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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Pistol Pete on April 13, 2004, 02:52 PM
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So who's gonna win the election in '04? Personally, I wish there was a choice for none of the above. Some of the stuff I care about such as The environment, education and transportation are offset by taxes, social plans and national security. Both of these guys have some serious problems.
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Either way, we're f---ed.
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agreed
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Why do you say that Mainland? Sure, both canadates have their vices, but we'll be more f---ed up defense wise if Kerry wins. And don't you think that in this day and age defense should be paramount over a Nationalized College Fund?
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Why do you say that Mainland? Sure, both canadates have their vices, but we'll be more f---ed up defense wise if Kerry wins. And don't you think that in this day and age defense should be paramount over a Nationalized College Fund?
You mean to tell me Pistol Pete is Virex?
:)
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We eaither get a double crossing idiot who cleary is lying about alot of thing to the American people. Or we get Bush. ::) Suddenly moving to Canada doesn't seem like such a bad idea. :-X
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Lesser of two evils - I'll vote Kerry.
He's not everything I'd want in a leader - but he's a lot closer to it than Georgie.
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I'm voting for this guy:
(http://home.golden.net/~miq/contemporary%20barbarism/headupass.jpg)
I think we'll all be better off.
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Why would you vote for Chris Berry???
BTW...we have had talks behind the scenes about this very subject a few months ago, the staff consensus is that in general Political/Religious threads usually end in bickering and bad feelings and I don't want to see that happen here. people come from different backgrounds and different walks of life, and have different ideas on these two very major subjects.
Any PERSONAL mudslinging or fighting that happens will result in a warning and this thread being locked (and others like it). There are plenty of other forums out there that you can talk politics at and discuss the origin of universe...ones where you won't piss people off here in this great community we've all built...OK :-*
And with that...Vote WWE!
(http://www.theadvocates.org/celebrities/jesse-ventura.jpg)
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We eaither get a double crossing idiot who cleary is lying about alot of thing to the American people. Or we get Bush. ::) Suddenly moving to Canada doesn't seem like such a bad idea. :-X
Then vote Kerry, his ideology is much closer to that of ours.
The point to your two party system is balance. One will always do things differently than the other and each functions as a balance for the other, correcting their "wrongs". What you perceive to be wrong is entirely subjective and dependent upon your biases.
Double crossing idiot that lies sounds an awful lot like the leadership of Canada for the past 30 years over two parties. Oh right, that's
the definition of a politician. Now it makes sense.
Political discussions are always openly entertaining. It is so amazing to watch how impossible it is for people to put aside their biases to the point of looking idiotic. It appears the JD moderating team will rob me of that entertainment. :-*
Alas, I would have voted for Churchill.
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Vote WWE!
(http://www.theadvocates.org/celebrities/jesse-ventura.jpg)
Yeah baby! If he runs I'm so voting for him. ;D
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We eaither get a double crossing idiot who cleary is lying about alot of thing to the American people. Or we get Bush. ::) Suddenly moving to Canada doesn't seem like such a bad idea. :-X
Then vote Kerry, his ideology is much closer to that of ours.
The point to your two party system is balance. One will always do things differently than the other and each functions as a balance for the other, correcting their "wrongs". What you perceive to be wrong is entirely subjective and dependent upon your biases.
Double crossing idiot that lies sounds an awful lot like the leadership of Canada for the past 30 years over two parties. Oh right, that's
the definition of a politician. Now it makes sense.
Political discussions are always openly entertaining. It is so amazing to watch how impossible it is for people to put aside their biases to the point of looking idiotic. It appears the JD moderating team will rob me of that entertainment. :-*
Alas, I would have voted for Churchill.
