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Collectibles => The Vintage Collection => Topic started by: Jeff on February 17, 2018, 06:41 PM
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New thread time - finally time to give this wave it's own thread...
Wave 1:
- TFA Rey (Jakku) [repack]
- TFA Kylo Ren [repack]
- TFA First Order Stormtrooper [repack]
- RO Jyn Erso [repack]
- ESB Hoth Rebel Trooper [repack]
- TLJ Supreme Leader Snoke [NEW]
(http://imperialholocron.com/wp-content/gallery/hascon-2017-star-wars-40-years-of-play-panel/HASCON-SW-40th-Panel-34.jpg)
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Honestly, not a great wave, that line-up is going to be a tough sell.
It really should have consisted of Rey and Kylo from TLJ, not TFA and instead of Jyn Erso, they should have poked their heads up and said "what is the one RO 3.75" TBS figure everyone is clamoring for? Ah yes, the Shoretrooper, got it!"
So the wave could have been:
(new) TLJ Rey - they made the figure and instead of bolstering this wave, they reward WalMart?!?!
(new) TLJ Snoke
(newish recombo of existing parts) TLJ Kylo Ren - use the same body from the TFA figure but put a TLJ head sculpt on it since Kylo is helmet-less most of the movie
(repack/repaint) TLJ First Order Stormtrooper - basically the executioner all in white/black
(repack) RO Shoretrooper
(repack) ESB Hoth Rebel Trooper
In future waves we're getting two or more new sculpts - out of the gate the best they could do was ONE?
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I'm probably in on cases of the new stuff. I really hope they do try hard, very hard, to mix the new and obviously popular (Hoth Rebel) in heavier than repacks.
Repacks are a necessity at this point, and I like the cards, but I just hope it doesn't cost the new stuff or popular repack stuff in the long run.
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When planning these waves, how can the team responsible not take this into account:
My guess is that these will be 2 per case. Snoke is easily going to sell out the fastest, it's the only new figure. Sure, I'm going to buy a complete set because of the cards, but I'll definitely buy 2 Snokes and probably 2 Hoth Rebel Soldiers. So, what happens when everyone's looking for Snoke and all they can find are the repacks? That's what seems to slow things down.
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My guess is that these will be 2 per case
Internet sleuthing (http://yakfaceforums.com/main/2017/10/12/the-relaunch-of-the-vintage-collection-whatwhen-to-expect/#more-35477) has the rumored case pack as eight. I think they are trying to keep the cases around the $100-120 range.
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UGH - really?
So right out of the gate 5 out of the 6 figures are repacks AND there are only 8 figures per case? Fantastic - that means that online retailers won't even have the option to sell full and half cases.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, when is Hasbro going to put their heads on straight when it comes to these damn case ratios? If you're going to go with cases of 8 FINE, then the wave is either 8 figures at 1x, 4 figures at 2x or 2 figures at 4x - easy math! For example, if you're going to lead with re-packs, have it be 8 repacks at 1x each, that way, collectors who are going to want to get these just to keep their carded collection going, they're going to buy an entire case and at least not feel ripped off or forced to buy a 2nd repack just for the sake of keeping the collection going or if it was the 4 repacks at 2x each, the online retailers could sell half cases to the same type of audience.
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I could be wrong (and often am) but I thought that somewhere it was hinted that the e-tailers would be able to get full cases of certain figures.
As for the case ratio for standard retail, I think Snoke is 2x per case, as is the Stormtrooper. The rest are 1 per case. But don't hold me to that later. :)
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It's too bad this first wave is so repack (and common repack) heavy, hope it isn't a problem. I could pick up more Hoth rebels and Stormiest, and maybe a Rey/Kylo to keep carded. Otherwise, in for Snoke.
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Just Snoke and the Hoth Rebel for me. MAYBE some more Stormies if the paintjobs on the helmets are improved from the WM Black Series line. I cleaned up on the rest during WM clearances months ago.
It sucks these are all repacks, and I understand why that is, but the one positive is I haven't seen any Rey or Kylo figures since 2016, and Jyn has only recently started hitting in large numbers, so hopefully these won't hang around as much as we're expecting.
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I think people will be burnt out on Jyn, Kylo and that Rey. And that will lead to some pegwarming. Although I am getting most of these for the packaging to not open. So, hopefully others will do the same?
