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Title: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on August 27, 2003, 11:11 PM
Any one fell like we are getting the shaft here...

They blame the rising costs on

#1 The Blackout
#2 Pipeline Rupture in Phoenix
#3 Traditional Labor Day Increase

I can stomach #3 as a reason, #1 and #2 are absolute bull****.  I realize refineries did shut down.  I also know that once they go down they just don't start up again.  It takes a long time to bring the towers back up to temperature where they can start cracking crude...

But I also know gas is stored in huge ass tanks all across the country, the dip in production for two or three days did not effect the supply to the point where there was a shortage.  Other non east coast refineries I am almost postive have not been operating at 100%...why this means everywhere in the country has to take a 10% price hike is ludicrous.  There is excess crude around, the blackout did not drop supplies to zero

Why a pipeline burst in Phoenix causes the same thing, again baffles me.  This should effect Phoenix (and it did) and parts of the west coast.  Here the gas did run out so they do have to get existing supplies down to as low as they can go.  

And I concede gas prices will go up in the summer especially over busy holiday weekends, which is actually my biggest gripe about the whole system

Oil companies own everything (besides foreign drilling operations) from the derricks to the pumps to the pipeline and tankers and rail cars to the refineries to the gas stations themselves.  Where is there any control over the industry.

Gas station owners make pennies per gallon profit, most of it is tax the rest is the price of gas which is set by a collection of suppliers much like OPEC does with crude.  They set the supply, they set the price, they make the profits.  They also are able to sell many of the chemical building blocks they recover from the oil to the chemical makers around the country and world.  So while we get oil from overseas we sell back the refined products overseas and domestically.  

The whole system stinks...all utilities in general stink.  You are at the mercy of a corporate America (and for that matter anylysts in Wall Street) dictating what prices will be and to maximize their profits they will gouge you every damn chance they get.

Nothing in my entire life sickened me more (from what I have witnessed personally) than the night of September 11 when I drove around the city and saw gas prices of $4 a gallon and people lined up to get gas.  It was amazing...that moment right there made me question the whole industry I am inately involved with and I have thought about the whole thing since that day.  

Fuel Cells are the answer to all of the problems, but people have no idea how much money that is going to cost us all.  The whole infrastructure change is mindboggling.  The sad thing I forsee is that Mobil, Exxon and BP will probably be at the forefront of this technology as well, limiting and hindering the implimentation every single damn chance they get
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Force Guy on August 28, 2003, 05:37 PM
Yes, I blame it on the monopolistic business practices of huge corporations.  I mean, is there really anyone out there to compete with Exxon/Mobil or Chevron/Texaco?  The current national average price for a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline is $1.75, an all-time high.  Unfortunately the way the system is set up, we're at the mercy of huge corporations and special interests.  The same holds true for huge pharmaceutical companies and utility companies.  They control us.  I guess it's nice to have at least one foot in the door of the nation's highest office. :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: dustrho on August 28, 2003, 08:23 PM
I think it's total crap!  That's why I've been thinking about possibly getting a hybrid car in a couple of years.  It's starting to become a joke with how high gas prices are.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on August 29, 2003, 12:10 AM
Well, Dale and I are doing pretty good on a national scale.  He's a little better being in Alberta oil country, but I'm sitting at $0.795 a liter.  I can never remember if there are four or 4.5 liters per US gallon, so at least quadruple that cost to get an idea what we're paying.  

It's a captive market.  Ride your bike, carpool, bus or whatever and it won't hurt so bad.  I'd love to, but the geniuses at the goobermint I work for decentralized the government and I now have a 60 mile commute.  And no, I can't move or my wife will have the commute.  

I'm not a big fan of hybrid cars.  Their performance lacks where it can be as cold as it is where I am.  And as far safety goes, I find them to be lacking, particularly on the highway where I spend 90% of my time.  

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.  I guess it's nice to have at least one foot in the door of the nation's highest office.
::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on August 29, 2003, 08:50 AM
Well, Dale and I are doing pretty good on a national scale.  He's a little better being in Alberta oil country, but I'm sitting at $0.795 a liter.

The prices jumped up to 79.5 cents a litre from 71.5 here. Some other places across jumped to 91.9 cents *cough* Vancouver *cough*  :o

When I went to work the other night, the gas stations were  normal that I saw, but when the night shift arrived, they told me about the price hike. That morning, I was lucky to find a Mac's store still at 71.5 so I just pulled in & filled up my truck till it puked!   ;D

Oil country! When the prices go up, we get nailed big time. Just not right in my books!

Now starting next month, the price of Natural Gas is going up to almost 30%.

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The Alberta Energy and Utilities Board has approved ATCO Gas North's application to hike natural gas prices for September by almost $1.30 a gigajoule.

Starting Monday, ATCO consumers north of and including Red Deer will start shelling out $6.317 a gigajoule for natural gas. For August, the price is $5.026 a gigajoule.
The average customer uses about five gigajoules of natural gas in September. "One can only imagine what December will bring us".

Good thing I have a wood burning fireplace. Time to go & get some wood cut for the winter storage!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: sp00ky on August 29, 2003, 09:50 AM
Gas prices suck all over!!

What gets me the most is the constant and drastic changes in the price.

$0.10 from the price it was in the morning.

Here is Ottawa we have banded together.

There is a web site (you can view it on your WAP enabled mobile phone too)  www.ottawagasprices.com

You can go there and find the lowest reported prices across the city.

Kinda neat, but relies on people reporting low prices.

Scott :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on August 29, 2003, 09:57 AM
We have a web site here too for Edmonton. Not really up to date so far!  :-\

edmontongasprices.com (http://www.edmontongasprices.com/)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on August 29, 2003, 02:12 PM
We have a site like that too, but it seldom gets updated, so...

Already dropping here in Winnipeg.  As low as $0.745 but most are at $0.774.  

It's kind of funny to watch the scene in the US where people are still unimpressed by a $0.05 a Gallon.  Canadians are so complacent we get mildly irritated by what amounts to $0.40 a gallon increases. :o

Thank goodness for Safeway and they're $0.07 off coupons :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: sp00ky on August 29, 2003, 05:04 PM

Thank goodness for Safeway and they're $0.07 off coupons :)

You have a place that gives you gas discount coupons???

Man, I wish we had that in Ottawa :(

Scott
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on August 29, 2003, 05:47 PM
Yep, maybe two years ago Safeway opened gas bars.  They started with an automatic 3.5 cent a litre discount so if it says 79.5 it's really 76.0.  Pretty cool.

Even better though are their double discounts, ramping it up to 7 cents a litre.  The problem is you never know which store is giving them out and they always expire either that day or the next at most.  Completely lucked out with both vehicles near empty and two coupons on Wednesday.  It was like gas never went up at all.  And if it can creep back down to normal by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week, it'll be like it never happened. ;D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on August 29, 2003, 10:46 PM
Good old Safeway coupons. I agree with ya Brent. You never know when they come out & whats with the same day or next day usage! I would rather have coupon mini book like Domo has a month in advance.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on August 31, 2003, 12:33 PM
Hmmm, methinks using the bicycle to go on toy runs might be a bit more economical.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on February 20, 2004, 05:48 AM
Well, gas prices around SoCal have risen about $.50 - $.60 a gallon just over the past 6-8 weeks...  Nearly every gas station around here is back over the outrageous $2.00 mark again - for the cheap stuff!   >:(

Yeah, yeah...  I know - not nearly as bad as some areas of the world (England, etc.)  But I've gotten used to about $1.45 over the years, so that's where I'd prefer it stayed for a long time!   :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on February 20, 2004, 08:36 AM
Oy! Gas prices here in The Mediocre State of New York have risen, due to the removal of an additive, that was supposed to help fuel burn cleaner, but traces were found in the ground water, so that was removed.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 20, 2004, 07:39 PM
I think the entire country should boycott Exxon or Mobil, just pick one, and buy their gas everywhere else.  The boycotted company would drop their prices dramatically and other companies would have to do the same.

If we could unite behind a strong organizer/leader, this would work.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on February 21, 2004, 12:02 AM
Oy! Gas prices here in The Mediocre State of New York have risen, due to the removal of an additive, that was supposed to help fuel burn cleaner, but traces were found in the ground water, so that was removed.

Kevin
Good ole MTBE.  Yep, just cuz you can find it means it's bad.  Trust the government ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Mainland05 on February 21, 2004, 12:56 AM
gas here in NorCal, is $1.75.. That is alot, i remember about 2 years ago after the sad tragic of 9/11, gas was .99 at one point.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jedi Idej on February 21, 2004, 02:48 PM
$1.75? Not in my part of Northern California. Typically over $2 for the cheap stuff, and a $1.90s in a station here and there.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Mainland05 on February 21, 2004, 07:48 PM
really, woah!!! that is a lot, for gas over $2 for the cheap stuff!!!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on March 4, 2004, 10:37 PM
This makes me sick. (http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/gasprices/?cnn=yes)   >:(

No wonder I've been so pissed with these insane gas prices around here in California.  They're tops in the nation - by a lot!   >:(  So while Fatty B.'s only paying about $1.57 a gallon out there in Oklahoma, my ass is paying $2.18 a gallon around here.  Actually, $2.18 is far cheaper than most of the gas stations around me.  Haven't seen anything anywhere below $2.10 in a good couple weeks.  That blows.

At least the local retail stores are helping the cause by not stocking any new Star Wars stuff in almost a couple months now.  No need to go searching anywhere 'round here.  Dry as a bone, just like my f*ck!ng gas tank!   >:(

Not that I'm bitter, or anything...   ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on March 5, 2004, 09:55 AM
Gas up here went up again! From 72.5 cents a litre to 76.9.  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on May 12, 2004, 11:42 AM
For the first time I can remember, gas broke $2 a gallon for no apparant reason this week.  Its been slowly climbing here since last year from $1.30 a gallon...

The thing that torques me the most about the whole gas price thing is the stations are making hardly anything on the gas.  They make their money on Joe Sixpack buying a pack of smokes and Mountain Dew in the store.  Most of that money goes right to the Oil Companies who are all making record profits year after year
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on May 12, 2004, 11:55 AM
The gas here went up agan last night.  >:(
From 76.9 to 88.5.   Thats 16 cents in 7 days!

Out in British Columbia, gas is around 98.5 depending on the location.

From our Sun paper:

Thanks to rising gas prices which shot up yesterday to posted record amounts of 88.5 cents a litre in Edmonton - showing someone you care costs more. "At this point our (flower) delivery price has gone up $1 per delivery," said Shannon Stormes, a floral designer at Boonie Doon Flowers. "Definitely because of the fuel prices."

The flower shop's delivery charge went up on Saturday to $10 from the previous $9, after city gas prices hit 82.5 cents per litre last week, she said.

Gasoline analyst Michael Ervin, president of MJ Ervin and Associates in Calgary, said the increase is due to several factors bumping up the price of wholesale gas. One factor is the price of crude oil going up, which yesterday hit $39.75 US per barrel for West Texas Intermediate.

"The more important factor relates to very tight supply, very tight inventory of wholesale gasoline right now," said Ervin. "When supply is tight the prices are up."

Ervin said there are still not enough refineries to meet demand. "There's just too much demand and refineries cannot keep up with that demand nor can they do anything in the short term to increase their infrastructure to meet the demand for the summer."
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on May 12, 2004, 11:58 AM
I paid $1.989 per gallon this morning.

Ugh.

My wife had to pay $2.059 to buy gas yesterday.

I am convinced that it's a conspiracy that will bring the price of gasoline to $2.25 per gallon by Memorial Day weekend.

I'm just waiting for USPS and UPS to raise their prices siting rising fuel cost as the reason.  Of course, you'll note that when fuel costs come down, UPS never lowers the prices back.

Jeff

ps
Why do they put that little 9 on the end of the price?  
So they can charge a bit more without rounding up?
Anyone know why they do that?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on May 12, 2004, 12:28 PM
Actually its the opposite, back in the early days of competing neighborhood service stations, one competitor thought he would attract customers by charging 1/10th of a penny less than the guy across the street  

Back then with the price of gas being a lot higher (inflation wise) a 1/10th of a cent was a significant price break.  

The other thing though is that the price changes by a cent or so each time, this gives the station selling the gas a larger window in which they can sell the gas and make a larger profit instead of lowering it by the 1/10th of a cent.  The stations buy on the 1/10th of a cent at $2.021 or something but you will be paying $2.039 and they could go to 2.029 the next day and 2.019 the next and still only lose a few fractions of a cent instead of slowing lowering the price 2.039...2.038...2.036 etc
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Force Guy on May 12, 2004, 12:46 PM
Thank goodness I don't drive a gas-guzzler.  Gas prices are outrageous.  Let me ask you guys, how much does it cost to fill up?  For me, it's about $20.   :(    
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on May 12, 2004, 12:51 PM
My Camry around $30 and I can usually get 22-25 MPG...the Saturn $20-$25 and that baby goes for a good 400 miles on 14 gallons
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Mikey D on May 12, 2004, 12:58 PM
Cost me $27 yesterday to fill up yesterday (and I was almost completely empty).  $1.95 a gallon for regular unleaded.  Another gas station in town, right off I-95 was $2.12 a gallon :o I don't think I've ever paid over $2 a gallon in Massachusetts.  I expect that to end soon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on May 12, 2004, 02:21 PM
For my Le Baron, it's about $20 now with the higher prices, though I've not had to fill up on my week off school between semesters.

For my Thunderbird, it takes premium...  I couldn't even tell you right now what it'd cost since I'm not driving it right now, but it'd be pretty outrageous.  It's a SuperCoupe so I have little choice but to go with the recommended fuel.  It's unhealthy for it otherwise.

Fortunately that's just a toy, and one I'm likely to sell anyway, so I'm not filling it.

My girlfriend's got a small SUV...  A Toyota I believe, of some sort, and it doesn't cost entirely too much to fill it (comparatively), but she's not one to go all over the place either so she's not running it out a lot.  Her work's like 15 or 10 minutes away too.

Where I'm hosed is that I drive my LeBaron 39 miles a day, one way, to school...  I do that two or three days a week.  Needless to say I don't make little piddlying trips around here then unless I have a  need to.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on May 12, 2004, 02:30 PM
Actually its the opposite, back in the early days ...

Huh.  Very interesting to see where that originated.  I always wondered that.

Anyway, my Saturn also costs around $20-25 to fill and gives me about 350 miles.  Very good about the gas milage.  My wife also drives a Saturn, but her's is smaller/older so she only goes $15-20 per fill and gets 275-325 per tank.

On our road trip west last fall (driving my car), I was pulling 35-38 MPG off my Saturn by just setting the cruise at 65 MPH and watching the scenery pass.  It was crazy to pull off almost 500 miles on a tank of 14 gallons!  I was totally taken by the fact that I could get to 350 mils and still have 1/4 tank left to go.

I certainly don't get that with my 7 mile, stop-light filled drive to and from work every day.  I usually average 20-24 MPG in the city (like driving to work).

Jeff
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on May 12, 2004, 03:35 PM
Yeah, that's always a kicker witht he city driving.  I go to classes in PIttsburgh but fortunately I avoid most of the heavy traffic and take some short-cuts.

The rest is mostly highway driving to my area here...

I go out in the city a lot though, for just something to entertain myself, and that has gotten costlier.  A trip down and back, not counting time in any traffic I may hit...  At least I go down that way at night when there's not really any traffic till you get to the entertainment areas.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on May 12, 2004, 04:21 PM
As always, California is leading the charge when it comes to outrageous gas prices.  Cheapest I've seen anywhere over the past week has been $2.23.  Absolutely sucks, and it ain't gonna get any better...   >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on May 12, 2004, 04:29 PM
$2.10

And people wonder why I don't drive.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Kenobi on May 12, 2004, 04:39 PM
As always, California is leading the charge when it comes to outrageous gas prices.  Cheapest I've seen anywhere over the past week has been $2.23.  Absolutely sucks, and it ain't gonna get any better...   >:(

My Local AM?PM is at 2.13 which isn't that bad were compared to other stations around me.  The local LA stations are making a big deal about the fact that this area has just reached the $3.00 a gallon price range but it's for full sevice for preiume gas.  If you don't want to spend the money pump you gas yourself and get the cheaper grade since most cars don't need it anyways.  Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Pistol Pete on May 12, 2004, 05:01 PM
Paid $2.10 a gallon today, costs $50 to fill up my Pickup too, ouch
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2004, 10:44 AM
$2.09 this morning at most places >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jadesfire on May 14, 2004, 10:54 AM
$1.98, lowest price in the State of Michigan.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on May 14, 2004, 11:15 AM
$0.919 a litre.  Four litres to the US gallon.  Can you say taxed out the ying yang? :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on May 14, 2004, 11:30 AM
Ouch, your higher than us Brent.  :-\

Still at 88.5, there is one station with the low right now, 79.9. Guess I need that Mad Max gas syphon thingy!

It will soon be a dollar a litre up here.  :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: sp00ky on May 14, 2004, 12:53 PM
Todays high in the Ottawa area...

93.9 cents / litre

Owwwwwch
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on May 14, 2004, 01:50 PM
Egad!

93.9 cents/Litre (Canadian)
=
67.6 cents/Litre (US)
=
$2.56 per Gallon

Did I do my math correctly? (3.79 L to 1 Gallon)

That sucks... $35 to fill a standard 14gal tank. :(

Jeff
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on May 14, 2004, 02:05 PM
That's about right.  The difference is in the taxes.  
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on May 14, 2004, 02:41 PM
I paid $1.89 a gallon today in New Jersey.  This is the highest I've EVER seen gas prices in NJ.  I can only imagine what the rest of the country is like, because NJ has some of the lowest gas prices nationally.  The lowest price I saw yesterday in NY state was $2.08 a gallon.  It's really getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on May 14, 2004, 07:57 PM
The lowest price I saw yesterday in NY state was $2.08 a gallon.  It's really getting out of hand.

Your telling me. I just had my neighbors gas can filled for him. (borrowed his mower, so I owed him the favor.) Good god. 2.15 a gallon.

As soon as I clicked on this thread, my grandma pulled up and told me to take the gas can over.

Shes Psychic.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on May 14, 2004, 09:47 PM
$1.95 a gallon was the most common "low" price I saw...  $1.99 was next.

I got a half tank for $1.94 today at a full serve station actually, right up the hill from me, but...

$1.94-$2 isn't cheap for us...  I was trying to explain it to the guys at Scum taking shots at each other (fun jabs perhaps) that they don't factor in local cost of living for the prices...

LA's jabbing Matt, but in Pittsburgh we're paying the equivalent because things just cost less here overall, and subsequently people are paid less on average.

Sucks, but it's the way of the world with this gas thing...  $12 was what it cost me to fill half a tank.  Monnth ago that'd have at least come close to filling my car up totally.  

Blah.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on May 14, 2004, 10:31 PM
Yep, all things are relative and California shouldn't be compared to anywhere.  

I expect within a week I'll be paying double what I did when I started my job out of town 6 years ago :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: SilverZ on May 15, 2004, 12:33 PM
Had to fill up the "nice" car yesterday, which takes minimum 91 oct. Ran me $2.56 a gallon. Thank you, Los Angeles, may I have another?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jjks on May 15, 2004, 01:22 PM
Seems to be a pretty standard $1.89 here in the Nashville area, luckily TN has always ranked among the cheapest prices for gas nationwide. I just got back from Indy yesterday and the cheapest I saw in that area wa $2.14.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on May 16, 2004, 11:47 AM
Anyone catch The Born Loser comic strip in the papers? So true with the gas prices right now.

The Born Loser 5/16/04 (http://www.comics.com/comics/bornloser/)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on June 10, 2004, 09:38 AM
Well, Memorial Day has come and gone...

The highest I saw prices here reach was $2.299 per gallon, Wednesday before Memorial Day.

Prices have been slowly trickling back down over the last two weeks.  I filled up the car this morning at $1.789 per gallon!  

I was actually excited to pay less than $1.80 per gallon again... funny how time change so quickly.  Seems like just a year ago I was paying around $1.25 per gallon and thought that was high.

:(

Jeff
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on June 10, 2004, 11:50 AM
Still 1.879 most places up here, have to make a trip south to fill up :-*
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on June 10, 2004, 11:57 AM
The cheapest I've been able to find recently is $1.99 a gallon.  This sucks.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on June 10, 2004, 12:01 PM
I had head OPEC was at max production a while ago but then announced a 10% increase the supply.  Not sure how they will do that

Read a real interesting article on Fuel Cells in my ChemE magazine...they are predicting it will be at least 20 years before the infrastructure is there to begin full scale fuel cell use

I would hope more and more and more companies start investigating Hybrids like the Prius and upcoming Escape
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on June 10, 2004, 12:06 PM
Still 1.879 most places up here, have to make a trip south to fill up :-*

Holiday Station just south of NSP Target on McKnight... 1.789 as of this morning.

:)

Jeff
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on June 10, 2004, 01:36 PM
I've found two gas stations within about 20 miles that have gas at "only" $2.25, so that's where I've been filling up.  Most gas stations around here range from the $2.30's to the $2.60's.  Sucks.   :-\

Just saw a CNN report yesterday though, that said supply's gonna be bumped up during the summer, and the prices should be dropping a little.  I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on June 10, 2004, 01:51 PM
Stopped in for gas this morning. Were hold steady at 88.5 but with my Safeway coupon, it worked out to 81.5.
7 cents off is better than nothing.   :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on June 10, 2004, 02:51 PM
If Honda would expand the range of their hybrod line to include a Hybrid CR-V or Element, I'm all over that.  It's taken this gas crunch for me to really get on board.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Kenobi on June 10, 2004, 10:45 PM
I've found two gas stations within about 20 miles that have gas at "only" $2.25, so that's where I've been filling up.  Most gas stations around here range from the $2.30's to the $2.60's.  Sucks.   :-\

Just saw a CNN report yesterday though, that said supply's gonna be bumped up during the summer, and the prices should be dropping a little.  I'll believe it when I see it.
My local Arco station is dropping its prices over the past few days it started tuesday at $2.25 and now is at $2.19 a gallon.  Hopefully this means it will eventually go down to where it was before this summer.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on June 10, 2004, 11:04 PM
In Pittsburgh we're dwn to $1.89 at a lot of shops in my area which means it's likely a LITTLE cheaper nearer the city.

It's cheaper out here if you get your gas at the local Giant Eagle or Get-Go places since Giant Eagle issues $.10 coupons per gallon at their grocery stores (should you shop there).

$1.79's not bad at all, all things cnsidered.  Sad that it was substantially less than that  not too long ago, but that's what things have come to I guess.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on June 11, 2004, 01:18 AM
I passed by a Hess station tonight and saw $1.97.  I nearly had to do a double take just to make sure I wasn't seeing things!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jokabofe on June 13, 2004, 09:46 PM
filled up today for only $2.01 a gallon. total = $24.00 - it's a good thing i work close enough to home that i can walk every day. not that i do, but i could  ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dark_Kanos on June 14, 2004, 03:08 PM
 :D It's only a dollar 88 at a local gas pump in Skowhegan Maine!  :D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jedi Idej on June 14, 2004, 08:23 PM
Woo-hoo. The cheap stuff at the station near the coffee shop I go to in the morning dropped $.02 to $2.25. ::)  Unfortunately I didn't have enough gas to get there and paid $2.33 at a nearby station.   :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Force Guy on June 15, 2004, 01:48 AM
I filled up for a relatively 'cheap' price today...$1.83 per gallon (regular).   >:(  
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 15, 2004, 02:07 AM
The national average has dropped below $2/gallon.  The official Dressel Rebel prediction is $1.50 or less by the November election.

I ain't no joke
So get yourself a pen
And write yourself a little note
So you don't forget again
Cuz when it comes to cash
I been getting smoked
OPEC took my money now I'm broke
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Diddly on June 15, 2004, 06:16 PM
Cheapest gas over here is $1.83, which sucks for me since I just got my permit. >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on June 15, 2004, 06:19 PM
Well....2.01


Glad I don't pay much for gas except for friends rides, and lawn mower fuel.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Mikey D on June 15, 2004, 06:39 PM
Just recently dropped to under $2 ($1.99) after hitting a high point of about $2.13 a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on July 20, 2004, 11:39 AM
Back down to $1.69 today after hovering around $1.79-1.89 most of early July.  I guess I'll have to hit the station on the way home tonight...

Jeff
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on July 20, 2004, 11:41 AM
We're up higher right now...  Around $1.89...  $1.85's easy enough to find thugh too.  

I've not been doing a ton of driving myself though so I've been avoiding the effects lately.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on July 20, 2004, 11:42 AM
I'm very surprised the local stations hasn't jumped all over the fatc that there have been not one but two production issues at Marathon/Ashland in the last 2 months.  That's usually good for a 25 cent price bump
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on March 10, 2005, 04:04 PM
Definitely a good time to bump this piece of crap back up.  I think it's funny that I keep seeing "National" news media outlets discussing gas hitting $2 a gallon.  Pleeeease.  We've been paying well over that in California pretty much non-stop.  I think there were a couple months late last year when we dipped into the $1.80's/$1.90's, but it was shortlived.

Most gas stations out here are hovering in the $2.40's.  Cheapest I can find ANYWHERE near me is $2.23.  Totally sucks.

The news is reporting that it's supposed to be going up an additional quarter per gallon in the next few weeks too.  I wonder when something's going to be done about this?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on March 10, 2005, 04:07 PM
Talk about Karma:
Posted by Famine:
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Well....2.01


Glad I don't pay much for gas except for friends rides, and lawn mower fuel.

Kevin



I take my road test on Monday.

And then I pick up my car.

Talk about bad timing.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on March 10, 2005, 04:14 PM
Definitely a good time to bump this piece of crap back up.  I think it's funny that I keep seeing "National" news media outlets discussing gas hitting $2 a gallon. 

Yeah, last week around these parts we hit $2.19 and I was tempted to drag this thread back up.

I drove on fumes for 2 days hoping it would drop and managed to wait it out until it was back to a "low" $1.96  ::)

Today, we're sitting at about $2.09 at most places...  >:(

Jeff
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on March 10, 2005, 05:28 PM
We're around $2, which for this area is high...  I could see stations at $1.95 yesterday though...  I have $.10 off per gallon at the local grocery store's pumps so I'll be going there.  I do shop there, so I rack up the cents off.

Just sucks how things are going up up up just in time for C3.   ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on March 10, 2005, 05:30 PM
Just sucks how things are going up up up just in time for C3.   ::)

Conspiracy! George works for the Govt!

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on March 10, 2005, 05:43 PM
Watch every gas station have a commercial for Star Wars.  At that point I'd become suspicious.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Infamy Of Crete on March 10, 2005, 06:18 PM
If you think now is bad, just wait five years when refineries production will plummit with China and the pacfic rim taxing the amount of production you ain't seen nothing yet. If I where you I would be seriously thinking about a hybrid or live really close to work. This is only the beginning of bad things to come. I'm not kidding I might be off a few years but in the very near future Consumptiopn levels will tap production levels and then the production levels will plummit causing gas prices of the like you can't even begin to phathom.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on March 10, 2005, 07:03 PM
Up here in taxland, we pay 85.9 cents a litre, which comes out to $3.24 a gallon.  I believe over 50% of that cost is due to taxes.   I love Canada!  :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2005, 02:58 AM
It just went over $2 a gallon here. It's $1.98 in some places, $2.03 in most others.

Can't wait to see $3 a gallon when summer rolls around...  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on March 15, 2005, 11:37 AM
Watch every gas station have a commercial for Star Wars.  At that point I'd become suspicious.

7/11 has a promo for Star Wars. :-\ :o

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Broem on March 15, 2005, 02:47 PM
My parents drive me nuts with the gas prices.  Why?  Because I have to hear the following.  "Gas station xx over on such and such street has gas for 1 penny lower than Gas stations bb,  yy and zz.  You should go get gas tonight there to SAVE MONEY!!!" 

They drive all over the place all the time trying to find the cheapest gas price.  Yet, they have allready wasted the money on gas that it would have taken just to stop at one place and get it there and get on with life. 

I know, it's no big deal but I hear it ALL the time from them and it's just annoying as hell. 

LOL!   
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on March 15, 2005, 03:05 PM
I got a few 7 cent off coupons from DOMO, so that will bring it down to 77.9 cents per litre from 84.9 but still... :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on March 15, 2005, 03:08 PM
Same with my Grandparents.

Yikes.

Oh well, when I have a house, a mortgage, children, a full time job, bills, and a hobby, I'll be a penny pincher too.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on March 15, 2005, 05:33 PM
Most Pittsburgh News stations are running a thing where they tell you the cheapest in your area.

I'm irked because Giant Eagle is under fire here because they are giving the $.10 coupons for shopping at their stores (Every $50 you spend gets you $.10/Gal. off at "Get-Go" pumps), and now all the gas stations are bitching that it's not fair and they're trying to get it stopped. 

Which, if they did do that, I'll be going to Get-Go out of spite to the others, irregardless.  Their price will just be the same as everyone else, so I'll go there and give the finger to all the other stations.  They can lose money.  I hope they rot, the bastards.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Broem on March 15, 2005, 07:40 PM
Same with my Grandparents.

Yikes.

Oh well, when I have a house, a mortgage, children, a full time job, bills, and a hobby, I'll be a penny pincher too.

Kevin

I have all that stuff to.  However, it's also hard hearing it from them because they like to eat out everday at McDonald's for breakfast and lunch.  So, they really are not penny pinching.  Tell them that though and I risk the arguement of the century.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on March 30, 2005, 09:25 AM
******* gas went up here yesterday, 89.9 cents per litre. Thats the highest we have had. Just great, gas is suppose to go down after the long weekend not up!  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on March 30, 2005, 11:59 AM
It's been 89.9 here for a week.   >:(

Our all time high here is 95.9 for regular.

Unfortunately, the most I've paid for gas is 104.9 ($1.049/litre) because my car runs on Premium.  Of course, the dealer never told us that - I found that out after we bought it.    >:(  >:(

 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on March 30, 2005, 12:05 PM
$0.889 here for three weeks >:(  We've hit $0.999 before :o

We need to raise the price of Hydro Electric power. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on March 30, 2005, 12:08 PM
We've been hovering around $2.05 to $2.19 for the past 2 weeks...

that reminds me, better get gas on the way home before it creeps up for the weekend again.   ::)

Jeff
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Brian on March 30, 2005, 12:16 PM
For about the past week+, it has been around $2.24 give or take, depending on your gas "flava".  Waaay too much.  It seems to me, at least with us, that when gas gets this high it discourages you from ever leaving town.  It costs about as much to drive back to see our parents as it would if we just went on a vacation or something :P.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on March 31, 2005, 12:00 AM
I was thinking about going out of town this weekend to see other store's displays, but at more than $2 a gallon, I doubt I'll go.

I'm glad I'm working some overtime, what with these gas prices. ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on March 31, 2005, 01:19 AM
Fudge packer >:( (not you Ben, just in general).  They hiked the price up today to 92.5.  I was out earlier and no increase.  After dinner, four cents a litre.   >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on March 31, 2005, 03:18 PM
In Pittsburgh we're hovering at $2.13 as the lower-end price that isn't TOO hard to find...  For this area that is a lot, especially considering we have one of the lower cost-of-living rates in the U.S. for a fair sized city.

I was a little under 1/4 tank yesterday and down at school so I had to put some in before I came home.  $10 just barely got me over half a tank, and that blows.  When $20 doesn't put an empty tank over full on my car, then I'm bumming.

To top it off then, as mentioned earlier, the convenience stores/gas stations in the area are all ganging up AGAINST the one salvation.  Giant Eagle's Get-Go stations are under fire because their program where if you buy $50 worth of groceries on your advantage card you get $.10/gallon off...  I've got like $.30/gallon accumulated so far myself which brings the price back to bareable.

The gas/convenience stations though are saying that what Giant Eagle is doing is illegal, and they're trying to have the state stop their promotion, and in turn screw us.  I was talking to a manager at a local station who was defending the actions, and I told her I'd go to Get Go stations EXCLUSIVELY if the other stations screwed that up.  I can fill an empty tank at a Get-Go for a half-assed price at least, but I still use the gas stations in the city and such when I'm there.  If the stations screw that up though, I'm gonna just budget my gas so I only fill at Get-Go's unless absolutely necessary to do so otherwise.   >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on March 31, 2005, 04:35 PM
$2.21 at stewarts, $2.23 at Getty, $2.25 at Cumbys, IIRC.

Damn DAMN DAMN.

This trip is gonna cost me a fortune. I remeber when gas was $2.10 and the further south you went, the price went down. Doesn't look like it this time.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Logray2776 on March 31, 2005, 10:33 PM
Well down here in sunny south florida its staying a steady 2.21 a gallon. Which sucks because of the new car i just got, big gas tank bad gas mileage.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: kailos on April 2, 2005, 02:25 PM
Well in the canary island i pay right now for a litre of unleaded, .64 € (.80 $) in Spain its in 0.9€ and in the most of Europe its in 1.25€
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 2, 2005, 02:44 PM
$2.34/gallon for 87 regular in Utica NY

When did gold shavings start being added to fuel?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Cory Chaos on April 6, 2005, 10:32 PM
$2.35 just yesterday in Minneapolis, however, it dropped to $2.14 locally, and I could swear to you it's watered down.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on April 6, 2005, 10:39 PM
My brain is about to completely explode right now with the gas prices.  I filled up at the cheapest spot around, like usual, and it was $2.45 a gallon.  And that's the CHEAPEST gas anywhere nearby.  It's gotten totally out of control and I think it's time something was seriously done about it on a federal, or at least state, level.  It's killin' me, I tells ya'.  :-\

Most all of the places around here are in the $2.60's - $2.70's range though.  Stinkin' oil bastards.  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on April 7, 2005, 05:40 AM
We're still at $2.19 or so...  I'm praying it goes down before the 20th...  That something is done.

