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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => Star Wars Rebels => Topic started by: Jesse James on February 15, 2014, 01:57 PM
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A 30" X-Wing was shown, listed as a "Hero Vehicle". Not compatible with 4" or 6" lines though... Interesting.
30" sounds like it might be damn close to being compatible with the 4" line though. Have to crunch numbers. If it's looking good, it's a good base for customs perhaps? I'll wait and see.
Sounds like it's mostly just a way to put a big vehicle into kids hands that isn't too complex. I'm intrigued!
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Star Wars Rebels Hero X-wing Pics are now live (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Conventions/Toy_Fair_2014/Hasbro/Star_Wars/Star_Wars_Rebels_Vehicles).
Its a mega-huge Xwing for just $40, which is a great deal for the price these days... but it's not in scale with either the 4" or the 6" lines. And the canopy doesn't open. And the R2 doesn't come out (so far).
So, in summary - I'm not sure why anyone is going to want this. ???
It looks cool though...
(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/Toy_Fair_2014/Hasbro/Star_Wars/Star_Wars_Rebels_Vehicles/DSC_0327.JPG)
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Interesting thing... Reports were it's 30 or 29" long?
That's about 1/17 scale. Star Wars figures range from that to about 1/20...
I'd say the ship's length is open to some debate as well, as models from the films (including the CGI SE ships) don't "jive" perfectly.
Sooooooooo what I'm saying is, this may actually be a suitable to-scale X-Wing custom from a certain point of view. I'm interested in it for that. It'd take work to make it more than it is, but it's gorgeous looking.
It proves without a shadow of a doubt that Hasbro COULD do a to-scale ship for the figures though. Same with the Y-Wing and some other fighters. I wish they would. This just makes me wish for that even more. :-\
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Didn't the original FX X-Wing have a dedicated Luke inside? Wonder why they didn't at least try something like that here. This is a little curious as to why there's no figure compatiability... I'd be interested to hear Hasbro's thoughts on the intent behind it.
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I'd say the lack of dedicated figure and whatnot is simplicity... I wouldn't be shocked if that hull is a roto-cast thing like those giant 31" figures at Wal-Mart.
Why they wouldn't make it exactly compatible with figures, I don't know. Maybe because they don't want you annoyed that you can't open it and put a figure in it, so make it a different scale?
That said, if the ship is 29 or 30" long like was being said, it's really VERY close to the figures... 1:17.
Star Wars figures don't really have a specific scale... POTF2 ranged from 1:16 - 1:20. These days 1:20 seems more their scale, but astromechs may be more in the 1:16 range actually. It's weird.
And like I've said, "scale" on Star Wars ships is open to some interpretation. There may be official dimensions but some of those are horribly off. For eons it seems the AT-AT was listed at 15 meters when it's anything but that short. The X-Wing had a LOT of models of it, and none match exactly. From the lifesize one, to the CGI SE one, to about 3 different studio model scales... They're all different to one degree or another. The Falcon's even worse, actually.
I'm anxious to get one of these in my mitts and really examine it against figures. It may make a great base to customize.
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Is this like the vintage X-wing where you push R2's head and the wings pop open? Do the wings pop open? Would it have cost so much more to have an opening cockpit? I like it. I would love it if I could put a pilot in it. It's the same price as Bigg's X-wing on sale, and that seemed to work just fine.
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If it's like I'm guessing, roto-casting would not allow you to do much in the way of functionality... Basically it'd be hollow inside and you couldn't have openings and whatnot. I'm not SURE that's the case with how this is made, but to be that size, at that price, I'd be willing to bet that it's a cheap manufacturing process that doesn't allow for a lot of "features".
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Not sure I "get" this thing either, although it does look nifty. Just not sure why they wouldn't at least make a working canopy/cockpit, although I'm sure it has some to do with pricing. It just would add some playability to kids, and maybe get collectors interested as well. I mean, if you're doing a large scale ship anyways, why not at least try to make it fit in with some figure line, right? The fact that it has a name "Hero Series" makes me think we'll be seeing more of these too maybe? I like the idea of being able to get a big X-Wing for $40, but I think kids/parents and collectors alike would like it to work with the figure line as well.