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I've said before, but I think these repacks will do fine. Jyn I'm not so sure, she's the ultimate $4 survivor around here, but the card probably mitigates any hesitancy. Rey and Kylo always sell. Stormtroopers always sell.
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I've said before, but I think these repacks will do fine. Jyn I'm not so sure, she's the ultimate $4 survivor around here, but the card probably mitigates any hesitancy. Rey and Kylo always sell. Stormtroopers always sell.
That has to be a distribution issue. It's tough for me to get into a Walmart, but when I do it's usually because I'm driving into Wisconsin, and the only ones I see sitting around there are TFA Leia, Han, and TLJ Rose.
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I see Leia and Finn and Poe still. I forgot about Poe. I suppose I'm blind to him after two years. Never see any TLJ figures. Those vanished, but we only got one case that I'm aware of.
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UGH - really?
So right out of the gate 5 out of the 6 figures are repacks AND there are only 8 figures per case? Fantastic - that means that online retailers won't even have the option to sell full and half cases.
That might work out perfect for me, assuming that Snoke and either the Rebel Hoth Trooper or Stormtrooper are 2 per. I'm more than happy to buy a case from EE (using the link from JD, of course.)
Thanks for pointing that out Jeff!
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Saw this wave at Target today. 2 each of Snoke and Stormtrooper. 1 each on the other four.
Blocked at register, "do not sell until 4/20". That could be annoying next Friday
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Does anyone know if the paint apps for Jyn are the same as the original release?
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I think they are, but probably with slight differences unintentionally done simply because it's a new production run. I'm buying her for the card plain and simple. Same on Cassian.
I'm gonna hope I find lotsa Hoth Rebels and that this line in general isn't a pain to get. It's already leaking out at some stores.
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I see Leia and Finn and Poe still. I forgot about Poe. I suppose I'm blind to him after two years. Never see any TLJ figures. Those vanished, but we only got one case that I'm aware of.
I could use an extra Poe....I don't like the 5POA one that came with the TRU exclusive X-wing.
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Ugh... This is the wave that's going to get me collecting the sequel trilogy.
Seems like there's a relatively small amount of good sequel figures though, right? Aren't they mainly all 5poa?
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Seems like there's a relatively small amount of good sequel figures though, right?
For SA Sequel Trilogy Figures, there's just 8 from TFA (Kylo, FO Stormtrooper, Rey, Finn, Poe, Starkiller Han, Dqar Leia, Phasma) and 4 from TLJ (Jedi Master Luke, Praetorian Guard, Rose, Executiontrooper).
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My buddy has been finding these on the shelves at Targets all over the place, but couldn't buy 'em either.
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Only one I've seen is the First Odor Stormtrooper and thought "Wow, I got that at Wal-Mart for $6 over a year ago and it came with collector friendly resealable packaging!" What's with this glued bubble card stuff? ;)
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Found this wave at both of the Targets I visited this morning, $12.99 each. I picked up Snoke, the Hoth trooper, and Rey. Man I love these cardbacks. The price stings, and I don't have a problem with the 5 POA stuff, but I sort of wish this was just the regular line.
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I just ordered Snoke from Amazon. $15.99 with Prime shipping. But they wanted $18 for the Hoth Rebel. I passed at that price.
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I just ordered Snoke from Amazon. $15.99 with Prime shipping.
Remind me. Is this Snoke different (other than the card) than what they had in the TLJ line?
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I just ordered Snoke from Amazon. $15.99 with Prime shipping.
Remind me. Is this Snoke different (other than the card) than what they had in the TLJ line?
This is the vintage collection version (SA), not 5 POA, so it’s new.
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Is the Hoth rebel a repack? Couldn’t resist!
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Hoth Rebel is a repack of the beardless version that I believe was canceled as a single figure and then sold in that Target Tauntaun set way back in 2011
That said, I saw a few of these at Gamestop for $14.99. I'll hold out for Target and Walmart to get them, especially since I only need Snoke.
A few of the figures also had the bubbles already falling off the card, so heads up for that. Not sure if that's more of the cheap Hasbro materials we got from 2013-14 or just bad handling in transit to the store
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A few of the figures also had the bubbles already falling off the card, so heads up for that. Not sure if that's more of the cheap Hasbro materials we got from 2013-14 or just bad handling in transit to the store
Yeah, all of the ones I saw today did have a piece of tape holding the bubble on, and I don't think that was done at the store, they shipped like that.
