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Multimedia => TV-9D9 => Topic started by: Jesse James on October 6, 2014, 02:47 PM
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This is on the WatchDisneyXD App, and I watched it over the weekend...
There are spoilers here if you're waiting for it to be on TV or can't watch it so beware, more or less.
I did NOT like this episode as much as the previous one. There was some darkness with the implication that the weapon they were after does nasty things to living beings, but the idea a simple rifle can shoot and bring down a walker? Kinda lame.
Likewise, how'd the Empire have and use these on Zeb's species, but now need prototypes to mass produce them? They had them before, and used them to put down a species more or less!
I felt like the pacing was a little goofy, and 3PO and R2 were really crowbarred into it IMO.
I did like I guess why they were there, and where they ultimately wound up, and how there are more to the rebellion (and more powerful groups obviously) than our main characters.
I didn't loathe this episode by any means, but it just wasn't as good as I was hoping.
I liked the Capt. Rex cameo though, and I'm all the more happy I own a Starspeeder toy sized to action figures. :)
Oh, one more thing, the alien animation is thus far a good deal more redundant than it was in TCW... I know that's a thing the animators try to overcome as a series goes on but it's been way too noticeable so far. They really need to diversify their alien character library they can go to. The Aqualish all wearing the same jacket is getting old.
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I haven't watched "Droids in Distress" yet, but I guess you can download it for free on itunes now too... might have to try that when I get home tonight so the kiddos can watch it over and over even when we're away from wi-fi. :P
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For me, it had its moments, but it wasn't as good as the first show was... Perhaps it was the first show's hour that made it better. I will say the pacing of Droids in Distress is not right in some way. A half hour is such a short time to do stories like this, and it shows sometimes. :-\
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I downloaded "Droids in Distress" from iTunes and watched it on the plane ride to NYC. Not a bad episode, but like Jesse said really fast pacing. Probably would have been a whole TCW episode to find the weapons, another to steal it, and a third to deal with the weapons and return the droids. :P
Fun to see R2 and 3PO... definitely carried the whole "R2 gets to know and 3PO is clueless vibe" of ANH. Also interesting to think Bail was using R2-D2 to spy on the empire occasionally. A fun episode, but fast for sure.
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OK, it's aired now...
I'm a lil more annoyed, to be honest, about the "little things"... The nits to be picked, if you will.
The "rifle that brings down a walker"... Then Jayson at Yak pointed out to me on Twitter the AT-DP almost seems more powerful than an AT-ST... I'd argue it's less diverse (in armament), so I think the AT-ST's job description is simply different, but the main cannon? And the designation? I agree... So the "one shot from a rifle topples it" idea does annoy me some.
Likewise I saw Dave Filoni in an interview basically saying Stormtroopers are idiots because they're "conscripted", which that notion alone bothers me... Stormtrooper, as a term, denotes an elite status. You're not a Stormtrooper because you were picked at a lottery. You're one because you wanted to be, or exemplified the qualities to be one.
Filoni's comparison was against Clones, who were born/bred to be troopers... But why do the OT troopers need to be so dumb? I appreciate the thought, but they've become the battledroids of the OT era, and I don't think that jives. At all. Regular army? I can buy... to an extent.
Rebels should really try to avoid this in the future IMO. It's all for the laugh but makes the episodes a little more "hollow" as someone said to me tonight. And I agree.
The AT-DP changes scale at various points, so take the toy for what it is. Some make the toy look pretty damned accurate, others make it look about 2/3 what it should be for some reason. May have been the perspective or something.
The Hasbro Stormie Transport is going to be nothing as cool as the model in the cartoon I'm afraid. :-\ Totally aside from tonight's episode of course, but I wanted to say it.
Ezra's "outburst" to save Zeb became something of a debate for my friend and I, and I didn't mind it... I saw it as possibly even a little tinge of darkness (emotional outburst) in him, but nothing controlled or intentional? Though he has sort of shown he can intentionally do things he's somehow picked up somewhere along the way on his own.
There are ample cool accessory pieces I wish I had, in every episode, and they're just so cool but will go unmade by Hasbro. Those days are done. :'( 2007-2009, it could've happened! #LongLiveYularrensBitchingTableAccessory
The Starspeeder(s) being highlighted as a thing was fun... The inclusion of the old school captain, even better.
And I like Chopper a lot, and I don't know why. I like the noises he makes I guess. I'm weird.
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>>The Starspeeder(s) being highlighted as a thing was fun... The inclusion of the old school captain, even better.
Over at EndorExpress, we found out that Paul Reubens did the voice for Rex in that episode. I just wish Rex was malfunctioning a little.
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I gave this a watch the other night... wasn't too bad, but I kind of unfairly find myself comparing it to Clone Wars so far. The pace was much, much faster as has already been mentioned, but I felt like they did a good job balancing the action and the talking. Mainly I guess it doesn't feel like these guys are "rebels" as much as they are "guys trying to make their way in the universe, but they just happen to be stealing from Imperials." I did like how they threw in Organa/3PO/R2, and the Star Tours easter eggs were fun too.
One thing I noticed is that it seems more cartoonish than Clone Wars... the colors seemed brighter, and the scene in the Starspeeder where Chopper and Ezra are flailing around seemed to have a bunch of animation, more so than the typical flips and stuff we saw in Clone Wars.
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"Fighter Flight" is now available for viewing via the Disney XD app. And in this week's episode we get a good look at the modern take on the Imperial Troop Transport.
I really like the sound and music on the show so far. The sound effects draw heavily on sound library from the OT. The sound of the TIE Fighters is so dead on right.
The relationship between Ezra and Zeb seems to be developing, albeit it is a bit cliché. And the one merchant who knows Ezra? That at least helps to flesh his character out a little bit. But what I'm really wondering is when we're going to see Kanan training Ezra.
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Has anyone been watching? Just marathoned the last three episodes, and so far a whole bunch of "meh." The latest episode with Ezra in the Imperial training center was pretty good though. Again I feel like the show isn't about "Rebels" per-se, but "bandits who cause minor annoyances to the Empire."
Best parts of the show? The music and the vehicles. I LOVED the TIE Fighter transport. Such a shame we'll never get anything in toy form.
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We watched the latest two episodes on-demand last night.
Kids loved the Ezra-in-Disguise episode. I guess there's some book series coming out with the cadet Ezra met being the main character? Probably going to pick those up for the boys since they're into those young reader books now.
They didn't care for Out of Darkness as much, probably because it focused on Hera/Sabine though. They were all LOLing at the Zeb/Chopper/Ezra fixing the shuttle stuff. The 4-year old especially loves Chopper's tricks on Ezra.
It's funny how each and every episode has some portion that makes me think, "Jesse must hate that". :P Couldn't help but thinking about it when they were talking about these kids getting ready to be Stormtroopers... same with some of the other "kid physics" the show uses on the Empire (like the TIE flying sideways in atmosphere without the wings being ripped off a few episodes back).
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I caught up on the last two episodes and while interesting, just some odd plot things.
In "Rise of the Old Masters", they go into the cell where Luminara is and Kanan looks off to the right while talking to Ezra but doesn't notice the cryonic capsule that holds her dead body?! Plus, I'm assuming that Luminara was a hologram before revealing that she is actually dead. And the fight with the Inquisitor... he had the lightsaber to Kanan's neck and decides to talk instead of striking him down? Only in the movies, I guess. I don't really see the benefits of his double-bladed lightsaber or the spinning feature. I think it would have been nice to see him take out some Jedi first before Kanan and Ezra meet up with him... to establish his bad-assery. Instead, we saw this fight and, well, I wasn't impressed at all with him.