I pray they develope a simple add-on hybrid kit for cars. :)  I can dream, can't I?  I'd buy it in a heartbeat at this point though.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: stormie on April 7, 2005, 08:55 AM
Had to fill up at $2.61 yesterday (of course, at the lowest octane available). This was at one of the cheaper places. Later in the day, the station I normally go to near my home was at $2.69. It'll be interesting to see where they're at this afternoon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 7, 2005, 11:41 PM
I'm gonna cry. $2.35 a gallon. Unfreakin real. I dont know what kind of mileage my car gets yet, either. I feel that I'm gonna be paying out the ASS for this trip, in fuel costs. :(

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on June 23, 2005, 08:31 AM
Holy ******* lick! Gas here jumped up to a record 91.5 cents a litre and some places were at 91.9 cents per litre. We were at 87.4 cents per litre for awhile but now...  :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on June 23, 2005, 10:22 AM
2.25 all the sudden...what the crap? :-X

At least 25 bucks usually fills my tank...

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jadesfire on June 23, 2005, 08:38 PM
Unleaded is $2.26 here in Upper Michigan.  Add .10 for premium.

I'm too lazy to figure out my Canadian counterparts price in gallons per dollar...so Dale is 91.5 a litre close to $2.26?? :-\

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on June 23, 2005, 09:02 PM
The regular unleaded gas STARTS at around $2.35 out here (at the cheapest place), and goes all the way up to about $2.75 per gallon.  Add another 10 or 20 cents to that for the next two grades up...

******' sucks.  >:(

Bastards.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris on June 23, 2005, 09:09 PM
Christ it does suck. I was lucky and got mine early this week at $2.01 before it went up to $2.25+. At that price it's about $45-50 to fill my tank. :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on June 23, 2005, 09:53 PM

I'm too lazy to figure out my Canadian counterparts price in gallons per dollar...so Dale is 91.5 a litre close to $2.26?? :-\


1 gallon = 3.78 L

$0.915CDN/L x 3.78L/gallon = $3.47CDN/gallon

$0.915CDN = $0.7418US (http://pages.ebay.ca/services/buyandsell/currencyconverter.html)

$3.47CDN/gallon x $0.7418US/$0.915CDN = $2.81US/gallon   >:(

Official proof:  Canada sucks.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on June 23, 2005, 10:03 PM
We're still hovering at $2.19...   Lovely.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Diddly on June 23, 2005, 10:42 PM
It's $2.05 locally, but around $2.15 along IH-35 and farther into Austin...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jadesfire on June 24, 2005, 01:15 PM

$3.47CDN/gallon x $0.7418US/$0.915CDN = $2.81US/gallon   >:(

Official proof:  Canada sucks.

Ouch... :o
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Brian on June 24, 2005, 01:48 PM
We're sitting at $2.15 (for the cheapest) in town right now, up from $2.05 earlier in the week.  Not nearly as bad as some of your areas, but still more than enough for me.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Mikey D on June 24, 2005, 02:45 PM
Hovering anywhere from $2.17 to $2.25 for regular in Beantown.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jediknight760071 on June 24, 2005, 02:54 PM
What did I pay yesterday???


I think it was $2.41 :o

And down by the beach: $2.53 :o
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dimetrodon on June 24, 2005, 03:11 PM
up until about a week or so ago one place was at 1.99, now the only price I see is 2.11 as cheapest. the highest is 2.25
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on June 25, 2005, 12:57 AM
$2.15 today.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jediknight760071 on June 26, 2005, 02:13 AM
Bastards....$2.47 >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Diddly on June 26, 2005, 02:15 AM
Serves you right for using that high tech pump that removes that smell.

Does California still have those?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jediknight760071 on June 26, 2005, 02:57 AM
I don't know...but I like the smell.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on June 26, 2005, 03:07 AM
It's around $2.10 here. Guess it's going back up for the July 4th holiday. I think I'll buy gas on Wednesday that way I should avoid the even higher prices Thursday-Monday.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Vator on June 26, 2005, 03:55 AM
$2.15 round these parts. I can recall when it was only $.98 too.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on August 11, 2005, 08:50 PM
******* gas went up again... 97.9 cents a litre.  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on August 11, 2005, 08:52 PM
Ok, that's funny.  Not ha ha funny, stupid funny.  It's 97.9 in Saskatchewan too.  How come the province that doesn't have a provinicial tax is paying the same price as one with a 7% tax?

Nice to see that all of that oil you guys are living on is paying off for you.  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on August 11, 2005, 08:55 PM
I've been meaning to bump this one back up for a while here, since gas prices are once again at an all-time high here in the States.  Ratbastards are charging a minimum of $2.60 per gallon out here in SoCal, and that's for the crappy gas, at the cheapest stations in town.  Most places are selling the cheap stuff for 10 - 20 cents more than that.  We'll be at $3 a gallon pretty soon here, I bet.  Screw the extended toy hunting nowadays...  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on August 11, 2005, 09:05 PM
Ok, that's funny.  Not ha ha funny, stupid funny.  It's 97.9 in Saskatchewan too.  How come the province that doesn't have a provinicial tax is paying the same price as one with a 7% tax?

Nice to see that all of that oil you guys are living on is paying off for you.  ::)

Because it's a provincial tax that they don't pay, not one of the taxes on gas.  But hold your gas tanks boys, to the east and west it's over $1.00.  Will be soon for you and I Jesse, a matter of days if not hours.

The translation btw, is $4.00 a US gallon.  After exchange it's only $3.20 US
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on August 11, 2005, 09:10 PM
And yet, a certain oil company makes $7 billion profit in a ******* quarter of a year.

Where's Tom Brokaw and his 'Fleecing of America' (and Canada) when you need it?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 11, 2005, 09:36 PM
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And yet, a certain oil company makes $7 billion profit in a ******* quarter of a year.

Not to mention the equally large tax break they receive from the federal government.   ::)

It's actually becoming really clear around my area that some major league gouging is going on.  Here's the rundown of regular unleaded gas prices since last Friday:

August 05:  $2.059
August 06:  $2.099
August 07:  $2.159
August 08:  $2.199
August 09:  $2.259
August 10:  $2.299
August 11:  $2.359
August 12:  ??????

I actually went out of town earlier this morning and one gas station (what I call "out of the loop" stations) actually had regular UL at 2.499 a gallon (which in a rural area, is as high as I have ever seen it get).  A report on CNN yesterday had a station in NYC at $2.81 for regular UL, and they said it would probably reach 3 bucks a gallon by the end of the year.  I'll go one better: I'll say it hits 3 bucks a gallon by the end of the month.

I think that a lot of the independent gas stations watch Fox News and see that the national average is 2.45 a gallon, for example.  Not understanding mathematics, they say, "Well if they're charging 2.45 a gallon, we need to raise our prices to just under that level or at that level."  This drives the national average up even higher, and the cycle repeats itself.  This doesn't even take into consideration the fact that gasoline sales are the only area I can think of where people try to price their product higher and higher, with all the other stations raising their prices as well to "compete." 

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Screw the extended toy hunting nowadays.

With gas prices becoming what they are, Matt, screw any non-essential travelling nowadays at all.   ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jessica-of-Naboo on August 11, 2005, 09:46 PM
 >:( i have cut back my driving
i drive the speed limit and morons blow right past  by me

i wish people would slow down
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Diddly on August 11, 2005, 09:48 PM
I saw the same increases as DocP. One day it's a nice, low $2.06, the next day it's 10 cents more! :o

Local newspapers are also predicting $4 a gallon by January... great... ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on August 11, 2005, 11:36 PM
I truly doubt it will reach 4 dollars a gallon.

Anyone see Oilstorm on FX? It was a special about what would happen if oil production was hampered, and so on. It was a fact based fictional deal, similar to their Smallpox special.

I'm starting to store canned goods and ammunition.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on August 12, 2005, 01:14 AM
I posted this in the car thread but I'll do it again here....

I think the gas thing a little overrated.  Historically, gas prices have been well behind inflation.  I realize there is some price gouging and stuff happening and the record profits being made by oil companies is a little disheartening but in the long run $2-$3 a gallon is not too bad, especially compared to Europeans and again historical low prices of crude and gas in general

(http://www.chartoftheday.com/20030827.gif)

Psychologically it seems worse but we're actually better off than we were in the 80's.  Also, cars, even big cars and SUVs are getting better and better milage.  Hybrids and Fuel Cells are right around the corner and I hope this is the push that gets us there.  Both from an econimic but also from a coolness stand point. 


ADD:  I believe I read today that in the early 80's Crude was at $90 a barrel in todays dollars.  Its nowhere near that yet.  Sure it hurts more than it used to and sure there is some fleecing going on but the sky is not falling
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on August 12, 2005, 02:21 AM
I think the "sting" people are feeling is the pace at which things are increasing coupled with the fact that people's pays aren't really skyrocketing overall either...  It's just ugly out there for most.

I know that $18 to get my car close to full from 1/4 tank is REALLY not doing me much good in the wallet.  I've even cut random trips down and it just has sucked.

What I'm trying to take advantage of more than anything is "deals".  For instance our grocery store chain's have a deal where you spend so much using your "advantage card" and you get $.10 off per gallon at their "Get-Go" stations.  That's ok if you spend a ****load on food at least...  It's like $.10 off per gallon for every $50 spent in the store.  I've got a gas can I fill now when I fill up using my advantage card discount I've saved up...  Paid $.70/gallon one day and filled as many gas cans as I have, plus my car, haha.

That $18 tonight though just blew...  :(  Running to football games and practices just bit me in the ass since that's where my gasoline went lately.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on August 12, 2005, 11:10 AM
The gas thing is a wee bit infuriating for me.  My job was moved from the city, where I could bike or bus easily, even carpool with my wife, to a town 60 miles to the southwest.  It's an agriculture based job so it belongs in the country is the rationale.  We'll completely ignore that the US extension system is based out of universities for the moment.  So I drive 120+ miles a day, on my own ticket because the government decentralized. 

I don't want to drive that much.  I don't think it's a good thing to do.  I don't think it's environmentally friendly.

But I'm not moving out here because then my wife would be the one making the exact same commute, only in reverse. 

I could find a different job, but this one pays well, I mostly enjoy it and honestly, there are not that many jobs for entomologists around. 

So basically I'm hooped buying a tank of gas a week minimum, just for commuting.  I cannot request a transfer back into the city as that's perceived as anti-agriculture. 

This sucks. [/rant]
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 12, 2005, 12:24 PM
Today's Gasshole Update:  The station which I chronicled in my earlier post has kept up their trend and gas is now $2.399 a gallon for regular UL.  If that wasn't bad enough, the Chevron that is more or less directly beside me has raised its gas price to $2.499 a gallon.   ::)

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I think the "sting" people are feeling is the pace at which things are increasing coupled with the fact that people's pays aren't really skyrocketing overall either...  It's just ugly out there for most.

Exactly.  The price of everything just keeps going up and up and up, but wages are staying the same.  Without getting political, "our representative government" is hellbent on not raising the minimum wage, but they readily vote themselves raises whenever the moment suits them.  Alan Greenspan I'm not, but when companies across the board wonder why their sales are down, all they need to do is look at the current trend of service prices exceeding wages, and they'll have their answer.

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Anyone see Oilstorm on FX? It was a special about what would happen if oil production was hampered, and so on. It was a fact based fictional deal, similar to their Smallpox special.

Yeah, Kevin, I think that both of those shows/movies were very interesting and very thought-provoking.  I love "mockumentaries" along those lines, and what scared the hell out of me was that both of them could actually happen.  I'm a pretty tin-foil hat type of guy to begin with so maybe that's coloring my appreciation of those films, but it all seemed so plausible.  Doesn't stop me from hoping it won't happen though. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jayson on August 12, 2005, 12:28 PM
Got gas this morning… 92 octane $2.66 per gal.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: chuckles on August 12, 2005, 12:47 PM

Without getting political, "our representative government" is hellbent on not raising the minimum wage, but they readily vote themselves raises whenever the moment suits them.   

Actually, didn't minimum wage just increase to $6.15 like this month? That's a buck an hour raise. Now if they'd just give everyone a buck an hour raise, things would be a little easier.

Gas for me was $2.55 yesterday. I remember when it sucked ass just paying $2 a gallon. How I long for those days now.  :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: SpudTrooper on August 12, 2005, 01:19 PM
remember back in the day when gas was $.99.. >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: phpcodingninja on August 12, 2005, 02:38 PM
I couldn't drive, but I do remember the .99 days.  Now being 19 years old, I'm just glad I drive a small car.  When I first started driving going to high school and what not, I'd fill my tank up for 10 bucks.  Now I'm paying close to 20 to fill the whole tank, when I'm about empty.  Being a college kid now, I really don't have the money to be throwing away to the gas tank....Just glad she's a small car.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on August 12, 2005, 03:23 PM
Mmm...I remember when 5 bucks would put me at half a tank. Now 5 bucks barely breaches a quarter of a tank. :-\

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on August 12, 2005, 04:26 PM
After putting $50 worth of gas in my truck yesterday, I actually considered selling my beloved 4X4.   If I could find another pickup, possibly the Titan, with better mileage, I might consider getting rid of it.

Although gas really is creaping up slower than inflation, it has made a huge jump in the past year and a half.  Living on a teacher's salary that increases at a lower rate than inflation, this is shortly going to become a sticky situation.  Lucky for my wife and I (both teachers) I don't drive my truck except to work...but she drives about 30 miles one way in her little Hyundai Santa Fe.  Her mileage is pretty good, but not so much for my Ford. 

FWIW, if you guys are having some issues, a tune up and regular oil changes will help to a degree.  The engine will run more efficient...also be sure to keep your tire pressure at the recommended levels.  Preventative maintenance will help with fuel efficiency, as well as long term damage to the pocketbook when something breaks.

Sorry that's long, my mind is kind of jumping all over the place.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: vegastrooper on August 12, 2005, 06:30 PM
Gas prices went up every day at the station I fill up at...last Sunday, paid $2.65...today, paid $2.77!  Still see gas hitting $3 pretty soon. :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jessica-of-Naboo on August 12, 2005, 09:11 PM
between $2.40 to 2.49 >:(

i know gas will hit $3.00 gallon

most people don't care because they put everything on credit cards

that oil storm movie was very eye opening

a bigger problem is starting up in venuezuela  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on August 12, 2005, 09:27 PM
Damn, in comparison to the prices I've seen here, it almost feels like a bargain filling up at $2.38 a gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on August 12, 2005, 11:38 PM
******* gas went up again... 97.9 cents a litre.  >:(

I warned ya.  Ours jumped to $1.059 today.  $4.22 a gallon
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on August 13, 2005, 12:01 AM
It's still 97.9 here. ****! The sign of things to come.  >:(  :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Bob Crane on August 13, 2005, 12:11 AM
LMAO, someone should have listened to Tesla.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on August 13, 2005, 12:22 AM
Vancouver, anywhere from 109.9 - 114.9 cents per litre.  :o
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on August 15, 2005, 05:22 PM
Great article over at cnn.com.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/08/15/hybrid.tinkerers.ap/index.html

250 miles per gallon - can be done, there's just too much political BS....
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on August 15, 2005, 06:32 PM
When I filled on the weekend it was $2.29 I think. I saw $2.66 today. That actually kind of scared me. (http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a062.gif) Could this a harbinger of the impending "Oil Crash" that doomsayers have been predicting for years?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on August 15, 2005, 07:34 PM
I filled up at our local BJ's Warehouse yesterday and the members' price was $2.39  -- non members $2.47 -- the highest I ever recall seeing.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 15, 2005, 08:02 PM
Not to get political here, but ****, we spent hundreds of billions of dollars toppling a terrorist regime and liberating oppressed people in Iraq, I don't see the harm in a little oil repayment here.  It's a temporary solution until we're all driving hydrogen and electric cars, or at the very least gas/electric hybrids.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on August 15, 2005, 08:25 PM
Not to get political here, but ****, we spent hundreds of billions of dollars toppling a terrorist regime and liberating oppressed people in Iraq, I don't see the harm in a little oil repayment here.  It's a temporary solution until we're all driving hydrogen and electric cars, or at the very least gas/electric hybrids.

Nah, because then you start getting accused of war of oil - and that would be a terrible thought.


Either way, we'd better get the best minds and the best funding behind getting us off of oil asap.  There's no excuse for continuing to be beholden to these SOB's any longer than absolutely necessary.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 15, 2005, 08:32 PM


Nah, because then you start getting accused of war of oil - and that would be a terrible thought.



I've never heard the phrase "Blood For Oil" uttered before, would anyone really accuse Bush of that?  :D


Quote from: Kneel Before Zod link=topic=2505.msg152515#msg152515


Either way, we'd better get the best minds and the best funding behind getting us off of oil asap.  There's no excuse for continuing to be beholden to these SOB's any longer than absolutely necessary.

Agreed, but we are no less than 10 years away, something has got to tide us over.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on August 15, 2005, 08:52 PM
Not to get political here...

Then PLEASE don't.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 15, 2005, 09:33 PM
Local gas stations here are staying around the $2.449 mark for the most part in the last few days.  I'm wondering how much of that has to do with it being the weekend (since they can't sit and watch CNBC for up-to-the-minute stock reports and "adjust" their prices accordingly).   ::)

The thing that made me really sad was a guy interviewed by the local news saying that the rising gas prices were not going to keep him from driving his 3MPG small penis compensator Escalade SUV.  I was actually a bit shocked he wasn't talking on his cellphone while the TV person was interviewing him.   :P

The rising gas prices might be affecting us in a lot more ways as the year goes on.  Truck drivers are (naturally) having to pay high gas prices too, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more of the shipping companies that we use (UPS, FedEx, etc) start charging a higher fuel surcharge, resulting in an increase in shipping rates.  Hell, the USPS has been trying like crazy people for the last year to get another postage increase approved, so the increase in gas prices might be what allows them to do so.

I'm sure we're all intelligent enough here to realize that paying 3.00 a gallon for our own gasoline is only the tip of the iceberg.   :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on August 15, 2005, 09:41 PM
I filled up both cars yesterday...  $2.46 per gallon!

Saturn Vue - $26.50
Mitsubishi Gallant - $37.50

Total = $64.00  :o


The only redeeming factor about that is that when I went by the Station today, the price had jumped to $2.699 per gallon!

Got lucky and saved myself about $6 thanks to filling up on a lazy Sunday...  :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Diddly on August 15, 2005, 09:43 PM
Prices are between $2.50-$2.65 around here. They keep rising every day.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 15, 2005, 10:43 PM
Not to get political here...

Then PLEASE don't.



When we're at war with 2 of the countries in the part of the world that we get almost all of the oil from, I don't see the harm in bringing up a few intelligent points in a civil manner with Zod, and I think we achieved that.  No personal foul.

 :D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 15, 2005, 10:45 PM
Oh, I just filled up for $2.63 9/10 a gallon.  Personal foul.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on August 15, 2005, 10:47 PM
I just saw on the news that in Germany its around $5.50 a gallon and in the Netherlands its over $6 a gallon.  Could be worse :-[
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 15, 2005, 10:53 PM
The real threat here is inflation.  If fuel costs keep rising, the price to produce everything goes up.  Walmart recently raised the prices $.25 on almost all items citing fuel costs.  It costs more for people to go to work, they need raises.  Then the employers need to raise product prices.  Then you pay more.  A true tale of great sorrow and woe.

However, this will not last much longer.  The Arabs have done this in the past, and as soon as we start seriously talking about alternative energy funding, they'll drop the price so much that fuel will be so cheap, we stop talking about alternative energy.  Then they got us again, because a decade later they'll jack up the price of a barrel of oil to $60 again, and we'll be caught with our pants down worse than Morgbug in a fantasy football draft, because fuel was so cheap for 10 years that we had no need to come up with alternative energy.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on August 15, 2005, 11:08 PM
I really think the ball is rolling though.  Toyota is going nuts with the Prius and has announced lots of new Hybrids in the next few years.  American car makers always one to be on top of things are lagging far far behind. 

It doesn't make financial sense to buy a Hybrid.  You don't make up in manufacturing costs what you save in fuel costs.  Which is probably true.  The Prius MSRPs for $21000.  Which rather spendy for a small car.  Say a comparable model (Camry?) is $18,000

$3000 difference...

Camry gets 28 mpg
Prius gets 45 mpg

Average yearly mileage say is 10k miles (more for Brent)

Camry Fuel Cost = $2.50 x 10000 miles /28 mpg = $892 Dollars

Prius Fuel Cost = $2.50 x 10000 miles/ 50 mpg = $500

$392 a year more for gas for the camry...that's still a 7.5 year pay back on gas.  That's part of the reason why it doesn't make a ton of sense.  I know 10,000 is probably conservative...if its 20000 then its still almost 4 years.

Its more of a feel good thing right now until the cost of production comes down.  I'm excited because this is some stuff the field I am in is working on...Ethanol, Biodiesel, Fuel Cells, Hydrogen etc
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on August 16, 2005, 01:41 AM
We've got bigger issues than the cost of manufacturing.  We've got pollution issues, we've got terrorism issues, we've got 'the-world-is-running-out-of-oil' issues, and so on.

Extrapolate that yearly savings over the life of the car and it works out better in just about every way imagineable.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on August 16, 2005, 07:45 AM
By winter the economy is going to be all F'ed up with these prices.  Look at it this way.  The average person gets anywhere from a 3-5% raise each year.  Most do not get a cost of living anymore.  Gas in my area has gone up .50 in the last 6 months.  I average between 21 and 23K miles of commuting each year like most people who live on the outskirts of big cities (since home prices and taxes are murder here in the Boston area).  Home heatng oil has doubled in the last year.  Do the math.  I wont have the kind of disposable cash just like millions of others will not.  Retail is going to take a beating this X-Mas. And while hybrids are great ideas.  The price they command is just not worth it yet.  There really is no huge savings unless you plan on keeping that same car for an insane amount of years. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on August 16, 2005, 09:56 AM
We've got bigger issues than the cost of manufacturing.  We've got pollution issues, we've got terrorism issues, we've got 'the-world-is-running-out-of-oil' issues, and so on.

Extrapolate that yearly savings over the life of the car and it works out better in just about every way imagineable.
Oh I realize that...I was just explaining why Ford and Chevy have been reluctant to do so
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on August 16, 2005, 07:38 PM
Well so much for that! We broke the record today at $102.9.  >:(

I was lucky to find a couple of stations still at 97.9 so I filled her up to the nuts plus I had my coupon for an extra 7 cents of per liter. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on August 16, 2005, 08:03 PM
Enough of us here remember the last time gas was this crazy.  Around 1981 I believe.  So who had there gas stolen right out of there auto back then.  I can remember our family car got siphoned a few gallons that year. I havent seen any reporting on the news as of yet, but if it hasnt already started, Im sure it will soon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on August 16, 2005, 08:18 PM
I havent seen any reporting on the news as of yet, but if it hasnt already started, Im sure it will soon.

The local news here has had a few stories of siphoning, mostly involving places with "fleet vehicles" and low security - a place where they can get more bang for the buck.

Gas drive-offs aren't the only form of theft rising with fuel prices (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=104093)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Bob Crane on August 16, 2005, 09:15 PM
Today I saw a couple of dudes actually standing beside a gas station, holding signs protesting the high cost of gas. I wanted to stop and yell, “hey, this peaceful demonstration crap won’t get you anywhere, better to march down to city hall and burn some briefcases!” benevolent schmucks…
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Loopy_Leia on August 17, 2005, 01:42 PM
I asked my dad how much gas was yesterday since I have sold my van and now am home bound and he said it was $2.48 just at the gas station up the road.  I didn't ask how much it was in the city or near the interstates.  I realize that it would be quite a bit higher near interstates.  I am moving in September (after labor day week) and I am hoping that gas prices will go down because I would hate to have to put that much money into the moving truck I'm renting. :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JoshEEE on August 17, 2005, 02:15 PM
This morning I paid 2.86/gallon to fill my little Beetle.  It was almost 40 bucks when I was done.

I fear that soon I'll be crossing the 40 dollar mark, and at that point, gas will have more than doubled in the 5 years I've owned it.  I remember when approaching 20 dollars used to seem high.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on August 17, 2005, 02:19 PM
I'm seriously getting sick of this fuel deal.

My local gas station had cheap prices, so to combat over crowding (get this), they closed 2 pumps, and only had 2 pumps running. Plus it's new policy that you have to pull up to the store and get out and pay. Soon they'll only have 1 pump open, and all hell will break loose.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JoshEEE on August 17, 2005, 02:21 PM
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Soon they'll only have 1 pump open, and all hell will break loose.


Where the heck do you live?  Is there only one gas station?  Or is that just the only one with cheap gas?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on August 17, 2005, 02:23 PM
Ravena, New York. 3 gas stations. And it was the only one with "cheap" gas. 2.59 vs 2.67 and 2.69.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JoshEEE on August 17, 2005, 03:16 PM
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Ravena, New York. 3 gas stations.

Well I guess that does make sense then.  I pass 7 gas stations just on my commute, and that's just a fraction of what's around if I deviate from that golden path.

I can't imagine the prices that we'd have if there were only 3.  Some places in Seattle already soar north of 3 dollars for Premium....so I know it's only a matter of time before I'm paying that much.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on August 17, 2005, 07:53 PM
With my commute, I am now almost hitting $60 a week. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on August 18, 2005, 05:24 PM
I'm above $60/week - it's just not worth it anymore.

I need to find something new - even if it pays less, I'll be home more and I'll be saving $250+ a month in gas....


 :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on August 18, 2005, 06:02 PM
How much you want to bet that Bycicle sales go up within the next two months?

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on August 18, 2005, 06:02 PM
We're up to $2.59 now -- a $.20 increase in 4 days.  I'm so glad I don't have to commute anymore and only have to run a few local errands.  My husband drives about 60 miles r/t to work on a full sized pickup :-[
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Diddly on August 22, 2005, 11:52 PM
$2.49 at the closest gas station. 12 gallons for $30 and six pennies.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: MetalJedi on August 24, 2005, 03:38 AM
My closest gas station is at 2.73 right now.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Reid on August 27, 2005, 09:59 PM
Highest in my area is $3.05.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on August 27, 2005, 10:27 PM
Gas Prices as of yesterday:

2.65 a gallon, USD. 23 dollars didn't even top off my tank. And I was on "E". I've been trying to hold out on purchasing gas hoping the price will sink a few pennies.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: SpudTrooper on August 27, 2005, 10:48 PM
I filled $2.79 today  ???
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on August 27, 2005, 11:24 PM
I don't know, did you?

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on August 28, 2005, 12:45 AM
$2.45 here in Utah. I wonder when gas will be the same price as an OTC figure at $4.77?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jjks on August 31, 2005, 11:01 AM
Gas was $2.45 last night, and all the way up to between $2.79 and $2.85 this morning  >:(

Premium was $3.05, which is completely insane. There's an article on CNN right now saying that $4 a gallon is right around the corner for us. Looks like rain or shine, I'm going to be spending a lot of time on my motorcycle now.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on August 31, 2005, 11:04 AM
I filled up Monday night on the way home from work... $2.599 per gallon.

Then, it went like this:

Tues AM - $2.699 per gallon
Tues PM - $2.799 per gallon
Wed AM - $2.899 per gallon


If the pattern holds, it should be $2.999 per gallon on the way home from work today...  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: chuckles on August 31, 2005, 11:08 AM
According to twincitiesgasprices.com, there is already a place that is charging over $3 a gallon, with several others at $2.99, including one place that is just a block from where I work. Luckily I filled up just 3 days ago, at the low low price of only $2.59 a gallon.  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Brian on August 31, 2005, 11:09 AM
Much the same here.  I filled up on Monday at noon or so, at $2.59/gallon.  It has since jumped up to $2.79/gallon (for the cheapest).  Crazy...definitely makes a person want to stay home ;).  Apparently in some areas in Nebraska (Omaha in particular) it is up to $3.40/gallon at certain stations.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Mikey D on August 31, 2005, 11:15 AM
I have to fill up today, so we'll see. 

Last night around 9 I drove by one that was at $2.69 for regular.  This morning at 7, the same gas at the same gas station was $2.77. 

Sucks.  I remember buying gas for under $1 / gallon not too long ago.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on August 31, 2005, 01:33 PM
President Bush is releasing some of our strategic emergency petrol reserve to try and combat the rising prices of fuel, and replace the millions of barrels each day were losing from this recent hurricane.

Anyone see that FX Origional movie called Oilstorm? This is just like how it happened. :-\

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Mikey D on August 31, 2005, 01:37 PM
Ouch.  Just filled up for $2.899 and that's with $0.05 off / gallon by using my Stop and Shop discount card.  Was sitting at a ¼ of a tank and it cost me almost $46 to fill my truck. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Vator on August 31, 2005, 02:06 PM
3.00 for regular. Some gas stations around here have actually run out of gas, thanks the Katrina Catstrophe.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2005, 02:20 PM
I don't even want to go out today and see how bad the gas prices are.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: proudfather2 on August 31, 2005, 03:52 PM
Central Lower Michigan.

Monday: $2.65 per gallon for Regular.
Tuesday: $2.99
Wednesday (today): $3.39 per gallon. :(

SEVENTY THREE CENTS IN LESS THAN TWO DAYS!!! >:(

It's gonna be a long cold winter.:'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on August 31, 2005, 04:23 PM
You can expect $4.00 per gallonn soon. (http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: CHEWIE on August 31, 2005, 04:58 PM
Unreal... we need to build some more refineries.  There's not a shortage of gas/oil available, it's a lack of production/distribution.

 :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on August 31, 2005, 05:18 PM
Refinery capacity is a fraction of the problem.  The problem is that we are at or are approaching Peak Oil (http://www.peakoil.org) and supplies are going to get smaller and smaller - even if we had all the refineries in the world - as demand continues to grow (China, SUV's, India etc...).

What we need to do, is not build more refineries, but develop alternative fuels as soon as humanly possible.  I'm betting that oil runs out in my lifetime - and if there is nothing in place to power the world we're building, we'll be looking at a world-wide diaster of unbounded proportions.

Oh, and with alternative fuels - we could instantly remove any clout or power that these no good middle eastern governments have.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on August 31, 2005, 05:34 PM
Just saw on CNN that Atlanta area gas stations are running out of fuel and the ones that still have gas are charging as much as $4.99/gallon.  The lines here are awful.  My husband has been gone over an hour trying to find a gas station that still has gas -- all of the ones in our area are either out or are nearly out and still have 75-100 cars waiting -- what a mess -- still better off than those who lost everything  :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on August 31, 2005, 05:38 PM
do you have any stats on that zod.   its been years since i heard it, but in the late 90's they were saying that there was oil enough for over 100 more years, but the price and scarcity were artificially increased by opec limiting production.

i understand the china and india effect, but realistically, those guys did not increase their production that much in just the past couple of years.  someone is screwing with us.

i agree that we should be looking for alternatives, but even if they came out with some super car tomorrow, i would not be able to dump the car i am in and jump on it.  there needs to be a more realistic time frame for doing something.

i would be ok if they stopped selling gas only powered cars tomorrow, but for the next 4-5 years until we are able to rotate out of what we are driving there needs to be some kind of action taken slow the rise of gas costs.

btw i drive a sentra that gets nearly 40mpg.   simply offering me the solution of buying a hybrid is not enough.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on August 31, 2005, 05:41 PM
Check out the link in my post above (www.peakoil.org) - it seems legit and suggests mainly that no one knows when oil will run out and that the days of finding vast new cheap reserves are dwindling.   Just hitting the peak means that we've consumed half of the world's oil supply - and since we consume oil much much faster than say 50 years ago, it's fair to say that the trip down the hill will take a lot less time than the trip up it.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on August 31, 2005, 05:41 PM
Today I go into town, and the gas station is loaded, bumper to bumped. Gas is 2.81. I look across the street, and it's 3.15, and then I look further down the road, and it's 3.31! I almost threw up in my mouth, I was so revolted. I'm going to have to cut back on my collecting, I think. It's bad when my job is working to pay for gas to drive for work. :-[

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: proudfather2 on August 31, 2005, 06:51 PM
You can expect $4.00 per gallonn soon. (http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes)

Yeah, I thought my town being at $3.39 was bad, I just learned from my local news network (out of Lansing) that some folks in Northern Lower Michigan and in the Upper Peninsula have already reached $4.00 a gallon . Ain't that a bitch!!!

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jediknight760071 on August 31, 2005, 07:40 PM
Went up to $2.99 here today. Used to cost me $25.40 to fill up, but today, $30 even. I'm gonna go update my post in the gas prices thread over in the ROTS section.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Vator on August 31, 2005, 08:24 PM
Unreal... we need to build some more refineries.  There's not a shortage of gas/oil available, it's a lack of production/distribution.

 :P

Surley you didn't listen to Limbaugh this afternoon, eh Chewie?  ;)


Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on August 31, 2005, 10:47 PM
A couple of questions:

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as demand continues to grow (China, SUV's, India etc...).

