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Collectibles => The Vintage Collection => Topic started by: Jeff on February 2, 2023, 12:59 AM
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Not 100% confirmed, but it looks like these guys are all in the same wave.... I can't tell if Howzer is in this wave too or not?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn7-LvgWYAAFJ2F.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn7-LvgWYAEC-C5.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn79LOiWAAArsI1.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn79LPpWYAEmchi.jpg)
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I wasn't thrilled about the Vader during the livestream, but seeing it now, I like it. A Dark Times Vader with a removeable helmet and severed hand. Could be the definitive Vader.
The Han....I like the updates, but we just got the Endor Han about a year ago...at least they improved the head sculpt and the articulation.
We knew Weequay was coming for a while...a great re-release for those who missed him the first time.
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Just an FYI - This wave has a NEW Assortment number - F6878 (the previous assortment number is E7763).
That will drive a new DPCI at Target and hopefully drive the excess Kuiil, Lando and Reva figures to clearance this summer...
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The Han.... at least they improved the head sculpt and the articulation.
Really? It looks off to me. Looks more like a certain politician from Florida.
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For those who didn't see the fanstream, Emily mentioned they were able to add detail to the interior of Vader's helmet that wasn't possible with the wax models from yesteryear.
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Really? It looks off to me. Looks more like a certain politician from Florida.
Looking at the figure in the livestream...the face actually looks like an improvement.
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Looking at the livestream...the face actually looks like an improvement.
Emily?
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Overall for the wave, meh. Like others have said already -- given the combination of knowing these figures were in the pipeline & the fact that these are all either repacks, retools, or updates to figures we've gotten recently -- it's hard for me to get too excited for any of these. While I'll be glad to have the updates I really wish these slots could have gone to unmade characters or figures in desperate need of an update.
I missed the Weequay the first time around and never wanted to pay secondary market prices for one, so I'm happy to get him. Do we know if he will reuse the VC107 numbering slot, or are they renumbering him?
Han looks pretty good to me, even the headsculpt. He's not perfect but this feels like an improvement. The body looks to be a drastic improvement and a complete redo of the tired, skinny version that we've been getting since 2004. I wish they would have included his trench coat. Overall though, this wouldn't have been that high up on my wishlist, especially since we just had the photoreal version of VC62 1.5 years ago...
Vader, while just another version of the Vader we got in 2022... The figure looks great.
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I'm really happy with how that Vader turned out. And I'm also happy that they got the life support controls painted accurately for ROTJ, rather than just using the same Kenobi ones. I'd love to have him sitting in a meditation chamber, but at this point I think I'll have to wait until someone has a 3d printed kit on ebay or etsy, because Hasbro doesn't really make much of anything anymore.
To be fair, there was an extremely low bar to clear for Endor Han, and I'm looking forward to him. I really would have wanted rocker ankles and the new barbell hips, but I'll be ******* psyched to get this atrocity off my shelf...
(https://www.banthaskull.com/images/VC_Photo_Archive/vc62_han_solo_trench_coat_108.jpg)
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I think this is shaping up to be a decent ROTJ wave. The Vader looks fantastic. But I've seen a decent amount of criticism about the likeness. And I think it's fair, because I think the facial expression looks more like Hayden Christensen when the helmet is being lowered onto him in the OWK series. The Legacy Collection #08 Vader might have a better Sebastian Shaw likeness.
I also suspect that the new Vader is probably built on the Dark Times Vader body that we got last year. That's not a terrible thing in the least, because that's a fantastic Darth Vader. But I also see Hasbro attempting to leverage that tooling for future releases. I suspect that body will also be the basis for the Vader in the pipeline 2-pack.
This update to Han Solo (Endor) was overdue. Why Hasbro deemed the VTSC figure to be worthy of carrying forward into TVC 1.0 is beyond me. Because that image tells you everything. The lower body/legs aren't anywhere close to being in proportion to the body. So naturally Hasbro re-issued that crap VC062 figure in 2021!
The new version of Han definitely gets past the issues of things being proportional. Evidently the lower body and legs came from the VC124 Han Solo from SOLO. Personally, I think it's an improvement over what we had. But if you were to go on some of the hardcore TVC groups they regard it like a crime against humanity that the new Endor Han Solo didn't get barbell hips. I think one of the greatest challenges with this figure is nailing Harrison Ford's likeness and the hair. His hair in ROTJ was a little big. The face looks good from the left side, but a little weird from the right. I'm looking forward to seeing a production sample soon.
