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Title: NFL Offseason 2006
Post by: Morgbug on February 17, 2006, 10:01 AM
Time to start a new thread for 2006 or change the title back.

What's wrong with athletes these days?  I want a raise even though I suck (http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/analysis/news?slug=rotowire-aunteulpepperonenial&prov=rotowire&type=lgns&league=nfl).  And I like Culpepper, but someone ought to point out to him that the time to ask for a raise is when you exceed expectations, not fail to meet them. ::)
Title: Re: Super Bowl XL Pittsburgh vs Seattle
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on February 20, 2006, 12:26 AM
No real big surprises here:

Ricky Williams suspended for the season after violating league's substance abuse policy for 4th time (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2336760)
Title: Re: Super Bowl XL Pittsburgh vs Seattle
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on February 20, 2006, 12:28 AM
Time to start a new thread for 2006 or change the title back.

What's wrong with athletes these days?  I want a raise even though I suck (http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/analysis/news?slug=rotowire-aunteulpepperonenial&prov=rotowire&type=lgns&league=nfl).  And I like Culpepper, but someone ought to point out to him that the time to ask for a raise is when you exceed expectations, not fail to meet them. ::)

I totally agree here, what is he totally nuts?  He had a hideous season, then got severely injured, then disgraced himself on the cruise ship.  What a moron, the Vikings should respond by cutting him.
Title: Re: Super Bowl XL Pittsburgh vs Seattle
Post by: Morgbug on February 20, 2006, 01:17 AM
I'm pretty sure they'll trade him after all that stuff.  Too bad really, I'm confident he'll respond with a career season, like guys like that usually do after being traded following a crappy season. 

Sad as a Vikings fan though, unload a top receiver in the league (with an attitude) and then unload a top QB in  the league (with a newfound attitude problem) :'(
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jeff on February 20, 2006, 01:36 PM
RE: Daunte -
Maybe we can trade Daunte to the Raiders for Moss?   :P


RE: "Smokey" Williams -
 ::)  Gee, he has drug problems?  He didn't manage to stay clean despite saying he would?  To paraphrase from a friend - "Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me 17 times, I'm a dumbass".   :P

Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: jjks on February 21, 2006, 04:22 PM
I'd just like to chime in and voice how amazingly pissed I am going to be at the Chargers front office if they actually let Drew Brees go. They are absolutely insane letting him even touch the free agent waters, and if they're actually banking on Phillip Rivers I hope he turns out to the half the quarterback Ryan Leaf was.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: John C on February 21, 2006, 05:32 PM
Culpepper is most likely doing that to force a trade.  His days of being babied are now over.  Denny Green and Mike Tice let him do whatever he wanted.  Brad Childress will lay down the law.  No more thugs and miscreants for the Vikings.  The new owner wants to get the public on his side for a new stadium deal.  Getting rid of problem players will help.
Can't say I'm surprised by Williams.  He has always shown a larger desire to smoke grass instead of playing on it.  They should kick his @ss out of the league.  He'll never change.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on March 10, 2006, 10:11 AM
Culpepper is most likely doing that to force a trade.  His days of being babied are now over.  Denny Green and Mike Tice let him do whatever he wanted.  Brad Childress will lay down the law.  No more thugs and miscreants for the Vikings.  The new owner wants to get the public on his side for a new stadium deal.  Getting rid of problem players will help.
Can't say I'm surprised by Williams.  He has always shown a larger desire to smoke grass instead of playing on it.  They should kick his @ss out of the league.  He'll never change.

BINGO.

In the next 24 hours it is to be announced that Daunte Culpepper has been traded to the Oakland Raiders, Miami Dolphins, or NY Jets.

Stay tuned...

 :D
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jeff on March 10, 2006, 10:33 AM
My dad joked last night how it would be just like the Vikings to end up trading Daunte to Oakland to re-unite him with Randy and then watch them roll to a superbowl in Oakland.   :'(

Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Darth Broem on March 10, 2006, 02:13 PM
That would be kind of funny.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: John C on March 10, 2006, 04:10 PM
I don't see that happening.  Moss is not what he used to be.  Injuries and a lack of desire to win has caught up with him.  Daunte will never be a winner because he lacks the balls.  He panics and doesn't have the leadership skills to win the big games.  Look at his career record, 42-45 or something like that.  I think he only has one come from behind win in his career which was this year against the Packers.  He has all the tools but he can't think outside the box. 
That being said, I don't want him traded right now.  His value is at it's lowest.  Sign him, give him his bonus, and make his @ss ride the bench next year to teach him who the boss is.  Put him in games for mopup reasons only.  Show the NFL he's healthy again and trade him for a few high draft picks.  Hopefully send him to a horsecrap team like New Orleans to once again demonstrate who the boss is.  Go out and sign a Free Agent QB or trade for somebody to back up Brad Johnson.  Maybe draft a QB this year or next to groom.  That is what I hope happens.  Then go out and buy a couple of top FA LBs and OLs.  You have the cap space, use it. 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Morgbug on March 10, 2006, 04:43 PM
Heh, I like your thinking sir.  I've never been so pleased as when Pierre Page of the Quebec Nordiques looked the Lindros family straight in the eye and said he can sit for a year when they asked for Eric Lindros to be sent to a larger market after the Nordiques drafted him.  I just love seeing whiny athletes bitch-slapped.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: John C on March 11, 2006, 09:59 PM
It sounds like Culpepper almost went to Oakland, but they didn't want to give even a second rounder up.  The Vikings should just keep him now.  Good to see they resigned Koren and picked up Longwell.  The kicker position should now be taken care of.  They also picked up Taylor from Baltimore and one of San Diego's LBs that has been injured off and on.  I would have liked to see them get a solid LB, but it is just the first day.  As long as they pick up a starting LB, guard and tackle, I will be happy with free agency.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on March 12, 2006, 03:16 PM
Ha ha!  I hope Edgerrin James enjoys not seeing the playoffs for the entire duration of his new 4 year contract with the Arizona Cardinals.  It's all about the money though, and I'm sure they gave him lots (financial details not yet disclosed).

