad we never got to see a 1990s run of WW2 adventures like you mentioned. :'( We could have easily gotten four or five more films.
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I liked KOTCS for what it was, but it wasn't anything near the original three for me either. That said, I'm in the boat that would like to see more Harrison Ford Indy movies. As for another actor, probably not. Like it was already mentioned, it is too bad they left such a gap in between Last Crusade and Crystal Skull. They could have put out at least a couple of other Indy movies when Ford was a bit younger, and hit some great time periods. Oh well, I hope we see a fifth (and maybe sixth), before Ford is in his 80s.
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I'll see it, but I'm not expecting much.
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I'll see it, but I'm not expecting much.
I think that would be a major help for fans and the public in general with any movie honestly.
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Indy's Dad Returns? (http://movies.ign.com/articles/102/1026666p1.html)
Just another thing for the rumor pile at this point, but thought I'd pass it along. You never know what could happen, maybe they'll have a way to bring him back - or maybe they'll set the next movie prior to KOTCS (as they did in the original Indy trilogy).
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Nah, not going to happen. He's already 79 and if he wouldn't come back for KOTCS he's not coming back in 2011 or whatever.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind setting 5 prior to 4 (no Mutt, for one thing :P, plus the possibility of bringing back Connery) but I think at this point it would just confuse people.
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Harrison Ford Says an Agreement Is in Place for 'Indiana Jones 5' (http://insidemovies.moviefone.com/2010/03/03/harrison-ford-indiana-jones-5/)
Harrison Ford says an Indiana Jones 5 story idea has been agreed on (http://www.joblo.com/harrison-ford-says-an-indiana-jones-5-story-idea-has-been-agreed-on)
I'm 100% sure whatever they've come up with will suck, but you have to think of the positives here: We'll finally get that Toht figure. ;)
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This will be the one where we finally see Indy digging up artifacts on the Moon. I can't wait.
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I don't care what the naysayers think. I can't wait for another Indiana Jones movie.
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I was kind of even on KotCS... I liked it well enough but it's by far the least interesting of the 4. Still, I'm geeked for Indy 5, and bring on more action figures says I!
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I'm good with another, especially if they leave Mutt out of it.
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I just hope they bring the mysticism back to the story. That alien crap almost made blood shoot out of my eyes.
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I just hope they bring the mysticism back to the story. That alien crap almost made blood shoot out of my eyes.
Good Luck. I'm trying to think of any example where a franchise produced a sucky sequel then came back with anoter installment that was better than the last. "Aliens" is the only example that comes close and that was technically a first sequel outdoing the original.
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I'm good with another, especially if they leave Mutt out of it.
Unfortunately, I think that's one of the least likely things to happen.
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I'm with Rob, I am excited. Yeah Indy 4 wasn't the greatest, but it was still Indy...and I still had a good time. I think and I hope they are going to cut out some of the crap that was bad...it is still Spielberg for cripes sakes. Have a little bit of faith :)
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I was pretty happy with Indy 4 - about the only thing that bothered me with it was the last 10 minutes. Everything else, considering the age of the actors, was great I thought. They captured the 80s movie magic a lot better than I had expected.
For Indy 5, I really don't want to see any sort of alien stuff either. I doubt we will... that would be two films in a row with a similar theme... doubt it's gonna happen, but I would love for Indy to find out about some former Nazis in Brazil who are gathering some sort of religious artifacts, and the adventure leads back to the Middle East with Sallah... I'd be fine with Indy, Mutt and Oxley teaming up with Sallah for a finale to the series.
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Count me in for being excited at the possibility of Indy 5 as well. As others have mentioned, Indy IV has its faults, but I still enjoyed it overall. Not as much as the "original" trilogy of Indy films, but it was still a fun movie for me. I hope they get going on this next one before Ford is 90 :).
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Count me in for being excited at the possibility of Indy 5 as well. As others have mentioned, Indy IV has its faults, but I still enjoyed it overall. Not as much as the "original" trilogy of Indy films, but it was still a fun movie for me. I hope they get going on this next one before Ford is 90 :).
Well, with the tech from Avatar, can't they just make him any age they want now? I'd love to see how a CGI 3-D Indy showing a youthful Indy would turn out. If they can make that look good, they can make anything.
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And of course it'll be in 3D because I guarantee you, someone is bouncing in their seat over the prospect of Indy whipping at the crowd so they scare the crap out of the audience.
Indy has been to the Middle East and India already, to the US and South America in 4 so I'm thinking he tackles an Asian mystery of some type. Chinese maybe?