With "Breaking Ranks", does that mean Disney can go back and ret-con all the Jango voices as Stormtrooers in A New Hope ("Close the blast doors")? I always felt that civilians were put in the ranks as Stormtroopers and maybe clones were phased out once the Jedi were gone, so this episode supports that.
Otherwise, it's fun-watching.
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I've been watching, but it's definitely not The Clone Wars. It's not even The Clone Wars in the first season, actually. I'm with you guys on a lot of the comments... The ships are great, locations are great... Characters, they're not so great. Hera's interesting and Chopper is good. I can't say I like Kanan, Ezra, Zeb (he's so-so, not as bad as the others), the Inquisitor, etc.
Children becoming Stormtroopers? Wow that's reaching. Are they in school for 3 years for this? It'd have made more sense if they were trying to establish that as some kind of "Hitler Youth" type of camp for teenagers getting them ready for a life in the military... That's not out of the realm of possibility by any means and I even can see it working in the established storyline. Maybe the officer was just being encouraging to say, "You'll be Stormtroopers!", like that's their goal but they may not make it.
The cube thing to get out of a pit though, lame... and do all those kids have the force to jump like that? Lame.
I thought the side-story of why Ezra was there was good though.
I'm with Diddly on the way they feel like just a group of guys being a pain in the ass on one planet too. I feel like there are real Rebel cells going on at this same time. This group is really ultimately nothing... and I'm going to probably stick with that in my little Star Wars universe. They don't really do much, or accomplish anything.
This show is just not that good though. It's not horrid by any means, but it's far more aimed at kids than TCW was, and it's not got the writing that backed up TCW episodes for some reason. I'm having a hard time putting my finger on what's missing I guess, but it's definitely missing a bit.
Oh, and the Inquisitor is lame. He falls right in with TCW's inability to deliver menacing villains. Tartakovsky was the master in that regard. Lucas didn't even deliver anyone menacing but the Emperor. He was as inept with using the sub-villain characters properly too.
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A few people PM'd me this week asking where my boys and I watched "Out of Darkness" since it hadn't aired yet, so I thought I'd share...
I'm not sure how the other cable/dish providers work, but Comcast/XfinityTV posts most of the DisneyXD animated series episodes on-demand the week ahead of the air date, including Star Wars Rebels.
For example, "Out of Darkness", the 11/10 episode of Rebels, was posted for viewing on 11/4. That's how we watched it on Wednesday night. ;)
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I'll stick with DirecTv and Sunday ticket! :D
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I've watched all of them now and I agree with the sentiments around here...meh
I think a large part of it is us not knowing the characters. Just imagine if this actually was about Han/Chewie/Lando and Boba? I liked the Prison one with Luminara and it was really creepy with the mummy of her and all. Otherwise I'm not sold yet
I will say the scoring and planets we've seen are pretty kick ass...love all of the Williams and McQuarrie nods all over the place
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My son likes it and that's good enough for me.
I'll be curious to see if they tie into the new movies at all.
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I will say the scoring and planets we've seen are pretty kick ass...love all of the Williams and McQuarrie nods all over the place
This is one big plus for the show... something that draws in the adult audience that cared about SW from the beginning. It's nice to see the McQuarrie stuff in action. It's just a shame that its just for a kid's show.
I hope that by the end of Season One this rag-tag team meets up with the actual Rebels and are brought into their fold. Otherwise, the show has a misleading title. Sure they are rebels in their own right, but it should be done without the watchers assuming there is an association with the Rebel Alliance.
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Just guessing on the timeline, I think the show takes place only a short time after ROTS...maybe a couple of years.
The Empire is still extending their influence into the Outer Rim and the Rebellion is just getting off the ground. At this stage, the rebels would just be pockets of resistance scattered around the galaxy. The episode with R2-D2 and C-3PO had a great scene with Bail Organa asking R2 to show him what he learned about Kanan's group of rebels. I got the sense that he too is just starting to find others to recruit into what will become the Rebel Alliance.
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Just guessing on the timeline, I think the show takes place only a short time after ROTS...maybe a couple of years.
Straight from the official site...
"Star Wars Rebels, set five years before the events of Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope, tells the story of the Rebellion’s beginnings while the Empire spreads tyranny through the galaxy. Star Wars Rebels airs Monday Nights at 9p/8c on Disney XD."
I've said it before - I'm 100% convinced they picked this timeline to be able to have 25yo Han bump into the Rebels... or to have 14yo Ezra meet 13yo Luke Skywalker or Princess Leia or whatever. ;)
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They've said it's 5 (or was it 4?) years before the events of ANH... I agree Matt, you'd think pretty quickly after ROTS, but no.
I'd have preferred that, and maybe a little more of a TCW vibe and tie-in to it. Just my opinion. Less Stormtroopers, and "Empire in your face" stories, and more of the transitional period covered.
I'm with everyone on the McQuarrie stuff, the settings, the planets... That abandoned TCW base? Come on man! There wasn't a setting that well done in the entire TCW series if you ask me.
And I feel like Hera and Sabine as stand-alone new characters work great! Chopper works well too... And Kanan WITH Hera works great. There's spark, there's connection, there's banter but with some kind of romantic overtone to it...
Zeb and Ezra though, they are the Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar of this series. They can bring anything to a screeching halt with what seems like forced interaction.
I did get a laugh at Ezra riding Chopper and beating him, but his redeeming moments are few, and most of the time he's just grating, to be honest. And Kanan is a weaker character, and generally less interesting, when he's around Zeb and Ezra as well.
I thought the last episode with Hera and Sabine was really good, and while it's just voice acting, I feel like they do a better job at that too.
This show's trying very hard to be more kid friendly though, it's obvious. So I'm just going with the flow. I'll watch... I'm sure things aren't going to be as well liked as TCW generally was. It had a roller coaster feel to it at times, but it overall was a lot more mature in its tone (so far). They'll always be held to that standard too, especially keeping Filloni on and all, so that's on them. They may not give a hoot... Which is fine too.
The only thing about vehicles I've been a tad annoyed about, and the movies do this too, so whatever really, but they jump around in terms of scale... The AT-DP goes from tiny to not tiny quickly, haha. I still love seeing the design in the show though! And the Stormtrooper Transport... Sneak in an MLC-3 next maybe? :)
I'm with others though... This isn't the "Rebel Alliance". That's somewhere else. These are guys that may get caught up in it all, but they're just their own little side gig I think. Or that's how I'm viewing it anyway. It's either that or I'll just ignore the storyline for the mots part, haha.
Jeff beat me to the timeline thing, sorry.
Yeah I think the painfully unnecessary cameos are going to happen and it's going to hurt. :-\ I can almost buy a younger Leia turning up since they've already intro'd her father, but I just will absolutely hate seeing Han, Chewbacca, Luke, or anyone like that turn up. Ugh.
Jeff, I actually don't mind the "physics" thing... Star Wars physics is **** anyway, so I have learned to ignore that.
The kids becoming Stormtroopers, I have 100% just rationalized it as the Star Wars version of the Hitler Youth or whatever... Grooming the youth to go to the academy and become soldiers when they're of age. Luke's whining about it and he's 17 or 18, and whining like he should've left by now, so I imagine there's little centers like Lothal's around the galaxy on any planet the Empire has a presence on... Anything to get their minds hooked while young.