The Weequay is a smart reissue. It's from that last wave of TVC 1.0 that was an online exclusive. I got one when it was current, but that wave as a whole got scarce in a hurry. I'd like to have one carded, and there also seems to be more Weequays populating the Mandoverse. So these guys can fill out some scenes. I know that some customizers like getting Weequays in order to make the "Defenestrated Weequay" from the Sail Barge. I had to look that up in the dictionary. I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised to learn that it means to be thrown out a window.
I'm curious to see how the rest of the wave shakes out. I suspect we'll be getting more ROTJ offerings. When we see them remains to be seen.
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Want to make it a good ROTJ wave? Throw in Sim Aloo, or an Ewok that hasn't been made before, or a new Jabba goon that hasn't been made before...
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Want to make it a good ROTJ wave? Throw in Sim Aloo, or an Ewok that hasn't been made before, or a new Jabba goon that hasn't been made before...
Agreed.
I don't need a better Han or better Vader. While the zillions of versions we have now may not be perfect, I can live with them and will likely skip these versions as I just don't need another Han and Vader that is 95% the same as ones I already have.
I'd so, so much rather have something new.
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Want to make it a good ROTJ wave? Throw in Sim Aloo, or an Ewok that hasn't been made before, or a new Jabba goon that hasn't been made before...
He's not a never-before made character, but I'd **** my pants for a Squidface that was given the same level of love as last year's Bib Fortuna.
That said, I really need a Fozec before the line ends.
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Want to make it a good ROTJ wave? Throw in Sim Aloo, or an Ewok that hasn't been made before, or a new Jabba goon that hasn't been made before...
He's not a never-before made character, but I'd **** my pants for a Squidface that was given the same level of love as last year's Bib Fortuna.
That said, I really need a Fozec before the line ends.
And honestly the current Hasbro team could pull it off in their current style by just taking Bib and giving him different soft goods, head and hands.
Then rinse and repeat for Sim Aloo.
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I’m not even against Hasbro using molds to make more than one figure. They’ve got a massive repository of parts and whatever. I just wish they’d use that approach way more creatively. Axe Woves and Koska Reeves were good examples of what they can do, and they delivered unique characters that weren’t expensive to produce. Of course… they also charged insane prices for them…
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Images of the Tusken Warrior were revealed in this week's Mando Mania. It looks like a decent figure. Now if we only had a Boba Fett in his tattered jumpsuit or any of the other Tuskens in the tribe...
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Jayson put up images saying the Tusken Raider is built out of the TVC Rey body.
I don’t know if it’s the start of a trend, but to me this is good news. I don’t need the same figure painted thirty ways, but if Hasbro can use existing parts to give us unique characters, I’m all for it. The tooling library is enormous, use it in clever ways like this.
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Agreed. It's a great looking figure!
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Yeah I agree. You only have to look at that fantastic Bib Fortuna figure to realize that smart reuse can lead to amazing figures. I'm all for it where it makes sense and doesn't hurt the final product.
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I can definitely get on board with parts re-use if it's done this well. But I'll also have questions about the Tusken Warrior - what are the legs like? And what about the upper arms? Because on that Rey part of them are bare.
But back to my earlier point? What I would really like Hasbro to consider when they introduce a figure like this is to consider a companion release. There are no figures that might be paired with the Tusken Warrior. You could use some previous Tusken Raider releases, but those don't have colors that resemble the Tuskens of the Dune Sea. There's no captive Boba Fett, and no Pyke soldiers. Something similar happened in the current wave with both Vel Sartha and Cassian Andor. EVENTUALLY we'll get the Aldhani heist Cassian in this wave which would interact with Vel Sartha. How long will it be until there are figures to go with the Warrior or the Ferrix Cassian?
I think it's perfectly clear that themed waves are largely a thing of the past. Sure, we got one with the wave for the Obi-Wan Kenobi series. But how difficult would it be to pair two characters from entertainment together?
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So are we just at $16.99 for the regular price now? Preordering that Tusken Warrior was a hair under $19 after tax. :(
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So it seems. I opted for Amazon for the preorder. With their preorder price guarantee I know that if the price drops Amazon will honor the lowest price.
