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Jayson seemed to indicate that Amazon's pricing algorithm might be taking GameStop's higher pricing into account and adjusting accordingly.

I've seen evidence of the GameStop pricing myself!  I spotted the deluxe Momaw Nadon on the pegs there for $34.99!  The price is lower if you're part of their rewards program - $33 and change.  And if you use your monthly $5 off coupon it lessens the blow of that price tag.  But it certainly won't make you happy.

As for the TVC basic figures?  I saw some relatively newer figures on the pegs yesterday, but no price tags.  And I'm wondering what those prices are now.

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Was talking about the HasLab with a friend at work.  He asked me a question - "Why is the fact that this is a "re-do" so upsetting to us?"

He pointed out that quite a few other HasLab projects were "re-dos" - GI Joe Skystriker; Unicron; Sentinel.  Technically the Cantina can kind of fit here too in a way.  They were all "ultimate" versions of something that was already made once upon a time.  They all funded.

I wonder why it's so disappointing that Star Wars has arrived at the same spot - an "ultimate" re-do.


It's a completely fair question, and one that bears some closer examination.  But I was also thinking about this in the context of how Hasbro has gone back and re-done all of the original vehicles from ANH through the modern era, albeit NOT as Haslab campaigns.  It's taken YEARS to do it, but bit by bit Hasbro has redone the Millennium Falcon, the X-Wing, TIE Fighter, Landspeeder, the Imperial Troop Transport, and now the Darth Vader TIE Fighter.  Sure, there's the Sandcrawler, too, but Disney addressed a larger one of those.  And the Y-Wing remains the only ANH vehicle that hasn't had a complete re-design from the ground up.  However, each of these was made in the mainline and was made available through traditional retail channels.  The other wrinkle?  When these were originally released those of us who remember that time were likely children with no spending power of our own.  That's something that I will come back to...

And then there's the Gunship.  First released in 2002, and it was a centerpiece vehicle from AOTC onwards.  Heavily featured in The Clone Wars, and it was also in the mix in ROTS, and most recently in a flashback scene in The Mandalorian season 3.  It saw 7 releases between 2002 and 2013.  Odds are that many people in this community have those releases - I myself have 6 of the 7.  I skipped the 2013 TRU exclusive TVC version for a few reasons:
-The price was $120.  I didn't see the value compared with even the later releases which had the price creep up to almost $80
-The "newness" wasn't there - I had the TLC battle packs with the bubble turrets, the figures weren't that new, and previous releases had the other features
-I was a new parent.  Discretionary spending was down and this didn't make the cut.

Do I regret skipping that TVC release?  A little, but not completely.  It's a completist thing, mostly.  But then I look at the secondary market prices for that TVC version - $500, $600, $700 or more!  And a few of the other Gunships are up there in secondary market prices, too.  I suspect these secondary market prices were part of Hasbro's calculus in moving forward with this campaign.

But the broader point?  A lot of people in the collecting community - including those in this particular corner of that universe - were adult collectors with greater spending power when the first Gunship releases were made.  Some were troop builders who bought multiples and went about making fleets of Grand Army of the Republic vehicles.  I might have had 3 of the 2002 release myself!  And this is where I think some of the discontent about this Haslab comes from - we were okay with updating a vehicle that was released in the 1970's or 1980's some 20, 30 or 40 years later.  But updating something that was released in the 2000's when we were adult collectors with that greater spending power?  I think this might be where the conflict arises for our age cohort.  But then there's a younger generation that were kids in the 2000's who have greater spending power now.  Could they be the target market?  I think that might be the case.

This is a slightly different angle, but I do want to address something that Hasbro's Chris Reiff called the original release while showing off the new version at SDCC - he called it A TOY in an almost pejorative way.  Something about that rubbed me the wrong way.  Now I appreciate the work that he has put into projects like this and the Darth Vader TIE Fighter.  Based on things he has said during the Hasbro Pulse livestreams he has been really thorough in referencing Lucasfilm's archives to make the new vehicles super accurate.  But newsflash for Chris - YOU WORK FOR A TOY COMPANY.  Collectors might not like the word, but they're TOY COLLECTORS.  And it seemed like he was diminishing people's existing collections in the process of showing off this new version.  Hasbro's attitude about TVC releases seems to have aligned somewhat with elements of the TVC collecting community that are telling them what they want to hear, and I fear that the balance between collectible and toy might be slipping in a direction that makes things inaccessible for some.

