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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => The Force Awakens => Topic started by: Brian on July 9, 2014, 11:29 PM
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Not necessarily "Black Series" per se, but thought this was the most relevant place to post this. With a sort of slow time this year and last, have you given any thought to what your collecting might look like once Episode VII hits theaters (and beyond)? It looks like, if Disney's plans hold, that we'll be having yearly Star Wars movies - and likely yearly toy lines as well. Will you collect it, pick and choose, wait and see?
Our family has been going through a whole house condensing/cleanout this summer - and I've been spending a lot of time on the office (which is also the collection room) and also going through storage tubs. What I've realized is - news flash - I have a lot of crap :). The display areas in our office are already pretty full (primarily Star Wars and Marvel stuff, with some Joes, LEGO, LOTR, Indy, MOTU, and DC), not to mention all the tubs just sitting in our garage, full of toys. It makes me realize, not only do I need to sell off/donate some of this stuff, but I really need to re-assess as we look forward to this onslaught of new movies and merchandise.
Star Wars has always been my primary collecting focus, and hitting the toy aisles and visiting forums like this is what led me to collecting other lines as well. I know, barring a huge change to the scale/look of the line, I'll be on board for the toys for these new movies - particularly the "main trilogy" - at least to some extent. Knowing that, I know that I need to cut back in other areas. Some collections (Joes, LOTR, DC, MOTU, Indy) are pretty much complete, I just like having them displayed. Marvel is something I've really gotten into though, and the movies there don't show any signs of slowing down either. I've gotten much more selective in what I buy, skipping a lot of figures in the SW line over the past couple of years simply because they didn't excite me, and I'll continue that.
Anyways, back on the original topic - do you plan to collect the stuff from these new movies, or are you taking a wait and see approach? I know I'll at least buy some things, but I will take a wait and see to know what the spinoffs and of that are all about. Plus, I need to figure out a place for this stuff to go before I buy anything. I'm at capacity now, and not someone who likes to collect just to put in storage, so I've got some decisions to make in the next year plus.
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For my collection room, it's a wait and see approach.
Colin will be 5 years old and will probably want most if not all of the stuff! We just finished a four day road trip to the East Coast and he watched the OT. After getting back to the house, he immediately went into my office/collection room and yelled, "ARTOO! Where are you?!"
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I'll just be on a wait and see stance, just simply to see what's coming... For all we know there won't be a collector 4" line. It may be all 5POA figures, which I'd pick and choose... I am not buying 6" anyway, so I'm set there.
If the 4" line has a collector quality line, I'm sure I'll be picking up what I'd like... Like with ROTS though, I didn't buy it all. I got picky actually in 2002. 1999 really soured me on the crap Hasbro was putting out at the time... I doubt my limitations change much.
4" figures are easy to display in scads though too. Especially when you don't buy them all in the first place. Hell, I just bought my first 5POA figures tonight really. There are very few Rebels characters I'm interested in right now do to the animated style, so those are out too.
Vehicles are where I am at an impasse of sorts. I have tons of the new AT-ST around. Most are for storage till wanted for something specific. I have only the ROTJ one we just got displayed at this point. TIE's are the same though. I have tons of the big-wing, various types... A handful of Ints and Bombers too. I have like 12 A-Wings of various colors. Most are in storage and one or two will get "displayed" ultimately. Most are just waiting for a paintjob, or some customization, at some point. Lots of plans, and only so much time.
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I've got a similar situation where I've just got too much crap and need to dump it off. I'm basically just gutting my collection and focusing solely on the smaller scale stuff from my main lines. As for these new movies, if they look good standing next to the other guys on my shelves, as in solid sculpt and paint (I can live without super pose ability if they don't make em) then I'll nab em, as long as they do things the way they used to, lots of weird aliens and robots from the background and such. They should be giving us a whole slew of new there in the background for 5 second creature designs, and that's the stuff I love, and miss collecting right now.
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As much as the idea of collecting SW into my 40's strikes me as a bad idea, I'm going to play it by ear and probably just go with it - if the 3 3/4" line stays alive and consistent.
