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Collectibles => The Vintage Collection => Topic started by: Jesse James on February 17, 2018, 03:07 PM
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Hasbro introducing “crowdsourcing” format Haslab? Starts with Star Wars. You want it you find it. Jabbas Sail Barge! You want it? Ya gotta pay up. 4 deer long! Holy cow!
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Jabba Barge model is being shown. Tons of features and a Jabba included.
This is as exciting and new as I can think the line maybe has ever been. Opens a huge door for collectors to put up or shut up.
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$500 for the barge and needs 5000 backers by 4/3. Oof.not much time
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Tried to keep you guys updated here. Sorry we couldn’t attend but it’s always a busy time of year for Jeff and myself. The Star Wars portion is done.
Who is gonna pony up $500 for a 4’ Skiff with tons of interior detail a Jabba Figure and 2.5 square feet of display space by april 3rd? 🤔
I think I might. I’ve bought cars for less that I drove for years and this I won’t send to the scrap heap after a few years. 🤷♂️
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The Sail Barge is 3.75" scale?
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Thanks Jesse, appreciate the efforts with the updates.
I think the crowdfunding thing is a fiendishly brilliant idea. If it fails to get funded they can place the blame squarely on collectors. I hope it succeeds though. It might be the only way I'll ever get a proper Ghost. Or the Twilight!
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Okay... so I saw the video now... it is 3.75" scale and I think I'd have to be in...
The only question I have... if it hits 5000 backers, does it get produced in full, or do they make them to order?
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Hasbro introducing “crowdsourcing” format Haslab? Starts with Star Wars. You want it you find it. Jabbas Sail Barge! You want it? Ya gotta pay up. 4 deer long! Holy cow!
I love this post! For what is says both before and after I decipher it!
But seriously Jesse, thanks for the live updates. We all appreciate it, especially when it is such fun news for a change!
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Who is gonna pony up $500 for a 4’ Skiff with tons of interior detail a Jabba Figure and 2.5 square feet of display space by april 3rd? 🤔
I am, already submitted my backing for 2 via the Hasblab site. The count was less than 20 backers when I did, so I can proudly say I did my part for making this a reality.
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Do you pay now or only if it makes 5,000?
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As of this post it's already at 118, and I'm 80% sure I'm going to bite the bullet on this one...
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Do you pay now or only if it makes 5,000?
Only if it makes it to 5000.
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Amazing. But I need more than 45 days to talk my wife into $500. 4/3/19 would have been better
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The only question I have... if it hits 5000 backers, does it get produced in full, or do they make them to order?
"Initially, this and any future HASLAB products will be available for purchase on this website only, under the terms and conditions described herein. We reserve the right to make the products (or similar versions of the products) available at other sources, such as online stores and retail locations, but such availability is not guaranteed."
It sounds like, at least to start, items will be made to order based on the website. Something like the Sail Barge may be a one and done here. This is going to be a really, really interesting experiment... :o
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I'll be like Homer Simpson when he ate Lobby his pet Lobster after he gave him a hot bath. Crying because of the price, but loving every bit of it.
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What can you say?
Amazing. Absolutely nuts, but amazing. I won't be buying this, sadly - five or six years ago, sure - but I want it to succeed. I want to see the pics of the people that bought two, one to open and one to keep in the box. This is a good outlet for Hasbro to these things, and maybe there's a Death Star down the line. But don't skip a meal, or a car payment, or any other nonsense some people may be advocating. Don't get shamed into a different class of collector. Enjoy this and all the other good stuff.
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No more fast food drive thru food, or stupid spending for me for a while, because I am going to back this.
I assume some collector shops/vendors will make some orders too knowing that they could later flip it for much more. Some collectors will likely do that too.
What we need is for some billionaire collector to come out of the closet and fund half of these and sell them through their own business.
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Here's my thinking on how this went down...
- Hasbro decided they would give making this vehicle a go, perhaps even due his potential retirement looming on the horizon, they had Mark Boudreaux (who is an awesome guy, if you ever have a chance to talk with him at a show like Star Wars Celebration, I highly recommend it) take a stab at it
- the vehicle was designed, the process was documented and Hasbro made a prototype with the intent on using the prototype and the documented process to sell it to retailer(s)
- unfortunately, they couldn't get any retailers to take the plunge, they may have even been in talks with Toys R Us to carry it until the bankruptcy decision occurred - frankly the line as a whole is in trouble at retail, nothing ever sells through and most launch-day times stick around until deep discounts/clearances, Hasbro is now 3-for-3 with the recent movies in this regard
- instead of just wasting the development resources already put into the piece they decided to do what other companies have done (such as Mattel with Castle Greyskull) and go the crowd-funding route
- they picked a drop-dead minimum and that's where the 5000 comes from. At $500 each, my guess would be that Hasbro is estimating that it will cost them $1.25M to create the necessary molds and manufacturing process to mass produce, at a minimum, 5000 units, which would mean that for each Sail Barge sold, Hasbro makes $250 profit
Granted my profit to cost ratio of 100% may be off, but how else can you explain that there is a pretty complete looking prototype AND that on the deadline day of the backing period, if the required minimum is reached they will ship all backers a bound book detailing the development process of this piece.
I applaud Hasbro for finally being willing to give it a try. While I want to see it succeed, I pledged my support for two of them with the thinking that there's only a 40% chance it's even going to get to the 5000 backer goal. Having 3000 signatures on a petition is A LOT different than getting 5000 collectors to commit to a $500 purchase for a item they won't see for almost a full calendar year.
The biggest reason why I want this to succeed is because it opens the door for other iconic items to be in the running for similar treatment - Death Star Playset, Star Destroyer, Cloud City, Ewok Village are all potential candidates for this kind of treatment. It doesn't have to be big projects either - another great idea for this type of process would be to finish up remaking modern versions of the old Kenner Vintage line Sim Aloo, Power Droid, Max Rebo Band - and entire TVC wave that's crowd-funded - at least then the purchase price for a set might be in the ball-park of $100 for 6-7 figures - a lot more accessible from a pay-to-play standpoint.
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Finally... The Barge itself, and finally Hasbro tries a bold new distribution model.
Now I'm really happy I bought that 50 inch long display case last year when my Sears closed.
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Ugh yeah half that looked like ****. Clearly I was working off my phone. Apologies for spamming the thread I just figured most people would find the information here so I was furiously typing like a 15 year old on my phone. I even have a 6S+ and it's still too small for my pudgy digits. haha
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The biggest reason why I want this to succeed is because it opens the door for other iconic items to be in the running for similar treatment
Ditto. I'd love for this to be an avenue for us to get "background cantina alien #15" or something else amazing they'd never consider for regular retail (AOTC Cliegg with Chair; modern Yoda's Dagobah Hut, a new correctly scaled Skiff to go with Khetanna, a correctly scale escape pod w/3PO and R2, etc).
I plunked down my money. I agree that it seems like a long shot, but I'd be kicking myself if I didn't at least try to get it made when we had the chance... :)
(https://jedidefender.com/jsmentek/khetanna.jpg)
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If 5000 people don't step up to get this made, I really hope I can stop reading about how important collectors still are to the hobby, because 5000 is a drop in the bucket in terms of #s of people who buy Star Wars stuff. I honestly think it's very obtainable. People just BLEW through the kickstarter for another toy line right now. I mean just tore it up in 24 hours and were into the stretch goals within 48.
$500 is a lot of money for all of us, I totally get that. And I totally get it if you can't justify paying it and supporting this. But at the same time that number seemed shockingly low to me for them to make it feasible. I dunno. I hope it gets done.
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436 down as I write this...
Totally on the fence about this for myself. I love that it is happening at all. I've never been the biggest Jabba fan, so this doesn't feel to me like a "Holy Grail" type purchase, except for all the pomp and circumstance now surrounding its creation--the SW version of the USS Flagg, as has already been mentioned.
If I don't go for it, it'd be more for a lack of space than a money issue. This thing is worth $500, I have no doubt.
If it had been a Death Star or Cloud City, they could've doubled the size and the price and I wouldn't bat an eye...I'd find room for those.
I see this making it through the gate, though. I mean, there are collectors out there who bought the BB-8 playset the day it came out, and the Black Series TIE Fighter...there is an audience, and Hasbro figured out how to remove the need to vacillate on when to buy based on whether or not it will hit clearance.
If it looks like it will make it easy, I may just pass and wait for "my" Holy Grail to come 'round. If it looks like it'll be close, it may push me to go in with you all. I never did get around to making a Jabba's Palace display shelf...
I am so happy to have this question at all!
(446 in by the time I finished typing...)
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If 5000 people don't step up to get this made, I really hope I can stop reading about how important collectors still are to the hobby
Nope, if it does not get funded, you know 'collectors' are just going to blame Hasbro.
"$500 was too much"
"they should have given us a $250 dumbed down version"
"if it had come with 20 figures I would have bought it"
"They should have picked The Ghost [*or insert some other more recent ship*] instead!"
I'm going over the high-res pics Hasbro sent out (should have them posted soon). I feel so bad for that poor, dead, rotting Ithorian stuck in the detention cell. :'(
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWSMysjXUAAl36o.jpg)
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Yeah the Ithorian carcass made me sad too for some reason. Like they're just guys out there, kinda ugly, and Jabba gets away with **** like that. That's a travesty.
Funny he has more articulation than any Hammerhead figure we have btw.
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Here's my thinking on how this went down...
- Hasbro decided they would give making this vehicle a go, perhaps even due his potential retirement looming on the horizon, they had Mark Boudreaux (who is an awesome guy, if you ever have a chance to talk with him at a show like Star Wars Celebration, I highly recommend it) take a stab at it
- the vehicle was designed, the process was documented and Hasbro made a prototype with the intent on using the prototype and the documented process to sell it to retailer(s)
- unfortunately, they couldn't get any retailers to take the plunge, they may have even been in talks with Toys R Us to carry it until the bankruptcy decision occurred - frankly the line as a whole is in trouble at retail, nothing ever sells through and most launch-day times stick around until deep discounts/clearances, Hasbro is now 3-for-3 with the recent movies in this regard
- instead of just wasting the development resources already put into the piece they decided to do what other companies have done (such as Mattel with Castle Greyskull) and go the crowd-funding route
- they picked a drop-dead minimum and that's where the 5000 comes from. At $500 each, my guess would be that Hasbro is estimating that it will cost them $1.25M to create the necessary molds and manufacturing process to mass produce, at a minimum, 5000 units, which would mean that for each Sail Barge sold, Hasbro makes $250 profit
This is my post from May 2011...
I had heard at one point that the Sail Barge was on the short list, and even in the modeling phase,
I'm pretty sure I can tell you for fact that the prototype for this has been around FOR YEARS. Done during the golden age before Disney. I know it's pretty crappy to say that I can't reveal my source, but I do have an industry colleague/friend who saw this, or some iteration of it at a location I can't mention in an open forum.
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Good sleuthing on that Ant, that's a good memory man.
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High Res pics... I don't normally post the FULL giant size pics, but in a case like this, it's worth it to pour over the details. Below, there are 120x230 thumbnails that link to 1200x2300 pics with a link below them to a FULL SIZE 3600x6900 picture to ogle.
(https://jedidefender.com/news/images/2018_02/tn_hasbro_haslab_khetanna_01.jpg) (https://jedidefender.com/news/images/2018_02/hasbro_haslab_khetanna_01.jpg)
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I can't stop looking at the high-res pics... the Ithorian, the mini-rancor, the rancor claws on the partitions; the gamorrean head on the wall; the sink, grill, and frogs in the galley, it's all too much goodness. :o
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Wow, you're right. There's even a sink! Wow.
I do feel it's pretty likely this was fleshed out years ago like Darth_Anton mentioned. I could swear there were really strong rumors around 6-7 years ago that it was in development? Perhaps the whole Disney merger just stopped everything as Hasbro's Star Wars business model changed, and now they are back in a positition to try this out again... it just sucks that the price is so high! If they could find a way to make it for $300-$350, I feel it would be much more attainable to get the 5000 backers... and also I can't help but wonder, if this had come out 5 years ago, how much cheaper it could have been?
Now, if this doesn't hit the 5000 goal, I wonder what they will do. I'd hate to see it fall short and then just cancel the whole idea.
How much was the Mattel Castle Grayskull, like $300 from what I recall? How many backers did it need? I seem to recall right after it was green lighted, places like BBTS had it for pre-order. Curious to how all that works behind the scenes...
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I am shocked and amazed that Hasbro is doing this. But the crowd sourcing angle does give them an out in case the interest isn't there.
The numbers they're talking about required a commitment of $2.5 million from collectors in order to move this project forward. As I write this, there are 500+ backers, so this thing has got 10% of the backers required for it to move into production, and another 40+ days to get the rest of the backers.
I'm not sure if I can do this. I would like to. And I've been selling off a bunch of extra stuff from my collection. But $500? That's still pretty steep.
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That's definitely a good sign - 10% in one day. I was hopeful that it would hit that much this weekend as hitting that 10% milestone could be considered a good indicator as to whether or not this makes it.
Hopefully at some point they work it out where Canadians and other collectors around the world can back it as well.
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I see this hitting 1500 backers by next weekend. Then a slow rise until a final big bump as last week of March hits. 5000? No clue
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I definitely did not expect this news, very cool. I REALLY want to get into this too. I have nowhere to put it, but I don't really care. An all new Original Trilogy era ship done in the BMF style? Right up my alley. I don't know if I can afford it, and I definitely would have to sell something else of significance to offset the cost if I did. So cool though.
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This is so cool... and such a shame I'll probably never own it. $500 is a lot of dough, especially in that short amount of time. There's also the space issue.
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Hasbro has absolutely knocked it out of the park with this!!! Not the sail barge, but the business model. While I like the sail barge, I'm more pumped that they've recognized the death of retail and how distribution sucks. Take the retailers mostly out of the mix on large, collector focused, high dollar items and go straight to the consumers.
We don't need full on prototypes to make this a reality either. If they can come up with some sketches that people could vote on with $$$ and we get a new one of these every 18 months, how awesome would that be?!?! The Ghost, Death Star, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon, EE, or other online retailers would pick up a handful of these too.
Sign me up!
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I want this so bad. I would have to sell some stuff from my collection before the deadline. Kind of how Luke had to sell his speeder to get off Tatooine :)
I hope it gets backed because I now have dreams of a Death Star and a Star Destroyer. But not sure how I would get the funds for those. I could see them trying to create a $800 Death Star now.
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This business model opens so many doors for Hasbro and Star Wars toys. No more having to force too many vehicles and assortments in to retail trying to hit the magic numbers of the $20 impulse buy, the $40 birthday gift, the $150 "big Christmas gift". I'm sure they'll still need to do some of that buy they will also have other direct to customer options and can choose to hit different (higher) price points.
They could also potentially re-engage with their old contractors at BossFightStudio or others. Those guys could pitch ideas through Haslab's kickstarters and share in the revenue.
This could also open up big new opportunities with figure assortments as well. They could have the main figures from the latest movie (and a legacy hero collection) at retail and can then have direct to collectors via Haslab assortments (e.g Canto Bight casino assortment).
I've been meaning to post on here about the latest wave of BossFightStudio Vitruvian HACKS I got a couple weeks ago. Sure they're $25 each, but they are so, so much cooler than even your standard TBS 3.75" highly articulated figures.
Let's hope this new way of thinking opens the door for a lot of new possibilities.
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I doubt any retailer would jump in solely to bolster the backer count, but I’m sure that there have already been discussions between Hasbro and retailers to the particulars of “if we get 5000 collectors to crowd source fund the manufacturing process, then we will be able to mass produce units for you at a cost of $XXX each”, with XXX being less than 500.
That’s got to be why there is the disclaimer that items available from HasbroLab may be sold elsewhere at a later date.
This experiment by Hasbro is purely aimed at removing their risk from undertaking such an endeavor. So clearly 5000 collectors is the magic number for the manufacturing of any designed item. I’d also be willing to bet that if they started another one of these for an item that hasn’t even been sketched yet then the required number of backers would go up as well.
I would love to see their next item be small and possibly even have tiers. Like a single figure, for example Sim Aloo. Commit to $15 and you’ll get him on a TVC carback in a white mailer. Commit to $45 for one and you’ll get him on a TVC cardback in a box with TVC carded re-releases of the Legacy collection Imperial Dignitaries (similar to the 4LOM and Zuckass double pack).
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I'd love to see what they can do with individual figures - Dorme! - and future vehicles. Something like the Resistance Bomber probably makes more sense here, and certainly the AT-M6. Going back to the figures, it could quickly become the default for getting obscure figures / unusual figures like Grumgar or something. That's good because retail doesn't seem to be the place for aliens/obscurity anymore.
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Been thinking about this a lot this morning (and trying to figure out how to afford it), and just how cool this concept could be. Not just for the Barge, which is great, but potential future releases that some have mentioned. You could see a Death Star, Ewok Village, Dagobah, Poe's X-Wing, or even smaller items. It also makes me realize that this program might "force" people to become more and more specialized in their collections. I already don't know where I would put the barge for sure, let alone if we start getting things like this every 18 months or so. It may force things to "OT only", OT Vintage Collection only, etc. the majority of us only have so much room. All that being said, I'm so happy that this excitement is back in the Star Wars line. It seemed like that had been waning a little bit.
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I slept on it... I'm doing it. $500 kind of sucks, but I know I'd be more than $500 frustrated later on if this gets made and I don't have one in the collection.
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I slept on it... I'm doing it. $500 kind of sucks, but I know I'd be more than $500 frustrated later on if this gets made and I don't have one in the collection.
Yeah, that's where I am this morning too
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I can't stop looking at the high-res pics... the Ithorian, the mini-rancor, the rancor claws on the partitions; the gamorrean head on the wall; the sink, grill, and frogs in the galley, it's all too much goodness. :o
Yeah, and while it's obviously a vehicle, it's pretty much a play set too.
This thing should make a lot of people happy, if they can't stomach the cost.
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The best part about is you can put 30 years of dudes on it. It's sort of a default display case. Same as going nuts at IKEA I guess.
I have a credit card...
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The whole Haslab concept is genius. This will, once and for all, put the hardcore fanbase on the map and give us a voice, assuming it succeeds. I feel lucky enough that I can get one without sweating too much. For some reason, I can't see there not being 5000 folks out there who both want this and have the means. I hope I'm right, because I'd love a properly scaled Imperial Shuttle. :P
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The whole Haslab concept is genius. This will, once and for all, put the hardcore fanbase on the map and give us a voice, assuming it succeeds. I feel lucky enough that I can get one without sweating too much. For some reason, I can't see there not being 5000 folks out there who both want this and have the means. I hope I'm right, because I'd love a properly scaled Imperial Shuttle. :P
All we need is 1 out of every 64,600 Americans to pull the trigger on this.
That seems doable right?!
I'd also have to imagine there are a number of collectors in other countries willing to have friends in the U.S. buy them and pay the extra price for shipping and customs out of the country.
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850 backers and climbing. I wonder where it's going to be by the end of the week?
The sail barge plus a pair of Skiffs and the TLC Battle at the Sarlacc Pit might make for one of the most complete dioramas in all of Star Wars collecting. We certainly have loads of Jabba's goons and skiff guards to fill these things out.
Speaking for myself? I really want this, but the potential credit card expenditure is something that's tough to justify.
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We certainly have loads of Jabba's goons and skiff guards to fill these things out.
Loads? I wouldn't say loads. ;) We have a bunch but, there's more than a few glaring holes in Jabba's goon squad. I still want an updated Klaatu in Skiff Guard outfit and any human dude beyond Lando. I won't be happy until we have every guy on both Skiffs. ;D
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We certainly have loads of Jabba's goons and skiff guards to fill these things out.
Loads? I wouldn't say loads. ;) We have a bunch but, there's more than a few glaring holes in Jabba's goon squad. I still want an updated Klaatu in Skiff Guard outfit and any human dude beyond Lando. I won't be happy until we have every guy on both Skiffs. ;D
It might be debatable (possibly the driver), but I think everyone might be accounted for from the Skiff that Luke, Han, Chewie and Lando were on. And there are maybe 3 guys left from the second Skiff.
I would welcome that Klaatu update, too. A couple of human guards would be good additions, but I wonder if there might be issues with them and likeness rights? As for everyone else in Jabba's circle, I had compiled this list a while back that might cover things:
PALACE
Jabba the hutt with throne (multiple versions - SOTDS version might be the best)
Bib Fortuna
Salacious Crumb
C-3PO (30AC version)
R2-D2
Han Solo in Carbonite
Leia in Boussh disguise
Chewbacca
Luke Skywalker - Jedi Knight (and the hologram version, too)
Lando Calrissian in skiff guard disguise
Gamorrean Guard
Wooof
Boba Fett (red gauntlets)
Dengar
Bossk
EV-9D9
8-D8
Gonk Droid
BG-J38
CZ-4
Bane Malar
Ree Yees
Saelt Marae (Yakface)
Yarna D'al Gargan
Jawas
Giran
Malakili
Pote Snitkin
Hermi Odle
Ephant Mon
Amanaman
J'Quille
Tanus Spijek
Tessek
Bubo
Wol Cabashite
B'omarr Monk
Greedo {the Rodian(s) in the palace are almost identical to Greedo from ANH}
The Rancor!
MAX REBO BAND MEMBERS:
Max Rebo
Droopy McCool
Sy Snootles
Joh Yowza
Ak-Rev
Umpass-Stay
Rappertunie
Barquin D'an
Boda Bodonawieedo
Greeata
Rystall
Lyn Me
JABBA'S PALACE 3D PLAYSET WITH HAN SOLO IN CARBONITE
SKIFF GUARDS / PIT OF CARKOON
Weequay
Weequay Skiff Master
Kithaba
Barada
Klaatu
Nikto (Skiff Guard)
Vizam
Jabba's bartender droid
Bar2-D2
Nikto Gunner (Nysad)
Pote Snitkin
Jabba's Skiff Guard (TBS - Sgt. Doallyn)
PIT OF CARKOON ULTIMATE BATTLE PACK (with Sarlacc & Skiff)
Leia in slave outfit with Sail barge cannon
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For those that say you can't afford it, just open a zero interest credit card and pay it off in installments.
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I am so temptedd to jump in on this. I like the route Hasbro is going in getting something like this made. If I were to pull the trigger, I would have to reorganize my entire collection room. My Jabba’s palace diorama would have to become a Khetanna diorama, and I’m still not sure where I could put it.
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From the first skiff, I believe the driver (the guy that Lando wrestled with before their knocked into the sand) is the only one missing that I recall at the moment. I'd be happy with the guy that shoots Luke's hand as well. If it's a case of likeness, they can change the face and I'd be fine with it.
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For those that say you can't afford it, just open a zero interest credit card and pay it off in installments.
This isn’t always great advice. Keep in mind opening new lines of credit affects the AAoA part of your credit score and should only be considered if you’re someone who’s responsible with credit.
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For those that say you can't afford it, just open a zero interest credit card and pay it off in installments.
This isn’t always great advice. Keep in mind opening new lines of credit affects the AAoA part of your credit score and should only be considered if you’re someone who’s responsible with credit.
It's that "responsible with credit" part that's the key. I used my PayPal Credit to pay - for all purchases over $100, I have 6 months of no interest to pay it back. Since I ordered 2 that's less than $200 a month that I have to come up with to pay this off before I start accruing interest. I use it every year for the Lego SDCC exclusives, I also used it for the Lego UCS Millennium Falcon - I have yet to ever give PayPal a penny of interest.
The six months on this won't start until the charge is made on April 3rd - so that's plenty of time for me to come up with the money.
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I have a low interest 1.5% cash back all purchases CC I use for this, auto parts, major expenses, and all my online toy purchases. It has a moderate limit and I just prefer to have it for things like this and whatnot. At least I'm getting something back too. Like Rob said though, be wary of just opening CCs to do things randomly. Too many open lines and you're screwing yourself over. Even opening and quickly paying off/closing the card impacts your score negatively sometimes. Depends where you are in life I suppose too, like owning your home, no plans to buy another, no new car purchase anytime soon, all that jazz.
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I was half a joking about the credit card thing, but half serious. 20 years ago I would have done it, in spite of it potentially opening a Pandora's box. That's pretty much the whole deal with credit cards. Instant gratification, prolonged debt. Potentially prolonged satisfaction too though. It can be a mixed bag and obviously a lot of people get themselves into trouble.
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**** it. I just ordered it... I'm in.
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I was half a joking about the credit card thing, but half serious. 20 years ago I would have done it, in spite of it potentially opening a Pandora's box. That's pretty much the whole deal with credit cards. Instant gratification, prolonged debt. Potentially prolonged satisfaction too though. It can be a mixed bag and obviously a lot of people get themselves into trouble.
That just depends on how you handle your finances of course... for me, I've paid my cards off in full every month for my entire life, and I put EVERYTHING on the credit card, because if my account number gets stolen, it's VISA's money getting taken, not mine. I had a weird charge a year or two ago for $16,500 and I just reported it and got a new card 2 days later. Piece of cake, nothing out of my checking.
Also, I get about $50 a month in cash back.
So yeah, I'm all about credit cards, but not as a way to buy stuff I can't afford.
And with that in mind, I just made it official and put down for the Sail Barge... it went to 928 when I finished.
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Glad you got yours ordered!
I personally do have credit card debt, but it's sustainable (mostly). Sometime this year, I plan on having a pretty big Star Wars purge and that will wipe out a lot of it, and also hopefully pay for a good part of a 2019 family Disney trip.
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Glad you got yours ordered!
I personally do have credit card debt, but it's sustainable (mostly). Sometime this year, I plan on having a pretty big Star Wars purge and that will wipe out a lot of it, and also hopefully pay for a good part of a 2019 family Disney trip.
Hey, tons of people do. I hope it all works out nicely for you!
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Almost everyone in the US does. It's pretty common. It's also a cycle and something they don't teach you about in High School for basic adulting later in life haha.
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But at least you can write in cursive
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Glad you got yours ordered!
I personally do have credit card debt, but it's sustainable (mostly). Sometime this year, I plan on having a pretty big Star Wars purge and that will wipe out a lot of it, and also hopefully pay for a good part of a 2019 family Disney trip.
Hey, tons of people do. I hope it all works out nicely for you!
Thanks!
Unfortuantely, I fear the customizing market has dropped a lot (smaller group of people buying them). I should have tried to sell a lot of customs many years ago. Just been too lazy to do get around to it. I plan on giving it a go though in the coming months. I might be surprised but I am going to tempter my expectations.
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Almost everyone in the US does. It's pretty common. It's also a cycle and something they don't teach you about in High School for basic adulting later in life haha.
No doubt, personal finance should be taught in high school.
Back to the Sail Barge... closing in on 1,000 pre-orders on day 2.
I really hope it can sustain this kind of momentum once the convention is over.
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But at least you can write in cursive
Hah. I've almost forgotten how to do that at this point.
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Woot! 1000 backers...
(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=9207)
...Getting to 5000 though seems really far out and I'm trying not to get my hopes up
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It'll be interesting to see if there are a few big jumps in the coming weeks as international groups figure out the logistics behind getting access to this.
Did Hasbro say why they were excluding international customers? Shipping logistics too hard, or no rights to sell internationally, or challenges with "exclusives" and different international laws?
That cuts out a potentially very large amount of customers if you just say US only.
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I don't know if there's any truth to it, but someone commented in a Reddit thread that Hasbro was looking for ways to open it up to international buyers.
I think if they do, it makes 5k no problem.
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I don't know if there's any truth to it, but someone commented in a Reddit thread that Hasbro was looking for ways to open it up to international buyers.
I think if they do, it makes 5k no problem.
I saw on FB that the crew from JediNews in the UK was hearing from Hasbro that they are looking to see what they can do for international orders
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1149 1151 so far. It's moving.
I feel like most of these kickstarters have extensions though. I'm trying really hard not to get my hopes up, but <meladrama>my life will be incomplete without that sail barge mounted above the minibar in my office/collection room</melodrama>. I mean, I already have that Jabba's Palace coffee table in the same ******* room. It's like it's meant to be!
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Did Hasbro say why they were excluding international customers? Shipping logistics too hard, or no rights to sell internationally, or challenges with "exclusives" and different international laws?
