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Title: SDCC'09 Toht, Dietrich, Ark Ghost = HOAX
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 22, 2009, 09:03 AM
I just saw a story on Yakface that apparently there are some new Indiana Jones figures on display at SDCC. Here's a link to the photobucket gallery: http://s560.photobucket.com/albums/ss44/jcazale/

The thing is, if you look at the close-up of the accessories that come with the Toht in the Toht/Dietrich 2-pack, you'll see on the next level down there looks to be a guy with his arm "on fire" - based on what I can see of the outfit it looks like he's from the scene in Marion's bar at the beginning of the movie.

If these are indeed coming, I am not surprised at all that they're using the fact that they have two Toht head sculpts to anchor two of the two-packs.

I'm not 100% convinced that those rumors of the Ark Ghost were indeed legit, since I highly doubt that ANY of these products have been worked on "new" since the line went on "hiatus".

My guess is that there are more of these since there isn't a single Indy figure pictured and with the exception of Toht, none of the lost RoTLA figures figures are shown (Indy in German Uniform, Saphito, Marion in White Dress, German Mechanic)
Title: Re: Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Matt R. on July 22, 2009, 09:33 AM
I hope this isn't another pre-ordered game thing like SW: Force Unleashed with the Stormtrooper Cmdr. I want Toht !!!  The side car is awesome, Dietrich is sweet, Ark Ghost is cool.

I wouldn't be surpise that Indy in German Uniform, Saphito, Marion in White Dress, German Mechanic are coming in 2 packs.  Maybe they would release the Flying Wing (Most requested Indy Vehicle) or KOTCS Russian Duck Vehicle (that would be sweet)

I forsee

Repack Indy / Saphito
German Indy / Marion (White Dress)
Repack Horse Indy / German Mechanic


Let's hope this happens, We want TOHT !!!
Title: Re: Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 22, 2009, 10:52 AM
Nice stuff. It'll be interesting to find out the deal with these.
Title: Re: Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2009, 11:06 AM
Hmmm... according to the little signs, they say:

IJ Classic 3 3/4" Titanium Vehicle Asst. for the motorcycle
and
IJ Classic 3 3/4" VideoGame 2-Packs for the two-packs

Veeeeeeerrrry interesting...  sure hope they are legit and not someone's idea of a joke!
Title: Re: Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Brian on July 22, 2009, 11:14 AM
Wow, I hope these are legit as well - and not impossible to get.  Like it has been mentioned before, Hasbro really seemed to be hitting their stride with the Indy line (ToD wave in particular) right as it was being cancelled.  Hopefully these will see the light of day, and in decent enough numbers so we can get them without too much trouble.  I was just going through my Indy shelf yesterday thinking of trying to track down a couple of the deluxes/vehicles I passed on the first time around.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 22, 2009, 11:28 AM
I would love to see Indy return I stocked up on so many $1.00 figures that I use in customs all the time. I hope to see the canceled Wave as well as some other characters.  This is an unexpected & welcomed surprise.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: David on July 22, 2009, 01:38 PM
AWESOME!!!! Looking forward to more details! :o  ;D
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Matt on July 22, 2009, 02:20 PM
Razzin'-frazzin' Photobucket bull****. . .

Here's all I've seen so far:

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5617/indya.jpg)

(http://i26.tinypic.com/9jepw4.png)
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Matt on July 22, 2009, 03:49 PM
The best part about this new stuff is that we don't have to deal with another ****** movie to get it.  (http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5908/thumpsup.gif)
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Matt on July 22, 2009, 04:24 PM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/14m3las.png)

(http://i32.tinypic.com/1z5ngux.png)

(http://i28.tinypic.com/24pe449.png)

(http://i29.tinypic.com/2s8o22h.jpg)
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 22, 2009, 05:00 PM
HOLY SH!T!

The guy with the burning arm is the big Nepal Brute!!

Woo Hoo!  Whatever they want to charge!!!  I'm buyin'!!!
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 22, 2009, 05:06 PM
I'm dancing around with glee!!