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Seen them all in store now, except for the Hoth trooper. Lots of sequel trilogy Stormtroopers out there.
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It's funny seeing Jyn Erso in two package styles. You can buy Jyn Erso for $14.95 on card or $4.00 in box at Walmart. Why did Walmart markup their price?
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It's funny seeing Jyn Erso in two package styles. You can buy Jyn Erso for $14.95 on card or $4.00 in box at Walmart. Why did Walmart markup their price?
The Target by my office has two new Rathars for $19.99, and one marked down on the back end cap for like $8. That's the price of repackaging things too quickly I guess...
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It's funny seeing Jyn Erso in two package styles. You can buy Jyn Erso for $14.95 on card or $4.00 in box at Walmart. Why did Walmart markup their price?
The Target by my office has two new Rathars for $19.99, and one marked down on the back end cap for like $8. That's the price of repackaging things too quickly I guess...
The situation with both the Rathtar and the TLJ A-wing are puzzling beyond belief. Why would Hasbro *NOT* change the packaging to the new line look?!?! The only difference on the packaging for the new version is that it now has the text "Force Link 2.0" slapped on there. It honestly comes across kind of weak.
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May the 4th was with me I guess since I finally found a Hoth Rebel hanging out at my local Wally. They had more stuff out than they have to date but still not a ton by any means.
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I know it's doubtful, but has anyone seen reports of someone picking up the "Force Link 2.0" version of the Rathtar and opening it? I'm curious (1) if Hasbro did anything to fix the tentacles not really "snapping" into place; and (2) if it makes any different sounds from the original Force Link version.
Same thing with the A-Wing I guess.
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I got 3 of the old rathtar and I found if you firmly pressed in and twisted the tentacles they seat themselves kind of like a gasket. All 3 of mine work well and hold together.
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You also have to make sure you're putting the correct letter in the correct hole.
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You also have to make sure you're putting the correct letter in the correct hole.
That's what she said!
Has anyone else noticed that the First Order Stormtroopers are the early front runners for pegwarmer of this wave? I have been seeing a lot of the wave in stores in the past 2 weeks and I always find a lot of Stormies and either no one else or 1 of each of Snoke, Rey, and Jyn. Besides the Hoth trooper, Kylo appears to be fast moving here.
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Stormtroopers are the early peg warmers here, along with Jyn. Snoke after that, but he's moving.
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I'd love to load up on all these Stormtroopers, but not at $14 each after tax.
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I'd love to load up on all these Stormtroopers, but not at $14 each after tax.
Then can I interest you in these? https://www.ebay.com/p/5x-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-Stormtrooper-3-75-Loose-Figure/2169131478?_trksid=p2047675.m4097.l9055 (https://www.ebay.com/p/5x-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-Stormtrooper-3-75-Loose-Figure/2169131478?_trksid=p2047675.m4097.l9055)
I bought a set of these and though they are a little stiff, they do the trick, especially for $6 per figure
I am surprised at these sitting around, they were difficult to get during the Walmart TBS waves. But the price is limiting, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised
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I noticed that too Jason, and find it odd really, but yeah the Stormie's are backing up here far sooner than Rey, Kylo, and Jyn... I'm pretty shocked.
The only "Now that makes sense" in the whole thing is the Hoth Rebel is pretty damn impossible to get unless you hit the store at the exact moment a case is put out. Such was my luck this weekend, on May the 4th even, so that was kinda nice.
Snoke I'm seeing now too some, but really the FO Trooper being passed over is interesting.
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I'd love to load up on all these Stormtroopers, but not at $14 each after tax.
Then can I interest you in these? https://www.ebay.com/p/5x-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-Stormtrooper-3-75-Loose-Figure/2169131478?_trksid=p2047675.m4097.l9055 (https://www.ebay.com/p/5x-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-Stormtrooper-3-75-Loose-Figure/2169131478?_trksid=p2047675.m4097.l9055)
I bought a set of these and though they are a little stiff, they do the trick, especially for $6 per figure
I am surprised at these sitting around, they were difficult to get during the Walmart TBS waves. But the price is limiting, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised
I bought a set of those a year ago maybe? Definitely a great value, but something seemed off about them to me. I've been toying with the idea of buying more.
