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Collectibles => The Vintage Collection => Topic started by: Jeff on April 15, 2017, 07:04 PM
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More details soon, but just announced at the Hasbro Panel at Star Wars Celebration -
The Vintage Collection is returning in Spring 2018; available at most major retailers and on HasbroToyShop.com! They showed a carded sample Rey to kick things off.
There is also a Fan Poll to select a character to add to the 3.75" Vintage Collection - look for more details on JediDefender's participation in that poll later tonight!
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Great news! Glad to hear this development.
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Time to bring back the wish lists?
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Awesome! I just hope no self-righteous turds take credit for it. :D
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Next spring is SO far away. But yay Vintage is back.
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Awesome! I just hope no self-righteous turds take credit for it. :D
Too late (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=20111).
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I'm really excited to hear this.
I hope the lineup is bigger than I expect it to be, and I hope this replaces the Walmart Black Series 3.75" completely.
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Though some may ask why not have TVC out this year, the timing next year is perfect for the 40th Anniversary of the Kenner line. Looking forward to the return as a mass retail item, hopefully at a $9.99 msrp (less would be nice but unrealistic).
Rmember everyone vote Corran Horn for the TVC Fan Choice figure :)
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I hope it's $10 but worried it will actually be higher than it is now.
And everyone vote Dorme! ;)
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I hope it's $10 but worried it will actually be higher than it is now.
And everyone vote Dorme! ;)
Sadly, I fear your worries are going to come true :(
Would Dorme come with a burning action feature? :)
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These are at a very minimum going to cost what the Black Series costs.
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Dorme never burned! That was Corde (I think). Dorme was left on Coruscant when Anakin and Padme went to go hate sand.
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The fact that these will be available at broad retail gives me *SOME* hope that this new incarnation of The Vintage Collection will be priced around the same point as the WalMart exclusive Black Series. And Hasbro's Marvel Universe figures are also priced at $12.99. It looks like Hasbro wants to do volume sales, and that's what helps keep prices down.
I think the big question will be about character selection. In order for the line to truly be healthy, I think it will need to focus on new/current movies and TV properties. No doubt, some OT and PT legacy characters will get worked in there. And I do hope that this gives us the opportunity to fill in those last gaps from the Kenner vintage line in modern forms. But I'm really eager to see how Hasbro will address SA versions of characters from the REBELS animated series, THE FORCE AWAKENS, ROGUE ONE, THE LAST JEDI and even the upcoming Han Solo standalone movie.
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Yes. No modern Sim Aloo after 22 years is criminal.
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If the Han movie maintains its May 2018 date (no word yet this weekend about it) then I imagine the first wave(s) will be heavily influenced by that movie. That could be good or bad, depending on how the movie does. I figure it will do ok. ;) I think we'll see some heavy TLJ stuff too in that first group, which I figure shows up right around the DVD (a year from now) . But I agree, I think we'll see just a smattering of previous movies worked in alongside whatever is going on at the moment.
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I agree with the thoughts on price. It'll be really interesting to see what the return of TVC is going to cost us. $13 like carded 3.75" Black Series line was? More to give us quality we want? Less due to volume potential? Will the line continue to be 50% repacks in order to make the $ work? Wait and see, I guess...
Time to bring back the wish lists?
Probably next summer after we get a look at some of the stuff coming in 2018 and see if anything that is coming will actually let us cross off figure wants from the 2013 lists. :P
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I was hoping this would happen around the TLJ release, but oh well. Gives WM time to clear out that backstock of 4" Black Series.
Man, I'm stoked for this. Now I wish I hadn't sold off my carded TVC collection. :'(
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Dorme never burned! That was Corde (I think). Dorme was left on Coruscant when Anakin and Padme went to go hate sand.
I thought Cordi took a ribar through the stomach? Oops sorry wrong verse :)
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Thank GOD this means the end of the WM exclusive line. I'm still unconvinced that half of those figures actually exist.
Funny that the last 2 years of Black Series figures were 90% TVC repacks, and now TVC is resurrected with a Black Series figure.
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They've already shown a repacked Rey. I just worry about a wave of repackaged TFA figures that have been warming pegs for about a year.
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I watched the reveal video from the panel. It seems like the Jakku Rey is a lock given the way they revealed it. That looks like a straight-up reissue of the WalMart exclusive 3.75" Black Series figure, right down to the accessories. I would have hoped that they would do a Starkiller Base version of Rey (with the Stormtrooper blaster, lightsaber and no gloves), but I guess they want to get some value out of the WalMart version before doing any revisions.
I'm also hopeful that this means we'll see some of the harder to find WalMart 3.75" Black Series figure in this line. The Scarif Stormtrooper and Cassian Andor are a prime example of how this exclusive arrangement may not have worked so well for collectors.
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I'm fine with Rogue One repacks but not TFA. At least not right away.
Apparently 2014 was the last time we did the Top Ten lists. Time to bring them out of retirement and add The Force Awakens, Rebels, Rogue One and maybe by the time we've gotten through all of the movies and cartoons, we'll have ideas for The Last Jedi.
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My hobby is back!!!
I am unbelievably stoked, especially because they'll no longer be exclusive. The last two years have been dark times indeed for my collecting. My big wish is that they knock out some more of the original 93 as they go. A new Yakface or a Bespin Guard would be very welcome. (Know there's more, those we the first two I could think of off the top of my head.)
