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Community => JD Sports Forum! => Topic started by: Morgbug on January 31, 2003, 10:44 PM
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well, right now. But hey, they are doing better than they were. Not in the lottery anymore as I understand it, right?
remember, you asked JM. ;D :P
when Irish eyes are cryin'... :'(
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Oh dear... I didn't expect that quite so quickly or harshly Brent! But welcome aboard anyways!
At least my boys spanked Sacto pretty badly tonight while the silly little Celtic gals got annihilated by 52 points by the Pistons - at home! :o Wow! Haven't seen a blow out like that in many years... And this 1-15 shooting Antoine Walker is actually an All-Star?!
Anyways, glad to see you stop by B. Now go slap a copy of your trading list in the forums, and I might just hook you up with that Holiday Droid set! ;)
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Hey Brent, thanks for stopping on by! I'll stick with you on the Lakers sucking, they are the suckiest suckers that have ever sucked. But I cannot pledge allegiance to the Celts either, my boys the T-Pups seemed to have turned it up a notch and are pushing for home court in the first round. Maybe then we will make it to Round #2
BTW...Moe's is still available, sweet, sweet Duff, how good would Casual Homer look in that playset??? ;D
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You sir may stop that right now. Thank you for the welcome. One more McFarlane series and then I can save some money for a new puter.
JediMac, I would respectfully ask that you not pollute my trading threads with your west coast rhetoric. Jeez, whaddid they do, reach 500 or something? I can hear the chants all the way from the coast.
We're out of the lottery! We're out of the lottery! ;D :P
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The Utah Jazz suck also! >:( >:( >:(
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JediMac, I would respectfully ask that you not pollute my trading threads with your west coast rhetoric. Jeez, whaddid they do, reach 500 or something? I can hear the chants all the way from the coast.
We're out of the lottery! We're out of the lottery! ;D :P
What on earth might you possibly be referring to Brent? :P Just checked your trading thread here, and aside from it looking a little empty and lonely, it looks just fine - no West Coast rhetoric that I can see. Maybe you're just getting confused again. Happens sometimes at your age... ;D Besides, I would never stoop so low as to hijack somebody's trading thread somewhere just to say Celtics suck, or anything to that effect! :D What kind of pathetic loser would that make me (no need to answer that, thank you)?! Sheesh. That would almost be as bad as getting benched for the All-Star game, like Antoine Walker did... :P
And for the record, my Lakers are now above .500, and back in cruise control on their way to #4! The only tiny little chance the Western Conference foes actually had against the Lakers in the playoffs just got wiped out when Commissioner Stern changed the first round of the playoffs from 5 games back to 7 games this past weekend. That just sealed the deal. Game over. Thank you very much. Come again... :)
BTW Obi-Juan, sorry to hear you're a Jazz fan. Must've been a rough couple of decades for you, huh? Talk to Scott though, as he could certainly offer some kind words of encouragement in this area (re: Vikings)... :o ;)
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I agree that the Lakers still suck but I just wanted to give some props out to my beloved T-Wolves. They have really turned it on with the comeback of Wally Sczerbiak and are poised to make a run at the #2-#4 seed in the West and they are doing it all without their #1 point guard and #2 money earner Terrell Brandon. How anyone can think anybody but Kevin Garnett should be the MVP is ludicrous, and don't even start saying Crybabe Bryant
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You still on the anti-Kobe kick of yours, Scott? Man, the kid just dropped 51 points in 31 minutes last night, and has been averaging well over 40 points over his last 7 or so games. The kid's just sick! MVP all the way! Though I'm not opposed to the idea of giving Garnett the runner up status. Besides, when's the last time you heard Kobe make a stink about anything? He lost the cry-baby status last year I think. Still makes the occasional face at the refs on some non-calls, but not much more than that...
And I'll also have to respectfully disagree again that the Lakers are no longer sucking! 7 in a row, and the Lake Show steamroller is back in full effect again! Watch out league! Now that we've got the machine well oiled again, and with the lengthening of the first round of the playoffs from 5 to 7 games (thanks Stern!), there's virtually nothing that can stop us at this point aside from a major injury to Kobe or Shaq...
Can you say 4-peat? I know I sure can. ;D
They better, to make up for my Raiders goofing the whole Super Bowl up! >:(
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The T-Wolves would be in LeBron Jamesville if not for KG, the Lakers would be stilla round .500 without Crybaby just because of Shaq-Fu.