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Like I said, and I'm just guessing, but I'd not be shocked to see this thing is roto-cast... I believe those big 31" figures are basically made that way. It's cheaper, but it doesn't allow you to do things like opening cockpits and whatnot, as it's basically one solid piece when the casting's done.
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Hasbro has some really great 90% completed ideas out there. ::)
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Fun fact...
29 Inches long on this ship means it's actually 1/17 scale, almost on the nose. Star Wars figures range anywhere from 1/17 to 1/20 (the newer more lean to 1/20). Given leeway in scale in Star Wars ships (lifesize props, IE: set pieces, tend to be smaller than listed measurements, and most hero ships have a variety of models that don't all sync up), I'd say you can kiss my grits on this ship not being for figures. :)
It may not FIT figures, but from a customizer's standpoint, this is a lot better than anything Hasbro's ever made, in terms of getting an X-Wing that LOOKS right with the figures around it. I'll figure out how to make it work. ;)
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So close...and yet so far.
All you really need to customize on this thing is the cockpit, it seems to me. If you could just cut into the plastic and hinge it somehow, seems like you'd be good to go.
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This thing is such a puzzle. I wasn't quite prepared for how out of scale this was to anything until I saw it in person. It's overwhelming.
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If the length and wingspan are correct on the box Anton, the ships actually near dead on scale to Hasbro 4" figures. 1/17. SW figs are anywhere from there to 1/20. Plus the variances in model and prop scales factored in of course... It's incredibly accurate that way. If the wings opened I'd buy 12. They don't appear to though so it'll be good for hangar scenes and customizing.
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Saw this last night. The wings don't open. The plastic is the same plastic used for the Star Speeder 3000. Kind of cheap but solid. There isn't a lot of detail on the ship however it could be made to look fantastic with a paint job. The R2 is just a dome like what was included in the ROTS Jedi starfighters. It think the slot could be drilled out to hold a real R2. The is nothing inside the toy and no other play features. I guess we could cut the canopy off and build out some kind of cockpit for a figure. It's big enough to hold a figure in there. The canopy could be recasted clear. Electronics could be taken from the FX version and stored inside. The wings could be cut and extra plastic sheets added to the holes.
It's interesting it says Disney on it.
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Saw this last night. The wings don't open. The plastic is the same plastic used for the Star Speeder 3000. Kind of cheap but solid. There isn't a lot of detail on the ship however it could be made to look fantastic with a paint job. The R2 is just a dome like what was included in the ROTS Jedi starfighters. It think the slot could be drilled out to hold a real R2. The is nothing inside the toy and no other play features. I guess we could cut the canopy off and build out some kind of cockpit for a figure. It's big enough to hold a figure in there. The canopy could be recasted clear. Electronics could be taken from the FX version and stored inside. The wings could be cut and extra plastic sheets added to the holes.
It's interesting it says Disney on it.
There is an electronic version coming exclusive to Sams' Club
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Saw this last night. The wings don't open. The plastic is the same plastic used for the Star Speeder 3000. Kind of cheap but solid. There isn't a lot of detail on the ship however it could be made to look fantastic with a paint job. The R2 is just a dome like what was included in the ROTS Jedi starfighters. It think the slot could be drilled out to hold a real R2. The is nothing inside the toy and no other play features. I guess we could cut the canopy off and build out some kind of cockpit for a figure. It's big enough to hold a figure in there. The canopy could be recasted clear. Electronics could be taken from the FX version and stored inside. The wings could be cut and extra plastic sheets added to the holes.
It's interesting it says Disney on it.
That's an awful lot of modifications for a ship that already has a dozen decent versions IMO. Pass.
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What store Paul? For just a display to put pilots around its a lot more impressively sized to figures. I was already mapping out mods though. Making the wings "function" is the trick.
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This was at Target. They had three standing on their end in front of some left over TPM guards.