I am very much,a vote for the best person voter. I have voted both republican and democrate and often times I try very hard to open myself up for criticism, and accept the shortcomings of the particular party (person) that I am voting for. However, most people do not communicate that effectively they will most often either get defensive or start bashing me for exposing the weakness instead of understanding that a valid point has been made. I will be the first one to tell you that I bait people using creative phrasing or polarizing the issue to get a "real" response. Most people assume that means I'm for one party or another to be fair I do lean one way more often than the other.
This time Around we have a big mess on our hands right now which seems to be as clear as mud.
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Talking politics is fine...berating members of the opposition is a no no
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D'oh! Misread...
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Opposition as in the Iraqi Insurqence? If so I back that decision completly.
No...members of a different opinion than yours
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Oh for some reason I thought you meant making the insurgence look good. Mainly due to the fact I misread your post. Mybad.
Anyway, is it just me or does Bush sound like he's kinda upset?
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Well if you're talking about his speech right now. He's being defensive because the reporters are attacking him.
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As Scott stated, this will be watched very closely and locked for good at the slightest hint of a problem.
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Well, you won't have to worry about me in this thread. It was inane, circular political arguments that made me quit patronizing another forum. And I want no part of this thread either.
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Well, you won't have to worry about me in this thread. It was inane, circular political arguments that made me quit patronizing another forum. And I want no part of this thread either.
That's the whole point, I've seen small points conceded from time to time but little to no changing of anyone's mind. Although I do notice KBZ and Dressel are playing chess and making kissy faces. Something about strange bedfellows
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I don't think he's being that defensive, but you have to admit that it is a nice change from the silence that he kept the last couple of weeks. All in all I think he handled it pretty well, I do agree with his policy's on NATO. However, I think it's wishful thinking about turing over the country in 3 months, maybe in 6 or so, but at the rate things are going, well I'll with hold judgment on that for now.
Intresting thing is I haven't heard any of Kerry's plans for the war, only generalized statements on pulling out. Someone care to shead some light?
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Remember how I said we were f--ked?
Read this:
Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW, so our action is needed immediately. Details and links follow.
If voters who currently support U.S. aggression abroad were confronted with the possibility that their own children or grandchildren might not have a say about whether to fight, many of these same voters might have a change of mind. (Not that it should make a difference, but this plan would among other things eliminate higher education as a shelter and would not exclude women -- and Canada is no longer an option.)
Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents.... And let your children know -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change! Please also write to your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.
The Draft*
$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. SSS must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year 2004.
The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm
Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the Committee on Armed Services.
Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their cur-rent semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
*This article by Adam Stutz is from the "What's Hot Off the Press" column of the newsletter of Project Censored, a media research group at Sonoma State University that tracks the news published in independent journals and newsletters. From these, Project Censored compiles an annual list (more than 20 years running) of 25 news stories of social significance that have been overlooked, under-reported, or self-censored by the country's major national news media. The mission of Project Censored is "to educate people about the role of independent journalism in a democratic society and to tell The News That Didn't Make the News and why."
"What's Hot Off the Press" includes student synopses of articles currently being investigated for inclusion in the next Project Censored report. For more info and/or to receive Project Censored's newsletter, go to http://www.projectcensored.org
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If this comes to pass, I'm selling my collections and moving to New Zealand. F--k this.
Screw it, I think I'll start now.
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I would love to see how fast any administration would crumble if they tried to reinstate the draft.
However, I can see where a hypothetical resurgence of the draft could be advantagous. Let's face the facts: The United States Army has overextended it's self, and we cannot afford to pull out in most cases. So I can see where the need for a draft comes from. But as I said you have nothing to worry about, the public backlash would be tremendous, which is both good and bad.
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Sounds almost like what is required of Israeli youth...thank the Lord I'm over 26
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I support our president and our troops in full. I wont lie, that if I find out that George Bush is going to re-enstate the draft, I will be voting for John Kerry. An army should stay an army. We have the freedom to life, liberty, and the persuit of happyness.
I enjoy my current life, and I enjoy the libertys I have as an American, and I appreciate the boys and girls overseas defending my right to be here, and I am rather happy with it. If I enlist, I am going to enlist for reasons I want. Not for what George Bush, or Congress, or anyone else wants.