I'd given up hope on this stuff, and I adore the Indy figures...

Today!!  I want them Today!!
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 22, 2009, 05:10 PM
Fun to see, but Dietrich looks weak.  Swivel shoulders and elbows, and those legs look like they're from the motorcycle German that can barely stand.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: ruiner on July 22, 2009, 05:55 PM
Cool ****.

Love the ghost and Toht.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Matt R. on July 22, 2009, 07:41 PM
Fun to see, but Dietrich looks weak.  Swivel shoulders and elbows, and those legs look like they're from the motorcycle German that can barely stand.

Dietrich doesn't need super articulation anyway, good for me.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 22, 2009, 09:32 PM
Hmmm.  I'm wondering what video game these are going along with...and, do stores like Gamestop and EB World still do exclusives?

I'm really, really cuirous about these...
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Matt R. on July 22, 2009, 10:06 PM
Hmmm.  I'm wondering what video game these are going along with...and, do stores like Gamstop and EB World still do exclusives?

I'm really, really cuirous about these...

They are doing Lego Indy 2 this christmas.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Rob on July 23, 2009, 12:40 AM
I hope this is legit and they show up.  Like everyone keeps saying, that line was finally hitting its stride when it got nixed. 
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 23, 2009, 12:51 AM
C'mon!  Where's the pics!!

It's 12:30 here in NYC, and I'm going to bed.  They're better be good shots up in the morning, man!
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: efranks on July 23, 2009, 02:00 AM
I'm so hoping that these make it out in some format that I will be able to purchase at retail.  In other words, not a WM exclusive.

   E...
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jesse James on July 23, 2009, 05:28 AM
I hope this is legit and they show up.  Like everyone keeps saying, that line was finally hitting its stride when it got nixed.  

Seconded...

I cannot see fault with just about anything there.  Deitrich looks to have a removable hat, and he's an EXCELLENT looking DAK German to me (Paul, I'm sure, can point out the flaws though), Toht is amazing looking, the Nepal Brute gives me hope for other Nepalese/Gestapo guys, Ark Ghost rocks...

I have hopes for Indy German, German Mechanic, Marion, and Satipo now...  also my hopes are up because of the Nepal Brute that we may get yet more items like a Desert Belloq and Jungle Belloq.  Perhaps even a Nepal Marion?  A random Gestapo agent?

Hey, one can actually dream, again.

See no reason to gripe right now.  Considering last week we had zero hope for ANY of this ****.  Right now it's all hope.  Who would've thunk it?

Here's the bike, which for 1:18 collectors this is gonna be HOT, so buy it when you see it.

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7778/motorcycle.png)
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 23, 2009, 08:45 AM
Wow.  That is cool.  I wonder if they'll release that in a greener scheme for Indy/dad to ride in.  I don't know if they're the same same type of motorcycle/sidecar though...
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: evenflow on July 23, 2009, 10:23 AM
I didnt see these int he booth, i have to check again today. Will try to get some pictures and post late tonight.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Darby on July 23, 2009, 12:19 PM
Details!  I want details!   ;D
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jeff on July 23, 2009, 01:33 PM
I'm guessing that these are not on display at the moment...   with all the pics surfacing, it's odd not to see more on these.  If they were out, someone would have posted something by now I'd think.

You know how sometimes Hasbro holds some stuff back and doesn't put it out until later in the show?  Maybe they have to wait for LFL to announce the game and then they will show the figures after that?  Or, of course, there is still the possibility that it was all a cruel joke...   :-\
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Diddly on July 23, 2009, 02:07 PM
WHAT. Man, what a surprise! Those Tohts are amazing! Kinda glad I still haven't gotten the original German motorcycle now. Dietrich is a letdown though but who cares, it's great to see this never released stuff finally see the light of day!
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 23, 2009, 02:18 PM
"Kinda glad I still haven't gotten the original German motorcycle now"  What?  That toy was excellent!

Y'know, I'm sitting around waiting for news on little plastic men from a movie that's 28 years old...you'd think I've got no life!
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Matt on July 23, 2009, 02:49 PM
Maybe they have to wait for LFL to announce the game and then they will show the figures after that?