If not, get back to basics and go with another religious artifact and a trip around Europe again. You can't go wrong with midieval castles. Plus, you could still involve the Russians with a trip though Eastern Europe in full Cold War swing.
E...
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I will be there to see it and endure all the "Indy 5" was pure crap comments afterwards. Like someone said we will finally get that Toht figure and hopefully that entire wave and the TOD to ;D
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I will be there to see it and endure all the "Indy 5" was pure crap comments afterwards. Like someone said we will finally get that Toht figure and hopefully that entire wave and the TOD to ;D
He could hump goats for 2 hours, and I'm happy it's done just so I can get that last wave of Raiders figures.
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I guess some people don't know when to stop.
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Indy 4 was okay IMO. In no way did I feel like I was watching what South park depicted. I would go see a fifth movie and happily buy any action figures they give us.
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Let this thing die gracefully with what it was - what's the point of another Indy movie? I loved the first three movies, but I guess it's better than another 80's revamp that Hollywood is doing with everything else?
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Remember, if there is an Indy 5, there must be a Indy 6. Lucas does everything in threes.
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Let this thing die gracefully with what it was - what's the point of another Indy movie? I loved the first three movies, but I guess it's better than another 80's revamp that Hollywood is doing with everything else?
What's the point of any movie that doesn't have an undeveloped story? To have fun.
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Put it this way: would you rather have an Indy 5 with Ford and Shia, or wait five years and get the inevitable reboot with Zac Efron or Taylor Lautner? ::)
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Zac Efron! Zac Efron! Zac Efron! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I didn't know that Indiana Jones was not part of the original Star Wars deal but I guess Disney just bought the Indiana Jones franchise. I guess now they don't have to pay royality rights for the theme park rides or merchanise anymore.
Filming for Indiana Jones and the Revenge of Goofy will start next month.
http://kotaku.com/disney-buys-indiana-jones-1478257607?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow (http://kotaku.com/disney-buys-indiana-jones-1478257607?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow)
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They bought the franchise when they bought Lucasfilm. This is the distribution and marketing rights that Paramount had.
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Right. The distribution and marketing rights are now Disney's not Paramounts. Kind of like how Disney has distribution/marketing rights for most Marvel characters but not for Spiderman which Sony still owns.
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Does that mean that the next installment will have Mouse Ears logo fade over something similar in the landscape like the Paramount mountain did?
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A week after announcing that it’s purchased the marketing and distribution rights to future "Indiana Jones" movies from Paramount, Disney says it will be at least two to three years before the archaeologist goes on his next whip-cracking adventure. (http://variety.com/2013/biz/news/dont-expect-the-next-indiana-jones-for-at-least-two-to-three-years-1200952951/)
Still not an official "Indy 5 is happening!", but between Disney buying the rights (why buy if there isn't going to be an Indy 5) and all the rumors that said Ford would only do Ep7/8/9 if Indy 5 was part of the contract, it sure seems like a lock at this point. Just hope they can find a good story. Leave the aliens out of it this time please.
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I don't know why they need Ford for Indy anymore. Why can't they do a James Bond or Doctor Who and get another actor to play Indy and reboot the franchise? Odds are it would much better than a guy my dad's age running around fighting Soviets and aliens. Bring back the Nazis as bad guys and put in some one new.
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...and NO CG GOPHERS!
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I'm game for 5. What, set it in the 60s and do a little NASA stuff? Maybe this will be the one where Indy loses his eye! It's gotta happen soon!
And I'll poke out my own eyes if they put Mutt back in after all the issues with Shia last time. You could've been set up pal, but you blew it.
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Indiana Jones is a like the James Bond series, there doesn't have to be continuation. They could reboot and bring back the nazis and someone younger to play Indy. They could rewrite the story for the old N64 game Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine or finish the script for Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings.
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I don't recall Indy is going to lose an eye? I think they could name the last one, "Indiana Jones and the Skeleton in his Closet."
But I don't mind him fighting soviets... though yeah, I understand the fear of seeing a 60+ man whipping people.
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I don't recall Indy is going to lose an eye?
Young Indy - in the beginning of each show they showed really old, one-eyed professor Indy talking about his youthful exploits.
But I don't mind him fighting soviets... though yeah, I understand the fear of seeing a 60+ man whipping people.
73 by the time they begin filming...
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Thanks for the info on the eye, Bill. I haven't seen the Young Indy stuff in forever so it's no wonder I couldn't recall that.
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Maybe he just had glaucoma?
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Disney Eyeing Chris Pratt For Indiana Jones Revival (http://deadline.com/2015/01/chris-pratt-indiana-jones-guardians-of-the-galaxy-disney-1201360637/)
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Bradley Cooper would be better.