Why does everyone crap on SUVs all the time?  Yeah, they're big and largely pointless.  They're also a fraction of the market that is called Minivan.  They're large, often the same size or even heavier than many SUVs.  There are few, if any, four cylinders.  And they are a huge segment of the market relative to SUVs.  Did kids get bigger?  We had two kids and a dog and did fine with two or four door cars. 

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Oh, and with alternative fuels - we could instantly remove any clout or power that these no good middle eastern governments have.
And replace it with any clout or power in what nation specifically that won't exploit it in exactly the same manner?  I frankly don't believe governments anywhere (US, Canada, any Euro nation) are altruistic.  So we'll end up with an alternative fuel source, but will it be cheaper?  Probably not.  Will it be free?  Definitely not.  Will it be cleaner burning?  Maybe, but maybe not. 

My point, aside from my nature of being contrarian, is that there are real issues with alternate fuel sources as well.  Much of our research is hampered by overt environmental concern.  I'm not at all suggesting there should be no consideration but we need to be pragmatic and realistic. 

The problem with peakoil is that it's extremely reminiscent of what we (well, those of us old enough) saw in the 1970s.  Oil reserves were running out then too and a great many people made the same prognostication that Rob did.  Did we find more oil back then?  Nope, we just got better at taking it out.  Improvements will continue to be made, but yes, it is a finite resource.  Rob's statements that we need alternatives are accurate.  Maybe if we stopped wasting all the money on Kyoto (which by the way if all targets are met will reduce warming by 0.6 C - less than the error in the measurement - by 2050 at the cost of billions of dollars to each nation) and plowed it into research for alternate fuel sources, we'd be better off.

Gas here is 1.085 per liter.  Four liters per gallon.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2005, 11:38 PM
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2508/real7mf.jpg)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on August 31, 2005, 11:43 PM
It spiked here and I got to watch some hillbillies fight it out at a pump on the hill above my house where it was still $2.49/gal. while others in the area had jumped to $2.79-$2.85/gal. or so.

The line was out onto the highway to get that gas...  The irony was a station had it for $2.55 the next hill over and no real lines.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Bob Crane on September 1, 2005, 12:18 AM
hmmm- hillbillies.
(http://munkystuff.munkyisland.com/images/looney/hillbillies.jpg)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 1, 2005, 01:00 AM
A couple of questions:

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as demand continues to grow (China, SUV's, India etc...).

Why does everyone crap on SUVs all the time?  Yeah, they're big and largely pointless.  They're also a fraction of the market that is called Minivan.  They're large, often the same size or even heavier than many SUVs.  There are few, if any, four cylinders.  And they are a huge segment of the market relative to SUVs.  Did kids get bigger?  We had two kids and a dog and did fine with two or four door cars. 
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I shouldn't have generalized by saying SUV's - what I was pointing at were cars that get 9, 12, 14 MPG.

The Ford Escape Hybrid gets over 30 - that's fine by me, but any time someone is crusing around in a car that gets 12 mpg (read, Escapade, H2) they might as well be driving 3 cars.  That kind of waste is sickening.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on September 1, 2005, 01:34 AM
It spiked here and I got to watch some hillbillies fight it out at a pump$2.85/gal. or so.

You mean they actually threw down at the pump? Scary.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on September 1, 2005, 02:43 AM
Oh yes, and not a far cry from the Hatfields and McCoys as pictured above.

make the beards shorter and patchier, and turn the hats into mesh ballcaps, and you've got about what was duking it out.

The lines at that station went out onto the highway, like I said.  People were hogging in from both entrances, cutting in with their cars and sorta angling to force other people "out" of a pump they'd been waiting on...  Fight broke out.

I've noticed about 5 stations just within my 5 square mile area that have "pre-pay only" out on their pumps now too...  And I don't live in a high crime area or anything, but it seems things are going a bit awry at least where I am.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on September 1, 2005, 06:32 AM
The lines were bad here late yesterday.  My brother waited in line for over an hour.  He had the pleasure of not only watching a few scuffles break out but also got to see the gas station attendant come out and change the price 2x.  The price went up $.40 while he was waiting.  By 6:00 most stations were down to 1 pump and limiting everyone to $10.00.   I remember when I was a kid and they were rationing gas.  You could only get gas on certain days based on the first letter of your last name.  I remember we had to sleep in the car while my parents waited in line for hours. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: MetalJedi on September 1, 2005, 06:55 AM
The lines were bad here late yesterday.  My brother waited in line for over an hour.  He had the pleasure of not only watching a few scuffles break out but also got to see the gas station attendant come out and change the price 2x.  The price went up $.40 while he was waiting.  By 6:00 most stations were down to 1 pump and limiting everyone to $10.00.   I remember when I was a kid and they were rationing gas.  You could only get gas on certain days based on the first letter of your last name.  I remember we had to sleep in the car while my parents waited in line for hours. 

I sure hope all this doesn't come to that.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 1, 2005, 10:07 AM
Well I drove by a few gas stations this morning - nothing over 2.81 and no long lines...

I guess I'll fill up this afternoon before it jumps 50 more cents...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Brian on September 1, 2005, 10:24 AM
Cheapest gas in town is now at $3.19/gallon.  The highest I've seen so far is $3.41/gallon.  It sounds as if we'll go up at least another 50 cents/gallon by the end of next week, approaching $4 prices.  It went up twice yesterday alone.  Time to stay home, or start walking :).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jjks on September 1, 2005, 10:42 AM
Gas by my house this morning was right around $2.80, but drive the half hour for work into Nashville and it's $3.30.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on September 1, 2005, 10:44 AM
Man, $4 a gallon is pretty crazy when you think about it...  My car averages 20-24 MPG, so that's $1 every 5-6 miles I would travel! 

That's like $2 to get to work every day (luckily I only live 5-6 miles from work).  A few of my friends at work though travel 25-30 miles (each way) to work every day, so that'd work out 50-60 miles for a round trip or $10-12 every day for gas.   :o

Ugh, makes me glad I could bike it work every day if I had to...   :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 1, 2005, 10:58 AM
Agreed.  Fortunately I can walk to work - my girlfriend has to drive 3 miles each way to go to school though - which isn't too bad at all - but it certainly sucks. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on September 1, 2005, 11:25 AM
If it comes to it, I can go up to walmart on public transportation, and buy a bycicle, and bike the 20 miles home. My last bike got stolen from behind my mom's house. It'll only take me an hour to bike to work, because it's all downhill. Problem is biking home.  :-\

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on September 1, 2005, 12:19 PM
I was in Boston this AM.  Saw gas at $4 a gallon.  Unfreakinbelievable.  My town ranges are 3.15 to 3.50.  I will easily be paing $100 a week or more now for gas.   
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 1, 2005, 12:50 PM


Ugh, makes me glad I could bike it work every day if I had to...   :-\


Want to know why I'm just a generally bitter person?  My job was moved 60 miles away from its original point.  They didn't make me move but either I quit my job or my wife does.  We both like our jobs, we're both well paid and we both spent too much time in University.  I fill up usually 1.5 times a week.  That's $90 these days. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on September 1, 2005, 12:54 PM
Jesus. I thought it was just because you were old.  :-\

$90 on fuel! I'd break down and cry at the pump. :'(

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 1, 2005, 01:19 PM
Nah, the alternative to getting old is something less preferable, so it doesn't bug me that much. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on September 1, 2005, 04:50 PM
Well I drove by a few gas stations this morning - nothing over 2.81 and no long lines...

I guess I'll fill up this afternoon before it jumps 50 more cents...

Where exactly do you live out here in the DFW area?  I'm in Garland and the best I found this morning on the way to work was 2.89.  I'm hoping for that on my way home today.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 1, 2005, 05:11 PM
I'm right downtown and saw $2.79 while dropping my girlfriend off at SMU this morning - $2.81 was closer to my place (in downtown).

When I went looking for toys at lunch, the best I saw was $2.85 - and the worst I saw was $2.95 out in Mesquitte.

I'm sure it will all have gone up even more by tonight/tomorrow.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on September 1, 2005, 05:40 PM
I'm over here in Garland and found it for 2.89.  I never thought I'd be happy to say I found it for almost 3 dollars.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on September 1, 2005, 08:10 PM
On the to work this morning gas was on the rise, I spotted 116.9 per litre but when I got to Domo they were still at 101.4 so off I go to fill up with my coupon for 5 cents off. I was down to an 8th of a tank and topped it off. Came to $65.15 then down to $62.00 CDN.

Coming home, gas prices are steady at 114.9 per litre but no doubt more stations will put the price up. Bastards!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 1, 2005, 08:13 PM
We jumped to $1.149 today :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 1, 2005, 08:44 PM
I saw some 2.99 today after work...

Should have filled up this morning..
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 1, 2005, 08:45 PM
We jumped to $1.149 today :'(

Is that per ounce?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 1, 2005, 08:50 PM
We jumped to $1.149 today :'(

Is that per ounce?

Per liter.  Four liters to a US gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 1, 2005, 08:51 PM
Was that $1.149 in Canadian Dollars? 

If so, what does $4.60 CAD translate into U.S. dollars? 

Put it in a language that us heathens can understand!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on September 1, 2005, 08:53 PM
The Universal Currency Converter  (http://www.xe.com/ucc/)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 1, 2005, 09:45 PM
$3.88 USD/gallon
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on September 1, 2005, 09:51 PM
$1.199/litre today.   :'(

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on September 1, 2005, 09:56 PM
$1.199/litre today.   :'(

 ???

Speak English, you hoser.  ::)


(and before anyone makes a crack about the British, I mean American English, dammit!)

EDIT:  Oh, I see Rob and the crew have already covered that above...  ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 1, 2005, 10:03 PM
$1.199/litre today.   :'(



= $4.05 USD/gallon - I'm sure I'll wake up to that tomorrow.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 1, 2005, 10:10 PM
BTW, while these are gas prices we keep talking about, we should probably keep in mind this is oil.

What else is made from oil?  Plastic.  Think we'll see a price increase there too?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on September 1, 2005, 10:11 PM
What else is made from oil?  Plastic.  Think we'll see a price increase there too?

Shut up, Brent!  We don't want to be giving Hasbro and/or our favorite retailers any stupid ideas...  :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on September 1, 2005, 10:28 PM
I buy my milk and OJ in paper cartons now.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Loopy_Leia on September 1, 2005, 10:45 PM
I have seen for the past couple days on the news that Atlanta (and other places) have run out of gas.  And HOLY CRAP they are charging enough for it.  Like $5.27 for Regular.  That is what I call price gouging when I believe it is $2.99 here in Dalton.    My parents are leaving for Panama City Beach tomorrow morning and hopefully they won't run out of gas.  I told them not to let it get down below 1/4 of a tank before they start looking for a place to stop.    Also, on the 13th I'll be renting a Budget truck and driving to Maine so I am rather curious how much gas will be for a 16' truck, probably an arm and a leg.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: MetalJedi on September 2, 2005, 05:13 AM
2.90 this early morning as I put 20 bucks of liquid gold in my car. Made it just a hair above half a full tank with that.  :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 2, 2005, 04:21 PM
Well, airlines are raising prices, to no one's surprise. 

I had an itinerary saved with NWA for Fort Lauderdale.  It went from $520 to $636 while I wasn't looking.  Suffice to say I paid for the flight just now before it goes any higher. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jediknight760071 on September 2, 2005, 06:46 PM
I used to fill up for $20, about a year ago. :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jadesfire on September 2, 2005, 07:40 PM
Well, airlines are raising prices, to no one's surprise. 


I just booked my ticket too and noticed that within the last 24 hours it went up $30.00 (it's only one way or else it would have been $60.00)

Gas prices around here are $2.99-$3.19.  I assume they'll stay at this price until after the Labor Day weekend.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on September 2, 2005, 07:47 PM
Being the long weekend, anything can happen. Some stations have gas at 113.4 but most are still at 114.9 then theres the 115.0-118.4.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 2, 2005, 09:04 PM
We don't want to be giving Hasbro and/or our favorite retailers any stupid ideas... :-X

As if Hasbro needs any more stupid ideas, Matt.  :P

The oil debacle right now is probably going to see an increase in the cost of EVERYTHING across the board for the next few months, if not years.  Gasoline itself is going to be driving up the cost of items because they pretty much have to be driven into the retailers' distribution centers on trucks, they are then sent to the stores on trucks, and so forth. 

So, Hasbro will charge more for an action figure because of the increase in oil prices to the retailers, retailers will charge more for the action figure because of the higher cost of actually getting the toys from Hasbro, and for getting the toys to their stores, we're paying higher prices for gas to get to the stores to buy the action figures at a higher price, and everyone's bosses will still not want to give even a slight raise to their employees even though the cost of living will have gone up.

Does it suck?  Yeah, but it could be worse.   :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 2, 2005, 09:21 PM
Very true DP, I've even heard about some school districts raising the price of lunch in the cafeterias to offset the increase in gas prices for their school buses.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 3, 2005, 12:36 AM
I was very fortunate on the way home today.  I can opt for two different highways, one is only a couple of miles longer than the other.  I chose the longer route because there's a gas station at the corner that sometimes holds their prices longer than others do.

Boy, was I right.  $1.059, a full 14 cents a liter ($0.56/gallon) less than everywhere else :o  That was sweet.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on September 3, 2005, 12:40 AM
Gas dropped here 20-30 cents this afternoon from 2.99-3.09 to 2.79
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 3, 2005, 12:42 AM
Gas dropped here 20-30 cents this afternoon from 2.99-3.09 to 2.79

Uh, fill up at the border before you get here.  Better still if you fill in Grand Forks.  That should get you back around down there. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on September 3, 2005, 12:45 AM
My buddy drives a Dodge Ram, I asked him if we're taking that up...he said no :P :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 3, 2005, 12:48 AM
Can't imagine why :P

You ahve time for a chat tonight or tomorrow?  Or should I just pm you a pile of details?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on September 3, 2005, 12:52 AM
I'm in right now
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on September 3, 2005, 12:54 AM
Gas dropped here 20-30 cents this afternoon from 2.99-3.09 to 2.79

Yeah it figures. I'd been holding off on filling up in hopes it'd go back down--then it spikes to $2.99--last night I had to fill up ($29 at $2.99)--then today I come across $2.79. *sigh*
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on September 3, 2005, 12:59 AM
Driving up 169 this evening it was 2.79 in Mankato and Saint Peter and then 3.19 in Belle Plain and then 2.99 in Jordan and 2.79 in Chaska.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: proudfather2 on September 3, 2005, 11:15 AM
Hurray! Ours just dropped from $3.39 back down to $2.99!!! ::)

I encourage all of you to voice your concerns about such matters to your elected officials. After all, they are there FOR THE PEOPLE. I do it all the time. I think if Michigans Senator's or Governor ever sees me in person they'll have me shot on sight!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 3, 2005, 09:42 PM
2.99 in Jordan

You've got LaMont on the brain!

 :D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on September 4, 2005, 08:25 AM
I've been around the oil business all my life, mainly because that is the career my dad chose.  He doesn't have anything to do with pricing and whatnot, but he did give me some interesting info about the demand for oil and why the price has jumped.

I'll type a bit here but I've got to get ready to go in a minute.  He said since 1978, there have been no refineries made in the United States.  Environmental groups have protested against it and laws have been passed that makes it virtually impossible to refine oil in the US.  Therefore we have to go overseas to purchase about 60% of what is in the US.  Obviously the other 40% is done here in the refineries we have in place.  If we could build refineries here, that would help with the cost of oil, a lot!!  Is there more oil in the US??  Most certainly yes, if environmental groups would allow for the drilling of it in certain areas, that woul help relieve some of the pain at the pump.  Recently, (can't remember the bill right now), a bill went through Congress authorizing drilling in Alaska.  Finally we can get into the oil fields we've wanted for years.  But, it could be years before we feel the effects of that simply because of the oil refinery problem.

Also, people talk about BIG oil companies.  There are only three of them, and there are no middle men in the business.  The 3 companies take the shipments from overseas, send it here on their own ships, offload, take it to the gas stations in their trucks.  No middle man there.  Another thing by dad brought up that I think some people have overlooked, we keep paying for gas.  (Of course, we don't have an option if we want to drive though.)  Until recently, there hasn't been a lot of loud complaining about the price. 

Oil companies know that we are willing to pay whatever we have for gas.  We live in a free market economy.  So, the companies can raise the price if they see fit and we have to pay it, because we need to.  Obviously we want lower prices, but the oil companies continue to make money because of good old supply and demand.  In my mind, both the consumer and the oil companies are the problem.  As consumers we haven't pushed hard enough for alternative fuels, and like any business in a free economy, the oil companies increased their prices.

I know some of you aren't going to be happy with this, but my dad has been in the oil business for 40 years so I'll believe what he has to say.  So don't bash what I've posted here.  I just wanted to get this bit of info out there for all to see.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 7, 2005, 05:42 PM
This is funny..what I suggest? is that EVERYONE should just "quit buying worthless $6+ figures and save their money to buy a home!"

Am I gonna do this(stop)? No ...but it WAS suggested- read on to the ROTS section "gas prices affecting...ect" last page of posts for a good alternative/laugh. Oh, and ...if you're poor or sympathetic to poor folks I suggest not to read(you may get offended)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2005, 03:32 AM
Right, so the cheapest gas prices I can find in New York right now are $3.39/gallon.

We're all being held hostage, and the SWAT team is on strike.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Brian on September 8, 2005, 09:16 AM
Ours gas has dropped slightly this week.  We were up as high as $3.19 (for the cheapest) last week, and as of this morning it is down to $3.09.  Still way too much, but it could be worse I guess.  Still makes you think twice about going anywhere that isn't absolutely "necessary" though ;).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on September 8, 2005, 10:07 AM
Things are settling down here, too, after the long weekend.  Prices were as high as $3.99.  I saw $2.99 yesterday.  The average seems to be around $3.19 now. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: stormie on September 8, 2005, 10:49 AM
You know what's strange? The Bay Area and LA usually have the most expensive gas, but since this latest turmoil (ha! pun not intended), the gas at the Shell station nearest my home hasn't been over $2.97. I am totally not complaining, but I just find it odd that other parts of the country that were usually $0.30-0.40 cheaper than here are now actually more expensive. Weird.

Watch, this'll probably come to bite me big-time in the rear, now.  :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on September 8, 2005, 11:29 PM
Dig this:

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IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME; THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.


AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.


THEREFORE Sept 10TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM  DAY" AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.


THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY PEOPLE A S YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT.


WAITING ON THIS ADMINISTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?


REMEMBER ONE THING; NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES; TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD; CLOTHING; BUILDING MATERIALS; MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!


WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY; WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.



SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD.

Got it in an email today...

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on September 9, 2005, 06:55 AM
Apparently the Great American Gas Out isn't all its cracked up to be:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on September 9, 2005, 07:16 PM
Those things will never work. At least someone's trying to fight back.

The prices have gone down by about 7 cents a gallon. Whoopee.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on September 10, 2005, 12:09 AM
I still strongly feel that we will see prices moderate, but the problem we face is our short term vs long term memories. There is a gas station on my way to the school I teach at that closed 2 years ago this month. The price signs are still there and they read $1.459 for regular unleaded.  I cannot remember the price a year ago, but I am thinking it was under $2 a gal. or around $1.799.  Boy, what I would give for $1.799 but I think those days are done. What will change oil prices and force them down is the slowing of the US economy. When we as Americans can no longer afford to driver except to the needed locations of work, grocery shopping, kids sports games, school, etc., and the middle to upper middle class restricts their spending, then energy prices will have to moderate and go down. Not to be doom and gloom, but it is about time for a mild recession to moderate both the slight inflation we have had, and the soaring prices of living expenses. Hopefully I am wrong.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on September 10, 2005, 12:04 PM
Just read an article in the Charlotte Observer that claims that gas stations owners in the area raised prices last week strictly for profit -- they were not faced with a dramatic increase in price.  The article claims they took advantage of the situation in that they usually make a profit of $.5 - $.10/gallon but they raised their profits to as much as $.75/gallon last week.  Nice >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on September 11, 2005, 12:53 AM
Saw something similiar yesterday and today. A local chain food store that sells gas had it at $2.739 yesterday, then at $2.799 last night, then at $2.839 this morning, and then took it back down to $2.799 tonight. The day before Katrina the price at that gas station was like $2.40 or so.  The station attendant told us that if we had showed up 15 minutes earlier we would have paid the higher price today. We asked why the change. Because it was a Saturday am and more people gas up from 7am to 5pm on a Saturday then at any other time of the week, so the business increases the price slightly to maximize profit. Guess I won't fill up on Saturday there (it is still one the cheaper gas prices in the area).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on September 12, 2005, 06:00 PM
There is a gas station on my way to the school I teach at that closed 2 years ago this month. The price signs are still there and they read $1.459 for regular unleaded. 

that is funny that you have the same situation.  we had a gas station that was run out of business for price gouging after 9-11.  forever their ridiculously high price was just sitting there.  the price... $1.79.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on September 12, 2005, 10:39 PM
Gas here is down a tad. Anywhere from $1.02 - $1.09 per litre. Tuesday is 7 cent coupon day so I will top of the tank on the way to work.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Brian on September 13, 2005, 11:31 AM
Down just a bit here as well now, ranging from $2.89 (lowest) to $3.11 (highest) - that I've seen.  Better than it has been at least, but still plenty high overall.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jjks on September 13, 2005, 12:40 PM
I've seen it as low as $2.79, but for the most part it's between $2.90 and $2.95.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on September 13, 2005, 11:58 PM
Slowly going down here. Between $2.59 and $2.63.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on September 22, 2005, 09:45 AM
Just when you think things are going to settle down....

Rumor has it (good ol' trustworthy CNN) that gas will hit $4-$5 a gallon if Rita hits Texas late Friday, early Saturday.

Personally, this will affect my wallet immensely as I have a long commute to work.

What are your thoughts?

Will the government step in with relief (eliminating gas tax, tapping the reserves, etc.)?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Brian on September 22, 2005, 09:52 AM
I heard rumors of a big price jump as well, but hopefully that won't happen.  Its at about $2.59 here (cheapest), which still isn't great...but better than it has been certainly.  I was hoping to fill up this morning before any increases, but of course the only pump open was out of order.  Hopefully at lunch today, and hopefully the prices won't have gone up yet.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on September 22, 2005, 04:08 PM
(http://picture.funnyjunk.com/pics/gas_prices.jpg)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on September 22, 2005, 04:34 PM
Will the government step in with relief (eliminating gas tax...)?

 (http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/froehlich/c040.gif)

Up here in Canuckia, the government makes way too much money from gasoline tax (around 50% of the price, I believe).  That laughing smilie is a sarcastic/pessimistic laugh toward the government, not you, Travis.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2005, 04:45 PM
It's way worse than that Jesse.  Canada is self sufficient in terms of the production of units of oil for the population.  We just choose to sell it rather than being self sufficient.  Canada is tremendously resource rich in terms of oil, natural gas, coal and hydro-electricity (water in general, for that matter).  We could have the cheapest power in the world, but we all choose to sell it instead and then import and tax the **** out of it.   ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on September 22, 2005, 04:54 PM
I'll never understand how Alberta, one of the world's richest sources of oil, pays nearly as much for gas as the rest of us.  Even Saskatchewan continues to find more and more oil and we're still paying out the ass (coming from experience now that I live in Kindersley, the heart of Saskatchewan's oil patch).   ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2005, 04:57 PM
Yup, and there's piles in Southwestern Manitoba as well.  Never mind the Arctic that we own, aside from Alaska's portion. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2005, 10:55 PM
Rumours are now that if the hurricane hits the right place on the Texas coast, gas prices will soar to $1.70/liter ($6/gallon). 

Great, the gas giants have a new excuse for arbitrarily jacking up prices ::)  Filled both vehicles tonight, just in case.  People were lined up already :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on September 23, 2005, 06:54 AM
I just want to direct some to what I posted earlier in this thread and also one over at RS.

Quote from: Chris_M
I've been around the oil business all my life, mainly because that is the career my dad chose.  He doesn't have anything to do with pricing and whatnot, but he did give me some interesting info about the demand for oil and why the price has jumped.

I'll type a bit here but I've got to get ready to go in a minute.  He said since 1978, there have been no refineries made in the United States.  Environmental groups have protested against it and laws have been passed that makes it virtually impossible to refine oil in the US.  Therefore we have to go overseas to purchase about 60% of what is in the US.  Obviously the other 40% is done here in the refineries we have in place.  If we could build refineries here, that would help with the cost of oil, a lot!!  Is there more oil in the US??  Most certainly yes, if environmental groups would allow for the drilling of it in certain areas, that woul help relieve some of the pain at the pump.  Recently, (can't remember the bill right now), a bill went through Congress authorizing drilling in Alaska.  Finally we can get into the oil fields we've wanted for years.  But, it could be years before we feel the effects of that simply because of the oil refinery problem.

Also, people talk about BIG oil companies.  There are only three of them, and there are no middle men in the business.  The 3 companies take the shipments from overseas, send it here on their own ships, offload, take it to the gas stations in their trucks.  No middle man there.  Another thing by dad brought up that I think some people have overlooked, we keep paying for gas.  (Of course, we don't have an option if we want to drive though.)  Until recently, there hasn't been a lot of loud complaining about the price. 

Oil companies know that we are willing to pay whatever we have for gas.  We live in a free market economy.  So, the companies can raise the price if they see fit and we have to pay it, because we need to.  Obviously we want lower prices, but the oil companies continue to make money because of good old supply and demand.  In my mind, both the consumer and the oil companies are the problem.  As consumers we haven't pushed hard enough for alternative fuels, and like any business in a free economy, the oil companies increased their prices.

I know some of you aren't going to be happy with this, but my dad has been in the oil business for 40 years so I'll believe what he has to say.  So don't bash what I've posted here.  I just wanted to get this bit of info out there for all to see.

Of course, there are other mitigating factors that go into the oil business, such as tax relief, but that is a discussion for another site.  I'm just breaking this info down from a good source into it's most simplistic form.  One other thing to consider...is the media creating a false panic??  Many people either don't possess the ability or don't care enough to educate themselves beyond what they see or hear on TV...but again, that's a discussion for some other time.  Therefore, they get this sense that gas is going to be almost impossible to find, and therefore rush to fill their tanks when they don't need it, thereby creating a true shortage, although one that should only last for a few days.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Reid on September 23, 2005, 07:31 AM
Prices in VA went down from $3.70 to $2.65  :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on September 23, 2005, 02:17 PM
I paid $2.68/gallon today, so it's gone up about 10 cents.

I'm just waiting to see what the price will be tomorrow afternoon or Sunday.  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on October 6, 2005, 07:02 AM
Gas is around $3.09 here.  Saw a story on the news the other night that Charlotte has the 3rd highest prices in the country -- why, oh why? >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on October 6, 2005, 09:55 AM
Up to $3.19 when I took my son to school this morning.  Up $.10 since yesterday at lunchtime >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 6, 2005, 10:46 AM
My area is normally higher than most I've seen in this thread, but today I got it for $2.87, which is the best since Katrina.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on October 6, 2005, 10:56 AM
How weird. Gas is "only" $2.85 here.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on October 15, 2005, 12:59 PM
Lowest I've seen in Jersey is $2.61.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on October 15, 2005, 01:04 PM
We're finally down to $2.79 (cheapest we've seen) to $2.99 in the Charlotte area.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Reid on October 15, 2005, 03:33 PM
The norm for regular in Fairfax is $2.96.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: BillCable on October 15, 2005, 11:07 PM
We're down below $2.50 in Harrisburg, now.  Maybe I can start going on toy hunts again.  I was conserving during the price spike.  I went two weeks without filling up right after Katrina.   ;D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on October 18, 2005, 05:27 PM
Wow, what a bargain - $2.39!!

Woot!

 :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on October 18, 2005, 05:36 PM
We're down below $2.50 in Harrisburg, now. 
With you being a Steeler's fan and all, I know its gotta be Harrisburg, PA, but since I'm in Harrisburg, NC I had to double check :)  Though my next door neighbor is a HUGE Steelers fan -- he makes at least one trek up a year for a game.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: BillCable on October 18, 2005, 06:39 PM
Yes, Harrisburg PA.  But yeah, we have die-hards all over.   ;D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 18, 2005, 07:05 PM
A lot of our local stations are sitting at $100.9/litre.  I think they're just too damn lazy to take the "1" down.   ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on October 19, 2005, 11:06 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/tamidala/amishgas.jpg)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on October 19, 2005, 11:48 AM
I filled up this AM for the "low" price of $2.32 per gallon.   ::)

It's drifting back down, slowly but surely.  Let's just hope that "Hurricane Wilma" doesn't cause too much damage and give them an excuse to crank it back up again.   :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on October 19, 2005, 12:19 PM
Yesterday and today I've seen a few places at $2.29.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on October 19, 2005, 04:25 PM
Must be nice guys.  I live in Texas, and the lowest I've seen is $2.67, and I had a full tank that day.  Most places are still $2.80-2.90.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on October 19, 2005, 10:27 PM
Still around $2.97 -- though I did see $2.79 tonite. 

Filled up at BJ's Warehouse this am for the low, low price of $2.73 (2.84 for non-members).  It was the first time in weeks I was able to fill my van up for under $50 -- $49.03 ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on October 20, 2005, 03:58 PM
Saw $2.53 on my way to work today.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 23, 2005, 11:17 PM
Filled up at $2.67 today.  Things have been better.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on October 24, 2005, 02:30 AM
Filled up a couple days ago at $2.23. Spotted $2.21 today.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on October 24, 2005, 06:55 AM
We're finally dropping on the Northeast side of Dallas.  We are now around $2.50 a gallon.  I'd love to see it drop back to the early 90's price of $.80 a gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 26, 2005, 10:04 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/tamidala/amishgas.jpg)

OMG that is brilliant!


Heard some reports that barrel prices are dropping, so much so that in a few months we could get down to about $2 a gallon again.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on October 26, 2005, 10:09 AM
This is cyclic, purposely done every year. The prices are lowered before independance month and the december holiday purposely so everyone is "feel goody" then they are raised AT the holiday.  Folks accept it every time because they feel they are given a break so they're not so mad when it goes up again ::) 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on October 26, 2005, 01:12 PM
Filled up at $2.19 last night.... (!)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on October 26, 2005, 01:42 PM
Filled up at $2.19 last night.... (!)

Wow! :o  We're still at $2.74 @ BJ's >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on October 28, 2005, 02:08 PM
Filled up at $2.19 last night.... (!)
We're still at $2.74 @ BJ's >:(

They'd better toss one of those in at 2.74 a gallon!

They have a 5 cent off coupon at the local gas station today, so I'm going to take advantage of this offer.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on October 29, 2005, 03:52 AM
I found $2.12 at one of those Murphy USA stations near a WM. I'm pretty sure that was the price after a WM purchase, though. I avoid that station, so I don't know the rules.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on October 29, 2005, 04:52 AM
$2.19 in the PIttsburgh area at the "cheaper" gas places like Sheetz Stores...  I love Sheetz because they've basically been trying to keep things as cheap as possible for a chain...  I've been patronizing them because of that and letting them know that's why I am going there.

There's one station that's sort of between towns and I pass it very often on commutes.  This guy is ALWAYS $.10 - $.15 more per gallon than any other station.  He gouges because he's in EBF and knows he sorta has the locals in that area by the balls.  I wish they'd investigate places like this and hit them with some penalty of some sort.

And I still love Giant Eagle's "Get Go" stations for the fact that you get $$$ off for shopping for groceries there.  They're usually priced competitively anyway, but when you rack up $.10/gallon off with every $50 you spend at the store, you really can get a buttload of cheap gas.  My folks shop there so much and travel so little that they had almost, literally, free gasoline one day.  It was funny, I think they paid $.20 or so a gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JoshEEE on October 29, 2005, 05:55 AM
I found myself celebrating that gas was "only" 2.77 at the cheap place yesterday.

I immediately realized how stupid that sounded, and cursed myself for having such a short memory.

Until I get $1.60 gas prices back, I am supposed to stay angry.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: name on October 29, 2005, 02:46 PM
Filled up yesterday at 2.28 a gal.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JohnH on October 29, 2005, 04:29 PM
It's made it down to the $2.15 range in the KC area the last couple of days.  I was ecstatic to fill up on only $31 and some change.   ::)

John
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on October 30, 2005, 03:40 AM
$1.89 is my hoped for mark...  Be nice if this became average again.  $1.60 is asking for just too much from the oil bastards Josh. :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ryan on October 30, 2005, 04:25 AM
We're still rockin' it at about $2.70 in CO. It cost me $46 to fill my damn tank. >:(

I remember thinking $1.60 was really high. I really wish it would drop back down to at least that.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on February 23, 2006, 02:48 PM
Thank goodness for a warmer than average winter...  seems like without the "heating/fuel oil" excuse, gas has stayed "low" for a while.

Over the last month or so, the highest it's gone is around $2.20 averaging closer to $2.07 per gallon.

Not great, but not nearly as bad as some were predicting back in October/November.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 23, 2006, 03:11 PM
Same here.

But what still makes me mad is how all-of-a-sudden paying more than $2.00 is OK.  When prices rose to $2.50 or $2.75, everyone gets angry, including Washington, DC.

Now, the Oil Companies say we should all be happy that the price went down $.50+.  I'm afraid we will never go below $2.00/gallon ever again.  The "market" will just give another excuse as to why prices need to remain high, even though this winter has been warm. 

