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Title: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: iFett on February 5, 2007, 12:36 AM
Well, this looks like the ship  (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280078105859) we're all going to bitch about.   :-\

It doesn't look as bad as I thought, but Hasbro has to milk the SW license for another 10 years so...........there will be another.  I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Matt on February 5, 2007, 12:57 AM
Well, this looks like the ship  (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280078105859) we're all going to bitch about.   :-\

Out of all the pics, there's only one that really gives a sense of scale:

(http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/89/03/d0fa_12.JPG)

So either that guy has some seriously huge mitts, or the ship's really underscaled.

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It doesn't look as bad as I thought, but Hasbro has to milk the SW license for another 10 years so...........there will be another.  I'm sure of it.

There will never be another Infiltrator besides this one.
Title: Re: Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 5, 2007, 01:03 AM
I knew it's be under-scaled, but that's ridiculous. Though, I don't know what else I could have expected. :-\
Title: Re: Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on February 5, 2007, 01:36 AM
I'm just guessing, but that thing might be like 1:50 scale or something close to that...  1:32 seems still off substantially.  That's funny.  It might be a good SW Miniatures set piece though.  Some Kenner/Hasbro stuff makes great tabletop gaming set pieces.

This is an easy pass for me upon seeing the pictures...  I didn't have high hopes anyway though for $20.
Title: Re: Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 5, 2007, 05:29 AM
The guy doesn't have huge mitts.  The ship is small.  I think I'd pass, but I'm not 100% until I see a figure next to it.
Title: Re: Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Quazar on February 5, 2007, 07:04 AM
Come on, guys....we KNEW this ship was going to be small (to fit into the $20 "starfighter" price range) and Hasbro ships are never, ever, ever to scale.

I don't see this as being any worse than the Falcon, the TIE's, the AT AT, Slave I....yeah, it's small, but it looks cool.  It looks like the real ship, it'll hold a Maul figure.....I'm very happy and can't wait to pick it up.

It seems like if you're complaining about scale, you're in the wrong hobby.  :)
Title: Re: Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth Broem on February 5, 2007, 08:05 AM
I am not surprised by the size at all.  We knew it would be small for $20 and it is.   I don't really care.  His ship was in the film for about 2 scenes and did zilch.  It will be nice for a backdrop in a diorama I guess?
Title: Re: Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Deanna Rash on February 5, 2007, 08:50 AM
  :-\ watch Maul won't even fit in there like Kit Fisto and his starfighter :P >:( :(
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darby on February 5, 2007, 01:46 PM
I think Maul will fit in there fine.  I figured it would have to be the size of the Jedi starfighters.  On one hand it's a shame it's so out of scale, and on the other, it's cool they're even doing it at all.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Vator on February 5, 2007, 01:49 PM
I tend to agree with Quazar on this one. Aside from all that, it's a neat toy... and to be perfectly honest, I'm thrilled to even be getting a new vehicle from Episode I.

I'll probably pick it up online.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: ruiner on February 5, 2007, 01:55 PM


So either that guy has some seriously huge mitts, or the ship's really underscaled.


You're not surprised, are you?  Surely, (being you handle every single QNA from Hasbro) you knew that it'd small enough to fit in the $20 starfighter box...

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There will never be another Infiltrator besides this one.

You're right on that.  Outside of the Titanium version of course!
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Matt on February 5, 2007, 02:47 PM
You're not surprised, are you?  Surely, (being you handle every single QNA from Hasbro) you knew that it'd small enough to fit in the $20 starfighter box...

Sure, I knew it was gonna be tiny, but I didn't think it'd be that tiny.

No complaints, though--I'm in the camp that thinks it's better to have a small Infiltrator for $20, than none at all, ever. . .

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You're right on that.  Outside of the Titanium version of course!

But of course.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: JesseVader08 on February 5, 2007, 03:09 PM
The kid in me really likes how they designed the ship to open to reveal missiles for shooting the good guys (at least, I think that's what it's supposed to be for).  ;)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/jwall/pics/SithInfilOpen.jpg)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Nicklab on February 5, 2007, 04:48 PM
I was wondering when images like this were going to surface.  Well, we had to expect something like this when Hasbro said in the Q&A's that they were scaling this ship for the Assault Vehicles line.

I've always thought that to even get this toy in the ballpark, it would have to be sized like the B-Wing.  But that would probably doom it to being an exclusive and limit it's potential profitability.

I recall seeing an image that shows the cockpit.  It looks like it's going to be a tight fit, even for the Saga Legends Darth Maul that's on the way.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: David on February 5, 2007, 07:50 PM
wow, kind of a bummer. ugly and small. too bad, but about what i expected from hasbro.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jayson on February 5, 2007, 08:35 PM
I for one think it's gorgeous. What it lacks in scale is made up for in playability - with the weapons hidden with in the fuselage and the launching rockets from the wing supports, I'd say it's a winner.

Plus, the rehash factor is minimal other than possible packaging/pack-in variants over the next decade. Basically, we won't have to suffer through the Skittles™®© syndrome like the JSF went through.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on February 5, 2007, 10:04 PM
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Come on, guys....we KNEW this ship was going to be small (to fit into the $20 "starfighter" price range) and Hasbro ships are never, ever, ever to scale.

I already said the scale's not a shocker to me...  I knew it was going to be small.  Even I'm a little shocked at HOW small it is though.