Noticed they had a black kid in the group too. Dismissing "The Empire are also racist" notion somewhat?
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Thanks for setting me straight on the timeline. I think what I said still fits though. The Rebels first major victory was right before ANH when they stole the Death Star plans. If you read the novel for ROTS, Padme warns Bail Organa to hide, and to agree with Palpatine at least in public. I'm sure Senator Organa, Mon Mothma and others from their groups opposed to what Palpatine was doing in ROTS are working behind the scenes to organize all this time, being patient and moving slowly, and their time to act is approaching.
Everything Kanan and his crew are doing, although helpful, is still pretty small scale at this point.
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And I really haven't seen what Ezra's slingshot can do... It's like a tazer, I guess. Can't have kids killing people, I guess.
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And I really haven't seen what Ezra's slingshot can do... It's like a tazer, I guess. Can't have kids killing people, I guess.
Yeah, but the 20" figure comes with his own homemade lightsaber, so let's bring that in at least.
I agree the last episode with the ladies was better, although the creatures seemed a little too cartoony somehow. These shows overall just feel more like online webisodes to me...so little depth in the plot, character development, etc. It's a pretty far cry from Clone Wars.
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It doesn't seem to work on everyone, or work well maybe. Yet other times it does... it's inconsistent, I can say that much anyway.
What the Rebels first major victory was seems a bit ambiguous in the EU. It could be it's the Death Star plan heist, but the DS plan theft is rather clandestine in most of the EU representations of it (especially if you stick with the Dark Forces arc).
Another angle I viewed on that line was the takedown of an Imperial Destroyer or two prior to the events of ANH... Moving from simple convoy raids to real assaults on major targets... which the DS plans kind of throw a monkeywrench into that then since there's this new big threat and all the victories in deep space suddenly mean bunk because of it.
It's an interesting topic I think.
And this still seems to meander back into the "EU is DEAD!" crap... This is one of the things about Rebels I really don't like... It's really just more EU to me, as is anything now in the post-Lucas era. It's like having someone write Middle-Earth story lines now that Tolkien is long dead. Any individual with enough $ could've bought it.
I keep getting these articles about the voice actors telling people how deep and dark their character's backstory is, but I'm reluctant to believe them at this point. I don't see this show delving where TCW was willing to go.
I like that thought too, that the shows feel like "webisodes", McMetal. They're shallow, and simplistic... so far anyway.
There's a ton of cool stuff to take away, but there's a lot to just ignore and be disinterested in too. I mean, some of the dialogue is really laughably bad too. There is a long way for this show to go, and grow.
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So watching the "Empire Day" and "Gathering Forces" episodes, was I the only one disappointed that the disk Ezra found didn't have the location of the hidden Valley of the Jedi on it?
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The series has me wondering more and more if the crew of the Ghost is going to become more deeply involved with the Alliance. They're basically passing themselves off as a freighter crew that regularly gets involved in "Imperial entanglements". But from the episode with the droids to their rendezvous with the blockade runner, it looks as though "Fulcrum" may actually be Bail Organa. He was overtly shown in the episode with Threepio and R2. And when the crew of the Ghost handed over Seebo, the ship they docked with looked like the same blockade runner from the episode with the droids.
As for where things go? I guess the season needs to progress and we'll see how the showrunners direct the series. Will they get as many seasons as Clone Wars? Who knows. I've actually seen a rumor about ANOTHER Star Wars animated series in the past couple of weeks.
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Part of me feels the Corellian Corvette was something to throw us off... Just a suspicion. Then again I could see the show not really being that clever, too, and just making it Bail.
I watch Rebels, but I have to say I've not been impressed. Top to bottom, it's much more boring than Clone Wars was. I tune in almost more to see the background and vehicles than the story. :-X
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I hope Darth Vader will now appear in some episodes really soon.
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I think that Fulcrum is Ashoka Tano. One of the crates had markings on it similar to those on her head..thingies.
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Yeah, I really feel like the CR90's and the Bail tease are just to throw people off. I'm not sure Fulcrum is Ahsoka... And I wonder what the Fulcrum name's significance is and if it plays into who the character ultimately is, but either way I'm really reluctant to say it's Bail (or Leia, by default)... I'm definitely leaning towards it being something more important and less obvious.
And if EU's any indication, there's an abundance of Corellian Corvettes and a myriad of variants of them, all around the galaxy, and in play by both sides and everyone in between... I've gotta say though that it's one of the few aspects of the show to actually build a little interest. Who is Fulcrum? Who knows. The Clone Wars base makes one think it's someone who had ties to the era though, as well... and the military aspect of the war.
I'm wondering now... Will other things turn up, from that era? What about the Polis Massaan and their weird moon base? I'd dig seeing them turn up as a founding species of the Alliance.
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Considering the overall tenor of the show and the audience they seem to be aiming at, I tend to think they will just go with the obvious...Fulcrum = Bail. It's not exactly a burning question IMO though, I'd be more interested to get the backstory on the Inquisitor or Ezra's parents.
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I'm sure we can really just now learn more as only the season progresses.
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The newest episode of STAR WARS REBELS is now available for viewing via the Disney XD app as well as on Disney XD On Demand. This one is called "Idiots Array", which is the name of a particular hand in the Star Wars card game Sabacc. And this episode features at least a couple of guest voice actors that you're bound to enjoy. Check it out!
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The series has me wondering more and more if the crew of the Ghost is going to become more deeply involved with the Alliance. They're basically passing themselves off as a freighter crew that regularly gets involved in "Imperial entanglements". But from the episode with the droids to their rendezvous with the blockade runner, it looks as though "Fulcrum" may actually be Bail Organa. He was overtly shown in the episode with Threepio and R2. And when the crew of the Ghost handed over Seebo, the ship they docked with looked like the same blockade runner from the episode with the droids.
Part of me feels the Corellian Corvette was something to throw us off... Just a suspicion. Then again I could see the show not really being that clever, too, and just making it Bail.
I think Fulcrum is definitely Bail Organa. It's easy to extrapolate that after C-3PO and R2-D2's encounter with them, he learned a great deal about what they were like and started feeding Hera intelligence. At this point in time, the Rebel Alliance is still gathering. They haven't even gained their first major victory yet.
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Eh, what's "their first major victory" though? In EU it was hinted that it simply was taking a Destroyer or two down... Everything is so relative in Star Wars terms, at least to me.
I feel like the Rebellion may be more established than we've seen, and Hera/Kanan's crew is just a tool the Alliance is using. I feel like the wheels were in motion immediately after, or even during the decline of TCW, that what Rebels the show is showing us, is really not the Rebellion at all. I feel like it's just some people who get sucked up into it.
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BTW, I really liked last week's Rebels episode...
I keep forgetting to strike up conversation about any given episode because they seem to be inconsistently airing. One week one, one off... Maybe I'm just confused because I DVR them rather than watch live, but it feels weird like the show is not always new any given week it's on.
Anyway, last week's episode with Lando? That was pretty damn cool... The puffer pig was especially fun, if not odd. I thought the animation of the episode was particularly fun. Lando, as a character, was handled well too, which I was concerned. He really did nothing more than be a smooth talking, kinda pervy guy, who likes to screw people over to get his way. Not a bad guy, just not very honest. See why Han wasn't trustful of him in ESB then. He's not bad, just not very honest if it suits him.
The episode had a good deal of humor, and maybe I liked it more because Hera, Kanan, and Lando felt like the most important characters, while the ones I like the least felt very secondary to the episode.