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Like both guys but don't think either is a good fit for this role.
Commence the thawing of River Phoenix!
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Nobody will be a good fit for the role. It'd be like recasting Rocky.
It's a shame Hollywood continues to resort to churning out remakes instead of generating quality original content. At one time they had to guts to give us a Star Wars and a Raiders instead of remakes of Buck Rogers and King Solomon's Mines. And they earned billions of dollars. But I guess the risk today is too high for the potential reward.
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It isn't a Hollywood decision as much as a Disney decision. Disney isn't going to let the property sit idle after acquiring it. A reboot is the only option after the last movie. Ford can't carry the series anymore and they would be crazy to hand it over to Shia LeBouef.
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I think Chris Pratt might be decent in this role. Less interested in Bradley Cooper. I thought Pratt did a good job in Guardians of the Galaxy.
I know it feels "wrong" to have someone other than Harrison Ford play Indy, but I think the character is great and the story lines are fairly endless (assuming they're done well).
I look at this kind of like the James Bond series. Should they have ended the Bond series after Sean Connery stopped being bond in 1971? I still think he is the best of all the actors to have played Bond, but I've generally enjoyed all of Bond actors and movies. I think Daniel Craig in particular is very good in that role.
If the Indy movies are well done with a different actor, then I'm all for it. Harrison Ford was in Indy 4, but that didn't help it be anything other than a really average movie.
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I see no reason to not use another actor to play Indy. Indy should be treated just like James Bond or Doctor Who and have lots of new movies and adventures. I'd also be for a young version of Han Solo. Sure Harrison Ford was the best Jack Ryan but I'm not sad that we have Chris Pine doing that role now.
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I honestly think Indy stories are very limited. There really aren't all that many lost magical treasures. I think even Crystal Skull ran into that problem. How do you top finding the Ark and the Holy Grail? Crystal Skull's answer was to give magic powers to extra-dimensional beings, to very poor results.
Maybe he can look for the end of the rainbow next.
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I'm sure they could make up all sorts of stuff that could be interesting. Indy 2 was good enough when they used non-Christian relics.
Indy 4 was just an uninteresting relic, or at least the story was told poorly.
They could do Egyptian relics, Asian relics, etc.
Heck, look how cool the intro to Raiders was when they were looking for the gold idol that didn't even have mystical powers. Just a well told mini-adventure to capture an archaeological prize while attempting to not get shot with a poison dart.
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I think an Indy storyline following his time in the OSS would be interesting, and get him back to his classic villain enemies, but I think it may work better as a TV series, and less as a movie with a beginning, middle, and end all wrapped into one thing. Just my thought.
KotCS sucked. Harrison Ford was Indy throughout, and true to form... All other aspects of it sucked. **** those monkeys and giant ants.
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I think they had a Indy like TV program in the 90's. The new movie was a good "Could of been better" movie. These movies are based in the 50's so anything going on would be 50's interest's not present known information. To me Mesoamerican artifacts are far more interesting than African/Middle Eastern relics.
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Yeah, the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles... It was odd though and never felt quite like classic Indy to me. I think someone non-Lucas might do better with it. It was ok, it just wasn't what I'd want out of an Indy series I guess.
Indy as an OSS officer would be a lot more along the lines of a James Bond-ish thing, for me though.
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I think it's been pretty well established that Hollywood likes a proven story. Especially when they're going to put a lot of money into a project. Is that a completely failsafe sort of formula? Not necessarily. Look at the run of Biblical epics. Lots of those films have done very well. But then there was Ridley Scott's recent effort, Exodus - Gods and Kings. Solid director. Solid star. And a story that's a known quantity. But it really didn't perform that well.
As for rebooting Indiana Jones? I think I would prefer to just leave the franchise alone. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was not a good way to end things. If it had ended with The Last Crusade? THAT would have been an exercise in going out on a high note. It was a solid Indy movie. But these film franchises are big money, and Disney wants to get their money's worth. So? It's reboot time.
I saw something about the Chris Pratt rumor a few weeks back. And I had seen something about Bradley Cooper being considered, too. I think they could both fill the role reasonably well. And I think from a story standpoint it would be interesting to take the timeline a little bit further back than Raiders and Temple of Doom. How about starting off with Indy in the 1920's? How about some of that backstory of him and Abner Ravenwood?
The key though? A good script. Time and time again we've seen plenty of movies that had good casts and great filmmakers. But give them a crap story, like Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? Guess what? You're going to end up with a dogshit movie. Sometimes you wind up with a writer/director/producer who has so much clout that nobody will speak truth to power... like George Lucas. And maybe they've gotten lazy or unfocused and their script needs some re-writing or punching up.