A few of the OUS markets do have distribution agreements/laws where Hasbro can't technically do direct-to-consumer (which is why HTS is mainly just US and Canada), but my understanding is shipping logistics are also a factor (not wanting to have to set up the site to compute/predict shipping rates on a 14-lb item all over the world a year from now).
I can see them working things out to get Canada into the mix (using the same agreements they have for HTS), but the rest of the world is probably going to have to wait and see.
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This thing has been all over the collecting sites and also just pop culture sites in general, like Gizmodo and stuff like that. I'm hoping that gives it a nice boost. We're at 1164 right now.
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One point of curiosity? Will some of the bigger etailers take the plunge and commit to ordering some of these? I'm thinking very specifically of sites like EE, BBTS, BriansToys, etc. Because they might be able to fill some of the gaps for foreign clients who cannot be served directly by Hasbro. There may be money to be made for the etailers to explore such an option. But if they do take a position, how many do they commit to? At $500 each these are not cheap. And can the international buyers deal with the likely markup from a third party seller?
I really want to see where the campaign stands in one week. I think we knew that there would be a strong initial response. But will the campaign backing be up to 2,500 orders, or 50% of the goal within a week's time?
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Maybe the etailers should have their own kickstarter, for international customers. ;D
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Did Hasbro say why they were excluding international customers? Shipping logistics too hard, or no rights to sell internationally, or challenges with "exclusives" and different international laws?
A few of the OUS markets do have distribution agreements/laws where Hasbro can't technically do direct-to-consumer (which is why HTS is mainly just US and Canada), but my understanding is shipping logistics are also a factor (not wanting to have to set up the site to compute/predict shipping rates on a 14-lb item all over the world a year from now).
I can see them working things out to get Canada into the mix (using the same agreements they have for HTS), but the rest of the world is probably going to have to wait and see.
ADAM PAWLUS.....PAGING ADAM PAWLUS!
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Did I really just commit $500 -- $500!! -- to buy... Thirteen. Pounds. Of plastic?
When I die, I want my ashes placed inside the sail barge and the barge exploded over the Yuma desert.
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Woot! 1000 backers...
(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=9207)
...Getting to 5000 though seems really far out and I'm trying not to get my hopes up
About 24 hours later it's just a couple away from passing 1,300 - 300 more than this time yesterday.
I know that's not likely sustainable, but from this point, it would have to average a little under 90 per day to hit the goal.
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My biggest thing is where would I put it? I'm less about Star Wars now and more about retro video games. In fact, I'm building an arcade coffee table. Maybe I could put the ship inside it?! Hmmm. Will this fly pass the wife? Probably not.
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Wow. It has taken me a full day just to wrap my head around this thing. If made, this will be the stuff of legends, probably only on par with something like the GI Joe Aircraft Carrier. The sheer size of it is still a little hard for me to envision, and I have zero idea where I would put something like that despite a fairly large space carved out for Star Wars. But I love everything about this offering. The details are incredible (wall hangings, fabric sails, the ithorian corpse in jail? Wow. The crowd-source concept is very forward thinking for a big company like Hasbro, and I don't see how they don't move on to a Death Star if this thing succeeds. I'm going to give it a few more days to talk myself out of it, but I think I'm in. :)
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I'm not sure how to read the backing numbers so far... It's a short time, but at the same time I've seen other KS campaigns fly past this in terms of funding. I don't know. Hope it's made. I'm not any worse off if it isn't though. I had 0 expectation of them doing anything like this just a few days ago, so I'm not going to flip my wig if it fails. I hope it doesn't though.
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From Hasbro PR team, Re: Global Access to Khetanna:
"It has been great to hear the reaction to the HasLab launch and know there is a strong interest from our fans globally. Right now, this initiative is available in the U.S., but we’ve been working for a while on how best to offer Jabba’s Sail Barge to fans globally if the campaign in the U.S. successfully reaches the 5,000 threshold and hope to have an update to share soon."
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My fear is that a lot of the people who would back this already have. It if's not at 2500 this coming weekend, I'll be worried, especially since many websites have run articles on it now so the word is getting out there.
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I'm no Kickstarter expert, but I think they'll reach 5,000. I've had the same thoughts running through my mind with the Sectaurs Kickstarter these past few weeks, but the counts keep rising every day. The barge has been out for just 48 hours and it's already 25% funded. I spoke with two buddies tonight and like me, they're 95% sold on this, but just want a little more time before they pledge. While totally worth the price, $500 is enough money to second guess your purchase. I just need some time to settle into the idea, figure out where I'm going to put it, determine how badly my wife is going to beat me, etc. I think a lot of other people are in the same boat. Give it a few weeks for people to rationalize it and get on board before worrying it's not going to happen.
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Yeah I haven't yet either but I'm going to. I'm getting some random things in order first, but yeah really I have no clue where this thing is going. Like I said, just days ago this wasn't on my radar. Today it is. If it fails, I'm no worse off. If it succeeds great, I want one.
I'm hearing there is some brow beating going on... telling people they're not real collectors if they don't support it, blah blah blah. F that noise. If you can't you can't. If you simply can't justify the price, that's you and your business, nobody else, and I hate that some folks are taking this as a chance to **** on other people's fandom or passion. For some it's just not financially viable. For others, it's financially viable, but tough to justify. I've literally had cars that cost less and were my daily drivers for years, and so that's a lot for a piece of plastic. Can't fault anyone their feelings on the matter really.
I mean if you're bitching it's not worth it because the Flagg was $100 30+ years ago, you're not really seeing the broader picture I think. But if you're just not able to justify or come up with it, hey, that's cool.
This will sink or swim on its own merits. Collectors will rise to the occasion or they won't. Some have talked a lot, and I think there are quite a few who won't back that talk up. Those people suck, haha. But I mean hey, if you can't because you just can't, whatever. It's just a toy. And I still get my tank anyway.
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If you've been hating on 5 POA figs and now skip the new figs in the Vintage Collection that kinda sucks.
If for any reason you skip the Barge despite anything you've said about Hasbro raising their game, I got nothing negative to say. $500 for a toy is ok for anyone to balk at.
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Yeah. Not everyone has that money just sitting there for a toy. I don't think people were necessarily envisioning a 4 foot by 2 foot barge when they were discussing this in the past either.Maybe half that at about $200.
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Wasn't the Castle Greyskull kickstarter kind of a similar slow roll?
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I'm hearing there is some brow beating going on... telling people they're not real collectors if they don't support it, blah blah blah. F that noise. If you can't you can't. If you simply can't justify the price, that's you and your business, nobody else, and I hate that some folks are taking this as a chance to **** on other people's fandom or passion.
Oh, there is plenty of that going on right now, and I'm sure it wouldn't surprise anyone who is leading the charge. (DouchebagTempleArchives)
I would also throw out there that if the people running these websites want this thing to happen, STOP TALKING ABOUT HOW FAR AWAY THE GOAL IS. Telling people they are "nowhere near" getting this thing is just discouraging. It would be a lot more motivating to focus positively on the progress so far, IMHO.
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Such a douche move for someone who has $500 to spend and not bat an eye to try and shame someone else into this who may screw themselves by spending $500 they don't have. Just to assure "rich" guy gets to have one
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I don't want to get stuck in the tar pit of JTA's many, many character defects, but this is as others have said, simply irresponsible. No one else needs to go into debt, manageable or otherwise, to subsidize someone else's hobby. No one needs to buy something at full retail, if they can't afford it. If they pick it up on clearance, they're taking advantage of a market that decided the thing was too expensive or unwanted. That's how it is in collecting. if you have a problem with 'those people' then you have much bigger problems in your life. They're toys. That's all. Don't skip meals. Don't skip payments to other obligations. Get your priorities straight.
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If you simply can't justify the price, that's you and your business, nobody else, and I hate that some folks are taking this as a chance to **** on other people's fandom or passion.
No one needs to buy something at full retail, if they can't afford it. If they pick it up on clearance, they're taking advantage of a market that decided the thing was too expensive or unwanted. That's how it is in collecting. if you have a problem with 'those people' then you have much bigger problems in your life. They're toys. That's all.
Yeah, +1 on this.
I'm lucky to be at a point in my life where I can drop $500 on this and not have to freak out about it. Not everyone is that lucky or in that spot in life. I can't shame anyone for waiting and hoping for clearance because of finances. They are just little plastic toys at the end of the day.
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Some prominent collecting site people have stated on social media that if the Sail Barge is beyond your means, then it's irresponsible for anyone to advise them going into debt to attain one. I think that's being reasonable and responsible, as much as anyone might want this Sail Barge. I'm wrestling with that issue myself. And I will not judge anyone negatively for saying that the price point on the Sail barge may be too high.
Well, JTA seems to have umbrage to what a lot of reasonable people can agree is an outwardly responsible message. And they've taken to attacking people who have advocated that message on social media. Just WTF is wrong with that troll?
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I appreciate the passion that some have for this, but I also don't understand public shaming. If it happens, awesome and I will be thrilled. If not, I'll be disappointed - but I'm not sure we'll ever hear the end of it.
For me, I'm not sure what's worse - the price or the size.
$500 is a crazy about of money to spend on a toy, but I do think it looks to be worth the price if you can afford it.
Space is such an issue now, so any time I add something of size, I either have to find a way to get really creative, or subtract something else. So I guess space is probably my biggest issue that I'll face with this item (assuming it's made).
As for other toy line kickstarters, the ones I am familiar with all needed funding in the range of 80k - 150k... this one is 2.5 million... so it's the most ambitious one that I've ever checked out (by far).
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Passion is great. And so is the prototype that Hasbro showed off on Saturday.
But advising people to go into debt is a leap in an incredibly irresponsible direction. Especially when your audience may consist of people who have families that depend on them for financial support.
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Yeah. Not everyone has that money just sitting there for a toy. I don't think people were necessarily envisioning a 4 foot by 2 foot barge when they were discussing this in the past either.Maybe half that at about $200.
You gave me a scare for a second... my plan was to put this onto a 12" deep shelf, and I thought you were being specific when you said 2 feet wide...
Width is 14.6" so it'll overhang a little on mine...
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Well, JTA seems to have umbrage to what a lot of reasonable people can agree is an outwardly responsible message. And they've taken to attacking people who have advocated that message on social media. Just WTF is wrong with that troll?
I saw that too, and yet he claims he didn't start it (but call out a couple sites that he claims are SJWish). SMH.
As for me, I'd love to get one, but am leaning towards No at the moment. As Chewie said, space and money. I have a small office for my Star Wars display, so getting something that large would eat up a lot of display room. I'm in a position where I'm financially secure, but I still have to ask whether it's worth $500 for one toy that's going to sit in a room for only my enjoyment. For $500, there are a lot of other activities that I'd like to partake in as well, from concerts and shows with my wife (to share in the experience), to races and travel... everything costs something, so it's weighing the costs and justifying the worth.
If I don't get one it's not the end of the world for me... and it shouldn't be for others. It's just a toy. No one should be pressured into buying one for the sake of the hobby, especially if it's beyond one's means.
But I truly hope the project get 5000 takers for those that want the Sail Barge. I'm not sure what would happen if it fails to reach the numbers. Would it spell the end for any such experiments or would Hasbro try something smaller for a lesser price? That's what I'd like to know because I think there are a lot of ideas for Hasbro to explore that could be targeted at $100-150 (but I don't really know if my ideas and the price tag match up either). Thoughts?
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I don't know why our hobby revolves around the rampaging insecurities of a man who really needs some perspective in his life. He screams about collectors ruining a hobby by not supporting it at retail as he pimps eBay auction links to an overseas seller that is selling Hasbro product out the back door. He bitches about other sites leaking when he does it all the time. He bitches about Hasbro while he kisses their ass. But i've said all that before about this guy. He's a dumpster fire who refuses to go out.
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I'm no Kickstarter expert, but I think they'll reach 5,000. I've had the same thoughts running through my mind with the Sectaurs Kickstarter these past few weeks, but the counts keep rising every day. The barge has been out for just 48 hours and it's already 25% funded. I spoke with two buddies tonight and like me, they're 95% sold on this, but just want a little more time before they pledge. While totally worth the price, $500 is enough money to second guess your purchase. I just need some time to settle into the idea, figure out where I'm going to put it, determine how badly my wife is going to beat me, etc. I think a lot of other people are in the same boat. Give it a few weeks for people to rationalize it and get on board before worrying it's not going to happen.
I have to confess that I'm in that camp. I literally just paid for a trip to the UK and Ireland with my family and need to wait a week or two to clear room and plan to pay for the charge. BUT, I am ordering by month's end.
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Just placed my order.
Yeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/OzjK1wd.gif)
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I really wish there was an option to pledge the $500 and then pay it off in smaller amounts. I'd be able to afford $150-200 a month for 3-4 months. $500 in one lump sum is a lot of cash for me though.
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I really wish there was an option to pledge the $500 and then pay it off in smaller amounts. I'd be able to afford $150-200 a month for 3-4 months. $500 in one lump sum is a lot of cash for me though.
Well, that's the zero interest credit card plan that someone mentioned earlier. There are plenty of cards out there - probably even offered by your bank - where you can get at least 6 months interest free. So you put $500 on the card, make the minimum payment, and get everything paid off in six months without paying anything extra. I'd only advise that if you have a definitive payoff plan and are responsible to make the payments, but it's an option for someone who needs the extra few months of funding.
Supporters are almost up to 30% as of day 3: 1469 and counting
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I really wish there was an option to pledge the $500 and then pay it off in smaller amounts. I'd be able to afford $150-200 a month for 3-4 months. $500 in one lump sum is a lot of cash for me though.
Well, that's the zero interest credit card plan that someone mentioned earlier. There are plenty of cards out there - probably even offered by your bank - where you can get at least 6 months interest free. So you put $500 on the card, make the minimum payment, and get everything paid off in six months without paying anything extra. I'd only advise that if you have a definitive payoff plan and are responsible to make the payments, but it's an option for someone who needs the extra few months of funding.
Supporters are almost up to 30% as of day 3: 1469 and counting
Sure, there are credit options like that out there. And I think someone who is responsible in managing their own money and debt may be able to manage that.
Where I've taken issue with this angle of the conversation is that a collecting site, notably JTA, has come out and openly advocated for people to go into debt in an effort to push this crowd funding project forward. And that's because JTA really wants the Sail Barge made. And they will never have to deal with, and do not care about the possible ramifications of someone going into debt or overextending themselves financially. All because they want a really cool toy. And that's incredibly messed up.
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It is really upsetting that something like this, nearly universally praised and an exciting time for our hobby in general, is getting turned into a negative by certain people/sites. Can't we just enjoy this? If you want it and can afford it? Great. If it's not your bag or too pricey? That's fine too. Personally, mine depends if I can 1) sell enough by April to offset the cost 2) sell the Mrs. On it, and 3) figure out where it will live. I definitely want it, but I won't go into debt over it. I have a small office where my collection lives, and managing space means rotating things out to make room for something like this.
I never had (or knew someone that had) the USS FLAGG as a kid, and this seems like that sort of holy grail.
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Pete-do you have a PayPal credit card or just using the PayPal credit feature? You can "borrow" the money now with the chance the transaction may never happen?
Sorry for the delay in my response. I just have the PayPal Credit feature - I could have gotten a credit card to use against that available credit line, but I opted to not go that route because I do not like to carry a lot of credit-card debt month-to-month. So it's more like a line of credit than a credit card. I hope that makes sense.
I did get a notice from PayPal that there was an authorization issued for the amount, but my current balance is still $0, but my available credit has been reduced by the pledge amount. My payback period of 6 months won't start until the charge is actually processed on the 3rd of April.
So if it makes it (which I hope it does) the clock starts for me April 3rd. If it fails to reach 5000 backers then the authorization will be released and I'll never have had to give Paypal anything for this. It's not like I got charged and then Hasbro is going to issue a refund.
To me this made the most sense for a couple of reasons:
1) I get 6 months to spread the cost of my two sail barges out
2) I keep a credit card for emergencies like home/car repair, medical expenses, etc... if I had used my credit card it would have reduced my available credit on that card by $1067, which kinda stinks and defeats the purpose of having the card for emergencies, so instead I used my PayPal credit line which I have SOLELY for picking up big items for my collection.
I hope that helps answer any questions you have Nick - if you have any others, feel free to reach out.
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Re: affording the sail barge
beware if you have a mortgage and mortgage insurance...
Our expert accountant noted we owe an extra $1,700 due to the expired deduction for mortgage insurance, which we have to pay for at least another 5 years.
That's really exciting given my sail barge effort 😫
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Re: affording the sail barge
beware if you have a mortgage and mortgage insurance...
Our expert accountant noted we owe an extra $1,700 due to the expired deduction for mortgage insurance, which we have to pay for at least another 5 years.
That's really exciting given my sail barge effort 😫
I'm certainly not your accountant or a tax expert, but I thought anything related to the changes to the tax code don't kick in until next year's taxes? Most people saw a slight bump in their checks now because the tax rates changed, so the withholdings changed, but shouldn't you still be writing off that mortgage interest as it pertains to 2017?
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Yeah, unless this was a change made last year. The new tax changes should be for your 2018 taxes, filed in 2019.
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Re: affording the sail barge
beware if you have a mortgage and mortgage insurance...
Our expert accountant noted we owe an extra $1,700 due to the expired deduction for mortgage insurance, which we have to pay for at least another 5 years.
That's really exciting given my sail barge effort
I'm certainly not your accountant or a tax expert, but I thought anything related to the changes to the tax code don't kick in until next year's taxes? Most people saw a slight bump in their checks now because the tax rates changed, so the withholdings changed, but shouldn't you still be writing off that mortgage interest as it pertains to 2017?
This is not from Trump's new tax plan. Its a simple expiration of a normal deduction.
Google knows something..
https://www.quickenloans.com/blog/changes-store-mortgage-insurance-premiums-1098-2017
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p936.pdf
Also, to be clear... Mortgage insurance is not present on all mortgages. Most banks require you to have it and pay it as part of your monthly payment when you have only had your mortgage under 10ish years or so and have not paid off more than 20%ish of the principal. Either way. if you were paying for mortgage insurance last year, you are not getting the same benefit you used to. This makes it look like I owe more, when its simply a matter that I can deduct less.
Or, maybe I can hire Jabba's shifty accountants..
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tessek/Legends
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shasa_Tiel/Legends
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mosep_Binneed
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Loje_Nella
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Yeah that sucks.
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Looks like Sail Barge orders are finally slowing down... today's the first day where I'm not confident that it's going to make it.
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I dunno, it's at 1,619 with 41 days to go.
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I dunno, it's at 1,619 with 41 days to go.
Yeah, but after going up 300 per day in day 2 and 3, yesterday was closer to 200, and so far today it's only up around 100 so far.
It's definitely slowing down. Question is whether or not it'll become old news and if there are enough people waiting for one reason or another who are going to commit.
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I think there are a lot of people that will wait to make up their mind when the last week hits. If the total is 3000 then someone may feel their mind was made up for them. Obviously hopefully there aren't 2000 of those people
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I also wanted to say if you haven't put in your $500 yet, that you are a minion of Satan and will burn in hell.
May I suggest robbing small school children of their lunch money or having your children skip their lunch for the remainder of 2018.
Thanks for your support
#makesureigetmine
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I think people should take the money out of their kids' college fund. #totallyworthit
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I think people should take the money out of their kids' college fund. #totallyworthit
"Invest" it in a Sail Barge. Enjoy that Sail Barge for 10 years or whatever it is. Sell it for a profit and pay back the bank.
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Well, due to the constant pressure and bullying from others on this thread I have reluctantly gone ahead and ordered this item.
Backer Tracker: 1637
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We really are a bunch of pricks. ;D
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Yeah. Not everyone has that money just sitting there for a toy. I don't think people were necessarily envisioning a 4 foot by 2 foot barge when they were discussing this in the past either.Maybe half that at about $200.
You gave me a scare for a second... my plan was to put this onto a 12" deep shelf, and I thought you were being specific when you said 2 feet wide...
Width is 14.6" so it'll overhang a little on mine...
Sorry! I was just speaking in generalities!
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1700 backers and climbing. If they can maintain a rate of 100 new backers per day, we just might pass 5000.
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We really are a bunch of pricks. ;D
I thought they're just mocking another site.
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Particularly if there's a big push at the end, which is what many are expecting. I'm cautiously optimistic.
I want that ship...not excuses!
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We really are a bunch of pricks. ;D
I thought they're just mocking another site.
I was just joking.
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We really are a bunch of pricks. ;D
I thought they're just mocking another site.
I was just joking.
No you weren't. ;) <--- Missed yours... now back to reading comprehension 101!
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1700 backers and climbing. If they can maintain a rate of 100 new backers per day, we just might pass 5000.
The sooner the better, they said it'll go into production as soon as it hits 5k, so theoretically if it hits sooner, we'd all get it a little sooner.
Sorry! I was just speaking in generalities!
:)
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I want it yesterday.
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1700 backers and climbing. If they can maintain a rate of 100 new backers per day, we just might pass 5000.
I'm keeping a spread sheet. At the current rate we can make it with just 80 units a day. #1513 at 8:30 pm 02/20/18, #1638 at 8:30 pm 02/21/18 was 125 units. As I type this its at 5:30pm central #1734, up 96 units from 8:30 central time last night.
I'm not getting cocky, but this is a good pace. This barge might make it if some rebels don't F--- it up.
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I wish one of the etailers would figure out a way to buy a bunch for international customers. Though I guess it all comes down to how much profit they could really make.
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(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=9211)
I see 1750 as a milestone, but still so far to go... :-\
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We really are a bunch of pricks. ;D
I thought they're just mocking another site.
I was just joking.
Just joking? You should try to get a gig at the site chastising people. It’s seemingly always just a gag once someone says something. Regular Comedy Cellar over there. 😄
But yeah we are pricks. I still haven’t got mine. Neener neener neener. :-*
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We really are a bunch of pricks. ;D
I thought they're just mocking another site.
I was just joking.
Just joking? You should try to get a gig at the site chastising people. It’s seemingly always just a gag once someone says something. Regular Comedy Cellar over there. 😄
But yeah we are pricks. I still haven’t got mine. Neener neener neener. :-*
You, sir, have failed this hobby. :'(
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We're officially past 1800
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We're officially past 1800
And that was like 25 in the last two hours or so. A good little surge compared to the last day or two.
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You, sir, have failed this hobby. :'(
So I hear. 🤔
I hear whole sites just aren’t doing enough and only one is really trying. Hell I hear some sites are acting like TVC coming back isn’t even a big deal!
I also hear some sites act like they single handedly accomplished it too... or even had any impact.🤷♂️
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I noticed today that Retroblasting (a YouTube channel I really enjoy) posted a video with his opinions on the whole thing today. He isn't overly positive about it (although agreeing that it looks amazing), but isn't a fan basically of a big Corp like Hasbro "crowdfunding" it. Anyways I see this afternoon that it has caused quite a hubbub over at JTA (surprise, surprise).
As a side note, between reading the comments there and on the video itself, it really shows how divided fandom is these days. So much dislike or even hate coming from both sides of things. No wonder things can't get done sometimes.
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I've been watching that Youtube video you just mentioned, and I'm only 6 or 7 minutes in, but I'm not finding his argument to be very convincing.
In my mind Hasbro isn't perfect, but still knows infinitely more about the risks and costs and rewards of producing various toys in various scales than any of us do and if they're moving back towards more collector focused products, that's great. The Sail Barge never happened, and if they need to mitigate their risk to be willing to produce something we all want, I don't see any problem with it.
If that's what it takes to get it done, and it's reserved for special cases like this, I don't have any problem with it and I don't know why anyone else does.
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I agree completely. I don’t have any problem with them doing something like this for items that are either too large (like this), or even single figures that would just be dead weight at retail (like an Imperial Dignitary for instance). There is no way something like this would come to retail. A $500 gigantic shelf hog? Doubtful. This is perfect for something like this.
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I'm still watching... his whole argument seems to be, Matty Collector sucked, $500 is a lot of money, and Hasbro sucks.
I don't think he's making any real points here... he's just kind of dissenting, which he's certainly entitled to do, but whatever.
I also love how he wraps up by bitching about the Falcon they're mass producing for the new movie... but also complaining about the price, and the quality they're putting into the barge.
That's Hasbro's WHOLE POINT - that manufacturing being what it is these days, for the $100 price point you get crap... but a mass market toy that's $500 won't move at all, so they're between a rock and a hard place. To me HasLab is an out-of-the-box swing at actually producing something collectors want.
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I had never heard of that YouTube channel until JTA front paged it to complain about it.
I agree the community is very divided right now. Seems like there is so much hostility between collectors too. I guess as I've gotten older, I shrug my shoulders a lot more than I used to.
I was much more passionate about things (not just Star Wars) 5-10 years ago. I guess kids, stress at work, and gray hair have taken a toll on me.
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I can appreciate where the guy from Retroblasting is coming from. At least in the sense that the concept of crowdfunding does seem misplaced in this particular endeavor. Hasbro has definitely adopted the CONCEPT of crowdfunding in this campaign: a goal and a timeline, and promoting it through social media and associated online platforms. But the reality is that this is more of a pre-order in terms of practice. Hasbro just has a target number that they've made public before they're prepared to fulfill those preorders.
Is it cool that Hasbro wants a $2.5 million commitment from collectors in light of the fact that Hasbro had over $5 billion in revenue last year? That's debatable. Hasbro is a business, not a charity. And they stand to make at least $1 million in profit if they adhere to standard corporate profit models. It's not like we're talking about artists who used kickstarters to further a musical project.
There are some other business considerations to keep in mind. First, what if Hasbro just took it upon themselves to produce and market this piece without the HasLab outreach? I think the collector response would be overwhelmingly positive about the toy itself. But inevitably the conversation would shift to the price: it's too expensive, what retailer has the best price, what sales can I take advantage of, when does it go on clearance, etc. Because we had these conversations on public forums about plenty of other big vehicles in the past. Most recently I can remember it happening with the 6" TBS First Order TIE Fighter and the ROGUE ONE AT-ACT. There was that initial sticker shock followed by people waiting for sales and clearances. No doubt Hasbro knows that and so do retailers. That doesn't do Hasbro or the retailers any good.
And speaking of the retailers? They seem to have gotten the shaft on these recent vehicles. The retailers pay wholesale for these items and then have to put them on shelves. And items like the TBS TIE Fighter and RO AT-ACT took up a lot of shelf space. That shelf space translates to merchandise/money. The TIE Fighter was a $160 that didn't move so fast. The AT-ACT was initially $299 and also did not move so fast. A $500 item? I'm thinking that based on the price alone: it would not move so fast. Once the Targets, WalMarts and TRU's of the world get stuck with something this big, are they really going to want to slash its price in order to free up the shelf space?
There's also the mechanics of the shelving. Those shelf sections are typically 4 feet wide. The Khetanna is reportedly over 4 feet in length. So how big is the box? How much shelf space would this take up? And this vehicle isn't exactly supported by current media.
Putting the Sail Barge out to wider retail considering what we've seen in the past just does not seem to work for the retailers. And I would bet that Hasbro approached a number of retailers about the Sail Barge as a wide release as well as an exclusive. My guess is that the retailers said no, and it was because of the price point and the shelf space. And I think that's why we're talking about why Hasbro is offering up the Sail Barge via HasLab.
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Good points. Also if Hasbro just made the sail barge the old fashioned way and it bombed, the cost to them wouldn’t just be the loss on the barge, but the opportunity cost of not using the resources that went into it to make something safer and profitable.
I keep saying it, but it my mind this is an inventive idea on their part to give collectors something they’ve been asking for for decades and I think we should be far more complimentary (as most of us seem to be) and far far less whiny (as a few of us seem to be) about it. But you certainly can’t please everyone.
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Whereas I get crowdfunding seems odd from a large company, I think with the large vehicle/playset market being what it's been this thing never has a shot of seeing the light of day otherwise.
Hasbro had the balls to take the guff for crowdfunding and give us a shot at this. I'm imagining Target laughing in the face of Hasbro as they explain shelf space needed and cost.
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Nick makes a lot of great points.
I think this is the best and probably only way Hasbro could present an item like this, in today's market. A $500 toy with no feature except its outrageous size, in a shrinking world of big box retail, is a non starter. Online only? Maybe. Amazon isn't worried about shelf space. But the price remains. And the price is an important factor. The market simply won't support a large SW item north of $100 right now. I don't know if it supports one above $50. I'm still shocked Hasbro is even attempting this, but there's a need to engage legacy collectors in a full scale way that I think represents a larger concern Hasbro's part: new collectors aren't developing or sticking around. The market is too crowded, and the windows of opportunity too short, for any of this to catch on.