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I saw a Hasbro report from Imperial Holocron (https://twitter.com/ImpHolocron/status/853614656719659010) that says the new Vintage Collection will be in the $13-ish range...
The Scarif Stormtrooper and Cassian Andor are a prime example of how this exclusive arrangement may not have worked so well for collectors.
Yeah, fingers crossed that the Scarif Shore Trooper gets TVC carded treatment so I can finally get my dang hands on a nice sized squad!
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Yeah, fingers crossed that the Scarif Shore Trooper gets TVC carded treatment so I can finally get my dang hands on a nice sized squad!
Don't worry, the moment I coughed up $30 for one, it became total destiny that they'd be everywhere eventually.
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Keep in mind, guys; the Phasma wave showed up in mass a year after it's release, and one of the asian sellers ended up selling TFA Stormtrooper in sets of 5 for $30 recently. My fingers are crossed that we'll see that for both the DeathTrooper and Scariff trooper at some point in quantity.
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and one of the asian sellers ended up selling TFA Stormtrooper in sets of 5 for $30 recently. My fingers are crossed that we'll see that for both the DeathTrooper and Scariff trooper at some point in quantity.
Damn, I wish I'd have seen that one. You don't know which one it was by chance?
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I think the movie will do well, but it will probably be the weakest of the Disney era movies.
I haven't seen any images, do the figures look like they will be SA or 5POA? If it's the former, I am going to go broke! ;D
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There's no doubt Rey will be front and center in this line. I imagine we'll see both this version and a TLJ version right off the bat. Which I'm cool with, because I love these characters and want to see them in the vintage style. Which means I'll have to make some tough decisions come next year as far as what I buy. If I go nuts and end up buying 2 of each like last time then I'll have to cut back or cut out the six inch line, which has been growing on me quite a bit. Not a huge deal since I'm in no way a completist with those (SDCC exclusives prevented that and I'm a 42 year old lifer with NO SPACE). Wait. I have no space.
:'(
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and one of the asian sellers ended up selling TFA Stormtrooper in sets of 5 for $30 recently. My fingers are crossed that we'll see that for both the DeathTrooper and Scariff trooper at some point in quantity.
Damn, I wish I'd have seen that one. You don't know which one it was by chance?
Viperkingdom. They've got some now!
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I haven't seen any images, do the figures look like they will be SA or 5POA? If it's the former, I am going to go broke! ;D
The figure that was shown in the panel presentation was the Walmart Black Series Rey on a TVC card. The press info released says "highly articulated" so not 5POA. 5POA line will most likely continue in some form alongside TVC in 2018.
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Super happy to hear this news this weekend. Like everyone else, I loved the vintage line and look forward to its return. I wish it was this fall instead of next spring, but oh well. I'm curious to see if this will be the "main line" like it was in the TVC days or if it will be more limited like VOTC/VTSC lineups. Will it take the place of the deluxe lines? Will 5 POA still be the regular main line?
Either way, great news. I do find it kind of funny how many comments I've read elsewhere where everyone is suddenly more than happy to pay $15-$20 for these. I remember people complaining when VOTC went to $10 and that was the "ceiling". Maybe Hasbro are secretly geniuses by taking this away and making people willing to pay $5 more now 😉
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I haven't seen any images, do the figures look like they will be SA or 5POA? If it's the former, I am going to go broke! ;D
The figure that was shown in the panel presentation was the Walmart Black Series Rey on a TVC card. The press info released says "highly articulated" so not 5POA. 5POA line will most likely continue in some form alongside TVC in 2018.
I thank you Jeff....my wallet does not. ;D
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Awesome! I just hope no self-righteous turds take credit for it. :D
Too late (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=20111).
Wow that guy is such a ******bag.
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**** YESSSSSSS!!!!!! I haven't bought a Star Wars figure in about 2 years, so I'm really looking forward to having the hobby back.
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I'm hoping they group the waves into movies, kind of like how they did it during the legacy era. Would be nice for there to be a Rogue One Wave, TFA Wave, Last Jedi Wave, etc.
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That would be cool, any maybe they will with all these new movies to draw from. If it went back to the format it was in of like 6 figures or so from each film with some mains, an army builder or two and a couple obscure aliens from each movie, I'd bounce off the ceiling. This sort of concentrated wave is probably the only way we'll get certain characters. If it follows the Wal-Mart arrangement then I doubt highly we'll see much in the way of obscurity. Very curious to see how the final poll turns out.
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If it follows the Wal-Mart arrangement then I doubt highly we'll see much in the way of obscurity.
That's why I'm holding all my excitement until we know more. I want to believe and I want to be excited, but the other half of my brain is worried that a TFA wave would just be the 8 Walmart Black Series figures on vintage-style cards for $13. I can't say I'd be too jazzed for current $6 clearance figures to be on fancy cards for $13.
IF however, a TFA Wave was announced with SA versions of General Leia, Luke, Takodana Han, Flametrooper, Ello Asty, and Lor San Tekka.... then I'll be more than happy to jump on the overly-positive bandwagon. ;)
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Since we're having fun - themed waves I'd like to see:
TFA:
Han Solo
Luke Skywalker
FO Snowtrooper
General Leia
ME-8D9
Vober Dand
Rogue One:
Cassian Andor (U-Wing Vest Thingy)
Jyn Erso (Imperial Disguise)
General Merrick
Weeteef
Silvanie Phest (Jedha Pilgrim)
Imperial Hover Tank Commander
Clone Wars / Rebels
Clone Commander Fil (Lair of Grievous)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (Mando Armor)
Duchess Satine (it's my list!)