Unless they're talking about actually releasing the Staff of Kings game for 360/PS3, I don't think there's any other Indy game coming outside of Lego 2 (yet), and Hasbro's not gonna release their stuff as a tie-in with that, I wouldn't think.  So the video game thing has thrown me for a loop.

The only other thing I can think of is that this may have something to do with the release of the first three flicks on BluRay.  They were believed to be coming out this fall, but they were apparently pushed back to next year.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jesse James on July 23, 2009, 04:43 PM
I honestly don't get the disappointment with Col. Dietrich.  He's not super duper articulated, but his joints look pretty good for poseability, he's got an excellent sculpt (removable hat!), and I don't believe his legs are the same as the cyclist's legs.  The top looks different to me at least, but regardless I never had a problem getting any of the 8 or so I have to stand considering they're super articulated.  They don't have the wide stance though, that I can see.

To me this is a sharp looking figure.  I'm going to get multiples to slip in with my 1:18 figures as well.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 23, 2009, 05:42 PM
Had a funny thought...maybe they will all be 2 packs, and they will use up the thousands of Indys left from 2008...Indy and Nepal Thug...Indy and German Machanic...Indy and Marion...Indy and Satipo...
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: evenflow on July 23, 2009, 06:05 PM
I searched all over the booth, nothing to be found. Maybe more to report after the presentation tomorrow.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jesse James on July 23, 2009, 10:48 PM
Had a funny thought...maybe they will all be 2 packs, and they will use up the thousands of Indys left from 2008...Indy and Nepal Thug...Indy and German Machanic...Indy and Marion...Indy and Satipo...

Hey, if they did I'd buy.  I can use Indy figures for customs, that's not an issue, but I cannot make figures as good as they had that weren't released.

BTW the German on the motorcycle (driver) uses the Death Star Gunner's arms.  I found that funny.  :)
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 24, 2009, 03:43 PM
Yeah, but so many of the 1977 SW costumes were made from military surplus that it makes total sense.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: evenflow on July 24, 2009, 07:46 PM
No mention of Indy at the panel. Not sure where this stuff was shown.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 25, 2009, 12:40 AM
Last year didn't Hasbro add things to their displays as the weekend went on? I am a tad bit confused that they didn't have an Indy slide or two at the end of the Star Wars slide deck, but perhaps they wanted to keep it Star Wars-only?
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 25, 2009, 12:41 PM
Speedermike is gettin' angry!  I want info.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Greg on July 25, 2009, 01:17 PM
The whole Funeral Pyre "We want to know what you think!" tease as well as the lack of pics does not give me high hopes for these Indy figures. Hopefully later today or tomorrow some news will pop up.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 25, 2009, 06:32 PM
Well, there's an Indy Fan panel today at 12:00...says that merchandise will be discussed...


Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 26, 2009, 12:21 PM
Any word on what happened during this panel?
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jesse James on July 26, 2009, 03:58 PM
I believe, according to my clock being 3 pm, that it's just starting.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 26, 2009, 09:00 PM
I believe, according to my clock being 3 pm, that it's just starting.

Sorry - I thought when he said 12:00 "today" on July 25th, he meant 12 o'clock on Saturday afternoon, not Sunday.

Either way, it's now four hours after an hour-long panel would have ended - has any news poppped up?
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 26, 2009, 09:12 PM
Guys at scum have been saying this is a hoax for the past 2 days, I think they were right.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Rob on July 26, 2009, 09:47 PM
Guys at scum have been saying this is a hoax for the past 2 days, I think they were right.

If so that's a pretty well done hoax.  The images leaded really early and the little cards in the plexiglass displays are identical to the ones Hasbro used for the SW displays. 

Maybe it's like the Hoth Han hood from a few years ago... just too early to show and someone screwed up.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jayson on July 26, 2009, 09:52 PM
Well if the mob in the RS forums says they're fakes it must be true.  :P
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 27, 2009, 12:58 AM
Well, it's not just over on the RS boards, it's on a couple of Indy collector/fan site boards as well...