That said, Ezra and Kanan's exchange over his saber was funny.
I really felt it was one of the better episodes the show has had so far. Overall well done.
For the curious, Jayson at Yakface put a Puffer Pig container up online for people to download and print out on card stock if they wanted to. It was on Twitter. Pretty slick and not sure how he did it so easily. Jayson's pretty good with the photoshop work. :P
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I think Fulcrum is definitely Bail Organa.
I have the feeling it's Leia. And I was under the impression that Fulcrum was presented as a long-time contact of Hera's.
My 5-year old has really been enjoying these episodes more and more. The yoda episode was riveting stuff for him, even if we grown ups could see what was going on immediately. Seeing Lando blew him away, too. (Ask him who Lando is and he'll tell you he blew up Death Star II. )
I like it so far...fun throwaway stuff.
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I think it's improved as it has gone along. I'd like to see them focus a little more the ladies and a little less on the Jedi though. Or at least less on Ezra. I really REALLY don't like him, or Zeb, all that much. All the other characters seem very well laid out, but Ezra's coming off a lot more like whiny Luke, and a lot less like hero Luke. And Zeb, I get he's a Chewbacca-ish character, but I guess I'd prefer them (much like I would've preferred Jar Jar this way) to have had a character who then didn't speak in a cockney accent and just spoke his own language and someone inferred his lines, more or less.
I think that adds to a character like that.
It worked for Chewbacca, it works for droids, and it works for Kenny, so I just wish Star Wars embraced it more in the cartoon/kiddie world I guess.
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I'd like to see them focus a little more the ladies and a little less on the Jedi though. Or at least less on Ezra.
Ezra is the favorite character of my four year old... which should tell you everything you need to know why he's the focus of this kids cartoon on Disney's XD channel. ;)
As for Fulcrum, I still like this theory best...
I think that Fulcrum is Ashoka Tano.
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Yeah I've just not gotten into Ezra as much. There's potential for him to appeal to adults too but I dunno if this show will ever get to Clone Wars levels in that way. It's a very different formula obviously.
I am leaning to the Ashoka theory too, regarding Fulcrum... I'm ok with that and her having a heavy hand in the Rebellions formation... Could set up her demise nicely as well.
I wish other characters could crop up like Ahsoka... Fallen Jedi and such from EU. Feel like it's all a pipe dream to even consider but a villain like Jerec would be a neat surprise if he just even was hinted as being out there somewhere.
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Billy Dee is talking Star Wars and stating he'll be returning to the series...
I kinda dig Lando as a sympathizer but with his own issues to deal with. It'd tie in well to his character by ESB. However, I thought some of his voice-acting was on the weaker side. :-\ Not a huge deal in a kid's toon, but annoying to me anyway.
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However, I thought some of his voice-acting was on the weaker side. :-\ Not a huge deal in a kid's toon, but annoying to me anyway.
I couldn't agree more. I don't know if it was his voice over or the animation they used, but there was something off with his character. I did like the nod to one of the original Jabba concept drawings though. They are doing such a great job of including OT concept art in this series. That's what keeps me coming back more than the stories...
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Wow. Last night's episode was a little gruesome. Luckily, my four-year old didn't realize the inquisitor decapitated those two officers.
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Wow. Last night's episode was a little gruesome. Luckily, my four-year old didn't realize the inquisitor decapitated those two officers.
I'd say last night's episode was probably the best. having Tarkin on made it dark and I loved how he is making his subordinates answerable. Perhaps we need some episodes with Vader and this ruthless Tarkin so that we can see why Vader is like his lap dog in ANH.
The only thumbs down was the antenna array's set-up (Mickey Mouse silhouette?).
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Everything is better if Tarkin is in it!!
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Rebels really managed to nail Tarkin. And the voice actor was great, too. I hope the series can continue to feature Tarkin for some time to come. He makes the Empire far more sinister than we've seen so far. And the bumbling keystone cop-like Imperials getting dispatched by the Inquisitor upped the ante.
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Everything is better if Tarkin is in it!!
I agree. Bacon with Tarkin, beer with Tarkin...
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Wow. Last night's episode was a little gruesome. Luckily, my four-year old didn't realize the inquisitor decapitated those two officers.
Yeah, that was a little departure from the usual kid-friendly nature of the show.
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I'd say last night's episode was probably the best.
I enjoyed it too, although it was funny that my kids said they didn't like the ending. I don't think they liked Kanan being captured and there being no resolution for his escape.
Rebels doesn't usually have cliffhangers. Just simple 30 minute stories. Even when the story arcs carry over from show to show they don't have a big cliffhanger.
The only thing that kind of bugs me about Rebels is that they spend so much time on Lothal. I think it would be a lot more interesting if they traveled to neighboring systems more.
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Watched last night and my 4-year old (Kellan) was NOT digging Kanan being tortured... he was NOT happy the gang hasn't rescued him yet.
I compared it to my 6-year old self being super-pissed about Han Solo ending up in Carbonite and no one saving him. At least Kellan won't have to wait three years to see Kanan finally get saved... :P
And, I'm still pretty convinced that Fulcrum is Ahsoka... or at least I'm hoping that's the way they go.
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The past two episodes actually frightened my four-year old a bit. But his favorite movie is ESB...go figure. :D
I disagree, I think Fulcrum is Bail Organa.
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So Hera's dad is this dude?
(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/02/cham-syndulla-clone-wars-img-720x405.jpg)
Huh? Cool.
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More craziness I'm finding out just now...
Gull Trayvis, the traitorous plant by the Empire to lure out cells of resistance, is voiced by none other than Lt. Commander Data, Brent Spiner! Friggin' neat there.
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150204050219/starwars/images/a/a0/GallTrayvis.png)
And also PW himself voiced RX-24 "Captain Rex" Droid in the Droids in Distress episode?
More holy ****... Peter McNicol from Ghost Busters II and Alley MacBeil played the Lobot-like Rodian dude Tseebo? Wow.
Holy **** my mind is blown right now.
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I'm surprised Fulcrum is even a person. I thought it was just going to be a "contact" that Hera hadn't actually ever talked to in person or holographically.
I thought it would just be a plot device and all the discussion on who it was would be wasted.
I'm still hoping its just a plot device and not tied to anyone we know in the Star Wars universe. I don't like how everything has to be magically linked somehow.
The Star Wars universe has to have a population of quadrillions of sentient beings, but it seems like everyone is somehow tied together through only a couple of degrees of separation, without Kevin Bacon being involved.
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So Hera's dad is this dude?
(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/02/cham-syndulla-clone-wars-img-720x405.jpg)
Huh? Cool.
Yeah, Good ole Cham...I always assumed but nice of them to confirm officially.
I wonder if that was supposed to be Fulcrum's actual voice in the last episode or it was supposed to be electronically masked in some way. Was definitely not Ahsoka or Bail's voice.
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Yeah, Good ole Cham...I always assumed but nice of them to confirm officially.
So... is Hera in those Ryloth CW episodes as a little girl then? Might have to rewatch those and see if any match up.
I thought it was just going to be a "contact" that Hera hadn't actually ever talked to in person or holographically.
I thought one of the episodes was pretty clear that Hera (and Hera alone) had met Fulcrum in person. The episode where Sabine wanted more info on the rebels... was it "Out of Darkness" maybe?
Yeah, I think it was that episode. Hera goes to meet Fulcrum on a CR90 corvette, which is why folks think it's Bail/Leia since they both used CR90s. Fulcrum could definitely be Bail/Leia/Mon Mothma and it wouldn't be a surprise.
