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Collectibles => Kenner Retro Collection => Topic started by: Rob on February 15, 2019, 09:29 PM
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So... Kenner-style Star Wars figures?
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So... Kenner-style Star Wars figures?
My mind is racing with this...
Want -- Tarkin, Rebel Trooper, Cantina Band, Muftak (!!!), Mongo Beefhead Tribesman...
Reality -- Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo, Rose (!!!)
Also, there's no way it happens for less than $13 a figure. Maybe as high as $20.
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So... Kenner-style Star Wars figures?
My mind is racing with this...
Want -- Tarkin, Rebel Trooper, Cantina Band, Muftak (!!!), Mongo Beefhead Tribesman...
Reality -- Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo, Rose (!!!)
Also, there's no way it happens for less than $13 a figure. Maybe as high as $20.
Agreed, but they shouldn’t cost more regular 5POA figures - even though they will.
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Oh no, Hasbro would/will cite limited collector interest and lower production runs to justify the high price. And I mean, if GOA rehashes are 10 bucks a pop, why shouldn't brand-new sculpts cost more?
All that said, if I were in charge I would do 12 waves of 12 figures each to cover each of the movies (though Clone Wars would cover the whole series.) Essential characters for prequels and sequels, and missed opportunities for the OT.
It begs the question, what kind of packaging? If it is Vintage, why not stick these in TVC waves to help abate costs of new highly-articulated figures? Oh the mind reels at the possibilities...
(Have to get the speculating fun done before Hasbro pops my balloon tomorrow...) uh
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I don’t mind the idea of supplementing the vintage line in theory. The part I worry about is them making figures that already exist from the 70’s and 80’s. Like, they’re going to make retro OT figures without touching Luke, Leia, Vader, etc...?
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Nah. Removable helmet Vader. Medal Ceremony Luke. Stormtrooper Han. Bespin Escape Leia. So many places to go.
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I hate them. They’re almost identical to real vintage. What’s the point?!
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I hate them. They’re almost identical to real vintage. What’s the point?!
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I’m sorry, but I’m not happy about this either. It comes across like a cynical play at a nostalgia driven cash grab. Especially in light of the tremendous advances in sculpting and articulation that we’ve seen over the course of the modern line.
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If they’d shown Tarkin and Hem Dazon and Mon Mothma, I’d be really into this. As it stands, these six are total garbage and it’s going to make a mess of eBay listings and the secondary market for vintage collecting.
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I was hoping for something that would expand the vintage line. As it is, I already have four of these from that 4-pack Kenner offered in 1995. :P
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The one point where they might have drawn me in with this wave? If they had done little head Han Solo. I never liked big head Han Solo. I originally had the little head version, but my dog ate it. And the replacement wound up being big head Han. Ughhh
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Well I wasn't expecting reissues, which Hasbro swore off after the '95 set Ben referenced was received so poorly. I have no interest in these as I have the originals carded and loose, but I would be very interested in an expansion (Tarkin, Wedge, etc.) which is possible should these go over well. I'll probably get Leia and of course a Jawa if they do one.
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Again I like it. I'd take vintage looking never made figures too, but this is cool to me. Congrats to you who has real 12 or 20/21 backs but not me. And I laugh at these messing up market for the real deal.
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I hate them. They’re almost identical to real vintage. What’s the point?!
I don't have thousands of dollars is the point
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If they’d shown Tarkin and Hem Dazon and Mon Mothma, I’d be really into this. As it stands, these six are total garbage and it’s going to make a mess of eBay listings and the secondary market for vintage collecting.
Hyperbole. To me this is the I have the originals and don't want others to have fake originals argument. Somewhat similar to the 6" Archives haters argument. Sorry if I'm wrong. I have real deal loose. Not carded. Cool opportunity
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And lastly, I get I set a low bar, but why do we always set out expectations so high and then complain when we don't have them met? I thought for sure this is what we were getting. Maybe slightly different sculpts. What has Hasbro shown us that made Hem Dazon, Tarkin, Wedge, etc. an expectation and not wishful thinking
Ok I'll stop being an ass
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And lastly, I get I set a low bar, but why do we always set out expectations so high and then complain when we don't have them met? I thought for sure this is what we were getting. Maybe slightly different sculpts. What has Hasbro shown us that made Hem Dazon, Tarkin, Wedge, etc. an expectation and not wishful thinking
Ok I'll stop being an ass
I get that some people are into these. For me? No. I lived through the vintage era. And I liked my vintage stuff when I was a kid. But when the GI Joe ARAH line came out in the early 80's? The articulation those figures had made my Star Wars figures seem a little antiquated. And the fact that GI Joe had a comic book and an animated TV series didn't hurt them either. But when the modern line kicked off in the 90's, I thought the new figures were a remarkable step forward from the vintage line.
My stance is rooted in the fact that the standards of sculpting and articulation that collectors asked for were delivered by Hasbro over the course of 20+ years. Even a 1995 Han Solo figure looks pretty lame compared to the 2011 TVC Han Solo. When standards get raised like that by the manufacturer, they also rise with the customer base. Especially when that nostalgic looking packaging has been the vehicle for offering up super-articulated versions of those original characters.
When Gentle Giant offered up their take on the Kenner vintage figures they at least did something different: they made them REALLY BIG. And that made them different enough that you could celebrate the nostalgia factor, but it was something new and different from the original releases.