Get ready to hear the "heavy gas demand" for spring & summer months as all of us drive across the country on our vacations.  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on February 23, 2006, 03:21 PM
Get ready to hear the "heavy gas demand" for spring & summer months as all of us drive across the country on our vacations.  ::)

Yeah, considering years ago the world population made that many more babies, and that many more kids will be getting their DL's this year, and THAT demand will be higher yet ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on February 23, 2006, 03:36 PM


 I'm afraid we will never go below $2.00/gallon ever again. 



Kinda sort of.

$1.98 here in Iowa - but that's at one of those Wal-Mart affiliated gas stations.  And yes, that's before the $.05 gift card discount.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on February 23, 2006, 04:18 PM
I heard yesterday morning with several Mobile workers (I think it was Mobile) being held hostage in Nigeria, that production there is down 20% and that may cause a price spike here.

Seriously, get the price down.  The 3 main oil companies are reporting record profits while production and usage remain the same.  What's the ******* deal?

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on February 23, 2006, 05:03 PM
There's nothing about that on any of the wires that I could find with a quick search.  And even if that were true - 20 people being held hostage causing a price spike would be just as big a pile of B.S. as all the previous reasons given for price spikes.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 23, 2006, 05:13 PM
I heard it rained in Velenzuela.  That forced production down 50%.  Prepare for a price hike.  :o

 ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on February 23, 2006, 05:58 PM
Funny how we had hike after hike after hike all the way up to about $3.30 a gallon, then all the sudden the Senate starts having Oil Executives testify in Congressional hearings and gas dropped to about $1.99 within about 3 weeks.  Of course, it's steadily gone up since then, but the hearings have stopped too.  The whole thing reeks of BS.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on February 23, 2006, 06:02 PM
crap... its all drizzly here.  prepare for a price hike.   i paid $2.06 here i palatial suburban denton today.  that was the least in a while.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on February 23, 2006, 10:43 PM
There's nothing about that on any of the wires that I could find with a quick search. And even if that were true - 20 people being held hostage causing a price spike would be just as big a pile of B.S. as all the previous reasons given for price spikes.

Here (http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B6DA3E13F%2DC825%2D4C3F%2DA69E%2DF4FD5A5DDADC%7D&siteid=google&keyword=) you go Rob.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on February 23, 2006, 11:00 PM
Yeah, I found it now - most of the articles on google news are from the 18th.

Hopefully it all ends well for the hostages.  It's still a garbage excuse if they start saying prices are going to spike becaues of this. 


Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on February 24, 2006, 06:18 AM
The sad thing is, we as people will pay whatever the three big companies want for gas.  We "need" it for our cars, and they know that.

But with so many petroleum based products in the world, you'd think it would be possible for the price to stay low...it's early and I know I'm rambling now.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 24, 2006, 10:10 AM
The sad thing is, we as people will pay whatever the three big companies want for gas.  We "need" it for our cars, and they know that.

But with so many petroleum based products in the world, you'd think it would be possible for the price to stay low...it's early and I know I'm rambling now.

True, but fortunately for my wife & I, we only fill up twice a month each.  Our jobs are only 3 miles from home, and everything else is nearby.  I have to take our cars in for oil changes every 6 months b/c we never make the 3,000 miles in less than that.     :)

I switched jobs last May.  used to drive over 25 miles roundtrip for work.  Cut that down to 6 miles roundtrip. 

If only everybody could make this switch... :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on February 24, 2006, 10:23 AM
My girlfriend and I cut down to one car last April.  It's a 5 minute walk for me to get to work, and it was a 10 minute walk for her before she went back to school - but even that is only a 3 mile drive.

I've always been under the impression that it was 3,000 miles OR 3 months - which ever came first because oil breaks down and isn't as protective after 3 months...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on February 24, 2006, 12:03 PM
RE:  oil changes - it all depends on how you drive.

Most cars can go 7500 miles before requiring an oil change - but if you do a lot of city driving, you may want to stay closer to the 3-4K range.

I think the whole 3 month or 3K mile theory is just an attempt from the franchise oil 'changing' companies to get you in more than 2X a year.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on February 24, 2006, 02:36 PM
Unfortunately my husband has to drive about 40 miles each way to work.  We recently bought a '95 Civic for him to commute in.  The F150 Crew Cab was eating through way too much gas.  I use the Civic if I have to run any errands in the evenings or weekends.  I drive my son to preschool everyday and try to combine my errands with that.  Gas at BJ's Warehouse is $2.15 -- $2.22 every where else.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 24, 2006, 02:52 PM
RE:  oil changes - it all depends on how you drive.

Most cars can go 7500 miles before requiring an oil change - but if you do a lot of city driving, you may want to stay closer to the 3-4K range.

I think the whole 3 month or 3K mile theory is just an attempt from the franchise oil 'changing' companies to get you in more than 2X a year.



What if it takes me more than 6 months to drive 3-4K miles???  Should I change the oil every 6 months minimum??

My driving condition is easy, I think.  Lot of traffic lights to work, but I get there in less than 10 miuntes, only 3+ miles.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on February 24, 2006, 03:12 PM
What gets the engine and the need for oil is the stopping at lights.  Your engine slows down and then has to speed back up when you accelerate again.  Doing that can wear down the oil itself. 

Just my opinion, but I'd change every 4 months if I were you, even if you aren't hitting the 3-4k mark.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on April 11, 2006, 02:22 PM
Filled up for $2.759 at BJ's "discount" gas station today.  It was the cheapest around.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Reid on April 11, 2006, 02:24 PM
Prices are around $2.70-$2.80 in Northern Va these days.

 :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 11, 2006, 02:30 PM
Ouch! ours is 2.79-2.89 ish right now.

We own/have right to sooo much untapped oil. One day the world will run out..and all the money that we fed the overseas oil folks will come right back to us as they scramble to fund our drilling/refining that will by then be opened up due to environmentalists wanting to drive places and making a choice between oil refining and a traveling lifestyle(they gotta give in eventually). ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 11, 2006, 02:56 PM
This is ridiculous.

It's only April and we're so very close to $3.00 a gallon...something has got to give.

I think the states should lower their tax rates on gas until we get a viable solution implemented.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 11, 2006, 03:13 PM
But...when you're running out of world oil, and the environmentalist are against building more refineries(an excuse the oil folks use why our gas costs ridiculous since we have limited country-wide refining) what solutions are there? Alternate fuel source and MASS production of vehicles that use it would kill the economy. I guess we just have to hate it.

I hate when the opposite viewpoint folks say "well, you pay 3$ a gallon for milk..so, what's the big deal?"  I'll tell you... I don't need to buy 62-86 gallons of milk a month! >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Gorkoracing on April 11, 2006, 03:21 PM
I just paid $41 to fill up my car yesterday.  ::)

The sad part is my car is a Mitsubishi Eclipse and do to my need for power I can't run anything less than premium in her  :o

My beautiful turbocharger might have to go if they keep rasing the prices
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 11, 2006, 04:07 PM
$2.59 in San Antonio, TX

And still going up everyday...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 11, 2006, 04:33 PM
For me, this is a problem, yet, it's kind of a non-issue because there's nothing anyone of us can do about it.  All we're going to do about this is pay the prices, no matter what they are.

The only solution to this problem I can muster is to make enough money so that it doesn't matter, and wish your kids and grandkids good luck.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 11, 2006, 04:36 PM
I'm going to break my own rule and copy a post I made on another forum - because I'd rather discuss it here anyway...

Here's how I feel about it...

Exxon just knocked Wal-Mart out of the top spot on the Fortune 500. They made the largest profits of any company in the history of the country for whatever quarter or time period was being measured. Every week we're given a new reason - once it was because of a thwarted (yes, that's right THWARTED) attack on a Saudi pipeline. One week it was because of a hostage crisis in Nigeria of all places... The price of oil is decided on a futures market - and we've gotten to a point where just about anything and everything is supposedly enough to 'worry' investors and send the price up.

Fact is, that when gas was $3.30 or so a few months back - Congress started asking questions. Within a few weeks of a bunch of Oil Executives being marched down to Capitol Hill, gas had dropped in price about 40% down to just a hair under $2.00.

But since then it has creeped right back up - today I saw a station selling gas for $2.92 - these guys are gouging, and we're stuck until someone in Washington decides to start asking questions again and actually do something about it. End of story.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 11, 2006, 04:51 PM
Now, I recognize you... ;D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 11, 2006, 04:53 PM
It's not really a secret. :)

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 11, 2006, 05:07 PM
I'm going to break my own rule and copy a post I made on another forum - because I'd rather discuss it here anyway...

Here's how I feel about it...

Exxon just knocked Wal-Mart out of the top spot on the Fortune 500. They made the largest profits of any company in the history of the country for whatever quarter or time period was being measured. Every week we're given a new reason - once it was because of a thwarted (yes, that's right THWARTED) attack on a Saudi pipeline. One week it was because of a hostage crisis in Nigeria of all places... The price of oil is decided on a futures market - and we've gotten to a point where just about anything and everything is supposedly enough to 'worry' investors and send the price up.

Fact is, that when gas was $3.30 or so a few months back - Congress started asking questions. Within a few weeks of a bunch of Oil Executives being marched down to Capitol Hill, gas had dropped in price about 40% down to just a hair under $2.00.

But since then it has creeped right back up - today I saw a station selling gas for $2.92 - these guys are gouging, and we're stuck until someone in Washington decides to start asking questions again and actually do something about it. End of story.


This is about the only thing Rob and I will ever agree on.  The only thing I disagree with in the above post is the "price gouging" on the part of the gas stations - their margins are the same no matter what the market price is.

It's the oil execs who are price gouging.

Back that does bring me back to another question - how do gas stations know when to raise their prices?   Let's say that they have their "gas tanks" (the ones underground) filled up on Monday and they pay $2 a gallon - making the price $2.05 or whatever to you and me.

The next day, that same $2 a gallon gas, can be marked up to $2.20 based upon the market value of oil that is still sitting in the Middle East.

How does that work?

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 11, 2006, 05:09 PM
Alternate fuel source and MASS production of vehicles that use it would kill the economy.


Please elaborate.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on April 11, 2006, 06:26 PM
I have to use the premium stuff for my car, so I am at 2.90 in the area.  Saw on the news tonight that fuel could reach Katrina prices again this summer.  F*ck the Middle East and the conservative enviromentalists.  I say we tap into our own resources in Alaska. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 11, 2006, 06:55 PM
I have to use the premium stuff for my car, so I am at 2.90 in the area.  Saw on the news tonight that fuel could reach Katrina prices again this summer.  F*ck the Middle East and the conservative enviromentalists.  I say we tap into our own resources in Alaska. 

Tapping Alaska wouldn't do anything other than keep a certain amount of the money we're spending in our billionaire's pockets instead of theirs.

What we need is a viable, alternate source of energy to get off of this crap once and for all. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 11, 2006, 07:11 PM


What we need is a viable, alternate source of energy to get off of this crap once and for all. 

Agreed.

Too bad we're never going to own a car running on anything but gasoline in our lifetime.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 11, 2006, 09:22 PM
Well, we could go get Bio Diesel cars today if we wanted to, even if it's not a solution.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 11, 2006, 09:46 PM
I have the fortunate (or unfortunate) advantage of being able to see 3 gas stations from my sub shop (Kevvo's 2441 US RTE 9W Ravena NY) and I watch as the prices go up, each day  after the lunch rush. They go out, raise the prices, change all the signs, just in time for the Highschool kids to come home, gas up, and go out, and then I've even seen the price go up between school let out time, and the rush hour. It's $2.95 here, for the "cheap" stuff.

I don't get it. I'm to the point of walking to work each day now. I do live only a mile from my shop, so that's great, but I enjoy driving to work, catching my favorite conservative radio program while sitting at the red light, and then crossing traffic to get to the shop and open up for the day. Now I'm walking to work, missing my morning update, and nearly being hit on a daily basis.

It's a shame. 3 dollar gas, here we come.............again.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 11, 2006, 10:28 PM
I walk to work whenever I don't have lunch-time errands to run.  It's a great feeling.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 11, 2006, 10:31 PM
Oh, no doubt of it, but it's been part of my routine since November. It's a damn shame.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on April 11, 2006, 10:40 PM
Iceland has been experimenting quite successfully with hydrogen fuel cells in vehicles and at electrical generating plants.  It just hasn't been getting as much press as it should.  Read an article about Iceland's efforts in the hydrogen field HERE (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=qw1143460260377B224).

Also be sure to check out The National Hydrogen Association (http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/).  This technology is probably going to replace gas in your car eventually, provided the technology can be made widely avaiable.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 11, 2006, 11:51 PM
Yeah but (without having read your link yet) isn't the knock on hydrogen that it requires oil to convert into usable fuel?  Which would sort of defeat the purpose to a degeee.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 12, 2006, 02:54 AM
If we suddenly went 'cold turkey' on Gas powered Autos what would happen to all the American auto making companys? This world today seems to be about High priced gas sucking SUV's and many other types of autos that folks want to be 'different'..or because they're cool. I could totally see the automakers taking a huge blow initially if we suddenly had to convert to a boring same-as-everybody else alternate fuel vehicle-not to mention production would have to catch up to the demand for these vehicles if we quit..the oil. Sure they could catch up but I def. don't think it would be a smooth conversion.I wonder if that scenario would effect the US/world economy at all ::).  I believe there is technology today to have Gas vehicles that(even v8's) get a ton of MPG. They'll never be produced however, since it would hurt auto sales and Gas demands and oil company profits. Such is the world the way it is now..like Dressel says..and we just have to deal with it 'cause there's nothing we can do about it :(.   
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 12, 2006, 09:24 AM
Exactly.

How do you supply 300 million Americans with new vehicles that utilize new technology at the drop of a hat?

Can you imagine the recalls?

Getting your car into a dealer would be just as difficult as getting in to see the doctor in Canada.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 12, 2006, 09:27 AM
F*ck the Middle East and the conservative enviromentalists. I say we tap into our own resources in Alaska.

I think you mean "liberal" environmentalists.  Convervatives are all for drilling and minimizing our dependence on foreign oil and fat cat "princes."
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 12, 2006, 09:38 AM
Exactly.

How do you supply 300 million Americans with new vehicles that utilize new technology at the drop of a hat?

Can you imagine the recalls?

Getting your car into a dealer would be just as difficult as getting in to see the doctor in Canada.

Who's suggesting that this could be done over-night?  Just because it is going to take a long time doesn't mean we should just forget about it.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 12, 2006, 09:39 AM
F*ck the Middle East and the conservative enviromentalists. I say we tap into our own resources in Alaska.

I think you mean "liberal" environmentalists.  Convervatives are all for drilling and minimizing our dependence on foreign oil and fat cat "princes."

We've been doing pretty good so far, leave that stuff out of if - when he said conservative I read it in the traditional sense of the word conservative as in 'Favoring traditional views; tending to oppose change.'
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 12, 2006, 09:46 AM
My bad - I guess traditional would've been a better word to use in that context.


Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 12, 2006, 10:33 AM
No worries.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 12, 2006, 10:38 AM

Who's suggesting that this could be done over-night?  Just because it is going to take a long time doesn't mean we should just forget about it.

Well, I'm not really suggesting that just kind of saying that it would certainly affect the world/US economy if we did it...even if it took a year. Well...I guess even in a year's time that would be alot like doing it overnite since it's been so many years of doing it the way we do now.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 12, 2006, 11:40 AM
A year would be the same thing as overnight.  It will take decades, and for every job you'd lose in one sector, you'd create another in the clean-energy sector.  There are a few things stopping this from moving forward.

One of them is the oil lobbyists whispering in the ears of our elected officials.

The other is our elected officials short-sightedness.  I.E., they only think far enough in advance to pander to voters around re-relection time.

We need visionaries who aren't afraid to tell oil companies to shove it - and it isn't going to happen any time soon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 12, 2006, 12:45 PM
Right.

As I understand it, Senators receive generous pay for what they do.  The prices at the pumps really don't affect them like they do the working middle class.

There's so much corupt poltics going on, everyone is scared to make a stink about it. 

Anyone that can make a difference that is...

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on April 12, 2006, 11:12 PM
Yeah but (without having read your link yet) isn't the knock on hydrogen that it requires oil to convert into usable fuel?  Which would sort of defeat the purpose to a degeee.

It's an electrolytic process.  So it does require some electricity in order to process the raw materials, but there are a variety of means of generating the power to do so.  The catch being though that most electricity in the US is generated using dirty fuels like coal and oil.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 13, 2006, 10:33 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/12/magazines/fortune/pluggedin_fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes

Quote
Last week, Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Herb Kohl and Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Arlen Specter proposed legislation that would increase regulatory scrutiny of Big Oil, which Kohl says "has unquestionably enriched itself during this period of high prices."
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 14, 2006, 10:39 PM
Quote
Exxon is giving Lee Raymond one of the most generous retirement packages in history, nearly $400 million, including pension, stock options and other perks, such as a $1 million consulting deal, two years of home security, personal security, a car and driver, and use of a corporate jet for professional purposes.

Last November, when he was still chairman of Exxon, Raymond told Congress that gas prices were high because of global supply and demand.

"We're all in this together, everywhere in the world," he testified.

Raymond, however, was confronted with caustic complaints about his compensation.

"In 2004, Mr. Raymond, your bonus was over $3.6 million," Sen. Barbara Boxer said.

That was before new corporate documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that revealed Raymond's retirement deal and his $51.1 million paycheck in 2005. That's equivalent to $141,000 a day, nearly $6,000 an hour. It's almost more than five times what the CEO of Chevron made.

"I think it will spark a lot of outrage," said Sarah Anderson, a fellow in the global economy program at the Institute for Policy Studies, an independent think tank. "Clearly much of his high-level pay is due to the high price of gas."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989&page=1
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 17, 2006, 12:53 PM
Great articles Rob.

Here's another doom and gloom report:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/17/D8H1S3OO0.html



Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: mousedroid on April 17, 2006, 01:17 PM
If we suddenly went 'cold turkey' on Gas powered Autos what would happen to all the American auto making companys? This world today seems to be about High priced gas sucking SUV's and many other types of autos that folks want to be 'different'..or because they're cool. I could totally see the automakers taking a huge blow initially if we suddenly had to convert to a boring same-as-everybody else alternate fuel vehicle-not to mention production would have to catch up to the demand for these vehicles if we quit..the oil. Sure they could catch up but I def. don't think it would be a smooth conversion.I wonder if that scenario would effect the US/world economy at all ::).  I believe there is technology today to have Gas vehicles that(even v8's) get a ton of MPG. They'll never be produced however, since it would hurt auto sales and Gas demands and oil company profits. Such is the world the way it is now..like Dressel says..and we just have to deal with it 'cause there's nothing we can do about it :(.   
The American automobile industry is going to be in a world of hurt if they don't start producing more and better alternative fuel vehicles.  If we don't, someone else, i.e. the Japanese, will.  Just think how much better the auto industry would be doing today if Ford and/or GM had developed the first reliable, mass-market hybrid cars instead of letting Honda and Toyota do it.  Gas-electric hybrids don't make up the majority of American automobile purchases yet, but that segment of the industry is growing rapidly and right now foreign automakers are reaping the lion's share of the profits.

The market for hydrogen fuel cell cars would be a lot different though because even if US buyers want them (and I'm one who does), they won't sell well because there are only a handful of places in this country to purchase fuel.  Until we build a hydrogen fueling station infrastructure, no one is going to buy such cars.  The good thing about that is that it gives the US automakers time to develop really good designs for these vehicles and to bring them to market in such a way as to lock out foreign competition.  It probably won't happen though and people will be driving Honda & Toyota hydrogen cars long before Ford or Chevy decides they'd better start playing catch-up.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 17, 2006, 03:11 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989&page=1

I'm neither Republican or Democrat, but I will occasionally listen to that fat, drug-addicted pig Rush Limbaugh, especially when news like this hits the media. 

Today, his show was defending the retirement package of the Exxon CEO.  And of course, all of his callers were calling in to back up his comments. 

Sometimes it is more funny to listen to Rush & their Repubs dismiss the obvious problems in the world.  This is what the Republic must have been like before the Clones Wars.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on April 17, 2006, 03:31 PM
I'm .02 cents shy of $3 in my town.  It has gone up .50 cents in 3 weeks. >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 17, 2006, 05:04 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989&page=1

I'm neither Republican or Democrat,

You sure about that?

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2006, 06:46 PM
I don't consider myself to be a democrat even though I leave left 4 out of every 5 times.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on April 18, 2006, 07:37 AM
I hit $3 a gallon as of this morning. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 18, 2006, 09:06 AM
Ouch.  It's too early for that ****.  It's going to be a LONG summer...we're at $2.65 here in Iowa.

I commute 120 miles a day - I'm going to have to cut back on SW to compensate for the hike in gas prices...plus there's another little one on the way...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 18, 2006, 09:26 AM
I'm curious, is the reason why that the economy took such a hit in the 70's because people couldn't charge their way out of it? I ask because i'm wondering what the threashold is that will start to cause people to noticably start cutting back.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 18, 2006, 09:30 AM
Prices are up about .40 cents/gallon in the past 2 weeks here in upstate NY.  $3 a gallon at present.

That's one hefty hike for a short period of time.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 18, 2006, 09:50 AM
I'm curious, is the reason why that the economy took such a hit in the 70's because people couldn't charge their way out of it? I ask because i'm wondering what the threashold is that will start to cause people to noticably start cutting back.

You've hit the nail on the head.  The economy is still doing well because of credit.  And the fact that most households are double incomes - back in the 70's, the number of stay at home parents was a lot larger.

And the answer to your question is $4.



Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on April 18, 2006, 09:54 AM
I filled up last night on the way from from the grocery store - $2.579 per gallon. 

It's about $2.65+ at most of the other stations, I guess I just lucked into a "cheap" one.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 18, 2006, 12:55 PM
You've hit the nail on the head.  The economy is still doing well because of credit.  And the fact that most households are double incomes - back in the 70's, the number of stay at home parents was a lot larger.

Meanwhile  our national debt is going to hit 9 Trillion Dollars in a year or however long.

Our government is being run on a credit card where the card-hodlers set the limit.  This is getting dangerous.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 18, 2006, 01:07 PM
I don't know which of the two evils is worse - a recession or a debt-ridden society.

 ???
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 18, 2006, 02:29 PM
$2.95 here in the desert in SoCal
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 18, 2006, 02:49 PM
Any bets on how much it will be by Labor Day?

I say $3.75 (national average).

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 18, 2006, 03:12 PM
I don't know which of the two evils is worse - a recession or a debt-ridden society.

 ???

Recessions are natural occurrences in cyclical economies - they're corrections to overly-robust growth and eventually they end.  Piling debt on top of debt on top of debt the way that we do in this country (nationally, and individually) is going to catch up with us someday - and it isn't going to be pretty. 

Our economy is a model that is only successful if it is growing - stagnation or recession is automatic failure - but you can't grow and grow forever when you have finite resources and finite space.  This goes back to what I was saying earlier about the rampant short-sightedness in Washington - and in our own lives.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 18, 2006, 06:05 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989&page=1

I'm neither Republican or Democrat,

You sure about that?



WTF??

Yes, I am sure.  Are you?

I hate Prez Bush, but like Texas Gov. Perry, both are Repubs.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on April 18, 2006, 06:21 PM
I filled up last night on the way from from the grocery store - $2.579 per gallon. 

It's about $2.65+ at most of the other stations, I guess I just lucked into a "cheap" one.

What a difference a day makes - I drove by the same station on my way home from work and now they are up to $2.829 per gallon.   ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on April 18, 2006, 06:31 PM
We're $2.85.  I went from $20 getting me from near empty to near full or just on the line...  Now I'm lucky if it gets me above half a tank when I go to fill up some.  People are calling for gas tax cuts in our state...  I'm not.  I would much prefer that the federal government got a little handle on this now and LOCKED it down.  I respect Spectre for that move he made since he's one of the only ones who seems to be doing so.

The main thing that irks about this is that nobody but those in the "have not" column are really being impacted...  It's hell being poor.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on April 18, 2006, 06:46 PM
Senator calls for gasoline price-fix probe (http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/18/news/economy/gas_price_investigation/index.htm?cnn=yes)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jedi Idej on April 18, 2006, 06:52 PM
I saw a couple of places yesterday for $2.85. Most are in the high $2.90s, and a few are a shade under $3.20. Soon it'll be uniformly over $3. It's going to be a painful spring and summer, so stock up on your lube.



Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 18, 2006, 06:56 PM
Well, today I saw two gas stations tape off pumps. Not sure what that was all about, but the price jumped immediatley after, and people filling up got charged the higher price, and were pretty damn pissed, or so I overheard from a clerk working the counter at the gas station.

Walking to work from now on. I apreciate the excercise, but dear lord. It's a good thing I have a second job outside of my buisness, or I'd be **** out of luck when it comes to spending money and gas. >:(

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on April 18, 2006, 08:54 PM
Saw a report on national news tonight that $3.00 will become the new low for gas. This is due to our own usuage, China's increase use of gas, and the on going crisis in the Middle East (Iran, Iraq).  I have to add that besides that, you have oil companies gauging.

Because of this, I am buying the Tatooine wave from BBTS and the TRU Battle Pack online, and then I'm done. Collecting is fun, but not when I have to fill up 2x in a week to do runs, and my car gets 30 to 32 mpg on the highway and 26 or so in the city.

How much is the current price of figures related to increase costs to bring product to market (from ships, to trucks etc)?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on April 19, 2006, 08:37 AM
Prices went up 10 cents overnight in my town.  $3.10.  Looking at one of my slips from a month ago.  Gas has gone up almost 60 cents in a month where I am.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 19, 2006, 09:24 AM
BREAKING NEWS!!!

I saw President Bush on TV today making another speech.  He is "concerned" about rising gas prices.

Thank you, that's all.......


 ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 19, 2006, 09:30 AM
Thank goodness. Now I can sleep at night.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on April 19, 2006, 10:08 AM
$1.09/liter.  So $4.48 CAD/gallon or $3.81 USD/gallon :o :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iFett on April 19, 2006, 10:10 AM
Gas went up overnight here in MN from $2.61 to $2.79.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on April 19, 2006, 10:12 AM
$1.09/liter.  So $4.48 CAD/gallon or $3.81 USD/gallon :o :'(

Good Lord! :o  We were at 2.89 yesterday.  I have noticed at definate increase in prices when I shop at BJ's.  All of the bulk items that we buy on a regular basis have gone up significantly in the past 3 or 4 months.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 19, 2006, 10:52 AM

How much is the current price of figures related to increase costs to bring product to market (from ships, to trucks etc)?

Quite a bit.  Oil is used to make plastic and obviously toy companies have to transport their product from China to the ports here in the U.S.

After they reach the ports, they are transported via train, semi or a combination of both to their distribution facilities where they are inventoried.

Then, once again, they are transported via semis to retailer distribution centers. 

So yes, gas prices (oil) do affect toy prices. 

Chances are you won't see a price increase this year, but you might next year.  Most companies anticipate higher fuel costs at the beginning of the year.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 19, 2006, 04:45 PM
We made the jump to 3.05 here.

For the cheap stuff.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 19, 2006, 05:16 PM
I saw 3.01 here today to - not that you can't get a steal at 2.87 or 2.91 right down the street from the 3.01 place.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on April 19, 2006, 08:15 PM
$1.09/liter.  So $4.48 CAD/gallon or $3.81 USD/gallon :o :'(

Close, were at $1.08. On the way home from work I noticed it went up again today. *******!  >:(  :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on April 20, 2006, 01:50 AM
$1.09/liter.  So $4.48 CAD/gallon or $3.81 USD/gallon :o :'(

Close, were at $1.08. On the way home from work I noticed it went up again today. *******!  >:(  :'(

$1.109/liter.  I win!  ;D  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on April 20, 2006, 02:04 AM
About $2.75 here, if you buy it on the crappy side of town that I drive through to get to work every day.

I usually fill up at one of the truck stops just off I-380. There's two stops within a half mile of each other, and one will usually beat every other station within fifteen miles just due to the competition between those two truck stops.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: CHEWIE on April 20, 2006, 02:15 AM
$2.79 and climbing...

 :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on April 20, 2006, 02:41 AM
$2.95, though I did put $20 in on the way home tonight at the last station I saw at $2.89.  Figured it'd be $2.95 and I was below half tank so no sense pissing away $ if I don't have to.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on April 20, 2006, 03:06 AM
The way I figure it, gas is cheap here in the US still. Look at prices in Europe. Some areas are $7 to $8 or more a gallon (converted). I think $4 over the next year is more than possible.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 20, 2006, 09:29 AM
I just got one of those chain e-mails that actually had an intelligent idea. Since boycotting gas stations for a day would never work, why not boycott Exxon and Mobil for the rest of the year?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2006, 10:10 AM
Because that would mean that everyone would actually have to care enough to do that for a prolonged period of time.

American's in general, don't.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 20, 2006, 10:27 AM
I just got one of those chain e-mails that actually had an intelligent idea. Since boycotting gas stations for a day would never work, why not boycott Exxon and Mobil for the rest of the year?

Bill O'Reilly proposed boycotting Exxon b/c of the $400 million retirement package given to their CEO. 

There are not that many Exxon/Tigermarts here in San Antonio, but I will do my part.  I will not go to an Exxon or Tigermart out of protest for their record profits and ludacris retirement package.  Anybody else want to join me??

Paid $2.76 yesterday at HEB Grocery
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on April 20, 2006, 10:56 AM
I just got one of those chain e-mails that actually had an intelligent idea. Since boycotting gas stations for a day would never work, why not boycott Exxon and Mobil for the rest of the year?

I got that e-mail too.  Here's why it won't work:


http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jjks on April 20, 2006, 11:17 AM

I got that e-mail too.  Here's why it won't work:


http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp (http://www.yoururl.com)


Interesting read.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 20, 2006, 12:46 PM
I just got one of those chain e-mails that actually had an intelligent idea. Since boycotting gas stations for a day would never work, why not boycott Exxon and Mobil for the rest of the year?

I got that e-mail too.  Here's why it won't work:


http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp


I'm not boycotting Exxon/Mobil in HOPES that it forces them to reduce their price of gasoline.  I'm protesting b/c they are price goughing and will continue to do so since SOMEONE has to pay for the $400 million retirement package of their CEO.  And that someone is...........YOU!

And to blow this article out of the water.....I'll buy my gas from Valero, formely Diamond Shamrock.  Valero is also making crazy profits just like any other Oil Company, but at least they are based here in San Antonio.  And they have their own refinaries in Texas and California.  So Valero will not be buying gas from Exxon/Mobil.


But my best way to protest the entire Gas Price Goughing is by only fueling up twice this month, my car once and my wife's car once.  We may make it to the end of the month without having to re-fuel. 

Happy to say that I'm not driving that so-called "demand".  Still, India and China cast an infinite shadow over little me anyway...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on April 20, 2006, 12:57 PM
If you are going to buy gas, buy from Cenex, that way I can get more profit sharing money :)

(http://www.bunkhouseretreat.com/images/Cenex%20Merrillan.jpg)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 20, 2006, 01:19 PM
Never heard of Cenex here in Texas... :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on April 20, 2006, 01:44 PM
$1.09/liter.  So $4.48 CAD/gallon or $3.81 USD/gallon :o :'(

Close, were at $1.08. On the way home from work I noticed it went up again today. *******!  >:(  :'(

$1.109/liter.  I win!  ;D  >:(

Uh, no.  $1.13 this morning >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 20, 2006, 09:42 PM
I just got one of those chain e-mails that actually had an intelligent idea. Since boycotting gas stations for a day would never work, why not boycott Exxon and Mobil for the rest of the year?

I got that e-mail too.  Here's why it won't work:


http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp


Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Good points. However, I do wonder how much of a dent theAmerican consumers contribute to the profits? I has to be enough to make some sort of dent.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on April 20, 2006, 11:57 PM
$1.09/liter.  So $4.48 CAD/gallon or $3.81 USD/gallon :o :'(

Close, were at $1.08. On the way home from work I noticed it went up again today. *******!  >:(  :'(

$1.109/liter.  I win!  ;D  >:(

Uh, no.  $1.13 this morning >:(

Sigh.  $1.139 this afternoon.  I really don't want to win this.  :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Daigo-Bah on April 21, 2006, 12:20 AM
This morning on the radio, the host mentioned a stat that an analyst recently came up with.  He said that if America drove 3% less than it does, gas prices would drop .70 average.  3%!!!  That equates to one less mile of driving per day for everyone.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on April 21, 2006, 12:45 AM
(http://andrew.serff.net/uploads/CanadianHumor/Shell.jpg)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Hemish on April 21, 2006, 01:18 AM
They hit $1.40 a litre here over easter weekend.

works out roughly to $3.92 a Gallon
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 21, 2006, 10:23 AM
This morning on the radio, the host mentioned a stat that an analyst recently came up with.  He said that if America drove 3% less than it does, gas prices would drop .70 average.  3%!!!  That equates to one less mile of driving per day for everyone.

Wow, that's hard to believe. 

I could handle that!

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2006, 11:15 AM
I'd also read that if we could increase our national MPG by 7, we wouldn't need to buy any oil from Saudi Arabia.

