JediDefender.com Forums
Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => The Clone Wars '08-'13 => Topic started by: Adam_Pawlus on October 11, 2008, 08:51 PM
-
Just watched part of the third <i>Clone Wars</i> episode last night. While I liked the movie, I didn't much care for the first two episodes. This one, though? Awesome. Lots of new droids, new clones, some space whales, and the supremely awesome Y-wing Bomber, which I'm convinced I need to start making a stink about in hopes of Hasbro doing it. Especially since I'm sure they can repaint it like the dickens, or whatever it is kids say these days. (Probably not that.)
I know a lot of people aren't watching the show, but it was super-rad to see the familiar engine glow-- and a whole squad of them piloted by Anakin and clones. Plus there's a pilot seat, a gunner seat, and an Astromech socket. Seems to me like the perfect toy waiting to happen, preferably in the $30 & up size/pricepoint. Anybody else hoping to see one?
-
I think it would make a great toy. I always felt myself the Y-Wing probably looked 30 years old in ANH, so I'm not sure it needed a 'predecessor' but this version with the McQuarrie gun turret is nice. I expect Hasbro will be all over it.
-
I really like this ship. I'm a big fan of the Y-wing ( I think I have about 5 of them). I would be all over this version. Love the gunner seat and the droid socket. Sign me up!!!
-
I asked about this in the JTA Q&A's (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3947/#details) a couple of months ago when some of the initial Clone Wars artwork came out. And I followed it up in this JTA Q&A session (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4068). Hasbro's response?
Q. We asked in a previous Q&A session about the Clone Wars era Y-Wing, and Hasbro's response seems to have been pretty positive. Since that session, the DK reference book STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS - THE VISUAL GUIDE has been released and shows Anakin and Ahsoka in some intense action in a Y-Wing. Does this give the Clone Wars Y-Wing a better shot at being in next year's vehicle lineup? And if it comes to pass, how about a functional droid socket?
A. It does give it a better shot at getting made eventually. No word right now on timing. As far as a droid slot that would be a great idea, and a mandatory feature if such a vehicle did eventually happen.
I for one would love to see a Clone Wars Y-Wing. It was one of my favorite OT vehicles, and I like the backstory on the ship. This Clone Wars episode helped flesh out that backstory.
-
I'd LOVE to see this made.
Better yet, it would be AWESOME if Hasbro made the new outer armor REMOVABLE! Then we'd have an OT Y-wing as well.
If this is made as a two-seater, that's great! If it's still a one-seater, I'm okay with that.
MAKE THE CW Y-WING HASBRO! please....
-
I dunno. If it had removable panels, then yes.
-
Removable panels would definitely be cool. But the cockpit layout would still be significantly different from the OT version because of the gunner station.
-
Great idea, this is one of my most wanted items from the new show. :)
-
One for me please.....and all of the inevitable repaints. :)
-
I know a lot of people aren't watching the show
Really? It was the most watched premiere on the network, and I think tons of adult fans helped fuel that... I know I watch and DVR (so I can rewatch and scrutinize) every episode. :)
And I'm all for a new Y-Wing with skin... I'd love it if it met my normal criteria of greatness, which is doable for a ship this size. Y-Wings aren't massive so the $30 pricepoint could definitely work if it were to come in at ARC-170-ish in size to make it to-scale.
I'm more geeked to get a 4-legged GONK droid right now though. Dunno why, just really want that.
-
Y-Wings aren't massive so the $30 pricepoint could definitely work if it were to come in at ARC-170-ish in size to make it to-scale.
Haven't you heard that $50 is the new $30? It's all the rave at Hasbro. ;)
I'm more geeked to get a 4-legged GONK droid right now though. Dunno why, just really want that.
I agree. I thought he was freakin awesome and a total suprise. Had to hit rewind and pause a few times on the ol Video Cassette Recorder.
-
Eh, true... There may not be much coming in at $30 these days.
-
Hey I love the idea of a new Y-Wing. I think it would be especially cool if it were tooled so that all the panels could come off to reveal the OT Y-Wing underneath! Could make for some great play features - battle damage or a maintenance scene. Probably make the thing twice as expensive though.
I put a page up on the Star Wars Astromechs site devoted to Clone Wars astromechs if you want to check out some possible pack-in figure material.
http://www.angelfire.com/droid/astromechs/
-
Hey I love the idea of a new Y-Wing. I think it would be especially cool if it were tooled so that all the panels could come off to reveal the OT Y-Wing underneath! Could make for some great play features - battle damage or a maintenance scene. Probably make the thing twice as expensive though.
I put a page up on the Star Wars Astromechs site devoted to Clone Wars astromechs if you want to check out some possible pack-in figure material.
http://www.angelfire.com/droid/astromechs/
Just could resist throwing that link in another post, huh? ;)
-
Hey I love the idea of a new Y-Wing. I think it would be especially cool if it were tooled so that all the panels could come off to reveal the OT Y-Wing underneath! Could make for some great play features - battle damage or a maintenance scene. Probably make the thing twice as expensive though.
I put a page up on the Star Wars Astromechs site devoted to Clone Wars astromechs if you want to check out some possible pack-in figure material.
http://www.angelfire.com/droid/astromechs/
Just could resist throwing that link in another post, huh? ;)
I thought it was relevant to the Y-Wing, as it is, after all, the only compendium of all the astromechs shown in Y-Wings in the new Clone Wars series on the web.
Do you think that astromechs that appear in the Y-Wings during the Clone Wars series are not relevant and off-topic?
-
I thought the CW version of the Y-Wing looked nice, and it would be a good idea to create it as a $30 vehicle. It was cool to see them maneuver around the space whales, the ion canon blast, and the ship Grievous was on. It looks different enough from the OT version, and I'd rather have a new mold then another repaint or repackaged of the bomber.
-
It would be an okay toy I suppose. I just did not think it was all that great in that episode. I mean if it continues to show up then maybe. I do not feel the need to collect every single thing from this series that appears. If my son really likes it then maybe I would buy it. I kind of think they may end up overkilling all the vehicles if they make them all. But Hasbro probably loves this. It gives them more options that repainting the same vehicle all the time. I am getting tired of all the starfighter repaints so maybe this would be welcomed on the shelves. I really do not like yellow ships though. If it was another color...here comes a repaint....then maybe I would like it more.
-
I did enjoy the Y-Wings in the episode, and I love messing around with them in various video games. (Empire at War, Battlefront) It's easily one of my favorite ships from the Saga and in my collection. However, I can't say that I would buy a toy. I feel that the Y-Wing doesn't really mesh with the rest of the Republic armada. I almost think that it would've been coller to see as a Seperatist ship. The ARC-170 will fill the Prequel fighter/bomber role in my collection.
-
I did enjoy the Y-Wings in the episode, and I love messing around with them in various video games. (Empire at War, Battlefront) It's easily one of my favorite ships from the Saga and in my collection. However, I can't say that I would buy a toy. I feel that the Y-Wing doesn't really mesh with the rest of the Republic armada. I almost think that it would've been coller to see as a Seperatist ship. The ARC-170 will fill the Prequel fighter/bomber role in my collection.
Good point Greg. It would have almost made sense to see them using ARC-170s in this episode instead - almost like "hey this is the first squadron of ARC-170s, let's try these things out"
I think it would have been much cooler to start to showing Seperatist forces as something other than Grievous and droids.
My biggest problem with the episode was that in ROTS, you get the sense from the dialogue between Obi-Wan and Grievous that when they face-off on Utapau, it's the first time they've ever fought, well now supposedly it isn't, so the dialogue doesn't really fit (IMHO).
Second, if a massive ship like the Malevolence had been taken out after only a short period of time in service, how did Grievous get such a stellar reputation? In fact, the movie realm of Star Wars would have seen Count Dooku or Darth Sidious rip Grievous apart with the force over this failure.
I would have been much better if the Malevolence had been commanded by a biological Seperatist General (like Whorm Loathsom) who employed a mix of droids and militia from his own world. The Y-Wings could have been ships from his world. Heck, make him a Sullustan, it would have much more sense to have them be the origin for the Y-Wing since we already know that (a) Sullust was part of the Confederacy of independent systems and (b) that Sullustans were active in helping the Rebel Alliance.
I like the show so far, but they really need to stop the whole Confederacy = 100% droid soldiers. Or coming up with the "new droid of the week" like they did with the Rookies episode.
-
Looks like Hasbro thinks it's a good idea. According to a listing from a german retailer, the Clone Wars Y-Wing is due out this spring.
-
Cool.
Provided they don't **** it up
-
What's it look like?
-
Cool.
Provided they don't **** it up
Or make it a TRU or K-Mart exclusive
-
Looking forward to pictures! This could be really cool.
Made you look.
-
What's it look like?
Really, really awesome.
Sort of like a Y.
-
What's it look like?
(http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/y_art.jpg)
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.
-
If the extra parts were removable, I'm sold.
-
Well, I guess you probably won't be buying. :P
I doubt the panels would be made removable, especially as it's not in the source material.
-
...especially as it's not in the source material.
Yep, 'cause Hasbro has never taken liberties when it comes to vehicle accuracy. :P
-
Oh, they only take those liberties when it's something the kids' "want." If it makes sense and is appealing to collectors... well, Hasbro probably won't do it.
-
I'd actually guess that the extra panels WILL be removable. That would likely get more people to buy the ship. Not just Clone Wars fans but OT fans alike.
I'm sold either way. I think it's a VERY cool retro design for one of the more iconic starfighter of the saga.
-
I think the panels being removable is quite doable, but I'm curious to see if the ship's gonna be small or large. I'm hoping for to-scale obviously. It's not a huge vehicle, and looking at the Lego one, I'm giddy at the thought of a 3.75" scaled one that was accurately sized. Panels coming off aren't a huge deal to do I'd think, actually. I just wonder if they'd bite on that or not.
-
JUST READING OVER HASBRO'S PRESS RELEASE AND THIS CAUGHT MY EYE
STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS DELUXE VEHICLES
(Approximate Retail Price: $59.99; Ages 4 & up; Available: Fall 2009)
Take the CLONE WARS adventure to the intergalactic skies with new THE CLONE WARS DELUXE VEHICLES. These imposing vehicles are loaded with mechanical play features that allow kids to re-imagine the action they see in THE CLONE WARS episodes each week right in their own homes. Slated for release this year are the Y-wing and Arc 170, two vehicles playing key roles throughout The Clone Wars.
-
Ouch. $60? That's a big step up from the TRU Y-Wing, right? Then again it'd need to be a new mold, and probably be a bit bigger in order to house two figures and a droid.
-
Nice to see that the Y-Wing is likely on the way, but the $60 price does sting a bit. I guess this explains the $75 price on the "imperial" ARC, which is maybe what the "exclusive" price point would be for these larger vehicles. Again, things we had at $30-$40 each four years ago.
