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Multimedia => The Prequel Trilogy => Topic started by: Jayson on January 28, 2013, 03:58 PM
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http://www.deadline.com/2013/01/exclusive-no-more-star-wars-3d-prequel-releases-lucasfilm-passes-to-focus-on-new-trilogy/
Hasbro can't catch a break can they.
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I hope this just means AOTC-3D and ROTS-3D.
I would have loved to take my boys to see 4/5/6 on the big screen (3D or no 3D) in 2014 order to get them ready for Episode 7 in 2015. Leave it to TPM to ruin yet another thing... ::)
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Confirmed (http://starwars.com/news/focusing-on-star-wars-episode-vii-lucasfilm-postpones-episodes-ii-and-iii-3d.html) - 3D releases postponed
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::)
Star Wars is getting stupid to me, and I hate that feeling.
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Postponed. More like post-pwned!
I think licensees should jump ship until the sequels. Seriously, Lucasfilm/Disney, you've screwed them over. You've changed release dates once, now got them doing two different packaging looks...for nothing.
I like there's a link at the starwars.com page for the Jar Jar sound board on that page. "Dissen Berry Berry Bad..."
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Interesting that SW.com said postponed instead of canceled.
I'm curious why many of the media outlets claim that TPM 3D underperformed. How much was it supposed to make? It was a 1999 film that was just released on Blu Ray a few months prior that many people already owned on DVD and VHS. Was it supposed it gross 100 million domestically?
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Oddly enough, I am a bit bummed that I won't be able to see ROTS in 3D. That was the one I thought would look coolest in the format, plus I just wanted to see it again on the big screen. Hopefully all six movies, or just the OT, get re-released as special limited engagements. I really enjoyed seeing Raiders in Imax last year, and would love to have that same opportunity with Star Wars.
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By all accounts at the time, LFL needed TPM3D to do a minimum of like $20mil which it barely did that, if I recall... I think it's tough to look at TPM3D and say it did well.
Star Wars is used to re-releasing stuff, and people ******* to it, and they clearly didn't for this. I think they just thought we'd put it out, and everyone would come back and watch. They've really hung onto the notion that TPM was a great film... I don't think you could tell them any different, and then last February they got a wake-up call. I'd not be shocked, at all, if Lucas maybe sped up his retirement plans based on that, just a little bit, in the back of his head.
He's very unapologetic, not that he needed to, but I feel like he honestly didn't believe the criticism of the prequals. He figured they were every bit as good, or better, than the OT, in his mind, and he wasn't really into hearing anything to the contrary.
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That is very interesting. I initially thought that maybe the profits from the 3D re-releases were supposed to fund the sequel trilogy. At one movie a year, that doesn't seem likely though. The Blu-Ray box sets were wildly successful though.
Variety is reporting that Star Wars has sold more than one million units in only a week on the markiet, shattering records for the high-definition format, and further cementing Blu-ray's dominance as the home video format of choice.
Despite an average list price of $79.99, the nine disc set generated more than $84 million in worldwide sales. U.S. sales accounted for $38 million of that total, with 515,000 units sold in North America.
That was September of 2011. Expecting families to shell out 3D ticket prices for TPM just four months later is a tough sell. Still, TPM3D opened to 22m and grossed 44m domestically. It earned 102m worldwide. I'm just not sure what a realistic number would have been to be deemed successful.
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I know I heard something like it had to make 20 or 22 mill for them to continue with the others, and it barely did that in its first weekend, which was at the time considered a failure.
Thinking about it, re-releases for SW were huge. It hadn't been in theaters since 2005, then TPM3D comes out and it's just not the big lines, the excitement... It wasn't here anyway.
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But how many times do you go to the well? If there's one thing I'm confident in the J.J. Abrams era is that they're not going to be pushing crap on us every five seconds. Abrams knows how to build buzz. If Star Wars is constantly available, it loses luster. Look at Disney and its "vault" mentality. Granted, it's an extreme example, but there's got to be a healthy middle ground.
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I'll be among the first ones to say that TPM 3D was underwhelming. But I loved taking my son and his friends to see it on the big screen. And the footage from Ep 2 and 3 looked pretty good. $43,456,382 was the gross for TPM, not terrible given all the factors. But it was promoted heavily and the cost of the release had to be high.