These are custom figures, nothing more.

Oh well....
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jesse James on July 27, 2009, 02:40 AM
I liked the cycle a lot...  Too bad Hasbro's not actually doing it.  Disappointing to say the least, and lame on the part of whoever decided it'd be a funny hoax.  There's more than a few ******** in the Indy hobby I've noticed.  I wonder why?

Not that SW is lacking in those too, of course, but the Indy hobby seemed to have this "out of the woodwork" group of truly dickish people suddenly into toys.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 27, 2009, 08:37 AM
Not that SW is lacking in those too, of course, but the Indy hobby seemed to have this "out of the woodwork" group of truly dickish people suddenly into toys.

Ain't that the truth! I've been following the discussion of this over on the forum for TheRaider.net and it appears that people there seem to get their rocks-off just pretending to be "know it alls" with "insider information". Kinda sad really.

Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Rob on July 27, 2009, 11:52 AM
Not to be easily duped, but if they were fakes, why wouldn't Hasbro freely say as much?  And like I said... the little placards really do match, that's a lot of effort for a hoax.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 27, 2009, 12:45 PM
I knew something looked off with Dietrich... really looking at how much I've customized, those arms should have been a dead giveaway that this was a hoax.  I guess I wanted this to be true so badly that I suspended rational thought.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 27, 2009, 12:46 PM
Well if the mob in the RS forums says they're fakes it must be true.  :P

They were right this time.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 27, 2009, 02:00 PM
Man...I'm really down about this.  I'm amazed that someone would go through all that effort for a hoax.  On one hand though, we do know 2 things about the person who did it...

1. The guy is very talented, and could be working for a major  toy company.  But that will never happen, becuase he's a childish jerk.  As someone who has worked freelance, being talented isn't enough. You have to be a good person to work with, or no one will hire you.  There's always someone else who is just as talented, and really friendly.  I can sleep at night knowing this guy will never get a real job doing this kind of work.

2.  These took alot of time.  Therefore, this guy spends much of his time alone.  There's no way someone who is married, or dating, or at least getting a little would choose to do something like this if there was a partner of some sort in his life.  He's as single as Hilter's testicle. But that's OK, because he's obviously good with his hands.

One thing I have learned about myself...I love Raiders/Indy, and this guy possibly loves Raiders/Indy...but it makes me really sad to have something in common with a creep like this.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 27, 2009, 03:01 PM
Hey now, there's a lot of customizers who have a life outside of this hobby... happily married folks with kids and still find time to live it up most weekends.   ;)

If he's kit bashing parts, which he seems to have done, I can name at least a dozen customizers who could replicate this work if they have the parts to work with.

Still though, the con on people is very aggravating.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 27, 2009, 03:55 PM
Oh!  Don't get me wrong...its the scam that I'm pissed at.  Hobbies that enrich ones life are great things, hobbies in which one teases otheres is sad.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 27, 2009, 09:42 PM
No worries buddy, I know it was the scammer you were referring to.  He does seem like a low life to say the least.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 28, 2009, 09:27 PM
I would like to apologize to everyone for falling for these fakes and starting this thread...

Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 29, 2009, 12:08 PM
These would have been nice.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: speedermike on July 31, 2009, 05:30 PM
Pete...don't apologize.  We were all duped.  It's funny, people were saying we should have known better because of the parts from other figures, but I would expect that from Hasbro is they were trying to do these as cheaply as possible.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jesse James on July 31, 2009, 06:09 PM
Yeah, honestly, why wouldn't Hasbro re-use parts?  They do it all the time.

Anyone saying that really don't seem to understand the way Hasbro operates.

No need to apologize either, Pete.  Someone went to a great length to do it...  Why?  God knows.  I'd have liked to have seen his Nepal thug though.  Might've been a neat inspiration.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jeff on July 31, 2009, 06:50 PM
It's funny, people were saying we should have known better because of the parts from other figures

I think they meant "other figures" as in "figures from other lines".