 :D

Update:  $30 million for 4 years.  Also Antwaan Randle El to the 'Skins
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Holographic Elvis on March 12, 2006, 04:46 PM
F--k Edgerrin.  He totally took the money and ran on that deal.  The Cards may improve over time but the Colts were his best shot at a title, but that's clearly not what he was after.  I hate to see his talent go but RBs always seem to emerge so hopefully the Colts grab a good one in the draft. 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on March 12, 2006, 11:15 PM
F--k Edgerrin.  He totally took the money and ran on that deal.  The Cards may improve over time but the Colts were his best shot at a title, but that's clearly not what he was after.  I hate to see his talent go but RBs always seem to emerge so hopefully the Colts grab a good one in the draft. 

Does anybody know if, and what, the Colts were offering him in terms of a contract?
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Holographic Elvis on March 12, 2006, 11:57 PM
F--k Edgerrin.  He totally took the money and ran on that deal.  The Cards may improve over time but the Colts were his best shot at a title, but that's clearly not what he was after.  I hate to see his talent go but RBs always seem to emerge so hopefully the Colts grab a good one in the draft. 

Does anybody know if, and what, the Colts were offering him in terms of a contract?

I don't even think they were able to make an offer.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Clone On Fire on March 13, 2006, 02:30 PM
Mike Anderson and Jamal Lewis have both signed with the Ravens.  That's quite a 1-2 at RB.  Is Chester Taylor still there as well?
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jesse James on March 13, 2006, 06:49 PM
Super Bowl star Antwan Randle El went to Washington.  People are sort of bummed around here but at the same time Pittsburgh's not known to catering to the high priced so nobody really cared either.  Figure they'll just find someone to replace him.  Plus IMO he's good but not "great" to command what he got.  He had some pretty bad games in the regular season and wasn't even our #1 receiver... 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jeff on March 13, 2006, 07:54 PM
Is Chester Taylor still there as well?

No...  Vikings Sign Taylor (http://minnesotavikings.com/news_detail_OBJECTNAME_TaylorSigns31106.html). 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Mikey D on March 13, 2006, 08:00 PM
Super Bowl star Antwan Randle El went to Washington.  People are sort of bummed around here but at the same time Pittsburgh's not known to catering to the high priced so nobody really cared either.  Figure they'll just find someone to replace him.  Plus IMO he's good but not "great" to command what he got.  He had some pretty bad games in the regular season and wasn't even our #1 receiver... 

I would like to personally thank him for probably the most boneheaded play I've ever seen - the lateral to a unsuspecting Steeler at the 5 yard line that was recovered by the Patriots.   :P

Not that that play mattered much in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: John C on March 14, 2006, 02:29 PM
Bye bye Daunte.  Traded to the Dolphins for a crappy second rounder.  I don't know what to think right now.  On one hand, he didn't want to be here, is injured, never was able to win big games and was a nutjob.  On the other hand, a second rounder is nothing for a former Pro Bowl QB if he recovers.  I would have liked to see them keep him until the injury was healed, but I guess I just have to let it go.  I just hope they go out and pick up a backup that has some good NFL experience.  I'd take McCown, Griese or Matt Schaub.  I don't want to see them sign Nall, Green Bay's 3rd stringer.  Ugh. 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jeff on March 14, 2006, 03:30 PM
A second-round pick and that's it?   ::)

Goodbye and good riddance I guess.  I wish Daunte all the same championship luck that Marino had in Miami...  :-X

As for the QB situation, I agree with you that they better find something better than Nall to back-up Brad.  :-\

Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Morgbug on March 14, 2006, 03:43 PM
Quite a precipitous drop from the years they lost to Atlanta and then the Giants in the playoffs.  Hard to think the peak was that far back. 

Presumably they get room under the cap with this move and they're officially in rebuilding mode (again).  Now both my Moss and Culpepper Vikings figures from McFarlane are retro figures.  That oughta boost their value ::)

Is Minnesota still in the running for Brees? 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Matt Carroll on March 14, 2006, 04:01 PM
Is Minnesota still in the running for Brees? 

Nope.... (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2368304)
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on March 14, 2006, 04:26 PM
Oh geez, if Drew Brees wanted a shot at winning anything, I think he should have stayed in San Diego with Gates and Tomlinson.  What a 6 years he is in for.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Morgbug on March 14, 2006, 04:41 PM
Is Minnesota still in the running for Brees? 