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I keep saying it, but it my mind this is an inventive idea on their part to give collectors something they’ve been asking for for decades and I think we should be far more complimentary (as most of us seem to be) and far far less whiny (as a few of us seem to be) about it. But you certainly can’t please everyone.
It's absolutely a creative way of conducting outreach to hardcore fans. I appreciate Hasbro trying to find a way to make this possible. I think it was a labor of love for people like Steve Evans who seems genuinely enthusiastic, and it also looks like it might be a grand finale for someone like Mark Boudreaux who has been designing the vehicles since the very beginning.
The goal of the campaign gives Hasbro a benchmark that serves them in a number of ways. First, to see what the market will bear in terms of price. It also gives them a clearer picture of how many adult collectors in the U.S. can really take the plunge on a project like this. And if they don't meet the goal number? The potential lack of fan interest gives Hasbro an out without taking a huge risk.
The continued point of concern for me and a lot of people seems to be the price. Because the escalation in pricing for very large vehicles seems like it's gotten to a breaking point. There seemed to be a standard for a long time as you can see here:
1999 - EPISODE I - Naboo Royal Starship - $99.99
1999 - EPISODE I - Fambaa & Gungan Warrior - $75.00
2002 - SAGA - Imperial Shuttle - $99.99
2004 - OTC - Millennium Falcon - $49.99
2006 - THE SAGA COLLECTION - Imperial Shuttle - $59.99
2008 - CLONE WARS - AT-TE - $99.99
2008 - LEGACY COLLECTION - Millennium Falcon - $159.99
2009 - CLONE WARS - Clone Turbo Tank - $99.99
2010 - CLONE WARS SOTDS - AT-AT - $99.99
2011 - CLONE WARS - Republic Attack Shuttle - $79.99
2012 - VINTAGE COLLECTION - Millennium Falcon - $249.99
2012 - DISCOVER THE FORCE - MTT - $129.99
2012 - VINTAGE COLLECTION - AT-AT - $149.99
2013 - VINTAGE COLLECTION - Republic Gunship - $119.99
2015 - THE FORCE AWAKENS - Millennium Falcon - $149.99
2015 - BLACK SERIES - First Order Special Forces TIE Fighter - $179.99
2016 - ROGUE ONE - AT-ACT - $299.99
The trend in terms of pricing just doesn't seem to be with us. Especially from 2012 on. And 2012 is coincidentally the year that Disney purchased the franchise. It does make you wonder.
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While maybe it varied, when that Falcon was in stores here in 2012, it was $329.99.
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Was the 2012 Falcon a re-release of the BMF?
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Yes, the TRU exclusive version in the Vintage style box:
(http://www.toymania.com/sites/default/files/images/STAR%20WARS%20TRU%20Exclusive%20Millenium%20Falcon.preview.jpg)
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While maybe it varied, when that Falcon was in stores here in 2012, it was $329.99.
I'm not doubting you in the least, Rob. I do recall word of the price of the TVC reissue of the BMF Falcon varying, but I wasn't all that tuned into it since I had bought mine back in 2008. But I have seen varying pricing at TRU before in some markets. That $249.99 is what RS had in their image guide which I referenced while putting together the list.
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I got mine for 50% off Black Friday sale. Definitely worth it.
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I got the BMF in 2008 for full price ($159). I don't regret it at all.
$250 or more would have sucked a bit, though. But damn, that thing is a crown jewel in my collection. I still absolutely love it.
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Was thinking about this last night and started wondering how and why they decided on the deadline. I mean, if they end up getting close but falling short could they not just extend it? Seems like the more time they gave people the better response they would have.
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Was thinking about this last night and started wondering how and why they decided on the deadline. I mean, if they end up getting close but falling short could they not just extend it? Seems like the more time they gave people the better response they would have.
I think that since the TOS said:
In the event the campaign is not successfully backed with the minimum number of backers (5,000) by 11:59 EST on April 3rd, 2018, you will not be charged, and no The Vintage Collection Jabba's Sail Barge (The Khetanna) vehicle or Jabba's Sail Barge (The Khetanna): Behind the Workbench booklet will be sent to you.
...that they've denied themselves that flexibility. The only way I could see them making it even if it hasn't hit its numbers in the closing moments, is to simply order the remainder for themselves and sell them on HTS or something like that.
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RS has a gallery with more photos of the prototype:
http://www.rebelscum.com/2018/Hasbro-Haslab-Jabbas-Sail-Barge-Feb22-gallery/default.asp
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Was thinking about this last night and started wondering how and why they decided on the deadline. I mean, if they end up getting close but falling short could they not just extend it? Seems like the more time they gave people the better response they would have.
It is interesting that they imposed the deadline. But then they might have a deadline with the factory where they've got to commit by a certain date in order to deliver by February 28, 2019.
The deadline also brings to mind the whole kickstarter concept. And while this is really more of a pre-order situation, Hasbro does seem to be invoking the spirit of the crowdfunding model in their efforts to promote this project. The one point of hope is that there's usually a surge in backers towards the end of the campaign. But the last time I checked, we hadn't reached 2000 backers yet, and the growth rate in backers seem to be slowing.
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The Sail Barge is sitting at 1,999... cracking 2k any time now.
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I believe it's been over for a while now. It's gettin there.
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I think they have to assign a deadline to these things or those on the fence/waiting will just keep putting it off. That said, it's not unusual for the deadline to get extended if they're close. The Sectaurs kickstarter ($40k) was set for just a month. It's past the $40k milestone, but they recently added a troopbuilder and extended another month.
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...that they've denied themselves that flexibility. The only way I could see them making it even if it hasn't hit its numbers in the closing moments, is to simply order the remainder for themselves and sell them on HTS or something like that.
That's what I expect will happen if it doesn't get opened up to international soon.
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Everything I've read regarding international orders was that Hasbro would NOT open up orders for international buyers until the US market had gotten to the 5000 backer threshold.
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After a good showing yesterday, today seems to have been a bit of a dud.
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Barge Backer Update: 2095
Come on guys, buy this or no one will ever love you and your dog will die.
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Another dud of a day today so far..., and I'm guessing it'll be more of the same for the next few weeks. If this is happening, it's going to take a huge push at the end and maybe Hasbro buying some for themselves, I think.
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Where are the Russian bots when you need them???
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I literally LOL'd.
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Putin wanted a sandcrawler instead. Really pissed.
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Putin wanted a sandcrawler instead. Really pissed.
Hasbro is totally colluding. Fake Sandcrawler!
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Now available in Canada! (http://www.starwars.com/news/thank-the-maker-how-hasbros-haslab-is-bringing-jabbas-sail-barge-to-life)
"fans across the United States — and, StarWars.com can exclusively reveal, in Canada, too!"
Hasbro sent out a PR blurb as well - I sent back a question to ask how shipping to Canada affects the price, but haven't heard back yet.
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Excellent. I bet that's good for a few hundred more pre-orders.
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I was thinking about getting in on this. For those that have backed it, what was the final price Hasbro quoted you?
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I was thinking about getting in on this. For those that have backed it, what was the final price Hasbro quoted you?
It's $499 + tax. In my part of Chicagoland, sales tax is 10%, however they charged me 6.5% for a total of $531 and change. So YMMV on what tax you actually get charged
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For those that have backed it, what was the final price Hasbro quoted you?
It's $499 + tax. In my part of Chicagoland, sales tax is 10%, however they charged me 6.5% for a total of $531 and change. So YMMV on what tax you actually get charged
$535 and change for me in MN with the tax (7.125%).
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I was thinking about getting in on this. For those that have backed it, what was the final price Hasbro quoted you?
Mine was $531... I'm assuming they did the IL state sales tax of 6.5%, because the Chicago rate would have been higher.
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I was thinking about getting in on this. For those that have backed it, what was the final price Hasbro quoted you?
It's $499 + tax. In my part of Chicagoland, sales tax is 10%, however they charged me 6.5% for a total of $531 and change. So YMMV on what tax you actually get charged
Should have read all the replies first... I'm in the exact same boat. :)
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I'm dead serious in that I would sign up immediately if they implemented a payment plan option. Hopefully that comes next!
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Ok, $535 is less than I figured. Thanks guys! And yeah, I wish there was a payment plan, but I’ll probably just take the money out of savings. Well, some of it. The G.I. Joe Collectors Club offers a payment plan on their subscription figures, but those are made to order, not a crowdfund thing.
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I'm dead serious in that I would sign up immediately if they implemented a payment plan option. Hopefully that comes next!
Go visit Credit Karma (https://www.creditkarma.com/creditcards/explore/i/0-introductory-rate-credit-cards/). Very first option is 0% interest Chase Freedom card for 15 months.
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I'd rather not open a new credit card just for this though. Tryna be responsible in addition to supporting the cause!
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I'd rather not open a new credit card just for this though. Tryna be responsible in addition to supporting the cause!
I'm not a credit expert, but I would think a payment plan would work very similar to a new CC, so not sure why you're against one, but very much in support of the other. In fact, the new CC would likely increase your credit rating because you have more immediate credit available. Outside of not being able to control your spending habbits, I don't understand the difference for you.
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Barge Backer Update: 2337
We need about 84 new orders per day over the next month to hit 5k
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Well, I'm official. Took me long enough, but my order is in.
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I'm really getting more skeptical by the day... I know there's always a good surge at the end, but at this rate it'll be about 5 days before we hit the midpoint.
Opening it up to Canada is cool, but I wonder if the word got out... I also hope they could find a way to open it up to at least a couple more countries where there's a heavier collector presence... specifically England.
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I'm really getting more skeptical by the day... I know there's always a good surge at the end, but at this rate it'll be about 5 days before we hit the midpoint.
Funny, I'm in the exact opposite camp. I think they'll get to 4k easily and that's probably close enough for them to find a way to make it work. Open it up to more markets, extend the deadline, toss in an exclusive figure or two to up the pledges and we're set. I know they said 5k, but I honestly think this would have to stall around 3,500 or less for them to nix it.
Just doing some quick math on it: Let's say they can sell 3500 of these at $500 each. That's $1.75mm. I don't know what their normal profit margin is, but direct to customer means they get all of their usual margin plus whatever the retailer would typically take. Go low and assume 30% Hasbro and 30% retail. A 60% margin on just 3500 units is over a million dollars in profit. I've seen big companies make dumb decisions, but you'd think that would be tough to walk away from.
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I'm really getting more skeptical by the day... I know there's always a good surge at the end, but at this rate it'll be about 5 days before we hit the midpoint.
OK, let's say that it takes 5 more days to hit 50%. That's day 22... of 45. Isn't that right on track? :P
Spike at the start, lag in the middle, spike at the end is how a lot of the crowdfunding things typically go. I'm choosing to stay optimistic. Maybe an etailer works out a deal to take a couple dozen. Maybe they find a legal loophole to open it up to Europe or Asia. Maybe those on the fence raise enough to join at the end run.
Four weeks left is still a lot of time. I'll give it another two weeks before I let my dreams be dashed.
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I'm not gonna cry if it doesn't get funded. I say again I'd be no worse off than I was before NYTF. But I will also say it'd not shock me if it doesn't get funded either. It'd be fun if I knew I was the fund that put it over the top hehe.
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Okay okay, fine.
I know the crowd funding thing generally works on a reversed bell curve of sorts, I just expected it to be further along than it is. Hopefully the surge at the end is equal to the one at the beginning and it's no big deal.
The one thing I'm pretty sure of though, and I've said it a few times, is that with the way they worded the TOS that we all agreed to, I doubt their legal department would let them extend it, or make it if it doesn't hit 5K - simply because some pot-stirrer would be able to throw a fit about how the agreement said it wouldn't happen unless certain conditions were met, and if someone wanted to be a real baby about it, they could start threatening to sue.
I'm not saying it would happen, I'm not saying Hasbro wouldn't love to make it anyway, but I've 'worked with' their legal team on commercials, and I've worked with lots of other company legal departments, they're paid to be the ultimate sticklers for stuff like that and they don't make exceptions when it comes to legal language.
That said, tossing in exclusive figures / sweetening the deal... opening it up to other countries, 'buying' a certain number themselves to put on HTS... I think those would all fly because they would simply be ways for it to hit the goal in the agreed to time frame.
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I don't expect it to be extended/sweetened, but then I didn't expect them to make a barge. If they open it to Europe, it will fund. I think it probably will - I know a few people waiting - but this week will be a real indicator of sustainability.
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If anyone else is ebaying your way to the barge, try buying shipping boxes through Amazon.
I have found that boxes measuring 9”x 6”x 4” ship a majority of toys and the weight is so low you can ship first class and beat out other sellers on shipping costs. Plus these rates are even better than bulk box warehouses and there is free shipping.
9”x 6”x 4” boxes
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KU2IIW4/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Not bad! I had been using some boxes from Staples. They were $0.59 each, and 12" x 6" x 6". The last batch I bought was 10 pieces. But that's definitely a better deal!
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I recycle boxes I get from stuff I order on eBay, so it's like a perpetual self sustaining ecosystem. :) The size on those Amazon boxes is pretty ideal though.
I still think it would help to get the word out a little more, celebrity geeks like Seth Green should be talking this up non-stop.
Does JediMAC even know about this???
:D
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I recycle boxes I get from stuff I order on eBay, so it's like a perpetual self sustaining ecosystem. :) The size on those Amazon boxes is pretty ideal though.
I recycle a lot of my Amazon boxes, too. But my current stock of boxes that are appropriately sized for shipping a single figure is way down. And with eBay buyers who watch the shipping costs like hawks? I try to keep those costs down so that I can ship USPS First Class and keep the weight under 1 lb. That's what makes these particular boxes an attractive option.
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I have a feeling this barge isn't going to fly. It just shows that there aren't very many collectors or even star wars scalpers out there to make this thing a reality. If Hasbro didn't screw up store distribution there might be people around that would buy this thing. Just look at the hits for this web site. We are very few in numbers these days. Stuff sits on store shelves and we never see new waves at retail. I don't think there is enough of us left to buy this thing at $500. Besides where would I put it?
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Besides where would I put it?
I think that's probably a key factor in 'where is everyone?' Myself, I have nowhere for it. I can't really afford it, or at least afford it and afford to do other things are really more important. We've all been at this a long time, and there's a lot of real estate both physically and mentally that is occupied by a lifetime of collecting. How much more? Adam Pawlus talks about sometimes wanting the line to take a break. I say it sometimes, and I never do, though when people ask me what I want most from these toys, that's it. I want a break. I want to go away and come back fresh and excited, or maybe just enjoy what I have. There are multiple stresses on the hobby that are producing this moment of shrinking retail, websites, interest and we're all squeezed in the middle.
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Besides where would I put it?
I think that's probably a key factor in 'where is everyone?' Myself, I have nowhere for it. I can't really afford it, or at least afford it and afford to do other things are really more important. We've all been at this a long time, and there's a lot of real estate both physically and mentally that is occupied by a lifetime of collecting. How much more? Adam Pawlus talks about sometimes wanting the line to take a break. I say it sometimes, and I never do, though when people ask me what I want most from these toys, that's it. I want a break. I want to go away and come back fresh and excited, or maybe just enjoy what I have. There are multiple stresses on the hobby that are producing this moment of shrinking retail, websites, interest and we're all squeezed in the middle.
I do agree that it's expensive and space consuming... but in my mind I'd rather have an amazing ROTJ Sail Barge than Kylo Ren's starfighter, a U-Wing, an MTT, and a pile of other odds and ends vehicles that I've amassed over the years.
Basically, I'll get rid of other things to fit this sumbitch in, and those things that I sell if I do sell can help pay for it too, because this is one of the last key, iconic pieces of the original trilogy that's never been made.
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Besides where would I put it?
I think that's probably a key factor in 'where is everyone?' Myself, I have nowhere for it.
I do agree that it's expensive and space consuming... but in my mind I'd rather have an amazing ROTJ Sail Barge than Kylo Ren's starfighter, a U-Wing, an MTT, and a pile of other odds and ends vehicles that I've amassed over the years.
Basically, I'll get rid of other things to fit this sumbitch in, and those things that I sell if I do sell can help pay for it too, because this is one of the last key, iconic pieces of the original trilogy that's never been made.
Same as Rob for me. I will find a way to create a display for something as iconic as the Sail Barge, even if I have to sell off some other stuff to make the room. Jabba's Sail barge is more desirable to me than a lot of the Clone Wars cartoon ships or Jedi Skittle-color starships.
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Adam Pawlus talks about sometimes wanting the line to take a break. I say it sometimes, and I never do, though when people ask me what I want most from these toys, that's it. I want a break. I want to go away and come back fresh and excited, or maybe just enjoy what I have. There are multiple stresses on the hobby that are producing this moment of shrinking retail, websites, interest and we're all squeezed in the middle.
Well said, and I totally get that. I "retired" from collecting 10 years ago (when I felt the same way) by writing out a master list of all the Star Wars figures I would ever want, and trying real hard to stick to it. There's maybe a dozen left to be made (or not) and I evaluate resculpts to buy when and if I see them in the store. With the sequel trilogy/spinoffs, I have been setting a cap at the "12 essential" characters from each, though I haven't really gotten off my butt to figure out who those would be for TLJ yet.
I have been really happy with my collection as a closed-ended thing, I do not regret the Master List at all, and it has given me long breaks from "looking for stuff" over the past few years.
Still haven't decided if I want a Sail Barge for the long haul...
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Things got much more manageable for me when I decided to only display (and buy) SA original trilogy stuff. I still have my prequel stuff, but it's all packed away, and I've been slowly giving it to my kids to play with.
That said, the sail barge is OT, so it fits right in for me.
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I was talking with a buddy of mine and while $500 isn’t cheap, I agree with him that it’s also not that expensive either. I mean it’s expensive for a toy... but not for a lot of other things really. I’m kinda shocked how many are NOT backing it due to cost. Of course everyone’s financial situation is different too. But I mean if you’re see in this hobby to begin with I figure $500 isn’t that bad but who knows. I just see a lot of people saying how they want it but how Hasbro is somehow just screwing them over on the price.
Now don’t get me wrong if you can’t afford it you can’t afford it but Hasbro isn’t screwing anyone here. I mean that’s like saying the car you want is out of your budget so Audi is just a bunch of pricks. We couldn’t afford a new Wrangler this past year but I didn’t suddenly get mad at Jeep... we got a Renegade instead till finances clear up. 🤷♂️
Like Jeff said on space issues... this is a lot cooler than the Turbo Tank, MTT, Shuttle, Jedi fighters out the yingyang... I can make space if it’s cool enough. I retire stuff all the time in this hobby. Nature of the beast since I can’t add on to the house for it all.
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Oh, yeah, I'd be clearing the decks for this one. I have been downsizing, dramatically. I just don't have the space for this. I could afford it, but it's a bad time because I'm spending that money on something else that's a higher priority. I personally don't think it's that outrageous in price, when you put it into perspective of everything else we buy. To me, it's essentially a shelf - you can go to IKEA and spend $200-300 on something very nice, or buy this and have something cooler.
We'll see. If I sell a book between now and the deadline, I'll pounce. :)
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I was talking with a buddy of mine and while $500 isn’t cheap, I agree with him that it’s also not that expensive either. I mean it’s expensive for a toy... but not for a lot of other things really. I’m kinda shocked how many are NOT backing it due to cost. Of course everyone’s financial situation is different too. But I mean if you’re see in this hobby to begin with I figure $500 isn’t that bad but who knows. I just see a lot of people saying how they want it but how Hasbro is somehow just screwing them over on the price.
Two points on that... one, I think that a lot of the people who are freaking out about the $500 price tag on this just have sticker shock. $500 is a lot, but at $13 and tax it's only about 35 SA figures. Considering the size and scale and detail on this thing, that doesn't seem excessive at all.
Two, that price includes shipping, surely it's going to cost Hasbro $50 or more per to ship.
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Things got much more manageable for me when I decided to only display (and buy) SA original trilogy stuff. I still have my prequel stuff, but it's all packed away, and I've been slowly giving it to my kids to play with.
That said, the sail barge is OT, so it fits right in for me.
This is similar to what I've been doing as well. I do still have some prequel (and sequel/spinoff) figures displayed, but the ships have been packed away and I think some will be getting sold off. I just sold off some big lots of PT figures lately as well, but have kept the main/supporting characters and a handful of troopers. It has been a long time coming, but just the concept of possibly having this barge has kind of forced the thinning the herd concept. I just don't have room for all this stuff, with no end in sight, so it is time to decide what's most important collecting-wise.
I honestly think that this barge is worth the $500 price tag, but there is a bit of sticker shock just at once. I resolved to try and only spend on new stuff what I make off of sales from old stuff. If I can get to a point where I have a cushion for anything else I want for the rest of the year (above the barge), then I'm in as well. Going through things makes you realize how weak many of the vehicles have been the past few years. If we keep seeing more OT goodness like this, it is very exciting.
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Yeah I guess maybe I rationalize my toys differently. I don’t have a lot but I didn’t **** my pants and throw a tantrum over he price either. I’ve looked around at some comments elsewhere though and there are clearly either people whose wives aren’t letting them buy it and they’re taking that out on Hasbro, or they are in a financial place where this isn’t a good idea and they’re again taking this out on Hasbro.
There are many people simply saying “wow that’s cool but too rich for my blood” and I respect that. But I see a lot of people saying Hasbro just “is in it for the money” (no ****? ::)), and are screwing collectors, and this should be done without funding through Haslab... these are the problem people in this hobby to me. The constan complainers about quality but the same ones who bitch about the price of better toys. No winning there for Hasbro.
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Yeah I don't think the price is out of line, really what did we expect after the $300 AT-ACT, etc.? I kind of wonder if it gives any idea at all of what the actual "collector base" is these days. We are clearly more divided than we have ever been, but in some ways it seems like the landscape is changing. I really don't know how many "new" collectors they are gaining with kiddos and the new movies. I know my daughter and her friends (boys and girls), have really enjoyed all the new movies, but seem to care less about the toys outside of LEGOs (well, my daughter does, probably because of me, but spends more time with LEGO.)
I sometimes feel like our group here is becoming more of the "old guard", still caring primarily about the OT, where there are also segments of fans who grew up with the PT or maybe Clone Wars was their first experience, or even Rebels. Now we have the Disney generation as well. It is all great, just more segmented than it has ever been.
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Half way point today.
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I've been noticing random surges in orders. I check in a few times a day, sometimes it'll tick up 3 or 4, yesterday I noticed a surge of about 40 or more over the course of a few hours. I am worried, though. Seems like we'll be lucky to get to 4K. Hope I'm wrong.
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Perhaps the surge is due to a push of advertising on social media? I’ve seen a lot on this the past few days.
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I've been noticing random surges in orders. I check in a few times a day, sometimes it'll tick up 3 or 4, yesterday I noticed a surge of about 40 or more over the course of a few hours. I am worried, though. Seems like we'll be lucky to get to 4K. Hope I'm wrong.
You're not wrong. At the current pace, we won't even make 4000 by the 3rd of April.
The number of backers per day has been steadily on a decline. Two weeks ago a sustained run-rate of 80 backers per day was needed to meeting the goal. Now the number is approaching 106 backers a day needed. The reality is between 50 and 60 backers per day. The numbers just aren't there.
It's a shame, it really is.
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I expect to see a surge in the last week or so.
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Heck, I'll show you one now...
(https://www.publix.com/images/products/315000/315520-600x600-A.jpg)
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You can check out a PDF preview of six pages from the behind-the-scenes book by clicking here (https://www.jedidefender.com/hosted/hasbro_haslab_sailbarge_bookpreview.pdf).
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Barge Backer Update: 2595
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Half way point today.
Three and a half days later and we’ve only god 120 more. It’s going to take one hell of a last minute surge for this to make.
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Half way point today.
Three and a half days later and we’ve only god 120 more. It’s going to take one hell of a last minute surge for this to make.
I found this interesting article - https://www.funded.today/blog/the-myth-of-the-kickstarter-spike-at-the-end
From the article:
So what’s the difference between Kickstarters that spike at the end, and those that don’t?
It’s the marketing behind the project.
If a project has an effective marketing plan, you’ll see a spike in pledges.
The pledge rate needed to make the 5000 by April 3rd is now up to around 118 backers/day.
We're not even getting 50 at this point.
Unless there is going to be a "Hail Mary" at the end where Hasbro runs a marketing blitz above and beyond what they've already done or they open the project up to major markets such as UK, Australia, Japan, Germany, France, etc... it is seriously starting to look like the barge isn't going to get made. >:(
The ONLY other chance this has is if Amazon wants to take the gamble on 500 - 1000 units and offer them exclusively through their non-US/Canada portals. But that is very unlikely. Unfortunately, the only retailer that would have gambled on a piece like this is going to be starting court proceedings this week to liquidate their entire business (http://"https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/toys-r-us-is-preparing-to-file-its-liquidation-plan-with-the-court.html").
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Unless there is going to be a "Hail Mary" at the end where Hasbro runs a marketing blitz above and beyond what they've already done or they open the project up to major markets such as UK, Australia, Japan, Germany, France, etc... it is seriously starting to look like the barge isn't going to get made.
I have seen a few sites post the conspiracy theory that Hasbro would have never started this project if there was a chance it was going to fail. Many folks seem convinced that Hasbro has a 'hail mary' or a 'white knight' plan in their pocket (secret agreement with a retailer, self-purchase for HTS, self-purchase for OUS Hasbro distribution, etc) that will step in at the last minute and magically get us to the 5000 threshold.
They say any publicity is good, but does Hasbro really want to kick off HasLab with a failure? Which leads us to the other conspiracy theory out there - would Hasbro print and prepare 5000+ books to be shipped out in the days after the pre-order closes if they thought there was a chance it was going to fail? What are they going to do with all those books if it fails? Pulp them? Keep them in RI in case they try the barge again? (Do they even really have the books already printed?)
I'm still hoping we'll get enough support for this thing, but yeah, it's not looking very likely if things continue on the current path... :-\
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Knocking out roughly 5000 should be relatively easy with today's printing tech. The books should/will be printed digitally (not traditional 4 color plates on a full printing press). The quality difference is negligible and most MFP printers with that capability have fold, stitch and trim inline.
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I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories or expectations right now. With TRU collapsing there is no prospect of this at retail. HTS? Amazon? Maybe. I highly doubt it. Hasbro is taking a risk by allowing it to fail, but they put the onus on collectors. They gave us something we have been asking for - far too late, probably - and said if you're there, we're there. Collectors aren't there. At least so far. I hope it gets made for the folks that want it.
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I love how some are wanting more incentives like exclusive figures for the money they are paying... something only available to Barge buyers. I mean, it’s not like you’re getting a book, Jabba, or an exclusive dead Ithorian included in the purchase. It sounds like they want something new (like never before produced high demand barge/Skiff Guards that are only available through the sail barge to flaunt that they’re true collectors.
I’d think that would do more harm for Hasbro to go that route with backlash from fans that cannot afford the barge.
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They say any publicity is good, but does Hasbro really want to kick off HasLab with a failure? Which leads us to the other conspiracy theory out there - would Hasbro print and prepare 5000+ books to be shipped out in the days after the pre-order closes if they thought there was a chance it was going to fail?
This is why I still think the HTS conspiracy theory is the only one that is plausible. The legal language in the TOS wouldn't prohibit them from buying some for themselves, and I can't see them going this big with the very first HasLab run for it to have ever had a real chance at failure.
Also beyond the booklet, they clearly have a lot of time and energy invested in modeling the barge, printing up a prototype... building a website, doing press for it...
I just can't see them letting it fail unless it failed so hard that they couldn't push it over the finish line.
I don't see how it gets to 5,000 without a pretty solid surge though, and if there is one, we might never know if it was all regular schmoes like us, or if Hasbro 'bought' some on their own to make it happen.
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I kinda agree with Jeff. Hasbro likely has some contingency plans set up so that this won't be a miserable failure.
I would add that Hasbro's magic 5000 number isn't legally binding in any way. This is just the target they've set that meets their supposed internal requirements. They have complete control over saying that if we reach 4200 that it is good enough. The only challenge they run in to is that it might hamper future kickstarter type things where people don't feel like they need to throw their money in the pot because Hasbro will lower the number.