If the parts were just from SW figures (the the Cycle drivers arrms = DS gunner arms or whatever), then yeah the kit-bashing would have been easily accepted. But, there was some good evidence out there that the Nepal Thug used the Zizzle PotC Jack Sparrow arms or Dietrich used 21st Century body/parts or whatever.

Hasbro uses stuff like that (stuff built from what-ever they can find) for internal mock-ups to pitch the idea, but they wouldn't use someone elses parts in something they would show to us...  would they?

I guess if anything, the use of outside figure line parts don't alone make then fakes, but it makes them early prototypes if they would have ended up being the real deal. 
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Greg on July 31, 2009, 07:46 PM
I'm inclined to think that usage of other companies products/work would bring about copyright issues if it was presented at a convention or retailers, even as a prototype piece. I think bashing together figures with parts from other companies' lines is something done within Hasbro only, and it's probably frowned upon at that.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: efranks on July 31, 2009, 08:45 PM
Didn't Hasbro show off a bunch of customs either last year at SDCC or at the GI Joe convention that were made not only from Hasbro products but also lines from other companies?  They were presented strictly as customs, though, and not moc-ups for potential product.

I know that when Kenner originally pitched the 3.75" line of figures they used Fisher Price Adventure People to customize figures.  However, they were presented to get the license and not to potential buyers from stores.

Since the Star Wars team also did the Indy line, if they were going to throw together some concepts for a show like SDCC I could see them using parts from the Star Wars line rather than waste sculpting time and money.  But I don't think they'd use Zizzle parts, for example.

Displayed as strictly customs, maybe, as potential product, I don't think so.

   E...
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: CHEWIE on August 1, 2009, 01:22 AM
It's funny, people were saying we should have known better because of the parts from other figures

I think they meant "other figures" as in "figures from other lines".

If the parts were just from SW figures (the the Cycle drivers arrms = DS gunner arms or whatever), then yeah the kit-bashing would have been easily accepted. But, there was some good evidence out there that the Nepal Thug used the Zizzle PotC Jack Sparrow arms or Dietrich used 21st Century body/parts or whatever.

My point exactly. 

Spock's hand too, for Toht.  I can't believe I didn't see that.  I think I had beer goggles on when I saw the images for the first time.   8)
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jesse James on August 2, 2009, 04:14 PM
I'm inclined to think that usage of other companies products/work would bring about copyright issues if it was presented at a convention or retailers, even as a prototype piece. I think bashing together figures with parts from other companies' lines is something done within Hasbro only, and it's probably frowned upon at that.

Actually, I've seen other companies use parts from other toy lines.  NOt Hasbro though, of course, but I have seen it done by other companies to mock something up for display at a show...  That's usually as a sales pitch though, and not for something they've got lined up and ready for purchase.

Off-hand with the Dietrich, the only 21st Cent. part I was thining might be there, was the hat.  The body and head weren't recognizeable.  I never saw the Nepal thug besides his arm though, to comment.

The only parts I recognized at all were the Death Star Gunner's arms on the German biker.  The sidecar was outstanding.  May have been from Power Team Elite.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Nicklab on August 5, 2009, 02:35 PM
I'm actually wondering if these may actually have been legit, and shown at the fall Toy Fair.  It's a much lesser known show, but is closed to the press.  No images come out of that event and it's pretty much industry buyers only.

Is it possible that Hasbro used that as an opportunity to pitch these?  Because not only did these look good, but they even had the same kind of presentation cards in front of them.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 - Toht! Dietrich! Ark Ghost! Motorcycle w/Sidecar!!!
Post by: Jeff on August 21, 2009, 11:04 AM
In case you missed it, from the JD Q&A this week -

This was a hoax, and we had nothing to do with it. Whoever did it, did a clever job, right down to replicating our "tent cards" that we use when showing items at Comic Con. It was fun to look at, but nothing is in development or IJ at this time.