Nope.... (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2368304)

Rebuilding it is then...
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: John C on March 14, 2006, 05:54 PM
Brees is gone.  Kitna reportedly went to Detroit.  I didn't really want Brees anyway.  His shoulder may not be healed, and even if it is, he's not a strong armed type IMO.  They better use the 6 million Daunte was due on a solid QB. 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Paul on March 18, 2006, 06:06 PM
TO is now a Cowboy....

If it weren't for the burn ban, I'd have a barrel full of Cowboys stuff on fire right now...

I'm sure I'll get over it if the Cowboys actually win a game with TO, but for now, I'm not happy.  I don't believe in winning at all costs, if the price is my dignity or soul.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Chris M on March 19, 2006, 09:17 AM
Absolutely ******* amazing.  Jerry actually thinks TO will keep his mouth closed while he's here.  Antonio Bryant sure as hell didn't, and Parcells let him go.  Parcells isn't the kind of person to put up with those kinds of antics.

I read in the Dallas paper on Thursday that the Cowboys sales office was told to be ready for an influx of season ticket holders possibly returning theirs.

Did anyone see Rosenhaus last night in the press conference claiming that 7 other teams were really trying to get TO.  Funny, becasue we never heard of any of those negotiations and we also know that Rosenhaus/TO can't keep their collective mouths closed.  I think he's also full of ****.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Paul on March 19, 2006, 10:33 AM
Did anyone see Rosenhaus last night in the press conference claiming that 7 other teams were really trying to get TO.  Funny, becasue we never heard of any of those negotiations and we also know that Rosenhaus/TO can't keep their collective mouths closed.  I think he's also full of ****.

Perhaps they were Canadian Football or Arena League teams.  I do have him on my EA Madden Team...but that is because if he gets mouthy, I can delete him...

I'm not to the point of turning in my season tickets because I assume the franchise will survive this...but I can see giving the tickets the tickets away more often than I usually do...

For every person I know that KNOWS this was a BAD move, there are just as many knuckleheads who think this is good news...

I blame this on all those sports-tards who gave Jerry so much grief over not bringing Randy Moss and his criminal record to the Cowboys.

TO is a monster ON the FIELD...if he could just be cryogenically frozen when on the sideline, locker room and during the week that is the only way he doesn't destroy the Image of America's Team and the worlds greatest sports Franchise.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on March 19, 2006, 10:59 AM
If the Cowboys D is even average, with Julius Jones, Marion Barber, Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn and a decent Bledsoe, they are going to be a notch better than the Redskins and Giants for sure.  There's always a chance Eli Manning is going to show dramatic improvement and the Giants will win this division though.  I really am not that impressed with the Redskins' signings, and their QB sucks.  The Cowboys get TO at wideout and all of the sudden adding Randle El and Brandon Lloyd doesn't look so hot.  It'll be an interesting division.  Forget Philadelphia.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Scott on March 21, 2006, 01:10 AM
I'd take TO on my team if I were in charge, the dude is a competitor and an athlete...he's a head case though (but less so than Keyshawn ever has been)

I think that was a great move by the Cowboys

I'm also pumped to see Steve Hutchinson sign with the Vikes tonight, should go a long way to making the Chester Taylor signing even more of a smart one

PS...Future note to Dressel, Chester Taylor is this year's LaMont Jordan

RE: Daunte

I wouldn't have traded him, keep him and see if you could get more next offseason.  He's hurt and his pride and ego were hurt, I think the staff overreacted and didn't want to deal with him any more, which is a mistake.  He was the #2 player in the NFL in 2004 and now he's gone...as is the best player on your team that year in Randy Moss

I struggle with the lack of names and superstars, but then I look at NE and Pitt and know they can do it


Oh, and I also heard a nasty, nasty rumor that the Vikes are getting new Uni's complete with new Helmets which will ditch their horns.  That is a horrible move IMO >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: John C on March 21, 2006, 02:27 PM
They are getting a redesign, but the rumors of the new look are just that at this point.  People have been posting pictures online of a repainted McFarlane figure of a Viking player with purple pants, the norseman on the helmet, and the Viking horn on the sleeve where the norseman is currently.  It's someone's custom job and someone else's idea of a joke.  The only changes I want are black shoes and purple pants with the away jersey.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jeff on March 21, 2006, 02:37 PM
People have been posting pictures online of a repainted McFarlane figure


I saw that one yesterday...

(http://www.rlcustoms.com/nflteams/vikings/EJHenderson4.jpg)


And, if you are really worried about it, I got this from an e-mail this AM:

Keep The Horns (http://www.petitiononline.com/40for60/petition.html)

Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on March 27, 2006, 05:10 PM
I didn't realize it at the time, but it now appears that Mike Tice was fired for being a nazi sympathizer...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/nextseason/Misc/p1_tice.jpg)

What a shame.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: John C on March 29, 2006, 09:56 AM
I find it funny that Seattle thinks it will hurt the Vikings by throwing a 49 million deal at Nate Burleson and including a "poison pill".  He's not worth anything near that amount.  I would have liked to see him stay around, but Seattle can have him if they want to overpay for a number two or three WR.  The Vikings get another draft pick, maybe to be used to get a higher first rounder.  I won't be surprised if the NFL puts a stop to the "poison pill" deals.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 30, 2006, 11:01 AM
I find it funny that Seattle thinks it will hurt the Vikings by throwing a 49 million deal at Nate Burleson and including a "poison pill".  He's not worth anything near that amount.  I would have liked to see him stay around, but Seattle can have him if they want to overpay for a number two or three WR.  The Vikings get another draft pick, maybe to be used to get a higher first rounder.  I won't be surprised if the NFL puts a stop to the "poison pill" deals.