Dallas 38 12 .760 -
Sacramento 35 17 .673 4
San Antonio 34 16 .680 4
Portland 32 17 .653 5 1/2
Minnesota 31 20 .608 7 1/2
Utah 30 21 .588 8 1/2
Phoenix 29 22 .569 9 1/2
Houston 27 23 .540 11
LA Lakers 26 23 .531 11 1/2
The highest I see them getting is a #4 seed and that is a lot of teams to jump with 33 games to play. Hopefully they don't tailspin again or it may be lottery time!!!
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I see ya' comin' Brent! Better watch it... :-X
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Ah, chickened out, huh? Wise choice Mr. Leprechaun lover! ;D
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>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :-X
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Looks more and more like the T-Pups will be playing at home or on the road against Portland, I don't think the Spurs, Mavs or Kings are catchable. I like their chance against the Blazers...could be a second round matchup against the Mavs which will be AWESOME
The Lakers might just be able to get LeBron after all, oh wait the Lottery isn't fixed is it??? Lottery here we come!!!
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Lakers do suck. Didn't the Bulls beat them in the Finals before? hehehe
What a sweet year that was!
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Well it looks like the Lakers will make the playoffs, nagnabbit. That doesn't mean and early first round exit against the road tough Spurs won't be in order.
I don't think they have any chance of making it higher than a 6 seed with 16 games left and 4 behind the Wolves and Blazers...
I will relent that perhaps Kobe is now ahead of KG in the MVP race but Tim Duncan and T-Mac also deserve some consideration
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Wow, that's some surprising acknowledgement from one of the Kid's not so favorite fans...
Oddly enough, I was just starting to think the opposite over the last couple of weeks. I was starting to think that KG was probably the MVP front runner at this point. Especially now that Shaq's decided to finally step up and get involved with things, to the point where the spotlight isn't quite as focused on Kobe now, not to mention his stats have fallen off quite a lot since his 40 point streak ended a few weeks ago. But yeah, T-Mac and Duncan should definitely make a good battle for third place though...
I still think the Lakers will slip past the Wolves for that 5 spot though. Hopefully the Blazers will find another way to internally combust as well. They ALWAYS find a way to fall apart late in the season.
Heck, even Brent's boys in the East are makin' a move, now that all the heavy weights out there have been sliding dramatically out there over the past month. I'd still love to rekindle that old Lakers vs. Celtics rivalry! :) I guess that tomorrow night will do for now though.
See you tomorrow Morgbug! You KNOW what's going to be waiting in here for you when you arrive... 8) Don't chicken out on me now... :P
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Hey there, I won't chicken out, I'll just happen to be on an airplane on my way to Madison. I may not be able to come in here for a couple of days to heap the abuse on to you that you will so richly deserve, so hopefully Scott will be a temporary Celtics fan for me tomorrow.
Wanna bet? Your wife for my poster?
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Wanna bet? Your wife for my poster?
No way! You've got to throw in your Canadian Dagobah Vader with the Luke reveal sticker as well, if you want me to take that bet. My wife for just a poster... ::) Sheesh! You Canuckleheads just think you can get away with anything, dontchya?!
Convenient timing on your out of town trip there Brent. I suppose you planned your flight so you'd be in the air as all of the nasty business was going down courtesy of my boys, right? Even more chicken than I thought... :-\
Madison, huh? Scott, why don't you tell Brent here what kind of stuff they like to do in Wisconsin... ;) Uh, actually, maybe not... Isn't Wayne from Wisconsin, or is he just a Packers fan? Can't recall right now...
Anyways, don't forget to pick yourself up some nice Stateside SW souvenirs Brent! You have already mapped out all of the TRUs, Targets, WMs, and KBs in the area, right? :D
I'll be anxiously awaiting your return... You know where to find me! 8)
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Did someone say Canadian Dagobah Vader with the Luke reveal sticker. ;D (http://www.snowtroopers.ca/forumicons/Bolt.gif)
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Time to drag this bad boy back up to the top... ;D
Game 1 - MN 88, LAK 74
Game 2 - ?
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The NBA has lost me so even as a Laker fan I really don't care how they do.
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Did anyone here have plans to see the xmas game at abc; Heat Vs. Lakers. This game sounds good when the season start, right now this game sucks to the max.
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im watching it since the LAKERS WILL BEAT MIAMI! ;)
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Sorry, it's been a busy weekend...
Game 1 - MN 88, LAK 74
Game 2 - MN 113, LAK 108
Still sucking... :-*
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Ok, now I'll watch the xmas games at abc, they add Detroit Vs. Spurs.... This sounds like conference finals.