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Good points. I am admittedly not an articulation guy. I need them to stand in a row for the most part. And I am very much a nostalgic look fan. And not just the cardback
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If they’d shown Tarkin and Hem Dazon and Mon Mothma, I’d be really into this. As it stands, these six are total garbage and it’s going to make a mess of eBay listings and the secondary market for vintage collecting.
Hyperbole. To me this is the I have the originals and don't want others to have fake originals argument. Somewhat similar to the 6" Archives haters argument. Sorry if I'm wrong. I have real deal loose. Not carded. Cool opportunity
Six inch reissues are from figures that are 3 or 4 years old... apples and oranges to remaking 42 year old classics that have a robust and long-standing collectors market.
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Didn't say it was apples to apples (believe somewhat similar would be they're both fruit), but it still goes to the "my toys will suffer" and "therefore I don't want others to have this opportunity for the sake of my toys" argument.
Which is fair by the way. Easy for me to say when the only "Star Wars" carded figure I have is an ok condition 21 Back Boba Fett. But calling them garbage and acting like it serves no one any purpose is a bit strong. And I still don't see a 12 back Luke plummeting in value over this. Maybe eBay will prove you right.
I can disagree but respect Nick and Darby's opinions on these. But they're not garbage because they don't fit your wants for toy collecting. Just like they're not awesome because they do fit mine. I've gotten into my Yakface disqus section mode. I need to shut up
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I’m not worried about my toys at all. I just think it’s tacky, cheap, lazy, and uninteresting for them to just take classics and release them 40 years later.
If they’d shown a Luke, Leia, and Vader with a Tarkin, Mothma, and a ceremonial Leia or something like that it would be a different story.
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I'd agree that would be cool. But again think you're way over selling the "lazy" and assuming a lot of others hate the idea. So far JD is on your side. The sold out Target pre-orders may tell us otherwise. Guess we'll see.
I only sorta played with/collect MOTU and remember thinking those remakes on remake cardback were so great 15 or whatever years ago.
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I'd like to hear about more Resistance toys. Said no one. Ever.
;D
I am less than thrilled about these "Retro" figures on printed-weathered cardbacks. I get that that they did that to make it obvious, but I think the "retro collection" emblem (which could have been part of the printing, not a sticker) would have sufficed.
Would have much rather seen them want to re-do the original 12 to modern/current standards and then announce that they have plans on modernizing another 12 Kenner figures that have either never been released on modern Vintage cardbacks or even released in the modern line (like Sim Aloo)
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I'd agree that would be cool. But again think you're way over selling the "lazy" and assuming a lot of others hate the idea. So far JD is on your side. The sold out Target pre-orders may tell us otherwise. Guess we'll see.
I only sorta played with/collect MOTU and remember thinking those remakes on remake cardback were so great 15 or whatever years ago.
I’m not assuming that at all. In fact what I would assume is that younger collectors or those without the income to collect vintage will love this idea.
But since I’ve been around since the early days and collect vintage for the nostalgia and rarity of it, and I collect modern for the newness of the product, this checks
zero boxes for me.
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All right I guess I took too much offense to "garbage". Seems more like placing your opinion on everyone else more than just stating your opinion. And yes the pot is calling the kettle black. And sorry to hijack a topic
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Not sure what the confusion is but it’s certainly nothing more than my opinion that repacks of 42 year old figures is garbage.
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Fair enough. Couldn't disagree more.
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Well, the pre-orders at Target.com are already pre-sold out, so there's definite interest.
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Maybe it's because I'm sick of this whole nostalgia cash grab deal with TV and movies, but vintage style figures don't excite me at all. Probably because I wasn't alive during the initial Kenner run and started out with POTF2. Honestly I've been debating selling off a majority of my collection, and nothing coming out of Toy Fair is really exciting to me, so perhaps is the time to get on that.
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Well, the pre-orders at Target.com are already pre-sold out, so there's definite interest.
Or they went with the oldest trick in the book and made the number available for preorder small to create the illusion of more interest than there otherwise would be, which then generates interest.
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Well, the pre-orders at Target.com are already pre-sold out, so there's definite interest.
Or they went with the oldest trick in the book and made the number available for preorder small to create the illusion of more interest than there otherwise would be, which then generates interest.
Only reason I want em……...
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Be as sarcastic as you want, but it’s marketing 101 to create an artificial shortage at first to build hype.
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Be as sarcastic as you want, but it’s marketing 101 to create an artificial shortage to build hype.
I get that. Would be a little surprised if Target did that on their own over one line of Star Wars figs or if Hasbro did it to Target on an initial shipment for that purpose. But again, just my thoughts. I like garbage.
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I have to agree with Rob on this one. I would have been all over these if they were new characters not offered in that style before. But I have zero interest in repacks. And I dont have any carded Vintage stuff, all mine is loose. But this bothers me because for example Leia's original vintage blaster loose is still worth a premium on eBay. Once these hit the market it really makes it easier for unscrupulous sellers to take advantage of people.
Offering all new stuff would have avoided that problem, IMO.
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Sorry can't help myself. I see what you're saying, but how many of these things is Hasbro making? And are unscrupulous ebay sellers really going to be buying these in bulk and flooding the market with remake Leia blasters? I just think some of us are exagerating a bit here.
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Sorry can't help myself. I see what you're saying, but how many of these things is Hasbro making? And are unscrupulous ebay sellers really going to be buying these in bulk and flooding the market with remake Leia blasters? I just think some of us are exagerating a bit here.