Agent Kallus
Satine (Imperial TIE Pilot Disguise)
Bo Katan (2 for 1!)
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HAVING FUN? That's not what collecting is about!
I dunno...themed waves can clog retail...like say, an all Episode 1 wave. But that's the worst case scenario.
Still, if there were a Phantom Menace wave.
-Naboo Royal Security
-Pilot Battle Droid
-Kitster (they'd never include Wald, maybe a pit droid, though)
-An/Tan Gella (two seperate cards, same figure...feel the collecter ire!)
-Captain Tarpals
-Tey How
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I'm always up for making lists!
THE FORCE AWAKENS
-Han Solo (Eravana / Takodana)
-Athgar Heece (Jakku bounty hunter)
-ME-8D9
-Bala Tik (Guavian Death Gang)
-Poe Dameron (Jakku)
-Jess Pava
ROGUE ONE
-Jyn Erso (Jedha)
-Director Krennic (Eadu)
-Caitken (Mon Cal Rebel officer)
-Benthic Two-Tubes
-Private Basteren (Scarif Rebel strike team)
-Shoretrooper Captain
REBELS (Realistic)
-Kanan Jarrus (Season 3)
-C1-10P (Chopper)
-Hera Syndulla
-Sabine Wren
-Gar Saxon
-Imperial Jump Trooper
PT
-Pilot Battle Droid
-Senator Amidala (AOTC Palpatine's office)
-Obi-Wan Kenobi (AOTC Kamino fight)
-Chancellor Palpatine / Darth Sidious (ROTS office duel)
-Nute Gunray (ROTS)
-Senator Toonbuck Toora (AOTC)
OT
-Luke Skywalker (Bespin duel - battle damaged)
-Giant Mouse Droid (ROTJ)
-Tzizvt (ANH Cantina)
-Shasa Tiel (ROTJ Jabba's palace)
-Princess Leia Organa (Bespin escape)
-Sim Aloo (Imperial dignitary)
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I dunno...themed waves can clog retail...like say, an all Episode 1 wave. But that's the worst case scenario.
I completely agree. I think there needs to a mix between different movies with a mix of army builders, carry forwards, all new "mass appeal" figures, and more collector niche figures.
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Scott, people are itching to do lists again!! ;)
One thing I'm happy about is that Romodi is official (and has lines in Rogue One), so I feel I am not squandering a vote on one of the Death Star Conference guys that sit there, say nothing and are seen in maybe two quick shots.
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Looks like Hasbro is going to show some more TVC stuff at Hascon this weekend... including a new TVC Supreme Leader Snoke:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJKjpECWsAAqPKn.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJKtSGwVAAAAkkD.jpg:large)
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I am loving these. Love the logos for the ST and Snoke is a nice surprise.
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Space crack-head Snoke!
It's a shame they took "We want echo base rebel trooper back" as "we want the Hoth Rebel Trooper back". But that's a worthy figure, too.
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Thanks again to efranks/ImperialHolocron.com (http://ImperialHolocron.com) for sharing pics! Looks like they took Snoke out of the case today...
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21462264_1484245718388632_3832691108160212098_n.jpg?oh=3f1cf9ccd1ae94bc45e9c537e78294ea&oe=5A514DCF)
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Steve Evans of Hasbro officially reveals TVC Supreme Leader Snoke on his instagram account (https://www.instagram.com/p/BYyuj-HlQlD/?taken-by=mrstevie18) -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJOrVAbUMAAvDS2.jpg)
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It's funny, with Snoke out of there, it is all repacks....but they still look beautiful. Looking forward to the vintage return next year.
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I am loving these. Love the logos for the ST and Snoke is a nice surprise.
+1 I'm so excited for the return of the vintage line.
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So happy this collection is coming back! I'm going to be so broke!
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Ah finally! I actually just went and ordered Jyn, Cassian and a couple Deathtroopers to officially begin collecting Star Wars again. I don't know how far down the rabbit hole I'm going to go with episodes 7-9, but I'm really excited to get some more stuff from the OT and Rogue One. Eh, **** it...I'll probably be all-in, as long as it's super articulated.
I'm not really thinking themed waves, but here's some figures I'd like to see sooner rather than later...
OT
• Yakface
• Palpatine with throne
• Tonnika Sisters (can't believe we're still asking for these two)
• Wuher (updated)
• Shasa Tiel
Rogue One
• Director Krennic
• Mon Mothma
• K-2SO
• The whole ******* squad
• Pretty much everyone in that movie
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• Pretty much everyone in that movie
About sums it up!
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Glad this collection is returning. Hope they get to Jedi Master Luke soon. :)
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I was just listening to the most recent SWAN podcast, and Arnie has an interview with Steve Evans and Hasbro from the HASCON floor. At about the 29 minute mark he asks them about the lineup for TVC next year and Steve Evans basically said that what they revealed at Comic Con was essentially the lineup for the year and they were already looking at 2019.