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My gut is telling me that this is it; I'm not going to invest into more figures from the new movies. I feel like the OT is what I grew up with and love (not that I hate the PT, it's just wasn't in my childhood), so I think that will be my focus moving on. But, yes, my displays are pretty much filled up now. The other thing is that I am not sure if I enjoy picking up figures any more. I think this is mostly do to Hasbro's recent downward spiral in quality of figures. It's disheartening to find something you want at a store and leave it behind because there is an issue with pain apps or something.... it's one thing to never find an item on a shelf than to find it and leave it behind. Hasbro is making it easy for me to quit.
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Paint, prices, articulation, general quality, general burn-out or simply lack of connection... A lot to think about going forward. I feel like Abrams may get people to look at the new films a little more closely because he's trying to link to the OT so much.
Lucas didn't try for strong bonds between trilogies. He thought the obvious, like Leia's ship having a cameo, was good enough. Or just the character names would be sufficient (hey, it's OWK! But not really. And it's Yoda but he's fighting instead of being wise and cerebral!), and that didn't jive with fans as hoped.
Rebels looks to have a lot of cool things that have my attention for sure, but I'm not sure it isn't taking a direction that will be too kiddie for me and I'll lose interest in the toys for any reason than simply how they fit in my collection and look good. The figures already don't interest me as much as I'd hoped for.
So like Rebels I'm waiting to see if e7 ropes me in and thus sells more toys to me, or if I just find background guys they make interesting because they fit my collection as basically filler and fodder. I'm quite sure I'd pick and choose anyway, given the volume of stuff I have already coupled with the fact I've been in that mode for over a decade anyway.
Space hasn't become a deciding factor for me... Yet. Then again I don't have a wife/kids living with me. I have my rental family on the weekends when I'm not home to play with POSE toys. So my space issues are more keeping my stuff out of public views.
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I cut the collection so far back ("only" 400 figures or so) a few years ago, long before thought of the sequel trilogy actually getting made cropped up, I think I'll be okay without the new line...with a couple exceptions. I'll probably be in for a version of Luke Han and Leia from EpVII, because middle-age versions of them will always be a part of Star Wars to me, no matter how I feel about the bulk of the movie. It's the same thing as the very few Prequel figures I still have...Anakin and Obi-Wan from the Final Duel are always going to be on display, because they were a part of the childhood daydreams that go along with Star Wars for me. Stuff like Podracers and Dexter Jettster, not so much.
Like someone else posted, I have this collection as a link to my childhood first and foremost. I hope beyond hope that my 4 year old gets into Rebels, because I want to get him those figures and start him on his Star Wars journey right. I'm excited for that aspect, and if he wants the figures from the new movies I fear he is going to be the most spoiled child on the planet because I will buy him everything...but just for his childhood, not mine.
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I've started to think about it recently since vintage collecting has really become my primary focus over the last few years. Really since things have slowed with Hasbro, it's been nearly exclusive. My toy room is about half vintage / half modern, and more and more I look at the modern stuff as potentially expendable. I will be collecting sequel stuff for sure, but how much I won't now until we get there. Safe to say it won't be all in. I'll definitely want figures of the main characters and if there's cool aliens I'll buy them too. If there are 6 inch (of course there will be) I'll want a Jedi Master Luke. So we'll see. In any case I need to liquidate. I have scads of toys from here and there and I need to clean house a little. I mean a lot.
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I'll be taking a wait and see stance. I'm in the midst of trying to get my collection room as well as the whole collection somewhat under control and organized. The thought of adding a whole new trilogy worth of toys to that? OMG. It starts to get a little overwhelming.
I might start to get more excited for the Sequel Trilogy and spinoff movies as the filmmakers start to reveal more. But I think I have to be far more judicious about how I spend than I was during to PT movie days.
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I'm just playing wait and see. Plain and simple. We'll see how well it builds on the OT.
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I'm not concerned at all about the new movies, as I am unlikely to buy any of those figures or vehicles, but I do have some concern about how much Rebels stuff will ultimately get released and how much that will compromise my available space. If it's even half the amount of stuff released in the animated Clone Wars line it will be a real challenge.