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I saw a photo of this X-Wing on the shelf at a Target store, and OMG!!! This thing takes up an enormous amount of shelf space, and goes about 2 feet up the pegboard wall. Translation? It's eating up peg-space for figures. To which I say...
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bought one last night. The size of this thing is super impressive.
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So I saw the Hero Series X-Wing yesterday. And true to form, it is absolutely ENORMOUS. Personally, I'd like it better if it integrated with the 3.75" figure system, but that would probably drive up the price significantly. Seeing it in person left me thinking that something like this would look good suspended from the ceiling, and that was the extent of it.
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I finally got a look at this thing today. BIG fan of SW vehicles. If the wings/cockpit opened and a standard R2 could fit I'd buy it - but otherwise MEH. It does look like something that might have been from a store display though I'll give it that. Oh and it's freaking HUGE.
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I too spotted this at Target the other morning, it was just lumped in with those 20 inch figures (Vader and Chewie). Bet that will cause some fun if they ever stock enough of that stuff to let it get disorganized for the holidays. Like everyone else, I passed.
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Saw this over the weekend finally... Like I've said, if the measurements hold up, (1/17 by "official" measurements of the ship, but taking into account that all of the models including the lifesize prop vary, there is room for +/- there), this is basically a properly scaled X-Wing to action figures for $40... Given the costs of underscaled ones you can put a figure into, I think it's a pretty solid deal. What was the last price of an underscaled X-Wing? :-\
What sucks is it's clearly not made to be complex at all... Wings don't open, there's no cockpit or droid socket (not a full one anyway), and it only has a forward landing gear somehow... Not sure what the rear gear would be, but I'm guessing the forward gear is just shorter than it should be, ultimately, and probably just plugs into a hole in the bottom. Oh, and the laser's tips are simple half-circle bits... Definitely cheaper looking.
Anyway, if you wanted an X-Wing to park next to an A-Wing that doesn't look comically small next to it? This is your ship actually. I know everyone's bashing it, but it's actually pretty detailed too with panel lines, the rear-hull greeblies, etc.... It needs painted (stickers, ugh), but man it's a good base, and for cheap. I'm waiting to see if they show at K-Mart before I buy since I have coupons there and lots of points, but I'll get one at Target later if I have to. I'm aiming for a few actually, and if they hit clearance I may buy up whatever I see.
I'd have paid $100 for this (seriously) if it had a full cockpit, opening hatch, full sized 3 landing gear w/hatch doors, and a full droid socket... oh, and a paintjob. Like, a real paintjob. As it stands though, for $40, it's a good custom starting off point to make something that is actually pretty good, and at a pretty fair price to do so. Try doing one from scratch and see if you can even accomplish something slightly less than this ship for $40, much less with the details it actually does have.
Hell, just a paintjob on this, it's going to display nice with figures around it, some ladders, and the Yavin cart that pretty much looks comically sad next to the previous Hasbro X-Wings.
This is another one of those things people are pissing their pants angry about that all I see is the positive here. I wish we'd get a Y-Wing now that accompanied it (same scale). I'd be giddy. The shell is more than enough to work with. I'll make it work... And Hasbro isn't going to do one this scale with all the bells and whistles I'm afraid. I wish they would because I'd gladly pay for it, but it's in the realm of "playsets" that isn't very likely to ever happen.
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Saw this over on www.Yakface.com (thanks Jayson) and I get a much more clear picture of what the ship's potential is.
(http://yakfaceforums.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/customheroxwing.jpg)
Now, they just put out an exclusive TRU X-Wing that was $60 (now on clearance for $40), had an opening cockpit, and a droid socket... It is at clearance everywhere I've seen and still not moving. Given all that, I'd rather have the bigger one then, which at least doesn't look laughable with figures and a Hangar Sled next to it out of the box, and only needs a little help to make it something really impressive behind your Rebel Pilots on your display shelf.
I know there's this unbridled hate for this ship, but it's really a shame people don't look at it with a more positive light. The thought of building this from the ground up was always daunting to me. Now, I'm just ecstatic they've put out a solid base to work with.