Who knows if all these little factoids are true though...  This crap isn't going to stop until the oil is gone and we're having WWIII for the remaining bits of it, or until we get a new source of energy - preferrably a clean one.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 21, 2006, 11:43 AM
I read somewhere that either Honda or Toyota was due to put out a car that runs purely on ethanol (made from corn) in 2008.  It's my understanding that existing gas stations can fill a tank with ethanol, rather than regular gas as we know it now, so no major huge modifications need to be done.  I think regular gas right now is about 10% ethanol.  At any rate, pure ethanol will cost about the same as regular gas, but at least the money is going to our very own Midwest in the US of A, and corn farmers, rather than the Middle East.  What will also happen eventually, is that the ethanol development will scare the crap out of the Arab countries and the price of oil per barrel will drop so that we still use it.  Without oil, they're screwed. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2006, 12:02 PM
What's the catch?  That sounds way too good to be true.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 21, 2006, 12:09 PM
What's the catch?  That sounds way too good to be true.

It doesn't sound like there is much of a catch.  Ethanol is basically corn juice that is fermented.  And we have an endless supply of the stuff.

My Dad tells me you can already modify your car with a few small changes and under a thousand dollars to run on ethanol right now.  The big issue is that we don't have it at fueling stations yet, but it's an easy enough transition to make since the stations only need to change what they put in their tank, and not the equipment itself.

Hopefully then by 2009 we'll pull into a gas station and have unleaded pumps, diesel, and pure ethanol.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on April 21, 2006, 12:46 PM
Really all you need to change is your hoses in the car, and even that is debateable

Buy ethanol too, that also helps with my profit sharing! :-*

Corn is the here and now...there are many other biomass options coming down the research pipeline that will pretty much guarantee we won't be running gasoline much longer in our cars.

That said, we still need crude oil for lots and lots of things...plastics and chemical stock so while we'll reduce the dependence, it will still be there.  AND...the one thing a lot of people don't realize, you need some sort of fuel to run ethanol plants.  Be it natural gas, coal or fuel oil...

The debate is still out as well as to wether there is a net gain in the manufacture of ethanol.  ie...does it take a gallon of oil to make a gallon of ethanol, including farming, transporting and manufacturing???? Most studies point to a small net gain but there are disputing testimonies
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2006, 01:31 PM
That sounds like the catch I was looking for.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 21, 2006, 01:39 PM
Yeah, I heard a report on NPR a while back claiming that Ethanol isn't any cheaper to  produce compared to oil (at least now now).

Who knows, as more and more Ethanol plants begin to pop up, we may see a decrease in the cost -

But as Dressel said, it will decrease our dependence on the Middle East, which in the  end, is a good thing.



Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2006, 03:33 PM
If it takes a gallon of oil to produce a gallon of ethanol, we don't decrease our dependence on oil-rich nations at all.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 21, 2006, 03:47 PM
Whoa okay, I didn't know you needed that much oil to produce ethanol.  I reckon that's to run the machinery in the factories?  Maybe we can use ethanol to power those as well.  I know it takes a bit of sugar added to the crushed corn paste and some time to get the fermentation going.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2006, 03:55 PM
If you used Ethanol to make ethanol at a 1:1 ratio - you'd never produce a single net drop of ethanol.  There would need to be some way to make it that wouldn't require as much energy as you'd get out of it.

Anyone know how much energy it takes to run an oil refinery?  I'd be curious about how much oil a refinery uses to refine a gallon of gasoline.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on April 21, 2006, 03:55 PM
Its not a gallon to a gallon

Better comparison is energy (Btu's)  it takes approx 1 Btu of Crude to produce 1.1-1.5 Btu's of ethanol

Lots of ethanol plants are trying to convert to coal instead of natural gas or crude...which sort of defeats the green purpose of ethanol\

The other big issue is the large amounts of water needed for fermentation...

Its not as easy and peachy as it sounds
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on April 21, 2006, 04:02 PM
The real future of the automobile is in pure Hydrogen and not ethanol.  Ethanol to me is nothing more than a farmer lobbyist subsidy dream come true. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2006, 04:33 PM
Before all the talk about ethanol started, I'd read that the problem with Hydrogen was that it required so much energy to produce - same kind of deal as what we've been talking about.

Plus, there isn't an infrastructure in place to deliver hydrogen to cars.

We all need to just move out of the suburbs, into cities and then walk everywhere.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 21, 2006, 05:16 PM
At least with ethanol there really is no end to the supply. As it is right now..the gov't pays millions of dollars a year to farmers to not farm on all their land. So if demand even opened up we could just justify more farming on unfarmed/cycled soils. Corn is also very forgiving when it comes to soil type as well....it's farmed successfully all over the US ::).

I think you could rationalize a comparison with how much oil/how often changed you need for an everyday car compared to how much fuel(gas) used. I'm sure the comparison in reality is alot higher in ethanol's favor from the generic 1:1 ratio given.

In other news..oil hit new record of 75$ a barrel today(up from 72$ yesterday) so by this afternoon I bet alot of gas stations raised their rates or definately will be by tommorrow! :P 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on April 21, 2006, 05:23 PM
The end of the supply is the water.  You think enviromentalists all over the US will let ethanol companies drain the aquifers and burn coal which in turn will supply ethanol for driving?  I don't see it happening...

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/state/13906471.htm
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 22, 2006, 01:12 AM
I was in the gas station paying my $7.25 for fuel at the Gas Station today ($3.01 a gallon) and the guy behind the counter (the owner) was taking a phone call and became very frustrated. He hung up and told the fellow next to him that the people in charge of upping the gas price called and told him tommorow morning he'd have to up every type .10 cents.

I'm pissed.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 22, 2006, 09:55 AM
up every type .10 cents.


Really, 1/10 of a cent is not a lot.

 ;D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 22, 2006, 07:18 PM
I was in the gas station paying my $7.25 for fuel at the Gas Station today ($3.01 a gallon) and the guy behind the counter (the owner) was taking a phone call and became very frustrated. He hung up and told the fellow next to him that the people in charge of upping the gas price called and told him tommorow morning he'd have to up every type .10 cents.

I'm pissed.

Kevin

A lot of gas stations around here have a warning sticker on the pumps that consists of a cell phone with a red circle and slash through it, stating that cell phone signals have the potential to cause an explosion when used  around gas pumps.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Force Guy on April 22, 2006, 08:30 PM
I wish I still had my bicycle.   :-[
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jediknight760071 on April 22, 2006, 08:40 PM
I wish I still had my bicycle.   :-[

Welcome Back. :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2006, 11:13 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 22, 2006, 11:20 PM
Ruiner, Dressel, Zod, Force Guy - I haven't sensed their collective presence since...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2006, 01:05 AM
Since P-Wise shut down our year and a half long 'discussion'?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Xander on April 23, 2006, 01:14 AM
I wish I still had my bicycle.   :-[

lol. heh.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 23, 2006, 10:32 AM
Wow, Force Guy - long time no see.

Did you guys catch CNN last night?  They were predicting the usual doom an gloom future of the United States, and for once I agree with them.

They did a report on Brazil and how they only depend on oil for 25% of their total fuel consumption.  The entire country is fueled (75% of it) by sugar cane.  The waste that is left over from the production process is used to power the plants. 

The fuel that they produce from the sugar cane is called Alcool.  It has taken nearly 30 years for the country to get where they are today - almost total self-reliance in regards to fueling their vehicles.

Amazing...and embarassing for us Americans who are nearly 30 decades behind.

And oh yeah, what about China and their bid to become the next world superpower?

Doom and gloom my friends, doom and gloom.

 :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 23, 2006, 10:49 AM
Wow, Force Guy - long time no see.

Did you guys catch CNN last night?  They were predicting the usual doom an gloom future of the United States, and for once I agree with them.

They did a report on Brazil and how they only depend on oil for 25% of their total fuel consumption.  The entire country is fueled (75% of it) by sugar cane.  The waste that is left over from the production process is used to power the plants. 

The fuel that they produce from the sugar cane is called Alcool.  It has taken nearly 30 years for the country to get where they are today - almost total self-reliance in regards to fueling their vehicles.

Amazing...and embarassing for us Americans who are nearly 30 decades behind.

And oh yeah, what about China and their bid to become the next world superpower?

Doom and gloom my friends, doom and gloom.

 :(

Now you're only a trip-to-the-voting-booth-to-pull-the-lever-for-Hillary away from having a "D" after your name.

You bastard.

 :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 23, 2006, 10:53 AM
Since P-Wise shut down our year and a half long 'discussion'?

I don't know if you've seen Norga Rotem's sig line over at, um, the other place, but it says "Accidental Killer of the W+P thread".

Hijacking GH to continue yelling at each other afterwards was a blast too.

Memories  :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 23, 2006, 11:46 AM
Mythbusters tackled the cell phone ordeal. It had somthing to do with women wearing panty-hose and sliding in and out of said car, and touching the metal handel of the pump. And he wasn't on a cell. Keep up Matt.  :P

And I meant ten cents.  :P

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2006, 10:50 AM
I paid $2.93 yesterday - saw it for $2.84 a little while later - also saw it for $3.05 a little while earlier.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 24, 2006, 11:22 AM
Hit 3.07 here in SOCAL today :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 24, 2006, 01:42 PM
$2.79 in the heartland.

What a bargain.  Not really, we have to drive everywhere...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Reid on April 24, 2006, 03:02 PM
$2.99 in NoVA...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sprry75 on April 24, 2006, 07:42 PM
[totally sarcastic; don't ban me] Way to go Dressel, you ****, you've obviously scared Force Guy off.

****.

Plus these ****** gas prices are Bush's fault.  **** Bush.[/totally sarcastic; don't ban me]

Only $3.61 for regular in tha' SLC.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 24, 2006, 08:58 PM
$3.11 here Jon. I saw the "cheep" Cheveron near me changing the price this afternoon. I was so stunned, I paused making a right turn and slowed up traffic behind me.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 25, 2006, 05:00 AM
[totally sarcastic; don't ban me] Way to go Dressel, you ****, you've obviously scared Force Guy off.

****.

Plus these ****** gas prices are Bush's fault.  **** Bush.[/totally sarcastic; don't ban me]

Only $3.61 for regular in tha' SLC.

That's what you get for punching my munchkin!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 25, 2006, 09:12 AM
Sprry is here too?!

This thread is on the verge of imploding.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2006, 11:01 AM
That's what you get for punching my munchkin!

Donkey Punch?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sprry75 on April 25, 2006, 02:38 PM
[totally sarcastic; don't ban me] Way to go Dressel, you ****, you've obviously scared Force Guy off.

****.

Plus these ****** gas prices are Bush's fault.  **** Bush.[/totally sarcastic; don't ban me]


Not cool, dude, not cool.
Only $3.61 for regular in tha' SLC.

That's what you get for punching my munchkin!

Look Dressel.  You crossed the line.  Although I lost the bet about a Kerry '04 victory, you agreed you'd keep the spoils of your victory a secret.  Now every closeted right winger is going to be bugging me for handjobs.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 25, 2006, 03:13 PM

Quote
Now every closeted right winger is going to be bugging me for handjobs.


I'd ask if I weren't married.  You know, the whole infedility thing.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JoshEEE on April 25, 2006, 04:38 PM
3.11 cents here in Seattle yesterday.

Prices have officially inspired me to look up bus routes to work.  This is what it has come to.  ;D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 25, 2006, 04:40 PM
I'm thinking about buying a hybrid Civic which is a big step for me  - I hate making car payments.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 25, 2006, 06:44 PM
As predicted ..Bush is trying to save his sorry ass(and the republican party come election time) again by trying to come up with a (temporary ::)) solution.

Noticed his approval rating (1/3 of americans approve of his job performance) wasn't affected :P :-X

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/25/bush.energy/index.html
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Force Guy on April 25, 2006, 07:41 PM
[totally sarcastic; don't ban me] Way to go Dressel, you ****, you've obviously scared Force Guy off.

****.

Plus these ****** gas prices are Bush's fault.  **** Bush.[/totally sarcastic; don't ban me]


Not cool, dude, not cool.
Only $3.61 for regular in tha' SLC.

That's what you get for punching my munchkin!

Look Dressel.  You crossed the line.  Although I lost the bet about a Kerry '04 victory, you agreed you'd keep the spoils of your victory a secret.  Now every closeted right winger is going to be bugging me for handjobs.


Ah, how I missed you guys so much.....

 :)

Gas prices in San Antonio were about $2.79 as of last week. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on April 26, 2006, 12:47 AM
We're between $2.95 and $2.99...  above the supposed national average.  For a low cost-of-living area like Pittsburgh, that is sucking hard for a lot of people.  Then again as I watch the moron in the gas-guzzler complain about gas prices on the 6:00 news, I'm tempted to shoot the TV Elvis style.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 26, 2006, 09:08 AM
As predicted ..Bush is trying to save his sorry ass(and the republican party come election time) again by trying to come up with a (temporary ::)) solution.

Noticed his approval rating (1/3 of americans approve of his job performance) wasn't affected :P :-X

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/25/bush.energy/index.html

Can we keep the political commentaries to a minimum?



Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 26, 2006, 09:30 AM
A tid bit I hate to mention, because although it may be true, it's still no excuse for the high prices, but, adjusting for inflation, the gas prices in 1981 were higher.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 26, 2006, 01:58 PM
Gas is down five cents here to $2.69.

Anyone know where I can find a Honda Insight on the cheap?

 8)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on April 26, 2006, 09:47 PM
Another bump in my town.  Paid 3.17 today :o
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Matt on April 27, 2006, 03:04 AM
A tid bit I hate to mention, because although it may be true, it's still no excuse for the high prices, but, adjusting for inflation, the gas prices in 1981 were higher.

But, adjusting for inflation, it was only like $3.12, yeah?  What's the national average right now, $2.90-something?  And it's not even Memorial Day yet.

It will have been a lot higher than $3.12 by Labor Day, I guarantee.

(http://www.mikesthings.com/images/JUSTIN1.jpg)

******' jackals.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 27, 2006, 09:16 AM
I honestly think we'll see $4 gas by Labor Day on the west and east coasts.

Gas has taken a little dive in the past two days - we're at $2.66.

I heard on NPR that the government has requested financial documents from the three big oil companies - the last time they made such a request was when Enron was about to go under.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 27, 2006, 09:30 AM
Yeah, well, according to Rush (yes, I do occationaly listen to him for a laugh) his "Experts" say that the investigations are unwarrented since that the Gas companies simply don't engage in any type of gouging activity. ::) So I'd image then that the documents will be handed right over.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2006, 10:11 AM
If the old pill-popping windbag says it, it must be true...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jjks on April 27, 2006, 10:51 AM
I can't wait to get my $100 check in the mail

 :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2006, 11:53 AM
Didn't know what you meant until I saw this:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/27/gas.rebate/index.html

Stupidest crap ever... just like stimulating the economy with a $300.00 tax cut check.

This is a shady attempt at getting public support for a bill that will backdoor us into drilling in wild-life preserves:

"However, the GOP energy package may face tough sledding because it also includes a controversial proposal to open part of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to oil exploration, which most Democrats and some moderate Republicans oppose."

Shameless.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jayson on April 27, 2006, 11:57 AM
Drill away  ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2006, 12:01 PM
Drilling more oil won't do anything to help prices when we don't have any excess refining capacity to put more gas on the market.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 27, 2006, 12:01 PM
Might as well tap every source of oil we have until it's depleted.  Then, and only then, will this country realize that we need to develop a new alternative source to oil.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 27, 2006, 12:02 PM
Drilling more oil won't do anything to help prices when we don't have any excess refining capacity to put more gas on the market.

Aren't the oil companies going to use their billions in profits to build more refineries?

 ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on April 27, 2006, 12:04 PM
"However, the GOP energy package may face tough sledding because it also includes a controversial proposal to open part of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to oil exploration, which most Democrats and some moderate Republicans oppose."

Poor omingmak...  :'(

(http://www.alaskawild.org/assets/images/muskoxen.jpeg)

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2006, 12:06 PM
Drilling more oil won't do anything to help prices when we don't have any excess refining capacity to put more gas on the market.

Aren't the oil companies going to use their billions in profits to build more refineries?

 ;)


I know you already know this but why would they want to take their huge profits and then build refineries that would drive the prices down and reduce their profits? 


Sorry about omingmak Jeff, but he should know better than to get in the way of the black gold.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jayson on April 27, 2006, 12:18 PM
Although the some might not like the source is FoxNews, an interesting read none the less.

Myths about Drilling in ANWR (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179005,00.html)

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 27, 2006, 01:07 PM
Although the some might not like the source is FoxNews, an interesting read none the less.

Myths about Drilling in ANWR (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179005,00.html)



Didn't a reporter/coorespondent working for Fox News just accept a post within the Bush administration?? 

Very intereting indeed.... ::)

And  can't wait to hear the Repubs during the upcoming campaign:  "We wanted to give Americans $100 for gas, but the Democrats stopped us!"  Sneaky way to try to get the drilling in Alaska passed. >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 27, 2006, 01:31 PM
It's really not surprising that Snow was hired to be the next press secretary.  A Republican administration wants someone (who leans to the right) that is going to spin stories to make them look good.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2006, 01:32 PM
Let's take a step back from the Republicans and Democrats here.

Focus on how pissed we all are about high gas prices and we'll all be happy.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jayson on April 27, 2006, 01:34 PM
There's talk about suspending the Fed's tax on gas for a 60-day period... now that's a start!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 27, 2006, 01:37 PM
Drilling more oil won't do anything to help prices when we don't have any excess refining capacity to put more gas on the market.

Aren't the oil companies going to use their billions in profits to build more refineries?

 ;)


I know you already know this but why would they want to take their huge profits and then build refineries that would drive the prices down and reduce their profits?  


Sorry about omingmak Jeff, but he should know better than to get in the way of the black gold.



Well, if you look at it in the context of Wal-Mart business practices, volume may be the key.  Even if oil prices dropped because of more refining capacity, they may be able to post bigger profits.

Cheaper gas = more Americans driving = increased consumption of oil.

I know my driving habits have changed because of the bleak outlook of gas prices.  Hell, I don't even go shopping at the brick and mortars anymore when it comes to electronics, movies and toys.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 27, 2006, 03:41 PM
There's talk about suspending the Fed's tax on gas for a 60-day period... now that's a start!

How much is that tax??  In dollars??

Read that Bush will suspend deposits in the National Petroloum fund AFTER the summer season.  ???
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2006, 04:22 PM
Collecting fewer taxes is a bad idea - we're running so far over budget at the moment it's beyond belief.

I'm almost to the point where I'd like to see the prices go up so people would actually cut back even more and push for alternate fuels even more - the problems though are that people with lower incomes can't get by and that the money is lining CEO's pockets instead of doing something worthwhile.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jayson on April 27, 2006, 04:35 PM
That's what sux about the whole situation we can't give $100.00 back to the tax payers  and cut the tax on gas (which would help lower income families) because of the rising deficit. And we can't raise price on gas (which would hurt lower income families).

But, what's funny is that generally those same lower income people, throw cash away on beer, cigarettes, pull tabs, powerball tickets etc. and yet they bitch that about gas.  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 27, 2006, 04:41 PM
Quote



Read that Bush will suspend deposits in the National Petroloum fund AFTER the summer season.  ???

Edit - misread.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on April 27, 2006, 05:08 PM
Quote
But, what's funny is that generally those same lower income people, throw cash away on beer, cigarettes, pull tabs, powerball tickets etc. and yet they bitch that about gas. 


That's a pretty HUGE generlization there jaybird...  Not all poor are drunks, gambling addicted, wasteful douches...  I'd say quite the opposite, but it's the minority that are cited as the "general" behavior.

Personally...  It's the wastefulness of those with, rather than those without, that bothers me...  People who drive across the street in their Humvee to pick up a loaf of bread they forgot to get on the way home because they're too lazy to make a list...  Then run their kids to soccer and home, but forgot to pick up detergent so they go BACK out... 

Call me crazy but those are the people I see using a LOT of gas in things that use a lot of gas as it is, and not the guy who can barely keep his car running making a trip to 7-11 to buy scratch-offs and cancersticks.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jayson on April 27, 2006, 05:14 PM

That's a pretty HUGE generlization there jaybird...  Not all poor are drunks, gambling addicted, wasteful douches...  I'd say quite the opposite, but it's the minority that are cited as the "general" behavior.


True, I'll rephrase. Generally a "portion" of those whose have lower incomes...etc.  ;)


Personally...  It's the wastefulness of those with, rather than those without, that bothers me...  People who drive across the street in their Humvee to pick up a loaf of bread they forgot to get on the way home because they're too lazy to make a list...  Then run their kids to soccer and home, but forgot to pick up detergent so they go BACK out... 


Like these poor bastards, on both sides of the aisle.... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/26/AR2006042602307_pf.html)  :D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on April 27, 2006, 09:51 PM
I'm almost to the point where I'd like to see the prices go up so people would actually cut back even more and push for alternate fuels even more - the problems though are that people with lower incomes can't get by and that the money is lining CEO's pockets instead of doing something worthwhile.

What about those of us that really only commute to work and back and not much else?  Yet I go through two tanks of gas a week because of the length of drive.  And my length of drive is directly related to a government initiative to decentralize, with precisely zero concern for where my wife works and that there is NO alternative in the butt **** town they shipped me out to?  Is that fair or reasonable? 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: MetalJedi on April 27, 2006, 09:58 PM
Saw regular going for 3.19 this afternoon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 27, 2006, 10:06 PM
I have an anual trip I take each year on memorial day camping. Right now I'm filling up a few 5 Galon gas cans just to be on the safe side when I need fuel on Memorial day weekend.

I offered rides to people, so I didn't think it would be fair to ask for gas money, know what I mean? And it sucks because it's when I could use it the most.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on April 28, 2006, 01:07 AM
Like these poor bastards, on both sides of the aisle.... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/26/AR2006042602307_pf.html)  :D

Exactly...  Of course, watching Senators and Congresspeople walking across the street in droves daily would be comical.  ;D

Maybe they need secret air tubes to shoot them around underground to the places they need to be...  Like the tubes at drive-in banks.  Those things are cool, so it's high time our politicians got stuffed in them and whooshed away to wherever it is they go rather than driving SUV's back and forth around the block.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on April 28, 2006, 02:15 AM
All they'll do is posture, and when the fervor dies down, the same thing will continue to happen with this issue-- nothing.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 28, 2006, 09:47 AM



Well, if you look at it in the context of Wal-Mart business practices, volume may be the key.

That has actually proven wrong. Costco's profits aproach WM's levels. The difference is that WM earns more money because they have a lower emplyee cost over head AND the resulting wallstreet investments which makes the overall earning between the two night and day. Costco is not invested in like WM specificaly because they spent too much on their employee.

I'm dissapointed, but not surprised that the windfall tax was shot down yesterday.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 28, 2006, 10:00 AM
All they'll do is posture, and when the fervor dies down, the same thing will continue to happen with this issue-- nothing.

Yup.

Congress is just a bunch of millionaires arguing with each other as a hobby.  Republicans are hideous and Democrats are even worse than that.

I already put this issue to rest, because I already know what I am going to do about high gas prices...

Pay them.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2006, 10:24 AM
I already put this issue to rest, because I already know what I am going to do about high gas prices...

Bend over.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 28, 2006, 11:28 AM
Exactly Rob.

The sooner everyone just realizes that this government is your 50-50 partner, the better.

You go to work, take all the risk for whatever expenses you have, in my case $250,000 in educational loans and another $600,000 for a business, and if you fail, you're screwed.  The government does nothing to help you.

But if you succeed, then they have their hand in your wallet.  If you bring home $100,000 a year, right off the bat in income tax they are taking 33%.  Then, you go to the store and buy something, and they take another 5-10% in sales tax depending on where you live.  In my case 9%.  Now we're up to 42% tax on my buck so far.  Then, an average house in my area, which is very middle class, is $8,000 in property and school tax (or 8% on $100K) and now you're up to 50% of your income that has been taxed, before you even take out your checkbook to pay your first bill of the month.  And then in NY you've got .20/gallon gas tax, phone bill taxes and line surcharges, etc. etc. and now you are looking at actually giving back more than half of your income.

This is really going on as we live and breathe, we give back over half the money we earn to the government.  And you've got no say in how it's spent, or who they redistribute it to.

Now I'm not really complaining, I do fine and I'm happy, and this is the greatest country in the world.  But you do eat a lot of **** here.

So when I pull up to the gas pump and see $3.20/gallon, it is irritating, yes, but at this point it's like being gang raped by 50 people, and before it's over a 51st comes by just to give you one more for the road.

Gas prices.  See them.  Pay them.  Move on.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2006, 12:45 PM
That wraps it up neatly...

I'm at least a little lucky because the two states that I've resided in haven't had state income tax...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jayson on April 28, 2006, 01:19 PM
Now we're getting some where...

Shell unveils plans for 'biggest refinery in US (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/28/060428150248.kurimp3k.html)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 28, 2006, 02:15 PM
Exactly Rob.

The sooner everyone just realizes that this government is your 50-50 partner, the better.

You go to work, take all the risk for whatever expenses you have, in my case $250,000 in educational loans and another $600,000 for a business, and if you fail, you're screwed.  The government does nothing to help you.

But if you succeed, then they have their hand in your wallet.  If you bring home $100,000 a year, right off the bat in income tax they are taking 33%.  Then, you go to the store and buy something, and they take another 5-10% in sales tax depending on where you live.  In my case 9%.  Now we're up to 42% tax on my buck so far.  Then, an average house in my area, which is very middle class, is $8,000 in property and school tax (or 8% on $100K) and now you're up to 50% of your income that has been taxed, before you even take out your checkbook to pay your first bill of the month.  And then in NY you've got .20/gallon gas tax, phone bill taxes and line surcharges, etc. etc. and now you are looking at actually giving back more than half of your income.

This is really going on as we live and breathe, we give back over half the money we earn to the government.  And you've got no say in how it's spent, or who they redistribute it to.

Now I'm not really complaining, I do fine and I'm happy, and this is the greatest country in the world.  But you do eat a lot of **** here.

So when I pull up to the gas pump and see $3.20/gallon, it is irritating, yes, but at this point it's like being gang raped by 50 people, and before it's over a 51st comes by just to give you one more for the road.

Gas prices.  See them.  Pay them.  Move on.

I guess that's the price you pay for living in a democracy.  Really, would you want it any other way?

I appreciate the fact that I can say (do) whatever I want and not have to worry about my hands (or tongue) getting chopped off.

Or worse...

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2006, 02:23 PM
I appreciate the fact that I can say (do) whatever I want

We're inching in the other direction.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 29, 2006, 12:35 PM
I appreciate the fact that I can say (do) whatever I want

We're inching in the other direction.

Inching? Warrentless wiretaping, voter fraud (as proven by the three convictions in New Hampshire,) we're more that inching.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on April 29, 2006, 12:38 PM
$2.66 last night in Saint Paul
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 29, 2006, 01:29 PM
I appreciate the fact that I can say (do) whatever I want

We're inching in the other direction.

Inching? Warrentless wiretaping
Quote

*sigh*

I thought we were trying to keep this politics free?

Kevin

*Edited out quotation of deleted post
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Reid on April 29, 2006, 02:18 PM
Right now it is $3.19 here in NoVA.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: MetalJedi on April 29, 2006, 05:25 PM
Saw 3.25 today. They should just get it over with and make it 5.00 a gallon.  :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 29, 2006, 09:18 PM
I appreciate the fact that I can say (do) whatever I want

We're inching in the other direction.

Inching? Warrentless wiretaping
Quote

Was that nessesary?  :P


*Edited out quotation of deleted post
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 29, 2006, 09:22 PM

Inching? Warrentless wiretaping, voter fraud (as proven by the three convictions in New Hampshire,) we're more that inching.

Was this?


 ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 29, 2006, 09:35 PM
Just expanding on Rob's comment. .  Didn't realize I was stating anything un-factual or open to interpretation. :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 29, 2006, 09:45 PM
I'm going to leave it at that before I inadvertently incite a riot.


Um, $3.05 for 87 octane today.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on April 29, 2006, 10:17 PM
I'm going to leave it at that before I inadvertently incite a riot.

Thanks!


$2.69 in Oakdale today... Cost me $30 to fill the Saturn Vue.   :-\

At least the Vue is 20-25 MPG and not the 15-18 MPG I was getting in my old car...  :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on April 30, 2006, 02:05 AM
There's a place down the road for $2.93...  The news says $2.89 is what they're seeing around the city, but I have not seen this yet...  It's still $2.95 and $2.99 at most every one I pass, save that one at $2.93, so $2.89 looks like a godsend by comparison.

$2.89...  Hell I could have that heart transplant I needed then.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2006, 02:14 AM
$2.69 in Oakdale today... Cost me $30 to fill the Saturn Vue.   :-\
At least the Vue is 20-25 MPG and not the 15-18 MPG I was getting in my old car...  :)

That's got to be one of the best prices in the country.

It cost me $36.50 to fill up a Mazda 3 the other day.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris on April 30, 2006, 02:36 AM
Was $56.00 to fill my Grand Cherokee. ::) :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on April 30, 2006, 11:46 AM
Looks like I will be limiting myself more on travels.  Here were prices this moring:

$3.10 basic
$3.20 high grade
$3.30 ultra

I see $4.00 easily within a month.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on April 30, 2006, 12:18 PM
$2.69 in Oakdale today... Cost me $30 to fill the Saturn Vue.   :-\
At least the Vue is 20-25 MPG and not the 15-18 MPG I was getting in my old car...  :)

That's got to be one of the best prices in the country.

It cost me $36.50 to fill up a Mazda 3 the other day.
http://www.twincitiesgasprices.com/

It's not even the best price in the Twin Cities.  Those $2.63 stations is where I filled up on Friday night at $2.66
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2006, 05:04 PM
Here's a question.

I bought this cheapo gas treatment stuff for like $0.89 the other day and put it into my tank... This tank of gas is almost gone, and it looks like I got about 25-30 miles more than I usually do - or about 2 miles per gallon.

So, why don't they just add this crap to gas before we buy it?

Is there a legitimate scientific reason or is it bad for cars or is it just because they'd hate to sell less gas?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on April 30, 2006, 05:13 PM
If it's an octane booster it should boost your mileage because it causes more efficient burning of your gas.

Why don't they add it?  Good question.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DualSaberMaster on April 30, 2006, 07:06 PM
I believe a fuels octane rating is it's resistance for pre-ignition (pinging/detonation, marbles in a coffee can sound).  The higher the rating, the higher it's resistance for pre-ignition/engine damage.   It promotes a slower more efficient burn, as stated above.

Also octane booster in a can is a total waste of money.  It is extremely diluted, even moreso when added to a tank of regular gas.   It has very little benefits.


I think the reason it's not added more, is because the majority of cars are designed for the cheaper stuff, and the same old stand by oil answer "It's alot more expensive to produce".  Higher horsepower cars, and cars running increased timing need the premium stuff.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2006, 07:16 PM
While it's hardly a Ferrari, the 160 HP 2.3 liter engine on the Mazda 3 is the fastest one I've ever owned - maybe it responds better to this type of stuff than my old Civic would.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Diddly on May 2, 2006, 12:12 AM
$2.80 for Regular around here.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on May 2, 2006, 02:31 AM
Prices in NJ seem to have peaked and gone down slightly.  The lowest price I could find for regular unleaded last week was $2.79 a gallon.  Tonight I saw $2.77.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 2, 2006, 09:10 AM
Wow, that's a steal for NJ - we're at $2.79 in Iowa.


Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 2, 2006, 09:32 AM
Question, kind of related. Are the problems the gas companies crying about any different than the problems that the steel companies were crying about back in the early 60's? Anyone remember? The steel companies were banding together and getting ready to raise rates due to supply issues until Kennedy stepped in and forced them to hold steady. Kennedy knew raising rates would kill the economy while the steel industry claimed they would go out of business. Well, the steel industry just had to take a profit hit, but they're still around.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on May 2, 2006, 12:34 PM
Wow, that's a steal for NJ - we're at $2.79 in Iowa.




Not really.  NJ doesn't have the taxes on gas that NY does, if you subtract the taxes from the NY price, the NJ price is actually a little higher than the $3.01/gallon it is here in my hood in NY.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 2, 2006, 01:15 PM
Oh, I see.

I just assumed all gas on the east (and west) coast were higher.

When you're from the potato state you often assume too much!

 ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on May 2, 2006, 01:18 PM
Question, kind of related. Are the problems the gas companies crying about any different than the problems that the steel companies were crying about back in the early 60's? Anyone remember? The steel companies were banding together and getting ready to raise rates due to supply issues until Kennedy stepped in and forced them to hold steady. Kennedy knew raising rates would kill the economy while the steel industry claimed they would go out of business. Well, the steel industry just had to take a profit hit, but they're still around.

Actually, the US steel industry isn't what it was.  It took a major hit in the 70's, especially in western PA and the midwest.  Now the US is having to compete mightily with Japanese steel.  There was actually quite the trade dispute about it for a while, with the US claiming that the Japanese were trying to flood the US market with Japanese steel.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DualSaberMaster on May 2, 2006, 01:19 PM
I paid $3.45 yesterday for our CA water-downed premium.  Put $20 bucks in, and got under six gallons worth of gas.  
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Kenobi on May 2, 2006, 03:22 PM
I'm glad I'm don't use the premium stuff.  I ended up only getting half a tank about 7 gallons for $20.  I'm hoping these prices go down soon but doubt it since the summer months are usually higher then winter rates. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 2, 2006, 05:20 PM
$2.73-2.79 here for 87 Octane gas
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on May 2, 2006, 09:29 PM
Wow, that's a steal for NJ - we're at $2.79 in Iowa.