I feel for Hasbro if they have been left out of the loop. And that takes a lot for me to say.
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I can't say that I'm terribly surprised. I skipped TPM in 3D, and didn't really feel all that bad for doing so. Would it be nice to have seen all of the Saga converted to 3D? Sure. But to me, that's a luxury. I think that I'd rather have Lucasfilm/Disney focus more on new Star Wars content than regurgitating and repackaging older content.
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I hope this just means AOTC-3D and ROTS-3D.
I would have loved to take my boys to see 4/5/6 on the big screen (3D or no 3D) in 2014 order to get them ready for Episode 7 in 2015. Leave it to TPM to ruin yet another thing... ::)
I'm kind of in the same boat as Jeff, I was more so looking forward to seeing the OT on the big screen again (even if it wasn't in 3D). I took my daughter to see TPM in 3D last year, and she loved it. I don't even know if it was because of the 3D (and she had seen TPM at home before), but just the whole "event" of going to see Star Wars at the theater. With some of the info. that has leaked about with the new movie and Disney's stance on SW, it seems they really prefer the tone and to focus on the Original Trilogy as far as their backing, so maybe it is still possible to get re-releases of the OT next year or something? Maybe not likely, but fingers crossed.
For as much as we complain, you seriously almost have to feel bad for Hasbro. It has to be so tough for them to plan a SW line these days with the combination of things going on. I almost wouldn't be surprised (or blame them) if they just packed things up or did re-releases until the Episode 7 stuff hits. Plus the fact that if they do stick to the 2015 release, it may be difficult to get things ready to go by the time they get actors cast (and scanned), vehicle pics/schematics, etc. for the new movie(s). They usually have more lead time than that I believe, right?
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My, how the worm has turned. Maybe now we might see a little love for the one DEPENDABLE ongoing Star Wars media property, a little show I like to call The Clone Wars.
Sounds like we might have room for a Season Seven now!
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I would've gladly gone to see AOTC 3D and ROTS 3D... I don't care for TPM as I get older, but I still like AOTC and ROTS, and even with TPM not being something I'll sit and watch when it's on TV as much as I used to, I'd still go see it in the theaters in 3D if they were just releasing it next week or something.
The biggest disappointment, for me, is the OT. I was really anxious to see them in any format, just so long as it was in a theater.
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Like most of you, I would love to take my daughter to the theater and enjoy the movies with her...3-D or not. She just turned 4 and has seen all 6 movies and loves A New Hope. It's the one she always requests (the one where they jump in the garbage) behind Empire (she wants to see the turtles (AT-ATs) and "I'm your father"). After watching these with her after a long time of not seeing them all together, the Prequels have a lot of violence and scary parts than the OT, where the violence is quick or death is essentially a TIE fighter or X/Y-Wing blowing up. And I always feel a sense of adventure in the OT where the heroes don't look for action, it comes to them and they respond to adversity.
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That is very interesting. I initially thought that maybe the profits from the 3D re-releases were supposed to fund the sequel trilogy. At one movie a year, that doesn't seem likely though. The Blu-Ray box sets were wildly successful though.
Variety is reporting that Star Wars has sold more than one million units in only a week on the markiet, shattering records for the high-definition format, and further cementing Blu-ray's dominance as the home video format of choice.
Despite an average list price of $79.99, the nine disc set generated more than $84 million in worldwide sales. U.S. sales accounted for $38 million of that total, with 515,000 units sold in North America.
That was September of 2011. Expecting families to shell out 3D ticket prices for TPM just four months later is a tough sell. Still, TPM3D opened to 22m and grossed 44m domestically. It earned 102m worldwide. I'm just not sure what a realistic number would have been to be deemed successful.
This is why I cringe when people call TPM 3D a failure. It was not a failure at the box office. It made far more than other similar 3D-ified rereleases. The fact that "people" hate TPM jades objective opinion. The Phantom Menace was a phenomenal success. TPM 3D performed quite well for what it was. Retconning either into "bomb" territory just does not hold water.
The issue is HASBRO overestimated the demand for TPM merch and it torpedoed everything since. I refuse to believe this was LFL's fault since it isn't like TPM 3D merch hung around forever in other market segments.
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As much as I think I would have enjoyed the 3D moves...