If I'm understanding that right it looks like the line, at least initially, is going to be handled much like the VOTC days where we just 8-12 figures (or less) in a year alongside the regular basic line. Understanding the toy landscape for action figures right now, I'm ok with that, although I sort of wish there was a little bit more "new" mixed in there at first.
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Yeah, from the beginning, Hasbro has been saying 12-15 figures in 2018, then potentially more in 2019 depending on how it goes. I believe they said something like 30-36 but not all the way to 50-75 like the heyday of the line.
Right now we're sitting at seven repacks (Rey, Kylo, FO Stormtrooper, Hoth Rebel, Jyn, Cassian, Deathtrooper) and three NEW (Aphra, Tank Driver, Snoke) with a couple more NEW figures to be revealed (most/all of which are from new media).
I can understand the disappointment with all the repacks, but that's kind of where we are these days. The Walmart 3.75" line stuff kicked off with repacks too to get the numbers to work for the new figures.
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I'm ok buying for the cardback but maybe that's just me. I mean people wishing for more new are just burying their heads in the sand on how the line works at this point. Black series has really been no different and it goes to show this line isn't the great resurgence of collector focused 3.75" being a mainstay. It's a lot better than we have been getting with an "exclusive", and poorly handled at best, line that also included repacks.
And the tank is a nice "big ticket item" too as a companion to it. Wish it had a vintage box.
I heard some are saying "OT focused is what we want!" And I don't agree. I mean I want OT too but I like EU if it's on the table, I like some PT, and I'd love some rogue one figures! Lots of them actually. Likewise I'd take lots of sequel trilogy figures done this way like a nice Hux or a generic officer, a pilot or two using Poe as a base figure, good versions of any main character like Finn or whatever, resistance soldier...
It's a shame that some people really feel they speak for everyone when they do anything but. ::)
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The calendar is looking kind of jammed up for Hasbro in the year or so with two movie releases, and associated product lines. And I think 2019 is going to be a bit more fertile for the Vintage Collection.
There's a brief window for TVC to roll out following the theatrical release of THE LAST JEDI in early 2018... before the HAN SOLO line gets launched in the spring. I think that's when we're going to see the figures that have been revealed, along with the tank from ROGUE ONE. The HS line will probably be the primary line for Q2 and Q3 2018. And have you wondered why there's no Falcon in the TLJ line? I bet there will be one in the HS line. But the TVC line? I bet it gets some more releases in the fall, complete with upgraded sculpts to figures that were part of the TLJ and HS lines.
With the release of Episode IX now pushed back to December of 2019 from the previously scheduled May release? I think that opens up some merchandising options for Hasbro with the product line for the first half of 2019. And that might be the prime time for The Vintage Collection.
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I am glad the VC line is returning, and it will probably be successful. I will not be collecting it in any major way. That's mostly my own personal situation re: collecting/space. I will definitely be buying to open in some cases and in very select cases, to leave carded.
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Yeah I'm fine with the repacks too, and honestly like it was said that's just how the line works these days. I'm also ok with a somewhat limited line, because I couldn't keep up with a 50 figure at $13 each pace anyway.
I'm also in the camp of loving OT first and foremost, but that isn't necessarily all I want to see either. Honestly I was just looking at my OT figure case today and was thinking how fleshed out they've really gotten those movies. Always more to see, and finishing off the originals would be great, but I think the newer movies like TFA, Rogue One, TLJ, etc need the SA figure help much more since that is when the 5 POA stuff came back full force.
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For me a real milestone will be achieved when/if we see all the original 93 issued on the new vintage cards. I know we have a bit to go, but it's something I'd love to see happen. That said, I'm happy to get whatever Hasbro has to offer on what are arguably the best card designs ever made for action figures.
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I'm just happy to have a widespread, SA 3.75 inch line again. The fact that it will only be a handful of figures each year somehow makes it even better, as I have about 5 years worth of carded stuff just in rubber bins because I have no space for it (in addition to the money aspect).
Honestly the worst repack in that wave is the Kylo. Rey is an awesome figure with a ton of accessories, and I'd LOVE to pick up some First Order Stormtroopers with good paintjobs (all of mine are flawed in some way). Plus the Rogue One stuff hardly hit here. I'd like some Scarif troopers, as it's the only one I didn't find, but I've wanted some extra Jyns and Cassians for customizing purposes.
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With Toy Fair about a month away, it seems like a good time to dust this off. I imagine we're going to get a better picture of what the first wave of the relaunched TVC line will consist of. So far we've seen or heard of the following figures being revealed:
-Rey (The Force Awakens) 3.75" TBS REISSUE
-Kylo Ren (The Force Awakens) 3.75" TBS REISSUE
-Jyn Erso (Rogue One) 3.75" TBS REISSUE
-Cassian Andor (Rogue One) 3.75" TBS REISSUE
-Death Trooper (Rogue One) 3.75" TBS REISSUE
-Hoth Rebel Trooper (The Empire Strikes Back) THE LEGACY COLLECTION REISSUE
-Supreme Leader Snoke (The Last Jedi)
-Imperial Tank Driver (Rogue One)
I can't imagine that these are all going to be jammed into the same wave, and that there are going to be some new reveals. I'm not crazy about all of the reissues and I have concerns in that area that those reissues will slow down the flow of new figures. But if the TLJ line is an indication, Rey and Kylo Ren figures seem to be selling through. So maybe they're not going to cause the logjam that I'm concerned about.