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It really depends on the articulation. If we're getting super articulated figures, I'll more than happily pick up the OT gang and probably the new main characters. But any troopers or minor characters? Probably not. I have more than enough Rebels and Imperials and won't care enough to pick up Poggle the Lesser or Zam Wesell type characters. Plus most of my collecting focus is on LEGO now, and that takes up enough space on its own. Adding a whole new trilogy to what I have, yikes.
Part of me is praying we get a shoddy 5 POA line similar to the last few Marvel movies so I can skip it entirely and not feel bad.
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It really depends on the articulation. If we're getting super articulated figures, I'll more than happily pick up the OT gang and probably the new main characters. But any troopers or minor characters? Probably not. I have more than enough Rebels and Imperials and won't care enough to pick up Poggle the Lesser or Zam Wesell type characters. Plus most of my collecting focus is on LEGO now, and that takes up enough space on its own. Adding a whole new trilogy to what I have, yikes.
Part of me is praying we get a shoddy 5 POA line similar to the last few Marvel movies so I can skip it entirely and not feel bad.
This is part of how I feel. As I've been organizing my collection over the past few months I couldn't help but notice something that REALLY got me fuming. That being a recurring trend where Hasbro put out minimally articulated figures of main characters at the beginning of a movie line. And then a few months down the line we got a well articulated version of those same characters. This happened in both the AOTC and ROTS lines. I'd really like to see Hasbro break this trend going forward. And if they don't? I'm going to wait until the gimmick figures get out of the way and THEN buy the core characters with good articulation.
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I'll only be collecting stuff that is on-par with what I already have. Black Series/TVC-style 3 3/4" figures, some 6" figures, and any compatible vehicles. I bought some of the 5POA figures on the cheap last year and have since regretted it, so if the movie lines focus mostly on 5POA (like Rebels) I will be skipping a lot of product.
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I've been thinking about this as well. While I too have way too much stuff, I always assume that much of my collection will be in storage and only a portion can be displayed. For the new films, I will buy either highly articulated or 5POA 3 3/4 figures. I like them both. What concerns me is that Disney/Lucasfilm/Hasbro are only going to make top shelf characters. And with a new movie out every year, it will give them little time for the background characters and cool aliens. What's kept me interested in SW figures is the depth of the character selection.
I'm always up for a good vehicle too, but if the release the OTC Falcon with a new radar dish (Because Lando broke the last one) I'll have to pass.
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My collecting strategy for the new movies:
1. Go watch the new movie(s)
2. Hopefully enjoy them
3. Go home
4. Maybe buy a new R2-D2 if it can exceed the already pretty goddamn-spectacular Resurgence of the Jedi version from 2010.
5. Continue being smug as all-hell
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As much as the idea of collecting SW into my 40's strikes me as a bad idea, I'm going to play it by ear and probably just go with it - if the 3 3/4" line stays alive and consistent.
You've got time yet.
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Check out THIS WALL STREET JOURNAL ARTICLE (http://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-toy-marketing-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens-1447180464) about the marketing of toys & merchandise for THE FORCE AWAKENS:
Inside the Toy Marketing of ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’
Sphero’s BB-8 robot works with a smartphone; fans debate the points of articulation on Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren figures
By
Ellen Byron
Nov. 10, 2015 1:34 p.m. ET
Corey Van **** knows almost nothing about BB-8, Rey, Finn, Kylo Ren, General Hux and Constable Zuvio, some of the new characters expected in the coming film “Star Wars: The Force Awakens.” Yet the 16-year-old has already bought these action figures plus more than 100 other items related to the movie, which hits theaters on December 17.
Corey, a high-school senior in Richmond, Va., hosts a weekly Star Wars podcast called the WolfPack. He has been raking leaves this fall for extra Star Wars spending money. “This buildup waiting for the movie is the greatest time I’ve had as a Star Wars fan,” he says.
Walt Disney Co. is rewriting the playbook of blockbuster movie merchandise for the latest installment in the nearly 40-year-old Star Wars saga, whose fans now span three generations. Toys tied to movies typically are introduced six to eight weeks ahead of the film’s release date. But Disney launched merchandise related to “The Force Awakens” 15 weeks ahead of the movie’s debut.