They could also choose to not be fully transparent on this either. For example they could juice the numbers to reach 5000 and then after the fact say "we had some returns, etc. and have a few extras available" if people want to purchase them after the close of the kickstarter. They don't have to tell us that "a few" = 800. Or they could just fake the numbers to 5000 but only make 4200. Either way I don't really care as I'll get a Sail Barge for $500.
It may temper their enthusiasm for future projects, but hopefully they went in to this with a willingness to learn and explore the boundaries of this new channel.
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I would add that Hasbro's magic 5000 number isn't legally binding in any way.
I disagree there. They could very easily make them anyway and have everyone re-purchase them, but all the existing pre-orders would be out the window, because the TOS when we ordered them said that we wouldn't be charged until they hit 5,000 units sold. So if they only sell 4,999 and then charge everyone anyway, they've violated a contract and if one obnoxious collector wants to prove a point or make a stink, they can very easily do so.
And I mentioned this before, but having worked with Hasbro's legal department on commercials (and with all kinds of other company legal departments on other commercials) I can't imagine a scenario where they'd be allowed to charge people's cards if they don't get to 5,000 - it's why I still think that the only viable loophole is if Hasbro bought the remainder themselves to resell later.
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I think it’s just semantics. Hasbro could sell a bulk amount to a different legal entity like hasbrotoyshop.com or some temporary holding company and not be in breach of their terms.
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I think it’s just semantics. Hasbro could sell a bulk amount to a different legal entity like hasbrotoyshop.com or some temporary holding company and not be in breach of their terms.
Right, that's exactly what I suggested. But I don't think they can just NOT have a deal in place that handles that legality without having a problem.
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I love how some are wanting more incentives like exclusive figures for the money they are paying... something only available to Barge buyers. I mean, it’s not like you’re getting a book, Jabba, or an exclusive dead Ithorian included in the purchase. It sounds like they want something new (like never before produced high demand barge/Skiff Guards that are only available through the sail barge to flaunt that they’re true collectors.
I’d think that would do more harm for Hasbro to go that route with backlash from fans that cannot afford the barge.
I personally would love for them to include a few figures with the barge, but I hear you. If you're not willing to fork over $500 for a barge, is an added $10-15 figure really enough to push hundreds of people to change their mind?
Personally I think they should have set a dollar target instead of a quantity of barges. They're looking for $2.5 million to make these things, so just be transparent about it. Then they'd have the option to add on incentives like other Kickstarter-like offerings. Not getting the numbers you wanted for the barge? Offer up an exclusive figure for an additional cost, only available for those purchasing the barge. You get some new people committing to all the offerings and added funding from the thousands that already signed up. It's a simple way to get you to your target.
Take the Sectaurs Kickstarter for example. They set an initial offering of two figures and a target of $40k. The funding was off where they needed, so they added two more figures at the same $40k goal. That caused a surge, but still not enough. So they added troop builder figures and bumped the goal to $50k. That was enough to blow away the target and ideally they're still making profit on not just the initial figures, but everything that came after it.
Barge Backer Update: 2636
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I've been thinking the whole time somehow that if they get in the 4k range, they would fenangle the numbers to get to 5000... it's not like Hasbro has been all that transparent in the past, so I would not expect them to be with all of these details either.
I think in the big picture Hasbro, Disney, and the Star Wars brand in general benefit a lot more from them playing with the numbers to make this happen rather than a possible negative press blitz that may push a message that promotes "Star Wars toy flop" as click bait... news of it NOT getting the support could end up with more headlines than headlines of it getting made.
As for adding figures to it, I think a pair of TVC Gamorreans would have been a nice add... a figure everyone loves, and could use more of. The pig from hell should be released every year or two anyway. He's one of the few 5poa ones that I'd actually be interested in too. The old vintage Gammy was easily one of my most cherished figures as a kid.
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According to JTA, Dark Side Toys is about to open up Sail Barge ordering to a whole pile of countries:
United Kingdom 🇬🇧
Germany 🇩🇪
France 🇫🇷
Netherlands 🇳🇱
Belgium 🇧🇪
Luxembourg 🇱🇺
Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪
Austria 🇦🇹
Denmark 🇩🇰
Italy 🇮🇹
Czech Republic 🇨🇿
Spain 🇪🇸
Slovakia 🇸🇰
Finland 🇫🇮
Portugal 🇵🇹
Sweden 🇸🇪
Poland 🇵🇱
Estonia 🇪🇪
Hungary 🇭🇺
Slovenia 🇸🇮
Croatia 🇭🇷
Latvia 🇱🇻
Greece 🇬🇷
Romania 🇷🇴
Bulgaria 🇧🇬
Lithuania 🇱🇹
If that's true, there's probably a surge incoming...
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Well, after their "EXCLUSIVE" images of Mark Boudreaux holding a box, it MUST be true!!!
::)
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Is it me. or did the total go down from 2671 to 2658 sometime overnight? Up to 2668 now, but I could swear there was a negative adjustment.
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Is it me. or did the total go down from 2671 to 2658 sometime overnight?
A drop in numbers has been happening once or twice a week the past two weeks - Hasbro says it's some combo of people cancelling and/or credit card declines or other payment issues.
According to JTA, Dark Side Toys is about to open up Sail Barge ordering to a whole pile of countries:
[snip]
If that's true, there's probably a surge incoming...
We'll see... I hear that to cover the extra shipping and fees, they will be charging around 599GBP, which is around $835 each. Not sure how many folks are going to be able to swing that...
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We'll see... I hear that to cover the extra shipping and fees, they will be charging around 599GBP, which is around $835 each. Not sure how many folks are going to be able to swing that...
I routinely read people in the RS Gentle Giant forum who live in the UK talking about shipping costs and customs fees being equal to or sometimes higher than the cost of the statue / mini-bust. I'd have to imagine that a lot of people who collect Star Wars items from American companies have grown to expect lots of extra costs.
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Hmm. So much for that idea. Good opportunity for the folks who can swing it though.
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Well, after their "EXCLUSIVE" images of Mark Boudreaux holding a box, it MUST be true!!!
::)
LoLz
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Steve Evans of Hasbro shared the info about Dark Side Toys offering up the Sail Barge in Europe. Considering it's after midnight there right now? I think we're more likely to see a surge in orders tomorrow, once the word can get out. But if people in the U.S. had sticker shock, I can only imagine how European collectors will react to 599 UKP.
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They’ve been complaining incessantly about price on TVC since it was announced so yeah I expect actually a lot of implosion on this price and a refusal to buy.
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For this to have been a viable offering, Hasbro would have had to leverage their own European distribution channels to try and keep the mark-up minimal. But I think the European collectors were hoping/thinking it would be in the 360GBP and 405EUR range, not 599GBP which equates to $835USD - that's kind of insane.
There will be a blip from this offering, but not a significant one that would push this closer to catching up to the needed backers/day run-rate it currently needs - which is now up to 128 backers/day.
I see a lot of people over on JTA treating that picture of Mark Boudreaux holding up the outer shipping box along with the dimensions of the outer and inner boxes as gospel that Hasbro has a plan for this to succeed no matter what. I'm sure dimensions and weight of the shipping carton were VERY MUCH on the minds of team before HasLab was even launched because those two numbers are definitely part of consideration when it comes to shipping costs. Never mind the fact that it's March and the east coast has been blustery cold and there's good ole Mark smiling on a sunny day wearing a T-Shirt. :-X
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Well I mean I think it can happen and it will happen but at the same time I don’t tho k that box had **** to do with confirming or helping to confirm Hasbro really thinks this is a done deal... cuz of a box lol. But hey, whatever helps them keep on believing in themselves I guess.🤷♂️
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Unless I'm missing something, the Dark Side Toys link making the rounds takes you to a details page, but no ordering info. They need to add a link on that page, otherwise you have to search their site to find it... or, am I blind? I am getting old so maybe I'm just not seeing it.
On any note, use this link to order:
https://www.darksidetoys.co.uk/searc...t&q=sail+barge
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Just noticed they have the option for a "partial payment," with the full balance being due in Feb 2019...that's a pretty smart move, since the partial payment pretty much covers the cost up-front. I wonder if that will urge more people to pull the trigger?
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I mentioned to them that the partial payment said balance was due Feb 18 rather than 19. Also the direct link thing. They said they are going to update it.
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Well, kudos to Dark Side Toys for stepping in like this - there has definitely been a surge today.
I wonder how this is being done/accomplished. I would think it's most likely that they have a contact/business-partner in the US (or Canada) and each time someone orders the Sail Barge from their website, they have that individual place an order on HasLab - since the limit is on 5 per order and not on the number of orders, their business partner in North America could just keep doing that over and over again. HasLab will then just ship the bulk of them all to a single location and then Dark Side will just mass ship all of them from North America to the UK and then from there ship them around Europe. The "mark-up" is probably them knowing exactly how much tax/tariff there will be at each step in the process, so while I'm sure they're getting something for their trouble, I doubt it's much.
So definitely a win-win for them - if I lived in the UK, I would strongly be considering using them as my exclusive online retailer for all my Star Wars purchases.
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Barge Backer Update: 2767
Not much of a surge, especially given its the weekend. :-\
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Well the price for the UK market is like $800+ for this... my goodness
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Barge Backer Update: 2767
Not much of a surge, especially given its the weekend. :-\
Unfortunately no, and considering the mark-up, I'm not surprised.
We're now at a point where the required backer rate for the remaining time is 147.5 backers/day - three days ago it was 128 backers/day.
I thought for sure with the Dark Side Toys announcement we'd at least hit 3000 this weekend.
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All I know is that thread over at RS is an epic train wreck of idiocy. Like, Olympic level.
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All I know is that thread over at RS is an epic train wreck of idiocy. Like, Olympic level.
Between the people who are angry about it for any one of 10 terrible reasons, to the people who think they understand marketing better than Hasbro does... I don't know why I keep checking it.
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All I know is that thread over at RS is an epic train wreck of idiocy. Like, Olympic level.
Between the people who are angry about it for any one of 10 terrible reasons, to the people who think they understand marketing better than Hasbro does... I don't know why I keep checking it.
Even a dumpster fire can be fascinating...
for a while.
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Adam Pawlus has some good stuff (http://www.galactichunter.com/gh/story/qa-star-wars-sail-barge-sail-barge-sail-barge-and-toys-r-us-and-kb-too-now) on the Sail Barge, TRU, and KB this week.
Kind of interesting to think about the Sail Barge revenue in comparison to Hasbro's business operations. 5,000 Sail Barges is only $2.5 million in revenue, while Hasbro does $5.2 billion in sales a year. The Sail Barge is a rounding error of 0.05% of their revenue.
I sure hope it works, but its probably more about PR to make something this cool than it is about revenue.
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I thought his column was very insightful re: the Barge. There's almost no economic incentive to make the Barge, especially with the performance of large vehicles at retail in the last few years. So why do it? His theory on Hasbro doing it to 1) bid for the renewal of the license and 2) regain the interest of collectors who have not come back, even with the new films, sounds very plausible to me. Also, a DTC sales method in a collapsing retail environment makes a ton of sense, even if the Barge doesn't fund. It's an advertisement for the future, an Early Bird Kit for the 21st century. We may not get this exactly, but we're going to get some cool things.
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5,000 Sail Barges is only $2.5 million in revenue, while Hasbro does $5.2 billion in sales a year.
Don't you have to back the production costs out of the 2.5 mil and what remains is the revenue?
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No. What you described is gross margin.
Revenue is just top line sales numbers and doesn't speak to profitability. For all we know Hasbro is going to break even or even lose money in the process when you pull out all the production and overhead costs.
I think we're all assuming this is going to be margin positive and hit their internal hurdle rate, but it might be very different than when they work though their normal distribution channels.
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All good stuff to think about. To Dave's point, the $2.5 is gross sales, not net sales. Hasbro's $5.2B in revenue translated to about $400M in net income (about 8%). If you apply the same rough rate, their $2.5M in Barge sales would translate to just $200,000 of profit, which is essentially nothing for them. I earlier assumed that the margin on this would be higher than previous vehicle offerings, since Hasbro is avoiding the retailer margin hike, but it could easily be lower or even negative since they've never done anything like this. Either way, its probably small peanuts for profit, but likely worth the expense for the PR, goodwill, and learning that will come from a direct sale test like this.
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So the Barge passed 2800 backers today? Hmmm. It's going to be interesting to see if orders from Europe continue to ramp up through Dark Side Toys. It looks as though the pace has picked up.
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So the Barge passed 2800 backers today? Hmmm. It's going to be interesting to see if orders from Europe continue to ramp up through Dark Side Toys. It looks as though the pace has picked up.
Yes, there does seem to be an up-tick of sorts, but still not good enough.
As of my post, we're at 2828 backers and that leaves 2172 needed over a span of 14 days which is a daily average rate now of 155 backers/day.
Late on Saturday night, when I ran the same numbers for an earlier post it was at 147.5 backers/day - so we're still going in the wrong direction, just not as quickly as we were in the days leading up to the Dark Side Toys announcement.
I wonder if the throne/cushion piece that goes under Jabba can be removed from the barge - maybe we'll get lucky and at some point Hasbro will offer a Vintage-boxed Jabba the Hutt with barge throne/dais/cushion as an homage to the Kenner Jabba w/dais set from the 80s.
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Do we know if Dark Side Toys' orders are getting placed and being reflected real time on Hasbro's site, or are they going to do a bulk buy on the last day based on their total orders with a big uptick? I would be kind of surprised if it was real time.
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Do we know if Dark Side Toys' orders are getting placed and being reflected real time on Hasbro's site, or are they going to do a bulk buy on the last day based on their total orders with a big uptick? I would be kind of surprised if it was real time.
It's possible that they are. Hasbro did not officially come out and say that Dark Side Toys was authorized to sell the Sail Barge in the UK. So like I said in my earlier post, all Dark Side Toys could be doing is taking pre-orders on their website and then having someone who lives in the US or Canada, on their behalf, placing an order for a Sail Barge.
Then if the 5000 backers is reached, that individual would take receipt of all Sail Barges that Dark Side Toys took pre-orders for. That person would then pack them up (probably in a shipping crate) and have them shipped to the UK. The value would be declared for the total shipment and Dark Side would have to pay the duty tax/fee before taking receipt of the shipment. I'm sure they looked into what it would cost duty wise to have two Sail Barges shipped from the US to the UK. (I say two because I believe the rate of tax/fee changes if you cross either 500GBP or 600GBP in value)
So now you have for over-head: (1) the cost to ship the crate across the Atlantic; and (2) the duty charged to take receipt. Then Dark Side would be responsible for shipping them throughout the UK and to the rest of the EU (which thanks to changes coming due to Brexit probably have their own challenges).
Considering that they want $835 for each Sail Barge, that extra $335 can easily account for the additional fees, duty, taxes, shipping costs, etc... plus giving them a modest amount for their time & effort.
So, yeah, I think their orders are being reflected in near-real-time.
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Do we know if Dark Side Toys' orders are getting placed and being reflected real time on Hasbro's site, or are they going to do a bulk buy on the last day based on their total orders with a big uptick? I would be kind of surprised if it was real time.
So, yeah, I think their orders are being reflected in near-real-time.
I think it's real time as well. I didn't see an update for Monday, but as of Sunday (3/18), Dark Side Toys said they had sold 35 Barges (https://www.facebook.com/Darksidetoys/photos/a.261909181006898.1073741828.261904094340740/301471007050715/?type=3&theater). Not much of a 'surge' so far.
I've seen a lot of push-back on the dark side option - plenty of folks are having a hard time giving a start up toy etailer $835 in hopes of getting something a year from now. I guess some folks were complaining about the whole Brexit thing potentially affecting the delivery too since the shipment would be about the same time as Brexit.
Anyway you look at it, the OUS folks are not flooding Dark Side in the way some US folks were hoping... as sales have slowed to a crawl over the past week, my expectations have gone from 'really hoping this will still happen' to "damn, I really wanted this to work :-\".
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Anyway you look at it, the OUS folks are not flooding Dark Side in the way some US folks were hoping... as sales have slowed to a crawl over the past week, my expectations have gone from 'really hoping this will still happen' to "damn, I really wanted this to work :-\".
Ditto. I really wanted this to work too. If I didn't, I wouldn't have committed to two of them on Day One. This was a great opportunity for the collecting community to stand up and get a vehicle made that most of us never thought in a million years would ever get made.
The sad reality is that as a community, we just don't have the numbers to support something as big as this.
If this had been something like Vintage Carded releases of Janus Greejatus, Sim Aloo, Kren Blista-Vanee and maybe one or both of the other two advisors in the picture below:
(http://wiki.starwarsminute.com/images/1/17/ImperialAdvisors.png)
For let's say $80, I don't think Hasbro would have had any trouble getting enough backers for the endeavor. They could have just re-packaged the Greejatus and Blista-Vanee figures we already have and then made new sculpts for Sim Aloo and the other guys and then just mailed them out in a while mailer box.
OR they could have even had tiers - where like if you wanted to pay $100 you could have gotten them in a display box set similar to the Vintage Carbon Freezing playset to have as a nice display piece.
Something that regular retail channels would never pick up, but that collectors might get behind.
What about that funeral pyre Darth Vader they had on display a while back? That might have a shot.
My point is that I think there is definitely room in the collecting community for DTC offerings, and I REALLY hope that failing to meet the goal for the Sail Barge won't discourage Hasbro from trying other items in the future.
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New pics of the Barge painted, plus the reveal of an exclusive POTF carded Yak Face (with coin) to be included with the Barge purchase!
http://ew.com/movies/star-wars-jabba-sail-barge-toy-photos-hasbro/inside-jabbas-sail-barge (http://ew.com/movies/star-wars-jabba-sail-barge-toy-photos-hasbro/inside-jabbas-sail-barge)
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Well, that's an incentive if I ever saw one. I wonder if it will be enough to put it over the top.
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I'd been wondering why they didn't do a painted mock up to convince people of the awesomeness... glad to see this as part of the push. And while I'd normally be furious about an exclusive figure, I'm backing, so I'm not quite as upset. :-*
Do we know if the figure itself is exclusive, or just the POTF packaging? I hope they package it carefully.
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POTF Packaging is exclusive. Coin is exclusive. Yak Face will be released in the Vintage Collection on a ROTJ card.
I have to believe this was not the plan, but an added bonus to get them across the finish line. They are really trying to make this happen...
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Fine with me. I bet there will be carded collectors galore who will either a) buy the barge or b) be in the market for the figure... which might incentivize people to buy the barge knowing they can resell the figure to get some of the cost back.
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I didn't see an update for Monday, but as of Sunday (3/18), Dark Side Toys said they had sold 35 Barges (https://www.facebook.com/Darksidetoys/photos/a.261909181006898.1073741828.261904094340740/301471007050715/?type=3&theater). Not much of a 'surge' so far.
Up to 60 backers (http://=https://www.facebook.com/Darksidetoys/posts/302584316939384) at Dark Side now. Better, but not great.
Hope the POTF Yakface news and the look at the painted prototype helps get the procrastinators/slackers out there motivated to get their orders in...
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Sounds like Hasbro is trying to sweeten the pot with this Yakface offering. I wondering how many people this news might sway?
It also says something that this news got released via EW. They're really trying to push the campaign forward by publishing this news through such a big outlet.
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POTF Packaging is exclusive. Coin is exclusive. Yak Face will be released in the Vintage Collection on a ROTJ card.
I have to believe this was not the plan, but an added bonus to get them across the finish line. They are really trying to make this happen...
I'd love to hear more about this from anyone who might have an inside track on it. Even as a mock-up, this is a pretty short turnaround if they decided to add just because the numbers weren't strong. I think they would have had to have this in their back pocket as a back-up plan all along, and were just waiting to see if they need to add it as an incentive or not. We're 14 days out - not a coincidence to see an added incentive with exactly two weeks to go. Either way, super happy to have this piece of awesomeness added to the deal!
BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 2900
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The digital renderings for Yakface were revealed at Toy Fair, so the figure has been in development for a while. And they also said that Yakface was due in early 2019. This is just going to be alternate packaging plus the coin. And the barges aren't set to ship until next February. So there is some lead time for this particular deal sweetener.
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Wow, wow, wow! Words can't describe how great this looks.
I know price is the major factor, but it's very sobering to realize that it's looking like there are not 5000 fanatical enough fans out there to make this thing go.
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BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 2900
2917 an hour later. Seems that for the first time in awhile it's got some legs...
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It's about time we get a Yakface. It looks a lot better painted but it still comes down to where do I put it? Maybe I can build an arcade game coffee table with the barge built into it?
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Yak Face is awesome in that PoTF package. But unless you're literally on the fence I just can't see that being what gets $500 out of your wallet
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unless you're literally on the fence I just can't see that being what gets $500 out of your wallet
Well, if you are a completist TVC carded collector who is looking at paying $500 for POTF Yak Face on ebay in Spring 2019, you might as well just buy it now and get a free Barge with it. :P
Seriously, if the POTF carded version of Yak Face is only coming with the Barge and they only make 5000ish, that would make it possibly the rarest modern carded Star Wars figure ever. Rarer than the Toy Fair Vader or Theater Edition Jedi Luke or anything else. Couple that with the crazy ebay rates some of the modern TVC figures go for and it's probably (sadly) worth it to just order now if you need the figure for your complete TVC collection.
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Seems to be working... 2953 now.
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I hope you guys are right
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unless you're literally on the fence I just can't see that being what gets $500 out of your wallet
Well, if you are a completist TVC carded collector who is looking at paying $500 for POTF Yak Face on ebay in Spring 2019, you might as well just buy it now and get a free Barge with it. :P
Seriously, if the POTF carded version of Yak Face is only coming with the Barge and they only make 5000ish, that would make it possibly the rarest modern carded Star Wars figure ever. Rarer than the Toy Fair Vader or Theater Edition Jedi Luke or anything else. Couple that with the crazy ebay rates some of the modern TVC figures go for and it's probably (sadly) worth it to just order now if you need the figure for your complete TVC collection.
I'll be immediately selling my carded Yak Face to (re)fund my Sail Barge purchase! >:D
Cool pack in, and this may indeed get a bunch of people to buy this just for the figure.
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So, I have a theory that the totals on HasLab are not accurate.
I placed an order the first day and order number, today I ordered a second
order #314071XX* - 2/17/18
order #314131XX* - 3/21/18
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a difference of 5988
Haslab is currently sitting at 2984 barges "sold". Why the discrepancy?
*XX=redacted
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order #314071XX* - 2/17/18
order #314131XX* - 3/21/18
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a difference of 5988
Haslab is currently sitting at 2984 barges "sold". Why the discrepancy?
a) because the order numbers are not truly sequential
b) because of Hasbro shenanigans
c) a wizard did it? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ)
In other news, over 3000!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY139UZUMAAnaWv.jpg)
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Could be its a common back office order system that is incrementing order numbers for things other than just Sail Barges. Maybe internal employee orders for Monopoly...
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In other news, over 3000!
That's such old news, it's a 3,028 now.
After today I'm starting to think there's actually a chance again.
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Could be its a common back office order system that is incrementing order numbers for things other than just Sail Barges. Maybe internal employee orders for Monopoly...
Totally spit balling and I know nothing about this stuff, but maybe orders get a certain digit near the front based on geography?
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unless you're literally on the fence I just can't see that being what gets $500 out of your wallet
Well, if you are a completist TVC carded collector who is looking at paying $500 for POTF Yak Face on ebay in Spring 2019, you might as well just buy it now and get a free Barge with it. :P
Seriously, if the POTF carded version of Yak Face is only coming with the Barge and they only make 5000ish, that would make it possibly the rarest modern carded Star Wars figure ever. Rarer than the Toy Fair Vader or Theater Edition Jedi Luke or anything else. Couple that with the crazy ebay rates some of the modern TVC figures go for and it's probably (sadly) worth it to just order now if you need the figure for your complete TVC collection.
Given the incessant bitching that STILL hasn't ceased since the SDCC micro carded mouse droid and Salacious Crumb, I think it's definitely possible. Hell, people still bitch about that Jar Jar in Carbonite, and Jar Jar eats it.
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Apparently the POTF card is exclusive to the Sail Barge and the figure will be mass released on a Vintage ROTJ card
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Over 3100 as of right now. They're next SW offering should definitely involve a carded/boxed figure(s). >.>
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Over 3100 as of right now. They're next SW offering should definitely involve a carded/boxed figure(s). >.>
Agreed.
A big ticket item and a "break" the following year.
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Impressive how the backer pace has picked up as a result of this exclusive packaging Yak Face news.
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3,167 this morning. I guess people like Yakface!
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I think it is more the paint job than Yakface.
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And because no good deed goes unpunished, Dark Side Toys has apparently decided to capitalize on all this positive momentum by announcing they are no longer taking orders for this thing for the Euro backers. W T H? Nice timing, guys.
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I want that ship...not excuses.
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And because no good deed goes unpunished, Dark Side Toys has apparently decided to capitalize on all this positive momentum by announcing they are no longer taking orders for this thing for the Euro backers. W T H? Nice timing, guys.
Hasbro might have something to do with this announcement.
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order #314071XX* - 2/17/18
order #314131XX* - 3/21/18
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a difference of 5988
Haslab is currently sitting at 2984 barges "sold". Why the discrepancy?
a) because the order numbers are not truly sequential
b) because of Hasbro shenanigans
c) a wizard did it? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ)
That was my initial thought too... maybe even order something from HTS and see if the number sequence is related...?
On any note, I think Jayson might be onto something. Suppressing the total would add more orders I would think, because if it was already "officially backed", some people who ordered 2nd and 3rd barges might cancel those extra orders. And during the last few days, keeping the number "attainable" but not certain would likely encourage more last moment orders.
If Hasbro can make 7-8k of these things, I don't think they have to reveal the true quantity - all they have to do is say they hit the 5k mark and then some... I think.
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I'm holding off on ordering. At least until they crack the 4K mark.
The POTF carded Yakface looks pretty awesome though. And so does the painted sample. I think seeing a painted sample helped a lot of people realize how great this piece will be, along with seeing some figures posed on it.
The EW article definitely seems to have helped in terms of the number of backers that got added in the past day plus. Anthony Breznican has some reach in social media circles. The guy has close to 40K Twitter followers. Can we see another surge? I really hope so.
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I'm holding off on ordering. At least until they crack the 4K mark.
To each their own, but why? You won't get charged if it doesn't hit 5000 backers, so ordering now just adds to the momentum and sends the message to others that it's moving along. What's the reason to wait?
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It's mostly about not getting my hopes up too high.
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And because no good deed goes unpunished, Dark Side Toys has apparently decided to capitalize on all this positive momentum by announcing they are no longer taking orders for this thing for the Euro backers. W T H? Nice timing, guys.
Hasbro might have something to do with this announcement.
What Dark Side Toys are doing (or at least what their US partners are doing) technically violates the HasLab terms of service (https://www.hasbrolab.com/terms) - "You agree that you will not obtain, or arrange for the direct shipment of, our Products for export."
I wonder if it just took this long for Hasbro lawyers to act or if it's something else. I did see at least one Hasbro team member retract/delete social media comments they made about it.
It's going to put a sad spin on the last 24 hours if we suddenly lose those 100 orders... or maybe Jayson is right and it doesn't matter because we're secretly already over 5k? Wait and see, I guess...
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When this gets made, and I finally have it, I plan on installing a sound box somewhere that plays this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldMenApN_Kg).
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3,219 now. It's moving...hopefully we'll get there.
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I feel like if a Hasbro employee publicly endorsed it on his Instagram account, they should be cool about it, even if the Legal Dept yelled at him and made him take it down after the fact. :D
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Looks like it's a paypal dispute (https://www.facebook.com/Darksidetoys/posts/303126276885188) that has halted the Dark Side Toys pre-orders.
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Looks like it's a paypal dispute (https://www.facebook.com/Darksidetoys/posts/303126276885188) that has halted the Dark Side Toys pre-orders.
Wow - so it sounds like my theory is right - they are just taking preorders on their end, shunting the preorder initial payment to PayPal account and then making individual preorders on HasLab using a US or Canadian address for delivery.
It's a shame that people felt the need to try and sabotage what Dark Side Toys was doing.