That said, you couldn't be more wrong about how Hasbro gets "scale"...  You even cited the TIE Fighter's which actually have been to-scale if you go by models and things.  The Jedi Fighters, the Landspeeder...  Hasbro gets it right some.  It's all about what price point they're focused on for any given vehicle, not that they just underscale everything to save a buck.  The Snowspeeder's substantially oversized actually because it fits the pricepoint they want it to fit and the mold toolings are readily available.  Not everything Hasbro does is underscaled though, and when they actually get it right they do a pretty decent job...  They're not in the league of other companies that do scale toys, but they're good for what they do generally, and the price is usually in the ballpark of what one would be hopeful for.

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It seems like if you're complaining about scale, you're in the wrong hobby. 


Or it could just be that you collect substantially differently...  I collect scale toys from the military too...  It's nice when you get that with Star Wars too, especially given Hasbro's afinity towards milking a mold for every penney they invested into it to the point that they're surely reaping near pure profits on many of them at this point...  Scale will always be a complaint of mine, but that doesn't mean I'm not accepting of NOT getting a scaled AT-AT or whatnot.  The Infiltrator to me is a vehicle I think Hasbro should've just done differently...  Or not at all.  Honestly I'd rather seen something else retooled to scale (IE: The Snowspeeder, AT-ST, Y-Wing...  Something).  That's me though...  This ship also didn't mean anything to me.  I'll be just as happy not to buy it really.  It's just not a ship I'm interested in.

Had this been a grossly underscaled Y-Wing resculpt, I think I'd be much more disappointed though.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: DSJ™ on February 5, 2007, 11:15 PM
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Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on February 5, 2007, 11:18 PM
Uh oh, Hasbro's pissed.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Famine on February 5, 2007, 11:24 PM
I like it, all opened up...

Kevin
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Resurrection Bob on February 6, 2007, 02:59 AM
Count me in with those who understood it would be small, but are still surprised how small it looks.  It would be nice to see it with a figure in the cockpit to get a better idea.

I'm okay with the deploying stuff on the front end, makes me think of the Darth Maul speeder (Invasion Force?) with the deploying wing-gun things.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 6, 2007, 09:41 AM
The kid in me really likes how they designed the ship to open to reveal missiles for shooting the good guys (at least, I think that's what it's supposed to be for).  ;)



Yeah, me too. Almost makes up for the size.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Oboewan on February 6, 2007, 12:58 PM
The kid in me really likes how they designed the ship to open to reveal missiles for shooting the good guys (at least, I think that's what it's supposed to be for).  ;)



Yeah, me too. Almost makes up for the size.

Almost... but not quite!    The cockpit should be the size of a TIE fighters at the very least.   I remember thinking when I first saw TPM that Maul's ship looked like a TIE with elongated wings and a snout.    We'll be lucky if we can get 1/2 of Maul in there at this rate.  I wonder, given we now have all the faux astromechs on the Jedi Starfighters, if we'll be getting faux pilots we can use in cockpits that are too small for a standard figure....

Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on February 6, 2007, 04:18 PM
The astromech thing I understand...  the JSF's are actually to-scale, but if you watch ROTS really close you see that scale on the JSF is really iffy because the ship seems to change between the CGI model and the lifesize prop (that's sort of common actually).  In one scene R2's out of the socket real far, and in another he's recessed quite a bit.  The reality is it's like the Destroyer Droid folding in that ILM cheated a bit and full size droids just don't fit.

I'd guess that Maul (Sith Speeder) will fit fine in this ship...  It looks big enough to me by the photo that was there.  It's certainly not going to be roomy forr him though.  You won't be sneaking his droids and speeder along for the ride like the ship's supposed to do.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: tonphanan on February 6, 2007, 11:47 PM
Evolution Maul might fit just because he has more joints than any other Maul. I'll get it on clearence.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on February 7, 2007, 01:03 AM
The only thing holding that Maul back is the skirt piece...  It's partially cloth, but the longer pieces are plastic and definitely obstruct the sitting pose a bit.  They can bend though, but the back one doesn't bend easily for sitting.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dan on February 7, 2007, 06:10 AM
I understand the disappointment with the scale, but I'm a little relieved too. If they did make this thing the size of the B-wing, it ends up being a $50 TRU or $40 Target exclusive. And for the few seconds of screen time, it will work for me, if I get it. Seeing as how it would be the only TPM ship I own, I'm not sure it fits the collection.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 7, 2007, 09:43 AM
The only thing holding that Maul back is the skirt piece...  It's partially cloth, but the longer pieces are plastic and definitely obstruct the sitting pose a bit.  They can bend though, but the back one doesn't bend easily for sitting.

Keeping that in mind though, I think the cockpit should have been designed around the skirt.

Has anyone noticed that the auction was pulled?
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jayson on February 7, 2007, 09:58 AM
I'd guess that Maul (Sith Speeder) will fit fine in this ship...  It looks big enough to me by the photo that was there.  It's certainly not going to be roomy forr him though.  You won't be sneaking his droids and speeder along for the ride like the ship's supposed to do.


That's what i'll use
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on February 7, 2007, 03:24 PM
I really think this ship was designed and prototyped a long time ago Anton...  Just a hunch, but I think it's a hold-over from a past line.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Ben on February 8, 2007, 04:11 AM
It's about what I expected. I might mention I'm glad to see a vehicle in the $20 price point that isn't a Jedi Starfighter repaint.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: CHEWIE on February 8, 2007, 01:22 PM
I'm glad to see it.  Sure it's small, but better than not getting it at all.  I would rather it be around $40.00 and be about twice the size, but from the looks of it, this still is kind of cool.  Count me in for two.  One for Maul, one that I'll probably customize.

 :P
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 9, 2007, 09:36 AM
I would rather it be around $40.00 and be about twice the size,



Or have it be even a lot bigger/more expensive and be a holiday time exclusive ala the shuttle/At-At.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Matt on February 9, 2007, 10:42 AM
Or have it be even a lot bigger/more expensive and be a holiday time exclusive ala the shuttle/At-At.

