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Collectibles => The Vintage Collection => Topic started by: Jesse James on January 6, 2011, 08:08 PM
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This occurred to me in another thread...
The Death Squad Commander, a "Death Star Trooper" but sporting the grey uniform, has two looks depending on how you want the figure made.
The figure's based on production images of the trooper working the consoles behind Tarkin/Vader as they blow Alderaan apart. He's rocking the typical Death Star Trooper tunic, but no ranks or anything.
The actual vintage Death Squad Commander figure has all those details but sports a painted-on rank badge for one reason or another.
Which would you want then? A complete vintage update that sports a red/blue rank badge? Or would you want one that's film-accurate without a rank badge at all?
Does film-accuracy trump vintage toy reproductions? Does this fall into the same category as Hammerhead's sweet blue unitard? Or would the little rank badge homage be appreciated more?
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So, is the difference just the badge? If so, I'll take option C - don't really care. I loved the DSC when I was a kid, so I'll just be happy to have an updated version of him in that cool gray and black.
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I mainly just want them to make it grey and black and on the vintage card. I personally would like the badge thingy but won't cry about if they don't. Again I just want the version made at this point.
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Techinically, there's two differences... the badge, and a headset.
The vintage figure obviously doesn't have a headset, but the character in the little computer turntable dj booths does. The POTF2 figure sports the headset (without the curly wire thing). That would be a "film accurate" detail....
The actual vintage figure sports a rank badge though, though the film character does not (I don't believe he does anyway, by most photos I've seen).
So that's another difference too, the headset being included or not included.
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I'm skeptical that HAsbro can make the headset look right. If they can do a detachable one that looks good - maybe one that attaches to the helmet, then that would be cool. Otherwise I'm just fine if they skip it. I don't care much about the badge, but if I had to decide I would want the badge just to pay homage to the vintage figure. This is a case by case basis for me - I like the more film accurate clothing versions for guys like Hammerhead or Greedo (is he wearing a big green onesie?).
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Here are some reference pics
(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/dsc%20anh.jpg)
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/9-03/dstgray.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/fegemb.jpg)
(http://worldfamousdesignjunkies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/n671305666_1705745_36211.jpg)
I made my own
(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/dsccustom%20comparison.jpg)
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I don't care on color but give him the correct damn boots.
ANH DST had jack boots.
ESB had tall riding boots.
ROTJ had a mixture
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I think they need to do an all new sculpt, the TAC one is just awkward looking.
For the new sculpt, I say no badge needed.
Then go with two versions - one carded one that is gray, then a black outfit one in a Battle Pack featuring the following:
- Death Star Trooper (gray)
- Chewbacca (early bird)
- Luke Skywalker (stormtrooper gear)
- Han Solo (stormtrooper gear)
Then alternate them both in Legends later on down the road. Yay.
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I consider the DSC an error figure like the Cantina aliens. So I have no real interest in a direct analog of the figure. Although I would buy one if they ever made it. And I hope they do for the people that want it. But I would much more like to see the "Death Star Controller" made. It is within the top ten of my ANH want list.
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I'm more with CHEWIE in wanting what's on film over him having the rank badge.
I think the headset could be made as part of the removable helmet, rather than a separate piece, but that of course requires a new helmet mold to be made. Still, it's pretty noticeable as in all the pictures Scott provided. It certainly stands out compared to a regular DST without the headset.
Another interesting thing... Check out the cut of the tunic on the photos? Definitely different than an Imperial Officer's jacket like Tarkins. Definitely different than the DST figure we have as well. It folds to the left and is almost centered. This is actually MORE proof that this character was wearing grey, not black, as the only characters seen with that cut of jacket were background officers in the halls, wearing grey. It makes me wonder if he is actually wearing the pants OVER the boots rather than tucked in as well, which the Death Star officers wandering around with that jacket had their pants over the boots.
It's one of those "creative license" things since he's not out from the console, but I think the argument could be made now, seeing that the uniform appears to be very similar to other characters who are more easily seen. I'm ok with either really, but I do find it interesting. The distinct cut of the jacket really stands out now.
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A nod to the vintage design would be nice, Hasbro could do alternate heads one with the headset and one without. Here's how one with a headset could look (the head is from the TSC Endor Soldier), a custom I made over 4 years...
(http://www.ffurg.com/jason/DSC2.jpg)
Something like this with better articulation and improved helmet would be a great nod to both the vintage figure and the cardback itself.
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You guys sold me on the accurate film look over a repaint. I like this look, I have traumatic childhood memories when I see the vintage figure of this guy. Back in the day I always got the worst SW figures like him, Lobot and Han Hoth so I never had this guy high on my list. I always hated him when I was a kid and though he had a black turtle glued to his head.
Nice custom CH! I like it!
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This is more interesting that I'd thought.
The guy in the movie was in grey, different tunic, no gloves...boots unknown...heck, pants unknown.
Somehow I doubt they'll do an accurate version.
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Good point on the gloves too, Scockery. That's another "Vintage Figure or Movie Accurate" debate question...
To glove, or not to glove... He's not got them on there though in the images.
I say no gloves. I really lean towards a movie-accurate one.
I've always intended to use the POTF2 figure's head and some of the 30AC figure, but there are clearly a lot of details to this guy that make him dramatically different from the guys flanking Vader in the cell, or wandering around the detention block. I'm more firmly entrenched now than ever that he's in grey too.
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It makes me wonder if he is actually wearing the pants OVER the boots rather than tucked in as well, which the Death Star officers wandering around with that jacket had their pants over the boots.
He does. There is a picture of him from behind and he has his pants over his boots. I think it might even be in the movie (in wide screen) in one of the establishing shots.
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Do you have an image? I don't really know, and looking at the above images it's tough to tell.
Like I said, other guys in the same costume have pants over the boots, so I'm inclined to think that this character doesn't have the pantlegs tucked into higher boots at this point, without a picture showing it definitively.
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I've always intended to use the POTF2 figure's head and some of the 30AC figure, but there are clearly a lot of details to this guy that make him dramatically different from the guys flanking Vader in the cell, or wandering around the detention block. I'm more firmly entrenched now than ever that he's in grey too.
So this brings in another round of the debate...
Detention Block guards vs Death Star Control room guys.
I always viewed the vintage Death Squad Commander as the Detention Block guys (with the name Death Squad) but the color was just wrong.
Obiously the guys we were given in 30AC were ESB Naval Fleet Trooper ( a third variation) so it gets more convoluted....
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Do you have an image? I don't really know, and looking at the above images it's tough to tell.
This is from the opening of the scene where Alderaan in destroyed. It's much easier to see in the movie since the bottom of the pant leg moves around.
(http://www.gis.net/~buscemi/DSCback.jpg)
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That's interesting. Thanks SnTrooper, for adding a photo.
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Give me a figure called "Detention Block Guard" and give him those big silver boxes on his belt and I'd be in SW heaven.
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I'm all for paying homage to the vintage line. Mimic that as best you can, then when you throw the figure into the Legends line you can update it however you want - rank, boots, gloves, headset, bottle of champagne, don't really care. Just wrap up the original 12 please.
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I'd be all for a movie accurate one. I'd love to see how that headset would work under the helmet.
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Great discussion guys. I do hope hasbro are aware of all these differences as i favour movie accurate.
They did stress in a Qand A that in such cases they intend to update the character ahead of a vintage tribute.
Maybe we should compile all these differences in a question -just to be safe.