Its interesting to see that this is a whole new assortment. It might allow for some larger ships that don't all have to be store exclusives now, and can be a little easier for people to find. The only thing is, hopefully they are going to make the vehicles worth the $60. Its funny that it has taken a cartoon/line that is supposed to be targeted towards kids to bring about an ongoing, larger vehicle assortment. It does offer some potential for future releases though. I could see things like the Twilight released here as well, and although it sounds CW focused, maybe some OT vehicles at some point as well if they fit the assortment. So now its possible we'll have the starfighter vehicle assortment ($20ish), the "deluxe" vehicle assortment ($60), and - at least once a year - the "Large" assortment ($100).
-
$60 is indeed a lot, and for that price I expect a large toy that, at least in the YW's case, is pretty spot-on in scale I'd hope. It'd be nice if it was able to be used as an OT Y-Wing as well... I have fears it'll be disappointing though, and for $60 I won't be compelled to pick it up unless it's just right, to me at least.
The ARC is just an easy pass to me....
-
I'll have to see it, but I could pass on it.
-
This price increase is absolutely insane. Prices are going up but not by 50%!
So TRU went up $15 which I could even swallow if good enough but a year late not even we are up to $60! That's just wrong. I never bitch at price but this time I cannot help it after buying 3 ARC's at $30 this is hard to swallow.
That Y-Wing better have lights for $60.
-
Nice to see that the Y-Wing is likely on the way, but the $60 price does sting a bit. I guess this explains the $75 price on the "imperial" ARC, which is maybe what the "exclusive" price point would be for these larger vehicles. Again, things we had at $30-$40 each four years ago.
Its interesting to see that this is a whole new assortment. It might allow for some larger ships that don't all have to be store exclusives now, and can be a little easier for people to find. The only thing is, hopefully they are going to make the vehicles worth the $60. Its funny that it has taken a cartoon/line that is supposed to be targeted towards kids to bring about an ongoing, larger vehicle assortment. It does offer some potential for future releases though. I could see things like the Twilight released here as well, and although it sounds CW focused, maybe some OT vehicles at some point as well if they fit the assortment. So now its possible we'll have the starfighter vehicle assortment ($20ish), the "deluxe" vehicle assortment ($60), and - at least once a year - the "Large" assortment ($100).
Looking at the press release, it looks like the $60 assortment is labeled as "Clone Wars", so nevermind my idea for any OT vehicles. Looks like they'll likely continue to be exclusives at this point, if we see any. Some nice potential for CW vehicles though, although a little expensive. Like Jesse mentioned, as long as they make it worth it.
-
First look (http://www.rebelscum.com/TF2009/Hasbropanel/image12.asp) at the CW Y-Wing in Hasbro's panel presentation. Looks pretty nice.
-
That looks awesome. I'll gladly pay $60 for it. :)
-
(http://www.yakface.com/Features/toyfair2009/hasbrokit/images/39.jpg)
(http://www.yakface.com/Features/toyfair2009/hasbrokit/images/40.jpg)
-
Doesn't look like it would convert to an OT Y-wing.
Still pretty cool looking though.
-
Yup, that's a nice looking vehicle. I wonder if the $60 price tag will include electronic features along with the "mechanical" features?
-
Looks like they did a great job, but I'm going to pass on it.
-
It looks great. At $40, or even $45 I would have bit. But $60 is obscene, especially in this economy. There is no justification for it.
-
Mikey likes........just not $60 likes. I made the decision to stop being a Hasbro whore before all of these insane price hikes. Just hoping I can hold true to that.
-
Looks like a great toy. I gues 60.00 is the new 40.00.
-
I can't personally tell if the scale's right on that or not... If it is, I'll probably bite. It certainly looks pretty enough... At the price though, without perfection, I won't be buying I'm afraid.
-
Like the rest of you, I think it looks really spiffy - but at $60, I'm not sure if I'll bite or not either. Hopefully it has lights/sounds or something else to justify the pricepoint a little more, but considering the ships we've gotten before at $30-$35 (OT Y-Wing, ARC, etc.) I just don't know about this $60 level. It does look really well done though otherwise.
-
Gotta agree. It all looks great. But, I'm getting priced right out the store.
-
This assortment (Y-Wing, ARC-170) should be no more than $39.99. It's going to fail at $59.99.
-
I"ll have to add to the voices of dissent here. I very much wanted this, but that price will keep me from buying. Not more than $40 Hasbro and even that is a little to high.
I think this should be in the $30-35 range. Include an astromech, add $5.
I'll wait for a clearance price on this. If I miss the chance, so be it. Hasbro needs to realize the economic times right now. Oil is down to it's lowest costs in many years. The economy is in a freefall. Now is NOT the time to be doubling the prices of toys. The toy market in general is one of the markets that suffers from recessions.
-
I think ruiner has the right idea. A $39.99 pricepoint for this assortment would be more in line. I mean, from what we've seen, these vehicles (the ARC in particular) are not "double" the size/value of the starfighter assortment - and those run $20 to $25. Even if you only double that price, you come up with $50 - and that is even too high. It will be interesting to see what the breaking point will be for collectors - which it seems like we've been saying a lot lately.
-
I can't believe that the price has to DOUBLE in just four years.
Wasn't the original ROTS ARC-170 $29.99 back in 2005?
-
Yes, that was the pricing on the ARC-170 during the ROTS days. I picked mine up at Costco where it came packaged with 4 figures (Clone Pilot, 2 Clone Troopers, and an R2 Unit), and that was also $30 if I remember correctly. What a deal considering now. :-\
-
Yeah, I'm so glad that I picked one up during the ROTS days (and it was tough to find around here at the time). I remember being hesitant since I had spent so much on figures and other stuff during the whole Midnight Madness thing, but I found one at Target the next morning and decided to grab it. I don't know that I saw another one in ROTS packaging here after that.
-
The Gunship was a great piece at $29.99 as well.
-
How much will the next TRU Gunship cost? $150
-
I want that Y wing a whole lot, but unless I win the lottery soon I just don't see how I can buy high price point items and still be buying all the basic figs at the same time. This really sucks. I am going to be passing on a lot this year.
-
I want that Y wing a whole lot, but unless I win the lottery soon I just don't see how I can buy high price point items and still be buying all the basic figs at the same time. This really sucks. I am going to be passing on a lot this year.
The higher prices of the new offerings (AT-TE, BMF, Y-Wing etc.) doesn't bother me much, it's the repeated increases on straight redecos/repack are what sucks ass.
-
Agreed there...
Hasbro told us a while ago that the repacks and repaints are what make the line cost-efficient, and that they can give us new stuff at good prices because of that. The ARC-170 is basically gravy for Hasbro... The fixed costs are in on that, and it ultimately doesn't cost much to make, so jacking up the price repeatedly on it, then giving us something new (despite your constant re-release of the 170) smells fishy.
I have no doubt I'm skipping a lot of things this year... $8 figures are absurd. I truly do not see these pricehikes with other toy lines too, so this is really just seemingly a Hasbro thing for the most part.
-
They have the best properties in the AF aisle and they know it. . .
-
Hasbro is citing the new safety considerations as the impetus for the increase in pricing. Whether or not that's accurate is another point entirely.
As for the Y-Wing? It looks fantastic. Very true to the vehicle in the cartoon except for the apparent sizing down of the gunner turret. The toy has the gunner in a position more like that of the Rebel Snowspeeder gunner than the dorsal turret that it is in the Clone Wars TV episode. Personally, I can accept that compromise.
Also, I like the added detail of the foldout dorsal missile bay. It's a cool feature. And we also finally get a modern Y-Wing with a functional droid slot. It appears that there's some kind of cover which helps keep the droid in place. But will that droid slot accomodate both Clone Wars and movie realistic astro-droids? Also, what about droids to put in the ship? We only have 2 Clone Wars astromechs so far. If we wind up getting some Shadow Squadron pilots, we're going to need some astromech droids for those additional Y-Wings! ;D
-
Yeah, I think this has more to do with the fact that the Clone Wars/Star Wars line is red hot right now and they think they can get away with the price hike. We'll see. I have my doubts for this thing selling well at $60. That and the ARC-170 repaint. We'll see of course. I expect a clearance on these though. It's a cool ship but $60 cool? I just have my doubts.
-
I think Hasbro is making a mistake by not packing an exclusive astromech figure in with this and the ARC. It would make the $60 go down a lot easier (at least for me!), and provide a little more incentive for the fence-sitters to get this. At the very least, they should have released a Shadow Squadron BP alongside this, with pilots Broadside and Matchstick along with the green R5 and orange R2 astromechs.
You know, when the POTF2 X-Wing came out 10 years ago, it was $50, so I'm not really surprised this is a few dollars more.
-
You know, when the POTF2 X-Wing came out 10 years ago, it was $50, so I'm not really surprised this is a few dollars more.
True, but the POTF2 FX X-Wing was, at that time, a totally new mold of a classic ship with electronics that likely required a large amount of R&D funds and was (IIRC) the only totally new vehicle mold released in 1998. It should also be noted that it went on clearance pretty quickly when it didn't sell through at the 50 dollar price, even at Wal-Mart (who hardly ever mark anything down; I got mine at a Wal-Mart for 20 bucks just after Christmas 1998). And then they showed up in TRU's massive clearance sales for as low as 10 bucks in some places.
As much as I want the Y-Wing, I have a feeling that, if it makes it to retail at all (since in their infinite wisdom, Hasbro will be releasing the Shadow ARC-170 two months prior to the Y-Wing, allowing that part of the shelf to be fully warmed for a while), it's going to hit the clearance aisle at Target, at the very least, right after Christmas, meaning it will have only been out for 2 months by that point at most.
-
Yeah, thinking of the Power FX X-Wing, that was one of the first vehicles I picked up in the modern line and I got it on clearance as well. I don't recall even being aware of what the "regular" price was when I picked it up, but at the time I got the Falcon for $30 and the X-Wing for $20 on clearance at KB Toys. Quite a change from today, when I picked up the new Falcon last year for $150 and the latest use of the FX X-Wing mold (Wedge's this year) will likely be at least $60 I would think.
I agree, a pack in astro and/or pilot with these would make it much more reasonable. Of course, that causes headaches for people who want all the figures or astros, but don't want the ship necessarily. Its tough to know which way to go. I haven't decided yet if I'll pick this up or not. The price seems steep, but the ship is pretty cool. Plus, I'm still trying to decide if I should collect PT/CW vehicles going forward - as its really tough for me to find the display space for all of them - and it would be easier if I stuck to OT. Same goes for the other PT/CW ships I have had my eye on (AT-TE, Turbo Tank, etc.)