Still though, I'm drawn to the idea (and hoping it's true) that Fulcrum is Ahsoka. This may end up being red herrings from Filoni, but this is my favorite Fulcrum = Ahsoka hint so far: Hera recognized this crate as being marked for her by Fulcrum... notice the "mark" matches Ahsoka's head?
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150226000124/starwars/images/thumb/0/00/Fulcrum_Crate.png/250px-Fulcrum_Crate.png) (http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121211040147/starwars/images/thumb/0/03/AhsokaHS-AFiN.png/400px-AhsokaHS-AFiN.png)
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I watched the Supply Lines episode with Cham and the little twi'lek, didn't really look like Hera. Skin color and head tail markings were different, but I suppose it could be explained away by the difference in animation or they retcon twi'lek physiology and say their colors and markings change as they age.
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More craziness I'm finding out just now...
Gull Trayvis, the traitorous plant by the Empire to lure out cells of resistance, is voiced by none other than Lt. Commander Data, Brent Spiner! Friggin' neat there.
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150204050219/starwars/images/a/a0/GallTrayvis.png)
I had to search back when I watched the Gull Trayvis episode to confirm that Brent Spiner did the voice acting there. That was a pleasant surprise, even if the character was being used by the Empire to ferret out Rebel cells.
I had a sneaking suspicion that Hera was related in some way Cham Syndulla from the Ryloth story arc in CLONE WARS. It just seems a little odd for the show to not explore that at all in the context of the storyline, and we got confirmation of that fact by watching a Q&A with Pablo Hidalgo on Rebels Recon.
I watched the Supply Lines episode with Cham and the little twi'lek, didn't really look like Hera. Skin color and head tail markings were different, but I suppose it could be explained away by the difference in animation or they retcon twi'lek physiology and say their colors and markings change as they age.
The young Twilek's name who Obi-Wan, Waxer and Boil dealt with on Ryloth was named Numa.
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Still though, I'm drawn to the idea (and hoping it's true) that Fulcrum is Ahsoka. This may end up being red herrings from Filoni...
You would hope that if there were a Jedi (Ahsoka) so closely linked to The Ghost crew that Ahsoka would have pulled Kanan and Ezra aside and tried to train them.
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The young Twilek's name who Obi-Wan, Waxer and Boil dealt with on Ryloth was named Numa.
There was a different little girl to which I was referring.
(https://thewookieegunner.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/cham-syndulla01.png)
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My bad. Numa got a fair amount of screen time during that Ryloth story arc.
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You would hope that if there were a Jedi (Ahsoka) so closely linked to The Ghost crew that Ahsoka would have pulled Kanan and Ezra aside and tried to train them.
Ahsoka wasn't on the best of terms with trusting Jedi when she decided to leave the Order. I could see her distancing herself from any Jedi until she knew she could trust them.
(https://thewookieegunner.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/cham-syndulla01.png)
That's the one I was remembering... maybe that's Hera's older sister? Or maybe they will retcon her color change as a Twi'lek puberty thing like you said. :P
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Why does Gull Trayvis look like David Niven? Will the gang try to steal the Pink Panther?
(https://waryears.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/david_niven.jpg) (http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150204050219/starwars/images/a/a0/GallTrayvis.png)
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I like the idea that the CR90's are just to throw you off... I've said it before and will again, in the EU they're like fly dirt, and EVERYONE uses them. The Tantive IV is (was) one of several other Tantive's, the Alliance used one to destroy multiple destroyer command towers in dry dock, the Empire used them... They're everywhere and in even a wide variety of designs.
I like the idea that others have them, and are using them, including perhaps Ahsoka with her own little clique of Rebels perhaps working alongside Mothma, Organa, and other planets that make up the early Alliance.
I like the thought that Hera and the gang really are just a little group getting sucked into something that was in motion long before they got together.
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Season One is wrapping up soon... about 40 mins or so? I'm kind of surprised how little chatter is going on among the collecting world. There are either a lot less folks around than in 2008, or it's just not caught on quite the same TCW did. Remember the grand debates of that year? People loved it, hated it, and there was tons of talk about it.
I'm finding Rebels to be slower, in general, but still interesting. I'm actually watching tonight's episode live rather than DVR'ing it which I usually do. I hate the Monday time slot, personally. But I am intrigued about who they'll reveal, if anyone, and what way they'll wrap the Season One up. I'm almost expecting them to do something actually dramatic. Maybe not... maybe just wishful thinking on my part? I'm hoping for something cool tonight though!
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Good call on Fulcrum.
Vader looks McQuarrie Mask angry.
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OK, so I'm digging how things are shaping up... the group was just one of many cells, being manipulated by the people who formed the early Alliance's leadership basically. That is neat, establishes a lot. Pretty simple.
In the episode, not a snowball's chance this many people fit in a fighter's cockpit like that. It was a plot thing, even brought up in context, but I didn't care for it.
Bit of melodrama to it all, the dialogue and things were a little over the top at times (George sneak in there and do some writing?), but overall the episode was pretty neat, interesting... And to off someone, or seemingly do so, was kind of bold on the show's part.
So, some little technical nitpicks aside, I thought they did a nice little story overall to wrap up the Season One. :) It opens the galaxy up a good deal for Season Two... Hopefully off friggin' Lothal, which has been overused at this point!
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And, I'm still pretty convinced that Fulcrum is Ahsoka... or at least I'm hoping that's the way they go.
Sweet. 8)
Looking back at Season 1, I'm glad it worked out this way. If "Fulcrum" was revealed to be part of this show early on, she would have probably swayed the attention from the new characters. Now, for season 2, she can pop into the story when needed as the contact to the bigger Rebel Alliance and we'll still care about the new guys too.
Too bad we'll never get a Rebels Ahsoka figure #hasbrohatesfemalefigures :P
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I really REALLY liked that Ahsoka "grew up" too. I was worried they'd ignore the Togruta physiological changes for fear of her not being recognizable enough. I liked what they did though.
I didn't like that apparently she's like Nancy and Sluggo and her wardrobe is that same outfit she left the Jedi Order in.
As a sort of fallen Jedi, are people aware of her status? Has Bail (who was sorta friendly with OWK) let Obi know she's made contact and is helping? Or does everyone basically ignore Yoda and OWK at this point?
People think OT cameos are cool, and I liked the Lando one (it wasn't too bad at all), but I personally hate them. I hate the thought that they'll cross paths with Han and Chewie (I just know they're going to), or maybe a young Luke, or Boba Fart & his cronies... that stuff gets to me.
However, I'd kinda dig seeing them cross paths with TCW characters more. Some Mandalorians (especially with Sabine's armor and assumed background with them), maybe a surviving Clone or two? I'd kinda dig seeing some stuff like that, over OT cameos that just feel forced and unnecessary.
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Too bad we'll never get a Rebels Ahsoka figure #hasbrohatesfemalefigures :P
Well, that didn't take long - don't know if they are basic figures or Mission Series, but Ahsoka/Vader figures are coming this Fall! (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/03/03/star-wars-rebels-season-finale-exclusive/24245017) :D
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/774f35f645ddb900e8ced4268288bf6e1c2f1c1c/c=0-99-2197-1751&r=x383&c=540x380/local/-/media/2015/03/02/USATODAY/USATODAY/635609291983368805-Hasbro-Rebels-Ahsoka-and-Darth-Vader-Action-Figures-1-.jpg)
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The article has nice S2 Tidbits too, like Vader and Ahsoka won't be used heavily because it doesn't make sense to show Vader losing all the time and stuff. Good to hear.