Leia blasters can go for up to $100 now, so yeah if these retro weapons are hard to distinguish from legit vintage, you can bet there will be a lot of buying in bulk by unscrupulous dealers
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Sorry can't help myself. I see what you're saying, but how many of these things is Hasbro making? And are unscrupulous ebay sellers really going to be buying these in bulk and flooding the market with remake Leia blasters? I just think some of us are exagerating a bit here.
Leia blasters can go for up to $100 now, so yeah if these retro weapons are hard to distinguish from legit vintage, you can bet there will be a lot of buying in bulk by unscrupulous dealers
Guess I'm glad I've never been in the market for a vintage Leia blaster.
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Leia blasters can go for up to $100 now, so yeah if these retro weapons are hard to distinguish from legit vintage, you can bet there will be a lot of buying in bulk by unscrupulous dealers
Anywhere that I can see a pic of what Leia's blasters look like - I have a plastic bin that is loaded with vintage figure weapons - maybe if I find an extra of that figure's gun I can score some fast money to pay for some new stuff I want!
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I kind of get both sides of this Retro Kenner line, although the timing seems weird. Would have made more sense during the 40th year, but oh well. Still looking for more details on everything. Is it limited to just these sux (plus Tarkin)? One site I was reading today mentioned that but I haven't seen it elsewhere. Is it exclusive to a particular retailer (or online?), or is this a mass item. If so it just seems like things are overlapping a lot. We have the basic line (which didn't get a mention again?), the TVC (which I thought was already the retro throwback, limited line), the Galaxy of Adventures stuff, and now these. Not to mention two 6" lines with Black Series and Archive. It is just a lot, and it makes you wonder if they are phasing something out.
All that said, I do like what we have seen this weekend. Personally, I hope to grab the retro Kenner stuff, particularly Tarkin (more figures like that please). I don't have any vintage carded figures, and won't ever be able to afford them, so these appeal to me for that reason. Plus, I love the vintage line, and the overall "toy" aesthetic there. Curious to learn more.
Favorite news is the TVC stuff, like the rumored Skiff (now confirmed), and the surprising Jabba playset. I really REALLY hope this isn't super difficult to find since it got sent to Wal-Mart. Our local store simply doesn't get SW exclusives lately, and is kind of a dump to even go into. I would rather they just cut out the middle man and went straight online (at EE or elsewhere). Looks pretty cool though.
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Now that I've had a day to digest the news and get a better sense of what this particular sub-line represents? I will save my ire for more important things. Does this line really draw me in? Not really. Is it a nice little interesting sub-line to do? I guess, especially for people who were never able to get the original vintage figures back in the day. Add in the board game with Tarkin? And it comes across as maybe being a little better thought out than I initially realized.
I want to see if this sub-line has legs or if Hasbro is genuinely committed to making this something of a one-off. Because I take issue when mainline releases like The Vintage Collection or The Black Series start losing peg space to novelty items.
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I think the line is neat from a nostalgia standpoint. I remember the rereleases way back when POTF2 was starting. I too would be worried about vintage fakes now. I love the look of these, but I have the vintage counterparts loose and I have been trying to sell of my carded collection, so I can't see myself picking these up.
Now the Tarkin figure on the other hand, that I would like to have just because he never got made in the vintage line. The new playset is calling my name as well. However, I really want to downsize my collection. It is a daunting task. I have only managed to sell my orange card figures and my purple card SOTE figures. I have had a listing for the green card POTF2 and my freeze frame figures and haven't gotten any hits yet. I have so much in totes that I really can't bring my self to buy something new even though I really like the look of it. Of course I foolishly signed up to buy the Barge...the playset lover in me just couldn't pass it up once it was fully funded. If they decide to make a Death Star playset next through Haslab, I think I will just pass out.
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I bet I'd feel a heck of a lot different if I had a more pristine vintage collection. A majority of my vintage figures are in pretty great shape, but there are some faded figures (namely Blue Sanggletooth and the ANH Leia and Stormtrooper,) and a missing accessory or two (namely a black Imperial Gunner Blaster and maybe a the proper black Luke Stormtrooper blaster) and I haven't found justification to replace just yet since they aren't cheep. Only Vintage figure I don't own is a Vinyl caped Jawa.
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Is this a part of the Vintage Collection or a whole new collection?
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I'm really disappointed in seeing this line. I do like the nostalgia of it, and I think everyone agrees new figures like Tarkin are a nice offering. Its also a nice alternative for those that don't have a lot/any vintage stuff. That said, this is pretty crummy for those that spent a lot of time & money tracking down a vintage collection. Sure, it has the potential to reduce prices, but I'm more bothered by the added confusion and frustration it will cause. Its already challenging to identify some of the repro stuff, especially over the net, many times because the seller just doesn't know what they really have. There are still some variations that I'd like to track down and this will make it that much harder to know what I'm getting. If you're someone who cares about the authenticity of the originals, which I do, this really kind of craps on them. It also makes the vintage stuff a little less meaningful to me if they can just re-release mostly the same thing 40 years later.
I'm sure I will end up getting these and maybe I'll like them more when I do. But it's kind of a kick to the gut right now.
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Is this a part of the Vintage Collection or a whole new collection?
It is part of the Vintage Collection in that it's aimed towards collectors and on Kenner-style cards, but I do not believe they will have the VCxxx numbering on them. Like a TVC sub-line.
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I'd love to grab Chewie and a Stormtrooper if I saw them in the wild. Hopefully that will happen!