-
$60 is a bit of a stretch for this product, but hopefully the big box stores order in bulk and keep the prices down to $45 or so. Compared to the ARC-170, $60 is a steal for this. Compared to the Turbo Tank or even the old Y-Wing... not so much. Features on the Y-Wing seem pretty nifty but a couple of figures (Shadow Squadron Pilots) would have made this much easier to stomach.
-
On the fence with this one... it looks very cool, but that price tag seems about $20 too high.
-
the cockpit of the CW Y-wing looks like the one of Y wing from Holiday Special, When Luke was flying in a two seats cokpit.
-
(http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images//AUTOIMAGES/HS91378lg.jpg)
$74.99 at EE.com (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS91378)
This looks great, but if the higher-ups at Hasbro think that this is going to do well at this pricepoint, when you can get an ARC-170 for $35-40, then our suspicions have been confirmed: the vast majority of the management at Hasbro are addicted to a wide range of mind altering substances.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii261/putri_cloud/no-drugs-480.gif)
-
Outside of ebay, where can you find an ARC-170 for $35-40?
-
I'm SO disappointed in Hasbro on this. The ship is awesome no doubts. But the price? It's ridiculous. At $30 which is what I expected this to be, I'd have bought 3. At $40 I might have bought 2. Now I know I'm only buying 1 of them. Sucks to as I wanted one to put Anakin in and another for a clone pilot.
-
I expected this to be $50, which I consider a very fair price for a brand new tooling in this economy. EE is probably higher than what we'll see at Target. I'm sure that a lot of the final price for this has to do with the number of units shipped. I could very well see a much smaller number of these being ordered by retail in this environment than the gunships in the past which probably shipped 2 - 3 times as many in a big movie year.
-
What scares me is $75 for this release and then a myriad of repaints for $100 - $150 each.
-
What's scarier is that your math is about right.
-
I'm SO disappointed in Hasbro on this. The ship is awesome no doubts. But the price? It's ridiculous. At $30 which is what I expected this to be, I'd have bought 3. At $40 I might have bought 2. Now I know I'm only buying 1 of them. Sucks to as I wanted one to put Anakin in and another for a clone pilot.
You honestly expect to see new ship designs like this for $30? I'm not thrilled with the price, but I'm sure Hasbro is pricing these at what they need to in order to turn a profit. Remember, they don't get your full $70, they get maybe half that selling to retailers like Target or Walmart and the retailers get the other half. If you factor in overhead, design, materials sourcing, production, shipping, etc. I'm not at all surprised that something of this size and 100% new is going to cost us $60-70. That's still considerably less than something like the AT-TE or TurboTank.
Look at it this way, Hasbro can either make it and sell to you for $70 or they can decide to not make it at all because they won't get enough profit. If you don't like the cost, simply don't buy it and it will be no different for you than if they hadn't made it in the first place. You know there will be sales and clearance on these as well, so I'm sure a number of people will be able to get it at $50-60 or even less given time.
-
But will they make much profit if very few purchase it because of a high pricepoint?
The Jedi Starfighters sold very well and they were new molds (until the myriad of repaints which also sold well) and they were at a significantly lower pricepoint.
-
If you look at the pictures of this that have been released so far, you can see that the Y-Wing is going to be over twice the length of the Jedi fighter, if not longer, with much more girth as well as some fairly complicated features in the dual cockpit. Shouldn't twice the ship = twice the price?
It also lends itself to MUCH fewer repaint opportunities, (being seen in only one livery thus far) and therefore repeat purchases, which would impact Hasbro's pricing strategy (I'm sure they considered the opportunity to release about 6 screen accurate versions of the Jedi fighter when they first priced the vehicle).
-
But will they make much profit if very few purchase it because of a high pricepoint?
Hasbro's all but already made all the profit to make it worth their while. They don't (or at least shouldn't) go into production unless there's already a pre-sold quantity to retailers. At this point it's all about the retailers standing to take the hit. If there's not much in the way of re-orders, that's when Hasbro knows whether or not the item was a success, but they really didn't take the loss unless they over produced like the E1 line. But then again, these things are really inexpensive to make and distribute.
-
For me it really comes down to how many more times is Hasbro going to expect me to buy this vehicle?
For example, if the AT-TE only comes out once and they wanted $100 for it then fine. I'm okay with that.
But I'm willing to bet that they are trying to convince a retailer somewhere to take a "Shadow" AT-TE as an exclusive. Which means the same toy with a new paint-op will be 1.5x the price it was before.
Now sure, I could pass on it, but after 15 years of having everything, is that really an option? Nope.
Same goes with the Y-Wing, are they going to repaint the heck out of this just like they did with the Jedi Starfighters? I sure as heck hope not, but looking at what's going on with the ARC-170, I would have never thought that four years after it's initial release it would be going for almost DOUBLE what it originally came out for as part of the same assortment that the Y-Wing is in.
I'm sorry, but the smaller vehicles are $20 - $25, Hasbro SHOULD be finding a way to have these double-size vehicles be $50 - $60 -- crossing the $70 mark is just asking for trouble.
I think a lot of retailers are going to SIT on these due to the price. Look at the B-Wing exclusive to TRU, are you telling me that just because it isn't "Clone Wars" it's not selling? That's b.s. TRU has clearanced it down to $30 and it STILL isn't moving. What makes Hasbro think $70 vehicles are going to move?
I think we'll get the Y-Wing and the Shadow ARC-170 and this assortment line will be done.
-
There will be an intial slow sell through from collectors to be sure, but ya - I hope the rest rot at these prices even though that means no more large vehicles. Hasbro needs to learn a lesson from this - as I'm seeing with piles and piles of unsold CW Jabbas at $25 which they may have seen coming because they're switching back to those repack bps again.
-
There will be an intial slow sell through from collectors to be sure, but ya - I hope the rest rot at these prices even though that means no more large vehicles. Hasbro needs to learn a lesson from this - as I'm seeing with piles and piles of unsold CW Jabbas at $25 which they may have seen coming because they're switching back to those repack bps again.
I guess we'll see, but I think the opposite is going to happen. I think there are enough people interested even at the high price that these will probably sell out when they first show up. Depending on how many each store gets, things may slow down and we might start seeing these clog shelves, but isn't there are a repack shipping with this as well? I'm expecting to see lots of those and not much of the bombers.
As for the CW Jabbas, I think the issue there is more assortment driven than price. $25 certainly doesn't help, but at 2 per case versus the Yavin and AT-TE Squad at 1 per case, its no wonder this thing is sitting around. I know plenty of people that want 2 more Yavin sets - not too many of us need a second or third animated Jabba.
-
I'm SO disappointed in Hasbro on this. The ship is awesome no doubts. But the price? It's ridiculous. At $30 which is what I expected this to be, I'd have bought 3. At $40 I might have bought 2. Now I know I'm only buying 1 of them. Sucks to as I wanted one to put Anakin in and another for a clone pilot.
You honestly expect to see new ship designs like this for $30? I'm not thrilled with the price, but I'm sure Hasbro is pricing these at what they need to in order to turn a profit. Remember, they don't get your full $70, they get maybe half that selling to retailers like Target or Walmart and the retailers get the other half. If you factor in overhead, design, materials sourcing, production, shipping, etc. I'm not at all surprised that something of this size and 100% new is going to cost us $60-70. That's still considerably less than something like the AT-TE or TurboTank.
Look at it this way, Hasbro can either make it and sell to you for $70 or they can decide to not make it at all because they won't get enough profit. If you don't like the cost, simply don't buy it and it will be no different for you than if they hadn't made it in the first place. You know there will be sales and clearance on these as well, so I'm sure a number of people will be able to get it at $50-60 or even less given time.
I did factor all of that in...
Point being this is NOT an AT-TE or a Turbo Tank. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles that those do. From what I understand it's only a little bigger than the Y-wing we have right now.
The only way I could justify this pricepoint is if the panels came off and we would then be left with an OT Ywing. THAT would do it for me. But it doesn't appear this is the case. If I'm wrong on that, I'll happily admit it.
So, yes I DO expect to pay only $30, 40 tops for a ship like this. We only are paying $20-24 for the NEW Magnadroid fighter and that's an awesome ship. It has a few little bells and whistles and that's all it needs. Same for this CW Y-wing.
I know what I'm going to do for this now. I'm going to buy one at full price, hold onto the receipt. Then if it goes on sale, buy it at that price (and hopefully multiples depending on the sale price), then take one back with the receipt from the original full price and get my money back. The only reason for purchasing this at full price initially is that I do see it as being a popular ship and will sell well, so I don't want to take a chance and miss out.
However, I won't be convinced that this is anything more than greed for the pricepoint of this ship.
-
However, I won't be convinced that this is anything more than greed for the pricepoint of this ship.
I agree with Sal here - when a ship like the ARC-170 ends up in Black and in the same assortment at the same price and it originally came out in 2005 for $29.99 and then in 2007 for $29.99 as a Target exclusive and then in 2008 we got it again for $44.99 as a TRU exclusive and then in 2009 for $74.99 is nothing more than GREED.
So even if you want to say the overall price for manufacturing has gone up, that means that if the ARC-170 = the Y-Wing in Hasbro's mind (i.e. in the same assortment) then this assortment shouldn't be a penny more than $49.99.
It just shouldn't. (and in my mind letting them mark it up by $5 compared to the 2008 exclusive price is being overly generous)
-
Wasn´t the Ot Y wing a ship with a two seats cockpit too? I say this for the holiday special and the Splinter of the eye mind comic.
-
Wasn´t the Ot Y wing a ship with a two seats cockpit too? I say this for the holiday special and the Splinter of the eye mind comic.
I'll bet Jesse has a much better answer for you than I can come up with, but I think that there were two versions of the ship. One was a single seater, like we saw at the Battle of Yavin. And then EU sources have made up a two seater as well.
-
The Alliance Y-Wings are mostly altered to have the turret removed, as well as most of the armor, to make them faster, a little more maneuverable, and more reliant on the on-board astromech to help in ship operations. The turret is replaced with a fixed-front dual Ion Cannon then, but it can be fixed to face dead 0 in the rear as well (though that's only mentioned, never actually seen in games or anything).
Some Y-Wings are altered then in EU, as originally in the EU the ion cannon was what the ship came with just like in the OT, however the Y-Wings in their original state now (as we see it in Clone Wars 3D) has a different turreted rear gunner... The EU Y-Wings with dual seat cockpits have the rear-gunner sitting similar to the Snowspeeder pilot/gunner duo, and he is able to operate the ion cannon on top rotating it 360 degrees + tilting up/down somewhat.