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Assuming they don't way overproduce this first batch, the only ones I'm really worried about collecting dust are Jyn and Cassian. I think the rest should sell through reasonably well, and hopefully all these repacks get spaced out in a couple of waves that are also mixed with all new figures.
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I think Jyn might struggle, since she saw pretty decent distribution and isn't as popular as the others. And honestly Snoke, who doesn't appear to be of interest to anyone. His six inch figure is already backing up here, along with the Funko POP. But they're all on the vintage card, which is the real draw. Otherwise I think they'll be fine.
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Jyn is a point of concern. I get that. But I think if you put together a loosely themed ROGUE ONE wave you need a hero character in that wave. If I had my way I'd prefer to get an SA/Vintage Collection version of Jyn from Jedha. The TBS 3.75" figure seems more specific to the initial Yavin IV briefing and later in the movie on Scarif, when she was in the storage area of the archives and at the transmission tower. But it seems like Hasbro wants to get their moneys worth out of the 3.75" TBS version before they move onto another version. FWIW, Jyn seemed to sell reasonably well in my region. She certainly didn't pegwarm like TFA Han and Leia.
As for ANY 3.75" version of Snoke? I'm reserving judgement because we just haven't seen one at retail outside of the playset yet. I think there's a different customer segment for the 6" figures, and the 6" TBS figure wave with Snoke seems a little odd, especially since there's been so much hyper amongst collectors about Jaina Solo.
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So far we've seen or heard of the following figures being revealed:
TFA First Order Stormtrooper is also confirmed. And Aphra of course, but she'll be out later in the line.
hopefully all these repacks get spaced out in a couple of waves that are also mixed with all new figures.
Hasbro is already on record saying we'll have to eat a lot of repacks at first to get the line off the ground, so expect heavy repack loads up front so they can 'bank' money to justify the new sculpts (just like they did with the Walmart stuff).
It's all subject to change for sure, but the last definitive word I saw was back in September at Hascon (http://imperialholocron.com/hascon-star-wars-40-years-of-play-panel/nggallery/page/2) where Hasbro said Wave 1 was TFA Rey, TFA Kylo, TFA FO Stormtrooper, Jyn, Hoth Trooper, and TLJ Snoke. (5 repacks; 1 new).
(http://imperialholocron.com/wp-content/gallery/hascon-2017-star-wars-40-years-of-play-panel/HASCON-SW-40th-Panel-34.jpg)
Snoke, who doesn't appear to be of interest to anyone. His six inch figure is already backing up here
the 6" TBS figure wave with Snoke seems a little odd, especially since there's been so much hyper amongst collectors about Jaina Solo.
Yeah, part of that is the decision to put out a single box version after a lot of collectors already grabbed the deluxe w/throne version... and saw that he was pointless in the movie/trilogy basically.
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For me a real milestone will be achieved when/if we see all the original 93 issued on the new vintage cards. I know we have a bit to go, but it's something I'd love to see happen. That said, I'm happy to get whatever Hasbro has to offer on what are arguably the best card designs ever made for action figures.
93 or 96? ;)
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Any guesses on who the other new figures will be? I think there's five or six slots unaccounted for. I expect it will be:
Rey (Jedi Training)
Luke (Crait or Jedi Exile)
Han Solo (...Solo)
Someone else from Solo
Praetorian Guard (Variant Helmet)
General Merrick - unless he comes with an X-Wing.
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Praetorian Guard (Variant Helmet)
Hopefully they release the first release as well. I still haven't seen that one.
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Any guesses on who the other new figures will be?
Here are my guesses for the new figures we get in 2018:
Snoke (TLJ)
Imperial Tank Driver (Rogue One)
Rey (TLJ)
Han Solo (Solo)
Chewbacca (Solo)
Stormtrooper (Solo/RO)
Yakface
SWEU Doctor Aphra
Based on recent line history, I'm thinking there must be another new female coming if Aphra doesn't make it into 2018 waves. I would not be surprised to see Qi'Ra (Solo) possibly too... but I guess they could fill the female slots with repacks (like they are doing in Wave 1 with Jyn).
There will probably be a Vader in there too. There were rumors of Hasbro scaling down the newest 6" vader for TVC, but they could easily just rerelease an older Vader too.
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Forgot about them mentioning the Stormtrooper and Vader. Yeah those for sure. Hmm. I'd be shocked if there's not a Luke, but then I was shocked we didn't get TFA Luke until the next movie. >.>
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I agree that there's probably only going to be 3 or 4 figures from SOLO in the 2018 TVC lineup. And they probably won't be released until the 5 POA versions of those figures have had at least 6 weeks at retail. The classic double-dip formula, as always. So if the line for SOLO launches in April, I would expect some TVC SOLO offerings around June. But Han, Chewbacca and the Rangetrooper seem like easy picks.
It's kind of difficult to suss out what's going to be in this line. Mostly because the new entertainment offers up so many options. But one character that seems tailor made for this line? Chirrut Imwe from Rogue One! A super-poseable version of Chirrut seems like a real no-brainer, especially when you take into account his scene on Jedha where he took on the Stormtroopers.
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Is this the part where TVC figures start being available outside of Walmart? I'm really hoping to grab a few Tank Drivers, but that Walmart business was impossible...
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Yeah. The 3.75" TBS line that was exclusive to WalMart will be ending, and the TVC relaunch will be a general release line. They're even going to pick up the numbering where the TVC line left off when it ended around 2012.