. . .which were molded twenty-five years ago.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 9, 2007, 05:25 PM
Here's a picture of Maul exiting the Sith Infiltrator.  As you can see, the ship is supposed to be massive compared to the size of a human being.

(http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/trailer/maulship4.jpg)

Looking at the size of the ship in that guy's hand, this may be one of the worst scaled vehicles in the line.

(http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/89/03/d0fa_12.JPG)

Look at the upper left side where Maul's speeder bike is labeled for scale.  Also, look in the cockpit where Maul's seat is labeled for scale:

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMid09cxFOBwBUiijzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=13s2iu6ef/EXP=1171146484/**http%3A//www.matus1976.com/public/pictures/space_blueprints/isometric_cutaway/sith_infiltrator-cutaway.jpg)
Title: Re: Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 9, 2007, 05:31 PM
  :-\ watch Maul won't even fit in there like Kit Fisto and his starfighter :P >:( :(

Looking at the cockpit on the blueprint, Maul plus 50 of his closest friends should be able to sit in the cockpit all at the same time.

This vehicle is more J-U-N-K.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: speedermike on February 9, 2007, 08:28 PM
This is a nice toy.  Small, but well made.  As far as scale goes, it looks perfect for the little Unleashed guys.  Too bad there's no TPM sets yet.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on February 10, 2007, 02:01 AM
I think it's actually a fair bit underscaled to the Unleashed line...  :)  I'm not kidding...  That said I don't think it's quite as bad as you're thinking DR.  It's not a HUGE craft.  It's doable to-scale actually (not by hasbro but I think it's a believable ship one could own in their collection if they wanted to make a scratch built one, unlike say a Tantive IV *cough*snicker*cough*).

I saw a scale Infiltrator on Ebay once a long while back...  It actually wasn't a bad size.  I'm thinking Queen's Starship-ish or slightly larger from my memory but I can't quite recall specific dimensions.  It was pretty cool though.

I think it's a pretty decent looking toy...  the key word being toy.  As a fan of scale vehicles though this thing's a dismal failure. :)  I just picked up an Avenger Torpedoe Bomber for $35 at WM and I mean there's no comparison...  and it has 3 figures too.  It's a behemoth plane though...  Given the size of the ship though I didn't expect much from Hasbro on it honestly.  I think they COULD have done better (not to-scale, but better), but would've sold it in the $40 to $50 range and not cranked out as many of it for retail...  I really look at this ship though and feel like it was something they had from like 1999 and didn't put out till now to try and breath some life into the $20 pricepoint.  Just a theory I'm sticking with.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dan on February 10, 2007, 08:44 AM
I really look at this ship though and feel like it was something they had from like 1999 and didn't put out till now to try and breath some life into the $20 pricepoint.  Just a theory I'm sticking with.

I think that is a sound theory-
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 10, 2007, 11:45 AM
Or have it be even a lot bigger/more expensive and be a holiday time exclusive ala the shuttle/At-At.

. . .which were molded twenty-five years ago.

Okay, how 'bout the Queen's Royal Starship? ;)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Matt on February 10, 2007, 01:14 PM
Okay, how 'bout the Queen's Royal Starship? ;)

The same Queen's Royal Starship which wasn't an exclusive and came out during a movie year?
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: ruiner on February 10, 2007, 02:20 PM
And could be later had, on clearance, for something like $50?

Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on February 10, 2007, 02:31 PM
The Queen's Starship is a tough thing to use as a gauge because Hasbro really though 1999 was THE year they'd be dominating the toy industry...  They dominated toy aisles but the film didn't fair well with the public at large and the toy line was a dismal failure from the retail point of view...

When I look at the Queen's starship, I think Hasbro planned on selling twice as many from re-orders as they ultimately sold...  The irony is that in 2005 the line really had the legs for something big like that but they were hesitant from past precedent...  One "bad" film can really hose you in the future I think is the moral of the story.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: JangoTat on February 10, 2007, 05:45 PM
The queens starship was awsome.

"BUT it was not too scale!!!!!!!!!!!" ::)
just kidding


i did end up seeing a lot of the Star ship at clearance factories for like $20. My uncle bought me one for christmas when that happened :) But i do understand that it would be hard for hasbro to make to scale vehicles. It star wars some of these things are damn big.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 10, 2007, 06:50 PM
Well, the paint job looks decent enough...
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Artoo on February 10, 2007, 07:51 PM
I'm still un-decided, it'll probably be the only one ever. I'll have to see in person.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Greg on February 10, 2007, 09:47 PM
I'm kind of excited about this ship. Not as much as the V-Wing, but I'm still excited. It's like a Sith equivalent to the Jedi Starfighter, a decent size ship, a fun looking toy, and inexpensive. I just hope that Hasbro doesn't repaint this for Count Dooku, Darth Sidious, Emperor Palpatine, Yaerael Poof, Assajj Ventress, Darth Tyrannus, Chewbacca, and/or Darth Vader. 
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jeff on February 10, 2007, 11:30 PM
Yeah, it's small and under scaled, but I still plan to buy it.  Of course, I plan to display it with this Darth Maul:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/Toy_Fair_2007/Hasbro/TF_2007_Hasbro_0118.jpg)

Yeah, it's still out of scale even for the GH line, but at least it's closer than the 3.75" figures.   :P
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Quazar on February 12, 2007, 06:19 AM
For a ship that is on screen for a grand total of 10 seconds, the SI doesn't DESERVE a larger vehicle.