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Game 1 - MN 88, LAK 74
Game 2 - MN 113, LAK 108
Game 3 - MN 95, LAK 82
Still sucking and still no response from my favorite LAkers fan... :-*
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Game 1 - MN 88, LAK 74
Game 2 - MN 113, LAK 108
Game 3 - MN 95, LAK 82
Still sucking and still no response from my favorite LAkers fan... :-*
ur lucky Kobe got kicked in the nose, so he couldnt concentrate on the game but his sexiness ::)
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Game 1 - MN 88, LAK 74
Game 2 - MN 113, LAK 108
Game 3 - MN 95, LAK 82
Still sucking and still no response from my favorite LAkers fan... :-*
I thought for sure I'd get a response after Sunday afternoon...
MN 27, Rams 13
I know you're out there.... I saw you reading the other day. :P
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Kobe goes for 62 against the Mavs. :o
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Game 1 - MN 88, LAK 74
Game 2 - MN 113, LAK 108
Game 3 - MN 95, LAK 82
Still sucking and still no response from my favorite LAkers fan... :-*
Sorry, my bad! For whatever reason, I haven't ducked into the Sports Board here for a while, despite watching it nearly every night on TV. Anyway...
Yes, the Wolves have had our number all year. In two of those three games we had 14+ point leads mid-way through the third quarters, looking like we had the game well in hand. Only to tank the fourth. But yes, you guys own us right now. As for the Rams, ppphhhththht.
But, as for the Lakers in general, they've finally turned things around after a very poor and sloppy start. Near the end of that 3-8 slide that we had, even Kobe's biggest fans and supporters (including myself) were starting to rip him after averaging 36 shots a game and about 37% shooting. ::)
But then that beautiful 5-1 road trip happened, and a couple wins over Dallas the past week, and now all seems to be back to normal - thank God. Last night's game was just crazy, where Kobe got sick on the Mav's for 62 points in just 3 quarters. Would've been more fun if it wasn't a 30 point blowout so Kobe could've continued playing, and go for more... Hell, he outscored the Mavericks team all by himself when he came out at the end of the third - 62 to 61. Not bad! :P
Anyway, I'll try to chime my sorry butt in here more often - whether the Lakers are sucking ass or playing well. Just been rather lazy of late...
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I was disappointed they didn't leave Bryant in. I thought he had a genuine shot at Chamberlain's record.
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I was disappointed they didn't leave Bryant in. I thought he had a genuine shot at Chamberlain's record.
bad things usually happen when guys try to pad their numbers. i know i have lost my cool and thrown some hard fouls when i have had to guard guys i just couldn't handle.
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Kobe got suspended for two games for his elbow into Miller's throat. Kobe's comments;
Any player that was going to come down the lane at that point in time, I was going to let him know that he just can't walk through there," Bryant said. "I think we as a team have to do a better job of establishing that. And me, as a leader of the ballclub, I've got to take the initiative to do that - and hopefully, everybody will see that. This being our home court, people come here and think it's Hollywood and all sorts of stuff, so they think they'll come down (the lane) and look pretty and shoot jump shots and dunk the ball and finger-roll the ball and do all sorts of cute stuff. And we've got to stop that.
Good for him. If that is how he plays "tough defense in the lane," then he'll be playing in 1/3 of the remaining Laker game.
Play 1 game, sit out 2 games,
Play 1 game, sit out 2 games,
Play 1 game, sit out 2 games,
Play 1 game, sit out 2 games
What a thug. >:(
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GO LAKERS!
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kobe finally got what he wanted. he is a one man show.
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I was disappointed they didn't leave Bryant in. I thought he had a genuine shot at Chamberlain's record.
Really? I know the guy was hot and the Mavs couldn't stop him, but to just tie Chamberlain's record, Kobe would've had to score 38 points in the fourth quarter. The record for most points in a quarter is 33 (held by George "The Iceman" Gervin). I don't care if Kobe didn't miss a shot the rest of the way, scoring 38 points in one quarter would've been next to impossible. Most teams rarely score 38 points in a quarter anymore. I think that 80 points would've been realistic. Seeing that only four players in history have cracked 70 points, and Wilt's 100-point game is the only game over 80, leaving him in to reach 80 would've been something.
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i retrospect i guess it would have been nice to see what happened, but i would bet he would not have gotten 80. now he has the bragging rights to not knowing what amazing things he might have done, but more realistically he probably would have gotten a concussion from a guy more than willing to take a double t to stop the grand standing.
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Kobe Bryant just became the third person in NBA history to have 4 straight games of scoring over 45 points. Like him or not, that's impressive.
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seems like allen iverson did that too a few years ago when he was just padding his numbers on a suck ass team too.