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I’ve been listening to/reading a number of recaps and opinions from Toy Fair, and these figures definitely seem to be the hot button issue. Some of them brought up an excellent point that I was thinking about too, it was only a matter of time. Retro, especially these days, have always been a thing. Heck, look how often we see Transformers reissues, and people don’t seem to have as much problem with those. I just bought a Bumblebee one this week, and was happy to find it to go with my reissue Prime and Sideswipe. I have a set of reissued Ninja Turtles figures I picked up at TRU years ago as well. I remember looking at (and wish I could have bought) the reissued Masters of the Universe figures when they were out as well. Honestly, Star Wars is one of the few “big” lines from the 80s that hasn’t done this aside from the POTF2 four pack. They (Hasbro) seem to have gone out of their way to make sure everyone knows they aren’t REAL vintage, from the cardbacks to the date stamps, etc. so hopefully there aren’t any issues there.
It may be that the reactions were just as divided with those other line reissues I mentioned, I’m not as plugged into the various other fandoms as I am with Star Wars. I just wish there wasn’t always so much conflict in our fandom. I am not at all directing this at people here, but just with various podcasts and videos I’ve been taking in from creators I very much enjoy, it seems like many are upset by this. I get they aren’t for everyone, and that’s fine, but I guess they don’t bother me too much. I know I’ll likely pick them up if they aren’t too difficult to find.
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I was warming up to the idea, until I saw this:
(https://i.imgur.com/bYNnqzn.jpg) (https://www.instagram.com/p/BuJvd8DHSLF/)
So, they're just out of scale with the originals... my initial thinking had been to just buy NEW figures and mix them in... now it seems like it's got to be something completely separate (for me at least), which means collecting vintage again? Are they going to stick with this enough to remake everything?
Maybe if they do a retro / TVC Sim-Aloo 2-pack it'll be worth it. :P
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That's a resculpt of the vintage figure too, right? They didn't just size up the mold slightly, I'm assuming?
Won't there be other identifying features? Does the "made in China" text appear differently than it did in the 70's and 80's?
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The second image in that Yak Face post was a screen grab of a Rebelscum post, with a KENNER header on it that said:
"Hasbro will be producing a new line of action figures based on the classic Kenner action figures. Like the Boba Fett released in The Vintage Collection, these figures are new sculpts and are just a bit bigger than the originals. The line will offer newer collectors an alternative to the vintage market prices and gives collectors of the original line some new figures to fill in a hole left when the collection in 1985!"
^ The verbiage errors in that last sentence were D. Martin Myatt's, not mine.
So I guess that image is using the mail-away Rocket Firing Fett as an example, and isn't some new Retro figure that we hadn't seen...
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That's a close enough scale that newer figures like Tarkin won't bother me. I guess I'm on the side of liking that they're doing something slightly different. There are a lot of differences in the picture posted, so hopefully its very easy to tell new vs. old. You can't really go by paint though. I must have half a dozen vintage Fetts with completely different paint apps/colors.
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I get they aren’t for everyone, and that’s fine, but I guess they don’t bother me too much.
I agree, Brian. There will be some people put off by these, but they are so different I can't really see them impacting the 'real' Kenner market for carded figures. They are a nice alternative for Kenner fans who can't drop $1000+ on a original 12-back.
The figures themselves will probably have enough differences to tell them from the originals, but there will be jerks out there who lie and try to sell them as mint Kenner figures. Big deal. Those guys are out there right now lying about repro weapons being real or pawning the 1995 re-do figures off as 'originals'. It sucks, but that kind of stuff has always been a risk to Kenner collectors.
This line would be much more interesting to me if they were all like Tarkin (like adding new Kenner versions of Sandtrooper, Stormtrooper Han, Rebel Fleet Trooper, etc). We'll see if that happens or if this is just a one-time thing I guess.
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Somehow I doubt Hasbro will ever produce these in numbers that genuinely impact vintage prices. Unless of course they did something really awesome and offered Yak Face...
Hasbro and Takara have been selling reissues of Transformers for 20 years now and they really haven't lowered prices on the vintage stuff, though it could be argued they got out ahead of the stuff rising in value. Characters that haven't been reissued still maintain some secondary market heat (Wheeljack, Mirage, Sunstreaker to name a few) so maybe there's an argument here. I doubt this line of Kenner retro stuff will last too long, but I hope to be surprised.
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I think this stuff is going to sell like hot cakes and we'll be seeing these on the shelf for years. They're clearly targeting children of the 80s with vintage styling, but it will have appeal beyond that. The sculpts are new, but very closely related to molds already produced, so while there is some development cost I have to assume the cost is lower than original designs. They have a fancy cardback and at $10 they seem like a nice savings over both the vintage collection line and original vintage figures. And while we're thinking that's a steal, they've actually increased the basic figure/5 POA SRP from $8 figures to $10 figures. This line is genius.
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Are these exclusive to Target?
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Are these exclusive to Target?
Yes, according to press release info, exclusive to Target -
STAR WARS RETRO COLLECTION
(HASBRO/Approx. Retail Price: $9.99/Available: Spring 2019)
Available exclusively at Target
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Thanks Jeff, that's what I thought but couldn't find the Hasbro press release.
Based on that, I would assume that Hasbro isn't going to push an exclusive line all that aggressively. At the most I think it may be something like when Walmart's Vintage line that had 10 or so figures a year.
That still probably freaks out vintage collectors if Target/Hasbro would keep the line going for awhile, although I kind of doubt Target would be all that interested in releasing all the obscure characters that would pegwarm if they tried to do all 100.