We all figured it was the case, but it's nice to get Hasbro on the record to finally put it to rest for good...  although it really isn't good that Indy is still dead. :-\
Title: Re: SDCC'09 Toht, Dietrich, Ark Ghost = HOAX
Post by: Jesse James on August 24, 2009, 02:53 AM
Yup, bummer...  I wish Hasbro would slip us some Indy figures now and then, but alas we're going to have to wait for a dismal sequal (I'm afraid) where Mutt's probably even MORE important (and thus likely to get 90 different figures at one time), and that sucks.
Title: Re: SDCC'09 Toht, Dietrich, Ark Ghost = HOAX
Post by: Rob on August 26, 2009, 03:36 AM
I thought Lucas or Spielberg was already on record saying Mutt wouldn't be in the next one?
Title: Re: SDCC'09 Toht, Dietrich, Ark Ghost = HOAX
Post by: Ryan on August 26, 2009, 05:36 AM
I thought Lucas or Spielberg was already on record saying Mutt wouldn't be in the next one?

I thought they had said he wouldn't be taking over the franchise/become the new Indy? I don't remember them saying he wasn't going to be in it period.
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Post by: Jesse James on August 27, 2009, 01:11 AM
I have no idea, but they whored him enough, I cannot imagine he'll be left out of future stuff.

What a waste of Ford's Youth though.  Imagine those WOrld War 2 Era stories?  I'd have loved movies based on those!  Especially involving Spielberg!  I can dream of what could've been, I guess.  :-\
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Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on August 27, 2009, 03:37 PM
Yeah when they wait to make sequels it never bodes too well. Frankly the last movie was pretty stupid and really did not compliment the series while I would love to see more Indy figures I am not sure I want to see another Old Indy adventure.

However what would work really well would be to do a WW2 adventure Ala' Beawolf style to make him look young. That would be more appealing to me, we can have the real Indy young again instead of the aged refrigerator flying old man with a bigger & redder nose.

It would also spare us from stuffing in Mutt in the flick ensuring any new Indy toys a chance of being on shelves for more than a year. I must admit I loaded up on him and many others for $1.00 at Wal-Mart for custom fodder.
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Post by: CHEWIE on September 2, 2009, 03:06 PM
I don't get the hatred toward the last movie.  It was pretty damn good considering it had been nearly a 20 year gap since the last one and Ford is now in his 60s. 

Regarding more figures, I think Hasbro really just pissed on the line.  If another company had the license, they might not have given up on it so fast.  Look at the Star Trek line for example, Playmates and the retailer are keeping that alive (which is a surprise) and each store in my area has about an inch of dust on the figures.  Indy appeared to sell a lot better than that.  Go figure.  Maybe the Star Trek line will be done though after this Christmas, I haven't heard much buzz around the line in a while.
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Post by: Morgbug on September 2, 2009, 05:18 PM
Mutt is the asnwer to both questions. 

Mutt was the presumed heir apparent and it didn't go well.  I don't particularly dislike the actor (haven't seen transformers) but didn't like the character in the movie.  I thought Indy was fun, Marion was a treat to see again though some of the scenes were more unrealistic than I'd have liked and there's my disappointment in a nutshell.

Mutt clogging the pegs is why the line died.  Walmart sold them off for $2 down from regular retail here of $10.  No way were they going to go back to the line and I'd be surprised if they did down the road again without serious concessions.  Losing the major retailer and probably frustration from all the other retailers really wouldn't bode well when trying to hawk these figures again.  I'm sad that they didn't carry on too, but I think Hasbro is to blame and probably realized the error too late to keep it going.  Those case packs sucked arse. 
Title: Re: SDCC'09 Toht, Dietrich, Ark Ghost = HOAX
Post by: CHEWIE on September 2, 2009, 07:04 PM
You see, I thought Mutt was fine in the movie.  No problems whatsoever.  And at the end of the movie, there was a brief hint that he might be taking over the main role, but Indy took his hat back.  I thought that was classic Indy.