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Nope. He scored over 40 a bunch of games in a row, but he never did this. The other two were Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor.
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OMG! Kobe goes for 81 against the Raptors.
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That was absolutely insane to watch... :o
Relatively tame first half for Kobe with "just" 26 points, but then he blew up for 27 in the third quarter and 28 in the 4th. Sick. They needed most of 'em too, since the Lakers were down by 18 at one point against the Raptors, and the game was still close early in the 4th, so Kobe single-handedly pulled this one out, which was much needed since we'd already dropped 2 in a row. The rest of our team was looking like **** too, so there just wasn't any point for Kobe to defer to them tonight.
28 for 46 shooting, 18 for 20 from the line, 7 of 13 from behind the arc = 81 points... 2nd most in NBA history.
This almost makes up for the Mavericks game last month, when Kobe came out after 3 quarters with 62 points, since it was a blowout.
In the press conference, Kobe even threw in a couple of Star Wars quotes too. He mentioned Phil Jackson and him are basically always so in tune with eachother that they're "like Jedi". Then he also mentioned that Tex Winter was like Yoda. Good stuff...
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I'll have to keep an eye on ESPN Classic. It's a given that they'll be running this game sometime soon. I'll have to record that one.
Damn.
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Amazing feat, even from a Spurs fan. :o
More impressive that the Lakers won. ;)
But as the topic indicates.......
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Kobe is sick. 81 points is just unreal.
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Kobe is sick. 81 points is just unreal.
Exactly. When I first read it in print this morning, it didn't register with me what I was reading. Seeing that I wasn't alive in '62 when Wilt scored 100, that amount of points just doesn't seem possible.
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What's crazy is that he was still 19 shy of the record.
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Yeah, this is impressive. I think Jordan had 69 in one game. I figured nobody would probably get much more than that. I mean it's Jordan. But 81? Wow! Impressive this day in age.
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insane. im sad cuz i had to watch the clips on ESPN :'(
Kobe will break 100pts before he finishes his career
KOBE = MVP!
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Kobe will break 100pts before he finishes his career
KOBE = MVP!
Kobe = ball hog + Lakers are lame. Nice team game Mr. Bryant. Fascinating that Kobe and Phil are on such a plane together, maybe then can get the other four bodies on the floor to clear out every time down the floor, that'd be fun to watch ::) :P
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Kobe will break 100pts before he finishes his career
KOBE = MVP!
Kobe = ball hog + Lakers are lame. Nice team game Mr. Bryant. Fascinating that Kobe and Phil are on such a plane together, maybe then can get the other four bodies on the floor to clear out every time down the floor, that'd be fun to watch ::) :P
Brent nailed my thoughts on this
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I still don't think Kobe is going to win the MVP this year even if he does average 36 PPG. I think the award is for the player most valuable to their team, but on a team that wins. And we all know the Lakers are going nowhere. I'd say Dirk Nowitzki (31-10 Mavericks), Chauncey Billups (33-5 Pistons), Steve Nash (26-14 Suns) or even Timmy! (31-10 Spurs) is going to win the award. Even if the Lakers make the playoffs they are going out in a round or two and they are not winning a championship this year or anytime soon.
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I still don't think Kobe is going to win the MVP this year even if he does average 36 PPG. I think the award is for the player most valuable to their team, but on a team that wins. And we all know the Lakers are going nowhere. I'd say Dirk Nowitzki (31-10 Mavericks), Chauncey Billups (33-5 Pistons), Steve Nash (26-14 Suns) or even Timmy! (31-10 Spurs) is going to win the award. Even if the Lakers make the playoffs they are going out in a round or two and they are not winning a championship this year or anytime soon.
Agreed. I do think Kobe means more to his team than any of the players you mentioned, but unless they somehow manage to win close to 50 games, he won't win the MVP. And he won't break Wilt's record of 100 points. As amazing as his 81 points were, he was still 19 away from the record.
Also, let's not forget LeBron James when we talk about possible MVP candidates.
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I don't know about that guys. You stick Kobe Bryant on the most any NBA team and he would be very, very valuable don't you think?
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I don't know about that guys. You stick Kobe Bryant on the most any NBA team and he would be very, very valuable don't you think?
Of course he would. But that doesn't mean he'll win the MVP. Being a lifetime fan of Michael Jordan, I know how the voters work. Realistically, Jordan should've been the MVP every season he played in (except for his first two seasons, his first comeback season, and the Washington Wizards years) ... but he "only" won the award five times. In 1989, Jordan played point guard for half of the season. He averaged (AVERAGED!!!) 32.5 points, 8 rebounds, and 8 assits for an entire season, and he didn't win the MVP award. That year, he had something like 15+ triple doubles, and a string of 7 or 8 games straight with a TD. Still no MVP. The award doesn't always go to the best player ... as exibited last year by Steve Nash winning it.