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I've actually noticed the troopers warming a bit here as well, which I thought was surprising. I'd like to grab a couple more as well, but just haven't pulled the trigger yet. It's funny, locally this is basically a Target exclusive line. TRU is, well, TRU....and Wal-Mart here basically hasn't stocked any new Star Wars since the Last Jedi launch and I don't bother going there (and don't really want to). TVC seems to be selling decently though, with the Hoth Rebel and Snoke being the first to go.
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Completely opposite in my area than what Brian posted. Target is the only store to have gotten these, and Snoke is sitting. Oddly he's the only one I need but I haven't pulled the trigger yet due to paint app issues. Jyn and Rey are also hanging around too. Kylo, Hoth Trooper, and the FO Stormtrooper are always the first to go, and I haven't seen those particular figures since I saw them at Gamestop on April 13.
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I'm not too surprised on the Trooper. A little, but I think - around here anyway so grain of salt - the fact that you find four or five of him on the shelf with one or two Jyns is very telling. Either collectors no longer army build, or it's only scalpers feasting on this line so far. Probably the latter. Around here it's pretty regular for the 'hot' figure to always be gone. So lately Tarkin, 4-LOM or the Mimban Stormtrooper. Everything else sits, until collectors buy it down, and then the process repeats.
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The only Stormtroopers in my area that are sitting are the ones with the lousy paint jobs on the mask around the eyes.
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I'm not too surprised on the Trooper. A little, but I think - around here anyway so grain of salt - the fact that you find four or five of him on the shelf with one or two Jyns is very telling. Either collectors no longer army build, or it's only scalpers feasting on this line so far. Probably the latter. Around here it's pretty regular for the 'hot' figure to always be gone. So lately Tarkin, 4-LOM or the Mimban Stormtrooper. Everything else sits, until collectors buy it down, and then the process repeats.
That's a really good point. I know it has been discussed/debated to death, but I really wonder how often kids buy/get these things anymore. I know personally if I run into anyone in the Star Wars section, it is much more often an adult than a kiddo. Things might change around the holidays, where almost everything seems to sell, but generally I wonder if kids care much. I think they care about the movies, but the toys....I just don't know. I hope I'm wrong, because I would love for kids of today to be into action figures the way we were growing up.
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Kids aren't into it at all like they were from 2005-2012... so much momentum was lost in 2012 by a number of bad calls by Hasbro/Lucasfilm that damaged retail's ability to move product.
In 2013, the decline really set in once the 5poa stuff became the norm and the toys became boring.
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Definitely the 10 year olds beating the 5 poa dead horse and not the 45 year olds.....
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LOL yeah... I mean 05 ok that was big and it felt like it was spurred on some with TLC and Clone Wars but yeah I by no means would say kids were just full tilt into Star Wars up to 2012 then suddenly TPM3D and 5POA killed their interest. Kids were on board for a short time in the TCW era but I mean it was obvious that just the line in general was declining in overall interest and popularity, then add on incremental price increases year after year after year... I mean we were there but I distinctly recall that time was when my gfs kids lost interest significantly.
It was great for US and I wholly believe kids love articulation too, I know for me as a kid it mattered anyway, but I say again that a LOT of collectors have rose colored glasses on about that 06-12 era cuz there were tons of sales tons of clearance and tons of product dumps then just as there are now. And that says the line wasn’t cranking on all cylinders and mega popular across all demos... you can even look at how the secondary market was then to now and add that evidence in. I used to get 06-12 stuff for pennies on the dollar and now it is selling like mad. Even older is rising in price and that’s testament to Star Wars being in your face with new media yearly not with long gaps where kids and others dropped off.
I had a bunch more crap typed up but it’s meh. I just will say I didn’t see kids in the aisles AT ALL during the TVC era... that was purely for us. I think things had crapped out pretty damn fast after TCW media blitz ended. 5POA doesn’t have a ton to do with it. I do think 5POA sucks, but so does the rapid line replacement schedule, and the fact “good figures” are quite simply expensive. IMHO the line should aim for a $10 pricepoint and articulation being more selective and less “ball joints galore”... but that’s just my take on what I think would help make everyone (relatively) happy. Of course there will be people who say figures should be both cheap and SA and nothing but that should happen, and I call those people delusional.
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Around 2010 or 11, I was at WM on my lunch and there was a kid looking for Plo Koon among the CW figs. He noticed me looking at the toys too, pointed to the TVC figs and said 'the old ones are there.'