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Not all are as talented as this person is. Looks really pretty though. I will continue to ignore this thing unless I can find someone to paint it for me which will likely never happen so nothing lost.
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You'd be surprised how easily it would be to spiff this up and make it look grimey, varying in color, but not using complex techniques... Some watered down craft paint (black's and browns) after you tape off some body panels and change some grey shades with rattle can spraypaints and you're on your way to something pretty special.
Making it look pretty's really secondary though to my point... All Star Wars ships come basically not pretty now. They haven't done a good paintjob in eons on a vehicle.
I'm just saying, don't even paint it though if you aren't comfortable trying that... Just use it as a backdrop to your pilot action figures so for once the figures don't look like they could just step into the cockpit or pull themselves up into it from the side. ;D Their Rebel Fighters almost all always looked comically small next to figures, even when they increased the ship's size.
The guy's paintjob just highlights the diamond in the rough.
Modelers are already eying up the Falcon too... I read recently that they think it may be a perfect match for some of the Fine Molds kits, just needing a little detail work and paint, and it's there as a nice companion bit.
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This could be Luke's TESB X-wing as I don't think we ever saw the S-foils deployed in Empire. ;)
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I know there's this unbridled hate for this ship, but it's really a shame people don't look at it with a more positive light. The thought of building this from the ground up was always daunting to me. Now, I'm just ecstatic they've put out a solid base to work with.
Hasbro apologist!!! How dare you enjoy something they made without bitching first... if you're not careful some websites are going to be demanding you turn in your collector card. :-\
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If throwing a conniption over toys every other day, either because they're not what I want exactly, or they're not readily available to me, or because I think they cost too much, or I think they're painted poorly, or because I unfairly compare them to things no mass produced toy ever will (or did) compare to... Then sure, I'll turn my collector card in. Happily. All day long. I wouldn't want to be in that peer group, frankly.
I've been saying it on Twitter and I'll say it here... The more you apply a little logic to things, the more happy about collecting you'll be. It's a lot easier to see the positives that way.
I just wish Hasbro would now do a B-Wing and Y-Wing... I'd be over the forest moon of Endor for that.
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What Jesse said.
Perspective is healthy in all things, and certainly in a hobby as inconsequential, in the end, as this one. Enjoy it or don't. If you don't, save yourself some needless frustration and find a better hobby.
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Saw these at K-Mart tonight which surprised me given there's no shelf space for them in that last reset. Another reset may be afoot there.
I also utilized some TRU coupons this past weekend and picked one up for myself. $15 off was nice.
So far, largely my thoughts are the same. There is as much good as bad to this toy that was ultimately 100% not made for us, so to find such a good level of "This can work" for us is a miracle. Considering basically Hasbro told everyone at Toy Fair to not get their panties in a wad because it's got nothing to do with collectors, it kinda is funny everyone's panties were in a wad. I wasn't even there and got the memo.
That said, customizers can definitely have a field day with it. Next to figures, that's how to enjoy this thing because it really impresses. It lets you know just how massive a ship it is. And how tiny things like the Snowspeeder were/are by comparison. That's where the value is to this.
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I like this
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Awesome. :)
My Target actually sold 2 and my WM sold 1. It is accomplishing its ultimate non-collector goal. It's just gravy it's useful to collectors on any level.
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Only one Target had it
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Interesting on these... They were $15 on Black Friday at K-Mart... My KM stocked a TON of them. I mean, like 50 of these things. I wasn't sure why, but then saw the BF deal on them and it clicked.
I went into KM today, and they had what seemed like maybe 3 of them (I didn't look around the entire store, but saw 3) up high, and the box on one was absolutely destroyed.
It caught a lot of flack from folks at release, but this thing appears to be moving. I really wanted one for $20 or less. Got one last year for $25, and would like one or two more if they were cheap enough to custom up if I could get them for less. :-\
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KM put out even more of these, and they're on sale for $15... Good price for a backdrop to your pilots. I've got plans to pick up a few actually I think. :-[