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kobe can ball hog all he likes. nothing delights me more than seeing him score 50+ and the lakers losing.
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I don't know about that guys. You stick Kobe Bryant on the most any NBA team and he would be very, very valuable don't you think?
Of course he would. But that doesn't mean he'll win the MVP. Being a lifetime fan of Michael Jordan, I know how the voters work. Realistically, Jordan should've been the MVP every season he played in (except for his first two seasons, his first comeback season, and the Washington Wizards years) ... but he "only" won the award five times. In 1989, Jordan played point guard for half of the season. He averaged (AVERAGED!!!) 32.5 points, 8 rebounds, and 8 assits for an entire season, and he didn't win the MVP award. That year, he had something like 15+ triple doubles, and a string of 7 or 8 games straight with a TD. Still no MVP. The award doesn't always go to the best player ... as exibited last year by Steve Nash winning it.
He may or he may not. But I certaintly don't think he should be banned from the short list of MVP caliber players this year either. I am no fan of his by any means but he sure as heck can play and is quite valuable. I think he is at least up there on the MVP list for this season minus his 81 point performance the other night. That's all I meant by it.
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Mason, Paul help Hornets leapfrog Lakers in West (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260204003)
Woot.
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Kobe- DIDN't get the MVP ;D --Since the lakers are a really sub-500 team without him, he probably should have gotten it, but...I hate him so I'm glad he did not.
However, Somehow..someway Dr. Phil has been able to get Kobe to buy in the the 'share' program that's allowing the Lakers to play better team basketball in the playoffs. This coupled with the sun's never having a defense and still don't in the playoffs = Suns getting thrashed in Round 1 so far ::).
No surprise who gets to shoot game winning shots still... ::)
Hating the Lakers is a good thing ;D
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The cool thing about Jordan was the fact that he inspired other players to play better. Look at Pippen, Paxton, Grant and even B.J. Armstrong.
They all had great seasons when playing with Jordan.
Pippen fell off the face of the earth once he was traded to the Blazers.
Does Kobe have the same effect on his team mates?
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w00t ;D
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The Lakers didn't suck tonight - they were much worse than that.
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Unlike Jordan it sure didn't look like(kobe) he inspired his teamates to do anything did it?
Where's PJ's arrogant after game press speeches now...HAHA!Perfect in first round no more.
Lamar Odom..who dat? Inconsistent play all year until the final month..the playoffs bring it back to him ::). And I've actually argued with Lakers Fans at work that insist there are other players on the Lakers that can contribute besides Kobe ::)
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Lamar Odom..who dat? Inconsistent play all year until the final month..the playoffs bring it back to him ::). And I've actually argued with Lakers Fans at work that insist there are other players on the Lakers that can contribute besides Kobe ::)
I do not like the Lakers. And I do not like Kobe. But you cannot blame this on Lamar Odom, the Lakers would not have even come close to making the playoffs without him. The teams sucks, not Lamar. He really was not that inconsistent this year at all. Here is his monthly breakdown:
Min FG% REB AST STL Blk PPG
November 40.6 41.4 10.1 5.0 1.9 0.6 15.2
December 38.2 48.8 8.9 5.6 0.6 1.3 14.0
January 39.3 47.0 9.5 5.6 0.7 0.9 13.4
February 39.8 41.5 9.0 5.2 0.6 0.6 13.0
March 43.2 56.2 8.4 5.8 1.2 0.6 17.2
April 40.1 52.9 10.0 6.1 0.6 0.8 16.0
As you can see, a lot of coaches would love to have players who are "inconsistent all year long" like Lamar Odom.
:)
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I was fortunate enough to got to games 2,5,and 7. The best moment is when the Gorilla strolled down the court in front of the Lakers in the fourth quarter last night with whislte music playing (http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc157&image=79733_20060506_IMG_0169.JPG) = gone fishin!
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dont hate Kobe cuz you know u like his highlights (buzzer beater, game on the line etc) for all these years.
you have to admit, we as NBA fans missed those days when MJ did it. Now i can only think of two maybe three players that can do it (Kobe, LeBron, T-MAC)
Point is, Kobe will continue to get much better and the Lakers will hopefully mature as a team and be back in the run next year.
Kobe does motivate his teammates to be better, they just have no playoff experience as a unit combined compared to Kobe.