Seriously, Nate Burleson has not lived up to the hype, and he should not be making anything close to what Randy Moss and Terrell Owens make.  They overpaid by about 50% for Burleson with that offer.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2006, 11:56 AM
Burleson probably won't see a lot of that money - but they still overpaid.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: John C on March 31, 2006, 09:36 AM
I did some digging and it looks like Seattle will only owe him 14 million for 4 years.  Still too much IMO. 

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/maasx003/Vikings/

This link leads to a site that has what could very well be the new Viking uniforms.  Of course, the guy also has an article dated today that says the helmets will have a "V" on them when the owner just said that the horns will still be on the helmets, so proceed with caution.  The St Paul Pioneer Press also reported that the new uniforms will resemble a cross between the Chargers and Broncos unis, while this sketch looks more like the Ravens.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 15, 2006, 02:22 AM
(http://www.ksan.com/Include/GetSupaQImage.asp?idGuid={704B6273-A20A-48D5-9D6F-37C7E8044E46}&R=EBFF52DD)
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: John C on April 27, 2006, 03:26 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/jcurtis102/7623.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/jcurtis102/7629.jpg
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Morgbug on April 28, 2006, 04:41 PM
To follow up on John's links....

(http://www.kfan.com/pages/vikings/newjerseys/DSC05041.jpg)


(http://www.kfan.com/pages/vikings/newjerseys/DSC05037.jpg)


(http://www.kfan.com/pages/vikings/newjerseys/DSC05039.jpg)


 :-X
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 28, 2006, 10:41 PM
As for tomorrow's draft, Reggie Bush will not be the #1 pick.  He got snubbed by the Texans in favor of Mario Williams.  I guess Reggie Bush is going to New Orleans?

Houston Texans sign Mario Williams as their #1 pick (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ajzd26B6zAKOvMxOB31Hym5DubYF?slug=ap-nfldraft&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Originally, I thought it would play out like this:

1.  Houston Texans take Reggie Bush
2.  New Orleans Saints take Mario Williams
3.  Tennessee Titans take Matt Leinart
4.  New York Jets take D'Brickashaw Ferguson

Shocker  :o
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2006, 11:53 PM
Originally, I thought it would play out like this:

1.  Houston Texans take Reggie Bush
2.  New Orleans Saints take Mario Williams
3.  Tennessee Titans take Matt Leinart
4.  New York Jets take D'Brickashaw Ferguson

Shocker  :o

That was my assumption as well - But I thought the saints might have gone with D'Brickashaw and the Jets might have taken Cutler or Williams.

I'm as shocked as everyone else is - Williams will be a fine player, but he's no Reggie Bush.

Texas screwed the Pooch on this one - again.  Now I've got to hope that some team in the top ten will trade with the Saints to move up to #2 and take Reggie Bush - otherwise he'll be facing the Bucs twice a year... which I'm not thrilled about.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Scott on April 29, 2006, 12:04 PM
I cannot believe they passed on Bush.  What a bunch of ******* idiots
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 29, 2006, 12:58 PM
I cannot believe they passed on Bush.  What a bunch of ******* idiots

I don't know, Mario Williams is a defensive pass-rushing monster.  I was watching some footage of him sacking the hell out of some QB's (picking them up and dumping them 8 yards backwards actually) and I thought I was watching it in fast forward.  Then I noticed that everyone else on the field was moving regular speed  :o

Besides, the Texans have Domanick Davis.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Holographic Elvis on April 29, 2006, 02:42 PM
The Texans will regret passing on Bush.  Happy to see Leinart go to the Cardinals since the Titans were blinded by Young's Rose Bowl performance.  Young is the next Vick: all hype and not an NFL QB.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Morgbug on April 29, 2006, 10:54 PM
The Texans will regret passing on Bush.  Happy to see Leinart go to the Cardinals since the Titans were blinded by Young's Rose Bowl performance.  Young is the next Vick: all hype and not an NFL QB.

I agree, I'd have preferred to see the Titans take Leinart as well. 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: jjks on April 29, 2006, 11:36 PM
I agree, I'd have preferred to see the Titans take Leinart as well. 

You and me both. I am so unhappy with our decision to take Young over Leinart. I just don't see Young succeeding at the pro level. I'd love to be wrong on this, but I just don't see it happening.

Interesting that we ended up getting Lendale White with our 2nd round pick. If the guy gets his act together he could end up being one of the steals of the draft.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2006, 02:24 AM
The Texans will regret passing on Bush.  Happy to see Leinart go to the Cardinals since the Titans were blinded by Young's Rose Bowl performance.  Young is the next Vick: all hype and not an NFL QB.