Not really.  NJ doesn't have the taxes on gas that NY does, if you subtract the taxes from the NY price, the NJ price is actually a little higher than the $3.01/gallon it is here in my hood in NY.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that when you pay for gas.  NY is never going to get rid of that gas tax.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on May 3, 2006, 06:52 AM
$2.73-2.79 here for 87 Octane gas

Damn, that's a steal!!!  A few hours north on 35 and we are right around $3 a gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 3, 2006, 09:40 AM
Question, kind of related. Are the problems the gas companies crying about any different than the problems that the steel companies were crying about back in the early 60's? Anyone remember? The steel companies were banding together and getting ready to raise rates due to supply issues until Kennedy stepped in and forced them to hold steady. Kennedy knew raising rates would kill the economy while the steel industry claimed they would go out of business. Well, the steel industry just had to take a profit hit, but they're still around.

Actually, the US steel industry isn't what it was.  It took a major hit in the 70's, especially in western PA and the midwest.  Now the US is having to compete mightily with Japanese steel.  There was actually quite the trade dispute about it for a while, with the US claiming that the Japanese were trying to flood the US market with Japanese steel.

Well, sure (I'm from eastern PA near Bethlehem) but don't think that hit was the result of Kennedy putting the kabosh on rate hikes because until the 70's, the US didn't have to compete.

Also, if i'm not mistaken, Johnson allowed the rate hikes.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on May 3, 2006, 05:29 PM
Actually, the US steel industry isn't what it was.  It took a major hit in the 70's, especially in western PA and the midwest.  Now the US is having to compete mightily with Japanese steel.  There was actually quite the trade dispute about it for a while, with the US claiming that the Japanese were trying to flood the US market with Japanese steel.

While the steel industry took a hit, it didn't die by a long shot...  The industry had to deal with foreign competition for the first time like Anton mentioned, and that forced an overinflated industry with a chokehold to deal with something it hadn't up till that point...  It shut down a lot of various steel companies, forced others into combining, but it didn't spell doom for steel like history books sometime say.  My home town still has two operational specialty steel mills in it, there is one of the nation's larger plants up the river in another town, and further down the Allegheny is the Allegheny Technologies headquarters plant...

That's just some of the plants in Western PA, which are still considered the top employers for the region.  There's others...  Others still simply moved to areas that would cost less to produce, but kept them in the U.S.  The mills aren't one in every town in the area out near Pittsburgh anymore and that's the visible sign of the hit the industry did take, but they're still plentiful, and U.S. Steel is still a strong industry despite what competition they were forced to deal with.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JayDouble on May 4, 2006, 02:31 AM
Two gas stations by me.  Both across from each other.  One is charging $3.15 the other $3.24.  Guess which one is busy? 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Roton7 on May 10, 2006, 04:51 PM
I don't drive. So none of this appeals to me. :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: name on May 10, 2006, 10:46 PM
The station on my road has been steadily decreasing.  Last time I filled up a couple of weeks ago it was at 2.85.   Dropped into the 2.70's last week and today I noticed it at 2.65.

Would talk more, but my wife just crawled into bed and told me that if I didn't shut the computer off and quit talking to the geeks she would take the whipped cream back downstairs.  Need to find out what that means. .. ..
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on May 10, 2006, 10:52 PM
Would talk more, but my wife just crawled into bed and told me that if I didn't shut the computer off and quit talking to the geeks she would take the whipped cream back downstairs.  Need to find out what that means. .. ..

Let us know, would you?

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on May 10, 2006, 11:55 PM
Pics?  Video?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on May 11, 2006, 01:41 AM
Oh, sundaes...  That's a good idea.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on May 11, 2006, 07:06 AM
Would talk more, but my wife just crawled into bed and told me that if I didn't shut the computer off and quit talking to the geeks she would take the whipped cream back downstairs.  Need to find out what that means. .. ..

Let us know, would you?

Kevin

Pics? Video?

Bunch of geeks ::)  Why don't you get off the computer and try it for yourselves :P

 ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on May 11, 2006, 07:21 AM
Nah.  Girls have cooties.

We're sitting at $1.109/L today.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on May 11, 2006, 12:45 PM
It's about to go up again.

This time because two workers got kidnapped in Nigeria.   ::)

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/11/D8HHM4JG1.html
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 15, 2006, 02:11 PM
Back up again $.10.

Drove into town on Thursday at $2.63 - came home two hours later and it's $2.73.

Takes a month to go down a nickel and a couple of hours to go up a dime.

Figure that one out.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jim on May 15, 2006, 03:51 PM
Cheapest regular is $3 in my area.  High grade runs $3.25 to $3.30.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Mikey D on May 15, 2006, 03:59 PM
Cheapest regular is $3 in my area.  High grade runs $3.25 to $3.30.

Weird, we're still around $2.90 - $2.93 in the Eastern part of the state (at least we were last week when I filled up).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2006, 03:54 PM
Awesome! (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/20/D8IC15600.html)

Quote
AP Business Writer DUBAI, United Arab Emirates The increasing ease of becoming a millionaire became clear Tuesday, with the announcement that the ranks of world millionaires had swelled to 8.7 million last year _ half a million more than the population of New York City.
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The red-hot Middle East saw nearly 10 percent growth in millionaires _ the world's fastest rate _ with record oil revenues and soaring stock markets pushing 300,000 people over the million-dollar mark.

. . .
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on June 20, 2006, 06:27 PM
Good for them.   ::)

Editor's note:  When I use the rolling eyes emoticon, it's meaning is that of sarcasm  - in contrast to some people using it as a "look at the above post" symbol.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2006, 06:29 PM
At least now I know where all my money is going.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on June 20, 2006, 06:29 PM
Well, not all of it. 

There are a lot of fat cats here too!

 :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on June 20, 2006, 08:24 PM
that is true.  there are lots of people here testing where the american discretionary income pool ends.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on June 20, 2006, 08:34 PM
"Well first the dinosaurs came...  But they got fat and lazy and died, then they turned to oil...  Then the arabs came and bought Mercedes Benzes..."
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on June 27, 2006, 11:29 AM
Wow, do you think the upcoming holiday has anything to do with the $.10 increase we witnessed on Sunday?

We're at $2.79.

 :-\

How can the price of oil go up on a Sunday when the markets are closed?

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on June 27, 2006, 07:25 PM
Our gas just went up today, from 99.9 per litre to 107.9. ******* bastards!  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on June 30, 2006, 01:16 AM
Ours went up from $2.75-$2.79 to $2.89 within the span of last night.

Blah.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on July 10, 2006, 01:28 PM
Well, we're at $2.95 here in the Midwest.

Why is that when a car company produces a cheap fuel efficient car you can't seem to find one for sale?

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2006, 02:19 PM
Here's my question... oil hit another record high the other day, something like $75.78 per barrel.

But gas is still a little under 3$.

Is that because Exxon and the rest have decided that $3.00 is the magic number that takes people from being mad, to being furious and asking questions (read: Congress) or are there other factors involved?  It just seems odd that oil is at an all time high, but gas isn't.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on July 10, 2006, 03:21 PM
Things that make you go "hmmm."

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Reid on July 10, 2006, 04:00 PM
Regular is around $3.05 down here in NoVA.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on July 11, 2006, 09:35 AM
It has gone up about a penny a day here from $2.90 now to $3.05 here in New England.  I heard on the news that the Hurricane SEASON is causing prices to rise.  Remind me again- what crucial-to-oil area was hit by a major hurricane this year?

Smoke and mirrors, and fat cats get fatter.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on July 11, 2006, 10:47 AM
Let's hope the gods are nice to us this hurricane season...I'd hate to see what an actual hurricane would do to the gas prices considering "worry and speculation" have driven us past $3.00.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 28, 2006, 11:39 AM
Can someone explain how yesterday's posted record proffits and record high at the pump prices aren't connected? Is it the tax breakes? ???
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on July 28, 2006, 12:36 PM
I can't explain anything related to oil, gas prices and the Middle East - it defies all logic.

The only thing I can tell you is that I'm not one of the guys making money off of this!

 >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on July 28, 2006, 12:47 PM
I can't explain anything related to oil, gas prices and the Middle East - it defies all logic.

The only thing I can tell you is that I'm not one of the guys making money off of this!

 >:(
:) I am...my company has two oil refineries.  Thanks to them alone, we met all corporate profit goals in the 2nd quarter of the year.  And also, because of them, the other divisions in the company (including mine) will be getting large amounts of capital to pump in to make us a better, more efficient operation
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on July 28, 2006, 01:13 PM
Gasoline costs roughly 40% more than it did a year ago.

A barrel of oil costs roughly 20% more than it did a year ago.


Yet Exxon is making $1,318 per second in PROFIT, $79,000 per minute.

BP is making $55,000 per minute.




Hmmm.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on August 1, 2006, 04:29 AM
Our gas just went up today, from 99.9 per litre to 107.9. ******* bastards!  >:(

$1.189/L in Kelowna.  Ouch.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on August 1, 2006, 07:15 AM
Our gas just went up today, from 99.9 per litre to 107.9. ******* bastards!  >:(

$1.189/L in Kelowna.  Ouch.

Welcome to civilization, Jesse! ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on August 7, 2006, 08:53 AM
Jesus - part of the Alaskan pipeline is offline because of "corrosion" and the execs at BP don't know how this will affect gas prices.

I do - they will ****** increase.


Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: mousedroid on August 7, 2006, 09:53 AM
Jesus - part of the Alaskan pipeline is offline because of "corrosion" and the execs at BP don't know how this will affect gas prices.

I heard predictions of an increase in oil prices of up to $10/barrel, which would probably translate to at least a $1/gallon increase in gasoline.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on August 7, 2006, 11:25 AM
I paid $2.86 yesterday for 87 octane.

I am fortunate that I only fill-up my car 2 or 3 times a month, and my wife's truck about twice a month.  I can only imagine for you guys that drive 50+ miles a day.

But at this point, I watch the prices with ironic glee.  There is absolutley nothing we can do about it.  Not while we have a Prez & government supported by the Big Oil executives.  They simply do not care, the very people we "elect" to represent us.

Prices will never go down, b/c Big Oil will never letgo of the record-breaking profits.  They couldn't spend enough right now to even be considered wasteful.  At least we are all contributing to the owners * stockholders great grandchildern's education.

I personally am boycotting Exxon gas ever since I heard that their CEO retired with a 400 million dollar package, or whatever it was.  Doesn't really matter, since all Oil companies are making these record profits.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on August 7, 2006, 12:45 PM
There is absolutley nothing we can do about it.

I don't know if I agree with that statement.  There's a lot we can do to conserve oil and try to keep prices under control.

-Trade in our gas guzzling SUV's and trucks for fuel efficient vehicles - see the new Yaris and Caliber for starters.  In 2008 DaimlerChrysler will be offering the Supercar to the States which averages 60 mpg (but is a death trap on wheels)!

-Carpool when possible.  Traveling to work with two other people reduces the amount of gas used considerably - especially if you factor in large populations.

-Only makes necessary trips.   I try to do this on  the weekends.  We'll get our grocery shopping and all other errands done on one trip vs. multiple trips during the week. 

-Use a bicycle for short trips. 

-Try not to speed.  I can't remember the numbers but for every 5 MPH over 65, your gas mileage goes down considerably (I'm thinking 10%).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on August 7, 2006, 01:19 PM
But at this point, I watch the prices with ironic glee.  There is absolutley nothing we can do about it.  Not while we have a Prez & government supported by the Big Oil executives.  They simply do not care, the very people we "elect" to represent us.

Prices will never go down, b/c Big Oil will never letgo of the record-breaking profits.  They couldn't spend enough right now to even be considered wasteful.  At least we are all contributing to the owners * stockholders great grandchildern's education.

I personally am boycotting Exxon gas ever since I heard that their CEO retired with a 400 million dollar package, or whatever it was.  Doesn't really matter, since all Oil companies are making these record profits.


i think the actual service you receive from the president always declines during a 2nd term.  they really have no incentive to do anything except try to push what ever agendas they have and maybe try to make a name for themselves in the history books.

with no govt intervention, SA is right that gas will not go down significantly.  our best hope for that is a candidate making big promises and maybe coming thru a little bit after the next election.

ironically, i almost always use Exxon because they almost always have the cheapest gas (without having to drive 50 to a flying J or something like that).  i don't mind a guy making some money for running his company well.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on September 3, 2006, 05:01 PM
Gas here has been dropping the past week since we hit $1.14 per litre awhile back. Average is now $09.91 per litre.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on September 4, 2006, 12:17 PM
I'm guessing the recent drop in price is an election ploy. We'll see if it gets mentioned in campaign ads during the next two months.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 4, 2006, 12:35 PM
I saw $2.43 yesterday.  Knock off another .75 or 1.00 then leave it that way and  I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on September 4, 2006, 06:06 PM
hell... if it would just level off at $2/gallon i would be happy.  maybe even stock piling kinda happy.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 4, 2006, 07:28 PM
It's funny because I remember back when it was outrageously high at 1.50, I was wanting it to go back down to 1.00.

Then a few years later when it was at 2.00, I was thinking that I'd be thrilled if it just leveled off at 1.50.

Now that it sat at 3.00 for so long, we're excited about the possibilities of 2.00 gas.


That's how they **** you.  This whole thing is probably just designed to make a ton of money at 3.00 then keep making twice as much money as 8 years ago when it goes 'down' to 2.00 - and we'll be thrilled about it.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: nitro on September 4, 2006, 08:34 PM
Gas prices over here dropped 11 cents today (from $2.89 to $2.78 per gallon)...Just happy to see the prices go down, I travel back and forth for work and gas costs come out of my own pocket. My company won't pay for anything and they don't care if I drive 2-3 hours to a location for them. (they are a fortune 500 company...cheap SOB's)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iFett on September 4, 2006, 09:25 PM
Anybody seeing the drop in fuel prices as a "gift" to us for the time being.  I can see gas shooting up to $4-$5 a gallon easy in the next few years.  I'm no economicist, but these low prices scare me for some reason.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 4, 2006, 11:17 PM
I'm guessing the recent drop in price is an election ploy. We'll see if it gets mentioned in campaign ads during the next two months.

That would be mighty cool, since Dale was talking about Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.  I know the US is important and all, but not that important ;)

Try this for dropping gas prices: weak hurricane season thus far; summer driving season is over and demand has dropped; no abnormal instability in the middle east currently; BP line problem exaggerated as causing shortages. 

You guys complain too much.  At the peak of it all, north of the border we were paying $4.00 USD/gallon.  That's factoring in exchange rates. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 4, 2006, 11:28 PM
Brent, do you happen to know what the difference in percentage of gas cost can be attributed to taxes in Canada vs. in the U.S.?

I know that comparatively, the US still pays less than most places (it was about $4.20 per gallon once you do the math in New Zealand when I was there) but I wonder if it would be more or less skewed if you factor in non-market costs like taxes.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 5, 2006, 12:34 AM
Anybody seeing the drop in fuel prices as a "gift" to us for the time being. 

Enjoy it, because we have a third military conflict coming in about a year's time.  Bush is going to bomb the daylights out of Iran, no chance that he's leaving office with the possibility of them getting a nuclear bomb...


I can see gas shooting up to $4-$5 a gallon easy in the next few years. 

Try $200 a barrel, and $8/gallon on for size once Iran gets hit.

I'm no economicist, but these low prices scare me for some reason.

Low?  4 summers ago I was filling my tank for .99 cents/gallon.  Today I paid $2.99/gallon, and that's a bargain on the year.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 5, 2006, 03:19 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/30/news/economy/gas_prices/index.htm

and

http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/05/news/companies/chevron_gulf/index.htm?cnn=yes
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on September 5, 2006, 03:30 PM
What a guessing game this oil thing is.  Many of us (including myself) were predicting $4 gas by Labor Day.

Who would have guessed that we'd be down $.50 this past weekend?

Are there politics involved?  One would think so considering the upcoming elections and how selective our memories can be!

 :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on September 5, 2006, 05:50 PM
the selective memory thing is funny.  i remember my company offering me a promotion in '99 that required me to commute about 30 miles a day, and considered not taking it because gas had gone up from $.85  to $1.02 and i was worried about gas costs eating up the bulk of my "raise".  now it would feel like i was getting a very large raise if gas would just level off at $2.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2006, 11:47 PM
I saw gas for $2.39 today.

I wonder if this will continue to drop under $2.00 and whether it will be lasting or just another slap in the face when it shoots back up 2 months from now.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2006, 11:57 PM
I saw gas for $2.39 today.

I wonder if this will continue to drop under $2.00 and whether it will be lasting or just another slap in the face when it shoots back up 2 months from now.

Could happen, but in reality, chances are that 1 year from now we're going to have rationing, gas lines, and $8/gallon gas.  I'm not sure why I'm the only one here talking about this.  You guys see what's about to happen, right?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on September 9, 2006, 12:13 AM
I saw it for $2.18 today. I couldn't believe it.

So, yeah, election year ploy. I bet it'll be down to around $2 by early November.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 9, 2006, 10:02 AM


So, yeah, election year ploy. I bet it'll be down to around $2 by early November.

Of course.  As you know, Congress tightly controls the gas prices.

 ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: BillCable on September 9, 2006, 11:07 AM
Could happen, but in reality, chances are that 1 year from now we're going to have rationing, gas lines, and $8/gallon gas.  I'm not sure why I'm the only one here talking about this.  You guys see what's about to happen, right?

That's not going to happen.  If suppliers allowed prices to soar like that they'd be slitting their own throats.  They're fully aware that there are prices the market simply won't bear.  Such high prices would prompt innovations in alternate fuels that would render their product obsolete.  The current prices were not driven by supply or demand, but by idiot speculators playing the futures market worried that the Middle East is going to blow up.  And as such, it's correcting itself.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 9, 2006, 12:07 PM
Could happen, but in reality, chances are that 1 year from now we're going to have rationing, gas lines, and $8/gallon gas.  I'm not sure why I'm the only one here talking about this.  You guys see what's about to happen, right?

That's not going to happen.  If suppliers allowed prices to soar like that they'd be slitting their own throats.  They're fully aware that there are prices the market simply won't bear.  Such high prices would prompt innovations in alternate fuels that would render their product obsolete.  The current prices were not driven by supply or demand, but by idiot speculators playing the futures market worried that the Middle East is going to blow up.  And as such, it's correcting itself.

I agree with you in the sense that they'd be slitting their own threats and prompting fuel innovation, if the price hike were a long term situation.  But it's not gonna be.  It's going to be a 2-3 month thing, like Katrina, but way worse.  Iran's gonna have the daylights bombed out by Israel or Britain/US, cuz Bush ain't leaving office with Ahmadinejad possibly having the A-bomb.  No chance in hell.  Prices will hit the atmosphere for a few months, a bunch of Senate millionaires will march their fat asses before a microphone and say "we must develop alternate fuels," the air raids will end, prices will come back down under $3, and everyone will go back to being fat, dumb, and happy, woofing down cheeseburgers and playing Lotto.  But for those few months in '07, we're gonna get raped at the pump.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on September 9, 2006, 12:14 PM


So, yeah, election year ploy. I bet it'll be down to around $2 by early November.

Of course.  As you know, Congress tightly controls the gas prices.

 ::)

I never said it was Congress.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 9, 2006, 01:28 PM


So, yeah, election year ploy. I bet it'll be down to around $2 by early November.

Of course.  As you know, Congress tightly controls the gas prices.

 ::)

I never said it was Congress.

Nevermind, I know where this is going and there's no point going there.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on September 9, 2006, 02:42 PM
Could happen, but in reality, chances are that 1 year from now we're going to have rationing, gas lines, and $8/gallon gas.  I'm not sure why I'm the only one here talking about this.  You guys see what's about to happen, right?

That's not going to happen.  If suppliers allowed prices to soar like that they'd be slitting their own throats.  They're fully aware that there are prices the market simply won't bear.  Such high prices would prompt innovations in alternate fuels that would render their product obsolete. 

i was going to say essentially the same thing.   oil is only still a big commodity because of its convenience.  if the price goes too high they will betamax themselves.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 9, 2006, 03:17 PM
Could happen, but in reality, chances are that 1 year from now we're going to have rationing, gas lines, and $8/gallon gas.  I'm not sure why I'm the only one here talking about this.  You guys see what's about to happen, right?

That's not going to happen.  If suppliers allowed prices to soar like that they'd be slitting their own throats.  They're fully aware that there are prices the market simply won't bear.  Such high prices would prompt innovations in alternate fuels that would render their product obsolete. 

i was going to say essentially the same thing.   oil is only still a big commodity because of its convenience.  if the price goes too high they will betamax themselves.

Again, they can charge whatever they want in the short term.  It takes years to develop alternative energy.  And just because a few weeks into the exorbitant prices a bunch of millionaire politicans who don't care anyway walk to the mic and say they're going to endorse alternative energy, prices will drop again before that ever gets started, and once oil is affordable again, that always puts the kibash on any kind of talk about developing alternative sources.

I think we're going to see a period in mid to late 2007 of gas prices that are triple what we are paying now, during the inevitable confrontation w/ Iran.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on September 9, 2006, 03:39 PM
i work as an electrician and we already have guys refusing to drive to sites that are too far from their houses.  i think $3/gallon is already pretty close to the max that people can afford gas to be.  i could see a short term spike to $5, but even that would have pretty much everyone re-thinking driving habits and even lifestyles.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 9, 2006, 03:49 PM
I don't know if it's a consistent direct relationship between the price of oil per barrel and the price of gas per gallon, but I'm basically thinking that at $75 a barrel, it's $3/gallon.  That seems to be $1/gallon for every $25 a barrel costs.

Now, a lot of the talking heads are saying that by the middle to end of next year when Ahmadinejad gets what's been coming to him, the price of oil per barrel could spike to $200/barrel.  That translates to $8/gallon gas.

If it only goes to $5, I'll be very happy.  I'll also rethink my driving habits, sure. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on September 9, 2006, 04:41 PM
Gas has gone from $3.01 a week ago to $2.39 today as well, some stores here are still 20 cents higher than others because they are two days behind the drops
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 9, 2006, 05:07 PM
I don't know if it's a consistent direct relationship between the price of oil per barrel and the price of gas per gallon, but I'm basically thinking that at $75 a barrel, it's $3/gallon.  That seems to be $1/gallon for every $25 a barrel costs.


I doubt it's quite that exact... we had record prices all summer on the cost of a barrel of oil - but we had higher gas prices last summer after Katrina.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on September 9, 2006, 06:44 PM
(http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/primer_on_gasoline_prices/html/Images/pump.gif)

Refining costs will continue to eat a larger percentage as natural gas and electrical costs continue to go up...but the above shows the many different factors involved in price hikes, be it refining shortages ala Katrina or Crude Oil Price ala this last year
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 10, 2006, 03:42 AM


Try this for dropping gas prices: weak hurricane season thus far; summer driving season is over and demand has dropped; no abnormal instability in the middle east currently; BP line problem exaggerated as causing shortages. 


As Scott said.....


And no Rob, off the top of my head I don't know the price portion attributable to tax, I'll try and find it.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 20, 2006, 12:14 PM
Our gas here in the desert is now 2.79$ (Cal gas tax .38 a gallon)

It has gone down almost .50 in a month. I was reading on some news sites today that alot of 'experts' are saying it's not entirely impossible to have gas around 1$ a gallon again within a couple years ::). 'They' also claim it's contingent on middle east stability ::).

Myself, I expect it to go down to 2.20$ for a reason I'm not allowed to mention here and other reasons including reduced post summer demand, alternative transportation/fuels uses, a projected warmer winter(less heating fuels demanded) then shoot back up to 3.40$ by May. We'll see..I wanna be wrong and see the prices stay down but..let's be realistic, we're been acclimatized to higher and higher average prices per year.

The DS
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 20, 2006, 03:01 PM


Myself, I expect it to go down to 2.20$ for a reason I'm not allowed to mention here

Oh man, you too?

 :-X  :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: name on September 20, 2006, 03:05 PM



Myself, I expect it to go down to 2.20$ for a reason I'm not allowed to mention here



Gnomes.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on September 20, 2006, 05:24 PM
Jim Ward.

$2.13 here BTW.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 20, 2006, 06:00 PM
I heard in some places in the midwest it was already under 2 dollars :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on September 20, 2006, 06:05 PM
wow... texas is usually one of the lower states and i have seen no lower than $2.13.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 20, 2006, 06:18 PM
Yes, I remember when I lived there that in 1995 it got down to .88 cents in Sweetwater. It always seemed way lower there than my relatives in other states.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 20, 2006, 06:54 PM
wow... texas is usually one of the lower states and i have seen no lower than $2.13.

Around Dallas the best I've seen is 2.23 - but most places are still around 2.35 or 2.40
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ben on September 21, 2006, 01:46 AM
Jim Ward.

That was my next guess after Dressel Rebel told me I was wrong.  :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on September 21, 2006, 11:27 AM
I paid $2.12 this morning
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on September 23, 2006, 05:14 PM
wow... texas is usually one of the lower states and i have seen no lower than $2.13.

Around Dallas the best I've seen is 2.23 - but most places are still around 2.35 or 2.40

i live in denton, and gas is usually about a dime cheaper up here in big sky country.   the lowest i have seen now is $2.08.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Vator on September 23, 2006, 05:45 PM
$1.94 has been seen in the Southern Appalachins. Huzzah!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on September 24, 2006, 08:33 PM
I think dropping a full dollar in a month is a little more that a seasonal thing, even after adjusting for inflation.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jedi Idej on September 24, 2006, 08:44 PM
The cheapest I've seen here in the SF Bay Area is $2.63. Some places still have it in the high $2.70s.

I heard on the news last week some OPEC minister or official from one of the oil countries said they would cut production if prices fall too low. I have no idea what that level is but it sure doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: BillCable on September 24, 2006, 08:46 PM
I think dropping a full dollar in a month is a little more that a seasonal thing, even after adjusting for inflation.

Yeah... obviously Big Oil is giving their Republican a hand for the November elections.   ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: tonphanan on September 24, 2006, 11:18 PM
We're paying between 2.50 and 2.60 in Colorado Springs. We dropped about .30 in the last 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on September 25, 2006, 01:20 AM
In the suburban Twin Cities it's mainly between $2.12 and $2.19, although I saw $2.10 at a couple of places tonight. I also heard a rumor that it was below $2.00 in Hastings, about a half-hour outside the Cities--which is odd because everywhere else here the price goes up the farther you get from the core.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on September 25, 2006, 09:37 AM
We're still above $2.70. Even with our higher CA taxes, that's a big difference.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 25, 2006, 10:20 AM
I've seen as low as 2.15 so far.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on September 25, 2006, 01:27 PM
I think dropping a full dollar in a month is a little more that a seasonal thing, even after adjusting for inflation.

It's dropped by about that much in Canada as well , and we produce our own for the most part, so does this mean I get to vote in your elections this fall?

But you're right, it's more than seasonal.  Factor in the lack of last year's catastrophe's in the Gulf's oil producing regions and you probably have your explanation.  Don't look at the prices from fall 2005, look at them from fall 2004 and see what the difference was at that point.  Maybe it's not that they are unreasonably low now, maybe it's that they were unreasonably high for the last 12 months.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on September 25, 2006, 04:52 PM
OPEC Considers Cutting Production (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7ef0bb92-4cc8-11db-b03c-0000779e2340.html)

Why not maximize your output?

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on September 25, 2006, 06:13 PM
Because if they cut production prices go back up and they're a greedy multinational oil cartel.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jadesfire on September 26, 2006, 08:30 PM
$1.99 at Exxon today.... 8)  I never thought I'd see a number 1 in the far left side of the sign again.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: name on September 26, 2006, 11:09 PM
I never thought I'd be envious of someone paying 1.99 for gas.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 28, 2006, 10:40 AM
Just read an Associated Press (http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt_top.jsp?news_id=ap-d8lkf8a80&) article which talks about price fixing. It refers back the the topic of the radio interview I had heard years ago (the inexplicable closing of the refinery in Bakersfield, CA) where the oil rep defending the closure all but admitted, accidently, that the rise in oil prices was because they can, not because they have to.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on November 28, 2006, 10:50 AM
I can't say I'm surprised, but with a captive market you can pretty much do what you want. 

I heard a comment the other day that oil prices, per barrel, are as low as they've been in the last year, yet we're still at $0.90 a liter up here.  Prices have not decreased since September.  The media, who are always quick to crow about an increase in the price per barrel, have been remarkably silent about the price of late, simply because good news is not news.  Without that media presence, the gas price won't go down (and I suspect wouldn't climb as high either).  Ah well, hopefully we've all sold our stocks in August and will re-purchase them in March. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on November 28, 2006, 11:55 AM
The one interesting thing that I've noticed is that gas prices have gone up a little bit since the election.  Hmmm, coincidence?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on November 28, 2006, 12:33 PM
The one interesting thing that I've noticed is that gas prices have gone up a little bit since the election.  Hmmm, coincidence?

They've gone up - but the price of a barrel of oil hit a 5 year low.

I'm not going to say that oil execs were trying to help incumbents - but it certainly is one more circumstantial piece of evidence pointing to price-fixing.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on November 28, 2006, 01:25 PM
The one interesting thing that I've noticed is that gas prices have gone up a little bit since the election. Hmmm, coincidence?

Most likely.  I don't know how certain parties can control the price of a commodity that is traded worldwide.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on November 28, 2006, 02:38 PM
Hypothetically, if something was up with this, it wouldn't be the parties doing it - it would be the people who could affect the prices, doing so to help the party they prefer.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on November 28, 2006, 02:51 PM
I should have been more specific - I did not mean political parties. 

I still don't see how corporations/special interest groups can have an affect on the price of a commodity that is traded worldwide for political gain. 

Makes for great storytelling, but it can't be easy to do in the real world...just my opinion, I have no ties to corporations or Abramhoff so I can't speak with much expertise on the matter - it just doesn't make sense to me.





Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 28, 2006, 04:53 PM
$2.43 in NY
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2006, 06:13 PM
It's weird around Pitt right now...  Some places, seemingly places that know they've got you by the balls because there's few other stations around them, jacked their prices from $2.19-ish up to $2.25 one night...  Now some of those are up to $2.29 (just when I wanted to fill up ::) ). 

Yet others are at $2.19 yet, mostly where the competition is thicker, and one chain which usually is good about prices anyway is $2.17.  I think things seem fishy myself, but it is what it is...  I really hoped we'd see it under $2 though.  :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 29, 2006, 10:23 AM
The one interesting thing that I've noticed is that gas prices have gone up a little bit since the election. Hmmm, coincidence?

Most likely.  I don't know how certain parties can control the price of a commodity that is traded worldwide.

 

I still don't see how corporations/special interest groups can have an affect on the price of a commodity that is traded worldwide for political gain. 


It's not that hard. In fact, the article I linked to gives a clue to one way in which it's done. Take a viable crop and purposefully not cultivate, or in this case drill, and you create an artificial shortage. The Diamond industry controls the price of their commodity in their sleep by hoarding 70% of the world supply.

As for the price going up after the election, I'm the first person in line to say that the price increase over the last few years is BS, but even I have to concede that there are certain patterns which must be maintained, such as standard price increases for the coming holiday season.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: tonphanan on December 2, 2006, 03:57 PM
jumped from 2.09 to 2.15 colorado springs
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on December 2, 2006, 04:36 PM
$2.31
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on January 9, 2007, 05:30 PM
Oil continues to drop - now to an 18 month low.

But gas prices are holding steady around 2.20, a full .20 more than they were 4 or 5 months ago, when oil cost about 6 or 7 dollars per barrel more.

What's the deal?!

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?section=news&feed=ap&src=601&news_id=ap-d8mhq4300&date=20070109
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 9, 2007, 05:42 PM
2.18 in Cincy
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on January 9, 2007, 05:55 PM
gas was $2.07 today in mighty Denton TX.  i guess the holiday traveling season is officially over.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on January 9, 2007, 06:18 PM
Of course I forgot that OPEC has been cutting production - by 1.7 million per day.

That explains the price not dropping very far - greedy OPEC wanting to keep their bottom line up.



Have we found an alternative energy yet??   :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: P-Siddy on January 9, 2007, 06:39 PM
Was $2.03 this morning, now $1.99!!!  :o

This is in the Twin Cities.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: EdSolo on January 10, 2007, 07:19 AM
Oil continues to drop - now to an 18 month low.

But gas prices are holding steady around 2.20, a full .20 more than they were 4 or 5 months ago, when oil cost about 6 or 7 dollars per barrel more.

What's the deal?!

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?section=news&feed=ap&src=601&news_id=ap-d8mhq4300&date=20070109

Wouldn't it be actually nice if it worked the way it should?  Raw materia prices drop, and end product prices drop, but I'm still stuck at the $2.25 to $2.40 price point in Delaware.  I think the gas companies have been cut way too many breaks and are getting away with charging whatever they want.  Oil prices drop by dollars a barrel and gas prices stay virtually unchanged.  However, if the oil prices go up a nickel, gas prices go up two dimes.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 10, 2007, 06:55 PM
 ;D Now 2.14 in cincy
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: P-Siddy on January 10, 2007, 07:15 PM
$1.97 in the Twin Cities!!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 10, 2007, 08:00 PM
Last time I gased up, it was still $2.50 here in LA.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: name on January 10, 2007, 08:35 PM
2.13 here
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on January 11, 2007, 07:09 PM
Below 52$ per barrel.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/11/D8MJBHM03.html
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 11, 2007, 10:37 PM
 :o Wow!2.05 of course I had A .50 per gallon coupon which made it 1.55 WOOHOO!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: David on January 11, 2007, 10:42 PM
at the arco a block from my house, its $2.37.

welcome to the CA bay area!  :P  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: name on January 12, 2007, 08:57 AM
down to 2.09
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2007, 10:03 AM
Was $2.03 this morning, now $1.99!!!  :o

This is in the Twin Cities.