The situation with the cases seems to be in doubt, but then I saw someone on social media link to an EE listing for the case.
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Yeah I just always preorder from Amazon and Pulse since I get "free" shipping at those two places. Whoever lowers their price most or ships first gets the business.
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Jayson put up images saying the Tusken Raider is built out of the TVC Rey body.
I don’t know if it’s the start of a trend, but to me this is good news. I don’t need the same figure painted thirty ways, but if Hasbro can use existing parts to give us unique characters, I’m all for it. The tooling library is enormous, use it in clever ways like this.
I just got a chance to check out the photos, and I totally agree.
It's nice to get a new figure and smart re-use is a great way to go, although I also noticed preorders for this were $16.99.
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Is this ARC Trooper Jesse that I think is in this wave a single carded release from the 3-pack from a few years ago or is it new? I can’t keep these clones straight anymore.
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Is this ARC Trooper Jesse that I think is in this wave a single carded release from the 3-pack from a few years ago or is it new? I can’t keep these clones straight anymore.
Yes. Jesse is the third ARC Trooper from the convention exclusive 3-pack from a few years ago. There might be some minor differences in the deco, but it's the same sculpt. Jesse is in an earlier wave - I think the wave that included Din Djarin (Morak).
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Is this ARC Trooper Jesse that I think is in this wave a single carded release from the 3-pack from a few years ago or is it new? I can’t keep these clones straight anymore.
The three 501st ARCs from the SDCC pack were already done - Fives was single carded in 2020, Echo was single carded in 2021, and Jesse was single carded in 2022.
Are you thinking about Clone Captain Howser? He is likely in this wave and is the same as "2022 VC210 Clone Captain Ballast" from that Amazon Bad Batch 4-pack but with a new corrected name cardback (Howzer instead of Ballast).
ORIGINAL AMAZON 4-pack version (Ballast):
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/I/81GbU71gYzS._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
New repacked/renamed version:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn7_oibXkAMcOjJ.jpg)
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Yeah I got my wires crossed... I knew there was an ARC in this wave and Jayson had a post about Walmart preorders for Jesse being all screwy today, so I went to Walmart's website and found a sold out one that's $30... thinking it was something new I asked about it here, but it looks like it's actually a 6" Jesse and I'm an idiot. The TVC listings that are $30 are just third party sellers making a buck on the old one.
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Jayson put up images saying the Tusken Raider is built out of the TVC Rey body.
I don’t know if it’s the start of a trend, but to me this is good news. I don’t need the same figure painted thirty ways, but if Hasbro can use existing parts to give us unique characters, I’m all for it. The tooling library is enormous, use it in clever ways like this.
Dropping the images here so we have them for reference. Overall I'd say this Tusken would have been one of my most wanted figures from TBOBF, so I am happy to her(?). I agree, the Rey part usage here feels smart. These are the kinds of kitbashes I generally don't mind for secondary characters, especially when they are done well. Given the current environment, I'd much rather have figures of secondary or background characters that are only 80-90% accurate, than either not getting the figure at all or getting fewer secondary or background characters made period.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0605/6289/9179/products/star-wars-the-vintage-collection-tusken-warrior-hasbro-39621987500267_2000x2000.webp?v=1678902280) (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0605/6289/9179/products/star-wars-the-vintage-collection-tusken-warrior-hasbro-39621987369195_2000x2000.webp?v=1678902267)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0605/6289/9179/products/star-wars-the-vintage-collection-tusken-warrior-hasbro-39621987336427_2000x2000.webp?v=1678902270) (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0605/6289/9179/products/star-wars-the-vintage-collection-tusken-warrior-hasbro-39621987303659_2000x2000.webp?v=1678902629)
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Want to make it a good ROTJ wave? Throw in Sim Aloo, or an Ewok that hasn't been made before, or a new Jabba goon that hasn't been made before...
He's not a never-before made character, but I'd **** my pants for a Squidface that was given the same level of love as last year's Bib Fortuna.
That said, I really need a Fozec before the line ends.
Just re-reading this thread while I obsess—and gently freak out—over the lack of preorders for this wave, but it's kind of nice to see the Squidface I was wishing for actually happening (though not in this wave). I didn't exactly **** my pants as promised, but I was really ******* happy. Let's hope Fozec gets his action figure debut soon.