I think Young has a chance to be a lot better than Vick... Vick sucks.  He flat out sucks.

Young is a leader.  Yes, he has some work to do in his passing game, but he literally willed his team to a national championship.  He's a high risk/high reward type guy, but I'm confident that he'll be a lot better than Vick.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2006, 02:25 AM
I cannot believe they passed on Bush.  What a bunch of ******* idiots

I don't know, Mario Williams is a defensive pass-rushing monster.  I was watching some footage of him sacking the hell out of some QB's (picking them up and dumping them 8 yards backwards actually) and I thought I was watching it in fast forward.  Then I noticed that everyone else on the field was moving regular speed  :o

Up until recently Mario Williams wasn't even considered the best DL on his own team.  He's going to be a fine player, but he's got to be the next Reggie White to justify passing on Young, Leinart, and Bush to take him.

Hell, the Texans probably would have been better off taking Ferguson.

Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Ryan on April 30, 2006, 04:43 AM
With their first pick the Broncos select... Jay Cutler... I have to say I'm a wee bit confused about that one... oh well Javon Walker should be better than a draft pick, assuming he is healthy.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Holographic Elvis on April 30, 2006, 07:54 PM
With their first pick the Broncos select... Jay Cutler... I have to say I'm a wee bit confused about that one... oh well Javon Walker should be better than a draft pick, assuming he is healthy.

That's Jake's successor.  I think it's a solid pick.

I'm glad the Colts grabbed a RB but we'll see if Addai is capable of being the guy.  I was hoping D'Angelo Williams would fall in their laps but knowing Carolina needed a RB, I wasn't counting on it.

I'm also happy about Leinart going to Arizona.  I think he's gonna thrive there and I'm gonna grab a Leinart jersey soon.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 30, 2006, 11:16 PM
With their first pick the Broncos select... Jay Cutler... I have to say I'm a wee bit confused about that one... oh well Javon Walker should be better than a draft pick, assuming he is healthy.

So much for the confidence in Jake Plummer.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Ryan on April 30, 2006, 11:52 PM
With their first pick the Broncos select... Jay Cutler... I have to say I'm a wee bit confused about that one... oh well Javon Walker should be better than a draft pick, assuming he is healthy.

So much for the confidence in Jake Plummer.

The thing I don't understand is that Shanahan still sas he is confident in Jake and that he will be the number one guy. And they really like Bradlee Van Pelt (the Broncos current backup), I guess they may move him to another position, he is a pretty good athlete and I think they feel he can play elsewhere. I'm interested to see how this pick will play out.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: jjks on June 7, 2006, 02:58 PM
Titans/Ravens reach deal on McNair. (http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060607/SPORTS01/60607007)

Sad day around the office. We all knew it was going to happen, but letting him go to Baltimore is especially painful. Good for Stever though, the way the Titans have treated him has been a slap in the face of someone who has meant more to this franchise than anyone else. He deserved much better than this, so I hope he has a good season with the Ravens.

Young better be ready sooner than later, I'm in no mood to have Volek at the helm all season.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Tracy on June 12, 2006, 02:57 PM
Roethlisberger Hurt in Motorcycle Accident (http://sports.aol.com/nfl/story_nodrambuie/_a/steelers-roethlisberger-hurt-in-accident/20060612123009990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001)
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jesse James on June 12, 2006, 06:46 PM
Yeah this is the news for the day here...  Everything else pretty much has been ignored for the entire day.  It's just a 24 hour watch to see what his condition is.  So far it's rumored here that he has head/facial injuries that he's been in surgery for for about 4 or 5 hours now.  A broken jaw at the minimum...

He's been told by Cowher not to ride without a helmet, he's been warned by Bradshaw and Theisman about it too and I guess he gave them attitude over it...  That's a shame really, but at the same time he really should know better than to ride without a helmet.  Everyone should regardless of what the law is, but you'd think when you wear a helmet for your job you'd be smart enough to wear one on the highway. 

Hopefully he's ok...  I've seen the car and bike on TV, and while it is an ugly looking accident, the bike's not mangled beyond recognition and the car's damage doesn't appear to have actually gone through the steel, so hopefully the impact wasn't high speed and his injuries will be healable and he'll be fine in a relatively short period of time.  It was practically inevitable though, and it's a good example of why helmet laws should be in place I suppose.

He's in serious but stable condition with facial/head injuries and some knee injuries I guess.  That's what the news just said, so there you go.  Hopefully he'll be ok and a bit wiser.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: JesseVader08 on June 13, 2006, 12:00 AM
Not wearing a helmet?  What a stupid, arrogant thing to do.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jesse James on June 13, 2006, 01:23 AM
PA repealed its helmet laws a while back...  Not too long ago though, just a few years really.  I forget when exactly as I am too poor to own a Harley as I'd like to. :)

But yeah, I can see it from both sides...  If you want to it should be your right and all that jazz...  That's my personal stand on the matter.  At the same time I think the Steelers should have it contracted that he HAS to wear a helmet...  Personally if I were Rooney I'd have it in the contract that he can't ride a motorcycle till he's out of the organization but that's my opinion.  You invest in the person, and the person has reckless disregard for his own safety, so it's a touchy situation.