I'll be interested to see what the quantities produced on these are. Hasbro did pretty well on the Vintage packaging that they did for the 6" carded figures a couple years ago. Pretty limited numbers and they came and went really quick.
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I think I'm in on getting these, now that I know that they are different enough from the vintage line. Definitely in on the Escape the Deathstar game!
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but listening to the Star Wars Action News podcast, I believe these were made in a similar process to the Gentle Giant Jumbo figures. They 3D scanned an existing vintage figure and went from there. That is why they are a bit off on size.
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I thought the description flat out said "New sculpts." I don't know what that entails, but looked like other aspects were slightly different as well.
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It'll be interesting to see how far this line can go in the long run. I'm definitely interested in picking up a full set for display in place of my originals until I can better protect my originals from UV damage.
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I slithered over to JTA to see if anyone had reported Barges shipping. Didn't see anything.
Did see the Retro figs were back up for pre order this monring, but too late, sold out again. Dang
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Catching up on some things tonight (waiting for Hasbro to release the press images we were promised) and I noticed that Matt got Hasbro to confirm (https://twitter.com/JediMoses/status/1116844213977722883) that the "Retro Collection!" call-out is a sticker on the card and not printed on the cardback.
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FYI these are not hard street dated
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FYI - got an updated press release from Hasbro this morning that says these will now only be Target exclusive in the Spring and then be available through "Fan Channels" in Fall 2019.
STAR WARS RETRO COLLECTION 3.75-INCH Figure Assortment
(HASBRO/Age: 4 & up/Approx. Retail Price: $9.99/Available: Spring 2019)
Inspired by STAR WARS ‘70s-style action figures, the STAR WARS RETRO COLLECTION 3.75-inch-scale figures feature Kenner-style figure design and detailing, and make a great addition to any nostalgic fan’s STAR WARS collection. Imagine the excitement of the ‘70s when the STAR WARS original trilogy had just begun, and Kenner began releasing classic STAR WARS figures for avid fans of the space saga. With figures inspired by the original sculpt and design of the ‘70s, the STAR WARS RETRO COLLECTION lets fans and collectors continue their collection from a galaxy far, far away! Characters in this assortment include LUKE SKYWALKER, DARTH VADER, PRINCESS LEIA, CHEWBACCA, HAN SOLO, and STORMTROOPER. Each sold separately. Available exclusively at Target and Target.com on 5/12/2019 and at most fan channel retailers nationwide in Fall 2019.
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Already put Leia's blaster on eBay as legitimate vintage..... ;)
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Already put Leia's blaster on eBay as legitimate vintage..... ;)
Even with the scales being slightly off...this has to be the biggest fear of Vintage collectors everywhere.
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Already put Leia's blaster on eBay as legitimate vintage..... ;)
I lol’d
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#webmasterbrag
I've received a lot of cool Hasbro PR things in my time on the toy news beat (like the roaring Chewbacca box (https://twitter.com/JediDefender/status/992540520680443904) they used for the SOLO toy PR loot), but I think I have a new favorite.
I received a Retro Collection Early Bird Certificate Kit in the mail today from Hasbro PR. What a fun way to promote both May the 4th and the new Retro Collection stuff, which should officially hit Target.com on 5/12. Looking forward to getting the figures in the mail to see what kind of a package they've whipped up for the actual figure delivery. ;D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5gd1krWkAEUT9p.jpg)
#sponsored #freeproduct
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Snagged a case (of Retro figures) at Target this morning. No issue at checkout.
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So I've seen on various Facebook collection pages that these are showing up at Target (none of mine though) and people have been showing how easy it is to peel off the stickers.
I wonder how many unscrupulous ebay sellers are doing this? What do the backs of the cards look like?
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All 4 stores around me have a case in the back but won’t pulll then out due to the 5/12 street date. So a big strike out there. The board game with Tarkin though is now available on target.com so I got that ordered and done.
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There is 0% chance you could sell a carded one of these as vintage.
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None here, checked both days this weekend and Friday. I just want the board game and Tarkin and was kind of disappointed they didn’t get them out for this weekend, though I’m not surprised either.
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There is 0% chance you could sell a carded one of these as vintage.
I couldn't say 0%. Maybe not to someone who knew what they were looking for, but I could see a few uninformed folks getting suckered by an auction.
What do the backs of the cards look like?
Pic from Rebelscum -
(http://www.rebelscum.com/hasbro-star-wars/The-Retro-Collection-Early-Bird-Kenner-Hasbro-Star-Wars/The-Retro-Collection-Early-Bird-Kenner-Hasbro-Star-Wars-073.jpg)
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I guess I'd say if you were someone who was going to spend the $ a real vintage 12 back is there's 0.0002% chance you'd fall for it.
If you knew so little you'd be able to fall for it I imagine it'd be someone spending a small amount of money not realizing that in itself should have told you it's fake
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You might be right Nick but life has taught me that, on average, most people are dumb.
If there are people in this world dumb enough to make the Kardashians famous, there are certainly people dumb enough to drop $600 on these thinking they're getting a deal. :P
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No argument on either statement from me
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Thanks Jeff. I agree, someone who's been collecting for a long time is going to know what to look for. But the internet is full of ******** that will prey on the uninformed.
And if you see these FB collecting groups....my God there are so many people who think they can send their kids to college if they just get the right action figure.