“We could have gone even earlier,” says Josh Silverman, Disney’s executive vice president of global licensing.
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First Order Stormtrooper, left and First Order Flametrooper action figures from Disney’s Star Wars Elite Series. First Order Stormtrooper is described as ‘equipped with sleek armor and powerful weapons.’ First Order Flametrooper ‘carries incendiary weapons that can transform any battlefield into an infernal blaze.’ Photo: F. Martin Ramin/The Wall Street Journal, Styling by Anne Cardenas and Leah Latella
With the Sept. 4 merchandise launch, which Disney called Force Friday, Star Wars grabbed Halloween-costume sales and consumer attention well ahead of the Christmas holiday selling season. In between Force Friday and the opening of “The Force Awakens” in theaters, several smaller merchandise introductions are planned, all carefully designed to avoid giving away the plot of the movie. Another major wave of merchandise will launch with movie’s mid-December debut and continue into 2016, Disney says.
Such an early effort helps safeguard Disney from merchandising missteps it made with its last blockbuster, “Frozen.” Retailers and manufacturers didn’t anticipate the animated film’s runaway success and quickly ran out of Frozen dolls and gear, struggling for months to keep items in stock.
In contrast, Star Wars’ early launch has given stores crucial lead time to organize holiday displays and stock inventory according to the best-selling toys, says Steph Wissink, a Piper Jaffray Cos. managing director. She expects retail sales of Star Wars toys to reach $1.5 billion within a year of the movie’s release.
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Finn, left and Rey, right. Action figures from Disney’s Star Wars Elite Series. Finn is described on the box as ‘a trained warrior desperate to escape his past,’ and Rey as ‘a resilient survivor, a scavenger toughened by a lifetime of dealing with the cutthroats of the harsh desert world of Jakku.’ Photo: F. Martin Ramin/The Wall Street Journal, Styling by Anne Cardenas and Leah Latella
“Star Wars will likely be much bigger than Frozen,” says Ms. Wissink. “With Star Wars you have that adult collector who reaches far beyond the traditional toy demographic, which is generally up to age 10.”
“This is going to be a very significant business in the first half of next year as kids watch the movie multiple times when it is distributed digitally,” says Richard Barry, chief merchandising officer of Toys “R” Us Inc., which has built permanent Star Wars aisles in all of its stores.
Star Wars fans sometimes have been disappointed in characters they bought ahead of a film. Jar Jar Binks merchandise was heavily marketed ahead of the release of the 1999 movie “The Phantom Menace” and many fans ended up disliking the character after they saw the film.
Disney says that incident hasn’t influenced its merchandise strategy this time around. “We’re not looking at that, we’re looking forward to the new film and the new stories they’re telling,” says Disney’s Mr. Silverman.
Star Wars’ massive appeal means the toys must please a varied audience, ranging from serious adult collectors to casual nostalgic fans to children who are new to the franchise.
To maximize appeal, Hasbro Inc. segmented its toy line by price and design sophistication. Its most basic 3.75-inch Star Wars action figures, for example, start at about $8 and are intended to encourage consumers to buy more than one, the company says.
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The BB-8 droid action figure from Disney’s Star Wars Elite Series. BB-8 is described as ‘the spherical, loyal astromech droid of the resistance pilot Poe Dameron.’ Photo: F. Martin Ramin/The Wall Street Journal, Styling by Anne Cardenas and Leah Latella
“Once you have two characters in your hand and you’re a 6-, 7- or 8-year-old, you can start playacting and building out a whole world,” says Steve Evans, Hasbro’s design director for Star Wars. “As people get older, they move away from the play state, and go more to the display state.”
For those fans, Hasbro has a so-called Black Series of highly detailed, 6-inch figures that start at about $20. These figures have many points of articulation, the toy-industry term for the number of places where a figure can move. That compares to around five points of articulation in Hasbro’s smaller, less costly figures.