I am extremely happy with this ship.  yeah, it's small.  Is the scale any worse than the Falcon or Slave 1, though?  Awesome vehicles, both.

I am delighted we are getting this at all.  People may bitch that it's not technically a "starfighter", but it's still a one person ship.

Do we need this the size of the Queen's ship?  Hell no.  A mid-size would have been okay, but, again, it's just not nearly important enough in the scheme of things to warrant the expense and risk.

An excellet compromise by Hasbro and a very fine looking vehicle.  Can't wait!!
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on February 12, 2007, 07:50 PM
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For a ship that is on screen for a grand total of 10 seconds, the SI doesn't DESERVE a larger vehicle.

I'd file this under the same type of response as "That figure didn't do anything so he doesn't deserve more than 6 points of articulation" kind of answer. ;)  I know it's a ship you like Lance, I get that, but for me and others I think it's easily just a pass due to the scale... 

To be honest though, I don't like Slave I or the Falcon either...  Not that I ever expect either to be made to-scale, of course not, but neither one is an appealing vehicle to me either as far as Hasbro's done them...  Slave 1's a better toy though (the AOTC one that is).  The Falcon...  I dunno, most people I run into these days all agree that unless you're a die-hard vintage fan, that ship was sorely in need of a resculpting update in 1995 and in 2007 it still hasn't gotten it. ;)  I don't know too many people that think the modern Falcon's are ideal...  Definitely a ship that DESERVES a larger scale for a toy...  not to-scale, at 6 foot diameter about (yikes, it'd make a great coffee table though), but definitely a bigger toy...  It's THE ship of the original trilogy afterall.  It should be, to me, the largest toy of the line then.

The mini unleashed might look nice with the new Infiltrator too if you're not displaying GH Maul with it? :)  Maybe a 2" Maul will surface at some point for it?  It looks like it might make a good miniatures gaming centerpiece too.  The sandcrawler and AT-AT had both fit that bill too.  Definitely not my cup of tea though, but that's why I got out of ship completism.  I'm just thankful there's no pack-in is all.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Quazar on February 12, 2007, 08:25 PM
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For a ship that is on screen for a grand total of 10 seconds, the SI doesn't DESERVE a larger vehicle.

I'd file this under the same type of response as "That figure didn't do anything so he doesn't deserve more than 6 points of articulation" kind of answer. ;) 

But that's a fair argument, I think.....Hell, I love it when ANY figure is given extra articulation, but I far prefer my Luke's, Obi Wan's, clones and stormies to have the extra goods rather than a Cantina alien.

By the same token, I'm thrilled we got "large" toys in the form of the Gunship and ARC-170 (even though those ships aren't really much more important than the Infiltrator.)

I certainly don't fault you for your opinions... :), but I think getting the SI is terrific and I never would have expected ANY toy for a ship this insignificant (yet cool-looking), so I'm pleased as punch to get it.  And that's not just because it exists at all - had they done a crappy job, I would pass.  But they didn't.  Scale aside, this looks neat and I can't wait.

As to the Falcon - do we need a resculpt?  Well, that's a fair question.  But the original Falcon was a thing of beauty back in 1978 and it still is to this day.  Are the proportions wonky?  Sure, a bit.  But it's a great TOY - not a model.  It has scads of lovely features that are great for kids......back in the day, I was amazed at how much play value this thing had and I still marvel at it.  It does literally everything the Falcon in the movie did (albeit in a silly, "kiddie" kind of way.)

Would I like to see another Falcon....?  Sure, why not?  Hasbro has come a long way, I'm sure they'd dazzle us with a modern version.  And yet, I could go my entire life without getting one and never give it a second thought.  Don't really see the urgency, despite the importance and iconic nature of the toy.  The original still holds up.

Perhaps your thinking more like an adult about these kinds of things (not a criticism, mind you, just an observation.)  As toys, though, the Falcon, Slave I (both versions), and even the Sith Infiltrator (to name just a few) more than bring the goods.  Bravo, team!
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Nicklab on February 12, 2007, 08:33 PM
For a ship that is on screen for a grand total of 10 seconds, the SI doesn't DESERVE a larger vehicle.

In a world where sometimes we have to make compromises, I agree.  The Sith Infiltrator is shown in a total of what, two scenes, and only one of those is in flight.  That flight scene is a transitional scene with no dialogue and no ship to ship combat.  Had the Sith Infiltrator been involved in some kind of direct pursuit scene of the Queen's starship, or combat with the Naboo starfighters it probably would have been manufactured back in 1999 or 2000.  There had been rumors that one had been designed and shelved for years, and looking at it's role in The Phantom Menace objectively you can see that the ship isn't really inherently important to the story.

Then getting into the business aspect of things, the costs of producing a larger vehicle go up.  Especially if there's no previous tool available for the ship.  And then, how to make it profitable?  Well, consider the fact that there is probably no room in WalMart's planogram for a vehicle like this that *might* sell for $39.99 in a less scaled down form.  A version of the Infiltrator at that price point would still be scaled down, but might satisfy more collectors.  But since it's a non-movie year and WalMart is Hasbro's biggest account, WalMart wins that argument. The largest vehicle that they're likely to accept that is not an exclusive is in the Assault Vehicle line and that retails for $19.99 - $24.99.

So can I live with this particular compromise?  Sure.  Because we're not likely to see a project come along from Lucasfilm where Darth Maul plays a prominant part as does his Sith Infiltrator.  We're not likely to see Hasbro say we made a mistake and it's way off scale, let's make it right.  And having seen it in person now, I think it looks alright.  The paint apps look dead-on.  The landing gear looked right.  It doesn't look outwardly deformed by being scaled down.  And having loved the vehicle line as I have since 1978, I'll be adding this one to my collection along with all of my out of scale X-Wing's, TIE Fighters, Falcons, Republic Gunships, ARC-170's, Y-Wings and Snowspeeders.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 28, 2007, 09:00 PM
Kenner/Hasbro: ******* up it's Star Wars vehicles since 1977

What a grossly undercaled piece of garbage this vehicle is.