I'm kinda flip flopping my answer around. On positive note, by " postponing " the 3D movies, I'm hoping the break in the action will have audiences craving a new Star Wars movie even more!
5 3D movies put out in just 2 years may dilute the anticipation a bit??? I think this makes it even more of an "event" than it does "just aother movie".
We'll see.
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I didn't care that TPM was in 3D, I saw it solely for the fact that I could once again watch a Star Wars movie on the big screen. To me, that was very nostalgic - especially the Darth Maul vs. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan duel.
While I can't necessarily say that I'm slayed by the fact that the 3D re-releases are postponed, I am very sad that I can't see ROTS on the big screen again. That's the one I wanted to see the most on the big screen again!! The Mustafar duel in 3D... that would've been amazing.
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That is very interesting. I initially thought that maybe the profits from the 3D re-releases were supposed to fund the sequel trilogy. At one movie a year, that doesn't seem likely though. The Blu-Ray box sets were wildly successful though.
At the time, that was the plan... Just because it's close together doesn't mean that how they performed, and at what level they performed, didn't directly dictate whether they went further with PT3D films.
That was a fairly well-known thing at the time... If TPM3D did a minimum, to them, then AOTC3D would happen... But "doing well" for Star Wars cannot be compared to much else when you think about it. Especially when one doing well by their standards is what the next one is hinged upon.
I saw TPM3D and enjoyed it well enough... I still think TPM3D sucks.
This is why I cringe when people call TPM 3D a failure. It was not a failure at the box office. It made far more than other similar 3D-ified rereleases. The fact that "people" hate TPM jades objective opinion. The Phantom Menace was a phenomenal success. TPM 3D performed quite well for what it was. Retconning either into "bomb" territory just does not hold water.
Again, whether it's a failure or not was dependant on your POV... To LFL, it underperformed because it barely met its minimums they were calling for, to continue with AOTC3D and so forth... I think the latter would've done better. Likewise, for Star Wars, I think it did poorly... TPM was a success at the box office, but it's not held up well, and TPM3D was NOT a success to LFL at the box office... I think they really anticipated more. I think Lucas overestimated his fan-base for Star Wars on that one.
The issue is HASBRO overestimated the demand for TPM merch and it torpedoed everything since. I refuse to believe this was LFL's fault since it isn't like TPM 3D merch hung around forever in other market segments.
First, I've never argued that Hasbro overestimated anything... That's obviosu to anyone. Guess who else made that mistake though? Pepsi, Frito Lay, Kellogs or whoever was doing that, McDonalds, etc... Like I said, if it was just Hasbro you'd maybe have some argument, but all those companies sank money in, and I think all of them probably saw an underperformance from what I saw out at retail with all that stuff around long after TPM3D was relevant.
I could be wrong, maybe they did great. Hasbro overestimated sure, but they don't do that on a whim regardless. They do it at LFL's pressure that X, Y, or Z is the next big thing. That's a symbiotic relationship people can't just dismiss.
In all my years dealing with Hasbro, never have I seen them go nuts making something without LFL having some hand in it... They push the company to support their latest projects heavily. That's just not the case. :)
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AotC 3D lives... if you're going to Celebration Europe this summer, that is. (http://www.starwarscelebration.eu/en/Whats-Happening/Events-A-H/Attack-of-the-Clones-in-3D/)
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Wonder if it'll see the light of day here?
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I'd still go see it... For all the PT bashing, I'd go just because it's Star Wars in a theater, so yeah, I'd watch.
I thought TPM 3D actually looked ok. Maybe I just don't know any better but I enjoyed it.
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I'd still go see it... For all the PT bashing, I'd go just because it's Star Wars in a theater, so yeah, I'd watch.
I thought TPM 3D actually looked ok. Maybe I just don't know any better but I enjoyed it.
Ditto. Would be cool to see the battle of Geonosis in 3D.
I get that they wanted to show them in order, but I think the 3-D gimmick would have worked better if they had released 4-5-6 then 1-2-3. TPM is most people's least favorite SW movie, so not an ideal lead off to SW 3D IMO.
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AotC is my least favorite SW film. That said, I would have liked to have seen this. I wanted to put together a set of those LE 3D glasses.
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The whole conversion of non 3D movies to 3D is pretty awful. It's like watching a movie through a view master. Can't this 3D fad just die?