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I'd be shocked if there's not a Luke, but then I was shocked we didn't get TFA Luke until the next movie. >.>
I'm sure there will be a Luke... but it'll be the TFA ending Luke on TVC card (repack). I don't expect another new TLJ Exile or Crait Luke until 2019 probably.
And they probably won't be released until the 5 POA versions of those figures have had at least 6 weeks at retail. The classic double-dip formula, as always. So if the line for SOLO launches in April, I would expect some TVC SOLO offerings around June.
Yeah, that's a good point. I'd also agree that TVC Solo figures would probably hit later in the summer after everyone already bought the 5POA stuff. Seems like standard protocol now for Hasbro. :P
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That Jyn Erso card is pretty awesome.
I would love to see Baze and Chirrut. Round it out with a Bodhi and K-2S0 and they could kinda consider RO closed out.
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Rogue One can't be considered finished until I have Director Krennic standing on my Imperials shelf. And not in ****** 5-POA form.
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I’m going to likely get most of the repacks, at the very least the Rogue One ones, for the cardbacks. The TFA and TLJ will get me too more likely than not. I’m going to probably just order a case at EE out the gate and hopefully army build the Hoth Trooper and Tanker... at the price point I’m guessing the Imperial Tank will be at least easy to get and I’m still banking on 3 of them at least.
I’m glad to see some repacks of course but would like to obviously see some army builders get more repacks to hopefully sell better. A Rogue One Fleet Trooper Card would be awesome (since we got the ANH Card). Shore Trooper, Death Trooper, some kind of ultimate Stormtrooper. A FO Trooper with the best and heavy gun would be a dream! One with the baton and shield too?
I have hopes the Tanker gets a repaint to an ATAC Pilot too.
Now if they insist on repack upon repack upon repack and aren’t wise about some of the choices? Eh that’s scary. I think too many people are really expecting way too much new though as well, and way too many people are heaping their hopes and dreams on this line too. 2010 isn’t coming back, and people need to consider that. It’s not like economic time travel.🤷♂️
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That Jyn Erso card is pretty awesome.
I would love to see Baze and Chirrut. Round it out with a Bodhi and K-2S0 and they could kinda consider RO closed out.
If this line doesn't make a SA Chirrut Imwe....then there's no point.
I would also like a Baze that can hold his weapon properly and a K-2S0 that can bend his elbows and knees....and drop a backpack.
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Totally on board all the rogues getting their due. Even Bodie. I’d like to see some of the pilots someday but likely not here. It’s just a dream I guess. I miss those pilot packs we used to get though and now we need Blue squad!
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The pilot packs were great, and I'd be in heaven if we got some from the new movies.
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+1
If Hasbro rolled out exclusive pilot packs like the TRU exclusive SOTDS Battle of Endor for the Battle of Scarif, I would be all over those! It might be the best way to get a few of those pilots offered.
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Definitely. I'll dream big because we'll likely not get so lucky IRL (all SA):
TFA Starkiller Base Set - Jess Pava, TIE Fighter SF Pilot, Ello Asty
RO Scarif Set - General Merrick, Red Five (RIP), U-Wing Pilot
TLJ Resistance Set - Nix Jerd (Resistance Bomber Pilot), Pammich Nerro Goode (Transport Pilot), Male A-Wing Pilot
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Definitely. I'll dream big because we'll likely not get so lucky IRL (all SA):
TFA Starkiller Base Set - Jess Pava, TIE Fighter SF Pilot, Ello Asty
RO Scarif Set - General Merrick, Red Five (RIP), U-Wing Pilot
TLJ Resistance Set - Nix Jerd (Resistance Bomber Pilot), Pammich Nerro Goode (Transport Pilot), Male A-Wing Pilot
Can't argue with those. I'd love to see Tallie get an SA release too.
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For me a real milestone will be achieved when/if we see all the original 93 issued on the new vintage cards. I know we have a bit to go, but it's something I'd love to see happen. That said, I'm happy to get whatever Hasbro has to offer on what are arguably the best card designs ever made for action figures.
93 or 96? ;)
Lol! 97 if you include Blue Snags.
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Definitely. I'll dream big because we'll likely not get so lucky IRL (all SA):
TFA Starkiller Base Set - Jess Pava, TIE Fighter SF Pilot, Ello Asty
RO Scarif Set - General Merrick, Red Five (RIP), U-Wing Pilot
TLJ Resistance Set - Nix Jerd (Resistance Bomber Pilot), Pammich Nerro Goode (Transport Pilot), Male A-Wing Pilot
I kind of feel like General Merrick has enough dialogue that he might merit his own carded release, but I think if you wanted to get him and his astromech droid? Then a multipack might be the way to go. And if Hasbro went with pilot packs again? I hope they would do it with a DISCOVER THE FORCE kind of formula and offer 6 figures in the pack, like they did with the BATTLE OF YAVIN set. My choices?