And then there's this angle - TROOP BUILDING.  Making this particular vehicle a Haslab campaign locks it behind that Haslab paywall.  I have been one of numerous voices expressing that the price seems too high.  I think the size of the vehicle puts it on par with the Razor Crest which was $350.  But this Haslab campaign means that this vehicle gets locked behind that wall.  Troop builders won't be able to pick this up at their own pace, and the price makes troop building difficult.  But I'm also mindful of this - we aren't likely to see a vehicle like this at brick & mortar retail ever again.  The last large vehicle to make it to retail was the Smuggler's Run Millennium Falcon, and that's only because overflow had it land at Target stores.

Lots of factors to think about in this situation.  And I think Hasbro might have struggled to come up with something that was a homerun for this particular Haslab campaign.  But I think the complications are something that should be discussed among collectors.

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The only figure from this line that’s got my attention right now is Captain Brutus.  Jayson posted a photo of Brutus on social media, and it looks decent.  I bought the SM-33 figure because my TVC Jod Na Nawood was getting lonely.  And Brutus would round things out. 

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This looks really cool!  But it's a reminder that Disney seems to have a lock on droids while Hasbro does other things.

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The Vintage Collection / Re: 2025 HasLab Mos Eisley Cantina
« on: July 29, 2025, 06:52 PM »
Those 30th Anniversary Collection packaged Cantina band members from Disney's Star Wars weekends with the music bases seem tailor made to augment the Cantina.  I might have to free one from its packaging.

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I knew that Reva's saber Haslab was not going to get over the line.  Dave's correct, the Force FX lightsaber market is a bit niche as it is.

That campaign probably should have been run AFTER the series had wrapped.  OR, if Hasbro was set on making an Inquisitor lightsaber?  Go with the Grand Inquisitor!  Between the initial episodes of the OWK series and his tenure on REBELS there was significantly more history for fans to go on.

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The Vintage Collection / Re: 2026 TVC Theme - Battle of Geonosis
« on: July 29, 2025, 11:16 AM »
The ROTS Ki-Adi Mundi was one of the better Jedi figures from that line, but the design of that version is in line with 2005 standards.  I think in light of The Black Series version that came out in 2024, there could be a TVC version in the works. 

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The Vintage Collection / Re: San Diego Comic Con 2025 Reveals
« on: July 26, 2025, 01:52 PM »
3 new TVC figure reveals that don't seem terribly new, along with the Jedi Spirits 3-pack.  Add on a Haslab of a vehicle that's been made in 7 different renditions previously?  And I seriously wonder how poorly Hasbro regards the critical thinking of collectors.

The ONLY thing that seemed genuinely interesting in the TVC reveals was the silhouettes of hands around the Cantina table.

As for the Battle of Geonosis?  I foresee a lot of re-releases in our future.

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Comparing this Republic Gunship with the version that was originally released in 2002 is not a fair comparison. They’re radically different offerings from one another. And I am fully mindful of the fact that the Gunship was released 7 times in various forms over the course of 11 years. The final version sold for over $100 and was the first to include the ball turrets plus 3 figures. Meanwhile the secondary market price for the TVC version has exploded - some have sold for over $700!

Where I will take Hasbro to task is over RELATIVE value with comparable Haslab items. Such as? THE RAZOR CREST. That came out 3 years ago and cost $100 less. And I would argue that it was a far better value for customers.  Did Disney have a hand in setting the price there?  Perhaps, since it was a vehicle from a new show, and it was promptly blown up in season 2!  But it helped to promote the show.

But back to the Gunship.  Does it look really cool?  Absolutely.  And the features are great.  However, I cannot get over the fact that Hasbro is revisiting a ship that has been released so much as the Republic Gunship was between 2002 and 2013.  Secondary market prices considered, there are plenty of them out there.  The only comparable situation with the number of releases that comes to mind to me is with the Millennium Falcon.  It was released by Kenner in Star Wars, TESB and ROTJ packaging in the vintage era.  And then in the POTF2 era, plus the OTC version with added electronics.  The 2008 Legacy Collection version was a massive leap forward from that original Kenner mold to something completely new.  But the Millennium Falcon demanded it because the ship was like a character itself.  And so that BMF Falcon saw re-releases in TVC packaging twice - the last time with a massive price tag.  Was the Falcon part of the reasoning for Hasbro to increase prices so much?

Personally?  I blame some of the TVC crowd - influencers especially - who are essentially shouting "Shut up and take my money!"  when it comes to Vintage Collection pricing.  I know there were some focus groups held by Hasbro recently.  I got a questionnaire that led me to believe Hasbro wanted some feedback on that front.  And one of the screening questions was "What is the most you've ever spent on a single item?".   Hmmmm.  That kind of leads you to believe that Hasbro is looking at Haslab like a significant profit center.

I'm having a difficult time deciding whether or not to back this campaign.

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The Vintage Collection / Re: San Diego Comic Con 2025 Reveals
« on: July 25, 2025, 12:00 PM »
Someone pointed out that the Han Solo in the case has brown pants, and it looks a lot like the ROTJ version from last year.