Onto the topic though, I'm really annoyed that they decided not to do preorders for these guys, especially since they're still totally doing preorders for figures before and after these. I do actually want a few of the Han and a few Vaders as well, and the idea of trying to hunt these down is killing my Squidface afterglow.
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I had originally ordered 3 x Tusken Warriors. But since the deluxe version got announced I canceled that order. Now I'm having difficulty ordering 2 of them, and it's still perplexing why Hasbro would let people preorder to Tusken Warrior, but not anything else in the wave. SMH...
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Darth Vader looks inviting.
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Did Clone Captain Howzer ever go up for preorder anywhere yet? That’s not a Walmart exclusive, just part of a regular wave, right?
Thx!
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Did Clone Captain Howzer ever go up for preorder anywhere yet? That’s not a Walmart exclusive, just part of a regular wave, right?
Thx!
Pretty sure he has not, just like the rest of the wave (Bunker Han, Piett, & ROTJ Vader).
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Folks are starting to get early samples of the new Endor Han and the reviews are pretty bad. Sounds like his parts are mostly recycled from the 2018 TVC SOLO Han Solo figure with only a new head, upper torso, and vest - everything else is reused and makes the fiugre seem kind of dated. Boo.
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I don’t mind them reusing and recombining parts to make interesting new stuff like that Jabba’s Denizens pack, but lazy kit bashing for a figure that we have 8 versions of… blah.
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I hear the complaints, but I will take this upgrade over the 2006 Endor Han release ( which was itself a kitbash of the 2004 version) they have given us way too many times, and which I really didn't like in 2006 either.
I was trying to take ROTJ pictures last week for the 40th anniversary and was really feeling this figures absence.
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Everything is relative with new figure releases. And this new Endor Han Solo is no exception. Compared to the previous Endor Han Solo which was originally based on the VTSC figure? This new one is a massive improvement. Is it what a lot of people hoped and dreamed for? Not completely. But I have to sometimes take the stance that perfection shouldn't be the enemy of a good figure.
This figure drew on parts from the 2018 SOLO version of Han Solo for the legs and lower body. Some have criticized the hip articulation as well as the holster. I can appreciate that. But there's also the law of diminishing returns. Just how much can you refine a pair of legs whose main distinguishing characteristics are the boots (kind of non-descript) and the Correllian blood stripe? It seems like a complete re-design wouldn't necessarily yield the greatest return on investment for Hasbro.
And I keep seeing some unreal expecations from some in the TVC community. There was a ton of criticism about the Walmart exclusive Endor Leia that came out a couple of years ago. It was a massive improvement in terms of deco over the VTSC Leia. But more extreme voices in the TVC community railed against it because it didn't have articulated wrists. How many of them took the time to examine just how small those wrists are? And that engineering a figure for that kind of articulation has certain requirements in order for a joint to be structurally sound.
Would I like Hasbro to give TVC a greater sculpting budget so that they could make a new ROTJ Han Solo from the ground up? Sure. But the line is struggling to manage costs versus sales. And compromises are occasionally made. I would rather get this new Han Solo than have to keep the old one in circulation.
Side note? Hasbro Pulse in the UK and EU are listing the new Han Solo being available to order on June 7th.
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Everything is relative with new figure releases. And this new Endor Han Solo is no exception. Compared to the previous Endor Han Solo which was originally based on the VTSC figure? This new one is a massive improvement. Is it what a lot of people hoped and dreamed for? Not completely. But I have to sometimes take the stance that perfection shouldn't be the enemy of a good figure.
Usually I'd be on the understanding side... but as a Han Solo figure stan, I think he deserve NEW at this point and not 'kinda new but mostly recycled'.
Like Rob said, I'm much more tolerant of these reuse/kitbash figures if Hasbro is making Jabba background guy #14 who we're happy to finally get after 40 years. When they do it for Han Solo, it just feels cheap. Yes, this version is better than the 15+ year old sculpt they keep trotting out, but that's a really low bar. A version with ALL-NEW legs with rocker ankles and better hips would have been ever better.
Maybe I'm just salty that every carded TVC Han figure since that 2018 TVC SOLO Han has been a repack/kitbash figure - photoreal updates to old TVC sculpts; repack of 2014 Black Series Carbonite Han, new head on old body ANH Stormtrooper Han, and now this kitbash ROTJ Bunker Han. ::)
Sorry. Maybe Hasbro will make it up to me with an ALL-NEW ANH Smuggler Han in the near future.