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I could see someone falling for this in an online sale if the sticker was removed and only the front was shown. But to Nick's point, anyone with half a brain cell ought to know the difference once they see it in person, even casual collectors. The back only shows 6 figures and the very first thing it says is "The Star Wars Retro collection is inspired by 1970s Star Wars figures..." It also has the Disney and Hasbro logos at the bottom, is dated 2018, and has two websites listed in bold red font despite there being no such thing as the internet when the originals were made. The fake scuffing on the cards is pretty obvious as well when you have them in hand.
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I managed to score a set yesterday. Very surreal. I feel like I'm 8 years old again.
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I managed to score a set yesterday. Very surreal. I feel like I'm 8 years old again.
Just curious, did you have to ask for them to be brought out, or were they on the floor? I keep hearing stories that they are going to be in a special shipper display, but haven't heard of anyone actually finding them there.
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I'll just throw out there that the dumb Target self imposed street date doesn't have to coincide with the focal planogram set date
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Just curious, did you have to ask for them to be brought out, or were they on the floor? I keep hearing stories that they are going to be in a special shipper display, but haven't heard of anyone actually finding them there.
I asked, gave them the DCPI. Lots of people were out there looking yesterday. First Target I went to, they showed having 4 sets in back, but could only find 1. :(
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I asked, gave them the DCPI. Lots of people were out there looking yesterday. First Target I went to, they showed having 4 sets in back, but could only find 1. :(
I used to work at Target with another JD collector. It's very rare in my experience that stuff actually gets "lost" in the back room. Cases get coded right off the truck and their inventory system is simple enough for monkeys to figure out. Its far more likely that someone either didn't want to look elsewhere, the cases were sold and someone didn't check them out of inventory, or a target employee was stashing them for his/her self.
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I was able to grab a set of these on Sunday. Had to ask to have them brought out. The employee brought out a case, I asked if I could take all six figures in the case since they were all different, at first she was like "well, since they had a street date, we usually limit, but since they are all different, sure, go ahead" - I was the only person in my Target actively looking for these things when the store opened.
Unlike with the modern sculpts, I'm getting one set to keep MOC and that's it. I do not need to get a set of these to open. I *may* grab a 2nd board game so I can put a carded Tarkin with the six other carded figures on display some day and also play the game - haven't played that game since I was a kid, but it was a favorite of ours on game night when my sister and I were little.
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I'm hoping more of these make it to the pegs. There's been no sign of these in my area.
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I have been keeping my eye on these in passing, and Target will have to make it easy for me if they want the sale. Honestly I only see myself getting Leia (she and Ben are the 2 figures from the original 12 I don't have) and a couple stormtroopers...maybe good old Big Head Han, too, since right now I have the Han from the '95 4-pack filling the spot. I hated Big Head as a kid, hated having to get him as a replacement for my "real" Han once the one I got in '78 went all loose and couldn't stand anymore. But hate has turned to nostalgia. I miss hating him to his big ugly face.
I was ready to buy those yesterday via the website which kept promising the sold out preorders would become active listings on May 12th...but instead they just turned into plain old "sold out." >:(
Tarkin was a whole different story, I wasn't sure how easy he would be to find so that was a priority. Now I feel like if I see Leia in the store or show up online I will get her. And once I do, I fear it will drive me to finally tracking down a decent Ben to finish up a set of the 12 to display permanently.
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I'm hoping more of these make it to the pegs. There's been no sign of these in my area.
Don't forget - these are only Target exclusive for now. Per Hasbro's latest update on May 4th, these Retro Collection figures will be available at "fan channels" this Fall -
From the press release -
"Available exclusively at Target, Target.com on 5/12/2019, and at most fan channel retailers nationwide in Fall 2019."
If you can't find them now, just wait until Fall and order a case of them from Entertainment Earth (#sponsorplug).
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The reports circulating today about a Father’s Day display with all 4 exclusives in the men’s clothing section are accurate. I got my set of Retro figures today in such a section and saw the Tarkin, TVC, and TBS sets as well. Also some non-SW video games as well.
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The reports circulating today about a Father’s Day display with all 4 exclusives in the men’s clothing section are accurate. I got my set of Retro figures today in such a section and saw the Tarkin, TVC, and TBS sets as well. Also some non-SW video games as well.
I can corroborate this sighting...though the display I encountered had empty spots where all the Star Wars stuff was supposed to be.
Is it more odd that a "Father's Day" display is filled with Star Wars toys, or that the fathers wiped it out in one day before such items could be purchased as presents for them?
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I'm hoping more of these make it to the pegs. There's been no sign of these in my area.
Don't forget - these are only Target exclusive for now. Per Hasbro's latest update on May 4th, these Retro Collection figures will be available at "fan channels" this Fall -
From the press release -
"Available exclusively at Target, Target.com on 5/12/2019, and at most fan channel retailers nationwide in Fall 2019."
If you can't find them now, just wait until Fall and order a case of them from Entertainment Earth (#sponsorplug).
Glad to hear this. Tired of striking out on these. Maybe that 2nd run will have figures that are actually able to hold the weapons.
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I have to say, I'm more than a tad disappointed in these. My Han can not hold his blaster, the hand is sculpted too small. Opposite with the stormtrooper. :(
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I was able to find the four figures I wanted (Leia, Big Head, and 2 Stormies) in the wild last week, and I had a real good laugh at the failed accessory compatibility. Oh, the hubris of Hasbro, thinking they could just sleepwalk through these "primitive" designs! Leia does a little better than the boys with her gun thanks to the pincer-hand design, but if her arm points down it is still a 50/50 gamble if she will hold on to the gun for any period of time.