And that phenomenon isn't exclusive to Indy 4, but to lots of movies in this CGI era of movie making. Go in with a ****** story and 9 times out of 10 you're going to have a ****** movie. Part of the problem is screenwriters and directors who write around things to specifically shoehorn in special effects. Everyone seems to want the same level of attention for their effects that something like the bullet dodge in The Matrix got. Get over it. Write a solid screenplay and let the special effects serve that story, not the other way around.
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I used to think (specifically around the time of the rumors of Shia taking over) that I couldn't see anyone else playing Indiana Jones. I will say, if they are going to continue/reboot, I could get on board with Chris Pratt in the role. I used to feel like they should just end it (probably with Last Crusade), but I think this whole new world of Disney's Star Wars has opened my mind a bit about these things.
When we first heard about Disney wanting to make all these movies (new trilogy, spinoffs, TV shows, etc.), I came to the realization (as silly as it is) that Star Wars was going to out live me. I don't mean to say that movies are so all important that you base your life around them or anything, but when the OT wrapped I think many were like "well, I got the whole story now", then that feeling continued with the prequels "well, I saw this through to the end". Now, there is basically no end in sight. I liked the prequels well enough, but the OT always stands superior to me and I realized that no matter how much Star Wars we get from here on out - or how much I like it - the OT will always be "my" Star Wars. Similar to how Harrison Ford will always be "my" Indy. I can let go of that enough to see a new person in the role, and for a new generation to have their own new adventures to follow (and I'll be there too). If there has to be a new actor, I'd be down with Chris Pratt in that role. He won't be Harrison Ford, but that doesn't mean they will be terrible either.
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Lucasfilm President Finally Confirms Indiana Jones Sequel Is on the Horizon (http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/indiana-jones-sequel-confirmed)
Great update, Vanity Fair. There's no script for it, no director or star attached to it, but kudos on getting Kathleen Kennedy on the record that DisneyLFL are talking about it. :P
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More toys! :)
Or probably not. :(
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It should start with showing the last scene with the aliens from Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and then cut to Indy waking up showing it was all a bad dream.
And no Mutt.
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More toys! :)
Or probably not. :(
I'd be really happy if they continued the line where it left off last time.
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Some of the figures they made for the 08 Indy line are no better than the 5 POA figures they make now (looking at YOU Cairo Thugs), but I'd be all in on a 6 inch line. And then not buy anything because Japanese companies make the same figures but better. :P
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I'd just be happy seeing them limp it along long enough to round out the stuff I'd like from the first 3 films and kill it with a ton of stuff from the new movie.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about the 5 POA's creeping in though. :-\
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OFFICIAL!
FROM DISNEY:
Spielberg and Ford Reunite as Indiana Jones Returns to Theaters July 19, 2019 (https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/spielberg-and-ford-reunite-as-indiana-jones-returns-to-theaters-july-19-2019/)
Indiana Jones will return to the big screen on July 19, 2019, for a fifth epic adventure in the blockbuster series. Steven Spielberg, who directed all four previous films, will helm the as-yet-untitled project with star Harrison Ford reprising his iconic role. Franchise veterans Kathleen Kennedy and Frank Marshall will produce.
“Indiana Jones is one of the greatest heroes in cinematic history, and we can’t wait to bring him back to the screen in 2019,” said Alan Horn, Chairman, The Walt Disney Studios. “It’s rare to have such a perfect combination of director, producers, actor and role, and we couldn’t be more excited to embark on this adventure with Harrison and Steven.”
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I know some will be a little hesitant after the last movie, but count me in. The Indy movies have been second only to Star Wars my whole life, so I'm down for more. It will be interesting to see if Lucas will be involved. I remember at one time Spielberg saying he wouldn't do it without him, but maybe that has changed. Either way, exciting news. Also, hopefully more toys😊
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Definitely going to see it, but I hope it doesn't follow the reboot/sequel formula of the last decade and isn't just a remake of Raiders with new characters.
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I've got a bad feeling about this...
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Remind me who owns new Indiana Jones movies these days. I see where this is posted on a Disney web site. So is this like Star Wars where Disney can do whatever it wants with new films?
I'm guessing things are a bit more complicated as it relates to redistribution rights to the first four movies, but curious if Disney has full authority on this.
Agreed that the last film was really weak. I'm hopeful Disney is able to revive this movie franchise with some new energy.
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Remind me who owns new Indiana Jones movies these days.
All Disney at this point for Indy 5 (and beyond).