[/end Han Solo figure fanboy rant]
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Up for pre-order at EE
Bunker Han -> https://ee.toys/TSESVX
DS2 Vader -> https://ee.toys/K4M92K
Weequay -> https://ee.toys/434E6M
#ad #sponsored
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This Han is on Amazon now… I could be mistaken but that’s the first time I’ve seen it there.
https://amzn.to/3PUJhie
I wonder if Vader shows up soon…
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This Han is on Amazon now… I could be mistaken but that’s the first time I’ve seen it there.
I wonder if Vader shows up soon…
Thanks! I just ordered a couple. Vader is there, but only from 3rd party sellers at the moment.
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I got the Vader last week from a friend who ordered a spare and didn't need it.
Found a solo Solo (with crushed bubble but good paint) at one WalMart yesterday, and a solo Weequay at a different WalMart.
With those 3 figures, I don't think I have anything left I am looking for or have preordered with the exception of the Boba Fett Throne Room.
Maybe something will pop up at SDCC that I want.
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This Han is on Amazon now… I could be mistaken but that’s the first time I’ve seen it there.
https://amzn.to/3PUJhie
I wonder if Vader shows up soon…
Vader -> https://amzn.to/43pQSIA
Weequay -> https://amzn.to/3Odbu2u
Vader is in-stock from 3rd parties, but if you click and view other sellers you can order from Amazon for $17 (back-ordered).
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Are you thinking about Clone Captain Howser? He is likely in this wave and is the same as "2022 VC210 Clone Captain Ballast" from that Amazon Bad Batch 4-pack but with a new corrected name cardback (Howzer instead of Ballast).
Pulse has Howzer up now... seeing what you said about him here... do we know definitively if this is a repack of the one from the 4-Pack without major changes?
The photos on pulse and the toy I have from the 4-pack look the same, except for the deco on his leg in this one spot...
(https://i.imgur.com/f6Wrzzi.jpg)
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do we know definitively if this is a repack of the one from the 4-Pack without major changes?
The intention for them was to be the same (straight repack of the previous figure), but I don't know if anyone has done a full side-by-side comparison yet to look for those minor deco or color hue difference yet. (Besides the comparison you did in your post ;)).
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I’ve found remnants of this wave three times now and I’ve seen every figure except Howzer who of course is the only one I want. ::)
The same thing happened like five times with the Hunter wave too.
Frustrating.
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I found a lone Han Solo at an area Walmart this morning. Frankly, I was surprised to only find Han since that figure seems like one of the prime pieces in the wave.
And yesterday I was able to order both Vader and the Weequay from Amazon.
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do we know definitively if this is a repack of the one from the 4-Pack without major changes?
The intention for them was to be the same (straight repack of the previous figure), but I don't know if anyone has done a full side-by-side comparison yet to look for those minor deco or color hue difference yet. (Besides the comparison you did in your post ;)).
Yeah I’d order one and check up close but as far as I know Pulse costs money to make a return, which I’m not willing to do. Maybe I’m mistaken there but I’ve never returned anything to them.
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Here's a side-by-side of the new Weequay (right) with the old one (left). The main stuff that stands out to me...
The staffs are definitely different colors.
His face and skin are shinier... there's definitely a different wash on them.
The belt buckle is definitely repainted and shinier too.
The joints on the back of his knees are corrected to the color of his pants.
(https://i.imgur.com/ew030z8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3fKV3hO.jpg)
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The joints on the back of his knees are corrected to the color of his pants.
Fixing the color on the knee and foot/ankle joints is enough of a change to get me to track one of these down now...
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Yeah I decided to open and keep it based on his face, the staff, and belt. But the joint color was a nice surprise once I flipped it over. I didn't even notice the ankles...
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Thanks for sharing Rob. It's a nice update, but I'm not going to lose sleep if I don't get one.
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Yep!
I ask these questions so often, it's nice any time I can answer one for the rest of the group.
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For whatever it's worth, I got that Howzer from Pulse today and just like the comparison photo above... that one leg is different. I'm going to go ahead and consider it a variant and keep it.
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I spotted remnants of this wave at GameStop. Nice to know that they’re getting out there.