BATTLE OF SCARIF (Set 1): General Merrick (Blue Leader), Jaldine Gerams (Blue 3), Pedrin Gaul (Red 5), Blue leader's yellow & white R5 unit & TIE Pilot w/ tear drop helmet markings
BATTLE OF SCARI (Set 2): Barion Raner (Blue 4), Vangos Grek (Blue 6), Laren Joma (Blue 11 - U-wing pilot), Wona Goban (Gold 9), Blue 4's R5 unit & TIE Pilot
BATTLE OF STARKILLER BASE: Jess Pava, Ello Atsy, Niv Lek, R0-H2 (Poe Dameron's other astromech) & First Order Special Forces TIE Pilot
BATTLE OF D'QAR: Finch Dallow (Cobalt Hammer bomber pilot), Nix Jerd (Cobalt Hammer bombadier), Blue Squadron A-wing pilot TBD, Astromech droid TBD & First Order TIE Pilot
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I'd buy it all!
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My Battle of Scarif set: Blue Mon Cal, Imperial Officer (just pick one), Rebel Fleet trooper with new head (maybe the hand-off guy), CGI McTarkin, Shore Trooper Captain, and a super articulate Bistan that will make anyone look like a fool for getting the 5 POA one.
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I would buy all of that, sight unseen.
We really do need a Mon Cal officer. The one from POTJ is really showing its age. And I'd be really happy if the most recent Stormtrooper found its way back into circulation. I still need to flush out some POTF2 Stormies in my display (from the Kenner troop builder set in the early 00's). And none of the eBay sellers (like Viperskingdom) seem to be selling Stormtrooper lots, aside from the First Order stormie.
I have high hopes for this new Vintage line, but I'm starving for some information. Every time I see a Star Wars announcement I get excited for a split-second before I realize it's a 6-inch or 5-POA version.
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I still have a soft spot for the Mol Cal Officer, which was an early OMG they're doing everything figure, along with K-3PO. But he definitely needs an upgrade.
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I have said it before, but my expectations for TVC 2.0 are very tempered at the moment.
People are going to bitch that it's mostly repacks to start. People are going to bitch about the price. People are going to bitch that the new figure choices are too Disney Star Wars heavy. People are going to bitch about other collectors "not doing their duty" and buying repacks. Etc Etc.
And then there's distribution. There are some early report/rumors of 8-figure cases, which may make it easier for stores to actually sell through cases of figures instead of situations where Target is opening cases and sending 4-6 figures per store like the tail run of the 2013-2014 Black Series 3.75" stuff. Will stores be able to sell through the repacks to make way for new figures? I hope so, but who knows. It's a lot to ask people to spend $13-15 for repacks simply for the pretty cardbacks.
I am hopeful for what TVC may bring, but I'm not expecting it to usher in some 'return to the glory days' for the line overall.
I am excited to see Hasbro attempt to make SA 3.75" figures a larger part of the portfolio again. I am excited to see the stupid Walmart boxes go. I know Hasbro was trying to differentiate the SA stuff from 5POA, but they lost a LOT of carded collector sales doing that. I am excited that maybe we'll get a reason to dust off the old JediDefender Wish Lists if Hasbro can finally get back to knocking off some long requested SA updates (ANH Leia, ESB Lando, AOTC Cliegg, Sim Aloo, Yakface, etc).
So basically, I'm hopeful for what TVC 2.0 might bring, but fully prepared to see it bashed from the opening moments...
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My gut is telling me that everything has flip-flopped from the "golden age" of ten years ago, when the 2 current lines consisted of 30AC/Legacy/what-have-you featuring new sculpts, new characters, etc, and the "Legends" line featuring repacks and rereleases.
When "Vintage" returns, it will be primarily a rerelease line while whatever current 5POA movie line will be the home of new sculpts. "Vintage" will be a way to keep Vaders, Troopers and Fetts on the shelves, and I have no hope at all of any new OT sculpts.
The 1-in-10 newly-sculpted SA "Vintage" figure will always be from Disney-era media, bar none.
Go ahead, Hasbro: prove me wrong.
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I agree that this line will probably lean heavily on Disney era product, However, I do expect a few new OT sculpts per year. Hasbro's been pretty good at giving us runner-ups in fan choice polls and they themselves are still first and foremost fans. I had faith that this line would come back and I have faith we'll see some new OT sculpts.
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Do we have any idea of the quantities they’re making? Part of me worries that this is going to be like the 6” Vintage line they had recently where it seemed some retailers didn’t get these at all, stores like Target got one or two cases and that was it. Basically if you didn’t find them during the five days they were hitting you had to scavenge on eBay, etc.
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I agree that this line will probably lean heavily on Disney era product, However, I do expect a few new OT sculpts per year. Hasbro's been pretty good at giving us runner-ups in fan choice polls and they themselves are still first and foremost fans. I had faith that this line would come back and I have faith we'll see some new OT sculpts.
A few new OT sculpts per year isn't good enough... I need a few NEW OT characters per year. Even if it's just two or three. With the exception of the EE Droid pack, Mosep Binneed is the last one I can think of, and that was almost three years ago.
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I agree that this line will probably lean heavily on Disney era product, However, I do expect a few new OT sculpts per year. Hasbro's been pretty good at giving us runner-ups in fan choice polls and they themselves are still first and foremost fans. I had faith that this line would come back and I have faith we'll see some new OT sculpts.
A few new OT sculpts per year isn't good enough... I need a few NEW OT characters per year. Even if it's just two or three. With the exception of the EE Droid pack, Mosep Binneed is the last one I can think of, and that was almost three years ago.
Please forgive the incorrect wording. You're right of course!