Riding without a helmet is dumb though really...  Even if it's what you feel is your right.  I wouldn't do it, but that's me.  I'd ride with the old style WW 1 German spiked helmet.  I love those. :)
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on June 13, 2006, 02:00 AM
With Kellen Winslow as a shining example, no NFL player in their right mind would ride a motorcycle at all.  All you have to do is slip up one time and your career could be over (nevermind that your life could be over...).
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Roton7 on June 13, 2006, 10:58 AM
The dude is a moron IMO. Any football player who rides a mototcycle is a moron. Anyone on this planet who rides a motorcycle without a helmet is a moron.

It's like they see these other players on the news who are all fractured and twisted and whatnot, and they say to themselves, "Yeah, so what? It'll never happen to me". Well, guess what benny-boy, it happened. And I myself never liked the guy. I think he needed soemthing like this to show him that the universe doesn't revolve around him.

Sheesh.

Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 13, 2006, 11:41 AM
The dude is a moron IMO. Any football player who rides a mototcycle is a moron. Anyone on this planet who rides a motorcycle without a helmet is a moron.

It's like they see these other players on the news who are all fractured and twisted and whatnot, and they say to themselves, "Yeah, so what? It'll never happen to me". Well, guess what benny-boy, it happened. And I myself never liked the guy. I think he needed soemthing like this to show him that the universe doesn't revolve around him.

Sheesh.



Seahawks fan?
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Darth Slothus on June 13, 2006, 12:15 PM
LOL..my thought too, Dressel.

I kind of like this QB...he's one of those rare rookies that came into the league and I noticed that he never seemed to have any fear in the game...whether winning or losing he played with alot of confidence in every game.

No, it doesn't appear to me that he acts 'like the world revolves around him' but more like he's just a very confident personality...I wouldn't say arrogant(see Deion or Terrell Owens= overlyconfident) though.

He's actually just doing what he wants to do in his free time...nothing wrong with it. I do think that...in his business there should have been some kind of contract stipulation drawn up for the team's security.

That said with his personality..it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's riding without a helmet again in the future. Motorcycles are dangerous for many reasons
alot of them for factors not having to do with how they're driven.

All this and I'm not even a Steelers fan.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Roton7 on June 13, 2006, 01:29 PM
He is cocky IMO. Maybe not to you, but to me, he seems cocky. From the interviews I've seen of him, he seems to be cocky. But that's just my opinion
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 13, 2006, 03:30 PM
He is cocky IMO. Maybe not to you, but to me, he seems cocky. From the interviews I've seen of him, he seems to be cocky. But that's just my opinion

I think Ben is pretty modest.  In most of the interviews I've heard, he admits that he is a quarterback who does not put up phenomenal numbers.  He's aware of fantasy football fans, and says that he is a "horrible" pick for their fantasy team.  I think he seems pretty down to earth.

At the same time, I realize not every interview is the same, and you may have heard him come across differently.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jesse James on June 13, 2006, 03:42 PM
Well, being in Pittsburgh and seeing him practically weekly now for the past 2 years, if not more frequently somehow, I can safely say he's not cocky and I'm not really sure where any of the anymosity comes from other than Dressel's observation earlier...

He's been incredibly humble and supportive of his teammates above and beyond his own personal "glory" on the field.  He's very easy to talk to in person (from what I've met of him myself), and very chatty.  He's actually somewhat a Star Wars fan too (not my own finding out on this, just what I've heard) and he's been generous in the community here.  If that's cocky, so be it, but I've seen absolutely nothing that would make me want to dump on his character like that. 

"Cocky" doesn't sit well with the Rooney's or the Pittsburgh fans...  Burress was "cocky", and he's not here now.  From what I've seen of Roethlisberger he's not even confident all the time in his ability to take charge of the game, though he says he's coming along, so I think quite differently on the man. 

Riding a motorcycle is anyone's perogative...  Riding without a helmet is too in this state, so whatever anyone's opinion may be on it, it's the law that he is allowed to.  I hope he sees the light though and that he wouldn't step on the field without his helmet so he shouldn't fly down the highway without one either.  The accident was completely the other person's fault (by early reports) as well, so it never SHOULD have happened, but stuff does and here we are.  Sounds like he's not worse for wear really so he should be thankful and wiser now, I hope. 

Bradshaw told him to wait'll he's 30 and his career is over to do this stuff...  I agree.  Then again, he's a grown man and I hope he at least wears his helmet during his riding hobby.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: jjks on June 13, 2006, 04:42 PM
I have a street bike and would never consider for a second riding around without a helmet, but I still resent the fact that I'm "forced" to wear one. Seatbelts fall into the same category for me too. It bothers me to no end that I'm required by law to wear one, yet I'm also allowed by the same traffic law to ride a bike with absolutely no seat belt protection. I don't need a law to make the safe choice in either situation, but evidently others do.

I'm surpised the media hasn't picked up more on Ben's interview last year when he discussed why he thought he was a safe rider. He mentions only going out in groups and riding Cruisers, never sport bikes. Last time I checked, you don't get more sport than a 'Busa. It also looked like he wasn't cruising around with a pack, but using his bike to get between interviews. 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Morgbug on June 13, 2006, 04:45 PM
I used to ride a motorcycle, before we had helmet laws and 20 years ago I dropped $300+ on a full face Bell helmet.  Ever fall off your bike and hit your head?  Figure out how much more it would hurt at 10x the speed and how much damage that would do.  It's not difficult to figure out.  

