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Sony brings Marvel into the Amazing World of Spider-Man (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062/sony_pictures_entertainment_brings_marvel_studios_into_the_amazing_world_of_spider-man)
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Sony brings Marvel into the Amazing World of Spider-Man (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062/sony_pictures_entertainment_brings_marvel_studios_into_the_amazing_world_of_spider-man)
I'm not sure what that means? Amy Pascal just got fired so this seems like it would be up in the air to some extent now...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/business/media/amy-pascal-to-work-on-sonys-spider-man-team.html?_r=0
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Pascal is moving from studio CEO to producer. Kind of a demotion, but she'll probably still be able to cover her bills.
What it means ultimately is:
Spider-Man will be in Captain America - Civil War
Spider-Man will be in his own stand-alone film in 2017
Spider-Man will be in the Infinity Gauntlet movies
Spider-Man may appear in any of the other upcoming Marvel films (not yet determined)
I expect we'll see Spider-Man in one of the end credit scenes after Age of Ultron
also
Thor 3, Black Panther and Inhumans have all been moved back one slot.
We probably won't see any Sony Spidey spin-offs that were mapped out. Disney won't want to oversaturate. Sorry to all those who were looking forward to the Aunt May stand-alone feature film.
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Looking forward to reading the next stupid idea that WB/DC offers to try to keep up with Disney/Marvel adding Spidey to the mix finally -
'Hey everyone, we're cramming The Wonder Twins into Batman V. Superman - Beginning of the Dawn of Justice League of America Superfriends Challenge'!!! ::)
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I still really, really hate that Batman V Superman movie title... :P
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Super excited to hear this news. I haven't had problems with the previous Spidey movies as many have (although Amazing 2 was a bit of a mess), and I liked Andrew Garfield in the role, but I'll trade it all to see Spidey in the hands of Marvel Studios. So glad that this deal finally went down, and we can see Peter Parker alongside the likes of the Avengers. Should be pretty cool, and can't wait to see what direction (casting, age, villains, etc.) they go. Sounding like he may make his debut in Civil War, which would be fitting too.
Looking forward to reading the next stupid idea that WB/DC offers to try to keep up with Disney/Marvel adding Spidey to the mix finally -
'Hey everyone, we're cramming The Wonder Twins into Batman V. Superman - Beginning of the Dawn of Justice League of America Superfriends Challenge'!!! ::)
ps.
I still really, really hate that Batman V Superman movie title...
As for the DC side of things, I agree with you Jeff. As much as I hope all their planned movies turn out amazing, they just seem so haphazard with how they are planning this out. They want to do anything they can to not use the (successful) Marvel model and build towards Justice League and big events, and it seems like now they are just throwing anything that might stick. Plus, it bothers me that they don't make things more cohesive and see the television Flash and Arrow in these movies as well. I might be in the minority, and I understand it might be difficult scheduling wise, but personally I love the new Flash show (and Arrow as well), and would love to see those actors make the transition to the big screen alongside the other heroes. It might be difficult to do, but I think it would be the right thing.
Maybe this Marvel news will spur WB/DC to release that Batman v. Superman teaser trailer now ;).
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Maybe Disney will buy DC and let Marvel run it? ;D
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(http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/batman-and-spider-man.jpg)
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Wow. This is definitely big news for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. No doubt Sony is trying to right their own ship in the wake of the hacking scandal. Part of what came out in that affair was a good amount of bashing of Andrew Garfield's performance in the Spider-Man reboot films by Sony executives . Seeing how his name wasn't mentioned in that press release you have to figure that the role is being recast.
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We probably won't see any Sony Spidey spin-offs that were mapped out. Disney won't want to oversaturate. Sorry to all those who were looking forward to the Aunt May stand-alone feature film.
I may be in the minority, but I was actually looking forward to the Sinister Six movie. Like Brian, I liked Garfield (much more than Toby McGuire) in the role, but am interested to see who they tap on the shoulder to take the web shooters.