Link ->Disney Takes Control of 'Indiana Jones' Franchise for Future Films (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-takes-control-indiana-jones-663704)
"Disney and Paramount have reached an agreement for the future of the Indiana Jones franchise, giving Disney control over all future films.
Paramount retains rights to the first four films and "will receive a financial participation on any future films that are produced and released," says the statement from the studios."
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Thanks Jeff.
I hope this also means GL has been fully bought out (like with Star Wars) and doesn't retain any creative rights. He didn't seem to muck up Indy too badly even though Indy 4 was pretty weak, but its time for some new talent to lead this franchise.
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Guessing Shia's on the not-wanted list after he bashed the last movie and ticked off Ford and Spielberg in the process.
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Harrison Ford has shown that when it comes to promoting a film, he's a real pro. He went above and beyond on the promotional tour for THE FORCE AWAKENS. And Shia? Ugh. He's done some decent acting work, but I think studios are really wary of him because of his behavior issues away from the set, the plagiarism scandal and his social media antics.
My chief concern? I just want a solid story this time around. And I hope that Spielberg learns some of the lessons that were learned from THE FORCE AWAKENS. Notably, the blending of effects styles. Because one of the biggest jump the shark moments of KotCS was that ridiculous vine swinging scene. OMG, that was so f***ing horrible!!!! And not just because the premise was so ridiculous, but because IT LOOKED BAD! I know that people point to the "Nuke the Fridge" scene as being beyond implausible, but I will take that over the vine swinging scene any day of the week.
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That's what happens when you do all the stuff on a computer instead of dragging a dude on a rope behind a truck.
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My chief concern? I just want a solid story this time around. And I hope that Spielberg learns some of the lessons that were learned from THE FORCE AWAKENS. Notably, the blending of effects styles. Because one of the biggest jump the shark moments of KotCS was that ridiculous vine swinging scene. OMG, that was so f***ing horrible!!!! And not just because the premise was so ridiculous, but because IT LOOKED BAD! I know that people point to the "Nuke the Fridge" scene as being beyond implausible, but I will take that over the vine swinging scene any day of the week.
Agree with this 100%. It is the only scene in the movie that I truly and fully hate. It's worse than Jar Jar being farted on.
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I wasn't a fan of the giant ants or the jungle cutter contraption either.
That whole jungle cutter scene includes the cutters themselves, a fairly dump sword fight, vine swinging, and ends with giant ants.
The rest of the movie was decent, but this eight minute segment really drags the whole movie down for me.
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I've got a bad feeling about this...
+1
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If this movie doesn't open with a quick shot of the end of KOTCS and then Indiana waking up from a bad dream then the whole project is a waste of time.
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Hey, Hasbro can release all the unmade Indiana Jones stuff from the previous toy line.
Yeah....right. More like one wave of 5 POA figures based on the new film and some micro machines. :(
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Please God no.
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They've already released two bad sequels in a row; I guess one more's not gonna hurt.
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What? Last Crusade was good.
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I look forward to it. I just hope Lucas has virtually no say. He really trashed the last one. I think he's gotten to the point he's trying to have the special effects tell a story instead of enhancing the movie.
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Don't you remember? IJ: ATLC and RotJ were both retconned into "bad" films "no one" likes to further the "I Hate Lucas" narrative.
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What? Last Crusade was good.
It was good when I was a kid. Watching as an adult, there are some pretty big flaws. Most of the franchise characters become cartoonish caricatures, which is unfortunate. Even Indy is buffoonish.
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Bill said exactly what Matty was expressing. Look at Marcus and Sallah at least. Very unnecessary and nothing like their characters in Raiders. At the beginning Marcus sort of plays a role like he does in Raiders but once he is integrated into the adventure later he becomes pathetic comic relief. Take he and Sallah out, and you lose nothing and gain a lot.
I like TLC, personally, but yeah it's way weaker compared to ToD and RotLA. For me I only hate Skull at this point and won't watch it. Even it's figures kind of blow.
Comic relief in Indy should be somewhat limited. Indy and his dad was plenty sufficient in TLC but they took it a step too far by dumbing down two secondary characters for no reason.
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I could never get past kid and his Dad banging the same chick in that 3rd movie. That one thing totally skeeved me out. Plus WTF would his Dad have a thick Scottish accent? I didn't like Connery in that role.
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I like TLC, personally, but yeah it's way weaker compared to ToD and RotLA. For me I only hate Skull at this point and won't watch it. Even it's figures kind of blow.
Comic relief in Indy should be somewhat limited. Indy and his dad was plenty sufficient in TLC but they took it a step too far by dumbing down two secondary characters for no reason.