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I went from really disliking this show to being super psyched about it going forward thanks to these last three episodes
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I had been overseas for most of the fall so I've been catching up on the show lately. I was very unsure about the early episodes. Very wobbly on its new legs. But these last three episodes have really found their stride and tonight was excellent. I actually did three total fanboy 'Yeah's!' in a row - the arrival of the Rebel ships, Ahsoka and Vader. I knew about Vader, but it's Vader. Seeing Ahsoka again was fantastic, and reading the little bit in USA Today gives me a lot of optimism that the character will be well served and that we won't actually see what I think a lot of people expect, which is her demise by Vader. I have a feeling we'll see Ahsoka well into her old age, and these sequel movies they're making. I have tons of thoughts on why that's a great idea, but for now, I'm very excited about the future of Rebels, which I initially viewed as something of a stop gap to get people over until the movie. I never expected them to get into Ahsoka or any CW characters, at least so early, or apparently transition to Vader as a semi-regular antagonist. Couple thoughts on the episode:
* I love the white sabers reflecting her non-allegiance as well. Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi and that's another reason I think her story will and should continue into the ST era, where the restoration of the Jedi Order would seem to be a pivotal plot point.
* I enjoy the little heists and 'distractions' the team pulls off but the ineffectiveness of the Stormtroopers becomes increasingly a liability to the idea of the Empire being any sort of competent threat. I like they've made the troopers a little human ('not again') but it drifts towards the Battle Droid hokeyness that destroyed them as credible antagonists. I get troopers are classically challenged when it comes to their aim, but c'mon man.
* What did Tarkin take Kanan to Mustafar for?
* Hopefully they stick to the Inquisitor being dead. I expect they will (why have one when you can have more). Also like that absolutely ridiculous saber of his got him killed in the end. Bottom line, he needed to die; he couldn't even kill a kid who stood there not knowing what to do with a lightsaber.
* Man, those TIE cockpits sure got smaller by the time we got to ANH, right?
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Haven't seen the episode yet due to being overseas right now...but...I still can't get over my loathing of the idea of Ahsoka. I am still half thinking she will show up in Episode VII as well. Call me a canonist or a purist or close minded or whatever it was a dumb idea to begin with. HOWEVER, since she isn't mentioned in the OT and Kenobi's speech about Vader hunting down the Jedi sets up a possible cool scenario down the road. Vader offing his former student and ending her run in SW shoe horned history.
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I hope that Vader runs into Ahsoka, and calls her snips before he kills her.
I know a lot of you are excited to see her in the new series, but the Clone Wars series with her in it was pretty terrible most of the time and I was hoping they would move away from it....far away.
Overall I like this series, and this episode was great. The best part about it is my four-year old likes it and it will get him excited for Episode VII.
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Call me a canonist or a purist or close minded or whatever it was a dumb idea to begin with.
Cannonist! >:(
I like the idea of Vader being the one to take out Ahsoka... but there's probably too much money in Ahsoka staying alive for her to be taken out like that.
If we're guessing her fate, I'll guess she was on Alderaan with Bail when it exploded... that's the real reason that Obi-Wan was able to feel it's destruction from so far away. :P
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Season One is wrapping up soon... about 40 mins or so? I'm kind of surprised how little chatter is going on among the collecting world. There are either a lot less folks around than in 2008, or it's just not caught on quite the same TCW did.
I guess all the complaining is happening post-episode about spoilers and what-not. Are people really that self-centered and spoiled themselves? Have they not learned to stay off social media if you haven't watched an episode yet and expect no one to talk about it. I wonder how adults handled it back during the water-cooler chat days?
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Yeah I tended to avoid my twitter feed because I knew
Jayson at Yakface someone would inevitably say stuff I didn't want to read. :P (j/k Jayson, you only got me once this season!)
I DVR it and watch it at my gf's generally because Mondays are bad for me to focus on a TV show and I want to watch it on my big screen there anyway. I caved and watched the finale though because I wanted to join in the conversation afterwards, haha. It's fun too. I haven't felt like talking Star Wars this much in a while.
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Call me a canonist or a purist or close minded or whatever it was a dumb idea to begin with.
Cannonist! >:(
I like the idea of Vader being the one to take out Ahsoka... but there's probably too much money in Ahsoka staying alive for her to be taken out like that.
If we're guessing her fate, I'll guess she was on Alderaan with Bail when it exploded... that's the real reason that Obi-Wan was able to feel it's destruction from so far away. :P
Although the Ahsoka dying on Alderaan is a good one, I doubt that's the reason Obi-Wan could feel it. Millions of voices crying out in terror and being suddenly silenced would create a great disturbance in the Force.
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Bah! I knew I should have watched the episode live last night.
I did a good job of avoiding the Star Wars sites today, but then got an e-mail from Her Universe with the subject of "AHSOKA LIVES!"
I'm going to have to go full Amish next time.
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I remember reading somewhere that one of Lucas's ideas for the ST was to have someone who was hidden or survived the PT come through to the ST and have a large part in plot moving forward. Speculation back in the PT days was that person was going to be Padme...I would put good money on that person is going to be Ahsoka. She is going to survive all of this middle part of the story and come through to the ST and will play a big part. We really don't know what some of the actresses who have been cast for EpVII are playing.
I also really can't put a finger on why she bothers me so much. I guess in my mind it was always just Obi-Wan and Anakin and she seems like a complete marketing ploy. I guess, why do I care? People seem happy about it and I'm happy for them. Now if only Willrow Hood could come back
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I was finally able to watch the episode yesterday. As stories go, that final 3 episode arc was strong. Even though the Inquisitor and Agent Kallus are not to be trifled with, the introduction of Tarkin to the series brought something far more sinister to the Empire. The Imperial Forces seemed to be that much more of a threat with Tarkin's presence. And even the Inquisitor was that much more brutal as well.
It seems like this crisis served to do more for Kanan in terms of deepening his connection with the Force. And he's becoming a far better teacher to Ezra in the process. And his lightsaber duel with the Inquisitor? The setting absolutely brought you back to the Theed duel from EPISODE I. But there the similarities ended. Ezra is more youngling than a proper Padawan, and I think he was very much out of his depth and couldn't match up with the Inquisitor. But Kanan did some things in that duel that were very much remarkable. When Ezra fell I almost thought that Kanan was going to tap into the Dark Side. But seeing him use that to center himself in the Force also seemed to help him get past the demons he had associated with the loss of his master, Depa Billaba. And his use of Ezra's lightsaber / blaster in the duel was actually really clever.
I think the Inquisitor HAD to die. And I think he's going to stay dead. He seemed resigned to his death with his final words. And I suspect that was directly related to his own fear of both Darth Vader and the Emporer. Plus, I don't know how long a series like REBELS could hang onto an actor like Jason Isaacs. Hell, I'm still surprised that they've got David Oyelowo for the part of Agent Kallus. As for the return of Vader? His appearance was a nice bookend to the series. The series launch had that special scene with Vader communicating with the Inquisitor, and to cap things off with the arrival of Vader brings things to a place that we're all familiar with.