GO LAKERS! :)
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SpudTrooper,
You are supporting your team and I respect that. For fun this is just for you (http://www.suns.com).
dont hate Kobe cuz you know u like his highlights (buzzer beater, game on the line etc) for all these years.
you have to admit, we as NBA fans missed those days when MJ did it. Now i can only think of two maybe three players that can do it (Kobe, LeBron, T-MAC)
Point is, Kobe will continue to get much better and the Lakers will hopefully mature as a team and be back in the run next year.
Kobe does motivate his teammates to be better, they just have no playoff experience as a unit combined compared to Kobe.
GO LAKERS! :)
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GO LAKERS! :)
Yes, GO LAKERS!
Go far, far away. Especially you, Kobe. Go rape another white girl or whatever else it is that you have planned during your (thankfully) lengthy offseason.
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i want to congrats Mr. Nash for winning the MVP award..seriously well deserved :-*
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LOL!!
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dont hate Kobe cuz you know u like his highlights (buzzer beater, game on the line etc) for all these years.
you have to admit, we as NBA fans missed those days when MJ did it. Now i can only think of two maybe three players that can do it (Kobe, LeBron, T-MAC)
Point is, Kobe will continue to get much better and the Lakers will hopefully mature as a team and be back in the run next year.
Kobe does motivate his teammates to be better, they just have no playoff experience as a unit combined compared to Kobe.
GO LAKERS! :)
Kobe Bryant is no Michael Jordan. The Chicago Bulls played like a team. You remember that before you come out of your hole next season. :-*
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Kobe Bryant is no Michael Jordan. The Chicago Bulls played like a team. You remember that before you come out of your hole next season. :-*
Kobe is def not gonna be close to what MJ has accomplished. I was saying they play similar style in the ways they impact a game.
im definitely not hiding in no hole my Jedi friend. Will continue to support my team no matter what 8)
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Spud,
You know that was a charge as Nash was outside the cylinder - the refs no called, I was there. Like I said no problem with you rooting your team on bust since you want to playa hate....
Buster (http://www.13gb.com/media.php?id=250)
Brown (http://www.funnyhub.com/videos/pages/kobe-taunts-and-falls.html)
going down! (http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/nba/img9415948.jpg)
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I was so happy to see Phoenix come back and win this series, and in convincing fashion in Game 7. I have to admit, I didn't think it would happen after the Lakers took the 3-1 lead. I'm definitely not a fan of Kobe (or the Lakers necessarily - but I didn't mind them as much before Kobe), but I'll admit that he is a tremendous player. Probably the best scorer in the game, without much doubt. Best all around player? I'm not sure about that, but definitely up there. My problem is the Jordan comparisons that he gets a lot of times. I grew up watching Jordan, well before he won anything, and to me Kobe is just not on his level. He tries to imitate him a lot, particularly in his younger years, but he's starting to have a little more of his own identity lately - the past couple of years - and I respect that. But, the comparisons just aren't the same. As it was mentioned earlier, Jordan made all-stars out of Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, and made other players that were basically scrubs (Cartwright, Hodges, Hansen, Perdue, Wennington, Longley, Paxson, Kerr, etc.) look pretty darn good at their roles. Pippen (and to a lesser extent Rodman) were the only "star" players to go alongside Mike, and I would say that he elevated them to that (the evidence of Pippen's drop off when at Houston/Portland is proof of that). Plus, MJ never would have given up or stopped passing purposely in that Game 7 on Saturday to "prove a point", which even the analysts and announcers were saying Kobe did that exact thing after the game on Saturday. He needs to show a little more maturity and play better with his teammates before he can elevate himself to all he is capable of. Anyways, it was a heck of a series, and the Lakers should have earned some respect if nothing else.
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Thanks for that Kahuna! I rather enjoy watching that replay over and over ;D. The suspension was worth it for all the elbows Kobe threw that the 'superstar' status protected him from suspension. The NBA knows they can't suspend Kobe because all his 'Me, Me' fans would be in an uproar and it would guarantee any Laker loss since the Lakers are Kobe.
They got their ass-whooped even without Raja. Love it ;D. The MVP argument for Nash looks even better with all his points AND assists in this series
Watching the last game...it really looked like with Kobe only shooting a few balls in the fourth that he was smugly trying to prove that Phil's way(the team concept to beating the suns) doesn't work. All it proves is the Lakers are 'Kobe and supporting cast'.
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(http://i3.tinypic.com/wlf5td.jpg)
Ha-ha, that's pretty funny.
Not as funny as getting bounced out of the playoffs in the first round, after having a 3-1 series lead, but still pretty funny.