Kevin
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I enjoy my current life
Kevin
You lying sack of crap, I know you well enough, you complain about your life non-stop.
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I will try and not get this thread close or upset the community of this great site with what I have to say but I need to point out something for those who are against the draft being issued.
This country and its allies are in what could possibly if not already could be called World War 3 in all purpose. We are fighting an enemy that has been around for the last 25+ years and we have done nothing to stop them becuase we had a bigger threat to us in the form of the Soviets. Once the Soviet Union collapsed most people felt we didn't need the need for a large military that we had at the time because we had no enemies that could ham us like the Soviets could. THis country in the 20th century have always felt protected by two of the biggest barriers an invading army could face the Pacfic and ALantic Ocean, our two neighbors were on good terms with us so we had no worries with them so we were secured.
This secure feeling was shattred on Sept. 11 2001 when the world saw that this enemy was ready to declare an all out war against the nations that repersent the complete opposite of what they belife this world should be like in they beliefs. The US finally reponded to this enemy after this attack and sent out troops thoughout the world to combat Al-qeda and its allies in many different places in the world; the Phillipines, Sadan, Afaganistine, and other places. We saw a threat in Saddam Hussien and Iraq getting together with our enemy seen how it could be possible that our enemiems may become friends since "an enemy of my enemy is my friend". We sent troops to make sure that whatever stuff Hussien had would never get in the hands of Bin or any other terroist using the UN resoultions which Saddam had violated over and over again as a reason to go in to Iraq. With all of these battle fronts this country's Army needs to be manned at its fullest possible strength.
I hope the darft doesn't go on but if it is needed then that what we should do to keep our country safe. On Sept. 11 I was about to enlist in any of the services that would take me, at the time I was 22, my parents talked me into seeing what would happen later before I made plans. I ended up not enlisting but wouldn't heistate to enlist or even go through with being drafted to protect the freedoms that I enjoy in this country, to protect my family from having to go through the horrors of Sept. 11 again and tomake sure that are allies don't have to suffer from this enemy that doesn't care whether or not you AMerican, America's Allies, or if you are not Jewish. If they don't like what you say or do you are they enemies. If you don't belief me in this I have one thing to tell you, why would they threaten the France who are not in IRaq? The answer is because the France Government passed a law outlawing religous symbols in public schools including head scafs for muslim females students and teachers which the terrorist seen as bad towards Islam.
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This secure feeling was shattred on Sept. 11 2001 when the world saw that this enemy was ready to declare an all out war against the nations that repersent the complete opposite of what they belife this world should be like in they beliefs.
War was declared on us long before that, my friend. The World Trade Center was attacked in '93, the only man not apprended for his role in this plot, Abdul Rahman Yasin, a man with ties to Al Qaeda, fled to Iraq.
The US embassies in Northern Africa were attacked by Al Qaeda.
Usama Bin Laden sent fighters into Mogadishu to shoot down our Black Hawk helicopters in our humanitarian mission.
The USS Cole was bombed.
War was declared on the United States all throughout the Clinton administration, there was an act of war on America almost every year of his presidency. Clinton did nothing.
There is only ONE president who has cleaned out the hornets nest in the Middle East and taken away terror's sanctuary, and that is our 43rd President of the United States George W. Bush.
And President Bush will be getting my vote for the 2nd straight election.
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I just saw that Jesse Ventura was thinking about running for prez in 2008. I guess actors have been elected to the big house, why not other actors
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Thanks to Bush, 693 of our soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq & 3,269 US soldiers have been seriously wounded. The White House confirmed today that as early as November 21, 2001, Bush asked Rummsfeld to draft a battle plan for Iraq. Bush was eager to invade Iraq from day one. He has little regard for human life. I'm voting for regime change. My vote is going to Kerry.
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Goodnight. :)