The accident was completely the other person's fault (by early reports) as well, so it never SHOULD have happened, but stuff does and here we are.

No one plans to be in an accident, whether in a car, on a motorcycle or otherwise.  But they do happen.  When I was riding my motorcycle, more than enough time I was 'challenged' to race by jackasses in cars - not just fast ones either, big slow ones.  I've had people cut me off on purpose, swerve into my lane for 'fun'.  Driving a motorcycle is a dangerous thing to do and it's fun as hell.  But I got rid of my bike simply because riding it was too dangerous because other people found it sporting to take runs at me.  

All this without mentioning the inherent lack of protection on a motorcycle.  There's no protective frame around you; there's no seatbelt; there's no airbag.  

I've seen a guy die from an accident while wearing a helmet.  There's no guarantees and that's probably Roethlisberger's defense.  At the same time, I've seen guys get up and walk away because of them.  

I have zero sympathy for Big Ben.  I don't dislike him at all, I don't think ill of him.  But riding a bike without a helmet just isn't an intelligent thing to do.  I do have sympathy for Pittsburgh fans, Ben's family, friends and teammates because they've got a dumbass with a weak imagination for a QB/friend.  

Like Jamie, I don't think laws are necessary.  I consider it to be proof positive of evolution and natural selection at work.  If you ain't got the brains, you ain't got that much to lose. 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jesse James on June 13, 2006, 06:38 PM
That's kind of my stance... My only amendment to it is that it should be within the man's contract that he either CANNOT ride a bike without major financial penalties, or he at the very least must have full protective gear on...  And then he still is at risk for career-ending injury for any other number of body parts (his knees were a huge concern as they were hurt but very minor by today's reports, and he'll hopefully be active in training camp actually).

He should consider himself fortunate and if he's seen on a bike without a helmet, Steelers fans should heckle the **** out of him at every turn, and make his life miserable for it.  He owes too many people to keep himself safe for him to do things like that.

At the same time I agree with Jamie and you Brent about the laws...  I tend not to wear a seatbelt, and it's not safe but it's my choice and I shouldn't be forced to...  If I rode a bike, I would wear a helmet.  It should be your choice in the matter either way.  Roethlisberger should have that choice taken away from himself by the Rooney's though, not the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on June 13, 2006, 06:46 PM
When you get in a wreck, and you're ejected from your car, and your insurance has to cover hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical bills, all our premiums go up.

That's why seatbelts are law - and that's why I'm okay with seatbelts being law.

Same should go for helmets.  Whether this incident is one where a helmet would have helped or not, there are plenty of instances where helmets save lives and prevent injuries.  Anyone riding without one is a fool.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jesse James on June 13, 2006, 06:49 PM
I just saw on the news here that the statistic is (or theirs was anyhow) that 37 out of 100 motorcycle injuries while wearing a helmet are proven to save the life of the rider...  Or that's what their stat was anyway.  I'd believe it though...

And your point is valid Rob, but that's not to say that maybe the Insurance rules/regulations should be reformed instead of laws imposed...  IE: if you're hurt while not wearing a seatbelt insurance is negated or whatnot.  I'm sure more would wear theirs then.  I wear mine more than I used to for certain but not always.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on June 13, 2006, 06:53 PM
I don't see how you could reform those types of regulations.... they boil down to business decisions and bottom line financials.  I'd be open to them though - the small-goverment part of me wishes that it was everyone's individual choice.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: JesseVader08 on June 15, 2006, 03:03 AM
I don't dislike him at all, I don't think ill of him.  But riding a bike without a helmet just isn't an intelligent thing to do.

To me, it really is as simple as that.  Personally, I swear by wearing a helmet since I'd be a vegetable without one -- I was hit by a car on my bike and bounced off the pavement.  It just doesn't make sense to not wear one.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Jesse James on June 16, 2006, 04:42 AM
Bear in mind Roethlisberger is 23, and completely fawned over in his world too...  He's a kid for all intents and purposes, and one who everyone he meets caters to him I'm sure, so I gotta imagine he has a certain level of irresponsibility in him.  ;D

Seriously though, I think he did have some kind of feeling of invincibility...  Because he actually pretty much said that in a statement he released last night.  He said he was sorry to the Steelers, to his coaches, the Rooneys, the city of Pittsburgh, and to the Steeler fans, and admitted in his release that he has an obligation to protect himself in the off-season...

He also said if he's riding a bike again in the future, he will be wearing a helmet...  That he thought he would never be in a situation like this and that he's a safe rider... 

I really feel like the press statement he released was a nice gesture and showed humility on his part.  He could've just kept quiet but while still in the hospital he decided to own up to it...

The other news has also pretty much confirmed he is physically ok for lack of a better term.  He's got no serious injury, and he'll likely be fine for opening day and hopefully he'll make it for half of training camp or so like predicted.  He had Titanium plates screwed to his jaws and he'll have a semi-solid food diet while he heels so he's less likely to lose weight and things...  He's supposed to be out of the hospital actually in 3 to 5 days (this was a day or so ago too), so he seems to be fine...