Shocked me to see the pumps hit $1.999.  I filled up the other day as soon as I saw it below $2 and then I stopped this AM and topped off again in case it goes back up over the weekend now that the cold is here...  :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: P-Siddy on January 12, 2007, 09:51 PM
Down to $1.93 now. I didn't think I'd ever see that again.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on January 12, 2007, 10:22 PM
I was on the phone with my dad earlier this evening and he reported seeing $1.89 (in Twin Cities). Insane!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 12, 2007, 11:37 PM
 :o :o :o :o 1.99 another sign the apocolypse is here? :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: David on January 13, 2007, 01:15 PM
:o :o :o :o 1.99 another sign the apocolypse is here? :P

it just may be...  :o
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on January 13, 2007, 01:22 PM
$1.97 in Iowa.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on January 14, 2007, 02:26 AM
I was on the phone with my dad earlier this evening and he reported seeing $1.89 (in Twin Cities). Insane!

I have now seen it with my own eyes! Ludicrous I tell you!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 14, 2007, 10:03 AM
1.95 can you believe it? ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: jadesfire on January 14, 2007, 05:33 PM
Filled the truck up at $1.98  :D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on January 14, 2007, 06:17 PM
I've seen $1.87 a couple of places...

I remember reading somewhere there is an addage in the oil industry "Up like a rocket and down like a feather", which means while prices are quick to go up based on  crude prices, they always slow in coming down based on same crude prices. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on January 14, 2007, 06:26 PM
Gas here was sitting at 84.4 per litre then just before the Christmas holidays it jumps to 89.9. Now we are at 80.9, slowly it drops.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on January 16, 2007, 04:26 AM
Gas here was sitting at 84.4 per litre then just before the Christmas holidays it jumps to 89.9. Now we are at 80.9, slowly it drops.

80.9?  Wow.  We're still at 94.9.  Why do you damn Albertans share some of that oil?  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on January 16, 2007, 07:19 AM
We're still at 2.25 here ???
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 16, 2007, 05:09 PM
 ;D 1.92  :o
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on January 16, 2007, 05:22 PM
Gas here was sitting at 84.4 per litre then just before the Christmas holidays it jumps to 89.9. Now we are at 80.9, slowly it drops.

80.9?  Wow.  We're still at 94.9.  Why do you damn Albertans share some of that oil?  >:(

We're at 90.9 Jesse and that's after them jacking it up for Christmas.  Forget the feather analogy.  Dropping oil prices isn't news to the media, so there's no pressure for prices to go down and the companies in Canada sure as hell aren't dropping it without negative attention because the sheep are too damn stupid. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on January 16, 2007, 05:28 PM
Depending where go to fill up, you can find 80.4 to 78.9 here.  :o
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on January 16, 2007, 07:01 PM
Depending where go to fill up, you can find 80.4 to 78.9 here.  :o

Can you mail me some gas at cost? Or is that illegal? I'd pay.  :P It's 2.34 here.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on January 16, 2007, 07:27 PM
He's talking per liter; four liters per gallon so about $3.20 CAD per US gallon.  Still about $2.72 per US gallon in US dollars.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 16, 2007, 10:59 PM
Well here in Cincy we have grocery chain that sells fuel as well they have customer rewards program .10 off a gallon .15 off their credit card rewards program 1.92reg=1.82or1.75 with the customer rewards prog. the other
grocery chain if you spend 50.00 you get .50 off spend 100.00 get a 1.00 off per gallon=1.42 or .92 under a buck :o :o limit to ten gallons ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on January 17, 2007, 12:01 AM
He's talking per liter; four liters per gallon so about $3.20 CAD per US gallon.  Still about $2.72 per US gallon in US dollars.

I know, I just figured by the time it got here, it'd be up high again, so it would be a bargain. :)

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on January 17, 2007, 12:39 PM
Well here in Cincy we have grocery chain that sells fuel as well they have customer rewards program .10 off a gallon .15 off their credit card rewards program 1.92reg=1.82or1.75 with the customer rewards prog. the other
grocery chain if you spend 50.00 you get .50 off spend 100.00 get a 1.00 off per gallon=1.42 or .92 under a buck :o :o limit to ten gallons ;)

Punctuation is your friend. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 17, 2007, 01:02 PM
 :-[Sorry.my thoughts are ahead of my fingers.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on January 17, 2007, 02:03 PM
No sweat - it's really for everyone's benefit - it makes comprehending members' thoughts and opinions a lot easier!


Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on January 18, 2007, 04:06 PM
Below 50$ per barrel

http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/18/markets/eia_oil/index.htm?cnn=yes
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on January 18, 2007, 05:28 PM
OPEC announcement soon to follow - cuts in production inevitable.

 ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on January 18, 2007, 07:23 PM
Unreal the prices up here, we are at average 78.9 per litre & 1 station in the city is at 75.9. I heard on the radio on the way to work this morning that Toronto is at 67.1 per litre for the lowest.  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 18, 2007, 09:48 PM
 :o A cool 1.91. ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ghost of QG on January 19, 2007, 01:13 AM
$1.89 in KC !! Keep on goin' down!!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on January 19, 2007, 02:02 AM
The "excuse" around PIttsburgh that we're still at $2.29 at best, is that the gas was bought months ago so they're charging what they charge so they don't lose out...  Hmmm, I guess every time the gas went up $.10 a day though it was because they got new gas shipments in daily? :)  Yeeeaaahhhh...  riiiightttt... 

Buncha jerkoffs.

I've got to fill up here but I'm reluctant to.  I'm thinking $5 is all I'm gonna put in right now till we get below $2...  It should happen soon I'm thinking since other areas surrounding Pitt seem to be dipping lower.  I just know when I fill up at $2.29 that's the day I drive past and it's $1.99 and I'm pissed.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 19, 2007, 03:54 PM
 ;)1.87 Wow!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on January 19, 2007, 05:06 PM
Just outside our city, a station at Sherwood Park was spotted with 73.9 per litre.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanpaul on January 20, 2007, 09:38 PM
Salt Lake City is still at $2.04, they must have bought it a couple of months ago and then resold it with a markup to Jesse's station.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 20, 2007, 10:24 PM
 ;) I don't believe it 1.82
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: tonphanan on January 21, 2007, 02:08 PM
Colorado Springs 2.02-2.13 depends what part of town your on.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ghost of QG on January 22, 2007, 02:23 AM
KC is down to $1.80 tonight.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dr. Zoltar on January 23, 2007, 03:01 PM
I envy you all!  It's still $2.59 where I live.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2007, 06:06 PM
I haven't seen anything less than 1.99 in Dallas.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on January 23, 2007, 10:20 PM
 ;) 1.81
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on January 24, 2007, 12:51 AM
Pittsburgh has one of the lowest cost of living rates in the country I believe, at least for a mid-size city, and we're still at $2.20-$2.25 a gallon...  It's really pissing me off.  Fortunately I am doing less driving right now during the week but I mean holy **** this is getting really annoying.  >:(  Watching other regions around me, and we're just seemingly getting hosed...  I mean you can go right across the border into Ohio and get it for under $2 a gallon right now...  WTF?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 24, 2007, 03:35 PM
The Democratic controlled Congress is introducing legislation to reinstate the national 0.15 cent/gallon gas tax.  President Bush is likely to veto this for the next 2 years though, thank goodness.  Gas is high enough and it's a pretty hair-brained scheme to think the tax is going to change consumption, it's just gonna take more money out of our wallets.

I'll be quiet now, just thought that this was relevant to gas prices.

Watching other regions around me, and we're just seemingly getting hosed...  I mean you can go right across the border into Ohio and get it for under $2 a gallon right now...  WTF?

2.43 in NY
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Scott on January 24, 2007, 03:40 PM
Part of what you see in PA or NY may be your state's gas tax over another state's tax

http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on February 1, 2007, 10:12 AM
Exxon broke it's own profit record!

http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/01/news/companies/exxonmobil/index.htm?cnn=yes

Hooray!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on February 1, 2007, 05:26 PM
And on that note, gas around here shot up $.10 in less than 24 hours - funny how it takes two weeks to go down a dime....

 :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on February 1, 2007, 05:36 PM
Prices are starting to dip below the $2 mark in NJ again.  But just barely.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: King_Maul on February 1, 2007, 06:41 PM
Just filled up at Costco a couple of days ago for $2.31/gallon (87 unleaded).  That's the lowest I think I've paid in a while in LA area.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Kenobi on February 1, 2007, 10:01 PM
This morning I saw a gas at the pump at a great $.046 a gallon. 







Of course it was a error in the display and I had to catch a train so I had no time to complain to see if they would honor the display price.  The actual price was $2.46 a gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on February 1, 2007, 11:34 PM
And on that note, gas around here shot up $.10 in less than 24 hours - funny how it takes two weeks to go down a dime....

 :-\

Bounced up here by $0.16 a gallon  :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on February 2, 2007, 10:41 PM
 :P 2.28 Them really low gas prices have gotten me spoiled :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on February 2, 2007, 10:44 PM
And on that note, gas around here shot up $.10 in less than 24 hours - funny how it takes two weeks to go down a dime....

 :-\

Bounced up here by $0.16 a gallon  :-\

Yeah, from 74.9 per litre to 84.9 per litre here.  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on February 2, 2007, 11:12 PM
Last night I filled for $1.95 a gallon.  It's a little better than where prices have been, but it's still a ridiculous price for gasoline.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on February 22, 2007, 04:24 PM
Gas went up today from 84.4 to 92.9 per litre.  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on February 22, 2007, 05:20 PM
 :P Back up to 2.36 :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Madcow on February 22, 2007, 05:35 PM
Last night I filled for $1.95 a gallon.  It's a little better than where prices have been, but it's still a ridiculous price for gasoline.

Wow Nick, where'd you find it for that? The lowest i've seen around these parts is $2.03...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: King_Maul on March 2, 2007, 09:05 PM
WTFreak!  I just filled up and paid way too much.  Regular was $2.83/gallon.  91 Octane was $3.03/gallon.  Sigh, here we go again upity up!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on March 2, 2007, 09:09 PM
We dropped to 88.9 per litre since my last post & now 96.9 per litre. Basturds!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on March 2, 2007, 09:22 PM
Same here -- we had a big jump to 2.49 for regular.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on March 2, 2007, 10:23 PM
We're hovering around the $2.70's here in So Cal. :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on March 3, 2007, 08:48 AM
 :P 2.43 up .22 from last week
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 4, 2007, 09:55 AM
Creepin' on up, $2.62 in NY
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on March 4, 2007, 10:55 AM
Creepin' on up, $2.62 in NY

$2.69 up towards Albany.

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: CaptainYoda on March 5, 2007, 04:24 PM
We are up over $2.75 here in the OC.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on March 5, 2007, 04:38 PM
 ;) Went down A whopping .2 cents  :P Big Deal!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Matt on March 5, 2007, 04:53 PM
We are up over $2.75 here in the OC.

Around $2.37 a gallon here in the other OC.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on March 5, 2007, 10:28 PM
Got 2.20$ here in San Antonio ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on March 5, 2007, 11:36 PM
Got 2.20$ here in San Antonio ;)

Why are you winking? Did you have to hump some one's leg to get it that low?

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on March 6, 2007, 09:54 AM
Got 2.20$ here in San Antonio ;)

Why are you winking? Did you have to hump some one's leg to get it that low?

Kevin

Jon's from out here around LA. I think he's jumping for joy to see prices so low. :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on March 6, 2007, 03:31 PM
 >:(you would think that if the gas is going down by the barrel that the price would go down too! :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on March 6, 2007, 07:16 PM
Applying logic to anything within the oil industry isn't a good idea.  You'll get a nose bleed.

It's anywhere from $2.49 to $2.59 around Pittsburgh as far as I've seen.

My favorite defiance of logic is from when prices were going down...  Some stations wouldn't put their prices down quickly citing the gas they had in their subtanks, they had paid such and such for it, and thus they had to charge the prices they did...  But as soon as prices started to go back up, they're all quick to match each other price-wise, watching it jump price twice sometimes in the same day.  There's just not one iota of sense you can make of that other than the guys running the stations were 100% full of ****. :)  They're always the first to cry that the prices hurt them too...  wah.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on March 6, 2007, 09:20 PM
I think we need to distill our own.Pure moonshine ;)All Octane!WooHoo!Get drunk off the fumes! ;D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: King_Maul on March 17, 2007, 04:30 PM
All I say is OOC (Out of Control)!  I just filled up at $3.06 for regular!  I've seen some places here in the LA area where it's even higher.  I just came back from Phoenix, AZ, and the gas prices are $0.40 lower per gallon.  There's got to be some gouging going around here.  What's the deal?  I haven't heard much rumbling about gas prices either, so have most of us, just gotten use to it?  I guess it's just fact that prices are going to steadily rise and stay high.   :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: MetalJedi on March 17, 2007, 04:44 PM
I have to agree with the out of control statement.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: MaxWedge on March 18, 2007, 04:35 AM
I've seen some places here in the LA area where it's even higher.  I just came back from Phoenix, AZ, and the gas prices are $0.40 lower per gallon.  There's got to be some gouging going around here.  What's the deal?

Well, it doesn't explain the whole 40 cents, but over half of it is due to Arizona's lower taxes (see chart) (http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/upload/2006_141_GAS_MAP_OCT2006.pdf).  Maybe the rest is the cost of the special CA blend :).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on March 18, 2007, 05:16 AM
All I say is OOC (Out of Control)!  I just filled up at $3.06 for regular!  I've seen some places here in the LA area where it's even higher...

Heck, $3.06 is pretty good now, King!  I drove all over the Valley in L.A. today for a good 5 hours, and the best I saw was $3.05.  Most places were in the $3.15 - $3.35 range.  Even last weekend when I went up and down the Ventura/Oxnard area, the cheapest I saw was $3.05, and Oxnard is ghetto and should be cheap(er).  It's gone up nearly a buck now in just the past month and a half around here.  I recall filling up for "dirt cheap" in late January for about $2.35, at our favorite stop off the 5 fwy.  Criminals...

And yeah, it's always annoying when I cruise out to Scottsdale to visit the folks, and see the AZ prices a good $.30 - $.50 cheaper per gallon than us here in CA.  Of course, we've got some extra environmental taxes added into our prices, since there's (supposedly) special environmental additives added into the gas in California.  ::)

...(see chart) (http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/upload/2006_141_GAS_MAP_OCT2006.pdf).

Ah, yes.  Max's chart illustrates exactly that, or at least 21 cents of it.  Surprising to see a couple states back east even a little higher than us on the taxes, though their net cost per gallon is still lower.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on March 18, 2007, 09:28 PM
 :o :o Whoa! I'm not complaing about our gas prices a cool 2.32
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on March 18, 2007, 10:05 PM
I paid $2.39 the last two times I filled up.

I'm sure it will climb its way to $3.00 (national) then Congress will start making noise, then it will drop back down to $2.00 and on and on.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on March 23, 2007, 06:19 PM
Finally an excuse to raise prices!

Oil prices leap on Gulf incident (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6485529.stm)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 23, 2007, 06:48 PM
The Iranians taking 15 British Marines hostage is gonna cost me upwards of $2.71 at the pump for the foreseeable future.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on March 23, 2007, 10:26 PM
 ::) oh Brother! They would use a drop of a kleenex as an excuse to raise the prices :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 9, 2007, 05:52 PM
Hooray for the end of the hostage crisis...

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/09/markets/oil/index.htm?cnn=yes

A few weeks from now we'll be back around $2.30.   ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on April 9, 2007, 08:52 PM
 :P Still 2.74 here >:( :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: tonphanan on April 9, 2007, 11:24 PM
Daylight savings is to blame for the gas hike. More daylight is causing more people to be out which causes more demand. At least that what my local news just reported.

So here's the theory: Soilders in Iraq+Iran taking Brits Hostage+daylight savings-groundhog not seeing its shadow+local gas tax=2.69 for regular unleaded.

For those that are paying $3+ for gas has your gallon of Milk price also reached $3?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on April 10, 2007, 12:12 AM
This weekend it was $2.59 - 2.70 in MN. Could be worse. Could be a lot worse.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 10, 2007, 12:12 AM
3$ a gallon milk?

I pay about $3.50 for a half gallon.

Damned organics!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on April 10, 2007, 07:15 AM
$2.78 yesterday
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: evenflow on April 10, 2007, 09:57 AM
I am spending at least 100.00 a week in gas to just get to and from work. Its out of hand.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 10, 2007, 10:51 AM
Yikes.  That's the point at which I'd move or start taking the bus.

My girlfriend and I fill up once a week and I constantly feel like it's too frequent.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: evenflow on April 10, 2007, 12:20 PM
Yikes.  That's the point at which I'd move or start taking the bus.


If that was only an option. I am traveling from populated NJ to middle of no where NJ. My girlfriend has it just as bad if not worse. She works right by my house and travels in from Brooklyn. Not only is she paying for gas but about 18.00 round trip in addition each day for tolls. Luckily it helps i am so close so she can stay over at my place most of the time, but we are both wroking just to basically get to work.  ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on April 10, 2007, 10:23 PM
3$ a gallon milk?

I pay about $3.50 for a half gallon.

Damned organics!

No ****, can't get me to buy stuff from animals that don't get taken care of ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on April 11, 2007, 03:36 PM
2.65 for gas 2.89 for milk :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on April 11, 2007, 04:47 PM
Gas went up from 95.0 a litre to 103.5 a litre. Bastards!  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: tonphanan on April 11, 2007, 10:43 PM
Day must have gotten longer or a bird must have farted causing more global warming because gas jumped 10 cents today. New price 2.79. Milk is about 2.99 unless you have a Safeway card than it is 2.50.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 12, 2007, 09:50 AM
Yeah, gas goes up even though oil is trading down.

 ???

Logic does not apply in this industry.  But you already knew that.



Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 12, 2007, 04:51 PM
I got $3.21
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: King_Maul on April 13, 2007, 06:12 PM
I got $3.39  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iFett on April 13, 2007, 06:14 PM
$2.78 + a $7 carwash since it won't rain/snow for at least a week  :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediJman on April 14, 2007, 10:10 AM
I got $3.39  >:(

Ouch.  Where at?  Lowest I could find in Minneapolis today was $2.74.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: King_Maul on April 14, 2007, 10:22 AM
I got $3.39  >:(

Ouch.  Where at?  Lowest I could find in Minneapolis today was $2.74.

San Gabriel, CA - Union 76
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 14, 2007, 03:36 PM
$2.69

About six weeks ago we were at $1.90.


Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on April 14, 2007, 06:19 PM
We jumped to $2.89
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on April 14, 2007, 09:54 PM
2.85 :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2007, 03:45 PM
$4.00 per gallon coming to a pump near you:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=news&sid=afOlUzd30YOo
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on April 23, 2007, 03:58 PM
I'll take any bets anyone wants to lay that we'll hit $6.00 CAD ($5.10 USD) or $1.50 a liter up here in Canada before the July long weekend.  I don't think we'll break $1.60/L but it'll be close. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 23, 2007, 06:07 PM
I'll bet it goes down 10 cents in the next 2 weeks
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Famine on April 23, 2007, 08:18 PM
I'll bet it goes down 10 cents in the next 2 weeks

I'll bite, what makes you say this?

Kevin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on April 23, 2007, 10:00 PM
2.52 in Cincy :o
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2007, 10:45 PM
I'll bet it goes down 10 cents in the next 2 weeks

I'll bite, what makes you say this?

Kevin

Stubbornness would be my guess.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 23, 2007, 11:12 PM
I'll bet it goes down 10 cents in the next 2 weeks

I'll bite, what makes you say this?

Kevin

Stubbornness would be my guess.

Actually no, I just thought it sounded good..and, if I really wanted to believe in it like a yellow brick road it might come true :P

--DS
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: tonphanan on April 26, 2007, 09:01 PM
2.89-2.95 Going to need to figure out how long it would take me to walk to work once it hits the $3 mark.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 27, 2007, 12:52 PM
Ew boy, $3.09 in NY
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on April 27, 2007, 10:36 PM
2.79 in Cincy
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: David on April 29, 2007, 11:25 AM
$3.29 in SJ.  :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on April 29, 2007, 09:08 PM
2.95-2.89 Wide-area around Cincy :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: efranks on April 30, 2007, 03:10 AM
$4.00 a gallon any day now.... (http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2007-04-29-okla-fire_N.htm)

   E...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: evenflow on April 30, 2007, 11:38 AM
Things are just getting worse here. I canbarely afford getting to work.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: efranks on April 30, 2007, 11:40 AM
One of the gas stations I passed on the way in to work this morning was $3.09, 3.18, 3:30.

I think I need to move back to Pennsylvania.

   E...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on April 30, 2007, 12:33 PM
What was it, six weeks ago when gas was cheap? 

I remember paying $1.90 around these parts.  Now it's $2.90 - I can only assume that a 50% increase in price means a 50% increase in the number of people driving?

Yeah, right.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: blimpyboy on April 30, 2007, 03:09 PM
I don't know about that, but here in Virginia it was about $2.59 six weeks ago, and now it's about $2.89.  It's going up, but not as drastically as where you are.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: EdSolo on May 1, 2007, 07:09 AM
The highest I've seen in Delaware was $3.09 this morning.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on May 1, 2007, 07:53 PM
Gas went up today, $108.5 per litre. *******!  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ryan on May 1, 2007, 10:24 PM
I paid $3.04 a gallon the other day. My ass still hurts.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: tonphanan on May 4, 2007, 09:59 PM
3.09,3.09...It 2.99 on Monday!!
Time to break out the shoes(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sport/sport-smiley-009.gif)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on May 4, 2007, 11:51 PM
 :-\ 3.17-3.19
take your pick it's still too high :P :( >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on May 7, 2007, 02:51 PM
Get Ready for $4.00 Gas (http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news/economy/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on May 7, 2007, 03:44 PM
 ::) Dropped to 2.07 Imagine that! Now the weekend is over :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on May 7, 2007, 04:21 PM
I said this last year and nobody had much of a comment.  If there were more refinaries in the US, the price of gas would not be so expensive.  But environmental groups bitch up a storm so I guess they enjoy paying the higher prices.

I don't like the idea of hurting the environment either, but some concessions have to be made.  I won't get up on my global warming soap box today.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 8, 2007, 01:59 PM
Yeah, it's funny.  This year the excuse is on the production end of the spectrum where as last year it was on the 'supply' side.

It's a slippery slope - the best remedy is to drive less, increase access to alternative fuels (starting with E85) and maxmizing fuel economy.

Speaking of E85, have I got a story for you in regards to corporate mandates...

Quote
PUMP GAMES
Fill Up With Ethanol?
One Obstacle Is Big Oil
Rules Keep a Key Fuel
Out of Some Stations;
Car Makers Push Back

By LAURA MECKLER
April 2, 2007; Page A1
President Bush, domestic auto makers, farmers and others tout ethanol as a home-grown alternative to imported oil. Across the Midwest, plants that make the fuel out of corn are multiplying at a torrid pace. Yet so far, only a tiny fraction of U.S. service stations let a driver fill up with ethanol. There are a number of reasons, but one big one is resistance from oil companies.

Although some oil executives voice enthusiasm for alternative fuels, oil-company policies make it harder for many service stations to stock a fuel called E85, a blend of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.
These policies are hardly the only barrier to wider use of the ethanol fuel. Demand is limited by the small number of vehicles that can burn it -- only about 5% of those on the road in America. It can be slightly costlier to burn E85, even though it costs less per gallon, because a car doesn't go as far on a gallon of the ethanol fuel as on gasoline. These demand restraints would limit service-station owners' enthusiasm for spending on the equipment needed to offer E85 even if the policies of the oil companies were not a factor.

But those policies add a significant extra obstacle. Oil companies lose sales every time a driver chooses E85, and they employ a variety of tactics that help keep the fuel out of stations that bear the company name. For instance, franchises sometimes are required to purchase all the fuel they sell from the oil company. Since oil companies generally don't sell E85, the stations can't either, unless the company grants an exception and lets them buy from another supplier.
Contracts sometimes limit advertising of E85 and restrict the use of credit cards to pay for it. Some require that any E85 pump be on a separate island, not under the main canopy.

 
Oil companies say they will allow stations to sell E85, but they must have certain rules for the protection of customers and protection of their brand. They call the restrictions reasonable and in some cases necessary to make sure drivers don't fill up with E85 if their vehicle can't burn it.
Most of the U.S.'s 170,000 fuel stations aren't owned by oil companies but are either franchised from them or independent. Less than 1% stock E85. Some experts say that to really take hold and be seen as a viable alternative to gasoline, the fuel would have to be available at, roughly, 10% of stations.

Those pushing for ethanol are targeting two very different types of fuel stations: those run by big retailers like Kroger Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc., and independent ones owned by small businesses. These represent the biggest and smallest of businesses, but have one thing in common: They aren't under the thumb of the oil industry.

Nearly half of the gasoline sold in the U.S. does have some ethanol in it. Oil companies routinely use it as an additive, typically at 10% ethanol to 90% gasoline, because the corn-based fuel burns cleaner. The blending enables companies to meet government smog-reduction rules. They also add ethanol because of a federal mandate on the industry as a whole, requiring that it use a certain amount of "renewable" fuels in its products.
Among those pressing for wider use of E85 are domestic auto makers, especially Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp. Ethanol is one energy initiative where they're out in front of Japanese car makers. While Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. are known for their gasoline-electric hybrids, Detroit, which has been heavily criticized for its sales of gas guzzlers, is far ahead in making "flexible-fuel" vehicles that can burn either gasoline or ethanol.
  
In Dwight, Ill., Becker's BP on Interstate 55 is one of just a few dozen major-brand gasoline retailers in the U.S. that sell E85. Owner Phil Becker says the governor wanted the state's vehicles to use E85 and targeted his station as a popular stop for state workers. He says BP PLC let him get the fuel from a non-BP supplier, and the Illinois Corn Growers Association gave him $100,000 for new tanks and pumps that BP required.
"Because I've got E85 and we've advertised it, we've had four or five farmers that traded their trucks to get E85 vehicles," Mr. Becker says.
Exxon Mobil Corp.'s standard contract with Exxon stations bars them from buying fuel from anybody but itself, and it doesn't sell E85. A spokeswoman for Exxon Mobil says it makes exceptions case by case.
Even if one is granted, the station must follow rules including one that says E85 must be dispensed from its own unit, not part of an existing multihose dispenser. "This minimizes customer confusion around vehicle compatibility issues and maintains product quality integrity," says the spokeswoman, Prem Nair.
A ConocoPhillips memo to franchisees says the company doesn't allow E85 sales on the primary island, under the covered canopy where gasoline is sold. Stations must find another spot. As a result, it isn't quite as simple for a driver to decide on the spur of the moment to fill up with E85. ConocoPhillips declines to comment.
A Chevron Corp. agreement with franchisees also appears to discourage selling E85 under the main canopy. It says dealers offering alternative fuels cannot "deceive the public as to the source of the product," a phrase that some gas-station interests interpret to mean that E85 can't be sold under the main canopy. Chevron says it recommends, but doesn't require, that E85 pumps be outside the canopy.

Chevron says it requires Chevron- and Texaco-branded stations to keep "E85" off their primary signs listing fuel prices. To show the fuel's price, and alert approaching drivers that E85 is for sale, the stations have to erect a separate sign.

Another Chevron recommendation makes it much more expensive for a station to offer E85 at all. Stations usually have three tanks, for the three gasoline grades, regular, mid-grade and premium. The easiest way to offer E85 in addition to these three is to convert the mid-grade tank to E85. Such a station can still offer mid-grade gasoline, because a "blender pump" can mix some regular with some premium, and mid-grade will come out of the hose.
But Chevron's agreement with station owners recommends they install new pumps and tanks at their own expense if they want to stock E85. Doing so can cost more than $200,000 per station, according to a fuel-station trade group in Washington state called Automotive United Trades Organization. Chevron says it requires special tanks only if they're needed for safety.
Oil companies also require stations to stock all three grades, meaning stations may not simply replace a low-selling mid-grade with E85.
At BP, guidelines for stations that carry the company name bar any mention of E85 on signs on gasoline dispensers, perimeter signs or light poles. The stations also can't let buyers use pay-at-the-pump credit-card machines.

Selling E85 is "not impossible -- it's just that they really kind of hassle you to not put it in," says Ron Lamberty, who owns two stations in South Dakota, one a BP station. Mr. Lamberty doesn't sell E85, even though he is director of market development for the American Coalition for Ethanol. He says he is looking into adding the fuel to his BP station in Sioux Falls.
Mr. Lamberty mocks BP's "Beyond Petroleum" slogan: "It's 'beyond petroleum' but not so far beyond petroleum that it would contain anything but petroleum," he says.
BP says its guidelines are in place so customers realize the mostly ethanol fuel isn't a BP product. The company also bars stations from selling it under another brand name, such as VE85, the brand of a maker in Brookings, S.D., called VeraSun Energy Corp.
A BP spokesman, Scott Dean, says, "When you've got 97% of your customers unable to use the product, you want to be very, very sure it is very clearly advertised." He says BP bought 718 million gallons of ethanol last year to blend into U.S. gasoline in small amounts. "BP is one of the largest if not the largest purveyor of biofuels in the U.S. and the world," Mr. Dean says.

E85 also faces barriers having nothing to do with Big Oil, like the limited number of cars that can burn it. Domestic auto makers have vowed to double production of flex-fuel vehicles to about two million a year by 2010 and to make half of their new vehicles sold in America E85-capable by 2012.
While the fuel usually costs less, it can be costlier to drivers because they get about 25% fewer miles per gallon from ethanol than from gasoline. At a pro-ethanol group called the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association, Executive Director Monte Shaw estimates that E85 has to be at least 20 to 30 cents a gallon cheaper to compete with gasoline on price.

Iowa statewide average prices on a recent day were $2.18 a gallon for regular gasoline and $1.97 for E85, according to a Department of Energy Web site. Because E85 is less energy-intensive, the site said, it would cost the average owner of a big Chevy Tahoe SUV about $2,364 a year to fuel it with E85, and $1,935 to fuel it with regular gasoline.

The price of ethanol has risen in the past year, partly because of demand from oil companies that want it for an additive. This usage creates something of a conflict for big ethanol producers like Archer-Daniels-Midland Co. Their main ethanol customers are the oil companies. Customers for E85 are far smaller and more fragmented.
ADM, whose yearly output of 1.1 billion gallons is more than 20% of the domestic ethanol market, says it is happy to sell E85 if someone wants it, but that is a "very small" part of its business. "Near term, we have focused more attention on the" additive side, says an ADM executive, Edward Harjehausen.

Even the main ethanol lobbying group in Washington, the Renewable Fuels Association, has focused mostly on developing the market for the fuel as an additive. "If you have a pump that sells E85 but you don't have customers pulling up to that pump, why do you want to bother?" says Bob Deneen, its chief lobbyist.
A few smaller producers do actively promote E85, such as VeraSun, which seeks to establish a branded E85. But even the smaller producers sell the bulk of their output for blending as a gasoline additive.

Because ethanol is more corrosive than gasoline, there's some concern it could leak out of a standard dispensing system and spark a fire. No E85 dispensing system -- nozzles, hoses, pumps -- has been certified by Underwriters Laboratories, the organization that tests the safety of products.
In October, UL suspended certification of parts that had been certified for use in E85 systems. Though there hadn't been any reports of problems, UL said it decided it needed to do its own safety research. Results aren't expected until late this year.

Among those trying to overcome obstacles to E85 are the domestic auto makers. They have built flex-fuel vehicles for years because doing so gives them "credits" in their efforts to meet federal fuel-economy standards. Without the credits, Ford and GM wouldn't have met mileage goals for light trucks in 2003, 2004 and 2005 and would have owed fines. The mileage goals pose a bigger challenge to Detroit because of its heavy reliance on large, thirsty vehicles. Foreign makers generally haven't resorted to building flex-fuel cars to meet the mileage goals.

For Detroit, the credits applied even if the flex-fuel cars they built never actually burned ethanol. For a long time, the auto makers said little about ethanol, and many owners of flex-fuel cars didn't know they had them. But when gasoline prices surged in 2005 and 2006, GM and Ford saw their flex-fuel cars as a way to counter their image as gas-guzzler makers.

Both began promotional campaigns, such as one in which GM gave buyers in Chicago and Minneapolis $1,000 gift cards good for E85. GM began to work with state officials to find grants to pay for installing pumping equipment. It has helped add E85 to 235 stations. Ford helped pay for installing 50 pumps so someone could drive from Chicago to Kansas City while filling up only with E85.

Among ethanol backers' recruits are two grocery chains. Kroger installed E85 at about 40 stations in Ohio and Texas. Privately held Meijer Inc. did the same in Michigan and Indiana.
Wal-Mart could provide a significant boost. It said last year it was considering selling E85 at its 388 company-owned stations but hasn't made a decision.