What we're getting (what I'll be leaving on the shelf):

(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2007/hasbro_sithInfiltratorAd.jpg)

What it is supposed to look like:

(http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/trailer/maulship4.jpg)

Maul's supposed to be scaled against this ship like you would be scaled boarding a 747 jet.  He should not appear to be able to ride the Infiltrator horseback.

Hasbro is so bad at this it's not even humorous anymore.

Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Matt on March 1, 2007, 12:12 AM
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Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: MetalJedi on March 1, 2007, 01:08 AM
Hasbro is so bad at this it's not even humorous anymore.

And complaining about it constantly will change everything.  ::)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2007, 01:09 AM
I thought this was just sort of funny since it's just food for thought on this topic...

The same day Hasbro's ad gets shown showing off their new vehicles, 21st Century Toys announces:

(http://www.21stcenturytoys.com/area21/newsItems/B_25announce/full/1.jpg)
1:18 scale B-25 Mitchell Bomber (http://www.21stcenturytoys.com/area21/articles.asp?newsID=256)

45" Wingspan, 36" long...  

For those unfamiliar with the plane, it was made popular from the famed "Doolittle Raid" on Japan shortly after Pearl Harbor...  

I just found it funny that Hasbro's showing off the Infiltrator the same day as a 1:18 scale bomber is announced by another toy company...  It gave me a chuckle.  It's of course going to be substantially more costly than a $20 Sith Infiltrator though, a ship that barely was noticed in a film that's easily forgotten by LFL/Hasbro it seems.  Still, there's a certain ammount of humor there to me.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth_Anton on March 1, 2007, 09:43 AM
Hasbro is so bad at this it's not even humorous anymore.

And complaining about it constantly will change everything.  ::)

Seriously.  Relax Dressel, you'll live longer. What would I do without you to harass me? ;)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 1, 2007, 11:37 AM
I'm completely relaxed.

I just don't see the point of Hasbro going to the well and making an all new mold, and creating one that's grossly and humorously out of whack, to the point that the Infiltrator looks completely absurd with the intended figure next to it, Maul. 

I think the problem is that a lot of you don't care about detail or quality.  Or if it isn't that you don't care, it's just that you don't see it.  Maybe you don't have that kind of spacial relations or scale perception kind of analytical ability.  Jesse does.  I do.  But I just don't see how a lot of you are giving this thing a grade of anything other than an "F".  At least in the 3 3/4" figure scale it is.  You know those tiny little 1/4" figures that come with the Star Wars Transformers?  Those are the correct scale for this ship.

But I'm just saying, from where I'm sitting, that Infiltrator is a complete miserable failure.

I'm so relaxed I've even got my feet up as I write this.  I just think that if you're going to do something, especially if you're starting from scratch, do it right or don't do it at all.  Because this thing is a laughable joke and it looks flat out silly.

I guess it's just annoying to finally get this ship 7 years after the movie, and the long anticipated product to be such a colossal **** up.

Now it's time to play psychiatrist.  I think Matt, MetalJedi and Anton basically telling me to relax here actually equates to them saying "I agree, but I'm so disappointed in this ship too that I can't stand to be reminded anymore."  I know you guys hate to agree with me, but sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet blaster bolt.

 :P
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 1, 2007, 11:54 AM

Seriously.  Relax Dressel, you'll live longer. What would I do without you to harass me? ;)


I'll get started on some videos and letters to be released after I'm gone.  I'll make sure you have a steady stream of irritating (yet well thought out) ideas, philosophies and propaganda to raise your blood pressure on a regular basis.  It'll be like I never left.

 :)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Brian on March 1, 2007, 12:06 PM
I'll likely be passing on this one as well.  I don't have much room for ships/etc. as it is, and tend to lean more towards the OT offerings - so the fact that it is so grossly out of scale kind of seals the deal to me.  I'm not someone that is quite as concerned with scale as others here, but its nice if it is somewhere in the neighborhood.  It kind of bothers me that new tooling costs were dedicated to the Infiltrator, instead of something like - for example - the Cloud Car, which they could probably make to scale at that pricepoint.  Sure, I understand a "sith fighter" is probably a better seller with the kiddos - and that's what Hasbro is thinking, but it would have been nice to see.  Hopefully that will happen eventually, although I'm guessing not this year anymore.  I think the V-Wing and Sith Infiltrator will be it for truly "new" vehicles this year.  Anyways, a likely pass here too, but it might make a cool toy - and kids might like it (probably more so back in 99/2000 though - I don't know how much interest there is in TPM stuff in general anymore.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Nicklab on March 1, 2007, 12:08 PM
The ludicrous thing that this thread screams out to me is that nobody is investigating WHY Hasbro felt the need to scale the Sith Infiltrator down.  And it all boils down to WalMart.  WalMart remains Hasbro's biggest account, is the US's largest retail outlet for toy sales, and as a result holds great sway over what Hasbro can and cannot sell.  If WalMart does not want a $39.99 Sith Infiltrator in their stores in a non-movie year, then Hasbro has to fall in line.  In fact WalMart holds that kind of influence with a number of manufacturers who want their products in WalMart stores.