Spiderman, X-Men and the Avengers were my favorite Marvel comics growing up, so I'm happy to see at least two of them will be together on screen soon enough. Now if they could only get the X-Men in there too...
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I read Sinister Six was still in development. So it might happen at some point. But I think that's the only proposed Spideyverse film still being considered (outside 2017 Spidey, obviously).
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Wow. This is definitely big news for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. No doubt Sony is trying to right their own ship in the wake of the hacking scandal. Part of what came out in that affair was a good amount of bashing of Andrew Garfield's performance in the Spider-Man reboot films by Sony executives . Seeing how his name wasn't mentioned in that press release you have to figure that the role is being recast.
I really hope not. Garfield was one of the very few things I enjoyed about those films, and was far, far from the reason why they sucked.
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Anyone think that Sony is hedging their bets on the F4 reboot? This could lead to things like Galactus and Skrulls in the MCU if Sony makes a similar F4 deal.
I would also say the chances of a non Peter Parker Spiderman are at least 50/50.
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I would also say the chances of a non Peter Parker Spiderman are at least 50/50.
You're crazy. The whole world knows Peter Parker as Spider-Man. Peter Parker movies have made Sony $4 billion. The circulation of the Miles Morales Spider-Man books is 30,000 (77th highest of January). I see the chances of a non-Parker Spidey somewhere south of 1%.
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Wow. This is definitely big news for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. No doubt Sony is trying to right their own ship in the wake of the hacking scandal. Part of what came out in that affair was a good amount of bashing of Andrew Garfield's performance in the Spider-Man reboot films by Sony executives . Seeing how his name wasn't mentioned in that press release you have to figure that the role is being recast.
I really hope not. Garfield was one of the very few things I enjoyed about those films, and was far, far from the reason why they sucked.
It's looking like that's the way things are going to shake out. Check out this Mashable article (http://mashable.com/2014/12/12/spider-man-may-appear-in-captain-america-3-but-not-played-by-andrew-garfield/) that draws on a number of emails that got leaked in the Sony hack. It seems pretty likely that Andrew Garfield is out. He stood up some very senior Japanese Sony executives at a corporate event. Plus, from Amy Pascals own emails it looks like he's done. She seems to state that the new Peter Parker would likely be introduced in Captain America - Civil War, and those discussions have been ongoing for several months.
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I would also say the chances of a non Peter Parker Spiderman are at least 50/50.
You're crazy. The whole world knows Peter Parker as Spider-Man. Peter Parker movies have made Sony $4 billion. The circulation of the Miles Morales Spider-Man books is 30,000 (77th highest of January). I see the chances of a non-Parker Spidey somewhere south of 1%.
I hope you're right, but I think the odds are a little higher than 1%.
1.) In the comic world today we have a black Captain America and a female Thor.
2.) On the cinematic side we have a black Electro in Amazing Spiderman and a black Johnny Storm in the Fantastic Four.
3.) There are currently no blacks in the Avengers lineup (unless you count Fury I guess).
4.) The current cinematic Avengers map a lot more closely to the Ultimates universe where Miles is Spidey
I'm with Team Parker, but the conditions are certainly ripe to introduce Miles vs. Pete.
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I think many liked the writing of Soidey's personality in the new films more than they actually like Garfield if they are honest. ASM2 was a mess, but they did capture the "spirit" of Spidey better than the (admittedly better) McGuire films did.
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I would also say the chances of a non Peter Parker Spiderman are at least 50/50.
You're crazy. The whole world knows Peter Parker as Spider-Man. Peter Parker movies have made Sony $4 billion. The circulation of the Miles Morales Spider-Man books is 30,000 (77th highest of January). I see the chances of a non-Parker Spidey somewhere south of 1%.