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When this gets made, and I finally have it, I plan on installing a sound box somewhere that plays this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldMenApN_Kg).
You magnificent bastard!
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BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 2900
BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 3298
Now that's the surge I was hoping to see!
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Looks like it's a paypal dispute (https://www.facebook.com/Darksidetoys/posts/303126276885188) that has halted the Dark Side Toys pre-orders.
How could he possibly "know who they are" as he claims? And wtf does any of this have to do with eBay?
Seems even sketchier after reading that somehow.
I was bummed to see that Hasbro said they will never re-offer this thing again in any way shape or form if it fails to get backed this time. I get that they are trying to motivate people to commit but that almost seems spiteful.
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With TRU dead Hasbro shouldn't try to alienate their few customers left. I can see the whole star wars line becoming theme park only exclusives now that WDI and DCP are combined at Disney. They don't seem to notice that star wars really doesn't fly off the shelves anymore.
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3323 and climbing. This surge is definitely cause for some optimism.
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3,348 now. Go baby!
I think if they threw in that sweet sailbarge Nikto, that would be just the bump it needs.
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3,348 now. Go baby!
I think if they threw in that sweet sailbarge Nikto, that would be just the bump it needs.
3,397 just a little while later.
That's about 500 in a little over the last two days.
I'm believing again.
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3404 and still climbing. That's over 100 for today alone, and the day isn't over yet. If they can keep up a pace of 150 per day? That 5000 goal might just be in sight.
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3,489 3,506
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Looks like if the weekend goes well Nick is backing on Monday or Tuesday. :)
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Looks like if the weekend goes well Nick is backing on Monday or Tuesday. :)
You are correct sir!
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I’ve still not backed haha. I’ll get there. 🤷♂️
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BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 2900
BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 3298
Now that's the surge I was hoping to see!
BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 3527
That's over 600 new orders in 72 hours. Impressive. Most impressive.
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Do any of you recall if when the backing window closes, the opportunity to order does to? It would make sense for Hasbro to keep taking orders as long as they could logistically take them right?
Or is the number that it's at when the clock hits zero the total number that they're going to make?
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Do any of you recall if when the backing window closes, the opportunity to order does to? It would make sense for Hasbro to keep taking orders as long as they could logistically take them right?
Or is the number that it's at when the clock hits zero the total number that they're going to make?
"This campaign will move into production when it reaches its minimum backing goal of 5,000. We will stop taking backers at 11:59 EST on April 3, 2018 at which time your payment will be charged, if that backing goal has been reached."
I agree that they could still take orders for a period of time after the close to sneak a few more in, but I take this to mean that you will not be able to order one at Midnight April 4th. If someone was planning to order one last minute, they'd best get in before that time I think.
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What I was really getting at was whether or not they'd keep taking orders for a long time at the start of production. Like, if people kept wanting to order but hadn't yet, or suddenly got a raise and wanted to get sometime in May...
But it sounds like theoretically it's only for people who get in before the next ten days?
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I think in order for the kickstarter to have the sense of urgency they need, they can't be like "order whenever you feel like it!" But if they hit the 5,000 needed, I wouldn't be surprised if they still take orders. I mean, why not? Unless there's a concern that people would wise up with the next offering.
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3585 and counting. It's a good thing some of my stuff has been selling!
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3611... it really does seem to have some sustained momentum.
I wonder if the Hasbro algorithm that's in place to make sure it hits like 5,003 as the clock ticks down has finally kicked in. :)
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3611... it really does seem to have some sustained momentum.
I wonder if the Hasbro algorithm that's in place to make sure it hits like 5,003 as the clock ticks down has finally kicked in. :)
Whatever gets it across the finish line!
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I wonder if the Hasbro algorithm that's in place to make sure it hits like 5,003 as the clock ticks down has finally kicked in. :)
>.>
I wonder - I know I kind of shrugged off the conspiracy theories - but given some of the info others have found, could they be suppressing numbers to keep orders coming in? As in they're trickling out numbers per the algorithm.
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I wonder if the Hasbro algorithm that's in place to make sure it hits like 5,003 as the clock ticks down has finally kicked in. :)
>.>
I wonder - I know I kind of shrugged off the conspiracy theories - but given some of the info others have found, could they be suppressing numbers to keep orders coming in? As in they're trickling out numbers per the algorithm.
Or it could be the other way around. They may be artificially pumping up the numbers to make sure it hits 5000 and pull any fence sitters in, and then will keep the order window open a little longer so more orders come in to offset some of the fake orders.
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Yeah, what Dave said. I can't believe they would hold orders back. The smaller numbers are what's holding some people back from ordering. Plus someone would have caught it at some point when they placed an order and did not see the count increase.
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Yeah I feel like there's a lot more people who are not ordering because the number is low than people who will order because the number is increasing.
Also are there really people that will buy one just to get it over the 5000? Don't you want one or don't want one? I wouldn't buy one just to get the 5000 to happen.
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Makes sense.
I know a few folks waiting. I'm passing (regretfully) myself but I think there a fair number waiting for the end(ish).
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I still haven't decided what I'm going to do honestly. I was never really seriously considering it, but I actually do have space for the thing and I can swing the price, and as it gets closer I almost feel obligated to support it. I'm keen on once in a lifetime type opportunities like this, and I would love to see it succeed so we can finally get The Ghost down the road.
Probably going to be an impulsive last minute decision for me...
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(http://images.memes.com/meme/tile/1292242)
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I still haven't decided what I'm going to do honestly. I was never really seriously considering it, but I actually do have space for the thing and I can swing the price, and as it gets closer I almost feel obligated to support it. I'm keen on once in a lifetime type opportunities like this, and I would love to see it succeed so we can finally get The Ghost down the road.
Probably going to be an impulsive last minute decision for me...
If you order it, I think come Feb/March last year, you will be a lot happier having it than not having it.
As a collector and fan of anything playset/diorama/big vehicle related, I just can't imagine sitting idle and then next spring seeing everyone's pics who ordered it. I would definitely have a hard time! Of course my tastes aren't the same as everyone else's.
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After a really strong showing, we seem to be slowing down a bit today. We'll need ~165 per day to hit the threshold, so I hope Hasbro has some marketing dollars to spend...or another reveal.
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After a really strong showing, we seem to be slowing down a bit today. We'll need ~165 per day to hit the threshold, so I hope Hasbro has some marketing dollars to spend...or another reveal.
You beat me to it - I was just about to come here and post the same thing. Looks like the surge has ended. Dark Side toys had a limit of 30 that I guess they could swing, so they're out of the running. As of this post the current tally is - 3735 backers, 1265 backers still needed, 8 days left which means roughly 158 backers/day are needed to meet the goal.
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14 more, less than an hour after your post.
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I was just thinking... what if Hasbro announced that they would only take exactly 5,000 orders and not a a single one over that.
I bet people who are waiting for the last minute would race to get their orders in and this thing would make pretty quickly.
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I think you're onto something there, Rob. Fiendishly brilliant!
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I was just thinking... what if Hasbro announced that they would only take exactly 5,000 orders and not a a single one over that.
I bet people who are waiting for the last minute would race to get their orders in and this thing would make pretty quickly.
Why?
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Yeah I feel like there's an over estimation on how many people are just waiting until the last minute. I hope I'm wrong
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Why?
I think his point is that those waiting feel like they could still get their orders in at the 11th hour. Posting a finite amount might spur some of those people to order sooner, rather than risk not getting an order in if there is a surge to 5,000. I think that might work once we're North of 4500, but not sure that someone waiting will feel a lot of pressure with the orders still below 4k.
I wonder if there's any chance Hasbro comes back and says "Look, we really want to make this happen for people, so we're going to produce this thing even if it only gets to 4,000." It's not their desired goal, but getting 4k orders for a $500 item still has to be considered some kind of win, right? You'd think they would take the hit just to make this avenue available for future concepts. If it doesn't go through, I think you have that many more people who will be skeptical to sign up the next time.
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But will it change whether on 4/4 we will be at 5000 or not?
I think there are X people buying this. There may be a variance Y of people who look at it at 4900 and buy one as to not be left out but I think that number is small
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But will it change whether on 4/4 we will be at 5000 or not?
I personally don't think there are that many people holding out, but I don't have anything to back that up. As we near 4,000 and just a week left, I find it hard to believe there's 20% more people out there about to jump on it, but who knows. If I was an Amazon or someone with a lot of money sitting around, I would be tempted to snatch up some extras. I can only imagine what a MIB sealed version of the Khetanna would go for 10-20 years from now.
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Why?
It's not obvious?
Hell we've got at least two people in this very thread holding out who'd probably toss their hats in right away to make sure they don't get left out in the cold. I'd imagine a lot of people would feel the same way, which would lead to an immediate surge, which would lead to other people being convinced that it was going to make and they'd better not be left out either.
It would be like a snowball rolling down hill.
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I wonder if there's any chance Hasbro comes back and says "Look, we really want to make this happen for people, so we're going to produce this thing even if it only gets to 4,000."
You can stop wondering. I keep harping on this, but if their TOS said it only gets produced if it hits 5,000, then the only way it gets produced at 4,999 or less is if everyone buying re-agrees to an updated TOS. It's not impossible, but it would be a logistical headache to make that happen. Getting it to 5k 'buying' some for HTS is still the only viable way I've heard floated to make it happen - from a legal standpoint.
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But why are you so convinced there are so many "don't want to get left out" people? I still think all it would do is make the final total of people buying this be known sooner rather than later
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Yeah - without the shortfall being covered by a retailer (such as HTS, Amazon, Target, etc...) if there are only 4999 backers at midnight on April 4th, that's it, the item does not get made.
I do find it highly unlikely we will end up in a situation where there will be less than say 20-30 backers to go though. Anything less than that, I'm sure HTS can afford to step in, pick up the remaining units and bring 5-10 of them to events like SDCC or the next SWC and unload them pretty easily. And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there is a contingency plan in place if they do get that close. Better to do that and maybe even eat $5k - $10k worth of product vs. having it end up a failure with less than 20 backers to go.
The good thing about this is that it does show viability for the concept at this point - here's hoping that they already have a lower price-point item on deck.
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But why are you so convinced there are so many "don't want to get left out" people? I still think all it would do is make the final total of people buying this be known sooner rather than later
Basic human psychology. FOMO is strong... people on the fence would jump in.
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$500 is a lot of money......
I put 100 people because of FOMO. Of course I'm pulling that out of my butt. You're more optimistic than me
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I wonder if there's any chance Hasbro comes back and says "Look, we really want to make this happen for people, so we're going to produce this thing even if it only gets to 4,000."
You can stop wondering. I keep harping on this, but if their TOS said it only gets produced if it hits 5,000, then the only way it gets produced at 4,999 or less is if everyone buying re-agrees to an updated TOS. It's not impossible, but it would be a logistical headache to make that happen. Getting it to 5k 'buying' some for HTS is still the only viable way I've heard floated to make it happen - from a legal standpoint.
I think that'd be pretty simple to work around. An email notice with an updated agreement/option to back out would be enough to cover it. I have a hard time believing anyone would complain if they're going out of their way to make it happen.
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I think that'd be pretty simple to work around. An email notice with an updated agreement/option to back out would be enough to cover it. I have a hard time believing anyone would complain if they're going out of their way to make it happen.
That could be viable, but with 7 days left I'm not so sure. Usually that kind of thing is accompanied by a requirement that you actively accept the new terms to stay in the agreement. But I'm not 100% sure if they could just email everyone saying the deal has changed, cancel if you want.
And while you're absolutely right that it's unlikely anyone would complain, that's now how corporate legal departments operate. They assume people will complain, and complain with lawyers, and head off every possibility.
Also, 3 minutes of reading through that Rebelscum thread should tell you all you need to know about whether or not there are enough crazy idiots in this hobby to find a few who would make a stink just because they could.
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I'm with Rob on the legal side. Seems counter intuitive but I could put up a stink if I was told you'd only charge my card at 5000 and then do so at 4750.
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I could put up a stink if I was told you'd only charge my card at 5000 and then do so at 4750.
Yeah, this is the big point you guys are making. It's stupid, but it only takes one guy to make a stink about it (and like Rob said, the RS forums are full of potential "one guy" who would do it just for spite).
At this point, it sure looks like it's either NOT going to happen or it's going to happen because Hasbro/HTS wants it to happen and is willing to buy us up to 5000. In fact, those 1000 or so they have to buy internally to get us to 5000 could be the "limited amount" that are made available to the OUS folks.
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I have assumed all along if they got close they would have some "ringers" on hand ready to kick in whatever it takes to make up the difference. Either Hasbro employees themselves (like Stevie "instagram" Evans) or a cabal of high roller collectors like Sansweet, etc.
Just makes sense to have a "flex" contingency like this, otherwise it's a lot of time and energy wasted for nothing.
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I could put up a stink if I was told you'd only charge my card at 5000 and then do so at 4750.
Yeah, this is the big point you guys are making. It's stupid, but it only takes one guy to make a stink about it (and like Rob said, the RS forums are full of potential "one guy" who would do it just for spite).
At this point, it sure looks like it's either NOT going to happen or it's going to happen because Hasbro/HTS wants it to happen and is willing to buy us up to 5000. In fact, those 1000 or so they have to buy internally to get us to 5000 could be the "limited amount" that are made available to the OUS folks.
Agreed, but I bet we’re talking about less than 500 if it falls short. Hell, it'll probably be less than 1000 to go by this time tomorrow.
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I’m still not bought but will soon. :P
#TrollFace
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OK, just backed it... I figure I'm not dragging my feet till the very last second on it, I just was being lazy. Now that I've backed it, it's sure to fail. You're welcome.
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3,901
3,907
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3925
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Time for them to reveal the Vintage Packaging methinks...
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It does seem like they need one last promotional push to get through the 4000 threshold and hopefully bring it to the goal. The EW and USA Today pieces certainly helped. I wonder if they're going to try getting a push from the Official Site or maybe even the Star Wars Show?
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With six days left they should be firing on all cylinders.
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Ok, officially a backer now. I sold off enough other things to get to the level where I was comfortable committing to this. Can't wait. 3928 as of my order.
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I'm thinking that they will reveal another "bonus" like taking Kithaba (VC56), giving him a different paint op and packaging him on a POTF2 repro cardback w/coin as "Barada" - or even a Vintage Carded version of the Klaatu that's been in the unpainted prototype pics.
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I hope so. It's going to take a big push to get it over the top, and any freebies that aren't completely unique just help pay for the thing for those of us who don't collect carded.
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I'd love a plastic Sarlacc Pit to put in between the Sail Barge and the skiff that I'll end up displaying next to it.
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Not that he would make much of a difference, but I'm a little surprised Crumb hasn't been thrown in here. He's sort of part and parcel with Jabba, so... I figure a POTF Klattu w/ coin is in the offing, though he won't have the oomph of Yakface.
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Not that he would make much of a difference, but I'm a little surprised Crumb hasn't been thrown in here. He's sort of part and parcel with Jabba, so... I figure a POTF Klattu w/ coin is in the offing, though he won't have the oomph of Yakface.
I was thinking about that as an alternative - but I don't believe Klaatu was ever on a POTF cardback with a coin. Was he? Barada was, which is why I picked him. I'd be okay with either really - anything that gets it to 5000 is a good thing in my book.
The mini-Vintage carded Salacious Crumb would be a nice touch too.
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I don't believe Klatuu was. Think he was one of the mythic unproduced POTF cards. A TVC Crumb would be cool, or maybe a Slave Leia w/ Crumb, to make them both unique from previous versions.
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Klaatu in the skiff guard outfit was one of the few vintage figures that I never got. I had to look it up to get a little more information. It looks like the vintage version came out with a Sears exclusive Jabba’s dungeon playset and also on a ROTJ card. But POTF? Admittedly, I’m out of my depth when it comes to the original POTF line.
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Definitely was never a POTF version of Skiff Guard Klatuu. He came out w/ the Sears set in 83 and the ROTJ card in 84. So a POTF coin version here of the TVC figure would be highly unique.
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Okay, you win, I'm going to back it. I'm getting a $600 tax return, so yeah. The catch is I'll wait until the weekend when I've had many, many beers and can't second guess the decision.
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Nick, we're at 4,008. You backing it? ;)
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4,039...that’s like 75 in the last two hours.
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You'll note, as soon as I backed it, there's been a deluge. Now, clearly, it would be obscene for me to take credit for this surge, but I think we all know it was me finally backing it that has done this. You're welcome. I lead you to Valhalla!
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It's now over 4100 which is like 200 in the last 24 hours. I think this thing is getting made.
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Nick, we're at 4,008. You backing it? ;)
Who, me?
;)
#4121
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Niiiiiice. 8)
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When this gets made, and I finally have it, I plan on installing a sound box somewhere that plays this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldMenApN_Kg).
This post has me inspired to do something similar. So I checked my vintage ROTJ soundtrack CD copy that I've had since the 80's to see if that tune was on the soundtrack. It's always been a point of pride to have that copy since it's got "Lapti Nek" on it and not "Jedi Rocks". SURELY this version of the soundtrack has to have the sail barge music, but NOOOOO! I was shocked to learn that this piece of music that plays both in Jabba's throne room and on the sail barge has never been released on any soundtrack.
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You can get it from that link, if you use a downloader, but I think I grabbed it, so I can send it over to you. I'll check tonight.
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Thanks!
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This thing is flying now, without any new press or announcements that I noticed... almost 200 since I left work yesterday.
I'm thinking it makes with a day to spare.
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Hasbro's social media people have been directing some attention at high profile people in geek culture: Chris Hardwick, Nerdist, Jason Mewes, etc. It might get the ball rolling a bit more. Especially since Hasbro doesn't want to deal with the potential embarrassment of not hitting their goal.
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How many 3.75” Vintage Collection Klaatu figures can fit on Jabba’s Sail Barge?
(spoiler alert - it's 182 (https://twitter.com/HasbroNews/status/979395364552888321))
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Those all come with it, right? ;)
Seems like the pace is really picking up.
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800 and falling....
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Another Hasbro pr piece today - image that visually drives home just how big the HasLab Sail Barge will be... time for a HasLab GMF*?
(* Ginormous Millennium Falcon)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZeX1sPUQAALJD7.jpg)
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That's ******* awesome! ^
Only 750 more to go!
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BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 4258
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4283... every time I get back to my desk and refresh there's 10 to 15 more...
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I wonder if they contacted Rick Springfield. He's like almost Steve Sansweet levels of SW collector.
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4286 and it’s still moving! The momentum has really kicked into another gear once we passed 4000. I first checked around 6:30 ET this morning and the tally was around 4100. This has taken off in a big way today.
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Apparently it was all Jesse.
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4,300 coming up any minute...
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They have to be paying some guy in India to just log orders periodically...
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I just joined the club.
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Given the pace, 4400 is a possibility by EOD today. See, all it took was Jesse.
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They have to be paying some guy in India to just log orders periodically...
They can bend the laws of the universe for all I care...just take my $500 and give me a sail barge! ;D
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I just joined the club.
Who are you again?? ;)
Good to see you, Mike!
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Been lurking as of late....and I've always been more a fan of the OTC vehicles then the figures so have to support this...even though I have no room for it the box will look good in a corner somewhere.
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...even though I have no room for it the box will look good in a corner somewhere.
...said pretty much everyone who is buying this.
Good to hear you're still collecting Mike! Are you going to make a meeting one of these days too? I will bring old GI Joe stuff to sell if you'll make a public appearance... ;)
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4400 as of right now.
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Add 15 to that. It’s moving. God love ya if you bought two cuz your wife probably won’t when she sees them show up. :-\
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And add 24 to that... it almost seems fake how much it’s moving now, but I’m fine with it.
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Go Russia go!
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4477 as of 12:22, and I'm going to bed. Hope it blasts right through 5,000.
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it almost seems fake how much it’s moving now, but I’m fine with it.
Same here. God bless the shenanigans last minute buyers that are finally doing God's work and backing this thing.
Been lurking as of late....
Glad to see you're still out there, Mikey. Also glad you're on-board for this thing!
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Because I can't sleep (or breathe, or hear, or...) 4502 as of the moment. At this rate, it will reach goal Saturday night.
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It would be the greatest miracle this weekend has ever seen!
Oh wait, sorry bout that. 😬
It would be the 2nd greatest miracle this weekend had ever seen!
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Because I can't sleep (or breathe, or hear, or...) 4502 as of the moment. At this rate, it will reach goal Saturday night.
Weird. 2:01 and it is now at 4501...
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4551 as of 6:00 am ET
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Because I can't sleep (or breathe, or hear, or...) 4502 as of the moment. At this rate, it will reach goal Saturday night.
Weird. 2:01 and it is now at 4501...
Cancellations... it drops a couple once or twice a day pretty regularly.
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it almost seems fake how much it’s moving now, but I’m fine with it.
Same here. God bless the shenanigans last minute buyers that are finally doing God's work and backing this thing.
I mean... the idea that it would surge here near the end makes sense, but the idea that it doesn’t seem to slow to a crawl overnight is definitely weird...
If it keeps up this pace through the deadline it’ll finish over 6k.
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4628 and still going. That's some 77 since I posted at 6 AM. If today's pace holds steady we could hit 5K tonight.
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Good. Then I can stop checking the count every half hour. I'm starting to feel chained to this sail barge.
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Re: the overnight increases, I just want to go back to this:
I wonder - I know I kind of shrugged off the conspiracy theories - but given some of the info others have found, could they be suppressing numbers to keep orders coming in? As in they're trickling out numbers per the algorithm.
No idea if that would be the reason, but... the pace is such right now it could get very close to funding today. It will tomorrow, for sure.
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It’s tough to believe that it’s spiking this much. Hell, it jumped 60 more between when I posted last and when I got to work.
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The only problem with that hypothesis is that you have lunatics over at RS buying "3 more" just to get the numbers up (they must hate money), and reporting that the numbers went up. If they were suppressing numbers, those guys wouldn't see the count increase right after they ordered.
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The only problem with that hypothesis is that you have lunatics over at RS buying "3 more" just to get the numbers up (they must hate money), and reporting that the numbers went up. If they were suppressing numbers, those guys wouldn't see the count increase right after they ordered.
Seriously? I wonder how many of them plan on canceling the extras once it goes into production. Or do orders become non-refundable once it makes?
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Add 15 to that. It’s moving. God love ya if you bought two cuz your wife probably won’t when she sees them show up. :-\
I am considering ordering a second one on my secret credit card and having it shipped to my parents house.
If I do that, my plan is to get my first one opened at my house on one shelf, and have the box displayed on a different shelf.
Then when she is gone one day, I will sneak to my parents house and pick up the second one. From there, I will flatten the "opened box" and store it away. The second barge that is still boxed will then slide into place on the shelf.
She would have no idea. Yes at some point, I will get caught but I think it's a risk I'm willing to take.
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do orders become non-refundable once it makes?
You have 30 days to cancel - "If you need to cancel your order, you must do so by 11:59 PM EST on May 3rd, 2018 by contacting our Customer Service Center".
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Add 15 to that. It’s moving. God love ya if you bought two cuz your wife probably won’t when she sees them show up. :-\
I am considering ordering a second one on my secret credit card and having it shipped to my parents house.
If I do that, my plan is to get my first one opened at my house on one shelf, and have the box displayed on a different shelf.
Then when she is gone one day, I will sneak to my parents house and pick up the second one. From there, I will flatten the "opened box" and store it away. The second barge that is still boxed will then slide into place on the shelf.
She would have no idea. Yes at some point, I will get caught but I think it's a risk I'm willing to take.
I feel like this should be on a sitcom. ;D
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They're not suppressing orders. Can't believe we're still talking about this. If anything, they're inflating the numbers to get to the 5k mark ahead of schedule. I bet they'll take more than 5k orders and possibly orders beyond the cutoff as well because why not supplement some of the
fake last minute orders. Whatever they're doing, I'm glad it's going to make the milestone!
Barge Backer Tracker: 4672
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do orders become non-refundable once it makes?
You have 30 days to cancel - "If you need to cancel your order, you must do so by 11:59 PM EST on May 3rd, 2018 by contacting our Customer Service Center".
My thinking is they'll just throw that product into the international offering pile.
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Add 15 to that. It’s moving. God love ya if you bought two cuz your wife probably won’t when she sees them show up. :-\
I am considering ordering a second one on my secret credit card and having it shipped to my parents house.
If I do that, my plan is to get my first one opened at my house on one shelf, and have the box displayed on a different shelf.
Then when she is gone one day, I will sneak to my parents house and pick up the second one. From there, I will flatten the "opened box" and store it away. The second barge that is still boxed will then slide into place on the shelf.
She would have no idea. Yes at some point, I will get caught but I think it's a risk I'm willing to take.
I feel like this should be on a sitcom. ;D
...or an episode of "Criminal Minds"!
BTW, "Stan" over at the RS forums teased that Hasbro may include an additional sweetener once the Sail Barge hits 5000 orders. I just have to wonder...
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Conspiracy or not, it looks like today's the day. It's got 315 to go and is flying.
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Well, this prompts me to ask an important question. Is there any potential benefit to being among the first 5000 to back this thing? Is it possible after they hit the goal, Hasbro would say, "hey, to reward the people that jumped on board right away, we're throwing in these other cool extras..."
Because that makes me not want to wait much longer. I'm already getting antsy just thinking about it.
I'm still trying to convince myself I could one day break even just selling off all the extra swag. That makes it a lot more attractive to me knowing I could have an out if serious buyer's remorse sets in later.
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I wish there was a good resource to list WHO was on the sail barge. I've gone through the scene practically frame by frame, and I don't see Hermi Odle...yet Wookiepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hermi_Odle/Legends) claims he was there, apparently in a fight with Pote Snitkin (which is strange, since Snitkin was on the second skiff). I ******* hate so much of the EU.
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Well, this prompts me to ask an important question. Is there any potential benefit to being among the first 5000 to back this thing? Is it possible after they hit the goal, Hasbro would say, "hey, to reward the people that jumped on board right away, we're throwing in these other cool extras..."
Because that makes me not want to wait much longer. I'm already getting antsy just thinking about it.
I'm still trying to convince myself I could one day break even just selling off all the extra swag. That makes it a lot more attractive to me knowing I could have an out if serious buyer's remorse sets in later.
I paid $150 for the BMF and $100 for the BAT-AT almost 10 years ago (which was expensive at the time), and I've never regretted either of them for a minute. When a vehicle is well-made and detailed, they become statement pieces in your collection. You could probably make some money back by selling Yakface for sure, and probably not bat an eyelash, since you can still get him in different packaging.
I'm planning on keeping this Yakface carded (I hardly have any carded figures). I just hope we get the normal Yakface either before or when the barge comes out, so I don't get tempted to open the one that comes with the barge.
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I definitely think the "there's a reason to be in the first 5000" syndrome is setting in.
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I definitely think the "there's a reason to be in the first 5000" syndrome is setting in.
We'll know if it slows down at 5k... which should be in a few hours. Only 250 to go.
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4781. It almost seems like the pace is picking up!
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I hope they rerelease the Gammorean Guard.
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I'm still trying to convince myself I could one day break even just selling off all the extra swag. That makes it a lot more attractive to me knowing I could have an out if serious buyer's remorse sets in later.
$500 for the box, book, and a carded figure is a tough sell. You will be able to get a healthy discount, not your $500 I think.
I do think that they'll get the first 5,000 to everyone within a few months, but any orders past 5,000 will have a 2 year waiting period. Now go buy it!
;D :-X ;)
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4781. It almost seems like the pace is picking up!
Old news... it's 4,808... probably less than two hours to go now. I was thinking the surge would happen but it would cap out between 5k and 5500... now 6k to 7k seems more realistic unless it just stops when it hits 5k...
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Less than 200 now!
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(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/730195/84804000.png)
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Old news... it's 4,808... probably less than two hours to go now. I was thinking the surge would happen but it would cap out between 5k and 5500... now 6k to 7k seems more realistic unless it just stops when it hits 5k...
It will be hilarious if the orders immediately stop at 5,000 in the next few hours.
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6k to 7k seems more realistic unless it just stops when it hits 5k...
It will be hilarious if the orders immediately stop at 5,000 in the next few hours.
Based on the fact that the current Hasbro regime doesn't really like to officially comment on exact production numbers, I would not be surprised if the counter hits 5k and switches to some kind of "BACKED" logo so we never really know if it was 5k, 6k, 7k, etc that get made.