So is there outrage over that part of the equation?  Not really.  Because people don't want to look that deeply into the issue.  Personally it makes me want to avoid WalMart stores at all costs.  And for the most part I do except for when they have an exclusive.  I'd rather shop at Toys R Us and Target stores.

Now did Hasbro miss the boat on the Sith Infiltrator?  Yes.  They had their window of opportunity and let it pass them by.  They should have produced this in 1999 when Star Wars was DOMINATING toy sections.  In 1999 they could have made the Sith Infiltrator in a scale that might be more appropriate, but probably would have been somewhat scaled down in order to sell at a $39.99 price point.  WalMart would have carried it at that time.  But like I said, that time has passed and I'm sure there are a number of people at Hasbro who wish they could do the EPISODE I line all over again.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: CHEWIE on March 1, 2007, 12:36 PM
Yeah, 1999 or 2000 would have been the ideal year to make this, at least then it probably would have been made larger.  I'll still get this, and realize very, very out of scale and a little silly looking compared to a figure standing next to it.  I'd rather it be out of scale that not made at all though.

Personally though I'm actually wanting to customize it.   ;D

 :P
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: MetalJedi on March 1, 2007, 02:16 PM
Now it's time to play psychiatrist.  I think Matt, MetalJedi and Anton basically telling me to relax here actually equates to them saying "I agree, but I'm so disappointed in this ship too that I can't stand to be reminded anymore."  I know you guys hate to agree with me, but sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet blaster bolt.

 :P

Actually, when I saw the pics I wasn't disappointed because Hasbro loves to give us underscaled vehicles. I'm used to it. Should I be? Probably not, but complaining to Hasbro isn't going to make them change it.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: CHEWIE on March 1, 2007, 02:54 PM
No they're not going to change this ship and probably will never make a larger version, but showing unrest might help influence them to not try and make the next ship that undersized.  Of course the real factor to them comes down to dollars in their pocket, but I hope the next time they make a new sculpt of a decent sized vehicle, it's more to scale than this.  I think more people would have preferred this being more of a $40.00-$50.00 range toy closer to the size of the X-Wing.  I would think that TRU would have wanted to carry it, but that would probably push the price up another 10% or so.  But heck I would have paid it.

 :P
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2007, 04:07 PM
I'm a firm believer in complaining about anything you want change in MetalJedi...  Seriously, don't doubt the persuasive power of repetitive citing of flaws.  Hasbro surprises you once in a while, and scale vehicles are in their grasp, I'm certain of that...

Now me personally, I don't think the Sith Infiltrator was really "possible" to-scale...  Larger than this, it most certainly is.  I think $30 to $40 pricepoint was doable for this ship.  A problem with the SI though is it's repaintability...  It's less than a fighter I think.  It's a tougher sell to slap a new deco on this and try to EU-it to collectors...  Jedi Fighters, that is easy.  And really Hasbro could do it with any Rebel Fighter too...  Just look at the Titanium 3" ships if you want to see the various routes they COULD go...  Green Squad A-Wings are another fine example.

The Infiltrator...  Not so much.

So to me I didn't expect a larger vehicle, I wouldn't "accept" something underscale even if it's 80% to the actual scale it should be, and Hasbro just wouldn't have an easy time repainting this to max out their investment.  So I understand why they did what they did...  to an extent at least.  I personally would've aimed for $30 and had it rest as a centerpiece to this year's vehicle line-up, but that's me and my business model, not theirs.  And it'd still be incredibly underscaled.

Hasbro's completely capable of making things to actual scale though.  Of that I have zero doubt.  I just think some vehicles are out of that grasp and the Infiltrator falls into that category (though not by much...  An AT-AT, or Sandcrawler, are way out of the running, the Infiltrator is just out of it by a margin).

In my ideal Star Wars Collecting World, Hasbro would make all vehicles to-scale and would skip anything that was prohibitively large like this.  I'd rather do without the SI honestly, and see the money put into something else that's done right...  An X-Wing would be my ideal first choice in a premium ship/vehicle line...  Then the Y-Wing.  Then the AT-ST...  B-Wing...  Cloud Car...  Slave-1...  N1 Starfighter (needs work, but it's scale is already decent)...  Snowspeeder...  etc.  And repaints of them mixed in for exclusives and such.  Different fighter squadrons, Slave 1 with Dancing Twi-Lek Girl "nose art", other EU paint schemes, etc. 

But that's just me.  I'd rather not have any Sith Infiltrator than have one like they are doing, but I'm thinking of it from the perspective of where the money for it could have gone and been better spent elsewhere.  Or at least as I perceive it to be "better spent".  Some people love the SI regardless and obviously the money was spent right where they think it should've been.

Now the V-Wing...  I'm in for a number of those as I'm 90% sure it's to-scale.  This year's been saved for me. :)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: MetalJedi on March 1, 2007, 05:44 PM
I'm a firm believer in complaining about anything you want change in MetalJedi...  Seriously, don't doubt the persuasive power of repetitive citing of flaws.  Hasbro surprises you once in a while, and scale vehicles are in their grasp, I'm certain of that...

I understand that, but it took them forever to give us a scale X-Wing and a Tie Fighter with correct wings, ships that are both in 3 of the 6 movies. I never expected them to make a scale SI. Granted complaining does effect some changes in the figure line, but I don't remember them doing much with the vehicle line. I know they are capable of giving us scale vehicles but I'm sure they'd rather just throw something together and give us "something" instead of nothing.

I'm with the ones who say they missed the boat when TPM was out. Why wait almost 10 years to give us something that could of been to scale and *gasp* an exclusive and released when TPM merch was everywhere instead of jammed into the mid size vehicle line later on in the line especially in a non movie year.

Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 1, 2007, 08:20 PM
I'm a firm believer in complaining about anything you want change in MetalJedi...  Seriously, don't doubt the persuasive power of repetitive citing of flaws.  Hasbro surprises you once in a while, and scale vehicles are in their grasp, I'm certain of that...

I understand that, but it took them forever to give us a scale X-Wing and a Tie Fighter with correct wings, ships that are both in 3 of the 6 movies. I never expected them to make a scale SI. Granted complaining does effect some changes in the figure line, but I don't remember them doing much with the vehicle line.


Plus we have this thread here to talk about the Infiltrator, what do you want to do, praise this piece of garbage?
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: MetalJedi on March 1, 2007, 09:18 PM
Plus we have this thread here to talk about the Infiltrator, what do you want to do, praise this piece of garbage?

Naw, I'll leave that up to you since that's all you've been doing lately.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Paul on March 16, 2007, 08:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuMjqPSM2Qk

Here is Hasbro on video demonstrating the Sith Infiltrator......

Oh and quess who that is in the background taking Photos?  (Hint:it is not me or Rob, but it is a Forum member and one of the first people I met in NYC)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: JesseVader08 on March 19, 2007, 03:27 AM
A forum member?  You've got me stumped Paul.  ???
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: ruiner on March 19, 2007, 10:15 AM
Cory Chaos?

Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: MetalJedi on April 15, 2007, 12:17 AM
Anyone find this or the V-Wing as of late?
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 15, 2007, 09:59 AM
No. It seems that everyone's getting the previous assortment.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Artoo on April 15, 2007, 08:21 PM
Nope, WM dosen't even have room for ships. The SW part is squished together next to that "Naruto". It used to be pretty big until SM3. ::)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Nathan on April 16, 2007, 03:48 PM
Is it absurdly underscaled? Of course.

Do I think making it any larger is really practical in the current retail environment? No. Frankly, as it is, I think this will sit.

Do I still like it, as a toy? Definitely.

Am I going to buy it? No, but only because it's too low on the priority list. I would do so if I had unlimited money/space.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: DarkKnight2k4 on April 16, 2007, 03:51 PM
I have never seen on on the shelf.

My PT focus character is Maul.

So I bought it... I don't love it... but it may be the only one I get for a while... so I bought it.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: ruiner on April 16, 2007, 04:27 PM

So I bought it...

...so I bought it.


So you bought it?
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 16, 2007, 06:42 PM
I think he bought it.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: DarkKnight2k4 on April 17, 2007, 07:51 AM
I think so... I know i did...  :P
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 17, 2007, 04:50 PM
Okay, he bought it.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Famine on April 17, 2007, 06:46 PM
He bought it?

Kevin
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: P-Siddy on April 17, 2007, 07:05 PM
Lol! Seriously, did he really buy it??
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 17, 2007, 07:27 PM
We're thinkin' yeah.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: David on April 17, 2007, 08:13 PM
I haven't bought it...I havent seen it on the shelves yet...so I haven't bought it.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Artoo on April 17, 2007, 09:03 PM
Robo-quack didn't buy it.  :P
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: CorranHorn on May 4, 2007, 07:55 PM
I just picked up the Sith Infiltrator this evening and it's a fun toy to have. The action features work nice as there's a lot of buttons to press with wings opening and missiles shooting. The sculpt is good too as it seems to match the ship design real well and there's all sorts of nooks and crannies which shows Hasbro paid attention to detail. My concerns come from a lack of a Maul that can sit - TPM Softgoods Maul would do the trick if it wasn't for his craptacular left arm - and the fact that it appears the front end fuselages don't completely seal at the nose of the ship. There's a small gap at the nose which is a bit bothersome to me. Has anyone else who owns the ship seen this happen on theirs?
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: iFett on May 4, 2007, 08:15 PM
I'm actually too afraid to open mine because I don't want to be dissapointed.  :-\
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: DarkKnight2k4 on May 4, 2007, 10:46 PM
You and me both. I have had mine for about three weeks and have not looked at it for that reason.

But if I could find myself a V-Wing then that would be different.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on May 5, 2007, 03:37 PM
This ship is such a thoroughly miserable failure that Hasbro would have been better off not doing it at all, or not doing it until they found a way to do it right.  Just look at the photo of Maul coming out of his ship from the movie.  Hands down the worst vehicle ever produced, including vintage.

(http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/TACsithinfiltratorMaul.jpg)

(http://spaceships.30doradus.org/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=329&g2_serialNumber=2)

(http://spaceships.30doradus.org/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=331&g2_serialNumber=2)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: iFett on May 5, 2007, 05:16 PM
I know that scale has always been an issue regarding vehicles between Kenner & Hasbro, but this is just plain ridiculous.  This thing looks almost on scale as to the SW TF version.  Oh well, I'm sure the kiddies will like this ship...

I plan on leaving mine boxed.......but I can't wait to rip into that V-Wing !!
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Reid on May 5, 2007, 07:02 PM


(http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/TACsithinfiltratorMaul.jpg)


Jeez. That thing looks like a Micro Machines vehicle.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: David on May 5, 2007, 07:55 PM
I wouldnt call it the WORST vehicle ever. It looks awesome, it looks really sweet next to Maul, the only problem is the scale, and we've seen worse scale probs before. I just appreciate that Hasbro finally bothered to make the infiltrator.

I for one cant wait to find mine!!!  8)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on May 5, 2007, 09:20 PM
It looks awesome, it looks really sweet next to Maul

Okay, go here, then look again (http://www.pearlevision.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/PearleVision/StoreContent/index/index.jsp?langId=-1&catalogId=10001&storeId=10001)


the only problem is the scale

And that's one hell of a huge problem.


and we've seen worse scale probs before

I really don't think we have.  The AT-AT maybe.