And Pittsburgh can change it's loaded diaper now.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Morgbug on June 16, 2006, 10:13 AM
No serious injury?  Lemme see, a QB with a concussion and a broken jaw.  He was in surgery for something?  That's not serious?  Bwahahahahaha.  Whatta maroon.  Should be interesting when someone on the opposing D tries to take his head off.  I wonder in the next concussion will come a little more easily?

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That he thought he would never be in a situation like this and that he's a safe rider... 

I drive about 60-70 thousand kilometers a year.  I'm a safe driver.  My survival on the road depends on how other people drive more than how I drive to an extent.  I stay in my lane, pass safely and don't drive in a hurry.  Yet at least once a year on the two lane highway I drive, I somehow end up three cars (actually it's usually me and an ******* in another car passing a semi) across a two lane highway, each of us going 60+ mph.  I didn't do anything wrong, but if I'm not looking and paying close attention to other people's stupidity I'm dead.

Once he grows up and gets paranoid about other drivers, then he'll be a safe rider.   ::)
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Nicklab on June 16, 2006, 10:33 AM
What a moron.  This guy has the world at his fingertips.  He's young, a first round pick and now a Super Bowl Champion.  And part of his job is that he wears a helmet to work while people run around hitting each other.  It didn't occurr to him that it might be a good idea to wear a helmet while riding a bike that's easily capable of doing 140 MPH?  Idiot.

I've got a motorcycle license.  I've been through the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's rider course.  And I know about helmet laws and that some states don't have them.  In fact I was mortified at some of the riders I saw the other day in Connecticutt.  They were riding up to the Bike Week in Laconia, NH and a lot of them weren't wearing helmets.  Add in the fact that it had been raining and it's a situation that most responsible riders won't put themselves in.  For ANYONE to get on the road on a motorcycle without a helmet is an act of stupidity.  I nearly lost a friend who wears an open face helmet.  He got hit in the face with a bee while he was doing highway speeds and could have very easily gone down.  I've seen the damage that a rock the size of a golf ball can do to a car at 60 MPH.  Now imagine something like that bouncing off the road from a truck's tire and it's headed right for your face.  Do you want a helmet or not?  If not then you're just an idiot.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2006, 10:44 AM
It didn't occurr to him that it might be a good idea to wear a helmet while riding a bike that's easily capable of doing 140 MPH?


Try 180+ MPH.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Nicklab on June 16, 2006, 10:45 AM
Even better.  I knew the Hayabusa was fast, but that's just ridiculous.  You can only ride that fast on a closed track.  And guess what?  The guys that ride on tracks not only wear full face helmets, but body armor as well.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Morgbug on June 16, 2006, 12:04 PM
I nearly lost a friend who wears an open face helmet.  He got hit in the face with a bee while he was doing highway speeds and could have very easily gone down. 

Been there, done that.  Fortunately the helmet I was wearing was a full face jobbie.  I took a bumble bee right in the visor, which cracked and my head snapped right back.  I was able to keep the bike in control but I had a pretty wicked headache from a frickin' bee!  Imagine a rock. Or a lit cigarette butt.  Or a half full cup that some knob chucks out their window while littering. 
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Nicklab on June 16, 2006, 04:40 PM
You're preaching to the choir, Brent.  The fact that you could die from a freak collision with an insect at highway speed should be warning enough to people that full face helmets should be mandatory for all riders.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 27, 2006, 11:48 AM
I just don't think there is a bigger ******* in all of sports:

Owens at it again (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmZMkz4PS716XO1JDby61B45nYcB?slug=ap-cowboys-tofined&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on August 27, 2006, 12:07 PM
Yep.  There was a point where part of me wanted the Bucs to sign him because of the numbers he puts up - but watching the media circus here in Dallas, I'm 100% thankful that he's not on my favorite team, and I'm willing to bet that almost anyone who's favorite team isn't the cowboys agrees.

The guy just isn't worth it.  I'd rather have 5 Keyshawns on my team than one T.O.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 27, 2006, 04:39 PM
Jerry Jones still had one last chance to snatch that jersey back and come to his senses right about here:

(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nfl/2006/0318/photo/a_owens_275.jpg)

Now here's the question, if he leaves the Cowboys in flames like he did the Eagles, is he forced into retirement, or will yet another team still give him a chance?
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Rob on August 27, 2006, 05:12 PM
Someone will give him a chance, but he won't get the kind of contract that he wants (i.e. it will have a milliion behavioral and incentive clauses and an invisible signing bonus).  So, if he does retire, it will be because he doesn't want to take a lower value contract.
Title: Re: NFL OffSeason 2006
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 1, 2006, 05:28 PM
Sure, some fellow collectors had you up until 1:30 AM Wednesday night for the fantasy draft, even though you were sick and worked all day.

But you don't need a home thermometer to know that you're still sick.  It's not the malaise.  It's not the sniffles or coughing you're still experiencing...

If you are lying on your couch on a Friday night watching preseason Jets football, you are still sick.

Hands down the best available indicator I can come up with.