I guess these were truly meant to stay in the package.
Tarkin, meanwhile, is just fine.
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Just left my local Target and asked someone to run the assortment DPCI (087-16-8221). Not only did they not have any in stock and none of the other stores were listed as having any in stock, but the DPCI has been marked in their system as discontinued. If that is accurate across the nation, then it is possible that Target has ran thru their allotment and there will be no more until they hit the fan channel outlets later this year. This would line up with something I noticed last night that searching “Star Wars retro collection “ on the Target app no longer shows these figures. I know folks are still finding them in store, but I have a feeling that this is the end of it for now.
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I found everything two days ago except for Vader and a Stormtrooper... I still don’t get the point, but the Tarkin is definitely cool.
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I expect the other six at the least, along with one or two more expansions into the 'What If' category (Wedge, Slave Leia, etc.). The vac metal issue is a great point, though. That may present some problems. Though the Droids fans among us might appreciate less shiny versions of 3-PO/R2. Next year being the ESB anniversary we'll likely see more of these from that film.
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I hope if they keep this line going they add in "new retro" figures like Tarkin. I'm not really interested in the re-release versions, but think the neo-retro figure concept is pretty cool. I'd probably buy a solid handful of neo-retro figures each year - even new TFA/TLJ would be fun. Rey, Phasma, Kylo Ren, etc.
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Vinyl capped Jawa anyone?
It's the one vintage figure I don't have. Would be nice to have, even if it's an official re-issue.
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Have there been any studies yet on how much Leia vintage blasters have plummeted in value since the release of these?
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By any chance does anyone’s have an extra Vader and Stormtrooper they’d part with for a reasonable price? I’ve been wandering in and out of Targets for a few weeks now and have only managed to find the other four, and only once at that. Plenty of Tarkins everywhere, but I’ve checked a ton and now they’re allegedly (at Target at least) discontinued...
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The discontinued news may not be. They’re ringing up now under their UPCs. So maybe Target is realizing their DPCI tracking bites them in the ass some? I’m not sure but that’s the word floating around. I believe JediMoses was the first I saw to mention this anywhere.
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Ah ok, that’s great. I’ll just keep looking and will pass on eBay for now.
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The discontinued news may not be. They’re ringing up now under their UPCs. So maybe Target is realizing their DPCI tracking bites them in the ass some? I’m not sure but that’s the word floating around. I believe JediMoses was the first I saw to mention this anywhere.
So it's been a month and I still haven't seen any trace of these things beyond the one time I found Han, Luke, Leia, and Chewie in Florida back at the end of May.
They're still expected to show up more right? Online at least? I'm resisting the urge to overpay to be caught up.
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If I remember correctly, it's sometime around September.
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The Target exclusive store stock has come and gone, apparently they never meant to have them in the toy department at all. They were always meant to be part of the Father's Day merch, and were clearanced out for 1/4 of the price the week after.
In the fall they will be available through "fan channels" which I would assume means "not returning to Target."
The thing I am wondering about is--wasn't the "Escape the Death Star" set solicited at Toy Fair as not a Target exclusive? Shouldn't it have shown up other places already if that were the case? It didn't disappear after Father's Day, so was it miss-communicated somehow?
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I think it’s still available. Never saw word it clearanced. I got one first day cuz it was all I wanted and I lucked upon it in the gaming aisle and there was only one. Never saw it in a store otherwise.
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The Targets in Chicago that I stop in all have the board game still, at least half a dozen each.
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I haven't seen a single one of the carded figures in a store. I picked up the Escape the Death Star game with Tarkin, and that's been it for my interest in the Retro Collection.
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I saw the figures the first week of release in my area, and I was able to grab the ones I wanted. The board game is still on shelves here as well.
My (muddled and muddied) question really was: wasn't the board game solicited as a general release and not only as a Target exclusive?
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My (muddled and muddied) question really was: wasn't the board game solicited as a general release and not only as a Target exclusive?
Yes. (https://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php/topic,24900.msg612430.html#msg612430)
STAR WARS ESCAPE FROM DEATH STAR BOARD GAME
(HASBRO/Ages: 8 years & up/Players: 2-4/Approx. Retail Price: $19.99/Available: May 2019)
Available at most major retailers.
There was a bit of confusion when these were announced. At the Toy Fair presentation they said "Target Exclusive" but what they really meant was that Target was getting an exclusive early release window and then they'd also be available later in a wider release.
The individual carded figures probably won't be back at Target (or Walmart) and will probably just be "fan channel" in the Fall (on or after Triple Force Friday, October 4th).
The Tarkin Death Star board game is open for anyone to order and it sounds like it will see wider retail release at specialty stores, book/game stores, Target, on-line, etc from now until Christmas time.
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Not like it's a hard to find item...all the Targets in my area have them in stock.
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Agreed, it's a pretty easy find here as well. But that's why I'm worried about its future availability.
The reason for my question is a worry that if this "Tarkin & Board Game" set are coming in bigger numbers later, they will probably not sell at all at other stores since Target seems to already have met demand. Couple that with my fear that Hasbro will only make "new" Retro figures in a $20 upsell format like this, and we come to a place where this is deemed a "failure" because everyone else will be left with little to no sales, which will leave Hasbro with no orders for the Sandtrooper or Rebel Trooper or Uncle Owen set that's being planned as we speak.
(I've got collector PTSD...they give me something I like, and I feel it's destined to be discontinued.)