The U.S. tax code acts as a stimulus. Service-station owners can get a credit of up to $30,000 for their outlays to convert equipment to sell E85.
Some states have done their bit to spur the market. New York enacted a bill last year that barred oil companies from requiring stations to buy all of their fuel from the companies.
In the Albany area, station owner Christian King has begun selling E85 at one of his three Mobil outlets and plans to do so at a second. He says Mobil's restrictions still mean he can't put the price of E85 on the main sign or let drivers charge it on their Mobil credit cards.

Adding E85 "is a personal thing," Mr. King says. "I'm trying to do anything I can to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. And if this thing kicks off, I'm in a position to benefit."
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: evenflow on May 8, 2007, 09:42 PM
Its getting to the point where i am actually considering trading in my Explorer to get the  ::) Hybrid Escape.  ::)  :-[
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediJman on May 8, 2007, 10:21 PM
Its getting to the point where i am actually considering trading in my Explorer to get the  ::) Hybrid Escape.  ::)  :-[

Hey, I checked out the hybrid escape and that is a sweet ride.  Smaller than you're used to I'm sure, but still a nice ride.  It sounds like the car is dead when you're stopped - totally silent.  Be sure to check on tax credits before you buy - they used to run a deal where the first 60k models of each type of hybrid qualified for a nifty tax break, but I don't know if you can get that deal this year or how many hybrid escapes might have already sold. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediJman on May 8, 2007, 10:22 PM
Oh, and gas jumped from $2.85 here in the Twin Cities to like $3.09 today...ugh!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on May 8, 2007, 11:14 PM
2.99 :P better than 3.19 on Sat. :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on May 9, 2007, 07:03 AM
There's a bill in the Texas legislature right now that will suspend the 20 cent per gallan tax for 90 days. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: evenflow on May 9, 2007, 09:34 AM
Its getting to the point where i am actually considering trading in my Explorer to get the  ::) Hybrid Escape.  ::)  :-[

Hey, I checked out the hybrid escape and that is a sweet ride.  Smaller than you're used to I'm sure, but still a nice ride.  It sounds like the car is dead when you're stopped - totally silent.  Be sure to check on tax credits before you buy - they used to run a deal where the first 60k models of each type of hybrid qualified for a nifty tax break, but I don't know if you can get that deal this year or how many hybrid escapes might have already sold. 

The fact that it is smaller is what really bothers me. I have to sit in one to see if i am comfortable. Thanks for the info about the tax break i will look into that. Maybe if i get a 2008 i could work that out.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: P-Siddy on May 9, 2007, 11:02 AM
Was $3.09 last night when I got gas for the mower, today $2.99!  >:( :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on May 9, 2007, 11:44 AM
Get Ready for $4.00 Gas (http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news/economy/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes)

Question:  Is the media simply 'informing' the public or are they helping to drive the price up?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 9, 2007, 12:50 PM
They're doing what they do best - scaring the public.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on May 9, 2007, 04:22 PM
So true :P :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on May 11, 2007, 03:57 PM
Had to go fill up the gas can for the lawnmower this afternoon...  $3.259 per gallon. 

This weekend is the summer fishing opener in Minnesota.  The price has been bouncing around all week at the station nearest my house:

Mon - $3.09
Tues - $3.05
Wed - $3.09
Thur - $3.04
Fri - $3.25

Funny "coincidence" how the night before everyone hits the lakes on Saturday (and most likely needs to fill up both the car and the boat) gas spikes up $0.20 per gallon.  :-X

According to AAA, this weekend should set a new record average high for the Twin Cities...  and Memorial Day is still 2 weeks away. ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on May 11, 2007, 04:05 PM
 >:( Back up to 3.19!How convient for the weekend.I just got gas Wed,for 2.98 ::) :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: stormie on May 11, 2007, 04:42 PM
$3.64 at the Valero near my work.

It's funny, but if you go back to page 11 or so of this thread, you can see how relative the price bitching is. We were bemoaning $2.29 gas back then, but we'd all kill (well, severely maim) for that price right now. I wonder how long it'll be until I start wishing gas was $3.64 a gallon.  :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on May 11, 2007, 04:53 PM
I wonder how long it'll be until I start wishing gas was $3.64 a gallon.  :-\

About 6 weeks or so. 

Funny thing was an analyst on the radio (from the US) was talking about prices going back down soon as production ramped back up.  Yeah, right.  Prices will start to fall.  About the 7th of September.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediJman on May 11, 2007, 05:18 PM
They hit $3 mid week and I was holding out for them to come back down, but today they skyrocketed to $3.30.  I don't think the fact that fishing season starts tomorrow had anything to do with it.   ;) ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on May 11, 2007, 07:26 PM
$112.9 cents per litre today, yeah Happy Mother's day!  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jayson on May 11, 2007, 07:31 PM
Today at noon gas was $2.99 I figure "hey, I'll just wait til after work then to get gas, surely they won't gouge and raise the price over the next four hours".

So, 4 hours later I pull up to the pump $3.25. I didn't give them the satisfaction.

******* ********.  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediJman on May 11, 2007, 08:15 PM
They always change around noon these days Jay.  :-\  I think of it as gambling.  If I need gas, I drive by 3 stations on the way in and try to guess whether the price will be higher on the way home or lower.  I almost always wait to see if it goes lower and 99% of the time it goes higher.   >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on May 11, 2007, 09:53 PM
So, 4 hours later I pull up to the pump $3.25. I didn't give them the satisfaction.

That's what you get for taunting me with your $2.99 price earlier...   :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on May 12, 2007, 03:06 AM
$112.9 cents per litre today, yeah Happy Mother's day!  >:(

$117.9.  Take that, no PST boy.  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: tonphanan on May 12, 2007, 02:19 PM
There's a bill in the Texas legislature right now that will suspend the 20 cent per gallan tax for 90 days. 

Colorado was going to pass a similar bill but it FAILED!!!!

Average in Colorado Springs is 3.19 it was 3.09 two days ago

Friends in Louisiana are paying 2.68 this week.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 15, 2007, 09:46 AM
We're paying in the $3.40's here in SoCal for the cheep stuff. My wife and I have been driving a lot less.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on May 15, 2007, 01:56 PM
2.99 just north of Charlotte -- the highest yet.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on May 15, 2007, 05:17 PM
Oil Futures slide, but gas prices keep going up, up, up.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070514/oil_prices.html?.v=8

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on May 15, 2007, 05:35 PM
A jump to 3.29 >:( To quote Threepio" Will this ever end? " :-\ UNFORTUNATELY NOT! :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on May 15, 2007, 08:40 PM
Oil Futures slide, but gas prices keep going up, up, up.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070514/oil_prices.html?.v=8



Summer driving season + addiction to 6+ cylinders + captive market = $4 gas.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediJman on May 15, 2007, 09:12 PM
We maxed out at $3.30 in Minneapolis this weekend.  It's down to $3.19 now, which is still ridiculous.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on May 15, 2007, 09:29 PM
Oil Futures slide, but gas prices keep going up, up, up.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070514/oil_prices.html?.v=8



Summer driving season + addiction to 6+ cylinders + captive market = $4 gas.

Summer driving season + addiction to 6+ cylinders + no desire to see prices lower by the people making the most money+captive market = $4 gas (and beyond)

The 6 cylinder addiction is breaking though - that's a start.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 15, 2007, 11:25 PM
Oil Futures slide, but gas prices keep going up, up, up.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070514/oil_prices.html?.v=8



Summer driving season + addiction to 6+ cylinders + captive market = $4 gas.

Summer driving season + addiction to 6+ cylinders + no desire to see prices lower by the people making the most money+captive market = $4 gas (and beyond)

The 6 cylinder addiction is breaking though - that's a start.

Don't forget the convenient timing of the shut down of refining plants for maintenance. ::)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on May 16, 2007, 07:34 PM
$112.9 cents per litre today, yeah Happy Mother's day!  >:(

$117.9.  Take that, no PST boy.  >:(

$116.4 today so bite me pay more tax kinda guy!  :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on May 20, 2007, 02:21 AM
$112.9 cents per litre today, yeah Happy Mother's day!  >:(

$117.9.  Take that, no PST boy.  >:(

$116.4 today so bite me pay more tax kinda guy!  :P

$128.9 here today = $1.184US/Litre = $4.48US/Gallon  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on May 20, 2007, 02:31 AM
Hey,
You want to live in the valley, you pay the prices associated with the valley.  Suck it up, BC boy. :-*
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on May 20, 2007, 04:32 AM
$112.9 cents per litre today, yeah Happy Mother's day!  >:(

$117.9.  Take that, no PST boy.  >:(

$116.4 today so bite me pay more tax kinda guy!  :P

$128.9 here today = $1.184US/Litre = $4.48US/Gallon  >:(

$1.21.4 per litre, ******* bastards!  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on May 20, 2007, 08:35 AM
Friday I filled up before driving my pickup to my parents house 2.5 hours away for $3.04.  At there house, gas was $3.29.  I need gas, but I waited until I got back here to refill.  This ******* sucks.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: tonphanan on May 20, 2007, 10:32 AM
3.29. Gas jumps up 10cents about every 5 days.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: King_Maul on May 20, 2007, 12:11 PM
Local Costco
$3.27 - 87
$3.47 - 91
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediJman on May 20, 2007, 10:12 PM
I just paid $3.36 yesterday.  That physically hurts.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Tracy on May 21, 2007, 07:28 AM
We live within a couple of miles of Lowe's Motorspeedway and the big Memorial Day race weekend is upon us.  All of the gas stations near the track (and hence, near us) are up to $3.30-3.40.  Everywhere else its around $3.15.  There are 10's of thousands of motorhomes parked at the track -- I can't imagine what it cost them to fill up.  I assume prices will go up everywhere as the holiday weekend approaches. >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 21, 2007, 08:40 AM
I had a dream last night that gas hit $16 and I put one gallon in my car.

$3.25 looked pretty cheap this morning.



Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on May 21, 2007, 10:47 AM
I was reading through some gasoline articles from cnn.com and they were predicting an early peak to gas this year.  They were predicting about $2.87.  Now, they are saying $3.25.  I'm guessing we will see closer to $3.75.  I still don't get it though why (although I really do), why are all the plants having repair issues now and not during the winter?  Why in the last 4 years are we seeing gas prices go up and down when for the previous 20 we didn't see that kind of action.  Oil prices are down, so should the price of gas.

I know, I know; Iraq, middle east conflict, oil company profits, etc...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Matt on May 21, 2007, 11:05 AM
I know, I know; Iraq, middle east conflict, oil company profits, etc...

Yeah, because none of that stuff started until four or five years ago. . .   :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on May 21, 2007, 11:51 AM
I know, I know; Iraq, middle east conflict, oil company profits, etc...

Yeah, because none of that stuff started until four or five years ago. . .   :-X

That is my exact point...why all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on May 21, 2007, 01:30 PM
They realized they sell the same amount of gas at $3.25 per gallon that they did at $1.05 per gallon. 

So of course it's going to stay expensive.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Neal on May 21, 2007, 01:39 PM
They realized they sell the same amount of gas at $3.25 per gallon that they did at $1.05 per gallon. 

So of course it's going to stay expensive.

That's exactly it.  It sucks, but as long as the demand stays the same (or increases) with the increase in price, why wouldn't they keep the prices high?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on May 21, 2007, 03:23 PM
They realized they sell the same amount of gas at $3.25 per gallon that they did at $1.05 per gallon. 

So of course it's going to stay expensive.

I said this exact same thing last year.  This is an example of capitalism at its worst, as much as I hate to say that.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 21, 2007, 04:18 PM
Yes, I blame it on the monopolistic business practices of huge corporations.  I mean, is there really anyone out there to compete with Exxon/Mobil or Chevron/Texaco?  The current national average price for a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline is $1.75, an all-time high.  Unfortunately the way the system is set up, we're at the mercy of huge corporations and special interests.  The same holds true for huge pharmaceutical companies and utility companies.  They control us.  I guess it's nice to have at least one foot in the door of the nation's highest office. :)

The second post of this thread from the first page.  Thought it was kind of 'funny' how we complained about gas prices that were under $2.00.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on May 21, 2007, 09:13 PM
That's how it works... jack it up so high that people are thrilled when it goes back down to $2.00 or $2.50 and stays there.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on May 21, 2007, 10:55 PM
Still 3.15 here :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on May 22, 2007, 02:25 AM
2 weeks ago gas dropped 10 cents to $3.35 here.

I wonder why it has stagnated so? Is it the ceiling early? I guess I'll find out later this week ::).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: stormie on May 22, 2007, 10:45 AM
Yeah, that same station that had $3.64 a gallon last week, was at $3.57 yesterday.

Needless to say, I filled up. Also needless to say, with my luck, the price will be $3.50 today.  :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Deanna Rash on May 22, 2007, 03:59 PM
 >:( :o  3.59 Just in time for the Holiday :P >:( >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on May 22, 2007, 04:05 PM
Today, I noticed the price dropped 3 more cents to $3.32 a gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iFett on May 22, 2007, 04:40 PM
Today, I noticed the price dropped 3 more cents to $3.32 a gallon.

$3.26 here in the Twin Cities.  How is gas only a few pennies more out there in CA?  I always thought you guys were at least fifty cents more than anywhere else....
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 22, 2007, 04:43 PM
Yeah, me too.

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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: stormie on May 22, 2007, 06:01 PM
How is gas only a few pennies more out there in CA?  I always thought you guys were at least fifty cents more than anywhere else....

In general, CA is higher than the rest of the nation, but it's a big state, and prices vary according to location. LA proper and SF Bay Area have some of the highest prices in the state. I live in San Jose, and work closer to SF. The closer I get to SF, the higher the price. The station by my home was $3.45 yesterday. About 20 miles north (where I work) was $3.57 yesterday.  :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on May 22, 2007, 06:04 PM
Today, I noticed the price dropped 3 more cents to $3.32 a gallon.

$3.26 here in the Twin Cities.  How is gas only a few pennies more out there in CA?  I always thought you guys were at least fifty cents more than anywhere else....

I don't know but I think our gas tax is #2 highest state in the nation at .38 per gallon added to the cost. I think RI has the highest though- not that it matters considering how small the state is. All I know is it's been stagnant at $3.35 for 2 weeks then today it goes down to 3.32 :-\. Does it matter though?... anything over 2$ is ridiculous anyway. Like Rob said the same amount of gas is sold as 4 years ago just they know they can sell it for alot more(because folks will pay) so they do ::).

--Urb

I looked it up it shows NY the highest gas tax at 60.8 then Hawaii at 60.something then Cally at 58.something. I guess the gas taxes fluctuate annually like the gas prices ::) :-\.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on May 22, 2007, 06:07 PM
Stormies right..like in my hometown Vacaville, even further away from the bay area, it's been in the 3.20's-3.30's for weeks. While here, in the desert where I live(an hour and a half from LA) it's 10-20 cents cheaper than LA.

Like he said it gets more expensive the more towards highly populated areas you go.

--Urb
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on May 22, 2007, 06:18 PM
California's gas is by far the highest in the country.  The graph I saw just a couple weeks ago had Hawaii at a very distant second place.  Jon (Slothus) found some unusually low gas out here, which is a serious exception to the norm around here.  Most everything is around $3.50+ now.  That same graph that I saw also showed the additional gas taxes applied by each state, and I thought CA's was still far above the rest, but I may be mistaken.  I can't recall where I saw that stuff, but I'll see if I can dig it up again.  But any news story (CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc.) with "highest gas prices" always lists CA first.  Hawaii was #1 last year, but we've blown by them in 2007, unfortunately.

There's actually a number of gas stations here in SoCal that are already over $4 for the Super Unleaded gas.  I'm sure regular unleaded isn't too far behind, and will hit that dreaded mark in the next month or so.  It's disgusting.  In fact, it's so bad now that I often find myself doing calculations in my head to see if a trip is even worth it.  Two books from the library: Late charge = 25 cents/day.  Trip to the library (only a few miles away) = $1+ in gas.  If the library's not already on the way to something else, screw it.  Not worth it.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on May 22, 2007, 06:27 PM
Yep, unfortunately for Matt he lives on the edge of a highly populated area as Stormie explained. It's funny, everytime(in the last 5 years I've lived here) I head towards Matts' area or LA I watch the roadside gas prices increasing- including a phat increase from Kern to LA county!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediMAC on May 22, 2007, 06:35 PM
Interesting. (http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp)  AAA says Illinois has just passed us by three cents.  First I've ever heard of someone being more than CA.  Odder still, that several other states are apparently closing the gap on us now as well.  Not sure why that is and what's changed in the past couple weeks, but I feel kind of stupid arguing for bragging rights on the highest gas, and being upset if we're not #1.  That means I'm either way too competitive, or just a complete idiot.  Not sure which one...  :-X
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: evenflow on May 22, 2007, 07:11 PM
2.97 for me today. Sadly the 50.00 i put in wont last me the rest of the week.  :-\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Matt on May 22, 2007, 10:11 PM
Interesting. (http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp)  AAA says Illinois has just passed us by three cents.  First I've ever heard of someone being more than CA.  Odder still, that several other states are apparently closing the gap on us now as well.  Not sure why that is and what's changed in the past couple weeks, but I feel kind of stupid arguing for bragging rights on the highest gas, and being upset if we're not #1.  That means I'm either way too competitive, or just a complete idiot.  Not sure which one...  :-X

Oklahoma, for as long as I can remember, has always had some of the cheapest gas prices in the entire country, on average.  But over the last few weeks, the prices have skyrocketed around here and I think now we're around ten cents higher than the national average, and nobody seems to know why.  I figure I can't complain too much, since we've had it good here for so long--but it's just strange how it's happened so quickly, with no explanation at all.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on May 22, 2007, 10:25 PM
Interesting. (http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp)  AAA says Illinois has just passed us by three cents.  First I've ever heard of someone being more than CA.  Odder still, that several other states are apparently closing the gap on us now as well.  Not sure why that is and what's changed in the past couple weeks, but I feel kind of stupid arguing for bragging rights on the highest gas, and being upset if we're not #1.  That means I'm either way too competitive, or just a complete idiot.  Not sure which one...  :-X

I went out to Wizard World in Chicago for about three years running.  And when it came time to tank up for the drive home from Chicago I was SHOCKED at just how much higher the gas prices were there.  I heard that it's got something to do with the cost of delivery, but I think it's also got to do with their taxes.  Because I would get into Indiana, some 20 or 30 miles away, and the gas prices would be much better there.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on May 23, 2007, 03:33 AM
Yeah, when I was driving home to Cally this year as I crossed Arizona then crossed the colorado river into California -- Arizona side of the river had gas at 2.87 while the california side had it 3.25 (in early April).

Guess where I filled up? :P

DS
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 23, 2007, 08:16 AM
Oklahoma, for as long as I can remember, has always had some of the cheapest gas prices in the entire country, on average.  But over the last few weeks, the prices have skyrocketed around here and I think now we're around ten cents higher than the national average, and nobody seems to know why.  I figure I can't complain too much, since we've had it good here for so long--but it's just strange how it's happened so quickly, with no explanation at all.

From what I've heard, the Midwest has been hit hard because most of the refineries that are down for 'maintenance' are located in our area.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on May 23, 2007, 10:24 AM
Whoa dropped another cent over night! Now at 3.31 Gal :-\
I went to the local town and 2 other stations were at 3.31 so now I know where our station is basing the price off. This military base is different than most being that a majority of the folks employed here are civil servants or contracted, so the state gas tax is included- but they do try to use the lowest local price matching. Other bases I've been on the gas was cheaper because it didn't include the state gas fees(federal installations). To counter, us military folks are allowed to claim state gas tax refunds here- what it does is remove the state gas tax for when driving on the installation. Since I do 75% of my driving on the base, I typically get 100-150$ back annually after claims. 

DS
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on May 23, 2007, 10:42 AM
Funny, Congress is 'posed to have some hearings on the gas issue soon.  I  can't remember where I read/heard this, but there has been talk of breaking up the major oil companies that merged in the 90's.  Congress is "worried" that oil companies are price gouging.  Gee, you think??  How long has it taken to figure this out...your government dollars at work.

However, in America, with only three major oil companies, there technically is no monopoly on gas, but the three companies do control distribution and pricing, so naturally they will all be in league with each other on prices.  Where each company jumps ahead of the others is within the company itself and who can cut costs.  Exxon-Mobil gets the nod here because they control most of their oil from the time it is loaded onto a ship until it is put into your gas tank.  Self contained organizations don't have to pay the middle man and are able to cut overhead.  So actually there is a monopoly with only three big companies in the business and they buy out or push out anyone who stands in there way.

I know that I'm getting a tad into conspiracy theories here.  I've also talked at length with my dad who is a petroleum engineer and worked for Exxon and Shell in the 70's and early 80's before he started his own production company. Much of the info he's given me has been regurgitated here and in several other posts on this subject.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 23, 2007, 02:19 PM
I was going to complain abou the prices around here in Colorado, but the price per gallon in Bermuda is $8 per gallon!

In case you're wondering, the exchange rate with the US dollar is 1.001 to 1.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 23, 2007, 03:07 PM
Yeah, but their per capita income is 50% higher than the U.S. and it's one of the most expensive countries to live in with regards to house prices.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 23, 2007, 08:43 PM
Yeah, but most of the Bermudians work 2 to 3 jobs to afford the lifestyle.  I'm not making excuses or anything....just kinda glad I don't have to pay that here.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2007, 12:13 AM
From what I've heard, the Midwest has been hit hard because most of the refineries that are down for 'maintenance' are located in our area.

I was talking with my dad about it this evening, and he said the price jump was due to a big fire we had at a refinery here a few weeks back, and he thought that since the refinery was finally coming back online, the prices should drop a bit.

(Incidentally, prices are down by about a dime since I last posted. . .)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 24, 2007, 08:39 AM
$1.97 in Iowa.


A little over four months ago...today we're at $3.25 - a 65% increase.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2007, 05:20 PM
Saw $3.00/gallon gas today--the same station was up near $3.30 not even a week ago.  Good trend--hope it continues.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on May 24, 2007, 05:51 PM
Exactly.

We've now been conditioned to be happy with $3.00 gas.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on June 11, 2007, 07:33 PM
In the Twin Cities it's been below $3 for a couple weeks and it's still slowly dropping. Today it's about $2.80.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: David on June 11, 2007, 09:32 PM
$3.32 in SJ.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JediJman on June 12, 2007, 12:18 AM
Paid $2.73 at Holiday in Golden Valley today.   ;D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on June 12, 2007, 11:08 AM
Still s-l-o-w-l-y going down in price over a month now...

currently @ $3.19, whooptydo ::)

DS
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Kenobi on June 13, 2007, 09:09 PM
cheapest gas I have seen is $3.05 at a thifty (bargain) gas station.  Second cheapest is $3.12 at Food4less.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on June 13, 2007, 10:28 PM
Exactly.

We've now been conditioned to be happy with $3.00 gas.



A few years ago when it hit $2.00, I thought to myself, this is just a big scam so that when it goes back down and settles at $1.50, we'll all be happy, even if it's 50% more than the $1.00 we were used to.

Then when it hit $3.00 last summer, I thought, we're going to be thrilled when it goes back down and settles at $2.00 a gallon - what a scam.

I don't think that's the case anymore.  I think it's as simple as keeping prices as high as possible in relation to public outcry and the level of attention they're drawing from lawmakers.

I hope I live to see the day when most people drive cars that run on something else.


Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: john todd on June 13, 2007, 10:36 PM
i agree... for the longest time i only really wanted the car manufacturers to make cars that got better mileage so that the oil resourses would last essentially forever (to me).  now that the oil producers are clearly trying to see exactly how high they can jack the price before we cry uncle i would love to see the entire transportation industry switch to some other fuel source.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 14, 2007, 08:12 AM
Way to go Dressel, you ****, you've obviously scared Force Guy off.

****.

Plus these ****** gas prices are Bush's fault.  **** Bush.[/totally sarcastic; don't ban me]

Look Dressel.  You crossed the line.  Although I lost the bet about a Kerry '04 victory, you agreed you'd keep the spoils of your victory a secret.  Now every closeted right winger is going to be bugging me for handjobs.


Closeted?   :)

I am a proud conservative, and I'll shout it from every mountain peak.  And the handjob wasn't bad either.

$3.25 in NY
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on June 14, 2007, 08:17 AM
Would you believe I found a station this morning at $2.79?

He's notoriously higher than everyone else...but not today.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: BillCable on June 14, 2007, 08:51 AM
They're predicting a $.50 drop by July 4th in most areas.  As long as there's no big hurricanes.  I guess they got the refineries back up and running after the conveniently-timed maintenance.  My station is already down $.15.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: ruiner on June 14, 2007, 09:00 AM
Don't get too excited...and stop having kids:

Oil to Run Out Sooner Than Expected (http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2656034.ece)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Darth Slothus on June 14, 2007, 11:12 AM
$3.16 here in the desert  :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: evenflow on June 14, 2007, 11:23 AM
A little better, i paid 2.90 for regular yesterday.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2007, 08:12 PM
Oil to Run Out Sooner Than Expected (http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2656034.ece)

And you're looking at WWIII if we don't have something in place by the time it gets really dire.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on June 14, 2007, 10:52 PM
Don't get too excited...and stop having kids:

Oil to Run Out Sooner Than Expected (http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2656034.ece)

You guys are believing **** printed in the Independent?  Holy crap, it's about 1/16th better and more reliable than the Enquirer and only on it's good days.   :o

The world has been ending for about 100 years now, in the press, on a daily basis, since at least the mid-60s, or so the Club of Rome said.  We were doomed, running out of not only natural resources but food too, no way could we feed 4 billion people, never mind six (with the caveat that there's enough food, just not an efficient distribution system to the third world thanks to tin pot dictatorships of all manner). 

Relax.  Support alternate fuel supplies (but examine them to see if they fall into the snake oil category and what they're impacts might be cuz you don't get something for nothing).  Conserve what we have (starting with stopping buying little plastic men made from oil and shipped from very far away and then trucked to your store) and we'll move along fine.

Besides, it's not oil that's the limiting resource in the world, it's water.  You've been told.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on June 15, 2007, 09:12 PM
Wow! Gas today is the lowest I have seen in a long time, 99.9 cents per liter.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: King_Maul on December 1, 2008, 05:00 PM
It's been a while since someone has commented in this thread, but when I hit my local Costco over the weekend, regular was $1.81 a gallon.  I didn't think gas prices would ever get back down to this price point...this is just amazing to me.  I won't complain either if it keeps going lower.  Wouldn't it be nice to be able to lock in at a per gallon price like how Southwest Airlines does with their fuel hedging contracts?  I wonder how much lower the gas prices will go?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: BrentS on December 1, 2008, 07:42 PM
$1.65 in the North Chicago Suburbs.  Who would have thunk it.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: I Am Sith on December 1, 2008, 08:12 PM
It's been a while since someone has commented in this thread

Once things turned political (around the June timeframe) the thread was moved to 'The Sarlacc Pit'.  It's been pretty up to date since then.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: King_Maul on December 1, 2008, 08:52 PM
Ah, I see.  I guess I should venture into the Pit more often.  Looks like Chewie found gas at $1.51 a gallon about 2 weeks ago.  That's awesome.  Brent, you finding it at $0.14 less doesn't make me feel like I got such a great deal anymore ;).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JohnH on December 1, 2008, 10:31 PM
It dipped below $1.50 last week in the KC area.  I actually saw it as low as $1.39 on the Missouri side of KC on Saturday.  The other day it cost me less than $20 to fill up my tank.  I almost shed a tear.  :)

John
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on December 1, 2008, 10:37 PM
Canada sucks.  $0.829 a liter or $3.20 a gallon.  Granted about $0.80 are additional taxes, but it's still ******* ridiculous.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2008, 11:36 PM
$1.94 is the cheapest I've seen here.  Some places are still $2.05 or $2.09 here yet though, usually just select places that feel theyv'e got the locals by the balls and so they don't drop prices to compete since nobody's around them to compete with.  It seems douchey to me, but whatever.  I just make sure I never have to make my stop there.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: knashdx on December 2, 2008, 12:57 PM
Twin Cities is between $1.57 and $1.75 depending on where you live.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nathan on December 2, 2008, 06:52 PM
My tank is just shy of 11 gallons so I literally could not put $20 in it if I wanted to. (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/ValinKenobi/Forums/woohoo.gif)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: I Am Sith on November 6, 2013, 08:01 PM
Thought I would bump this one again as I almost wrecked my car today when I saw $2.99 / gallon for 87 octane at my local gas station.  Can't tell you the last time I saw prices below $3.00 / gallon!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2013, 09:15 PM
$3.20's here...  $3.20 is the cheapest I've seen, but it's $3.21, $3.25, etc., and K-Mart issues $.30 off per every $50 you spend so I've got a few of those I've spread around to family lately.  Saving 2 because I figure I'll have a couple coupons to use myself then and actually get less than $3/gal gas.  :)  Hurray!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jayson on November 7, 2013, 01:53 AM
$2.94 on my street
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 7, 2013, 07:26 PM
Unleaded 2.69 at kroger in the magnolia state
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: P-Siddy on November 8, 2013, 08:13 AM
$2.77 in one neighborhood, $2.99 in another.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on November 8, 2013, 11:05 PM
$4.50 in Canada.   :)






 :'(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 9, 2013, 10:45 AM
Lowest prices I've seen in Central NC is $3:15
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ghost of QG on November 9, 2013, 11:37 AM
$2.79 in Kansas City
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: solrac on November 18, 2013, 09:36 PM
San Diego gas is super cheap right now @ $3.61. I guess they charge a sunshine tax on that too. At the begining of the year it was almost $5.00.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: name on November 19, 2013, 10:04 AM
2.99 in Northeast TN yesterday.  With grocery reward points, I filled up at $2.79
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on November 19, 2013, 01:21 PM
Ours creeped up slightly.  Not a lot, yet, but slightly.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 24, 2014, 08:59 AM
1.93 in Southaven MS. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Chris M on December 24, 2014, 02:12 PM
1.89 this morning in Mesquite, Texas.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Rob on December 28, 2014, 06:09 PM
I drove from Chicago to Tampa last week (and back) and the lowest I saw was $1.87.

It was a nice break from the cost of that trip on an average year, but I'm not going to get too excited.  I'm pretty confident it'll be right back where it was last July, by next July.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: BillCable on December 28, 2014, 07:08 PM
Thanks to *******, OPEC is a shell of its old self.  Unless Russia decides to start a war to boost prices, I think we're looking at low gas for quite a while.  Prices have barely adjusted to $60-a-barrel oil.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Nicklab on December 28, 2014, 08:00 PM
$2.19 is the lowest I've seen locally.

As for Russia?  They're in deep trouble economically right now.  I don't know if I would even joke about them starting a war.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jeff on December 28, 2014, 10:32 PM
Friendly reminder that this is the POLITICS FREE gas prices thread.  If you'd like to debate the pros/cons of *******, the falling Russian ruble, or anything else, take it over here (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=16236.0).  Thanks! ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: BillCable on December 29, 2014, 08:39 AM
In my defense, my post was entirely apolitical.  Increased domestic oil production from ******* is a fact.  OPEC's inability to control supply as a result of said increase is a fact.  The US now rivals Saudi Arabia in oil production.  And Russia's economic dependence on oil exports is thoroughly documented.  Speculating that a glut of supply would keep prices down long-term is not a political statement, it's Econ 101.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Morgbug on December 29, 2014, 04:03 PM
Gas was anywhere from $4.25 (resort pricing) down to $2.99 (Costco) in Hawaii but it's always ballparking Canadian prices anyway.  Currently $0.86 per liter here, or $3.44
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on December 29, 2014, 05:05 PM
Gas dropped to 074.9 per litre here in Edmonton.   :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: evenflow on December 29, 2014, 06:03 PM
1.99 in Phoenix
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: I Am Sith on December 29, 2014, 06:22 PM
Still holding strong around $2.19 these days.  Haven't seen anything below $2.00 yet.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Jesse James on December 29, 2014, 06:46 PM
Saw $2.45 today.  It's getting close to where with my coupons from K-Mart I may get it for under $2/gal.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: JesseVader08 on December 30, 2014, 01:49 AM
Gas dropped to 074.9 per litre here in Edmonton.   :P

What?  We're still paying 104.9 in Kelowna.  Welcome to BC.  >:(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: DSJ™ on December 30, 2014, 07:22 AM
From gasbuddy.com

Average Regular Gas Price By Canadian Province
Alberta   83.5   
Manitoba   87.5   
Saskatchewan   90.1   
Ontario   95.5   
New Brunswick   96.5      
Nova Scotia   98.5   
PEI   100.2   
Newfoundland   101.2      
Quebec   103.3   
British Columbia   104.8   
Northwest Territories   116.8   

Average Regular Gas Price By Canadian City
Edmonton, AB   78.461   
Calgary, AB   85.268      
Winnipeg, MB   85.911      
Regina, SK   88.419   
Saskatoon, SK   89.434      
London, ON   90.852      
Barrie, ON   92.739      
Kitchener-Waterloo, ON   92.875   
Hamilton, ON   94.419      
Ottawa, ON   94.670   
Toronto, ON   96.925   
Halifax, NS   97.591      
Abbotsford, BC   98.949   
Victoria, BC   101.785      
Quebec City, QC   102.138      
Montreal, QC   103.283      
Vancouver, BC   107.787