So, the summary of all that BS is that there's the Clone Wars Y-Wing which is a YW in its original state. There is the original trilogy Y-Wings then, with their heavily stripped down looks, and removed gunner turret with a fixed forward ion cannon mounted on the cockpit top. Then there is the EU Y-Wing where either it's an alteration the Alliance has made, or Y-Wings were maybe produced with this alteration as well, where there's a back-to-back configuration for pilot/gunner, and there's a movable gun atop the craft for the gunner to fire.
The CW3D Y-Wings have goofed up the EU continuity somewhat with the YW, but at the same time they're adhering to the YW being an old craft that dates from the Clone Wars. I would've liked seeing Z-95's myself.
-
Thanks Ryan and Jesse for your answers. :)
-
I bet that buy the time Gold Squadron was in the Death Star trench they were wishing the second ball turret gunner was still on board!
-
Jesse, I'd bet heavy on us seeing a Z-95 Headhunter in the future.
-
I bet that buy the time Gold Squadron was in the Death Star trench they were wishing the second ball turret gunner was still on board!
That depends... The second turret would've definitely been a power drain for life support, the weapon itself, and its ability to function. That removed ball turret probably was to add speed/maneuverability. The YW maybe wouldn't have even been considered if it wasn't adaptable to "modern" combat like that. That's the supposed backstory to YW's at least, in that they're relics, but were widely used around the galaxy (and apparantly in the CW) because they're cheap, easy to get/maintain, and much like the Z-95's EU storylines the YW is an adaptable craft. When stripped down it's still one of the slower Rebel fighters, but it's also one of its toughest and most durable throughout the war... The X-Wing games described it as the "backbone of the Rebel fighter corps", in numbers and in survivability. Unmodified from its CW design, it perhaps isn't even fast enough to make it past the higher-level flak fire from the DS's surface and becomes an easier target for the stationary guns. Kind of like comparing a fighter-bomber to a dedicated bomber, in some sense I guess.
Sorry for the ramblings, I love fighter shop talk though.
I don't know about seeing a Z-95 Sal. I meant more in the EU (CW3D) than as a toy. I think it has even less chance as a toy honestly. Unless it's in the toon of course, and in some quantity there.
-
So we got some prototype images of this... They're on the front page, go check 'em out!
The weird news is I have heard a preliminary measurement of this, and it may damn well be a to-scale Y-Wing fighter. I'm wetting myself at the thought. If it is I'm down for two I think. If they do a OT sculpt, I'm down for 3 gold decoes and 1 of any other deco they may try.
This may very well be the best fighter Hasbro's ever done if those measurements hold true.
Anyhoo, check out the front page, and look the details of this behemoth over because they're a-plenty! Opening hatches and whatnot, looks like a little ordinance too. Very neat toy regardless. I'm giddy at the thoughts though, that this thing may be accurate. Hasbro will have me totally roped in on it if they did it that nice.
-
Looks a little chunky to me. Not sure if I dig the parts above the nacelles either.
-
Looks a little chunky to me. Not sure if I dig the parts above the nacelles either.
I thought the same thing at first but I just think it's assembled incorrectly. Those nacelles should be rotated inward 90º to fit into the angled areas of the fuselage.
-
They're on the front page, go check 'em out!
I still seem to forget doing that. Thanks for the reminder.
-
Eh, the more I see this the more I'm turned off. I think it makes me only like the OT design more.
-
I think it looks pretty cool, especially if it is as big as Jesse is hearing. I keep trying to cut back on the PT/CW ships I buy, but so many of them look like nice (and fun) toys. I might be tempted to pick one of these up, we'll see what the final product looks like (and the budget at the time). I get more tempted by the CW vehicles that have an "OT vibe" ;).
-
Wow, just wow....and not in a good way. When I first saw the prototype drawing for this before the cartoon I was excited about the ship. Seeing these new photos though, BLEH. I think I can easily pass on this now if those nacelles are like that. The price is still nagging me too.
-
Wow, just wow....and not in a good way. When I first saw the prototype drawing for this before the cartoon I was excited about the ship. Seeing these new photos though, BLEH. I think I can easily pass on this now if those nacelles are like that. The price is still nagging me too.
Looks a little chunky to me. Not sure if I dig the parts above the nacelles either.
I thought the same thing at first but I just think it's assembled incorrectly. Those nacelles should be rotated inward 90º to fit into the angled areas of the fuselage.
-
I'm starting to get excited about this. It looks really big, at least 2' long, and I'm loving the fact that I'm getting a SW ship with a function ball turret! That's super cool. I always loved those on WWII bombers, and am really looking forward to playing with this thing (Dobn't shoot the astromech! {Unless it's Goldie!})
-
Are you sure this thing is two feet long? That would put it at about the size of the BMF Falcon.
-
I don't know how long it is, I am just estimating on the size of the cockpit compared to the old Y-Wing cockpit. Jesse James claims to know the length of this, but he is not saying. There is a measuring tape under the ship, but it is a little too blurry to read the numbers.
-
The measurement estimate I was given is probably not exact, but puts it right around being to-scale to 1:18. Slightly smaller, which actually SW figures are more in the 1:19 TO 1:20 range as 1:18 is a hair larger. I consider it not a big difference and SW scale is all over the board at times too. Look at Captain Needa or a DST for instance. ::)
The measurement I was given could be off so I'm hesitant to say for sure it's to-scale, but if it was right then it's almost dead on.
-
Okay, what is the measurement you were given that might be incorrect?
Give or take a couple inches is okay.
-
Ancient Chinese secret... I converted it already though and it comes to about 1:20 on the button which shocked the hell out of me at the time. I'm anxious to see if it's true or not. I didn't believe the AT-TE's measurements which I got early from a friend as well, and yet it turned out to be accurate as well.
-
Not so secret, actually. You're claiming that this ship measures out to 1/20 of 23m, which is the official sw database length, so about 43", correct?
Very big, very impressive! Thanks for the info, JJ!
-
43 inches... somehow that doesn't seem right.
-
Sounds to big to me, too, but that is apparently his info, unless I got 1/20 of 23m wrong.
-
This has got be good material for the "Quote Your Fellow Posters Out Of Context!" thread. ;D
-
If this is scaled down to be 1/20 of 23m, I think your calculations are pretty close.
(http://www.rebelscum.com/episodeI/ep1vehqueenstarshipright.jpg)
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/09CW_ProtoYW5_Full.jpg)
The Royal Starship was huge, I wonder how this thing will look compared to it...?
-
The other option is that JJ is going by the dimensions given for the OT Y-Wing, which the SW database gives as 16m, which would then measure out to a more reasonable 31". Also, one must assume that all measurements include the two turbo cannons sticking out the nose, which would account for a bit of the length.
In addition, The size of the droid slot, seems to push this towards the 30" size rather than the 40" size.
-
43 inches is almost 4 feet. Just can't be. Sure looks good though.
-
I'm going by the 16m measurement of the OT Y-WIng, which, for all intents and purposes, is the same ship just with its "skin" on it. There's been no indication that it's a different length as far as I know, as everything appears the same, just with the armor plating. The only difference structurally being the cockpit differences of course.
Definitely not in the 40" range though, no... That's huge, and YW's aren't actually massive like that in either the toon or the movie.
I'm not being real secretive about it though, honestly. I was just told a length by a friend with it, and his length may or may not be 100% spot-on correct. That's the only reason I'm remaining a little aloof about it. It may or may not be totally accurate. I'm assuming it was measured from guntip to the end of one of the nacels, and that it is accurate, but I'm not positive since I can't see it in person to be sure myself, haha. I'm particular like that.
I don't know why there'd be a discrepency in length of the two ships though... Nothing implies between the two that the CW3D YW is larger than the OT YW. If anything, it's implied they're the same ship, simply modified, and the OT YW is not some massive piece of machinery by any stretch. SW fighters are actually quite small compared to real-world modern day fighter jets.
I'm trying to put some positive vibes to this though. I think there's good things coming with it. ;)
EDIT:
I see what you're saying about the two lengths on SW.com... I'm gonna call bunk on that though, as if you read the whole article the guy who designed it even acknowledges that he designed the Y-Wing for CW3D over top the actual model from the original trilogy... I'm not positive why SW.com is implying there's such a large size discrepency between the OT and CW3D ships, as that's a fairly significant difference when the ship's intended by the designer himself to be just stripped down. The only difference I could sort of imagine that could change the ship length like that, would be possibly truncating the nacels to remove "bulk". Regardless though this is something I'm willing to give a little creative leeway to, as EU is never consistant as we see here.
The only thing I'm disappointed in is the rear turret's design/placement, as compared to the CW3D model... Something I think I'm willing to overlook but which is a little distracting. I'm not buying the 7 meters worth of "length" being chopped off it though. That's, I'm wagering, some asshat trying to explain why we have this Y-Wing all armored up, along with the Y-Wing from the Cross-sections all armored up, and trying to say, "See both existed!", which falls into the usual trap of EU conflicting with EU, and nerds trying to make all this **** fit together, instead of just forgetting about one of the two conflicting things. Kinda like the different Spacetrooper designs and whatnot.
I was wondering who was going to try cramming the two Y-Wing designs together, and how they'd go with it.
-
30" sounds right, including gun tips. I esti-measured it out using the droid slot width as a guide, and came up with about 26" over the main body, + 3-4" for the protruding guns.
I also have to believe that this ship is intended to be of the same model that pops up in the OT, with as you said, the panels ripped off and the turret and rear gunner station replaced with the fixed cannons. So much of the databank stuff is blatantly EU, anyway.
-
Judging by that picture, I'd say it's slightly larger than the Y-Wing in my collection.
-
Going by the droid socket alone, I think it's actually pretty significantly larger than the OT Y-Wings, Matt. For instance, if the sockets were functional on the OT Y-Wings, the droid would barely fit with any space to his left or right. Compared to the socket on the new one though, look at the large space to either side... That's a pretty significant difference in size in the bulk of the body there. Also the droids on the OT Y-Wings are very close to the cockpit while on this one there's a good gap between as there should be.
A lot of size difference is going to be made up in the nacels too, which are truncated a lot on the original Y-WIng sculpt.
-
The Vintage Y-wing had a working droid socket. I agree tht this new Y-wing is bigger, but I don't think it's Queen's Starship or BMF Falcon big.
-
Along with the Corporate Alliance Tank Droid boxed image, we got a new boxed shot of the Clone Wars Y-Wing Fighter as well out on the front page. Pretty spiffy looking overall. I think this is probably the best looking toy they're putting out this year. No offense to Turbo Tank fans, but that just falls flat to me for some reason. :-\
-
...No offense to Turbo Tank fans, but that just falls flat to me for some reason. :-\
I'm kind of agreeing with you on that Jesse. I thought I'd be excited for the Turbo Tank and now I'm not. It's just WAY to undersized and the lower part by the wheels is too boxy for me. We don't need that to be a speeder launching section.