Having a range of points of articulation helps appease the most rabid Star Wars toy collectors. The higher the “POA,” some fans argue, the higher the perceived value of the toy and the wider the range of poses it can achieve. Others prefer a lower POA because it makes the figures more stable, or because they never take the figures out of its packaging, valuing the toy’s aesthetics more than its mobility.
Hasbro says it closely monitors the points-of-articulation debate. “What’s great about the Star Wars audience and fan base is that they are very passionate and have a lot of great viewpoints on what the product should be,” says John Frascotti, president of Hasbro Brands.
Chris Pirillo, a Seattle-based online producer whose daughter’s name is Jedi, says he stays out of the points-of-articulation debate. He participated in Disney’s 18-hour online Force Friday toy launch, unboxing the new Millennium Falcon in a live video. So far Mr. Pirillo has purchased eight different figures of BB-8, a small spherical robot, among other characters from the coming film. “Ultimately I just enjoy the toy for what it is,” he says. “I can make up my own story for the characters—that’s part of the playing.”
Disney has been mum on how the new characters are selling. It says that due to accounting rules it cannot report revenue information about “The Force Awakens” merchandise until the movie is released. Hasbro has reported sales of its Star Wars toys have been well above expectations.
This weekend, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is planning a Star Wars-themed “Epic Weekend” in 3,000 stores, offering shoppers the opportunity to play the Star Wars: Battlefront videogame, made by Electronic Arts Inc., four days before it is available for purchase. It currently carries over 500 Star Wars items in stores and “thousands” online, a spokeswoman says.
Target Corp. has more than 600 Star Wars items in stores and more than 1,000 online, including action figures, pizza cutters and lipstick. Among its biggest sellers is BB-8, a robot about whom only hints have been revealed through Disney’s cryptic movie trailers.
“For all we know, BB-8 could be a son of a gun and grumpy,” says Steve Sansweet, chief executive of Rancho Obi-Wan Inc., a nonprofit museum near Petaluma, Calif., containing Mr. Sansweet’s 350,000-piece collection of Star Wars merchandise. “Something tells me that BB-8 is going to be cool and heroic, though, and we’re not going to say, ‘Why did I buy all that stuff?’ ”
Sphero, the maker of a $149.99 BB-8 droid controlled with a smartphone app, has been racing to meet demand after nearly selling out in September; the droid remains in short supply. Now half of Sphero’s engineering team is in China working to speed up production. “Demand has far exceeded anything we predicted,” says Ian Bernstein, company co-founder and chief technical officer.
For the past year, Sphero worked to keep its BB-8 development a secret, adding frosted windows and a keypad lock to the room where most of the work took place in its Boulder, Colo., headquarters. To keep the character name secret, Sphero employees called it “Project Ray.” Every time visitors to the office were expected, employees received a memo warning them to hide any BB-8 evidence, and the marketing department did a final inspection of desks before outsiders were allowed into the office.
Mr. Bernstein says he hasn’t seen the “The Force Awakens” and had to rely on character descriptions of BB-8 from Disney, which is an investor in Sphero. He’ll finally learn BB-8’s full story during Sphero’s holiday party, when the company plans to gather in a rented movie theater on the film’s opening night so employees can watch it for the first time together. “I know BB-8 is going to be amazing, but I’m still nervous,” says Mr. Bernstein.
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The Black Series gets mentioned! But only for the 6" line. No mention of 3.75" SA line.
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At least they addressed the articulation thing, as a debate...
But here's a pisser. "Some people like less articulation because they stand better/more stable".
I beg to differ here. Was going over some POTF2 junk I'm unloading, and even quite a few of the new TFA figures, and I gotta tell you, it's all in how the feet are molded and not one thing more.
Try to tell me the new FO Stormies (Flame and regular) don't fall over with a sneeze, and I will call you a liar. I own a couple of each to custom up, and they both fall quite easily. Why? Hasbro designed the feet in such a way that they're not planted flat and straight. POTF2 Ponda Baba, Ceremony Luke, and others also sucked for stability.
I've seen that argument attempted as a way to argue pro-5POA, and it's a hollow one IMO, and always will be.
The only one I've ever agreed with is joints popping off/apart, and usually it's only ever at the wrists. I would also fault this on Hasbro for not designing the figure properly for whatever reason, but it certainly is from articulation being wrong.