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Based on the fact that the current Hasbro regime doesn't really like to officially comment on exact production numbers, I would not be surprised if the counter hits 5k and switches to some kind of "BACKED" logo so we never really know if it was 5k, 6k, 7k, etc that get made.
Maybe, but if the order numbers are giving people a peek behind that curtain we could still get a decent guess.
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People with FOMO must be coming out in droves. Because a couple of refreshes on my browser screen within a minute or so saw the tally jump by at least 10. I think we could hit the goal within another hour or so.
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4,891 4,904
If this turns out to be hacked, I'm going to go full rancor.
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The last time I refreshed last night we were at 4075, now we're less than 50 away from meeting goal. No way.
There must have been a contract in place where a vendor agrees to pick up X once the backer count reaches Y, there's no way after limping along the whole campaign we get 800 backers overnight.
Edit - and we're done - 5037 backers as of this update.
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5031
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And that answers the question of what will happen once the site reaches 5000 - you can still back it and the number keep counting up.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm sure Hasbro will need to do a lil auditing of those orders before they officially announce success, but YES! So happy to see it pass 5000!
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Congrats to everyone getting a barge (or two). That's awesome and great for the future of the program. Only question now is how high it goes. I'll say 7500, given the pace.
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Wow. It flew past it... I really hope there’s
nothing ****y going on with the numbers, the pace since 4,000 seems way beyond what I expected.
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Holy ****!!!
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Since it will pass 5100 here in the next five minutes or so (!!!) the sky apparently is the limit. Crazy. Honestly still debating myself. I feel like being in the game since 77, I kind of need to do this, but... I have NOWHERE for it to go. Doesn't seem to be stopping anyone else though. >.>
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Wow. It flew past it... I really hope there’s
nothing ****y going on with the numbers, the pace since 4,000 seems way beyond what I expected.
Yeah - like someone ordered one but had the web browser developer tools open and figured out how to essentially hack the site and inflate the counter without actually placing an order just so they could make an April Fools joke out of the process/program.
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Since it will pass 5100 here in the next five minutes or so (!!!) the sky apparently is the limit. Crazy. Honestly still debating myself. I feel like being in the game since 77, I kind of need to do this, but... I have NOWHERE for it to go. Doesn't seem to be stopping anyone else though. >.>
Yeah I think a lot of people are in that boat.
Where the hell are we all going to put this thing? Well, there's almost a year to figure that out. I'm not sure yet how I will either; I'll probably part with some more stuff that doesn't matter so much to me.
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Can't figure out how to embed a tweet in this forum, but Hasbro is calling it.
https://twitter.com/HasbroNews/status/979777323858890755 (https://twitter.com/HasbroNews/status/979777323858890755)
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+1 on hoping that the numbers are legit. I thought it might have taken until tonight to hit 5k, and we blew right through that. It’s kind of crazy how the last 1000 backers just flooded in like they did.
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UGH - time to totally steer clear of JTA - not only is a certain someone going to feel like they can take 100% credit for making it happen, the sycophants are all going to be congratulating him for making it happen. ::)
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well, crap. :( :D
I guess they don't need my money now...sigh.
100% agree Pete, the gladhanding going on at that ***hole site is going to be insufferable.
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I guess they don't need my money now...sigh.
That's OK, you can use that money to buy all the animated Clone Wars clone troopers I'll be selling in the next few months to help pay for my barge... :P
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UGH - time to totally steer clear of JTA - not only is a certain someone going to feel like they can take 100% credit for making it happen, the sycophants are all going to be congratulating him for making it happen. ::)
Lmao I got a text saying pretty much exactly this from a buddy. Basically yeah, forget all the Entertainment Weekly stuff and national coverage... I’m honestly surprised it was as slow to back as it was. I watch Kickstarter campaigns and they fly by fast. This one was close. I thought the collecting community was a little more robust and that it would’ve backed faster.
I wonder now if people will back it more willingly and it’ll have a steady stream knowing it’s a done deal, or if there will be a drop off to the final day.
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Oh, Paul.
I guess he has to be responsible, because it was all our fault a week ago for it failing. Or something. I never know with that kid. He's really all over the shop. On everything. Ever.
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UGH - time to totally steer clear of JTA - not only is a certain someone going to feel like they can take 100% credit for making it happen, the sycophants are all going to be congratulating him for making it happen. ::)
It was all Jesse's mojo of finally committing that opened the floodgates and made this happen. ;D
Yeah, JTA... recently bashing MNs for some reason (Paul aimed that comment (joke or not) to this site or Yak).
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Man, that really flew by today. I thought we would get there by Monday but wow. So happy to see this happen.
Like others, I'm in the "where will this go?" camp, but I egos some ideas. Like I've mentioned before, this has really spurred on my 'what is really important in my collection' movement. I've been selling a lot of stuff off, and storing away more as well, just to clear space and make things a little less crowded. Anyways, awesome to see this happen, now the wait to get it begins.
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I guess they don't need my money now...sigh.
That's OK, you can use that money to buy all the animated Clone Wars clone troopers I'll be selling in the next few months to help pay for my barge... :P
PM me when you do! I don't know how much I'm looking to spend right now, but after skipping Clone Wars and collecting Rebels, I'm thinking about going back and doing the whole CW thing.
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It went up 300, on my lunch break. I was gone a little over an hour.
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I appreciated Paul thanking us for getting this made for him. Very generous everyone. ::)
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Don't you know it's all about him?
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I appreciated Paul thanking us for getting this made for him. Very generous everyone. ::)
Lmao
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UGH - time to totally steer clear of JTA - not only is a certain someone going to feel like they can take 100% credit for making it happen, the sycophants are all going to be congratulating him for making it happen. ::)
It was all Jesse's mojo of finally committing that opened the floodgates and made this happen. ;D
Thank you thank you. But I couldn’t have done it without myself, and so I want to take time out to thank me for my tireless work to wait and wait and wait to make my purchase so as to build a level of suspense of people behind me waiting to see what I would do before they finally would back their own barges. It was a lot of sacrifice, on my part and mine alone, and I know you all appreciate what I and I alone have done for the hobby... you’re welcome, as I have saved Star Wars.
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I wonder if they contacted Rick Springfield. He's like almost Steve Sansweet levels of SW collector.
Wow. Did a double take on the name. Sure enough, a youtube search confirms he's the same guy.
That is a serious collection.
And he's not just some rich dude blowing money on a passing interest. He acquired most of his figures when they first came out; rock star/actor arriving into town and then scouring the local Toys R Us.
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And he made my gfs song. Guys cool by me.
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And he made my gfs song. Guys cool by me.
Hells yes he did! And that Jesse made that Barge happen!
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And he made my gfs song. Guys cool by me.
Hells yes he did! And that Jesse made that Barge happen!
;D ;D ;D
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It’s still moving. Seems like about another 200 overnight and it’s sitting at almost 5,800. 3 days left.
Quite frankly as someone who doesn’t procrastinate often, I don’t understand all the waiting. Maybe if it’s indecision it makes sense... but I never imagined there would be that many people compared to the first 40 days ready to jump in at this stage.
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Oh, Paul.
I guess he has to be responsible, because it was all our fault a week ago for it failing. Or something. I never know with that kid. He's really all over the shop. On everything. Ever.
He's quite the insufferable douche. And yeah, Hasbro using their media connections to USA Today, Entertainment Weekly, and appealing to celebrity collectors did NOTHING at all to bring the campaign home....
Right. ;)
That aside, now I'm legitimately wondering just where am I going to put this thing? But then I do have another 11 months to sell off a lot of the extras in my collection and work on getting the room together.
And FWIW, if anyone is interested in vintage Transformers, GI Joe ARAH, Marvel Secret Wars, DC Super Powers, Marvel Legends, McFarlane Sports Picks or Matrix stuff, PM me.
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I fully get the waiting. People wanted the 45 days to be sure to go in on this $500 ginormous toy.
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I'm both excited and horrified to be getting the bill next month. :o Pretty amazing that it'll break 6K now, no sweat.
I said it when this was announced, genius on Hasbro's part.
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Pretty amazing that it'll break 6K now, no sweat.
That's done already, I'm betting it cracks 7k by the end, maybe even closer to 7,500.
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Over 6300 and still going? All I can say is WOW...
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Over 6300 and still going? All I can say is WOW...
Just a few shy of 6,500 and I'm sure it'll be well past that when I wake up.
Last day should be interesting, and might tell us something about how future offerings will go.
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I'll buy mine from the Chinese grey market.
(I'll live with that lie for as long as possible :'( )
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It's gonna hit 7k within the hour...
I'm debating whether it would be smart to buy an extra one or not... I probably won't, but it's tempting.
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I called Hasbro because I didn't see any hold on my Paypal account and wanted to make sure the order didn't get canceled by Paypal (I saw some alarmist bull**** over at JTA). For any of you that paid with Paypal, the hold does fall off, but they checked my account number and everything is fine. What will happen is the hold will get reauthorized on Wednesday as they start processing orders. Definitely gave me peace of mind to hear that the order was still good.
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Hasbro actually paid Mark (https://www.instagram.com/p/BhFO7muAOl-/?taken-by=hamillhimself) to promote this. Seems like a waste of $ ???
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Hasbro actually paid Mark (https://www.instagram.com/p/BhFO7muAOl-/?taken-by=hamillhimself) to promote this. Seems like a waste of $ ???
In terms of getting it backed sure, but in terms of dollars... if they paid him less than they'll make on new sales...
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I'm guessing the PR budget was separate from the Barge costs, but I also wonder - why not involve Mark and folks earlier? Great idea. He's perfect for it. Still sitting on this fence. Probably won't pull the trigger. Will definitely regret it.
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BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 7,091
Wasn't this barely at 3k a week ago? I'm not surprised to see a surge, but I never imagined this thing would get past 6,000, let alone 7,000. Incredible.
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BARGE BACKER TRACKER: 7,091
Wasn't this barely at 3k a week ago? I'm not surprised to see a surge, but I never imagined this thing would get past 6,000, let alone 7,000. Incredible.
7,000?! We're going to be closer to 8,000 by the end of tomorrow.
Nearly half of the backing happened in the last week.
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Did the Ithorian prisoner go away? I'm not seeing him in any of the mock ups they're showing now, and without really digging deep he doesn't seem to be on the HasLab page anymore.
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Did the Ithorian prisoner go away? I'm not seeing him in any of the mock ups they're showing now, and without really digging deep he doesn't seem to be on the HasLab page anymore.
He's still listed in the details. Don't worry. 8)
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The RS thread is now just people speculating that Hasbro will make a few thousand extra barges for overseas customers...
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Jeff,
Do you have any means of requesting HasLab to offer an extra $5-ish fee for a clamshell box for the Yakface figure? I would pay that in a heartbeat to keep him safe.
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Jeff,
Do you have any means of requesting HasLab to offer an extra $5-ish fee for a clamshell box for the Yakface figure? I would pay that in a heartbeat to keep him safe.
I can certainly forward your comment to Hasbro's PR team, but it seems like a low likelihood they would do that as it would add a lot to the packaging/shipping (having to kep two sets of orders/stock separate and manage who gets which).
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They should definitely just include something protective for everyone then. :)
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8,000 coming soon.
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Over 8000....... Wow
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8117 and still climbing? I am amazed that it's gone this far beyond the goal.
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Backed, with 7 whole minutes to spare. I figure I still have a month to change my mind if reality sets in, lol.
Really hoping my wife is not at home when this arrives next year... :D
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Not even 9k. Failure on us all
But seriously. Wow!
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Wow, I don't know if that's a lot or less than it should be, but man where am I gonna put this thing? :-[
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8840 8810... good grief.
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Very cool to see it succeed so well, and congrats to Hasbro and collectors for making it happen. My cousin is getting one, so I'll fawn over his shoulder. Can't wait to see what they do next.
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Don't forget the ebay scalpers who made this all possible.
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Welp, I got cold feet and never ultimately backed it. I couldn't justify the cost, nor the size, and will be missing out. Oh well. I'm extremely happy for those of you who are getting one after all of these years.
I'm very interested to see what happens when Hasbro starts charging people. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks it's fishy that there was such a surge of backers within the last 4-5 days
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I hate eBay scalpers as much as anyone, but not sure it applies here. They didn't affect anyone's ability to get one of these.
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The conspiracy theorist in me thinks it's fishy that there was such a surge of backers within the last 4-5 days
I'm thinking that Hasbro did along the lines that Jayson suggested. They might have given etailers the first bite and didn't publish those numbers in the 5,000.
Otherwise, it seems like @3,000 people waited until the last week or so to go in on the project.
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When this gets made, and I finally have it, I plan on installing a sound box somewhere that plays this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldMenApN_Kg).
This post has me inspired to do something similar. So I checked my vintage ROTJ soundtrack CD copy that I've had since the 80's to see if that tune was on the soundtrack. It's always been a point of pride to have that copy since it's got "Lapti Nek" on it and not "Jedi Rocks". SURELY this version of the soundtrack has to have the sail barge music, but NOOOOO! I was shocked to learn that this piece of music that plays both in Jabba's throne room and on the sail barge has never been released on any soundtrack.
Yeah, I'd definitely take that link, Lando!! ;D
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Otherwise, it seems like @3,000 people waited until the last week or so to go in on the project.
Closer to 5,000... IIRC about 4,800 happened in the last week.
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When this gets made, and I finally have it, I plan on installing a sound box somewhere that plays this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldMenApN_Kg).
This post has me inspired to do something similar. So I checked my vintage ROTJ soundtrack CD copy that I've had since the 80's to see if that tune was on the soundtrack. It's always been a point of pride to have that copy since it's got "Lapti Nek" on it and not "Jedi Rocks". SURELY this version of the soundtrack has to have the sail barge music, but NOOOOO! I was shocked to learn that this piece of music that plays both in Jabba's throne room and on the sail barge has never been released on any soundtrack.
Youtube has a version of the Jabba's throne room and sail barge music here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldMenApN_Kg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldMenApN_Kg)
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Just got my order confirmation.
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I got one, too.
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As in your card was charged or as in delays beginning already?
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2020?
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I'm pretty sure they mean the notifications that the workbench book will be shipping April 25th and that's when your method of payment will be charged.
The barge ship date is still Feb 28, 2019 - so no delays on the barge, only a couple week delay for the book.
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The email notifications about our orders GMN. You should get one too like Pete mentioned about the booklet thing and stuff.
It'll be a long ass year.
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According to Hasbro CS, cards will be charged on or around April 25
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I got the email too. Not too concerned about the delay on the book, as I wasn't all that interested in the first place. I'm sure it'll be a nice piece to flip through, but it's obviously not what got us to drop $500.
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I just see it as a bad start. October 2018 email "due to unexpected amount of orders the barge will ship in June 2019"
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This whole adventure has been epic. I sincerely don't think this project would have had the response if it were anything but an OT item, but I hope to be proven wrong in the future.
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Congrats to all who backed it! I ultimately decided not to, but I'll wait and see what happens when these start showing up. Somebody's significant other will probably see the box and freak out and make them sell, so I'll get one then. Just couldn't swing buying it now, unfortunately.
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The $531 charge is pending on my card. I suppose it's going through soon. :)
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Same here!
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Booklet shipped - :)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbP1I2RV4AAeCyO.jpg)
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My account on PayPal no longer shows a pending charge for this from Hasbro, so I don't know what is happening with my order. It hasn't even been 3 weeks!
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The pending charge kinda came and went and came back I think. I bought mine on my CC and that seemed to happen for mine. Got my booklet notification just a half hr ago or so.
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I got my shipping notice too, so I guess I am ok.
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I got my behind the workbench booklet in the mail today, pretty cool. The wait until next year is going to be brutal. 😉
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I got mine too!
Still haven't been able to bring myself to tearing open the inner plastic sleeve, but I won't be able to hold out much longer...
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Got mine in the mail today and popped it open. Pretty interesting stuff so far. I've just skimmed it over, but the back section about the toy itself and how this came about is what I'm most interested in. Of course, what I've read so far is just kind of a pep rally for "We heard you, we committed, Fans + Hasbro = Awesome." I was hoping for a bit more story about how it all went down and who drove it.
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Got mine in the mail today and popped it open. Pretty interesting stuff so far. I've just skimmed it over, but the back section about the toy itself and how this came about is what I'm most interested in. Of course, what I've read so far is just kind of a pep rally for "We heard you, we committed, Fans + Hasbro = Awesome." I was hoping for a bit more story about how it all went down and who drove it.
Yeah, me too. I don't know why, but I thought it was going to be a hard-cover book. I guess I was expecting a bit much.
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Yeah, me too. I don't know why, but I thought it was going to be a hard-cover book. I guess I was expecting a bit much.
Funny - I had the same impression. That this was going to be more of a good read or have lots more pictures. It kind of reminds of the same little books you can get at a car dealership to sell you on all the features of your car. It's kind of neat, but not what I was expecting. That said, it's a freebie and I would have bought the Khetanna without it, so can't complain too much I suppose.
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$8 a page. :P
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Anyone getting bent booklets? I find the discussion on yakfaces front page "interesting"
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Mine arrived fine. The pic Jayson posted appears like the sorter caught it and basically spun tire (the little rubber rollers in this case) on the cardboard and bent it, but I would think that’d be a rarity. The book is pretty flexible too so I’d guess the package takes most of the bending and abuse and the book could still be fine.
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I find the new ways to hate Hasbro humerous.
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I was expecting it'd be smaller and stapled at the spine, so I'm pleasantly surprised with the dimension and binding type.
Mine was left on the porch and arrived in fine shape. Too bad others received bent booklets. The envelope is made from backer board stock; and with the spine perpendicular to the length of the envelope, it's very stiff and obviously shouldn't be bent. The blame is on the carrier.
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I'm definitely thankful about the size and dimensions of my mailbox, because mine arrived in good shape. But it stinks that some of the booklets wound up getting bent.
Interesting side note? The secondary market seems to be going nuts about all things Jabba and his goons. I had some extra POTF2 Skiff Guards cinema scenes that I bought on clearance back in the day. Why I thought I really needed 5 of them is beyond me. But I sold through some of those really quick, along with my extra POTF2 Skiff. I wonder how crazy people are going about Nysad and Vizam, who both have those sail barge cannon accessories?
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Currently on eBay the cheapest it looks like you can get a Behind the Workbench booklet is $30 if no one else bids.
For the life of me I can't figure out what you would want with one for that much money. To just have that and no barge seems odd. To each their own I guess
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Seriously? I’ll probably sell mine then. I don’t really need it and anything that lowers the cost of the barge seems like a good idea to me...
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I didn't word that perfectly. You can BIN for 60. There's a current auction at $15 but also one almost at 30 so in theory the others should get there too
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Wow, I should sell mine too. Doubt I will ever look at it again.
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I sold mine a few days ago... the cost of my barge is now $506 minus whatever I can get for the POTF Yak Face.
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Hmmm, since I bought two barges, I have two copies of this book - I wonder if I could get good money for the one that I haven't opened yet...
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Guessing I'm probably not the only one who used PayPal Credit to pay for this, taking advantage of their interest free six-month payoff window. Tonight at midnight (PST) is the deadline, for me anyway, so I was happy to just make my final installment and officially pay this sucker off. :)
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Looking over the latest batch of pictures from Hasbro... I cannot wait to get this thing.
Looks like they put a lot of effort into the packaging to ensure that the POTF-carded Yakface will have a shot at arriving in minty condition (https://www.hasbrolab.com/email-updates-ip1-a91e1f92524dedeaddca48b52320f244).
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Looks like they put a lot of effort into the packaging to ensure that the POTF-carded Yakface will have a shot at arriving in minty condition (https://www.hasbrolab.com/email-updates-ip1-a91e1f92524dedeaddca48b52320f244).
Indeed, but I kind of expected that since that Yak Face was being packed within a box already, that the barge packaging would have to be all but thrashed to damage the Yak Face. None-the-less, appreciate the care.
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So...just about a month until these things ship out?
I now have a Yakface for my palace as well as a Yakface for my barge, which means I can keep the pack-in Yakface on the card...something I very, very rarely do.
Anyone starting to fill holes in their collection to fill up the barge, or are you planning on moving all your palace figures into the barge? I've been doubling up where necessary, but I still need to get a double of the Max Rebo band Doesn't seem like the eBay prices are all that bad. But I wish Hasbro would redo the band. They could use it.
For any of you looking to populate a palace setup and the barge, I created this spreadsheet of who was where:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IdCU-wuNRV5mhjn4WOc7swe2-CXka82Y3_bihEYWdz4/edit?usp=sharing
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Anyone else as skeptical as me that at least some people won't be seeing their barge until second half of year?
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Is there a rumor on that?
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I would have assumed that they would have already known of production or logistical challenges and provided some new expectations on delivery timing if they were far off course. If they are far off course and haven't communicated then shame on them.
They've done a great job keeping us in the loop with their periodic updates, packaging design, etc. I'm assuming we're going to get this more or less on time, at least for US customers where the logistics should be easier.
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Not that I know. But the second it took an extra three weeks or whatever it was to get the pamphlets out I've assumed the worst
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I've seen no indication of a delay. The updates seem to indicate that production is well underway. Even if there was a delay, I take comfort in the fact that this is bought and paid for and will arrive eventually.
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There's a Yak-Face up for pre-order on eBay for $399.99. So if you didn't think the Barge was worth a $100 but want Yak hurry over.
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There was one at auction a little over a week ago and it was at $355 with 4 days left, so I tried to sell mine on a lark and someone bought it for $375 within about 4 hours.
If you're thinking about selling yours, the early birds are out there now... and the market is going to flood with Yak's soon.
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All I can say is wow
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Why wouldn't you buy the barge, keep Yak and sell the barge? I don't get it
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Why wouldn't you buy the barge, keep Yak and sell the barge? I don't get it
I'm sure some will. The are a few folks who bought 2 barges for the explicit purpose of selling the contents of one to make up the cost of purchase of the other. $300 for the Yakface, $300 for the barge -- bam! Free 2nd barge.
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Right. But my question is to the guy who bought Rob's Yak for $375.
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He and I have been emailing back and forth a little bit, he basically says he dragged his feet on ordering during the period where you could and has been kicking himself ever since, but he really wants the figure and doesn't want to take chances. And, he is getting the figure for less than the cost of the barge, and doesn't have to deal with the barge. I suppose a few hundred bucks isn't worth the time to people who have plenty of money and not a ton of time...
So he locked one down nice and early since the supply / demand on this thing when they really show up is going to be a total crap shoot. 8k of the things... probably half or more never see the light of day... are there more than 4k or 5k people worldwide who will want this one at several hundred dollars? Almost definitely.
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Hmm, now I wonder if I can wait til the summer to get the Barge by itself for cheap. Not too concerned about the Yak Face since I'm an opener and can just buy the VTC version
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Did we ever hear if they're only building the amount that were pre-purchased? I would think there are going to be extras that end up at EE, etc. that people could probably get.
I gotta get my carded Yakface up on eBay if that is what people are pre-paying for them. I too am an opener and would like to basically swap a carded Yakface for a free barge.
I've never pre-sold or pre-purchased anything on eBay. Anybody have any advice/warnings about doing this?
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Did we ever hear if they're only building the amount that were pre-purchased? I would think there are going to be extras that end up at EE, etc. that people could probably get.
I gotta get my carded Yakface up on eBay if that is what people are pre-paying for them. I too am an opener and would like to basically swap a carded Yakface for a free barge.
I've never pre-sold or pre-purchased anything on eBay. Anybody have any advice/warnings about doing this?
I'm pretty sure that during the ordering period they said several times that they would be made to order and that would be all.
Of course, they could change their minds a year later and make a ton of money cranking out more of them...
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I would hope they see the huge money-making potential in these limited edition vintage figures first. Sim Aloo on a POTF card with coin included with the Haslab Death Star, baby!
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Forgive me for not going back in the thread to find the answer, but...
Has it been mentioned which Jabba comes with this? Is it new or either the WM Exclusive or Black Series set one?
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Forgive me for not going back in the thread to find the answer, but...
Has it been mentioned which Jabba comes with this? Is it new or either the WM Exclusive or Black Series set one?
I believe it is the new sculpt one from that TRU Black Series set (that never showed up in my area)
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Forgive me for not going back in the thread to find the answer, but...
Has it been mentioned which Jabba comes with this? Is it new or either the WM Exclusive or Black Series set one?
I believe it is the new sculpt one from that TRU Black Series set (that never showed up in my area)
That would be perfect as that is technically the only 3.75" non-animated piece I don't own.
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Some details...
-Jabba is the TBS pack Jabba probably slight deco changes as is usual.
-Hasbro is making barges available outside the US as I understand it so some extras beyond the 8000+ are happening but details are unknown.
-Hasbro, in its legal wording, reserved the right to make more of they want with no restrictions, no shocker there of course. That said it doesn’t mean they’re going to. I’d think if money was on the table they might do it. I kind of hope they do just to piss some people off in the Facebook group for the barge because there are some real ****heads in that hoard I’d like to see unhappy just for my own amusement.
I’m already dreading this thing coming because I have nowhere for it haha. I really don’t know what I’m going to do with it. Even for storage it’s going to be a pain in the ass for a time.
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-Jabba is the TBS pack Jabba probably slight deco changes as is usual.
I could have sworn that during the initial announcement they said the Jabba was all new?
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Nope. He’s reused.
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I'll ditto what Jesse said - I don't have a link handy, but in one of the post-Toy Fair google hangouts they did with fan sites it was confirmed by Hasbro that it was the TRU 3.75" Black Series "Rancor Pit" box set Jabba sculpt but with all-new improved deco/paint apps.
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...and THAT Jabba is the same sculpt as the SOTDS version that was released as a WalMart exclusive, IIRC. The deco is the difference on those versions.
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...and THAT Jabba is the same sculpt as the SOTDS version that was released as a WalMart exclusive, IIRC. The deco is the difference on those versions.
Actually, I believe it's different sculpt all together. I was scratching my head when the TRU TBS came out because it was the only new piece in the set, IIRC.
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It is a different sculpt than the Wally one but it also doesn’t have the melty issues the Walmart one has in some (not all, yet) cases... I don’t own the black series one actually as I refused to buy that TRU set, so for me it’s a win win thing. That set was too much moola for a Jabba I didn’t really feel I needed since I like the wally one a lot at that time. Mine is not melting but I fear it may at some point.
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Wait, what's this about Jabba's melting? I have the Walmart one, but he seems ok. Has this been happening?
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Yeah no rhyme or reason either to it... not necessarily an issue of environment or anything. Just seems to happen to some. Maybe many or all eventually.
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Wait, what's this about Jabba's melting? I have the Walmart one, but he seems ok. Has this been happening?
I remember Dressel Rebel's story - I dug it up for you. I should check my Walmart Jabba when I get home tonight now that I'm thinking about this issue again...
I shared this over at RS.
<Quote Originally Posted by DarkKnight07 View Post
So this was really gross and quite surprising: I was comparing my Walmart Jabba from the throne set to the Jabba from the Rancor set. When I picked up the Walmart Jabba I noticed it felt oily, and almost kind of slimy, and looking at the bottom of it you can actually see spots where there are bubbles of oil for lack of a better way to describe it. Is this some super realistic action feature (I know it's not) or is this actually breaking down already? Mine can't be the only one to be doing this. Anyone else experiencing this? It definitely felt like oil on my fingers when I rubbed them together.>
I've been looking for a place to tell this story. My Jabba Walmart sat on his throne on my shelf for a few years until we finally installed a legit collection room to keep my massive figure collection away from our baby that was about to be born last winter. I painstakingly moved a few figures at a time a couple rooms over to their new home, but Walmart Jabba was stuck to his throne, and the tip of his tail was touching Max Rebo's piano and the oily secretion from the tail MELTED the part of the piano it was touching!!! I threw that Jabba away before it destroyed anything else. Funny now that a new Jabba is out, people are finally fondling the old one and discovering this. I moved 2,000 Star Wars and Marvel figures a handful at a time, Jabba was the only figure like this. The only other noteworthy destruction was yellowed VOTC scout troopers and stormies, in a room with no light and climate controlled year round.
Also funny, looked at ebay Walmart Jabba selling for $125-250, yeah right!!! It's worth $0. The throne survived ps, no damage there.