I think there's more to the line failing than just two Mutt figures that were overproduced.  It was a combination of things, blaming the whole problem on just Mutt figures isn't the solution in my opinion.   Look at Belloq, what in the world were they thinking with the first rendition of him being that outfit?  If anything that should have been packed with the Ark, and a regular Belloq should have been in the line. 

There were other problems than that, and it wasn't just Mutt and Belloq that hit clearance.  So did almost all the other figures from the initial mass of figures that hit.  They simply did a piss poor job with the line.  There were a crapload of Indy figures that were just sitting collecting dust, not to mention Ugha Warriors, Cairo Swordsman, etc.  Maybe including an airplane in the line (remember how many Jungle Cutters hit clearance?), some stuff from all 4 films right off the bat, even a preview wave, etc.  God, even Toht wasn't in the first wave Raiders wave, what the hell is up with that?  Where was Marcus Brody?   And let's also not forget the ridiculous quality control on the paint jobs on the first waves.  The faces looked like they were melting.

Obviously I don't think Hasbro gave the line as much variety as they could have for the launch and extremely overproduced the first group of figures that hit.  Really, these are all human characters - pretty boring really if you're not a big Indy fan.  Maybe they could have given all the cards artwork like the TAC Star Wars line, that would have at least been more appealing on the eyes... Hasbro needed to do something better to really make this line work and they took it for granted that this line would be a hit.  Hopefully if the line comes back someday, they'll have figured out the right mix. 
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Post by: Brian on September 3, 2009, 01:39 PM
Yeah, the line just seemed to be mishandled from the beginning unfortunately - and just when things were hitting their stride (particularly with the ToD wave), it all ended.  I think the casepacks (Mutt being the biggest offender) had a lot to do with it.  Plus, it seemed like retailers bought in big into the initial assortments of the line, and I think after the collectors got what they wanted, that was about it.  I can't see I saw kids looking at the Indy stuff very often, and if they did, it was just for an Indy figure or the role play stuff.  Although the movie did well (I enjoyed it for what it was, just not as much as the original movies), I don't know how "big" it was with kids/toy-buying parents.

We've talked before about the collectors vs. kids/parents issue with Star Wars and other lines, but this line in particular (Indy) was almost totally bought by collectors I'm guessing - and I don't think Indy has near the "collector base" as Star Wars, G.I. Joe, etc.  Plus, all of those lines were out there vying for collector dollars last year as well.  I think we discussed this when the line was first struggling, but if they had spread out the waves, having the Raiders wave in February or something, then have the "new movie" stuff out for the release, etc. might have helped things too.  I do hope the line makes it back eventually (if/when we get another movie I guess), but if not, I am happy for what we got out of the line.  After seeing the last couple waves in particular (TLC/ToD), I'd be excited to see some more figures from the line.
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Post by: Darth_Anton on September 4, 2009, 11:02 AM
I don't get the hatred toward the last movie.  It was pretty damn good considering it had been nearly a 20 year gap since the last one and Ford is now in his 60s. 


Those aren't considerations for making a movie good. Story is all important. The story was so-so. They should have made Darabont's version, it was a far superior script, and no Mutt. The first line set the whole, perfect tone. After the kids speed by the Atomic Cafe on their hot rods, camera stays on Indy, looking after them, he says "Damn kids."
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Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 4, 2009, 11:17 AM
I don't get the hatred toward the last movie.  It was pretty damn good considering it had been nearly a 20 year gap since the last one and Ford is now in his 60s.  


Those aren't considerations for making a movie good. Story is all important. The story was so-so. They should have made Darabont's version, it was a far superior script, and no Mutt. The first line set the whole, perfect tone. After the kids speed by the Atomic Cafe on their hot rods, camera stays on Indy, looking after them, he says "Damn kids."

Exactly. A movie is good or bad regardless of how old the star is. And Harrison Ford is too good an actor for his age to matter. The movie was not good and if Harrison Ford hadn't been wearing Indiana Jones outfit and hadn't gone by that name, I don't know I would have known it was an Indy film.
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Post by: CHEWIE on September 4, 2009, 12:47 PM
I wasn't saying that flaws in the movie are excused - but this movie wasn't a terrible disaster like some make it out to be.  There were several things I think they could have done differently, but I feel the same way about Temple of Doom as well.  That film stinks in my opinion compared to the other two from the original trilogy.  But I just take it with a grain of salt because it's still enjoyable.