The revelation of Ahsoka as Fulcrum was kind of expected. The leaks have been hinting at that for a few weeks now. From a story standpoint I think it makes sense. When we last saw Ahsoka in CLONE WARS we saw her as disaffected with both the Jedi and the Republic. So I can understand her taking part in the Rebellion. It makes sense for her as a character. Part of me is wondering if the show might explore any sort of long standing connection between Ahsoka and Hera or her family. It certainly makes me want to re-watch the CLONE WARS Ryloth story arc to see if there was any interaction between Ahsoka and Hera's father, Cham Syndulla. I was also glad to see Bail Organa in the mix again along with those Blockade Runners. One curious point? The troopers who were awaiting the crew of the Ghost after they docked with the captured Imperial ship. They were actually reminiscent of some Rebel troopers that were in THE FORCE UNLEASHED as part of Rahm Kota's militia.
Going forward? I think we're going to see the crew of the Ghost much more involved in coordinated Rebel Alliance operations. They're probably still going to be involved in some similar ops on Lothal that we saw in Season 1, but those will likely tie-in with broader Alliance missions and other Rebel cells. I hope we get to see some more of Ahsoka and Bail Organa as the second season develops. Will we see Leia? That seems questionable since Leia was relatively young in ANH.
As for the Empire? Bringing Vader into the mix will step things up with the Empire on Lothal. I don't know how much Vader will be directly involved. You would think that as soon as Vader becomes aware of any surviving Jedi that he would personally hunt them down. Could Vader's arrival on Lothal be the catalyst for the crew of the Ghost to become more mobile in their operations? I think that's a real possibility. Especially if Kanan has heard about Vader in the years following Order 66.
One thing that's been a point of contention for me is about how Imperial Inquisitors are Force users. Dave Filoni has talked about this a little bit. And he's specifically said that they are not Sith. I know that the Inquisitors had a role in what is now "Legends" EU, but the only place I recall them popping up was in the Dark Empire storyline. So, can we expect a new Inquisitor to come into the mix following the death of the Pau'an Inquisitor? I'm interested to see what another different Inquisitor might bring to the table for the second season.
Other series notes? I like that we've seen something of a blend between PT era tech and OT tech in the REBELS series. The AT-DP seems like a clear blend between the PT AT-RT and the OT's AT-ST. And there was also the Gunships that we saw in the episode where Kanan was captured. Those were the same class of Gunships that Anakin used on Coruscant as he and the Shock Troopers were trying to track down Ahsoka towards the end of the CLONE WARS series. Things like that do help to establish some continuity that grounds things.
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i'd like to see General Dodanna, Madine, Rieken in the mix. Maybe not as generals, but it'd be nice to see that they deserve the rank and maybe a lil bit how they got there. We saw Akbar in CW so i'm ok without seeing him again. i swear Sarah Gellar is going to be new inquisitor as mara jade 2.0
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Happy to see Ahsoka back in the mix for the cartoon, but will be less pleased if she shows up in the movieverse. I'm still unsure of what Non-Movie material is considered cannon since Disney took over, but it looks like Clone Wars is part of the official timeline now. Personally, I really like both cartoons. I know they're not perfect and often watered down, but they are on par or better than most of what we see in the action cartoon world. Certainly better than the old Droids or Ewoks runs, or the mutlitude of different Transformers cartoons those fans have to deal with.
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I'd dig seeing some Rebels we know, but not all... Not sure on Madine since I kinda like his backstory as it is... Would almost rather see Dodonna and the Yavin guys since a lot of their story is kind of vague. Capt. Antilles would be neat, especially since the ROTS and ANH Antilles are very different dudes, so I'd kinda dig seeing them explain that. Some of the pilots would be cool to see too.
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I haven't really had the chance to come in here during the season to comment, but I've really been enjoying watching Rebels with our daughter. It may just be the time period that I prefer, but it has been fun seeing these adventures unfold. Not a perfect show by any means, but I think it really improved as the season went on and was pretty great by the end.
Like many of you, we sort of predicted the Fulcrum reveal, but it didn't make it any less cool. The fact that they opened up the show to other Rebel factions was neat too, and makes me think we could see more of those OT rebels show up as mentioned already. I know I'm really anxious for Season 2 already, but I'm guessing we have a little bit of a break. I've grown to really like the crew of the Ghost as well, which is an accomplishment with a slate of all new characters. At least CW had familiar faces to lean on, although things really grew from there. Really good finale though, sort of hoping we see more CW characters pop up eventually (Cad Bane, Hondo, Ventress, etc.?)
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Here's what's been on my mind...
We know that Yoda and Obi-Wan and obviously Palpatine know that Vader is Anakin... Is this common knowledge? Does Ashoka know? That could be a cool reveal.
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There are more people who know. Bail Organa has to know...hell Uncle Owen knows! I'm sure R2-D2 knows but won't tell and C-3PO used to know.
I'm willing to bet that Organa didn't tell too many people, but did tell Ahsoka.
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Yeah I think there are maybe several people who know... Tarkin appears quite familiar with Vader as well, and they spent time together in The Clone Wars, and seem almost friendly by the time of ANH. It's a weird dynamic in ANH where Tarkin almost seems to hold rank over Vader in some capacity, and some officers seem to feel they're on his level or above him (Motti). Then by ESB, people are just generally afraid of him, haha.
Tarkin also discusses Kenobi with Vader seemingly being well aware of the entire story there, aside from him having kids of course.
In a recent video the Jedi and people's general unfamiliarity with them is explained away as the lack of numbers for them, so most people never met one. Tarkin emphasizes that in the last story arc of Rebs saying he knew the Jedi, not from stories, but in person. He was there to see them die too, so he knows they're not all-powerful and omnipotent like lil Annie felt they were even in TPM.
I figure not many knew, but some important people still left in the galaxy did, ultimately. I wonder if his identity never really mattered too... Like, why hide who he was? What's it matter? It's good for the story, of course, but was there any logical reason to keep who he was from the public anyway? Even if you propaganda spin the Jedi as trying to overthrow the Republic and stuff, you can always play up Ani/Vader as a hero in stopping it from happening. The Jedi instill anything from fear, to respect, to people being star-struck, to people thinking they're full of **** scammers. It'd be easy to manipulate that against them, and not need to hide who Vader is for any real reason at all.
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In the book "Tarkin", which was released post Disney taking over, so I don't know exactly what that means for canon, Legends, etc. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Tarkin is pretty sure Vader is/was Anakin.
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I've been thinking a bit on Vader's role in the Empire lately with Rebels. I haven't read the Tarkin book, but it always seemed to me he could know. I doubt anyone else does. How could they? Anakin is most likely thought to have died with the rest of the Jedi. You suddenly have this Vader person show up and what is he there for? What is the Inquisitor there for? To hunt Jedi. He's a Force user that the Imperials seem to accept and tolerate despite their institutional mandate to eliminate force users. Vader has to be seen within the Imperial ranks as some sort of (or actual) Inquisitor. Doesn't help the Inquisitor isn't explained well at all in Rebels, and now he's dead. Clearly Vader has cache with the Emperor, but yet Tarkin outranks him. As a Moff, he's only outranked politically by Palpatine (unless I'm missing something). I never got too much into the detail of the EU, but I remember as a kid things like Vader was 'given' command of his Star Destroyer; Vader was 'sent' to oversee the completion of the DS II. Vader absolutely projects fear throughout the ranks but the evidence seems to suggest he has little actual command over them.
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I think that within the Empire Darth Vader is regarded as the Emporer's enforcer. He is to be respected and feared. As for who may know that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker? I suspect that list of people is REALLY short. As for who that includes following the events of Episode III?