I sure hope they unveil more… it’s freaking Comic Con after all.

I kind of miss the days where we’d get tons of reveals at Toy Fair and at SDCC.  Seeing a figure here and two figures there all year long feels less exciting to me.

I hope so!  There were A LOT of Pipeline Reveals at SDCC last year, but only 3 or 4 new figure reveals that had pre-orders that followed soon thereafter.  But with the Pipeline Reveals largely gone from the way Hasbro announces new releases, I wonder how they're going to proceed?

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The Vintage Collection / Re: 2025 TVC Jedi Sprits 3-Pack
« on: July 25, 2025, 11:37 AM »
If only that Palpatine behind that set was TVC.  :'(

YES!  That version of Palpatine has been at the top of my TVC want list for YEARS.  Hopefully the fact that Hasbro has made the tooling for a TBS version means that they'll eventually release a TVC rendition.

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The Vintage Collection / Re: San Diego Comic Con 2025 Reveals
« on: July 25, 2025, 11:36 AM »
I think the Han Solo & Chewbacca figures HAVE to be revealed.  That Pipeline Reveal announcement was now over a year ago.

The Jedi Spirits were a welcome surprise.  As was the alternate head option for Anakin.

As for anything else?  There are some named characters on the Yakface TVC rumor list that I'm hoping to see.  But who knows just how much will get revealed today, and how much will be held back for Hasbro Pulse Con.

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The Vintage Collection / Re: Big Items of the Future!
« on: July 19, 2025, 05:53 PM »
I'm honestly having a hard time thinking of a vehicle that I think they'd sell that would require a Haslab to get made... U-Wing and Marauder are the best guesses I've heard, but I don't know that either has big widespread appeal.

I could see the Imperial Shuttle getting a massive update and being too intense for stores...

Maybe a new Republic Gunship?

The Republic Gunship presents similar questions to the U-Wing - it's a class of vehicle, and not just one individual ship.  How many of that original mold do collectors from the PT era own?  I'm pretty sure I bought at least 2 or 3 of the original 2002 version.  And overall that Gunship base vehicle was released in repainted and retooled versions at least 7 times.  With a vehicle like that which has yielded so many releases I can't imagine Hasbro would lock a new version behind a Haslab wall.

I think the best options that I can see are these:

-Imperial Lambda class shuttle - Even though it's a class of vehicle an ultimate version would be well received since the ship shows up in the OT and current media)
-Luthen Rael's Fondor Haulcraft - I think this could be the odds on favorite.  Sentiment about ANDOR is running really high and this ship was pretty spectacular in season 1
-Marauder - The Bad Batch doesn't seem to be going away.  In fact, it seems like Hasbro's interest in the series might be picking up with Crosshair on the way along with rumors of two more figures.  Plus think of all of the Clones and TK troopers they could offer in conjunction with this.
-Ahsoka's T-6 shuttle - The T-6 has seen extensive action in Tales of the Jedi, The Clone Wars and now Ahsoka.  It doubles as both a vehicle and playset.  It's got to be under consideration.


Special dispensation goes to the U-Wing.  I'm going against my own methodology, but the appearance of the ship in ANDOR season 2 is significant.  And while it's part of a class of ship serving in the Rebel Alliance fleet, there are not a lot of them.

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The Vintage Collection / Re: Big Items of the Future!
« on: July 16, 2025, 12:39 PM »
I'm betting it's a ship.  Which? No idea, but if they went with the Marauder, then they could finish out the rest of the Bad Batch

Could be a new U-Wing to go with all of the awesome Andor figures they've made and have pipelined  ;D

I'm personally just fine with the U-Wing we've got right now.  I know its way small, and there isn't a lot to it, but I don't need something twice as big and slightly fancier for $400.

No offense Dave, but the ROGUE ONE U-Wing was trash.  Hasbro gave us a single seat fighter with a Nerf action feature.  The ship as designed for ROGUE ONE has a cockpit built for a pilot and co-pilot, a comms station, a troop bay that can accomodate perhaps 8 - 12 troopers, and a mount for a door gunner.  Inadequate doesn't seem to sufficiently capture the state of things between the ship that's appeared in numerous shows and what Hasbro delivered in 2016.

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The Vintage Collection / Re: Big Items of the Future!
« on: July 15, 2025, 02:20 PM »
I'm wondering if the Star Wars team waits for the ongoing G.I. Joe Haslab campaign to end first?  Having concurrent campaigns might dilute the potential customer base.

So if it's not at SDCC, when?  Hasbro Pulse Con began as an in person event prior to the pandemic, but it's been an online event ever since.  That's likely in the middle of September.  After that the next big event is NY Comic Con which takes place October 9 - 12.

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