The CW Y-wing however is much as I thought a Y-wing would look like with armor, so I'm glad they're making this. The price point however is hitting me in the gut. I'd be slightly okay with $40. Though I'd prefer in the $30 range. The rumored $60 or $70 is too much. I don't know if I should buy one of these right away or hope for a sale down the line. I do expect these to be good sellers. But I don't know if they'll be great sellers, enough to warrant a panic about not buying them at first glance.
-
So based off the front page news the Y Wing will be in stores any day now is that correct? I was liking the first in store date way off in Oct. I wanted that extra time to save up that $65. Oh well.
-
I still can't get in the hang of stopping by the front page.
Bring on the Y-Wing though! Not looking forward to the high price, but I've been waiting for this thing. :)
-
So based off the front page news the Y Wing will be in stores any day now is that correct? I was liking the first in store date way off in Oct. I wanted that extra time to save up that $65. Oh well.
October will probably be the soonest you see this thing as stores have to move through all of the ARC ships clogging the shelves.
-
Yes, according to Hasbro that's the schedule, however you know how that goes...
The thing working in the YW's favor is that it's been seen in Asia now for over a month. Usually once things are spotted you can count on them a month or two from when they're first seen. That's been my experience anyway (and by "you" I mean anyone on the West Coast, since it's usually at least a month till I see anything after it's already been found anywhere else! ;D ).
This was Hasbro's release though, so I think we'll see it sooner than later.
-
The more I look at this, the more I think it's great. However, I'm still going to pass. I like the idea of having a "new" version of this classic, but the top gun port takes me out of it.
-
It's not bad. The sticker sheet is basically all white, the stickers go on the white part, and they're basically invisible from a distance. Totally worthless except for one which goes in the canopy.
Hasbro really loaded it up with play features. For the asking price, I'm a little surprised they didn't put in a beep or a light or something, but there's a ton of projectiles here. The handle's a nice touch. R2-D2 and the gunner could probably use a booster seat though.
-
I just picked one of these up last night at a Wal-Mart here in the Los Angeles area.
Very, very cool ship. I usually don't collect vehicles, but this thing was hard to pass up. Y-Wing was probably my favorite ship from the OT so to see it all sparkly and new and armored up is pretty darn cool!
Here's some info for those of you looking for this sucker:
Assortment Number: 91378/91350
UPC Number: 6 56569 43597 6
Hope that helps, and good luck!
-
Man, thanks for the UPC #.
I just got off a painful call with the local Walmart trying to get them to check stock on that #. I had to read it back to them 3 different times and they still couldn't find it.
THIS SUCKS!!!
-
THIS SUCKS!!!
Patience, young Padawan. I'm sure it'll show up eventually.
-
I picked up one in a Wal-Mart in New Jersey. Used that 5.00 Clone bucks too. Got it for 59.00. Then I walked across the parking lot and got a Fedaration Droid Tank for 16.99 at Target with more Clone Bucks.
-
All of my Targets are stacked double deep with ARCs so I'll be making more visits to WM to score this sucker. Got my EE catalog today and they have the Imperial ARC advertised as a "best seller" at $74.99. Yeeaaaaah right.
-
All of my Targets are stacked double deep with ARCs so I'll be making more visits to WM to score this sucker. Got my EE catalog today and they have the Imperial ARC advertised as a "best seller" at $74.99. Yeeaaaaah right.
Are you saying I can't tell what's selling well at my job? :) It's a best-seller for *us*.
Seriously though, it's been doing pretty well for us. High-end toys and collectibles are kinda our thang.
-
the Imperial ARC advertised as a "best seller" at $74.99. Yeeaaaaah right.
It's a best-seller for *us*.
Seriously though, it's been doing pretty well for us.
I'm not surprised some folks are paying $75 at EE, it's cheaper than the $80 that TRU is charging. :P
-
Yeah, but the shipping nullifies that savings even with the tax you'd have to pay at TRU.
This is one OVERPRICED toy. I'm still passing on it. If it ever dwindles down to $40 or less I may bite. I like the deco, but it's not worth that high price to me.
-
Saw what looked like a red striped Y-Wing last night on a CW season 2 commercial. It was a very brief fly by over what looked like Geonosis, but I bet that will be the next paint scheme offered on this thing.
-
I am starting to get concerned these will not hit any brick and mortar retail outlets around here at all. It's very odd for a toy to have been out this long (over 6 weeks now at least) and not a single one has shown up at any of the 20+ stores I check each week.
I just don't see any movement on those space-sucking Turbo Tanks and ARC-170's. I think they are going to lay there forever and completely impede the flow of new toys to the shelves.
-
Saw what looked like a red striped Y-Wing last night on a CW season 2 commercial. It was a very brief fly by over what looked like Geonosis, but I bet that will be the next paint scheme offered on this thing.
I saw that as well and immediately thought the same thing. :D
I am starting to get concerned these will not hit any brick and mortar retail outlets around here at all. It's very odd for a toy to have been out this long (over 6 weeks now at least) and not a single one has shown up at any of the 20+ stores I check each week.
I just don't see any movement on those space-sucking Turbo Tanks and ARC-170's. I think they are going to lay there forever and completely impede the flow of new toys to the shelves.
The Y-wings will show up eventually. Hasbro stated that there was a delay in getting them out there in a decent supply necessitating the shelf space place holder Imp. ARC. Patience.
-
Well, those ARC-170's are certainly doing a good job "holding the shelf space" - none have budged around here for weeks.
Patience, to me, is relative. If there are no new toys out, I have no problem waiting for new merch to hit the shelves. But if there's a toy out, but I can't find it yet around here, OH, IT'S ON!
It's like having a mental tic...I just get driven to the point of distraction.
Luckily it has not been so bad with the Y-Wing, since this is a pricey item and unlikely to fly off the shelves when (or if) it hits. I don't feel the same level or urgency.
Lately though my concern has grown as I have seen reports around the Interwebz that we should probably buy this as soon as we see it as it may not be around long, or in great numbers. Richmond is pretty much of a hole, so I don't expect it to be a high priority on Hasbro's distribution manifest.
Having said that. I'll probably see six of them next week...
-
Yeah, I'm hoping these will show up in better numbers eventually. I haven't seen any sign of them locally either (lots of ARCs, and WM - at least our closest one - doesn't seem to carry the larger vehicles). Although they have been found for awhile now, it doesn't seem all that wide spread yet. Still lots of us looking, making me hope they are coming down the pipeline yet. Plus, I don't know that Hasbro is going to short change any of these CW vehicles, particularly the ones with all-new tooling. They want them out there as much as we do.
-
I just missed the Y-Wing the other day. The Arc is everywhere in Chicagoland and is collecting dust. While I really do want one, this is one of the first times that I am OK waiting out for clearance. I will pay $45 not $65. I am not too confident I will see the Y-Wing soon as the case pack is 1 and 1. The last thing stores need are more ARC's. I wonder if Hasbro will pull an order 66 on that one to continue the SKU. I do not see a bright future for this price point.
-
I got mine two weekends ago, and I initially left it on the shelf. Thought it over, considered the case pack, and decided to go on back to get it. Couldn't regret that decision any less.
I know some of you guys are pro clearance (I am too, when it works) but this is one of the few high ticket, nonexclusive items that I'll tell you to buy when you see it. The ARC is just taking up shelf space, and the fact that the ratio of ARCs to Ys is 3:1 is not a good sign. I'm not sure if the Y-Wing will eventually be 2 per case, but when/if that occurs you may very well be competing with the Christmas shoppers.
It's a shame that the ARC ended up as the placeholder for the line. The Republic Gunship would have been a much better choice as the secondary market prices show that they are always very much in demand. This line does have some potential and seems like a great avenue for the Clone Trooper Shuttle or Twilight, but I doubt it will last through the holiday season.
-
I will buy a Y-Wing on the spot if I see one but I will wait for ARC clearance or a reduced price. (Hopefully Hasbro will have the foresight to send out a Clone Cash like coupon for $20 off soley the ARC). I have never waited any item out before so this is a first for me, I really like the imp deco just not the price. I could not agree more about the Gunship but I think it had more to do with tooling capacity as the TRU one is around the corner. Even though there are upgrades to it, it's still the same tool and they could not produce it simultaneously. That's why there is a 1:1 in the case pack on Y-Wings, they can only make so many Y-Wings with 1 tool since it got a late start. While I am less inclined on prequel vehicles I would love the Twilight as it would make a great bounty hunter ship. I do not see a bright future for this line........
I believe it would have been wiser to lose the space for now and launch this in the Spring 2010. It's SW so I doubt they would have had a hard time getting that space back later. Other lines would have a hard time. They quite possibly shot themselves on this one. I hope I am wrong.
-
I saw one for the first time the other day. While I normally pick things up when I see them - this time I chose to leave it.
I do want to get two of these eventually, but I'm in no rush. These will be easy to find by the holiday shopping season.
-
...These will be easy to find by the holiday shopping season.
I'm not so certain about that. They may or may not be easy to find, but I highly doubt the price will come down, if that's what you're looking for. It's a good design and seems relatively popular. I'm guessing this won't be that easy to find, but for one exception, the price. That is going to be the deciding factor for this thing moving at retail. Lop $20-25 off the price and this thing would "fly" off the shelves, IMO.
-
Yep, I am not confident that this will be easy to find either...unless they pull an Order 66 on all those Turbo Tanks and ARC-170's that are languishing on the shelves.
I actually saw this for the first time in Walmart last night (figures, after ranting about it) but in a cruel twist of fate they only had one on display and the box was damaged. Not acceptable.
Still, if I saw it at one, I am hopeful it will pop up elsewhere soon.
-
I actually saw this for the first time in Walmart last night (figures, after ranting about it) but in a cruel twist of fate they only had one on display and the box was damaged. Not acceptable.
I always freak out that stuff will be tough to find and of course at some point it isn't. But my normal rule of thumb as a non opener is buy it when you see it, even in a beat up box, and then exchange it for a better box when you find it again, JUST IN CASE it really does turn out to be tough to find. I'd rather have a crushed box than none at all. My two cents.
-
I just found this at TRU for $69.99, they lowered their price. My box was has a decent size ding in one corner which means I have a damaged backdrop but like many others it's not a big deal. I am just happy to find it as I think this will be semi difficult to find.
-
I always freak out that stuff will be tough to find and of course at some point it isn't. But my normal rule of thumb as a non opener is buy it when you see it, even in a beat up box, and then exchange it for a better box when you find it again, JUST IN CASE it really does turn out to be tough to find. I'd rather have a crushed box than none at all. My two cents.
Yep, I am a non-opener too and I did exactly that with the Corporate Alliance Tank Droid. Bought the first one I saw and later exchanged it for a more minty box.