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Thanks for looking this up Jeff. I tried to find this yesterday, but didn't really have the time.
I am also going to check out my Jabba tonight...it's been fine. **knocks on wood**
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Mine is ok and I don’t have central air, but it does seem to happen to this particular figure to some extent. Keep an eye on him. He’ll sweat onto the dais and pillows!😑
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I (improperly) stored a bunch of toys for a couple of years, the Wally Jabba among them. He melted into a Transformer he was in the tote with, pretty much ruining them both. Check those Jabbas!
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So here's the question... How would one tell if this thing has melted if it still in the box? I grabbed one of these on the cheap but never opened it up. Hearing that they are commanding a secondary market premium piques my interest in moving it... It is pretty awesome looking though.
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In package I don’t think there is way to tell if your Jabba melted, not without opening it.
When i found my Jabba had melted, there was no distinct smell, just that he fused to a Max Rebo piano. I have heard of no other reports of a smell, so a packaged Jabba is basically Schroedinnger’s Cat
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In package I don’t think there is way to tell if your Jabba melted, not without opening it.
When i found my Jabba had melted, there was no distinct smell, just that he fused to a Max Rebo piano. I have heard of no other reports of a smell, so a packaged Jabba is basically Schroedinnger’s Cat
Do you guys with melted Jabba's have pictures? Was the "melt" due to actual heat or did the product have some kind of chemical reaction? So weird.
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He's in my Jabba's palace display. I'd have to move a bunch of things to get to him.
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a packaged Jabba is basically Schroedinnger’s Cat
Well done, sir!
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(https://i.ibb.co/tpsx42X/5353-E0-C9-C043-4-D57-959-C-296-E4478152-D.jpg)
This bothers me, since that Jazz is hard to find. >:( (https://ibb.co/RT0B96y)
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I think something similar happened to my E1 Chancellor Valorum.
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In package I don’t think there is way to tell if your Jabba melted, not without opening it.
When i found my Jabba had melted, there was no distinct smell, just that he fused to a Max Rebo piano. I have heard of no other reports of a smell, so a packaged Jabba is basically Schroedinnger’s Cat
Do you guys with melted Jabba's have pictures? Was the "melt" due to actual heat or did the product have some kind of chemical reaction? So weird.
Here are pictures of my Jabba and the damage it wrought. I don't think heat had anything to do with it, to this day the Jabba is quite sticky and it has been separated from the rest of the collection. No clue what to do with it now, such a shame...
(https://i.ibb.co/f23wn6f/FB-IMG-1550266132459.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/C7xG5QS/FB-IMG-1550266144503.jpg)
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Jabba looked like he had an American pie moment with Max’s, uh, “organ” as it were.
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Wowsers! This is the first I've heard of this. Mine has been on display in a cabinet. Afraid to pick it up to look.
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Wowsers! This is the first I've heard of this. Mine has been on display in a cabinet. Afraid to pick it up to look.
Funny you say that. Mine was fine when I opened it. But he's on his dais and hasn't been touched in two years. I was just thinking the same thing yesterday. I'm scared to pick him up and see if he's permanently affixed to it
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Hah I had similar feelings. I’ve debated spraying mine down in adhesion prompter to act as a kind of sealant for it since mine was ok. I should probably check him again, actually. :-\
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When I checked mine, he was oily but not sticking to anything. I'm thinking of finding a Rancor set so I can swap him out.
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I think with all the emphasis on ROTJ, we may see a Jabba rerelease sometime this year.
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What package are these Jabba's from? I think I might have him, but not yet opened...
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The melting Jabba figure (or more accurately "the Jabba that melts/fuses together with a particular type of hard plastic when in contact with it") is the one from the 2010 Walmart exclusive throne room set (http://www.rebelscum.com/TVCExJabbasThrone.asp).
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Here are pictures of my Jabba and the damage it wrought. I don't think heat had anything to do with it, to this day the Jabba is quite sticky and it has been separated from the rest of the collection. No clue what to do with it now, such a shame...
(image snipped)
Yikes. Worse case of necrotizing plastiitis I've seen. I'll have to quarantine Typhoid Mary.
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I just checked mine...it's fine, but it's been laying on a scrap of leather (looks like a blanket) on top of the dais. I think keeping it away from contact with other plastics is key.
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Hah I had similar feelings. I’ve debated spraying mine down in adhesion prompter to act as a kind of sealant for it since mine was ok. I should probably check him again, actually. :-\
I have been wondering if there is something that could be put on this like a sealant. But I haven’t dared try anything yet
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Advance Access to the Final Assembly Instructions (https://www.hasbrolab.com/assets/barge-inst-far.pdf)
Find yourself a Barge BuddyTM and start preparations for putting your Barge together!
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Sick. When should we start getting shipping confirmation?
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Sick. When should we start getting shipping confirmation?
I got a HasLab update (#6) emailed to me at 11:54 AM CST today. They stated that all product should be shipped to all customers by March 4th.
Didn't everyone else get this email?
For some reason this update isn't on the Web site (https://www.hasbrolab.com/#updates).
I was about #500 on the Kickstarter list, so I'm not sure if they're handling this in waves, but the email stated "all customers".
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I have not received a notice yet. You'd think they would send the email to everyone at once - it's not like mailing snail mail.
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I have not received a notice yet. You'd think they would send the email to everyone at once - it's not like mailing snail mail.
Perhaps due to relativistic effects, your electrons are moving slower?
Or perhaps they send them out in batches of when people put in their order. Anovos did a similar thing when it came to the pre-ordered Stormtrooper kits.
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The email was actually one giant image.
Hopefully everyone can see this.
(https://d3k81ch9hvuctc.cloudfront.net/company/LqpvWS/images/6e344ff5-b049-4932-8543-763df587427c.jpeg)
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Didn't everyone else get this email?
For some reason this update isn't on the Web site (https://www.hasbrolab.com/#updates).
1. For some reason, not everyone gets the HasLab Insider emails. I've gotten all 6, but some folks I know haven't gotten any of them. No one is quite sure why...
2. It usually takes them a day or two to get the HasLab site updated with the newest email info.
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Thanks for sharing Dave. I searched my gmail and the last communication I had from Haslab was 363 days ago...
Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 8:22 PM
Thanks for backing The Vintage Collection Jabba's Sail Barge (The Khetanna)
Because of passionate fans like you, we are one step closer to bringing to life (and to your shelf) an iconic Star Wars™ product Until then, dust off your shelf and help spread the word to reach the backer goal and move this into production! Questions or concerns? Call us at 1-800-408-0052 and we'd be happy to help.
-The Hasbro HASLAB Team
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I also got all of them.
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I got all the previous emails but as of 7:10pm CT I haven’t received the latest update. Very strange, hope it doesn’t mean anything
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I had been getting them all, but didn't get any this week.
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You can always view the latest updates here (https://www.hasbrolab.com/#updates)...
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So...anyone planning to mount this baby to their wall? I'm looking into some wall brackets like model ship collectors use. Seems like a good solution, but I haven't found anything quite right yet.
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I thought about something like that, but the new skiff changes everything. I might just have it over a table in the middle of the room, elevated on stands, with the skiffs positioned around it.
I'll get a better feel when I have the ships in my possession.
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So today's March 4th. Anyone received shipping info yet?
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No. Something weird is going on with my shipment.
The label was created (in Chino CA) on Thursday the 28th with an expected delivery date of Wednesday the 6th. That was four days ago and the package still hasn't been picked up and started moving.
Based on my experiences with FedEx packages I'm guessing this thing has no chance of making to the midwest and being delivered by Wednesday unless they overnight the thing. I had assumed this thing was so big that it would be moving on trucks fairly slowly.
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My understanding is they wouldn't start shipping until today. So it's 715 in CA. Not surprised. Now why they estimated the 6th to MN is laughable for FedEx.
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I didn't get a shipping notice, but same story... I logged into FedEx Delivery Manager and it said a label had been created on February 28 and my expected delivery date was March 06.
(https://i.imgur.com/m5LfDim.jpg)
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I don't have a Fedex Delivery Manager account, so I'm assuming I wouldn't have a package in the system to check on. Since someone needs to be here to sign for it, I wish they'd send some info.
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No. Something weird is going on with my shipment.
The label was created (in Chino CA) on Thursday the 28th with an expected delivery date of Wednesday the 6th. That was four days ago and the package still hasn't been picked up and started moving.
Based on my experiences with FedEx packages I'm guessing this thing has no chance of making to the midwest and being delivered by Wednesday unless they overnight the thing. I had assumed this thing was so big that it would be moving on trucks fairly slowly.
Mine is exactly the same. As of 11am on Monday, still just the shipping label has been created, but it still shows deliver on 3/6. Just below there you can sign up for text and/or email notices of a status change. I did that just so I don't have to keep checking the site. Sounds like we're all in the same boat for better or worse...
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Sounds like we're all in the same boat for better or worse...
I still don't have anything in my FedEx delivery manger account... :(
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Sounds like we're all in the same boat for better or worse...
I still don't have anything in my FedEx delivery manger account... :(
Well, we are almost all in the same boat, except for Jeff who's Barge order was cancelled. >:D
Jeff - they are probably personally delivering yours direct from Hasbro.
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Mine has a delivery date of tomorrow, but like everyone else, there's no shipping status.
I plan to take the day off when this is delivered. No way I want to have the barge sit in the truck overnight for another delivery attempt. Luckily I didn't already schedule tomorrow off.
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I actually just got a shipping notice from Hasbro. My delivery date is now Friday - but it's real and not just me logging in and looking at a status saying there's a printed label.
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Professor without knowing precisely the cause, would you say its time for our viewers to crack open each others skulls and feast on the goo inside?
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Professor without knowing precisely the cause, would you say its time for our viewers to crack open each others skulls and feast on the goo inside?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/tnYri4n2Frnig/giphy.gif)
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No other Jders got an actual shipping notice yet?
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Professor without knowing precisely the cause, would you say its time for our viewers to crack open each others skulls and feast on the goo inside?
Yes, yes I would, Kent. :D
No shipping notice for me either.
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Nothing here yet.
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No other Jders got an actual shipping notice yet?
Got mine notice last night. Arrives Friday.
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Its on the way!
IN TRANSIT
Arrived at FedEx location
CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA
Mine is slated to arrive Friday as well.
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Same.
Looking forward to some Star Wars toy bingeing this weekend.
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Hasbro email or FedEx?
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Hasbro email or FedEx?
FedEx email
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Mineis coming next week. Monday supposedly. I’m not prepared.
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No Hasbro email and I'm too lazy/obstinate to do the FedEx thing, so I'm pretty much in the dark. I hope it comes soon though because I really need to flip that Yakface while he still has some value. I gotta try to recoup some of the dough I laid out for this. I may need it for a divorce lawyer after this thing shows up. :D
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Just got an email from Hasbro with the tracking number that I already got from Fedex. But better late than never. :)
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Just got my Hasbro email here too. I’m set for this to sit in its box for a while.
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Just got my Hasbro email here too. I’m set for this to sit in its box for a while.
LOL! So I'm not the only one, huh? I've got a lot of work to do in my collecting room before I can even think about unboxing the Sail Barge.
Oh, and I got my shipping notification, too. Considering the signature requirement, I think I may have this rerouted to the local FedEx office.
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Got my email from Haslab as well. Also a Friday delivery. I'm glad I have the day off of work so I don't have to go pick it up somewhere due to the signature requirement. I am also glad this thing is already paid for ahead of time. I really have no clue what I'm going to do with it, but it was just too cool of an item to pass on.
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Updated email this morning from Hasbro (a day after Fed Ex tracking reported it shipped):
Dust off the shelf
Your order has shipped! The Vintage Collection Jabbas Sail Barge (The Khetanna) is setting sail and cruising straight to your collection. Track your order here. If you have any questions or concerns, call us at 1-800-408-0052 and wed be happy to help.
For anyone who missed it, iFett/Mike posted that you can have these shipped to a local Walmart or Walgreens. Just look up your order on Fed Ex and go to delivery options. This is primarily posted for those of you contemplating the need for a divorce lawyer... :-X
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Just got my Hasbro email here too. I’m set for this to sit in its box for a while.
LOL! So I'm not the only one, huh? I've got a lot of work to do in my collecting room before I can even think about unboxing the Sail Barge.
Oh, and I got my shipping notification, too. Considering the signature requirement, I think I may have this rerouted to the local FedEx office.
Same here, I have to open it just enough to get the Yak Face out to send to this guy who pre-ordered it, but other than that I have no idea what to do with it...
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bull****. All you guys that ordered it need to display this bad boy and take pictures! ;D
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Got my shipping notice! It will be here tomorrow... ;D
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Got my shipping notes, too! Haven't got a delivery date though.
Says it's at a FedEx facility less than an hour away. Boy is it tempting to call and see if I can go pick it up.
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Got my shipping notice as well, estimated delivery of Friday. Like others, kind of a mix of excitement and also "ok, where is this going to go?". I kind of thought I had a place for it, but you never really know until you have it in person. I've personally never owned any collectible this large.
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bull****. All you guys that ordered it need to display this bad boy and take pictures! ;D
... that way his Mint in SEALED box "piece" will become more valuable. Mwuhahaha!
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I didn't order. I can only live vicariously through all of you.
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I didn't order either, but i have to say I'm enjoying myself right now. I feel a twinge of regret passing it up, but it remains I have nowhere to put it/other priorities. Still, I look forward to all the pics and fun people have with it.
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Got my shipping notice! It will be here tomorrow... ;D
Tracking now says next Tuesday. >:( :'(
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I didn't order. I can only live vicariously through all of you.
Well if you wanna have fun doing that... avoid social media. It’s a neurotic shitshow. Hey
LOL! So I'm not the only one, huh? I've got a lot of work to do in my collecting room before I can even think about unboxing the Sail Barge.
Oh, and I got my shipping notification, too. Considering the signature requirement, I think I may have this rerouted to the local FedEx office.
Oh yeah, not even close to really being able to enjoy this thing. I was gonna buy some more Ekets to do some more room work and organization but I have preorders coming due and in the spirit of responsibility I’m not buying them right now. Maybe end of the month once all bills are in and I feel I’m sitting better and know if any POs get pushed back, which has happened often.
I just hate some $100-$150 thing hits my card right after I drop a couple hundred on storage and design ****. ::)
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Mine still says tomorrow. Apparently it’s made it to Burbank, IL
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Mine is in town! :o
Arrived at FedEx location
SAINT PAUL, MN
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Mine is set to arrive the latter half of tomorrow. We have too much going on at work, and other folks are out, so it'd be prickish for me to take the day off. I don't want to request FedEx to do a vacation hold until Monday when I am off. (I also don't want the barge in their possession any longer than it needs to since there's more chance of damage when they load more packages in the truck.) So I'll have them deliver in the evening.
Turns out evening delivery after 5p, re-ship on a specific day, or drop-off at another location, costs extra.
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Mine is in my living room!
A buddy of mine in town got his yesterday.
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Mine is in my living room!
A buddy of mine in town got his yesterday.
Nice! How is the skeleton? No one is talking about the skeleton!
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Mine is in my living room!
A buddy of mine in town got his yesterday.
Pics or it didn't happen. :D
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Lol! Wish I could but don't have an on-line photo account.
By the time I got to open and build it, it got dark and the lighting was sub-par.
Giving an unboxing video a crack, but I have a job tomorrow and need more time to video some of the detail.
In regards to the skeleton, it's kinda rubbery and glued in, or fastened to the floor at one or two point in some way. One piece it looks like. Nicely detailed.
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I'd just post em to social media and link them here then... The free photo accounts have largely dried up or turned into more hassle than they're worth. I figure if I'm posting it to facebook anyway I can link it here or whatever and it shows up.
Mine is supposedly on its way for Monday, along with an EE set of Acid Rain figures... that's a lotta $ tied up in plastic.
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I'd just post em to social media and link them here then... The free photo accounts have largely dried up or turned into more hassle than they're worth. I figure if I'm posting it to facebook anyway I can link it here or whatever and it shows up.
Imgur.com
Easy, free.
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In regards to the skeleton, it's kinda rubbery and glued in, or fastened to the floor at one or two point in some way. One piece it looks like. Nicely detailed.
THANK YOU!!!
Just what I needed to know...
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Out for delivery.
Oh boy.
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Wife just called... it's delivered. The woman from FedEx rang the doorbell before bringing it up to the house, and then when she finally brought it up said to my wife that some kid is going to be very happy.
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Wife just called... it's delivered. The woman from FedEx rang the doorbell before bringing it up to the house, and then when she finally brought it up said to my wife that some kid is going to be very happy.
Ha!!! And are you?
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I'd be much more excited if I had ANY IDEA where I was going to put it.
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Just received my Barge a few minutes ago, man the box is gigantic. Won't get a chance to open until later, but still kind of amazed that this actually happened. Hopefully the place I envisioned holding this will work.
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I'd be much more excited if I had ANY IDEA where I was going to put it.
You are more than welcome to keep it at my place.
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I've got some work to do this weekend to make some room for the barge. OMG, it is going to take up so much space!
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I'd be much more excited if I had ANY IDEA where I was going to put it.
You are more than welcome to keep it at my place.
It might get to that point... It's 14" wide, and I've got 12" deep shelves... I'm kind of hoping it'll fit on those and just hang over a little bit - but I'm not entirely sure I can create 4' of shelf space without taking half of the room apart and losing my mind.
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I got mine this morning. Love how many boxes are used to protect the barge. It’s a nesting egg of cardboard. :D
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I'd just post em to social media and link them here then...
Social... you lost me.
This is about as social media as I get. No Facebook, instaphoto, twitting,..
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My sail barge was scheduled to be delivered Tuesday by end of day, but it randomly showed up this morning! I'm definitely happy about that, but for any of you that are expecting it next week, you might want to keep your eye out for FedEx today.
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This thing is pretty ******* amazing. (https://www.instagram.com/p/BuzB3P6HZb8/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1cc1qv8mdt18y)
I have it on top of my Jabba coffee table in my office for the moment. I'm planning on mounting it on the wall eventually.
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I mean, I knew the box was going to be huge, but good grief...
(https://i.imgur.com/hshOkvC.jpg)
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Picked mine up yesterday at Walgreen's. That is a really slick option, though maneuvering a giant box labeled "ACTION FIGURES" out of a surprisingly crowded Walgreen's was not the highlight of my day. I managed to slice open my finger on the cardboard too, but thanks to the 8 protective layers of packaging, nothing got on my barge.
My son and I put it all together today. We're both still just awestruck at the size of this thing. It has a ton of great features and the sail design is just amazing. I have some display space on top of glass shelves, but I need to find a way to get it displayed lower. You can't see or interact with anything if its too high up. So glad I picked this up. Now I just need to stock it with some goons.
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Just realized I dont have an extra Wooof or Nysad to display on this thing. Trying to decide if Hasbro will rerelease those or if I should pull the eBay trigger. They aren't cheap. Hell, Nysad isn't even listed. Nothing on Tungori either.
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Just realized I dont have an extra Wooof or Nysad to display on this thing. Trying to decide if Hasbro will rerelease those or if I should pull the eBay trigger. They aren't cheap. Hell, Nysad isn't even listed. Nothing on Tungori either.
Isn’t Nysad the all new Nikto in the 3 pack on hasbro pulse?
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Mine arrived today. Was to be Monday.
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Just realized I dont have an extra Wooof or Nysad to display on this thing. Trying to decide if Hasbro will rerelease those or if I should pull the eBay trigger. They aren't cheap. Hell, Nysad isn't even listed. Nothing on Tungori either.
Isn’t Nysad the all new Nikto in the 3 pack on hasbro pulse?
No he's called Nikto Gunner from the Build a Droid series. Hasbro should have had a whole bunch of Jabba's goons on the pegs right now.
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I keep bouncing back and forth between grabbing figures out of my Return of the Jedi cabinet to include in the barge and putting the barge together. I haven't tackled the sails yet, I've heard they are a total pain in the butt.
I'm trying to decide what C-3PO to include, do I include the 30th Anniversary Collection one with the pop-out eye? It's scene specific, but the sculpt isn't great but that release is a good candidate to grab a Salacious Crumb from for the Barge (heaven forbid they included him with Jabba in the barge).
No he's called Nikto Gunner from the Build a Droid series. Hasbro should have had a whole bunch of Jabba's goons on the pegs right now.
Lando is spot on with the remark that there should be Jabba Goons easily available right now.
You almost want to say that if this had been done a bit more like a kickstarter with tiers, if you had pledged $650 instead of $500 you got a "figure & accessory" pack to go with your barge purchase and it could have included one of every additional figure they are showing on the packaging, plus the Nikto Gunner and a couple of those clip-on deck cannons.
This way, if you have them already and don't need them, back at the $500 tier, but if you want to get everything you need for a nice display, back at the $650 tier. Considering that none of the figures are new sculpts asking $150 for 15 previously released figures, Salacious Crumb and some accessories isn't that unreasonable.
At least then they wouldn't have to put in the instruction manual "Collector's Note: For those collectors who own the Star Wars The Black Series Vizam figure and cannon, there are 4 C-clip ports to connect Vizam's cannon. (Figure/cannon not included and not available for sale.)"
On a $500 purchase, that last bit just seems pretty tasteless if you ask me. I think the start of the call-out says it all "For those collectors who own the Star Wars The Black Series Vizam figure..." no need to further drive the point home that you can't buy it now. I'm sure it was added by some lawyer.
(And full disclosure, I have three Vizam's opened and two Nikto Gunner's open, so I have more deck cannons then I have c-clip ports for, so this isn't me being upset that I can't fully deck-out my barge)
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The extras pack would have been great, that's for sure. But even just over the course of the year+ in planning and release for the barge, I'm surprised no one was like "let's get some rereleases out there on the pegs to capitalize on all the buzz at release time." The upcoming rerelease wave is a bit of a miss in my opinion.
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For those that haven't done the sails yet, you hook the two ends together first (Front of sail and back of sail). Then do the two longer ends on each side. Then last do the two shorter side ends. That was the only way I could get them to stretch.
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Rob, completely off topic, but I dig the monochrome thing you guys have going on in your living room. But the barge box definitely throws it off.
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The sails really weren't that hard to do. I had a lot more trouble connecting the anchors and prisoner chains than putting the sails together.
I know it kind of stinks you can't buy a Vizam figure at retail anymore, but I love that they designed the ship with this in mind. The Barge is 1000% collector focused and I assume most collectors have one of these in their collection somewhere. He was the first guy I tracked down out of my store room to put on the barge.
They've done the same thing with a breakaway railing for R2-D2 to shove C-3PO off the barge. Neither figure has been available for a long time either, but we should all have plenty to dig out.
One thing that would have been kind of nice is to have a battery powered LED lighting system in the ship as well. With the sails on the top is pretty dark, as well as the interior. I know it probably would have made everything more expensive, but it would have been sweet to have some lights in the barge.
I just spent the morning stocking the barge with figures and this thing is all kinds of awesome.
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I was thinking the same thing about the lighting. I have mine displayed high, close to the lights, but its pretty dark. The have so much great detail along the back walls, but its not easy to see. I might position it to have a display light targeting it, bit internal LEDs would be a lot nicer. They can't add that much cost if they're in things like the Sandcrawler.
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I finally got around to doing the sails this morning. I didn't really have that much trouble with them. I kinda lucked into the same technique that Justin mentions.
I did also have a heck of a time squeezing my hands into the back wall of the prison cell to attach those chains.
It was a lot of fun pulling figures out to staff the barge. I was even digging through boxes of Star Wars toys my sister gave me from the POTF2 through POTJ era. Unfortunately there wasn't a Tessek or Amanaman in there, but there was a complete set of Max Rebo's band 2-packs, a POTF2 Bib Fortuna which I'm going to use for now (my Saga one is staying with my Jabba's Palace display), a Pote Snitkin, 8D8 and EV-9D9.
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Got home to my Barge here tonight and it’s neat. 🤷♂️
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Got home to my Barge here tonight and it’s neat. 🤷♂️
Is that the official JediDefender review?
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Mine made its way from Indiana to Maryland earlier this morning...gettin' closer. :D
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Got home to my Barge here tonight and it’s neat. 🤷♂️
Is that the official JediDefender review?
LOL! Yeah, can we try to keel the reviews a little shorter? I don't have seconds of my day to waste. Oh wait, yes I do.
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Been seeing some folks mention poor paint job on the Jabba itself. I had a look at my Jabba and there are some minor blemishes I can live with. However this big divot on his nose is quite distracting. How are your Jabbas looking and does anyone know if Hasbro made mention of part replacement options for the barge?
(https://i.ibb.co/JKBRtcN/FA745250-84-BF-4101-B203-EFEEAE075-E72.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SPsXy62)
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Sorry to see that. Mine actually looks really good. I'd like it if Hasbro released him by himself, so I could replace the rubbery tail version in my palace setup.
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Tomorrow is the day I guess. I plan on taping a giant note to my front door first thing in the morning saying I AM HOME! PLEASE RING BELL OR KNOCK! :D
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Got home to my Barge here tonight and it’s neat. 🤷♂️
Is that the official JediDefender review?
It is, but I'd like to amend it and say it gets 9/10 as well. Video review of me saying that all soon.
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A few pics so far...!
(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=11267&t=1)
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Thanks so much for sharing the pics, Quazar! It looks great and I am jealous!
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Cool pictures! Where did you get that Pizza accessory? That's awesome.
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Tomorrow is the day I guess. I plan on taping a giant note to my front door first thing in the morning saying I AM HOME! PLEASE RING BELL OR KNOCK! :D
Signage is up. The waiting game has begun!
Considering making a drinking game out of it and doing a shot every hour til it shows up... :D
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And just like that, the waiting has ended!
I've been BARGED! ;) :D ;D :o
A few dings and dents, but nothing that appears too concerning. Relief...
Now I just have to decide WTH I am doing with this thing.
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I cracked mine open to get the yak face out for this buyer... the Yak Face had a curved, super thin crease along the top right of the card, and the card had some curve to it as well - I sent him pictures and am waiting to find out if he still wants it. :-\
My Jabba was fine - no cleft palate, no two-right-hands... all normal. Barge looks good too, I have to crack open all the pieces and get them on it tonight.
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I cracked mine open to get the yak face out for this buyer... the Yak Face had a curved, super thin crease along the top right of the card, and the card had some curve to it as well - I sent him pictures and am waiting to find out if he still wants it. :-\
My Jabba was fine - no cleft palate, no two-right-hands... all normal. Barge looks good too, I have to crack open all the pieces and get them on it tonight.
I had a bend in the upper left corner of my Yak. The guy I sold it to on eBay got buyers remorse and caused headaches. So I gave him the refund he wanted and told him to **** off. Now I am stuck trying to sell the Yak again. >:(
Good luck with your buyer, hopefully he won’t cause you any headaches.
I sent Hasbro an email asking about replacements for the Jabba and Yak. I will let everyone know if they comment on it.
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I cracked mine open to get the yak face out for this buyer... the Yak Face had a curved, super thin crease along the top right of the card, and the card had some curve to it as well - I sent him pictures and am waiting to find out if he still wants it. :-\
My Jabba was fine - no cleft palate, no two-right-hands... all normal. Barge looks good too, I have to crack open all the pieces and get them on it tonight.
I had a bend in the upper left corner of my Yak. The guy I sold it to on eBay got buyers remorse and caused headaches. So I gave him the refund he wanted and told him to **** off. Now I am stuck trying to sell the Yak again. >:(
Good luck with your buyer, hopefully he won’t cause you any headaches.
I sent Hasbro an email asking about replacements for the Jabba and Yak. I will let everyone know if they comment on it.
Yeah, we'll see - he paid a ton of money so I wouldn't blame him if he wasn't happy. If he doesn't think it's good enough, I'm going to offer him a partial refund and if he still doesn't want him I'll just have to relist it for less. It's probably going to cost me a few hundred dollars. But it was house money anyway, so I suppose I can't complain.
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I’m debating offering it on FB first to avoid the horse **** of eBay buyers looking for free ****.
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Thanks so much for sharing the pics, Quazar! It looks great and I am jealous!
Thanks! :)
Cool pictures! Where did you get that Pizza accessory? That's awesome.
Thanks! I honestly can't remember. Probably at some long since-defunct dollhouse miniature store or hobby shop (or possibly eBay), but it's been a while.