I attribute that to Spielberg's deciding Temple of Doom was too girm and his comments of how he horrible he felt by depicting child slavery (Villains can't hurt kids?). So instead he goes on and trivializes Nazis by making them fantasy movie villains...again. (He made up for it with Schindler's List later).
Self-parody for a franchise that was already part homage/part satire of a genre is a bad idea. Spielberg said "I had Indy's dad played by JAMES BOND." Yet, he didn't quite learn where the Bond franchise started to falter...self-parody.
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I like "The Last Crusade", too. I've liked it since the first time I saw it. I never took it too seriously, and I appreciated the comic relief from Brody and Sallah.
As for Connery? I think he played it well enough. How do you possibly play the father of Indiana Jones? And he showed that the way to do that was to depict him as smart, passionate about his work, and an absolute ballbuster with his son whose methods he finds questionable. I think that having him be afraid of rats the way Indy was afraid of snakes was a little ham-handed, but at least it wasn't overdone.
I think that movie and the other Indy movies are a product of their times, along with the nostalgia that Lucas and Spielberg had for saturday matinee serials and the 1930's. But does that 1980's meets 1930's sensibility work in the 21st century? Obviously something was not working when KotCS came out. Was it the story? Or is this a type of film whose time has passed?
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RotLA=Great
TLC=Very good
ToD=not good
KotCS=terrible
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I think that movie and the other Indy movies are a product of their times, along with the nostalgia that Lucas and Spielberg had for saturday matinee serials and the 1930's. But does that 1980's meets 1930's sensibility work in the 21st century? Obviously something was not working when KotCS came out. Was it the story? Or is this a type of film whose time has passed?
This.
I think KotCS was ill-received because it followed the Indy formula Nicklab points out, but you have to bump it up the 20 intervening years. There is no denying KotCS is intended to be a cheezy 50's sci-fi movie (as opposed to cheezy 30's adventure serial) updated to the standard of moviemaking in the 200X's (as opposed to the 80's.) I think everyone was expecting more 30's serial stuff. I respect the update for what it was, but then I was never a huge Indy fan, and my favorite is still Temple of Doom.
And following the formula, Indy 5 will be a 201X version of a cheezy late 60s/early 70s movie. If they go back to the 30's serial vibe, then they will be acknowledging the failure of KotCS and cashing in on the nostalgia.
Either way they have my interest.
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RotLA=Great
TLC=Very good
ToD=not good
KotCS=terrible
This works for me. I didn't enjoy ToD very much at all, though it could be because I figured out a girlfriend was cheating on me at that movie. :-X
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Temple of Doom has grown on me as I've gotten older, after initially disliking it. Really the only bad part is Mrs. Spielberg.
Looking back, I think KotCS had some decent ideas, but everything decent was overshadowed by terrible characters and way too much CGI.
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It was poorly done CG that killed KOTCS. The badly done jungle chase and monkeys. The groundhogs. The ant hill. The waterfalls. Why couldn't they have just gone to a real location more often and film? Marion looked old and had nothing to do. Mutt started off ok but just got stupid along the way. Just give me an Indy based on one off the video games and I'll be happy. Indiana Jones and Fate of Atlantis. I hear this one is going to be about the Bermuda Triangle.
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It was poorly done CG that killed KOTCS. The badly done jungle chase and monkeys. The groundhogs. The ant hill. The waterfalls. Why couldn't they have just gone to a real location more often and film? Marion looked old and had nothing to do. Mutt started off ok but just got stupid along the way.
And the crap story telling, the aliens, the stupid looking skulls, the horrible casting, etc.
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From LFL/StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-ix-and-next-indiana-jones-get-release-dates):
The fifth chapter of the Indiana Jones series is now confirmed for a July 10, 2020 release. Both Steven Spielberg, director of every Indiana Jones film, and star Harrison Ford will return.
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New toy line for it? Hard to imagine $ being left on the table. Summer movie and all.
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The unreleased figures from the previous line...will probably remain so.
As for the 5th movie...
Cue Johnny Cash song.
"My family... Marcus...Ox..., they're all gone now."
"There's still time, Indiana..."
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New toy line for it? Hard to imagine $ being left on the table. Summer movie and all.
Because all the kids want to play with an action figure of a 78-year-old man.
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I wonder if Shia LaBeouf is returning? :D
And I hope Harrison Ford doesn't try to land any planes between now and then.