-Yoda
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
-Bail Organa
-Palpatine
-R2-D2
People who may or may not know? I suspect that Tarkin's previous familiarity with Anakin during the Clone Wars and subsequent relationship with him as Vader has keyed him in on that secret in the time between ROTS and ANH. And Tarkin's dialogue with Vader during ANH makes it clear that he knows of Vader's past. As for Uncle Owen? Clearly he knows Anakin and that he was a Jedi from their time on the homestead in AOTC. But I suspect that for the safety of Luke it's very likely that Obi-Wan did not share the whole truth about Padme and Anakin's fates in an effort to protect Owen, Beru and Luke. Owen knew that Anakin was a Jedi. But based on the what Obi-Wan initially told Luke about how Vader betrayed and murdered his father, I suspect that he told something similar to Owen as well.
So, will Ahsoka come to know this too if her character gets a more substantial role in the show? Based on her contact with Bail Organa that's entirely possible. But would Bail risk telling Anakin's former padawan? He never told his own adopted daughter about her true parentage.
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Why do we think anyone knows? Obi-Wan can probably sense it and maybe Yoda, but they're supposedly living out a very exiled existence out of contact from anyone else. The Emperor used droids to build the Vader armor, so how would anyone make the link back to Anakin?
Tarkin - maybe since they work so closely at times and he's close to the Emperor. But I'd also bet he's not smart enough to ask or reveal it to anyone else.
Ahsoka - maybe if she comes in contact with Vader, but it's not like the Jedi can just mind read everyone in the galaxy. Vader can't really get a feel for Luke in the movies unless he's close by.
R2-D2 & C3PO - no evidence that either has a clue who Vader is. They're clearly afraid of Vader, but I don't see any reason why they would know he was Anakin at this point.
Bail Organa - he knows about Leia and the Jedi of old, so he's got an inside track. But what link does he have to knowing Vader is Anakin? Unless Obi/Yoda have shared with him, but when they split with the twins, I'm not sure even they know Vader is alive. I took that Obi left him for dead in ROTS.
Owen & Beru - I'd be shocked if they knew. They clearly knew Anakin had a dark side and very likely knew about the Tusken camp slaughter. I think that's why Owen doesn't want Luke to become like his father - not because he knows the Vader connection.
I'm more shocked that people didn't recognize Luke from his last name. Anakin Skywalker was probably all over the holo news during the clone wars. With only a generation going by, you'd think Luke Skywalker's name would have gotten around as having some potential connection. Maybe he was too isolated and young to register, but you'd think Imperial intelligence would be on the lookout for anyone potentially related to Jedi heritage (Kenobis, Windus, etc.).
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Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda both saw the security recordings of Anakin taking part in the massacre at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.
ANAKIN: The traitors have been taken care of, Lord Sidious.
DARTH SlDIOUS: Good . . . good . . . You have done well, my new apprentice. Do you feel your power growing?
ANAKIN: Yes, My Master.
DARTH SlDIOUS: Now, Lord Vader, now go and bring peace to the Empire.
OBI-WAN watches in horror. Tears well up in his eyes.
OBI-WAN: I can't watch any more.
OBI-WAN switches off the hologram. The TWO JEDI stand in silence for a few moments.
YODA: Destroy the Sith, we must.
OBI-WAN: Send me to kill the Emperor. I will not kill Anakin.
YODA: To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough, you are not.
OBI-WAN: He is like my brother ... I cannot do it.
YODA: Twisted by the dark side, young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone he is . . . Consumed by Darth Vader.
OBI-WAN: How could it have come to this?
YODA: To question, no time there is.
OBI-WAN: I do not know where the Emperor has sent him. I don't know where to look.
YODA: Use your feelings, Obi-Wan, and find him, you will. Visit the new Emperor, my task is. May the Force be with you.
OBI-WAN: May the Force be with you, Master Yoda.
That's from the script, and not necessarily the dialogue from the theatrical release. But in ROTS Yoda does call Anakin 'Darth Vader'. After the duel on Mustafar I think that Obi-Wan truly thought Anakin was dead. But he and Yoda also knew that he had taken on this mantle of Darth Vader. It stands to reason that following his exile Obi-Wan likely came across some sort of information about the Emporer's apprentice, Darth Vader. Especially since he was hunting down Jedi. Obi-Wan alluded to that much during the conversation in his hut with Luke in ANH. Still, I think there was a sense of shock on Obi-Wan's face when he finally saw Vader on the Death Star in ANH. More because of Vader's menacing appearance than by the revelation of his survival.
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I kind of agree. I think that at the end of RotS, Obi-Wan and Yoda know that Anakin turned and became Darth Vader. I also think they believe that Darth Vader died on Mustafar, only to learn later that he survived and is hunting Jedi.
I could see them sharing this info with Organa, but it could also be argued that the less Organa knows being near Palpatine the better. I definitely don't think that Owen and Beru knew. They knew that they didn't want (or Obi-Wan didn't want) Luke going off-world. They knew Anakin and probably what Anakin did to the Sandpeople.
For the sake of a cool reveal, I don't think that Ashoka knows, and it should be a cool moment (S2 finale?) when it is revealed. I also hope that Vader ends up destroying Ashoka, maybe even in a raid for some information (Death Star Plans anyone?). It would be a cool arc for the character that is ultimately tragic
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...Or, as has been suggested, Ahsoka is presumed dead, then shows up much older in Episode 7.
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One funny thing about the Inquisitors death in the Season 1 finale. I got a sneaking feeling that the Inquisitor might die about a week before the episode aired. And you know what clued me in on that? Toys R Us put those 31" Jakks Pacific Inquisitor figures on clearance!
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Why do we think anyone knows? Obi-Wan can probably sense it and maybe Yoda, but they're supposedly living out a very exiled existence out of contact from anyone else. The Emperor used droids to build the Vader armor, so how would anyone make the link back to Anakin?
I agree. Outside of Obi-Wan and Yoda, I don't think anyone necessarily knows who Darth Vader is. And unless they told Bail and the droids (why would they?), then I don't think anyone else knows.
Granted, I haven't read many of the EU books, so there might be something else I'm missing.
Ultimately I don't think it matters to 99.99% of the characters as all they need to know is that The Emperor has a new bad-ass enforcer. Nobody really needs to know where he came from and what his pod-race records are.
I think Ashoka is about the only main character that has any real ties to Anakin. So if there is a reveal of Vader's origins, I don't think it would really matter to anyone but her.
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Nobody really needs to know where he came from and what his pod-race records are.
Haha! Thanks for the Monday morning chuckle.
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Anybody know what the story line is with the Wookiee Gunship (as produced by Lego) for Rebels? Was this a story line that was cut from Season 1, or will be shown for Season 2?
My kids really like the ship, but keep asking me what the story is with this ship.
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Anybody know what the story line is with the Wookiee Gunship (as produced by Lego) for Rebels? Was this a story line that was cut from Season 1, or will be shown for Season 2?
My kids really like the ship, but keep asking me what the story is with this ship.
IIRC, the Wookiee Gunship was at the end of Spark of Rebellion. After the Wookiees were rescued, the gunship was docked with The Ghost and as they said their goodbyes.
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Yes, it was in the show, but insanely briefly. Kinda funny it got a toy.
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I think the toy companies must get schematics in advance of the final shows to produce them in time. They probably either just plucked one that they liked or maybe the original storyline had more of Gunship planned for that episode. There aren't a lot of other Rebels ships that Lego could make at that price point.