The stability thing though, that plagues all figures, regardless of articulation count, if they design it wrong. Look at figures like the AT-ST Pilots from K-Mart. The ankles are turned inward and the figure stands on his side of his feet sort of, and thus that figure is less stable. If anything, poseability helps it. On the FO Flametrooper though, tell me what helps it because I'd like to know. ::)
Anyway, the article was good I thought... And I'd say the process has worked fairly well for the most part. Sure pegs have been empty but there's been resupply and stuff blows out immediately too. I've seen things spread out to stores like DG, Family Dollar and more, and yet they still sell out. Sometimes, it's just popularity that is in the way of availability and not a big vast conspiracy like some would try to imply. :-X Call me an apoligarian, or whatever nickname is cool to throw at people who hold a different viewpoint.
I don't care for 5POA btw (see above), but tough to argue it's doing well when even Dollar General gets two cases in and blows through all the figures in a week or less. Pre-movie hype dies off though, so how will this all be doing in February or March? That'll be the real question.
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Chopper is grumpy as hell and he was a hot seller so i dont know WTF kind of point Sansweet is making there.
I'm mostly surprised some kid in my home town is doing a SW podcast and I never even heard of him. It's a pretty small collecting community here, but I guess the younger generation flies under the radar.
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I'm mostly surprised some kid in my home town is doing a SW podcast and I never even heard of him. It's a pretty small collecting community here, but I guess the younger generation flies under the radar.
At least you know who beat you to that elusive figure now. :P I've heard of the Wolfpack, I just assumed he was late 20s-40s.
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Call me an apoligarian, or whatever nickname is cool to throw at people who hold a different viewpoint.
Great, another Hasbro apologarian. You contrapologianarians are ruining the hobby!!! ::) ::) ::)
I really wish Hasbro could just come out and say - "we'd rather make $X selling you a Black Series 6" figure and $Y selling you a 5POA figure than $Z selling you a Black Series 3.75" figure (where X>Z and Y>Z). Sorry, dude. It's just business."
Maybe then people would understand there is no "ignoring the collector market" going on - it's just $$$$$$$$$. Target profit margins and shareholder expectations rule all these days.
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According to this article, Hasbro is already struggling to keep up with the demand for Star Wars toys (http://qz.com/551342/hasbro-is-already-struggling-to-keep-up-with-the-demand-for-star-wars-toys/)
Written by
Ashley Rodriguez
November 16, 2015
Four weeks away from the release of Star Wars: The Force Awakens—and nine weeks after the film’s merchandise hit shelves—Hasbro is running low on inventory.
Star Wars sales met the toymaker’s highest expectations when new merchandise debuted on Sept. 4, and while the rush has eased since, demand is still ahead of expectations, CEO Brian Goldner said during an investor presentation today (Nov. 16). “As a result,” Goldner said, “inventory has been light in recent weeks and we are working to catch up.”
The toymaker, which licenses Star Wars from Disney, got a much-needed jolt from the hugely-popular brand last quarter when it helped drive revenue in the “boys” category up 24%. Overall, Star Wars sales helped Hasbro gain an edge over larger rival Mattel, which had an 11% drop in net sales last quarter, while Hasbro’s revenue ticked up 1%.
The company hopes to benefit from the brand far beyond Episode VII’s theatrical run, which begins Dec. 18.
“It’s really about that fact that, over the next five years, there will be more Star Wars entertainment than there’s been over the last 30,” said Goldner. “You’re really reigniting a fan base that has been looking forward to this era of Star Wars. And certainly we expect the brand to have success not only in the US but around the world.”
Over the past five years, partner brands like Star Wars and Marvel averaged 20% of Hasbro’s total annual revenue. That contribution is on target to reach 25% this year, bolstered by the success of Star Wars and other brands, Goldner said. Moving forward, partner brands should make up about 20% to 25% of the company’s total revenue, as Hasbro continues to grow that portion of the business.
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It's almost as if people are excited to finally be able to buy Star Wars toys after almost 3 years of empty pegs and shelf space!