Enjoy your summer.
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Yeah but what's really funny is that whoever photoshopped that thing forgot to include Kobe's legs. :-X
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The fascinating aspect of that picture, and perhaps the most realistic, is that Kobe is alone with no teammates around him at all. :P
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A good player plays well.
A great player empowers his teammates to play well.
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Point is, Kobe will continue to get much better and the Lakers will hopefully mature as a team and be back in the run next year.
I agree that the team will be better next year, but Kobe can only become "much better" by becoming a better teammate. His skills have already peaked.
Kobe is the "reverse Jordan". He won his championships early when he had a better team around him (and Jordan never had a Shaq!), and now he's trying to do it all on his own. He should know that it won't work that way.
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A good player plays well.
A great player empowers his teammates to play well.
I'm no Kobe apologist, but that's only true to a point. You can't empower teammates to play well if they're really not any good. Looking at the season Lamar Odom had, I'd say Kobe empowers his teammates to an extent, especially on nights when he's not scoring 80 points all by his lonesome.
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To Kahuna - im not playa hating your MVP, just having some fun. And Yes that was a charge by Kobe no doubt, but you'll have to admit thats gonna be one of the poster inserts in SLAM next month
but oh my..
(http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/nba/img9415948.jpg)
i didnt know Raja plays like that...tisk tisk tisk :-X
but here's another MVP pose by Mr. Nash
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i really dont understand why so many ppl hate on Kobe that MUCH ???
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Here's a pretty good article that compares LeBron and Kobe to Jordan. Read at your leisure .....
LeBron's closer to Jordan than Kobe (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060508&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1)
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i really dont understand why so many ppl hate on Kobe that MUCH ???
Why?? Why?? Why??
Kobe quit Saturday night. Before he scored his 80+ points, the Lakers were down by 19 points in that game. This was a Game 7, and Kobe did nothing. he could have tried to take over the game, but instead he took only 3 shots in the 2nd half!!
How you Laker fans can cheer & support him after everything he has done to the Laker Dynasty/franchise is beyond me! But then, that's is why I am a Spurs fan! ;D
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I have a love hate relationship with Kobe and I'm a Laker fan. There's thing Kobe does on the court that no one can that make you love him but sometimes he does things on/off the court that make you shake your head.
I believe it was the right decison to keep Kobe and not Shaq. Watching Shaq in these playoffs justified that. Shaq is no longer a guy you have to double now. What's the better deal having Shaq for 3 years at $100 million or Kobe for 7 years at $136 million.
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A. Still having Shack and including at least one non-selfish/better teammate/non-Kobe superstar to play with him ::). What? It's LA they can afford it!
signed(a Lakers hater)
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What's the better deal having Shaq for 3 years at $100 million or Kobe for 7 years at $136 million.
I'll take the player that shows up for a Game 7, instead of pouting on the bench.
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Lakers suck.
Kobe sucks.
You all suck.
This thread sucks.
Brent sucks, most of all.
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Is there a ghost in here?
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Matt's alive?
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Matt's alive?
Matt's Pinkie's alive? :-X
:-*
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I see that Kobe had knee surgery, Fathers, lock up your daughters!
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Denver is in lockdown. The governor has called out the national guard.
Did you guys ever read the police report about what happened that night? Apparently Kobe confessed that they started doing it consensually, and then she objected when he tried to, um, do it somewhere else. Publically, he held a press conference and said that was his first act of indiscretion, but when the police asked him if he normally likes to put his thing in that other place as opposed to the normal place he said something to the effect of, "Yeah, you can ask this girl Michele in NYC, we do it that way whenever I go see her there."
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Having not been a big fan of Kobe Brayant over the past couple years, it really came to a head this weekend when I bought the NBA Dynasty Series DVDs: 90s Chicago Bulls. I spent most of my childhood messing around the TV while all my relatives and friends were watching the Bulls games, or seeing them play at the United Center, and the attitudes of Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, Tony Kukoc, and hell, even Dennis Rodman, far outweigh the # of baskets Kobe can score in one game. In my opinion, Chicago fans are a hell of a lot more enthusiastic than LA fans. No offense, Matt. ;)
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In my opinion, Chicago fans are a hell of a lot more enthusiastic than LA fans. No offense, Matt. ;)
None taken, and I agree with that 100%, Justin. In fact, I'd say that L.A. might have the worst fans in the whole country when it comes to sports. They're completely fair-weathered, they show up to games late and leave early, often only attending to "be seen" or because it's the hip thing to do around town. One of my former bosses had season tickets to the Lakers for the past 7 years, but didn't know a single thing about basketball, or the NBA. So he'd hound me constantly for info on players, teams, rules or just general reasons that things transpire as they do in a game. Totally bizarre. But he wanted to be in the "hip" L.A. crowd, and maybe do some business networking at the games. He eventually caught onto most aspects of the game, and became a decent fan over the years, but it all still seemed so goddamned superficial to me.