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I thought the 3D in TPM was pretty well done. It is hit or miss though. I saw Iron Man and Star Trek in 3D. IM was not worth it, ST was pretty good.
ETA: 3D is hugely profitable for theaters and studios. It isn't going anywhere.
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I thought the 3D in TPM was pretty well done. It is hit or miss though. I saw Iron Man and Star Trek in 3D. IM was not worth it, ST was pretty good.
ETA: 3D is hugely profitable for theaters and studios. It isn't going anywhere.
Not for Theaters so much... they make very little on the movies themselves. Theaters make money from concessions.
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I thought the 3D in TPM was pretty well done. It is hit or miss though. I saw Iron Man and Star Trek in 3D. IM was not worth it, ST was pretty good.
ETA: 3D is hugely profitable for theaters and studios. It isn't going anywhere.
Not for Theaters so much... they make very little on the movies themselves. Theaters make money from concessions.
Really? Have you seen how much more a theater can charge for exhibiting a 3-D movie as compared to a 2-D movie?
AMC theaters shows their ticket pricing on their website. And in my market, adult tickets for a 3-D version of a movie now go for $17. That's opposed to the $13 adult admission for a 2-D showing. So where is the upcharge in costs for theaters that would erase this 30% (or so) increase in ticket prices?
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I wanted to see ST in 3D because I have heard rave things about it's 3D... The gf doesn't care for that though, so I'll be seeing it 2D. Oh well.
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In addition, 3D penetration into homes hasn't hit a huge level yet so 3D is an attraction to moviegoers. Even if all that up-charge goes to studios (which is obviously not the case) then additional butts in seats equals more over-priced concessions.
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(I posted this in the SW Universe section too--it may be slightly more appropriate here hence the crosspost)
SW.com: Revenge of the Sith 3D ... Announced for Star Wars Celebration (http://www.starwars.com/news/revenge-of-the-sith-3d-coming-to-star-wars-celebration)
Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith, in all its Order 66ing glory, will make its 3D debut at Star Wars Celebration in Anaheim, coming April 16-19, 2015. Fans will be the first to see this long-awaited, big-screen 3D conversion by Lucasfilm, completed with care for the look of the original movie while taking advantage of 3D’s stunning possibilities. Revenge of the Sith was originally released in 2005, and brought the Star Wars saga full circle with an action-packed, visually-stunning, emotional story. The film sees the final machinations of Darth Sidious’ evil plot come to pass — and features lots (and lots) of lightsaber duels, dogfights, and Clone Wars battles. With all this, Revenge of the Sith 3D promises to be a great experience, and one that even a Sith could love. (Anakin versus Obi-Wan in 3D, anyone?)
But that’s not all — all the Star Wars films will screen at Star Wars Celebration, including The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones in 3D.
TL;DR: The 3D versions of Episodes II and III created and shelved several years ago will finally be dumped off onto the Celebration audience
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Interesting that it is "EPISODE 3 IN 3D!!!!!!. Oh, and also EII as well." Even they know that AotC is the weakest SW film.
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People seem to forget that AOTC 3D was already dumped off onto the Celebration audience. It made its "debut" at Celebration Europe II.
AotC 3D lives... if you're going to Celebration Europe this summer, that is. (http://www.starwarscelebration.eu/en/Whats-Happening/Events-A-H/Attack-of-the-Clones-in-3D/)
That's why the announcement focuses on ROTS 3D - it's the film being shown for the first time... the other two (Ep1 3D, Ep2 3D) have already been screened publicly.
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If it's not in America, it doesn't count.
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That's my motto.
I'd liked to have seen AOTC and ROTS in 3D. I actually thought TPM looked ok in it... and I've grown to really dislike TPM to the point I won't really watch it anymore like I used to.
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If it's not in America, it doesn't count.
AOTC in 3D was shown as part of a screening in honor of legendary special effects artist Dennis Muren. That was held in San Rafael, California. There's more about the film festival and Muren's other work here (http://rafaelfilm.cafilm.org/dennis-muren-master-of-visual-effects/).
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Hopefully there is actually real 3D in these two movies. TPM had very little and what was there looked really viewmaster flat. They went cheap on the conversion as I think they did with these two versions also.
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It was cool to see EP2 & 3 in 3D at Star Wars Celebration Anaheim.