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Question
Would it cost Hasbro as much to take a figure from recent Walmart Black Series and card it in the Vintage Collection as it would to take a figure from TAC or Legacy and do the same?
I assume there's something about a more recent fig that would be less, but not because I have any actually knowledge
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It is my understanding that around the time the first Vintage wrapped up and the "Black Series" began (2013-ish) Hasbro began to shift production out of their old Chinese factories into cheaper ones elsewhere in China, and also in Vietnam. Adam Paulus at GalacticHunter has pointed out figures seeming to be from the same mold (Like single pack Shoretroopers vs 2-pack Shoretroopers) are actually the same digital file turned into two different molds at the different factories, with the Vietnam ones usually being a little crisper in detail.
Using new/different factories throws the wrench in the development because the old molds may not be readily available or compatible with the current factory's setup. Sometimes Hasbro doesn't even own the mold, and when they stop using the factory that toy is off the table for good.
I would imagine all the WalMart Black Series figures would still be readily available--and the Vintage Collection seems to bear this out--and less so with the TAC and Legacy figures.
It has been presented by Hasbro in the past that sometimes a brand new mold is a cheaper option than digging out the old one.
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Thank you. That is what I assumed (not all the details of course). I've just been laughing/annoyed with some of the talk of "well why doesn't Hasbro just repack a bunch of old figures instead of the stuff they are" in the Vintage Collection. I'm not saying Hasbro is amazing, but once again they can't just do what each and every fan individually wants.
I apologize in advance. I gave myself a self imposed banishment from posting on any site that isn't JD so you may have to skip over a few more of my incoherent rants again.
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The recent publicized shift from production in China to Vietnam may be a bit of a thing now. The ownership of those molds can be a point of contention between Hasbro and the factory to whom they have subcontracted the production. That's been a topic that Hasbro has discussed at some length, and I heard it from them personally going back over 10 years ago.
The detail about the tooling being built from digital files is interesting. Because it would seemingly give Hasbro the ability to send those files to the factory so that they could build their own tooling. So going forward, ownership of the molds might not be such a problem when it comes to reissuing a figure that was previously produced in a factory that is no longer working with Hasbro on figure production.
I'd be okay with Hasbro reissuing some figure that appeared as far back as the 30th Anniversary Collection. There were some great figures in that line. Hell, even the ROTS version of Ki-Adi-Mundi was an awesome figure, and that's 13 years old! But I would call that the definitive version of the character, and it would look great on a TVC card. But how many of these digital files for figure designs does Hasbro have on hand? How far back do they go?
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The detail about the tooling being built from digital files is interesting. Because it would seemingly give Hasbro the ability to send those files to the factory so that they could build their own tooling. So going forward, ownership of the molds might not be such a problem when it comes to reissuing a figure that was previously produced in a factory that is no longer working with Hasbro on figure production.
Excellent points. Certainly Hasbro had no compunctions about having the same digital file being tooled up at two different factories (in two different countries) at the same time to produce essentially identical figures (paint apps notwithstanding.) The issue is in the pricing: tooling makes up a large chunk of production costs, which is why a reuse/rehash of existing tooling cuts costs. During a movie push and making the 5POA movie line figures the biggest crunch Hasbro is feeling is time, so having multiple new molds cranking out figures everywhere they can makes sense. It's not the same with Vintage Collection figures.
Hasbro now builds a Vintage Collection wave to balance costs between new tooling and old tooling, essentially selling the more cheaply produced "old tool" figures at the same price as the new ones to have the ability to bring us the newly tooled figures at a better price. Just looking at the figures, they are as intricate as the 6" figures, so you can make the leap that the tooling is just as expensive no matter the scale. (Heck, I could even argue there is some threshold where it begins to cost more for the miniaturized detail.)
All this is just a long way around of saying the old tools are still very valuable and necessary to Hasbro's Vintage Collection strategy. And until they get us to accept that a 4" and a 6" figure will cost the same at retail, it will remain that way.
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Overall, how do you all feel like these are performing?
I have mixed feelings. It seemed like wave 1 was selling pretty well at first, but what I've seen in December was, instead of Waves 2 and 3 hitting the shelves, it was still wave 1, over and over again, stagnating.
Was lucky to buy waves 2 and 3 on-line, but would have preferred to support retail. I'm concerned about the 2019 waves.
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I still haven’t seen anything past wave one in a store.
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And it occurs to me that waves 2 & 3 still haven't hit HTS, which is disconcerting.
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I realized after I posted that I did actually pick up a few Range Troopers, so I have at least seen something...
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I've also only seen wave 1 in the store. They certainly aren't making it easy to support this line.
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They certainly aren't making it easy to support this line.
It's all about having the right pulse on consumer interest. Thinking a little more about it, I wonder who is responsible for more of the blame for over-ordering any particular wave. Wave 1 sold well in the first month or so of release. But, retailers in certain regions (maybe most?) just kept getting that same wave, over and over and over. If they moved onto the following waves, sales would have absolutely been stronger. So, who's fault is the glut of Wave 1? Hasbro overproducing and overshipping that wave? Or the retailers for not understanding the consumer and not paying more attention to how turn over product more profitably. I suppose, it the end, on the retail side, the people ordering have little understanding of concept of waves and have little control over that, but I'm only guessing.
Retail is certainly losing out to e-tail, though. I bought 3 of the 4 Vintage waves by the case from EE.