Not to mention that L.A. fans are about as quiet as they come. Nobody makes a peep during games (especially Lakers) for fear of looking silly or embarrassing themselves. It's not until the last couple minutes of the 4th quarter in a close game that the crowd finally feels it's safe to get involved and start cheering the team on. It's actually quite sad, I think. Dodgers fans are a little better, at least as far as loyalty goes, but many of the same things apply: Come late, leave early, pretty quiet, etc. I won't even mention the NFL, since our fans (and some dickhead owners) were so weak we couldn't even keep a pro franchise in town! ::) Kings games are often a mixture of decent and loyal hockey fans, mixed in with some of the "I want to be seen" crowd that you get at Lakers games.
I've been to a lot of other pro (and college) sports games in other cities, and it doesn't even compare. In a lot of those cities, their sports teams are the main attraction in town, so all of the community's support and energy goes thrown behind their team(s) 100%. It's really a great thing to be in that type of atmosphere, and makes me very jealous that we don't have that type of setting out here at our games. I think with Southern California having so many other points of interest as far as entertainment goes, and/or distractions, the competition for people's time and money is too diversely spread out, and the sports teams suffer because of it.
I think the greatest sports environment that I've ever been in was the "Shark Tank" for UNLV basketball games back in the late 80's and early 90's when they had some of the greatest teams in college hoops history. That stadium full of insane college kids and Vegas suppoters rocked like nothing I've ever seen. Absolutely electric. You could almost get a natural high just being amongst it.
Anyway, yeah, Lakers fans generally aren't too great. But when their superstar is completely quitting in Game 7 of the playoffs, can you really blame them? ::)
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Upon further review..Lakers still suck. Their record still looks good on paper(lead their division by a half game over 2 teams) but I mean..come on..they lost to the...? the Bucks at home last night??! The assemblance of ?future? Kobe supporter/role player- stands ins (Kwame,Bynum,Evans)...do nothing to help the team or Kobe win a game. Really when you look at it...for what you are going to pay for 1 guy...there's really not much moolah left for fielding talent for the rest of the squad so I guess the results are to be expected.
Well, once log ago they did spend their money on 2 really good players and that equaled championships...but then Egos set in ...causing false beliefs that only 1 superstar was needed to continue the tradition-something that really worked out to be true........NOT!
The DS
PS: Oh yes I forgot...."well, they still almost had a chance to win the game anyway". Yes, They were supposed to win against a ****** team like that(at least at home) and did not. Lakers suck.
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Didn't your Kings lose to the same Bucks squad in the beginning of the year?
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Clever catch Jay, however- I consider roads losses on the road to ****** teams as somewhat more acceptable than a home loss to one. No loss is really acceptable to a ****** team but a home loss to one is downright embarrassing. My team has lost 2 home games to really good BB teams none to crappy ones(yet).
This WAS a Lakers suck thread though right? So, I felt my thoughts on the game applied here. I understand your feelings for your team though.
--J
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And since I love you Jon. :-*
(http://webpages.csus.edu/~fl22/lakers_files/horry.bmp)
I know it's a few years ago, but still brings a smile to my face. ;D
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Was that the shot NOT before halftime in LA that replays proved was late but refs counted good? Or was that the end of game shot?
They still suck(Lakers) :(
What have they done for you lately?
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Game 5.
They made the playoffs last year unlike the Kings. Although I will admit, that's not really the Lakers' standard. As long as I see improvement from the team I'll be happy. I'm a realist and not some deranged Laker fan who thinks every year they'll win a championship.
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Game 5.
They made the playoffs last year unlike the Kings.
You need to check that statement Jay ;)
Yeah ..Since my team doesn't ever win championships I'm a realist too..if I see anything good I cheer.
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My bad, forgot they faced the Spurs. :-\
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Ouch. The Mavs roll into town riding a 16 game win streak and beat the Lakers down to the tune of their worst home loss in franchise history?
Kick ass. 8)
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Ouch. The Mavs roll into town riding a 16 game win streak and beat the Lakers down to the tune of their worst home loss in franchise history?
Kick ass. 8)
Very difficult to watch the Lakers right now. They just have no one after Kobe right now with all the injuries. Oh well, there's always next year.