I guess the deciding factor was the expense...it would be more of an indulgence at this point. I may as well wait until I have a little more discretionary income.
Now if I finish my weekly runs Friday night and STILL haven't found anything new, I will likely change my tune.
-
I'm really not waiting for a price drop, afterall the one I saw was at a WM which is the best price there is around.
I do normally grab when I see it and for my MIB collection, exchange it out if I find one in better shape (if necessary).
I guess for me, it was more of an issue of budgeting at the moment. I'd much rather have the money right now to spend on things that aren't going to be continually shipping - such as the WM Exclusive Comic packs (if they start to hit) or those new Target CW Battlepacks or buying the Target Geonosis Arena 2-packs from Amazon.com, etc...
As of late, there hasn't been anything that was "rare" as long as you go hunting often enough...
I was freaked out that the Ambush on the Vulture's Claw BP was going to be hard to find, now I'm finding it EVERYWHERE.
The same will be true with the Y-Wing, by November.
-
WHEW!
I finally scored the Y-Wing this morning, and I am MAJORLY relieved. TRU had exactly 1 on the shelf, luckily in a decent box. $73 after tax, but the free Clone Trooper manual was a nice bonus. (they really did a sweet job with this thing)
I am officially caught up with every last CW toy officially available to retail outlets.
Bring on the new BP's and next Fig Wave!
-
Still haven't seen this one and I'm thinking it could be a while. The Shadow ARC is collecting dust at every big box store around here (and we have many). I'm really curious to see what XMas brings this year. Usually XMas brings out the parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles who clean shelves of whatever is on it. Though with so many people just struggling to makes ends meet will the same happene again this year?
I think it's the only way, short of clearances, to get the Shadow ARC off shelves.
-
Still haven't seen this one and I'm thinking it could be a while. The Shadow ARC is collecting dust at every big box store around here (and we have many). I'm really curious to see what XMas brings this year. Usually XMas brings out the parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles who clean shelves of whatever is on it. Though with so many people just struggling to makes ends meet will the same happene again this year?
I think it's the only way, short of clearances, to get the Shadow ARC off shelves.
I worked for Target for years and can't think of more than a couple instances where Target will put a specific item from an assortment on clearance. Because they put DPCIs on clearance not the specific item which would mean the Y Wing would be marked down too. And they can't change the DPCI since they come in the same assortment.
-
amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0024HBJNE?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwjedidefend-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B0024HBJNE) has them in stock. I was worried that I wasn't going to get one for my son so I just bit the bullet and ordered on line. The ARC's are not and will not move I'm afraid :-\ and who knows how many are still in the Target system. Add to that an absolute train wreck of a local Wal Mart I'm OK with ordering :P
-
I definitely have my finger on the trigger... What did the cost with shipping come to? That's the deal breaker for me at this point. I'm just afraid with the higher cost ($70) that the shipping might price it high enough that I might opt to wait. Of course watch me regret that. Ugh...
-
Just did a search on Amazon....Um are those true secondary prices on the TAC & OTC Y-Wings?
$150 (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=y-wing) ???
-
are those true secondary prices on the TAC & OTC Y-Wings?
If by "true secondary prices" you mean 'prices that scalpery on-line shops are charging', then yes.
If by "true secondary prices" you mean 'what people are actually paying for them', then no. Plenty sell on eBay for $30-50.
-
The total with Tax and Shipping was $77...we traded in quite a few birthday gift cards though
-
Just did a search on Amazon....Um are those true secondary prices on the TAC & OTC Y-Wings?
$150 (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=y-wing) ???
A similar question was brought up in the 1:18 military world because since 21st's selling of their assets (at least in part) to another company, 1:18 has gone through the roof a lot. The weird thing is though, it's spilled over to the "Bravo Team" stuff at Target, and the other day a Bravo Team Bradley and Abrams (like $20 and $30 respectively I believe), sold for $150 total on Ebay (or thereabouts). It was absurd, and on something that just showed up at TRU not long ago and is likely to resurface at Target too.
Ebay's a nutty place.
I picked up a model rocket I wanted because it was an accurately scaled SW item, and I watched the auctions closely and the first one went for around $100... The very next one had a BIN for $30 I missed, and the third one I put a $20 bid on, and won. Just no rhyme or reason at times.
-
Definitely no rhyme or reason to eBay. I have seen loose figures (mostly what I search being a loose collector) go for astronomical amounts and I have sat and said "WTF" :o, and then hours later (or a day later) seen the same figure go for half or less than half. It's odd and I can't grasp the workings whatsoever.
I can say at times I'm astonished at what some loose figures go for. Whudda thunk the POTF2 garbage would fetch more than a couple of bucks, yet I have seen some end [loose] $10+ :-X
-
Saw 2 CW Y-wing at one local store, i had to hesitate for a moment, & decided to not buy it at retail price, I still want a plenty of figures that I can buy for that amount of money, dough I would love to have Matchstick on that ship when the time be :) I know those two will no see it at my next visit but who cares am not that rich :(
-
Saw this today at a mom & pop shop. But at $69.99 it was too pricey for my tastes. Plus, I've got some Target gift cards I want to put to good use. So, I passed.
-
After sitting around for nearly a month, I finally got around to opening this. I have to say, I'm more than a little underwhelmed.
-
I have to say, I'm more than a little underwhelmed.
Why is that? :(
-
Too big. Too clean. Not enough detail. Feels light, way too cheep for the price. I'm just not feeling it. I'm thinking about returning it.
-
Too big. Too clean. Not enough detail. Feels light, way too cheep for the price. I'm just not feeling it. I'm thinking about returning it.
Wow, that's really sad. You'd think for that outrageous price they'd have hit it out of the park. I respect your assessment Ant. I want this ship, but definitely not at that price.
-
Well I have to respectfully disagree. I like it, and I feel like it was worth every penny. I guess a little weathering would've been nice, but I'm not too bothered by it since after all these were brand new ships in the episode IIRC. But yeah, at this price, I can definitely understand people being disappointed with details like that, so sorry to hear you feel let down. :-\
-
I like the toy but like most I think the price is disgusting and it brings down my overall opinion of the toy. I feel the size is adequate and the toy feels hefty, but I agree that detail is lacking and some features could have been improved. My biggest disappointment is the stationary gun turret. I fell that hasbro could have worked to make that swivel 360 degrees. And even though I do not apply stickers, the sheet included with the Y-Wing was just totally weak. If I weren't a hardcore Clone Wars fan, I'd be disappointed with this toy as well.
-
I like the toy but like most I think the price is disgusting and it brings down my overall opinion of the toy. I feel the size is adequate and the toy feels hefty, but I agree that detail is lacking and some features could have been improved. My biggest disappointment is the stationary gun turret. I fell that hasbro could have worked to make that swivel 360 degrees. And even though I do not apply stickers, the sheet included with the Y-Wing was just totally weak. If I weren't a hardcore Clone Wars fan, I'd be disappointed with this toy as well.
The lack of rotation on the gun turret is a big surprise and disappointment to me. It's such an important play feature, I can't believe they could be bothered to manufacture it in such a way so that it could fully rotate. SInce there are two pieces involved, I don't see how it could have cost any more to do it correctly.
-
Yeah, after taking a good hard look at this, I really don't need this in my collection. I'm putting an add in the classifieds for anyone who wants it. $60 shipped domestically.
-
I saw one tonight, and honestly I couldn't bring myself to buy it...
It's a decent toy, but it's an EU ship and so I am just not caving on this. I can't afford to plunk down that kind of scratch on a ship from the cartoon.
Make a scaled OT Y-Wing, and I'm in. Make a scaled X-Wing, and I'm in.
Make stuff scaled from the EU though, and unless it's from a game I really like, I'm out on it I think. Sorry.
-
Got my opener and MIB Y-Wings yesterday.
So I opened the Y-Wing and I like it. Wish it had been a bit cheaper - $55 instead of $65 would have been more in-line on this I think.
I know it's an EU vehicle, but until I can score a repack of Ashoka, Anakin and R2 from the CW line, two of my spare Clone Pilots from the Gunship Pod Battlepacks and one of the Yellow/White R5 B-A-Ds are currently sitting in the ship - it's got a very "White & Yellow" vibe going on right now.
Thankfully they made the landing gear on this Y-Wing very sturdy so there will not be any rear-landing-gear sag like there is on the re-releases of the Vintage vehicle.
-
I would not consider Clone Wars to be EU...that's comics, books and video games, IMHO.
Clone Wars may not be written by Lucas but it is closely managed and sanctioned by the Man Himself in a way none of the other properties are. I would say it is quasi-canonical. I guess it's splitting hairs, but I feel like this is more than just a bunch of yahoos sitting around dreaming up their own shtick.
-
There were a couple of these sitting on the shelf at our local Target for about a week, and I caved and picked one up. With a discount, I ended up getting it for $59 or so. I'm pretty happy with the ship overall, but like Jesse and others mentioned, it makes me really want to see a re-do of the OT version. I've been largely passing on PT/EU ships lately, to save money/space, but the ones with an Original Trilogy "vibe" to them are more tempting. That's why I took that $50 deal on the AT-TE earlier this year, and grabbed this one as well. I'm pretty happy with it overall, and don't mind the features put in (for kids) since they are hidden on the ship otherwise. I agree though, I'd rather see re-dos of more of the OT vehicles anymore at this point. The OT one I have does look pretty tiny next to this CW version.
-
I've had my Y-Wing since mid-August and I share many of the sentiments already echoed. In short, I like the ship, but feel that more could have been done with it for the price point. I see it as an example of Hasbro moving in the right direction - making larger vehicles with greater amounts of realistic detail - but the ship fell short from what it could have been in many respects. For one, the paint job could have used more weathering and coloration. Other Hasbro ships have that, including contemporary releases like Wedge's X-Wing at Target. The Y-Wing just screams white and yellow, almost to the point of being garish. My second beef is sort of funny, but I would have really liked landing gear that completely closed up inside the ship, without the open spaces (same for the missile bays). I know that is something Hasbro does not do on very many ships, but it would have been a nice touch on the Y-wing. Thirdly, the turret. I like its shape and the controls for it, but that piece should have at least had elevating guns and been able to rotate.
All in all, I do like the new Y-Wing and am glad Hasbro made it, but it could have been a real gem.
-
One thing I didn't mention earlier too is that as much as I enjoy the ship, it didn't necessarily feel worth $60 to me either. I think this would have been fine even as low as $45, although I know we'd never see that anymore. I do wonder how much life this "deluxe" vehicle line will have in it. It seems like a good place for the Twilight to appear, but I'm not sure what else. I'm not sure, but didn't Hasbro say that OT (or "movie") vehicles wouldn't appear here (much like the "mini rig" line)? If so, that sort of limits what could be put into this scale - at least at this point.