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I wonder if Shia LaBeouf is returning? :D
He's probably far too involved in his current performance art piece to even notice this voicemail that was left on his iPhone:
"Hey, uhhh, Shia? Yeah, it' Stephen. Spielberg, just in case you were wondering. So, uh, I guess you heard about Indy 5, right? So, Larry is writing it, and we were going over the notes. And well, Spike died off screen in an unfortunate popsicle accident. We thought it would help inform Indy's character arc through the movie. So, uh, we're not going to need you. Okay? Bye."
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Excited.
But I hope crystal has been banned from the set.
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I wonder if Shia LaBeouf is returning? :D
He's probably far too involved in his current performance art piece to even notice this voicemail that was left on his iPhone:
"Hey, uhhh, Shia? Yeah, it' Stephen. Spielberg, just in case you were wondering. So, uh, I guess you heard about Indy 5, right? So, Larry is writing it, and we were going over the notes. And well, Spike died off screen in an unfortunate popsicle accident. We thought it would help inform Indy's character arc through the movie. So, uh, we're not going to need you. Okay? Bye."
If Indy's birthday is July 1, 1899 - they could set this Indiana Jones movie in the 70s and the "new" young character in this movie could be Mutt's son who is trying to find his grandpa to let him know about Mutt's tragic popsicle accident.
The problem is that his grandpa, Indy, has been missing for years, lost during an adventure to find the first Jedi Temple an ancient South American magic temple.
The movie ends with Mutt jr. finding Indy hiding in the temple. Mutt jr. slowly reaches out to hand Indy his long-lost whip...... >:D
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The movie ends with Mutt jr. finding Indy hiding in the temple. Mutt jr. slowly reaches out to hand Indy his long-lost whip...... >:D
*applause* Oscar-worthy already.
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There were rumors around Indy 4 that it was going to focus on Atlantis.
I think I'd like that.
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I thought Mutt grew up to be Indy's biggest rival. They meet up at an ancient Peruvian bridge over a large pit. Indy hasn't seen him for years and wants him to come home. Mutt asks if Indy could do something for him. Indy says sure. Mutt runs him through with his sword and Indy drops the idol and falls off the bridge.
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I'd like Marion to admit that Mutt is really Belloq's son. :o
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From LFL/StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-ix-and-next-indiana-jones-get-release-dates):
The fifth chapter of the Indiana Jones series is now confirmed for a July 10, 2020 release. Both Steven Spielberg, director of every Indiana Jones film, and star Harrison Ford will return.
Updated date from Disney today - 7/9/21 UNTITLED INDIANA JONES
(fyi - Harrison Ford turns 79 on July 13, 2021 :-X)
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The beginning of that movie needs to state that Kingdom of the Crystal Skull never happened and that they apologize for ever releasing that crap!
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Indy 5:
July 10, 2020
July 9, 2021
July 29, 2022
June 30, 2023
"Disney has moved the fifth “Indiana Jones” installment back nearly a year. The still-untitled film, starring Harrison Ford as the fedora-wearing, swashbuckling archaeologist, will open on June 30, 2023 instead of July 29, 2022." (source = Variety (https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-delays-doctor-strange-thor-black-panther-1235091673/))
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They better not wait too long to film it. Harrison Ford isn't going to live forever.
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From the plot rumors I've heard, I almost hope it never gets released
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Indiana Jones and the Search for the Lost Walker
God I hope this is good, but I'm skeptical just because I felt the last one was so bad.
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I'm down for it. I don't care if they're dragging him around like Weekend at Bernies.
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The new teaser trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfVYgWYaHmE) just came out.
My low expectations probably just got lowered.
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I love Indy and will still see it, but I gotta say the trailer wasn't overly compelling. I'm going to try to not get my hopes up too high for this one, especially after Crystal Skull.
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The latest trend with Disney/Lucasfilm, I would not be surprised if Indy marries Salla at the end.
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Huh… I thought it looked solid and like it has the potential to be much better than Crystal Skull.
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Huh… I thought it looked solid and like it has the potential to be much better than Crystal Skull.
That's one hell of a low bar. I have only seen KoTCS once...I have zero desire to watch that again.
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Fourth best Indiana Jones movie ever.
I bet it's fifth though by this time next year.
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It seems like the adversaries in this movie are probably some that Indy has faced before. As for Phoebe Waller-Bridge's "goddaughter" character? I'm pretty sure that I know who her father is supposed to be.
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The teaser was awful, but the new trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQfMbSe7F2g) is really solid.
Based on the new trailer I'm actually hopeful this might be decent. I better not get my hopes up after the last one, and time travel always seems like a weak gimmick.
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Caught the matinee today for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. No spoilers will be posted by me for at least several days.