The only kids I have seen buying SW since have been buying Lego.
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There is a big cardboard shipper of Solo toys showing up at Targets to coincide with the new movie, and apparently this wave is included with it--I finally found a Hoth Rebel in the shipper at my nearest Target.
It also had a Wampa, which was the first time I had seen one of those in a few weeks. Might be worth the chase if you are still catching up on the launch stuff. (I have given up on the Mimban Stormtrooper now that wave 2 is hitting...maybe he will get picked up for a future wave.)
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I saw the shipper today, too. It had the Wampa as well as the Swoop bike w/ Enfys Nest. But the TVC stock seems to be selling through at most of the area stores.
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In case anyone is still army building these... First Order Stormtroopers less than $7.50 right now as Amazon add-on item (https://amzn.to/2LJyozc). Stock up for your Ep9 scenes now! :P
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In case anyone is still army building these... First Order Stormtroopers less than $7.50 right now as Amazon add-on item (https://amzn.to/2LJyozc). Stock up for your Ep9 scenes now! :P
Below $6 today (https://amzn.to/2LJyozc) so I bought two more (to go along with the two I bought the other day when they hit $7). :-[
I'm going to buy two of the $8 5POA Stormtrooper Commanders in Solo wave 3 and then put the web gear on these SA guys instead.
I'll end up with two 5POA troopers, two SA troopers, and two SA Commanders for $42, which isn't too bad a deal. #collectormath
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I bought 3 at $6.60 or so the other day... I wish I could buy more. :(
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I grabbed two. Hard to turn down at that price.
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I just managed to order 3 more through my wife's account...
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Grabbed two with a cat head scratcher thing cuz my cat is too fat to itch his head now. He’s sad.
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I ordered a couple Stormies as well, couldn't pass at that price. I got them today, and I have to say they were probably the worst packed toys I've maybe ever received. I don't really care since I'm opening them anyways, but the cards were basically bent in half more than once right above the bubble and chucked in a box with nothing else. Again I don't care because I'm a loose collector (although I have been keeping up carded with OT characters in this line), but something to be aware of.
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I somehow managed to order 3 more of these over the weekend, they must have removed the restriction? I tried again a little while later and they were back up to $10...
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Why does my local Target still have Snoke, Jyn, and the Hoth Trooper?
Can't find any of the cool troops they've done since, but I can get a two year old Snoke no problem...
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Same boat here. My Target did get cleaned out before the TROS wave hit, but after a few cases of those trickled through we got a couple of the Snoke Wave 1 cases and never saw the Jawa/Shadowtrooper wave.
What is even more frustrating, before Christmas a local children's charity came in and wiped out that Target's toy section, including all the Star Wars figures in all 3 scales. I thought for sure that solved the Wave One problem, but after a week or so of empty pegs, we got blasted exclusively with Jyns and Snokes. A couple weeks back a lone Rey Jakku joined them, but since then the endcap display that had it's own peg has come down and the aisle pegs are clogged. I have given up on that store and now stalk the WalMart down the street, which has 3 pegs sharing a lone Jawa.
Good luck...
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It still boggles the mind that they haven't put the Snoke etc on clearance. But the Rise of Skywalker stuff is it's own DPCI so Snoke etc shouldn't cause your store not to receive these newer waves. I just don't think Target is ordering much. Mando wave hit one case per store around here. Sold through and nothing to replenish.
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Never saw the Jawa wave, but Target has been a lost cause since Wave 1 of the TVC reboot for me... Walmart has been the only place I found anything and I haven't found anything routinely since the Solo waves.
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It still boggles the mind that they haven't put the Snoke etc on clearance. But the Rise of Skywalker stuff is it's own DPCI so Snoke etc shouldn't cause your store not to receive these newer waves. I just don't think Target is ordering much. Mando wave hit one case per store around here. Sold through and nothing to replenish.
I did have one Target clearance out Snoke for like $5, and I got all excited and checked the other one I frequent the next day to see if the Hoth Troopers were going to be $5 also, and they were still $12.99, and are still there.
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Just heard Snoke is on clearance at Target near me. So soon?.......
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Just heard Snoke is on clearance at Target near me. So soon?.......
I think the Emperor just keeps making more in his bacta test tube. These things will never go away...
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I picked up one or two Snokes on clearance for that express purpose.