-
I would not consider Clone Wars to be EU...that's comics, books and video games, IMHO.
Clone Wars may not be written by Lucas but it is closely managed and sanctioned by the Man Himself in a way none of the other properties are. I would say it is quasi-canonical. I guess it's splitting hairs, but I feel like this is more than just a bunch of yahoos sitting around dreaming up their own shtick.
This is a pretty old argument across many forums... There's only ever been one answer to it though as LFL officially has answered this in the past. I see your point, so don't get me wrong, but LFL's own statement on what's canon and what isn't is that the films are the only canon, and everything else is considered Expanded Universe and part of the "official continuity". Things like "Visionaries" are the only things not considered part of it.
I agree Lucas probably has his hand in on this more than many other things, but ultimately Dave Filoni is helming the ship. Lucas leaves that "It's EU" thing there so he can basically alter any of it at any point if he wants. Lucas isn't the one going through approving every character, design, or storyline in this though. So he's still relatively uninvolved and relying on Feloni ultimately.
So that makes the YW's EU ultimately, till Lucas decides to slip them into the AOTC or ROTS deluxe DVD's! (coming at some point to a store near you because it's too irresistable a chance to make more money!)
Good EU though, I like them a lot.
-
Good points, I'll buy that. I am 100% in favor of the films=canon only argument, so I will never argue against that logic. I guess my feeling is sort of that there are varying degrees of "EU-ness" and CW is pretty much the closest thing to the films continuity-wise. (Has to be because of the compressed timeframe)
Yeah, I'm just waiting to see a CGI-inserted Ahsoka somewhere in the next ROTS re-release.
-
I would not consider Clone Wars to be EU...that's comics, books and video games, IMHO.
Clone Wars may not be written by Lucas but it is closely managed and sanctioned by the Man Himself in a way none of the other properties are. I would say it is quasi-canonical. I guess it's splitting hairs, but I feel like this is more than just a bunch of yahoos sitting around dreaming up their own shtick.
This is a pretty old argument across many forums... There's only ever been one answer to it though as LFL officially has answered this in the past. I see your point, so don't get me wrong, but LFL's own statement on what's canon and what isn't is that the films are the only canon, and everything else is considered Expanded Universe and part of the "official continuity". Things like "Visionaries" are the only things not considered part of it.
I agree Lucas probably has his hand in on this more than many other things, but ultimately Dave Filoni is helming the ship. Lucas leaves that "It's EU" thing there so he can basically alter any of it at any point if he wants. Lucas isn't the one going through approving every character, design, or storyline in this though. So he's still relatively uninvolved and relying on Feloni ultimately.
So that makes the YW's EU ultimately, till Lucas decides to slip them into the AOTC or ROTS deluxe DVD's! (coming at some point to a store near you because it's too irresistable a chance to make more money!)
Good EU though, I like them a lot.
You guys need to read this interview: http://theforce.net/jedicouncil/interview/henrygilroyanddavefiloni.asp
-
So that makes the YW's EU ultimately, till Lucas decides to slip them into the AOTC or ROTS deluxe DVD's! (coming at some point to a store near you because it's too irresistable a chance to make more money!)
I'm all for adding Y-wings and even a few V-19s to an expanded opening scene of ROTS. That space battle was all too brief and it would be great to see something with a wider scope while tying the series into to the films. Hell, add Captain Rex to the 501st Legion that we see marching onto the Jedi Temple with Anakin/Vader while they are at it. ;D
-
So that makes the YW's EU ultimately, till Lucas decides to slip them into the AOTC or ROTS deluxe DVD's! (coming at some point to a store near you because it's too irresistable a chance to make more money!)
I'm all for adding Y-wings and even a few V-19s to an expanded opening scene of ROTS. That space battle was all too brief and it would be great to see something with a wider scope while tying the series into to the films.
I'd dig that. I agree that the battle was way to short. Could stand to have a few extra minutes added in there, but I'm not rebuying anymore of these SW movies until they finally do them up in BR.
Makes you wonder though - will they tinker with these movies every 10-20 years or so?
-
So that makes the YW's EU ultimately, till Lucas decides to slip them into the AOTC or ROTS deluxe DVD's! (coming at some point to a store near you because it's too irresistable a chance to make more money!)
You know, that is the exact thing I was thinking of when I opened up the Y-Wing this week as well. I wondered if Lucas would slip things like this (and the V-19 is another good example) into that opening sequence of ROTS. It would probably be simple enough to do, as they could just be within the space battle that is entirely CGI anyways. Would that bother anyone? I can honestly say I don't think I'd mind it. There are several updates that wouldn't bother me too much with the PT, while I can't say the same thing about the OT.
-
I totally agree on adding these to ROTS's opening sequence... V-19's especially as they're pretty much the core fighter of the Clone Wars, according to what's written about them. The Y-Wings I'd like to see too... The ARC-170's a neat ship, but it really just doesn't look like something that would be the "go-to" fighter for dogfighting.
-
I think they should add a whole new opening sequence to ROTS. That one was terrible.
-
Yeah, I'm just waiting to see a CGI-inserted Ahsoka somewhere in the next ROTS re-release.
This is most certainly coming at some point. I have always felt that we will probably never see the "fate" of Ashoka and Rex in the Cartoon - sure they kill off the Jedi-of-the-week every once and a while, but they are usually introduced and killed in the same episode or within the same episode arc. The new Jedi you've never seen before are the Red Shirts of the Animated Clone Wars series.
My current thinking on this is that the show will end with Ashoka no longer being a Padawan and going off with her own troops. They are NEVER going to show her dying on the show. Captain Rex will offer to keep an eye on her for Anakin and ask to transfer to Ashoka's squad as their commander. Then when GL finally releases ROTS on BR, we'll get a new Order 66 scene where Ashoka is taken out by Captain Rex wearing the ROTS style armor - which after the cartoon being on for three or four seasons would make that scene incredibly powerful.
So if that is what's in the cards, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get the movies on BR for at least another three years.
I would be great if GL added some other vehicles to the mix in that opening battle - specifically the Y-Wings and the V-19s.
-
My current thinking on this is that the show will end with Ashoka no longer being a Padawan and going off with her own troops. They are NEVER going to show her dying on the show. Captain Rex will offer to keep an eye on her for Anakin and ask to transfer to Ashoka's squad as their commander. Then when GL finally releases ROTS on BR, we'll get a new Order 66 scene where Ashoka is taken out by Captain Rex wearing the ROTS style armor - which after the cartoon being on for three or four seasons would make that scene incredibly powerful.
That sounds great. I'm going to be really disappointed if this isn't what happens now. The Order 66 scene(s) are so powerful already and that would just top it off.
-
My current thinking on this is that the show will end with Ashoka no longer being a Padawan and going off with her own troops. They are NEVER going to show her dying on the show. Captain Rex will offer to keep an eye on her for Anakin and ask to transfer to Ashoka's squad as their commander. Then when GL finally releases ROTS on BR, we'll get a new Order 66 scene where Ashoka is taken out by Captain Rex wearing the ROTS style armor - which after the cartoon being on for three or four seasons would make that scene incredibly powerful.
That sounds great. I'm going to be really disappointed if this isn't what happens now. The Order 66 scene(s) are so powerful already and that would just top it off.
I really like that idea too, but I don't think we'll see the last part about a SE scene. The rest of the ending you've laid out would still be great though.
-
My current thinking on this is that the show will end with Ashoka no longer being a Padawan and going off with her own troops. They are NEVER going to show her dying on the show. Captain Rex will offer to keep an eye on her for Anakin and ask to transfer to Ashoka's squad as their commander. Then when GL finally releases ROTS on BR, we'll get a new Order 66 scene where Ashoka is taken out by Captain Rex wearing the ROTS style armor - which after the cartoon being on for three or four seasons would make that scene incredibly powerful.
That sounds great. I'm going to be really disappointed if this isn't what happens now. The Order 66 scene(s) are so powerful already and that would just top it off.
I really like that idea too, but I don't think we'll see the last part about a SE scene. The rest of the ending you've laid out would still be great though.
I really like this storyline too! I think it would fit in the movie perfectly and answer the question of what happens to Ashoka.
-
How are the order 66 scenes already so powerful? At what point did the Jedi earn our sympathy?
-
How are the order 66 scenes already so powerful? At what point did the Jedi earn our sympathy?
How is the massacre of the Jedi Order not powerful, regardless of how you feel about the Jedi?
-
I still think it was highly implausible all of the clones instantly turned on the Jedi in the first place. It's not like they were subliminally programmed or anything, there's still a chain of command and I'm pretty sure "Lord of the Sith" does not outrank "General of the Republic Armies".
And are we really to believe ALL these clones were trained to understand and execute this order ahead of time and NONE of the Jedi got wind of it? Suuuuure.
TCW has already established that clones are capable of independent thought and action. (As with the traitor last season) So it seems highly improbably guys like Rex and Cody would have gone right along with this no questions asked.
-
I still think it was highly implausible all of the clones instantly turned on the Jedi in the first place.
It's actually super duper plausible since it's what happened in the movie. ;)
-
I still think it was highly implausible all of the clones instantly turned on the Jedi in the first place. It's not like they were subliminally programmed or anything, there's still a chain of command and I'm pretty sure "Lord of the Sith" does not outrank "General of the Republic Armies".
And are we really to believe ALL these clones were trained to understand and execute this order ahead of time and NONE of the Jedi got wind of it? Suuuuure.
First of all, a "Lord of the Sith" wasn't the person the GAR was responding to: it was actually to "Chancellor of the Republic", which is essentially the same thing as the US President being the Commander-in-Chief of the US military forces. Going one step further, the background material for ROTS (BTS books and especially the novelization) stated that, at the beginning of the film, the Senate enacted a law (put forth by Palpatine surrogates) that gave the Chancellor direct, top-level command of the GAR *and* the Jedi Order (this explanation would have preceded his conversation appointing Anakin to the Jedi Council as her personal representative). So, Order 66 was not given in Palpatine's capacity of Darth Sidious, but in his capacity as CIC of the GAR via a secured comm channel, and thus, regarded as a valid military order from the supreme commander of the military forces.
The Karen Traviss "Republic Commando" books (which are excellent reads, btw, and IMHO, one of the best things that the EU has given us) start each chapter with a background quote of some piece of the story that might not otherwise fit the narrative structure but is still important to understanding some of the motivations. In one book (which might actually be "Order 66" although I can't recall) some of the GAR command code is listed; Order 66 was a contingency in the event of treason by the Jedi Order, with similar "Orders" in place for treason by other government entities, including the Chancellor himself. This was apparently instilled in the clones from birth by the Kaminoans and the training process. It's also stated in the ROTS novelization that the reason the Jedi didn't anticipate being murdered is because the clones did it without emotion or thought, implying that, to them, Order 66 was just another order that they were following.