I went in with low expectations and they were far, far surpassed. My new order of favorite Indy movies:
- Raiders
- Last Crusade
- Dial of Destiny
- Temple of Doom
- Crystal Skull
If you were on the fence or just going to wait for it to stream, I'd say go see it in the theater. Its worth the effort.
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Dave has nailed his Indy rankings list.
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I agree with Dave here.
The first 30 minutes of this movie were magical. Overall, I loved the film. I did think there was a segment they could have cut to keep the pace going. There's a segment that is much like Rise of Skywalker, where they search for Macguffin A to find Macguffin B (that silly Sith knife).
I found myself really sad at the end as this is most likely the swan song for one of cinema's greatest characters.
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**Spoilers**
Okay, the movie has been out for ten days or so. I'm going to discuss likes/dislikes, so if you don't want to be spoiled please click out.
Overall I thought it was a pretty good movie. Not perfect, but really, really enjoyable. I can't wait to watch it a few more times at some point. Not sure if this will make it to Disney+ or if this is a Paramount movie. Hopefully it gets released on Blu Ray at some point.
Likes:
- Harrison Ford / Indy is old, and they generally treated his character as such. They didn't have him doing crazy stunts or athletic stuff that a 70+ year old couldn't do.
- I thought the de-aging stuff at the beginning was decent. I know some people hate this stuff, but I thought it was fine.
- I liked that the Antikythera McGuffin they were going for was meaningful. It felt like if the Nazi's got this tech they could rewrite history. I ultimately felt Crystal Skull and ToD suffered a bit because the McGuffin they were after was weird and didn't feel like it was all that meaningful on a global scale.
- They kept the cast pretty small. It seems some action movies (Marvel, etc.) these days get way too sprawling with all the characters. There were basically three main characters, a couple of semi-meaningful sideckicks, and a bunch or throwaway goons.
- I loved the CGI of the Roman siege of Syracuse. Great stuff. Although I did feel the CGI around the NY parade was a lot and felt too busy.
- I didn't mind that Mutt was dead and Indy wrecked his marriage with Marion. I've read some reviews complaining about this, but this story line felt fine to me.
- The Helena Shaw character was pretty good (with a complaint below). I liked that her father was an Indy pal and that she was deeply knowledgeable about the Antikythera relic and archeology in general. She wasn't just a sidekick, but an intellectual partner in the pursuit of the Antikythera.
Dislikes (some of these are nit-picks):
- Captain Zuvio, I mean Renaldo (Antonio Banderas). I assume originally he was going to have a larger role and a bunch of content was cut. This can be super distracting when there is a such a tiny role played by a big name actor. Heck, they even made a 6" figure of him and his character was totally meaningless.
- Helena Shaw character arc. She went from a greedy black market relic dealer battling with Indy to a loyal partner trying to save the world. It felt like this change of heart was a little sudden and not well told, but maybe this was part of the Renaldo part that was cut. I also felt like she didn't ever need to be a greedy black market relic dealer. She could have always been an ally. Either way I felt like she should have been an ally from the start or her change to ally should have been more clear.
- I didn't like that Indy was teaching at some seemingly crappy community college. Maybe that was supposed to tie in to his down on his luck part of life, but I thought they could have kept the old apartment, grumpiness, etc. but had him teaching at a prestigious university. Probably a nit pick on my part, but I always loved the paradox that he was a kick ass academic and a kick ass relic hunter.
- There were lots of chases, and some got too long. Especially the Tuk Tuk chase in Casablanca (or wherever they were). It was a combo of too many locations, too many chases, and somehow the Nazis were always there right behind them, which seemed a little weird at times. Maybe the Casablanca chase just should have been with Helena's ex and not the Nazis too. This kinda combines with another nit pick - I kind of wish that Dr. Voller (Nazi scientist / leader) was more like Belloq where he was just an antiquities hunter and not also a rocket scientist. His knowledge of Archimedes, the Antikythera, etc. was extensive. He managed to know exactly where Indy/Helena were always going implying a super deep knowledge of antiquities and Archimedes even though he was neck deep in helping lead the astronauts to the moon. Also his ties with the CIA at the beginning all got a little over complicated. It could have been simpler if he was just a rich ex-Nazi antiquities hunter - maybe he plundered a bunch of the loot on the train to fund his search for the Antikythera. These are all related nits, but not a super big deal.
Overall it was really, really good. None of my complaints were large enough to really detract from the movie. Sure it could have been a little better, but it was a very enjoyable movie.
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I saw the movie last Friday. It was the first time I've been in a movie theater since February of 2020.
I had a great time, I loved it. I don't get what all the internet complaining is all about. But to each their own.