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The individual carded figures probably won't be back at Target (or Walmart) and will probably just be "fan channel" in the Fall (on or after Triple Force Friday, October 4th).
In SWAN's interview with Hasbro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=385&v=ouXFP6_u2os), Sam indicates that Target is indeed done with the Retro Collection at retail.
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The individual carded figures probably won't be back at Target (or Walmart) and will probably just be "fan channel" in the Fall (on or after Triple Force Friday, October 4th).
In SWAN's interview with Hasbro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=385&v=ouXFP6_u2os), Sam indicates that Target is indeed done with the Retro Collection at retail.
From that answer I couldn't figure out if he means this round or at all... because they seem to be popular, but if Target isn't interested in carrying them at all that might mean the experiment isn't going to last as long as I thought it might...
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The individual carded figures probably won't be back at Target (or Walmart) and will probably just be "fan channel" in the Fall (on or after Triple Force Friday, October 4th).
In SWAN's interview with Hasbro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=385&v=ouXFP6_u2os), Sam indicates that Target is indeed done with the Retro Collection at retail.
From that answer I couldn't figure out if he means this round or at all... because they seem to be popular, but if Target isn't interested in carrying them at all that might mean the experiment isn't going to last as long as I thought it might...
I took it to mean that the Target order was fulfilled and sold through and that Target was not interested in another order. While it doesn’t necessarily mean they wouldn’t order a new wave, past experience tells me to agree with you, the retro experiment is likely done.
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Disappointed that they're not doing individual figures for now... I'm only missing Vader and the Stormtrooper.
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I like that the e-tailers are all listing these as wave 1. :)
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I don't like that I can't order a Vader and Stormtrooper without ordering a case. :(
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I like that the e-tailers are all listing these as wave 1. :)
So has anything been said that there might be a 2nd wave? I wouldn't mind seeing them reproduce the original 12 and then maybe a nice representative collection of figures from ESB for the 40th Anniversary. If they could actually get waves to hit at the same time, I think it would be cool if they did something like this:
ESB Retro Collection Wave 1:
- Bossk (Bounty Hunter)
- IG-88 (Bounty Hunter)
- Leia Organa (Bespin Gown)
- Luke Skywalker (Bespin Fatigues)
- Rebel Soldier (Hoth Battle Gear)
- Yoda
Modern TVC ESB 40th Anniversary Wave 1:
- FX-7 (could just be a repack of the POTJ figure)
- Han Solo (Hoth Outfit w/Hood Up repack)
- Imperial Stormtrooper (Hoth Battle Gear repack the Black Series figure)
- Lando Calrissian (new figure)
- Bespin Security Guard (use Legacy Collection body w/new head for updated version of the "moustached" Bespin Guard)
- AT-AT Driver (Legacy Collection Re-pack)
and then have wave 2s:
ESB Retro Collection Wave 1:
- Dengar
- Han Solo (Bespin Outfit)
- Imperial Commander
- Cloud Card Pilot (Twin Pod)
- Luke Skywalker (Hoth Battle Gear)
- TIE Pilot
Modern TVC ESB 40th Anniversary Wave 2:
- Lobot (new figure)
- Too-Onebee (2-1B) (new figure)
- Zuckuss (repack of Legacy collection figure)
- Bespin Security Guard (use Legacy Collection body w/new head for a more accurate representation of Sgt. Edian played by Quentin Pierre)
- Ugnaught (repack one of the Legacy collection figures, or a kit-bashed combo of the two Legacy collection figures that looks similar to the Vintage figure)
- Rebel Commander (repack of the BD42 Legacy Collection figure)
That would be 12 retro style ESB figures and 12 modern 3.75" SA style ESB figures covering 24 out of the 29 total figures Kenner released for ESB - the only figures missing would be: C-3PO w/Removable Limbs, R2 w/Sensorscope, 4-LOM, AT-AT Commander & Leia (Hoth Outfit) - and with the exception of C-3PO, we've already gotten all of them in the modern vintage collection.
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I like that the e-tailers are all listing these as wave 1. :)
So has anything been said that there might be a 2nd wave?
Not officially.
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I like that the e-tailers are all listing these as wave 1. :)
So has anything been said that there might be a 2nd wave?
Not officially.
Unofficially?
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Unofficially?
In some of the SDCC Q&As/interviews with Hasbro, they have indicated that these figures were more popular and selling better than expected which was a pleasant surprise.
Reading between the lines, it sounds like they were hoping/planning for the opportunity to do more but were not going to talk about it until they knew how they'd be received by grumpy old men collectors. Sounds like they are relieved to see them selling well and not riling up the "THESE ARE AN ABOMINATION TO THE CLASSIC KENNER TOYS" crowd.
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I have to say the prospect of a wave consisting of Ben Kenobi, Artoo Detoo, See Threepio, Death Squad Commando, Sand Person, and Jawa kind of lacks the "draw" of the first six. When it comes time to do these I completely expect them to swap out characters for, say, Greedo or X-Wing Luke.
I don't expect them to do the droids if they can help it because of the current "no vac metal" policy.
I don't expect them to do the Jawa if they can help it because they don't want to engage in the "vinyl cape or cloth robe" decision.
For that reason, and for the fact that next year is the ESB anniversary, I do expect them to skip right to Empire Retros when it comes time for "Wave 2." My guesses are: Bespin Luke, Bespin Leia, Hoth Han, Boba Fett, Hoth Stormtrooper, and Yoda.