All this being said, I've always preferred that Order 66 was a subconscious implant that Palpatine/Sidious triggered when the time was right, mostly due to the whole "independent thought" aspect of the clones that we've kind of seen a bit in the animated series, but also in the RC book series. Kind of a "sleeper cell activation code" as it were, but LFL's kind of poo-pooed that theory by stating it was just an order and the clones were "just following orders" as it were.
Back to the Y-Wing, I've been pretty happy with it as the weeks have passed and I've gotten used to it not as a new toy, but as a toy overall. My only complaints are with the non-turning turret (it really couldn't have been that hard to make it rotate) and the rather superfluous label sheet. Well, and the price, which is still about 25% more expensive than it realistically should have been. Those things aside, though, I do think it's a great and well-designed toy.
-
Good points, Doc. I also think it would have been more believable to sell the heel-turn (to coin a wrestling phrase) as a sleeper cell subconscious programming, but yes, they do seem to have ruled this out.
How could the Kaminoans have programmed all that stuff 10 years ago though, before the Senate legislation was even conceived? Not even a Sith lord has the kind of freakish foresight.
I guess to me, it's the logistics that seem so improbable. In order to succeed, a LOT of clones and other people would have had to have known about Order 66. (Like, they all know it means execute the Jedi, but someone had to have TOLD them that, or it must have been in a manual somewhere) It would be next to impossible to implement that kind of thing in total secrecy. (IMO)
-
It's a "manchurian candidate" type thing, so I think it's plausible. I never honestly had a problem with it. I'm sure the more independant the Clone, the less likely they are to follow the order, but the true independant Clones are the ARC's, perhaps the Commandoes... Commanders are trained by ARCs, according to EU, but they're not ARCs. They're still the more simplified Clone design.
-
It's a "manchurian candidate" type thing, so I think it's plausible. I never honestly had a problem with it. I'm sure the more independant the Clone, the less likely they are to follow the order, but the true independant Clones are the ARC's, perhaps the Commandoes... Commanders are trained by ARCs, according to EU, but they're not ARCs. They're still the more simplified Clone design.
I really like the "Manchurian Candidate" comparison. I think that's a good way to look at it.
-
How are the order 66 scenes already so powerful? At what point did the Jedi earn our sympathy?
How is the massacre of the Jedi Order not powerful, regardless of how you feel about the Jedi?
How you feel about the Jedi is what gives the scene it's power. If the Jedi were these great people who you've seen in their prime (NOT heard about,) and who fell from grace to the point where they can so easily be fooled, then yes, it's powerful. On the flip side, if these people were always in a state of grey (as far as the audience can see) with so much moral ambiguity that they were nowhere close to the guardians that Obi-wan described in A New Hope, then who cares?
-
Knowing the story of SW, watching the Jedi die is powerful to ME. I don't need to feel a certain way about them. They were important one way or the other.
-
I'll admit I teared up when I first watched ROTS and saw Order 66 executed. It got to me when Ki-Adi and Aayla were struck down.
I need to go watch the movies again. Gawd, I think it's been a year since I watched them. Shame on me.
-
I'll admit I teared up when I first watched ROTS and saw Order 66 executed. It got to me when Ki-Adi and Aayla were struck down.
I felt the same way - even though everything I had really "known" about Ki-Adi or Aayla was primarily from reading the comic books - it was sad to me to see them get killed by their own troops.
My original point was that if you were someone who DIDN'T really feel any emotional attachment to Jedi like Ki-Adi, Plo, Aayla, etc... then the insertion of an Ashoka death scene into a future BluRay release of ROTS should provide an over-the-top emotional punch to the Order 66 sequence.
-
As I mentioned in another thread I just moved and I am setting up my collection in a dedicated room and I had a pile of vehicles that I finally opened months after I bought them. The CW Y-Wing and Imperial Arc were two of the vehicles I picked up and I have to say I enjoyed the Imperial ARC more than the new Y-Wing. While the Arc is overpriced I was able to get one for $45 shipped. I feel very happy with the purchase the deco is beautiful and has such a nice look to it. By far the best repaint of it to date, it should be for the price. Slap in some WM Black ARC pilots, saga2 Black R2 unit and this sucker looks really sharp!
The Y-Wing is nice but seriously lacks in the deco dept, it's way too clean looking. It's pretty big but there is not much to it, to the point that it is almost like wasted space. While very accurate to the material I cannot say I hate it but I also cannot say I love it either. It falls in that grey area and you could easily live without it in your collection.
If I had to chose between the two I would go for the ARC.
-
All I know is I can't wait for the dirty Red Y-Wing from Landing at Point Rain...they gotta roll that out next year.
-
I just can't convince myself to fork out $65 or so for this. If it was priced in the $40 range, sure.
-
I just can't convince myself to fork out $65 or so for this. If it was priced in the $40 range, sure.
I had a clone cash coupon, plus I got a 20% off coupon that printed at checkout so it wasn't too bad, but ya - still overpriced even though it's still waiting to be "scanned" into my collection. Glad to have it though. :)
Still not seeing these en masse at retail anywhere in my neck of the woods. Pretty scarce still for the most part do to the ARCs.
-
I just can't convince myself to fork out $65 or so for this. If it was priced in the $40 range, sure.
I'm with you on this one. If it were $40, I'd have bought 2 of them. The $65+ price is keeping me from even buying one.
-
I just can't convince myself to fork out $65 or so for this. If it was priced in the $40 range, sure.
It's not bad and it's not great. If you do not have this in your collection I would say wait to get it at a lower price through coupons or find it used. I personally think you would not miss it in your collection. I have one and I expect Hasbro will rerelease this again in the Geonosian red deco as seen in this seasons episode. (I do think this will look sharper in red.) It's a big vehicle but not worth $65 (See it sitting on a 30 inch wide shelf below). If it had sounds/lights it would have been much cooler, there is so much room for electronics in this thing.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w298/jackoftradze/Jackoftradze%20Star%20Wars%20customs/MasterCollectioncloseup9996.jpg)
-
I imagine in later versions we will see updates like lights & sound, and hopefully a fully rotating ball turret!
I'm hoping that they do a republic red version as well, but that may depend on how long this release hangs around. I could see the Y-Wing pop up again this year or next in yet another color. And as with the ARC, is there really any doubt that eventually we'll see an Imperial Y-Wing in black & gray? Wouldn't that be a twist, rebel vs Imperial Y-Wings.
-
I recently begun a weathering project on my Y-Wing. The factory-fresh gloss of it was just disconcerting, especially since the Star Wars universe was always so dirty. The process is far from complete, but basically, I gave the vehicle a wash with charcoal pastel and sealed it with dullcote. There will still be more details to include such as oil stains, lazer burns, exhaust stains, etc. but even with a dirty wash over it, the Y-Wing looks better in my opinion. I'll post pictures eventually.
-
This will probably be the only Clone Wars vehicle I buy, since I've never owned a Y-Wing in any form (I try to draw the line with the realistic SW toys...otherwise I'd be bankrupt). While I would prefer a vintage style Y-Wing, the scale and overall design of this beast is pretty impressive. I kind of hated the look of this when the design was first unveiled, but it's grown on me. The price is insane though...I paid twenty dollars more for the BMF, and that doesn't make a lick of sense. Either the price should be cut in half, or there should be more whizz-bang gadgets or a more detailed paint job.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/Hutchi/DSCF7438.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/Hutchi/DSCF7443.jpg)
It really is huge, and has tonnes of projectiles. The two seater cockpit is pretty tight for standard SW figures (the spindly Clone Wars figs should have no problem), but I managed to get a couple of rebel pilots squeezed in there.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/Hutchi/DSCF7439.jpg)
LOVE the back compartment...there are two rocket launchers that are supposed to fill the space, but when I was a kid I would have used it for cargo space...there's a lot of room in there:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/Hutchi/DSCF7440.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/Hutchi/DSCF7441.jpg)
-
Good pics! Looks great with some rebs in there. Hasbro just said in the last Q&A that they have no plans for a redeco, as they still have a lot of the yellow version to go through.
-
With an alliance emblem this ship pass for a rebel two seats Y wing.
-
Except it's covered in armor and all... None of the REb Y-Wings are covered in any source material I ever saw.
-
With an alliance emblem this ship pass for a rebel two seats Y wing.
Agreed, and those pics have convinced me to get another for a Rebel version. I love the idea of something that's a bit different than what we see in the films... I'm a fan fic kind of collector and like to let my imagination run wild. That's why this hobby is so enjoyable for me after all these years.
My only gripe about this vehicle is one of the nose cannons on mine is bent - seems like the same one is bent on the one that glorbes owns as well. I'm guessing I can fix that though.
-
At both the local Marshall's and TJ Maxx today, this vehicle showed up for $39.99. Each store had 2 of them.
-
Not bad... Not great, but much more acceptable as far as pricing goes. I got mine on a hefty clearance at K-Mart. It's a nice toy for sure.
-
Never could pull the trigger on getting a second one for some reason. I actually right now feel like I would pass on another even it it was priced at $20. :-X
-
I tried for a second Y-Wing for the longest time at around $30ish, but just couldn't do it - especially after getting gouged for almost full price on my first. $20? Hmmmmm....Maybe
-
The guns on mine are bent too. When it comes to toys, those chin guns seem to be cursed. Bent, or too sort, they never seem perfect.
-
Bought my first one of these today at $34.99
I should use "bought" in quotes, I used some giftcards and didn't actually cost me anything.
Between the clearance and the cards, it was finally time.
P.S. Love the ship!!! It's huge and a great design!!!
EDIT: TRU by the way, if anyone is interested.
-
I finally opened up the one I bought, at KMart clearance about three months ago, over the weekend. I love this sucker. I too have bent nose guns (or else they were aligned by Lt. A$$h%le.... ;D)
My four year old and I spent the weekend engaging in dogfights between my 3 3/4" CW Y-Wing and his Galactic Heroes CW Y-Wing. Needless to say he found it much funnier when his ship shot down mine and his seemed oddly impervious to damage (I think he was cheating).
I like the design, especially for the price I got it at. Maybe I should pick up a second at TJ Maxx clearance and give it a red paint job... Oh well, wishful thinking.
-
It's a nice sturdy vehicle, it is.
Think we'll ever get a red repaint?
-
I doubt it unless they drop the pricepoint. Heck - I'd wager a repaint would be $75 if they ever got around to it ::)
-
Yeah, I think the Shadow ARC-170 proved that repaints at Hasbro's large ship pricepoint of ~$70 won't sell. (I know, the ARC sold just fine when it was released for ROTS for ~$35, but Hasbro wants to sell these ships for ~$70..).
I know I didn't buy until it was about 30% of that price...