I just appreciate that Hasbro finally bothered to make the infiltrator.

Yeah maybe they will release the 1/16" inch figure to go with it someday.

But for now we can use this one, even though the figure is way too big:

(http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/1072/2106a.jpg)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: David on May 6, 2007, 12:52 PM
(http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/1072/2106a.jpg)

 :P  :P  :P  :P

PS Thats a cool Maul holo repaint btw. Who did that?
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: iFett on May 6, 2007, 01:00 PM
Well I went against my better half and actually cracked this sucker open....The ship is painfully out of scale, but it doesn't "appear" to be too bad as long as you keep any figures away from it - far far away.  I was also suprised to see how deep the cavity is inside for a fig.  And where are my labels for this and my V-Wing??  The box indicates that they're included, but not in my samples..

and the fact that it appears the front end fuselages don't completely seal at the nose of the ship. There's a small gap at the nose which is a bit bothersome to me. Has anyone else who owns the ship seen this happen on theirs?

Mine fits together quite snug actually, but I've had a problem with the right side "sticking" which requires some bumping and banging to get it to fit correctly.  Of which I don't mind as it feels good to take some aggression out on this toy....which should have been much larger.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Jesse James on May 7, 2007, 02:17 AM
I saw this, passed...

I think it's a good toy, from what I've heard, but that's all...  I think kids'll dig it though and adults who don't mind scale issues, which are the majority ultimately.  We'd never have gotten anything remotely cloes to-scale on this.  Put it at a $30 pricepoint and you still couldn't get close to-scale guys, so it's not worth even debating...  It wouldn't have happened. 

There's far worse too...  Falcon comes to mind.  It's not proportional or remotely to-scale.  The AT-AT, Rebel Transport, Shuttle (it's really underscaled, trust me), AT-ST's grossly out of scale (I'd say %-wise it's as off as the Infiltrator actually), the Y-Wing's a little closer to it's scale size but it's still way off obviously... 

There are worse or equally bad out there obviously. :)
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: DarkKnight2k4 on May 7, 2007, 08:31 AM
If I wasn't jst going to hang it in a corner of my ceiling I would have passed. But my Maul focus got the best of me.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on May 7, 2007, 09:39 AM
I saw this, passed...

I think it's a good toy, from what I've heard, but that's all...  I think kids'll dig it though and adults who don't mind scale issues, which are the majority ultimately.  We'd never have gotten anything remotely cloes to-scale on this.  Put it at a $30 pricepoint and you still couldn't get close to-scale guys, so it's not worth even debating...  It wouldn't have happened. 

There's far worse too...  Falcon comes to mind.  It's not proportional or remotely to-scale.  The AT-AT, Rebel Transport, Shuttle (it's really underscaled, trust me), AT-ST's grossly out of scale (I'd say %-wise it's as off as the Infiltrator actually), the Y-Wing's a little closer to it's scale size but it's still way off obviously... 

There are worse or equally bad out there obviously. :)

Yeah, what can you say.  Now by this era of 30 AC, they've gotten pretty good at figures, but are still really ****** at vehicles.

That's it in a nutshell.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: ruiner on May 7, 2007, 10:03 AM
To me, it's no big deal.  I know Hasbro is in this to make toys - scale, in some cases, is not important. 

They've said that retail can only support a $20 PP for vehicles, so that's what they're doing.

I'd rather sell 50,000 $20 ships than 5,000 $100 ships.

Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Nicklab on May 7, 2007, 06:04 PM
Hasbro stated what the tradeoff was here:  It was either a $20 assault vehicle line Sith Infiltrator or there would be no Sith Infiltrator at all. 

Additionally, it cost so much to develop and tool that it was not feasible to do as an exclusive.  And a retail exclusive is the only way that the Sith Infiltrator could be done at a different/more accurate scale.  The window of opportunity for this vehicle to be done in a larger scale passed in 2000.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on May 8, 2007, 03:06 PM
Nice looking ship, crappy scale is the overall concenus to which I agree. I understand all the $20 size logistics but they could have designed landing that actully works. the limp landing feet needs some viagra real bad.....Darth Maul's Sith Limpfiltrater!
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: iFett on May 9, 2007, 12:41 PM
Looking at the DPCI numbers had me wonder why Hasbro won't deviate from their "magic" $19.99 price point....

$24.99 Bomber
$29.99 ARC

I think that a $30 Infiltrator would have worked much better, not perfect - but better
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Darth Broem on May 9, 2007, 09:35 PM
See I don't think it would have done well at all at the $30 pricepoint myself.  I think it may warm enough as is at the $20 price.  Obviously it would have done great around the time Ep1 came out, but oh well. 
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: Dressel Rebel on May 9, 2007, 10:46 PM
See I don't think it would have done well at all at the $30 pricepoint myself.  I think it may warm enough as is at the $20 price.  Obviously it would have done great around the time Ep1 came out, but oh well. 

I think for the extra $10 in size (imagine it's the size of a Gunship instead of the size it is now) more people would be buying it because it'd suck less.
Title: Re: 30AC Sith Infiltrator
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on May 10, 2007, 10:01 AM
That extra $10=$2.25-2.50 in Hasbro's development cost they could have put in. That buys you alot more ship. they could have added a really cool pod section with a real probe droid launcher and room for his speeder bike. This really had the potntial to be more. I am not buying the price point crap when TRU is charging $45 a pop for vehicles. If this was exclusive it would blow of the shelves. Too bad, this vehicle is not horrible but is a not the frontrunner on display vehicles when your display area is limited.....