There are some people who treasure the old style of these films and consider it blasphemy for there to be another one that doesn't fit in 100% with their own view of the Indy franchise.  And that's fine, all I'm saying is that I personally enjoyed this one and think people need to take a few things into account such as this isn't the Indy of the 1930s, this is two decades later - it was a different world after WW2 and this movie captured a lot of that.  It makes sense for him to have aged and for there also to be a younger star in part of the action.   My real only issue with the film was the alien theme, but hey if some guy in India live for a few minutes after his heart is ripped from his chest, this isn't too far fetched of an idea either.

Anyways, if you disagree and thought it was that bad, then perhaps stay away from the next one if it's made.
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Post by: iFett on September 4, 2009, 01:11 PM
Anyways, if you disagree and thought it was that bad, then perhaps stay away from the next one if it's made.

They'll find some way of getting "free" tickets and will still bash it.  I kind of enjoyed the new Indy flick for what it was.  Was it great?  No, but it was nice to see another installment.
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Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 4, 2009, 01:15 PM
Anyways, if you disagree and thought it was that bad, then perhaps stay away from the next one if it's made.

They'll find some way of getting "free" tickets and will still bash it.  I kind of enjoyed the new Indy flick for what it was.  Was it great?  No, but it was nice to see another installment.

I'll pay to see it and hope it's good. And IF it's not I'll say so. I think you can go see GiJoe or TF and just get a good action movie and be happy. But, I expected more from Indy. At least relative to Raiders and TLC.
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Post by: Jesse James on September 4, 2009, 03:45 PM
It, to me, was the Episode I of Indy films...  That puts it as low as possible in my Indy rankings.  I enjoyed it for what it was, but I was disappointed it wasn't as good as TLC or TOD to me...  I didn't expect Raiders level of greatness at all.

I don't feel Mutt ruined the film, but I don't feel Mutt added to it either.  He was very unnecessary, and did some really dumb **** in it.  The vine-swinging was comically bad, and I felt hurt that sequence.  His sword fighting/fencing BS was bad, and a barely veiled attempt at giving him an iconic melee weapon ala Indy's whip.  The ending was ambiguous on purpose incase the movie was a smashing success, for Mutt's "taking over" to be easily accepted, but also incase they want to do another one with Ford.

I felt Mutt should've been much more "Short Round" than "New Star", and just a secondary character.

Ford was fantastic.  He made even the ****** parts good.  That's why Harrison Ford was the highest paid actor in 2008 (that, and he's incredibly intelligent to get a part of the Box Office too  ;D ).  If there were "Indy" moments in it, he made them.  Neeson and McGregor were great in Episode I...  Doesn't mean it didn't suck, especially compared to all the others.

Part of me is hopeful Lucas/Speilberg can improve greatly upon the Indy franchise if they do another film with Ford, and don't go down this road again, or at least tame it greatly.  Mutt isn't a bad character idea, he was just terribly executed in KotCS.

However, I probably would take another not-so-great film just to get (hopefully) many new toys from the original 3 films. :)  I'm a whore like that.
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Post by: John C on October 18, 2009, 01:49 PM
It's really a shame that Hasbro doesn't make some more Indy figures, like this bogus wave, for example, and sell them on their website as an exclusive like Mattel does. 
Title: Re: SDCC'09 Toht, Dietrich, Ark Ghost = HOAX
Post by: Jesse James on October 19, 2009, 02:06 AM
I agree...  The molds for these were tooled so the majority of fixed costs were in on this wave.  I'm sort of surprised they weren't offered in the minimum quantities to turn a quick buck on either Hasbro Toy Shop or some other outlet.  They'd be nice in a sort of "Raiders Boxed Set".  Part of me thinks they're holding over for another film, but that's maybe wishful thinking on my part.  :-\