MANY years ago, I made a pizzeria diorama for action figures (long story) and I still have the accessories. I didn't want my barge to be too tongue in cheek (at least not yet) so I avoided sprinkling the soda cans, coke bottles, napkin dispenser, etc. throughout, but I couldn't resist throwing the pizza in there.
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I picked mine up from the local FedEx office this afternoon. As luck would have it, the delivery guy for my area went to my place first thing in the morning yesterday. Naturally I had an appointment and wasn’t home. I had tried to get the delivery sent to one of the pickup locations before they even attempted a delivery, but evidently the FedEx app was not up to the task. But after that first attempt I was able to get the shipment diverted and I went to pick it up today. Much to my surprise, I was not the only one in town to have this idea, because I found TWO Sail Barges waiting to be picked up!!! The guy who helped me at the counter asked me how much it cost, to which I said I’d rather not say. I mean, who really wants to explain spending over $500 on a Star Wars toy?
As for getting it home? The FedEx guys let me use their handtruck to get it out to my car, with no irony whatsoever. And I think this might be the first time I’ve ever had to fold down the back seat in my car because a single toy wouldn’t fit in the cargo area of my Honda CRV!
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I’m debating offering it on FB first to avoid the horse **** of eBay buyers looking for free ****.
I've never sold anything on eBay. What's this horse **** of which you speak?
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Basically "Hey I got a box of rocks and this guy didn't send me my toy!" and now you owe them what they paid...
That's probably an exaggeration and I've been on the end of a buyer dealing with ****** sellers, but yeah selling on Ebay seems like a real mess to me anymore. It scares me off. I'd rather deal with people on FB where I give them their shipping notification and tracking and they're less apt to fight you on little **** like "Hey there's a dent here you didn't disclose on this bubble look!" and it's like nothing.
This hobby is full of just ****** people, honestly. Our group here is about the only place I trust everyone I can think of that's a regular here.
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I sell a lot of stuff on eBay, including toys, and by far, the absolute worst, shittiest people I have found to deal with are Vintage SW collectors. Modern vintage I mean, not Kenner stuff. I don’t even want to deal with that stuff anymore at all.
The popular scam there, and this happened to me twice in the span of 6 months, is to make up a bunch of fake damage and then demand a partial refund to get them cheaper. I always list stuff with good pictures and accurate descriptions and pack all my orders very protectively, so I know this is a BS claim. Sadly, it is usually cheaper and less hassle to just give in and refund them some extra cash. And they probably count on this.
Anyway, back on topic, my Barge is still sealed. I’m scared to check Yakface after all these horror stories!
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I can almost guarantee you it has this half circle crease and it’s kinda curved backwards, but that said, I don’t think either issue ruin it really. The circle crease thing is weird tho. Especially because damn near everyone seems to have it.
I’ve heard of few major issues like bubbles loose or whatnot. I shook mine to turn the coin right side up. I’d like to sell it to offset my Barge at least.
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I wonder if you were to put the Yakface in a protecto pack if it would help straighten it out?
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Possible. I thot I read a tweet one point this isn’t fitting in usual TVC cases tho. I’d not be shocked at that.
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I sell a lot of stuff on eBay, including toys, and by far, the absolute worst, shittiest people I have found to deal with are Vintage SW collectors. Modern vintage I mean, not Kenner stuff. I don’t even want to deal with that stuff anymore at all.
The popular scam there, and this happened to me twice in the span of 6 months, is to make up a bunch of fake damage and then demand a partial refund to get them cheaper. I always list stuff with good pictures and accurate descriptions and pack all my orders very protectively, so I know this is a BS claim. Sadly, it is usually cheaper and less hassle to just give in and refund them some extra cash. And they probably count on this.
Anyway, back on topic, my Barge is still sealed. I’m scared to check Yakface after all these horror stories!
I ran into at least one buyer like that when I decided to sell off one of my Revenge Of The Jedi Endor Rebel Troopers. I photographed the figure and cardback exhaustively because I wanted to have everything well documented and I wanted my buyers to know precisely what they were getting. I packed it with great care for shipping. The buyer was making stuff up, requesting a refund, saying that I sent something other than what I had listed. When I calmly explained that I had documented EVERYTHING in the description and photos this clown accused me of being difficult. Eventually I had to involve eBay because the buyer was such a complete POS.
And this was for a figure released in 2011.
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Wow that sucks. I guess I'll just hold onto mine. Maybe some day I can sell it at a show or something. Or try the Facebook route.
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I am beginning to think Facebook may not be the best approach for selling either. What I have experienced so far:
* Group admins that have to approve your for sale post and won’t without explanation
* Uneducated people who make comments questioning your price, which then turns off other people
* Your post getting buried by other posts really quickly
* Facebook thinking you’re selling something illegal making your post disappear and reappear at random even after you fill out their stupid forms
Maybe I just have bad luck, I dunno...
Still no word from Hasbro on the email I sent them.
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If anyone ever asks me why I don't sell any of my collection, I'm directing them to these posts!
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I did not order a Barge. I saw one on FB marketplace last night for $1500. I went to jokingly show it to my wife and it had sold. I wish I would have ponied up the $500 to triple it.
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I sold on FB and had no issues beyond price questioning but I think you can shut comments off to a post somehow? Not sure on that. I sold two skiffs and two Jabba skiff guards with little issues behind again people openly bitching about price... l attribute that to people just being ****heads in this hobby. Social media is littered with “newbies” to the hobby who need spoon fed collecting news because they’re too lazy to look at websites and they seem to think you owe them stuff for cost because they were not here to buy it on sale like the rest of us were. That would be a NMFP.
Ask Jayson some time about the social media tools. I’m seeing him repeatedly having to explain **** to them because they don’t use google or they don’t even read the full post.
I like aspects of social media, and sales on FB have been ok for me then so far, but it has some real ****heads on it too obviously.
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Anyone have a good reason that Jabba's bed moves left and right? It's on some kind of track like the Jail door... it moves... I can't figure out why. Jabba doesn't need it to move. It doesn't seem to make sense to me.
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Probably just so you can make microadjustments to fit whatever configuration of Jabba's losers you want.
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I was thinking that maybe. Made no sense to me really. I thought perhaps it popped out if you slide it and lift but it doesn’t seem to be keyed to do that or anything.
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Anyone have a good reason that Jabba's bed moves left and right? It's on some kind of track like the Jail door... it moves... I can't figure out why. Jabba doesn't need it to move. It doesn't seem to make sense to me.
According to the instructions it says, "Slide Jabba's dias back and forth to scan for shady denizens." It's clearly a shady denizens detector. Duh.
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Oh man I didn’t even open the directions haha. Hmmm. Sliding side to side scans for shady denizens?
Awfully judgmental for a gangster. 😕
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Anyone have a good reason that Jabba's bed moves left and right? It's on some kind of track like the Jail door... it moves... I can't figure out why. Jabba doesn't need it to move. It doesn't seem to make sense to me.
Feng shui.
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He is dealing with lots of stress, and likes things neat but functional.
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Huttin' ain't easy.
I bought one of those recordable sound chips and recorded 80seconds of the swanky Max Rebo pimp music from the Barge scene. It brings a tear to my eye.
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Huttin' ain't easy.
I bought one of those recordable sound chips and recorded 80seconds of the swanky Max Rebo pimp music from the Barge scene. It brings a tear to my eye.
Do you have a link or a search string I could use to find such chips?
So Hasbro responded to my message about my Yak and Jabba, they have opened a claim for me but as of yet I don’t know what that entails. Will update when I have more details.
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Here's the clip I used for audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldMenApN_Kg
And here's the result: https://www.instagram.com/p/BvCNRXKHkWh/
And here's the sound chip: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006NFHLLW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Honestly it took about 10 minutes end to end (not including the couple days to get the sound module from Amazon).
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Thanks for the links Lando. I may very well steal this idea from you. ;D I may try to work our lighting as well and put it all on the same switch.
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Thanks for the links Lando. I may very well steal this idea from you. ;D I may try to work our lighting as well and put it all on the same switch.
Please share what you do, I'd love to see it!
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That's absolutely brilliant, Lando, but that audio clip you linked to sounds weird to me. Very tinny and dissonant and seems to lack the "melody" of the barge song.
This version, for instance, sounds better to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRgyzBx5Lw&t=26s
YMMV!
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But I don't mean to be negative about what is an utterly terrific and brilliantly-executed idea!
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Yeah, I think the problem is that there's no good recording of the Sail Barge music, like the recording of the palace music you posted. I definitely have this one bookmarked to use in my palace diorama though. Once I mount the barge on my wall, it'll be my next project.
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This version may be better, but I'm not the most sensitive ear in the world. Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_UsIGlNYVk
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But I don't mean to be negative about what is an utterly terrific and brilliantly-executed idea!
Oh no problem! I'd obviously want to use the best recording I can, and they take a few minutes to rerecord.
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Yeah, I think the problem is that there's no good recording of the Sail Barge music, like the recording of the palace music you posted. I definitely have this one bookmarked to use in my palace diorama though. Once I mount the barge on my wall, it'll be my next project.
Oh, you know, I got my signals crossed. Didn't realize my link was actually the palace music, not the barge music. to me, they sound like just remixed versions of the same song, but the barge version is more, I dunno, "industrial"? With the horns/melody much more muted compared to the electronic sounds. I guess I just prefer the palace version. :)
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Yeah, the palace songs are pretty excellent.
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Yeah, the palace songs are pretty excellent.
Well, the original palace songs. :)
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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/dragonquad/Barge/IMG_3968_1.jpg)
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^ nice
Threw this in the "Vintage Collection Rumors" thread, but it probably belongs more here. This is a totally nerdy spreadsheet I threw together that has everyone in the palace, on the barge, or on one of the skiffs. Some characters move from scene to scene, so you'll see checkmarks where they show up. I created this as sort of shopping list for myself, but feel free to download the modify as needed.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IdCU-wuNRV5mhjn4WOc7swe2-CXka82Y3_bihEYWdz4/edit?usp=sharing
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Anybody else having challenges getting their Vizam rail mounted gun to stay attached well? The plastic on mine is too rubbery to stay attached for long.
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Anybody else having challenges getting their Vizam rail mounted gun to stay attached well? The plastic on mine is too rubbery to stay attached for long.
Are you putting it in the right place? There's a little notch that it specifically needs to clip onto. Run your finger along the underside of the railing towards the middle of the barge and you'll feel it. Not sure if there's more than on area, but that's where I have mine
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Anybody else having challenges getting their Vizam rail mounted gun to stay attached well? The plastic on mine is too rubbery to stay attached for long.
Are you putting it in the right place? There's a little notch that it specifically needs to clip onto. Run your finger along the underside of the railing towards the middle of the barge and you'll feel it. Not sure if there's more than on area, but that's where I have mine
Yes. The problem is the "c-clamp" on the gun mount is too wide and the notch is too narrow for my gun to stay attached. I'm going to see if maybe a quick dip in some boiling water might allow me to form it a little tighter.
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I see what you're saying. Yeah, hot water might help. You could also use a staple to create kind of "c" clamp to provide enough pressure to hold it in place. The staple would be small enough to not really be visible.
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Got an update from Hasbro today on my message to them about my bad Jabba and Yak Face. They are working on procuring replacement parts and packaging. If/when they do so, they will send me replacements. But there is no timetable and ymmv
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Got an update from Hasbro today on my message to them about my bad Jabba and Yak Face. They are working on procuring replacement parts and packaging. If/when they do so, they will send me replacements. But there is no timetable and ymmv
I got a similar message today on my request for a replacement sail (my barge came with a janky sail (https://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php/topic,24913.msg613344.html#msg613344)). They'll send out a replacement sail once they have the replacement parts available.
Fingers crossed it actually happens as it's pretty disappointing to spend $500+ on a toy that arrives with messed up parts. :-\
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I sent them an e-mail describing how I did not receive my sail barge....they replied stating that I never ordered one. Details, details, details.
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I sent them an e-mail describing how I did not receive my sail barge....they replied stating that I never ordered one. Details, details, details.
Haha! They can send you one easy peasy. They are taking back ones with bad shippers and replacing those for the neurotics in the room.
Jeff - what was wrong with your Sail? I actually have not had the chance to look at the barge parts and seeing your comment has me worried. I already got bad figures, there could be more problems (ugh now I sound neurotic!)
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Jeff - what was wrong with your Sail?
Each sail has four rubber "nubs" that hold the sides of the sail to the sail frame. On one of my two sails, one corner of the sail had the fabric part of the sail mis-stitched to the rubber gasket thing that holds the nubs - the bad stitching damaged the rubber nub/gasket so when I attached it to the sail, the nub just popped off. It makes one part of the sail look 'floppy' since it's not stretched tight like the other parts.
I'll add pictures when I get a chance...
edit:
it's hard to tell from the pics, but the wonky stitching damaged the orange rubber gasket part so that the nub was only attached on one part of the gasket (the area it was attached looks white in the pics) allowing it to pop off when the sail was pulled tight across the frame.
here's the pics -
(https://jedidefender.com/jsmentek/photos/tn_bargesail_E9124.JPG) (https://jedidefender.com/jsmentek/photos/bargesail_E9124.JPG) (https://jedidefender.com/jsmentek/photos/tn_bargesail_E9127.JPG) (https://jedidefender.com/jsmentek/photos/bargesail_E9127.JPG)
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I sent them an e-mail describing how I did not receive my sail barge....they replied stating that I never ordered one. Details, details, details.
Haha! They can send you one easy peasy. They are taking back ones with bad shippers and replacing those for the neurotics in the room.
Jeff - what was wrong with your Sail? I actually have not had the chance to look at the barge parts and seeing your comment has me worried. I already got bad figures, there could be more problems (ugh now I sound neurotic!)
Yeah, like the scalper on RS who unashamedly has four barges under a tarp that he's selling on eBay, but wants to swap out for more pristine boxes, or maybe just boxes he can sell. They let anyone in over there.
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I honestly can't recall if we even have any OUS forum members active here anymore, but in case we do, here's your reminder that if you live in Australia, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, or the UK, your window to buy the Sail Barge opens this Thursday:
HasLab Vintage Collection Jabba's Sail Barge via eBay.com (https://www.ebay.com/itm/153416099225)
Hasbro says ordering will go live Thursday, 3/28, at 3PM EST (7PM GMT). Also, please note that orders of more than 1 Barge or any orders with a US or Canadian shipping address will not be processed.
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I like to think HWR is on here still, if only to longingly admire OCB from afar.
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Wow, Hasbro burned through their international allotment of Barges (looks like 400 sold) in less than ten minutes.
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You have to think this is a good sign for Hasbro to produce more.
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I’m thinking they’re going to keep making them until demand wanes, and it ultimately won’t be as rare as we expected.
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I’d be fine with that but right now I’m not betting on it.
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Got an update from Hasbro today on my message to them about my bad Jabba and Yak Face. They are working on procuring replacement parts and packaging. If/when they do so, they will send me replacements. But there is no timetable and ymmv
I got a similar message today on my request for a replacement sail (my barge came with a janky sail (https://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php/topic,24913.msg613344.html#msg613344)). They'll send out a replacement sail once they have the replacement parts available.
Update - I received the new sail from Hasbro.
They sent me a new orange sail, but not the plastic ribs that go with it. Instructions were to take the ribs off the old sail and use them with the new one... but that's when I learned that all those plastic ribs were cut to fit at the factory for each sail to be sure they fit snug. I thought they'd be a standard size, but I guess they are custom cut to fit any imperfections in the way the sails were sewn.
As a result of each sail being ever so slightly different, only maybe half of the ribs fit on the new sail. The other half were all too long (by 1-2mm). The 'long' ribs bowed up and didn't lay flat when I tried to get the sail on the frame so I had to trim them. Long story short, after a bit of trial and error, it all worked out and my barge finally has two sails.
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Got an update from Hasbro today on my message to them about my bad Jabba and Yak Face. They are working on procuring replacement parts and packaging. If/when they do so, they will send me replacements. But there is no timetable and ymmv
I got a similar message today on my request for a replacement sail (my barge came with a janky sail (https://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php/topic,24913.msg613344.html#msg613344)). They'll send out a replacement sail once they have the replacement parts available.
Update - I received the new sail from Hasbro.
They sent me a new orange sail, but not the plastic ribs that go with it. Instructions were to take the ribs off the old sail and use them with the new one... but that's when I learned that all those plastic ribs were cut to fit at the factory for each sail to be sure they fit snug. I thought they'd be a standard size, but I guess they are custom cut to fit any imperfections in the way the sails were sewn.
As a result of each sail being ever so slightly different, only maybe half of the ribs fit on the new sail. The other half were all too long (by 1-2mm). The 'long' ribs bowed up and didn't lay flat when I tried to get the sail on the frame so I had to trim them. Long story short, after a bit of trial and error, it all worked out and my barge finally has two sails.
Glad to hear you got your replacement Sail Jeff. Unfortunate you had to go to extra lengths to get it to work, but at least you’ve got it all done now. Did Hasbro alert you that the Sail was on the way or did it just show up?
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Did Hasbro alert you that the Sail was on the way or did it just show up?
It just showed up at the house with no email notice or anything - box return label was from Cartamundi in East Longmeadow, MA (which is Hasbro's old card/game facility that Cartamundi bought from them in 2015).
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Did Hasbro alert you that the Sail was on the way or did it just show up?
It just showed up at the house with no email notice or anything - box return label was from Cartamundi in East Longmeadow, MA (which is Hasbro's old card/game facility that Cartamundi bought from them in 2015).
Good to know, gives me hope for a replacement Jabba
That’s the same facility that was on the label for when Hasbro sent me replacement plastic balls for their Playskool line when my daughter lost one for a Cookie Monster toy. Must be where their customer support is based out of.
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Ever since the sail barge was announced and I backed it, I've been planning to mount it to the wall. Two heavy duty steel brackets and four toggle bolts, and it's good to go. Check it out here. (https://www.instagram.com/p/BvrcCH_njdk/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=3g71aupcuvr0)
Here's the image...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190331/8b4827c7beaa2f1672ed20e503c4fc2b.jpg)
It's just sitting on the brackets, so it can be lifted off whenever I need to move it, and the panels are all accessible even when it's on the brackets. The width is a little irregular, so I ended up ordering one 14" and one 13.25" brackets.
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That looks fantastic Lando, very classy display.
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That looks cool man! I'd love to see just the bracket behind it to know what you did there.
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That does look very cool man. That's so far the best display of a barge I've seen, seriously.
I've seen some that are such a cluster... Guys cramming every figure imaginable onto it, and that's not a good look so far that I've seen. THAT though is really cool.
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That does look very cool man. That's so far the best display of a barge I've seen, seriously.
I've seen some that are such a cluster... Guys cramming every figure imaginable onto it, and that's not a good look so far that I've seen. THAT though is really cool.
Thanks guys! And yeah Jesse, I've seen some jam packed setups so far.
These are the brackets I used, if anyone is interested. I mounted them with four toggle bolts, and they're nice and secure. The back of the barge is slightly wider, so I used two different depths of brackets: 14" and 13.25".
https://www.etsy.com/listing/658743560/heavy-duty-shelf-brackets-iron-shelf?ref=pla_similar_listing_top-2&pro=1&frs=1
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Toggle bolts... so right into the drywall then... that's tempting. Any chance you could put up a photo of how the brackets fit the barge underneath?
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Home Depot has plenty of great drywall anchors. If you look at my collection pictures, I used them on all the brackeless shelves in my office.
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Toggle bolts... so right into the drywall then... that's tempting. Any chance you could put up a photo of how the brackets fit the barge underneath?
It's a bit tough to post images from my phone (we should really think about getting this forum on Tapatalk), but there's an image here...
https://twitter.com/MisterSkeezler/status/1112403279076577282?s=09
And these are the toggle bolts I used...
https://goo.gl/images/gqMND8
Just got them right into the plasterboard. All in all, the barge isn't that heavy, and toggle bolts can hold more than just the barge and a bunch of figures just fine.
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Nice work on the brackets. That blends in nicely.
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One more question, I'm guessing it doesn't have to be precise if the barge just sits on top, but how much space is between the two brackets on yours?
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One more question, I'm guessing it doesn't have to be precise if the barge just sits on top, but how much space is between the two brackets on yours?
I tried to get them as close to where the "feet" plug in, because I figured that would jive with what Hasbro planned for structurally. So the brackets are on the inside of where the feet areas are. The back side has some detailing that the bracket fits between, but the front is much more forgiving.
Here's a shot that shows exactly where I put them...
(https://i.imgur.com/VvQIIn9.jpg)
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Okay awesome, and thanks again.
I'm thinking this is probably what I'm going to end up doing.
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Okay awesome, and thanks again.
I'm thinking this is probably what I'm going to end up doing.
Be careful, because now I'm looking a bunch of other things and trying to come up with mounting solutions for them (looking at you, big Slave-1). I'm also looking at the screw holes in the brackets themselves and thinking of some sort of swivel arm for the upcoming skiffs. That might not happen, but I'm tempted as long as it's not too much forward weight.
Post pics when you're done! Oh, and be sure to tighten the toggle bolts by hand. You can get them nice and tight, but a screwgun has too much torque and can overtighten and weaken the wall.
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Cool - my only dilemma is whether I'm doing this now or after we buy a place next year. So those photos might be awhile out. :)
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An update on my conversation with Hasbro customer support about my Jabba. While I was at Celebration, they sent me a message saying they could exchange my Jabba for a new one. So they provided a pre-paid postage label and today I was able to get the Hutt packed up and shipped back to them. Interestingly enough, the label had their Pawtucket main office as the delivery address. So hopefully, that will get this moving and I receive a more pleasant to the eye crime lord.
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Well I got a replacement Jabba in the mail today and he is not more eye pleasing. As you can see, not only does the replacement have less weathering/detailing than my first one, he has a big paint blemish above his mouth and to the side of the left nostril. Plus damaged paint and poor application elsewhere. I am not happy with how this turned out, but also don’t think going to Hasbro is beneficial to anyone. Sigh, FML as the kids say...
(https://i.ibb.co/k8cd65J/48-CAC8-DE-D617-445-C-8140-1-D55839-A09-E4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gTgnFmd)
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This is a random question, but does anyone know what the cost/duty fees were for Jabba's Sail Barge? P&TY
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For getting one sent overseas? No clue... not cheap from what I’ve heard though. People overseas have passed on US sales because the shipping I guess made it so prohibitive (on top of what the seller wanted I assumed).
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I've had mine up on eBay for months now but I don't think I'm ever going to get rid of the %$^&*( thing. I have it listed for local pick-up only though; no shipping, so I'm sure that's a big drawback. No way I am shipping that thing though.
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Can't say I'm shocked someone in picking up distance isn't ready to buy one. What makes it a &#$\%× thing?
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For getting one sent overseas? No clue... not cheap from what I’ve heard though. People overseas have passed on US sales because the shipping I guess made it so prohibitive (on top of what the seller wanted I assumed).
Yeah, specifically for Canada. A buddy of mine was trying to gauge how much the upcoming Haslab Unicron is going to cost to ship up north. I’ll either be buried with my Barge or my kids can have it. LOL
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Yeah I think the local pickup is killing it. They sell regularly still for the $1000 range...
I wouldn’t wanna sell one on eBay either though.
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Can't say I'm shocked someone in picking up distance isn't ready to buy one. What makes it a &#$\%× thing?
I’m not shocked either, but it has still grown tiresome. I’m ready to be rid of it already. i figured at some point someone within a couple hundred miles would take a run at it. 13 watchers though so we’ll see.
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So my wife recently find out that her job (which was temporarily at home due to COVID stuff), is now going to be permanently at home. As such, we are in the process of redoing our office to make it a nicer workspace for her. That means removing most of my collection and setting up stuff to display in our basement.
All that to say…. and news flash here I know….this barge is a behemoth to display. I’ve been going for sort of a “less clutter” approach to display lately, so I’m in the process of deciding what stays out. This thing can really only fit in a handful of places. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy I have it and think it is a great piece, but it really is difficult for someone like me (with a modest sized home) to display.
I think the overall lack of room has encouraged me to finally unload my prequel era ships. Things like that I had always held onto because “someday I’ll have room to display all of this”. But as I’ve gotten older really I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t know if I want that much stuff out, and I’d never have the room if I did. Again, love the barge and everything, but you really do have to have a space for it.
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Brian, just put an addition on the house. Problem solved!
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For people who have been in this hobby as long as most of us have, space is a struggle we all have to deal with.
I'm curious Brian, do you consider the Razor Crest an OT vehicle since the Mandalorian takes place so close to the OT?
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I think the overall lack of room has encouraged me to finally unload my prequel era ships. Things like that I had always held onto because “someday I’ll have room to display all of this”. But as I’ve gotten older really I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t know if I want that much stuff out, and I’d never have the room if I did. Again, love the barge and everything, but you really do have to have a space for it.
While I've got a lot of space devoted to my collection, its still finite, and I can sympathize with your pain. When I've felt the crunch at different points over the years I've pruned away different parts of my collection. For the most part I've been okay to let stuff go, but its still tough to say goodbye to stuff you sometimes worked really hard to track down.
I love the Sail Barge, so that will be sticking around long after other stuff gets the boot. Clone Wars stuff isn't at the top of my list to keep either (there is so much of it, but some is really creative), but first I'll probably let go of Legos before I get rid of any more of my 3.75" stuff.
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Sorry to hear about the collection move, but it's always an opportunity to try something new with you display. You might want to try mounting the barge to the wall as an option. I basically just have it sitting on a pair of metal brackets that I got on Etsy. If you can hit a stud, that'd be best, but if not you can use toggle bolts as well. Nice and sturdy, and looks good!
Wall-mounted sail barge (https://www.instagram.com/p/BvrcCH_njdk/?utm_medium=copy_link)
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I'm in the process of getting ready to move and was wondering if anyone here had disassembled this beast to pack it back in the box for moving. I'm at the point of taking down the sails and I certainly don't want to force this thing and break it. Not sure if the sail frame completely comes apart from how it was assembled or not. I managed to disassemble and rebox the Razor Crest without any issues. Just wondering if anyone had done this with the Barge to see if it is possible to rebox it entirely or if I should just pack the sail frame in a separate box.
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Eeek, let me know if you figure it out. I moved two years ago but was lucky that it was only a mile away. So it just went in the back seat of the car.
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How far is your move Ed? If it's relatively close, you might just want to move it yourself. If you're moving 2.3 the way across the country like I did last year, you might want to look at some of the videos I made about moving a collection on my YouTube channel. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyc_hHTZuUyfCNY5v5-Oag)
Reach out if you have any questions you think I could help with.
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Ed, clearly, the Barge is too much work to move. It sounds very difficult. I'll have to come and take it off your hands for you... :P :-*
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It won't be that far of a move. Within 30 minutes or so. Not that I'm thinking of selling it, but just for the future in case I decide to get rid of everything, I was wondering if full disassembly was possible to put everything back in the original packaging. So far, it is mostly disassembled. Only things I haven't tried yet are the above mentioned sail posts...not really sure if the top portion can be separated from the main beam...and the feet underneath. Everything else has come apart with no issue and is put back into the original packaging. I just didn't want to force the thing and break something.
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I would focus on taking the side fins off and the sails. I just took the sails off last week to vacuum them, so it's pretty easy. The other thing I would make sure you take out are the three little pieces that plug into the bottom. They're all towards the back and they're small and could be easily lost. Once you do that, take the guns and cannon off the upper deck and wrap the thing in some bubble wrap or paper or something like that. Should be easy enough.
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I decided to just pack the sail frames separately. Looking at assembly videos, I don't think they would come apart easily. Everything else came apart with no problem and was relatively easy to put back into the original packaging.
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The dead ithorian in the barge... he's molded to the ground yeah? I wanted to take him out to put him on my shelves but he doesn't seem to budge where his legs are touching the ground, despite seeming to have limited articulation otherwise?
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The dead ithorian in the barge... he's molded to the ground yeah?
I don't recall the exact details, but I believe he's got a peg on him that is secured to the barge somehow. I know a few people were going to try to get him out so they could scan him for 3-D printing purposes, but not sure if anyone found a way to safely remove him or not. I guess you could try googling to see if someone found an easy way to get him out of jail/
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Yeah I didn't have any luck looking it up. It's all good, I don't want to mess with it.