Sony made the Human Torch African American. Casting non-white actors is the hip thing to do in Hollywood right now. Even though they are doing an Antman movie, Hank Pym isn't going to be Antman and he isn't the creator of Ultron. A lot of what has been done in Marvel cinema has been from the ultimate universe. Peter Parker has had five movies in the past 13 years with a reboot just three years ago. This next reboot will only be five years after the last one. I would think casting a Hispanic actor would be quite tempting. I'm not saying it would be the right move, but I bet they are kicking it around at Sony and Disney.
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Man, I don't know. Spidey is the 800-pound gorilla of the Marvel Universe. It'd be like DC casting a black actor to play Clark Kent. And there is a black Superman in the comics right now - also an alternate universe guy. I don't think anybody would use that as evidence that they might cast a black guy to play the next iteration of Supes.
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I'm not saying it would be the right way to go, but I bet it is definitely being discussed. I am surprised that Sony is going ahead with their Sinister Six idea. If F4 bombs, I wonder if Sony is going to look at selling the rights back to Marvel. I think they are only holding on to Spiderman because they can make good money on it by loaning it out. I don't think Sony has what it takes to make a good superhero movie at this point.
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In the hacked emails Amy Pascal specifically mentions Peter Parker, not Miles Morales. That and the success of the previous Spiderman films with Peter Parker lead you to believe that Peter will be Spiderman in this crossover into the MCU.
As far as Sony selling Spiderman back to Disney/Marvel? I don't see it happening. They've seen what a cash cow the MCU has been for Disney, and it looks like they're far more interested in licensing Spiderman back to Marvel studios. And I think if Fox were presented with a similar option they might consider it as well. Fox still owns the rights to the FF and X-Men. But if Fox sees that Sony's partnership with Marvel is profitable? Then they might consider a similar licensing deal. The Marvel Cinematic Universe has been really successful, and if the studios that bought other characters can cash in on that success too, I think they might be enticed to get into business with Disney/Marvel Studios.
Coincidentally, when all of this Spiderman news was coming out I saw an article on Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/marvel-characters-by-movie-studio-2015-2) that shows which studio has the film rights to certain Marvel comics characters. The Submariner is owned by Universal, while Fox has X-Men, the FF and some related characters like Wolverine, Cable, Deadpool and the Silver Surfer.
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I had thought Sony had F4, so ignore my comment about selling to Marvel. Fox may want to sell F4 since the reboot is going to bomb. However, I believe the rights to the Skrulls are attached to F4 as well as Galactus. I think those rights are more valuable the F4 itself.
Sony had wanted to set up their own universe around Spiderman. If they are rebooting Spiderman again, I would have to think their Sinister Six plans have had to change. I don't see them keeping any of the actors from The Amazing Spiderman 2 if they go ahead with the project.
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We won't see Miles Morales but they could absolutely cast an African-American as Peter Parker. Peter has been white obviously in th comics but this is a movie, and not the last iteration we will see, so there's room for interpretation. I think an outstanding choice for Parker should they go his way would be John Boyega. Anyone who's seen him in Attack The Block knows to be excited for TFA and should be for the idea of him as Spider-Man. When some talk about not wanting him to be any thing other than he has been, they're concerned with losing connection to a character they identify strongly with; on the flip side of that, there are oceans of kids out there who have no connection to the character and frankly very few characters in comics and now TV and movies. Disney and Marvel are in business to make money. Here's an opportunity to bring a broader audience to the character, if they so choose.
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I've seen the "short list" posted a number of places - the actors they're reportedly considering. They're all white. The two main ones are Percy Jackson and the lead from Maze Runner.
If I had any say, I'd have them consider Leo Howard. He's on Disney's Kickin' It (which my younger daughter loves). He's legit young (17). He's a martial artist. And he's got great charisma.
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If I had any say, I'd have them consider Leo Howard. He's on Disney's Kickin' It (which my younger daughter loves). He's legit young (17). He's a martial artist. And he's got great charisma.
Ha! Never thought I'd see a "Kickin' it" reference here. I could see him as a good fit though - I like the outside the box thinking.
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i don't understand why take a well known character that has a comic 'history' and change them, why not just introduce a new character. Seems like no creativity there. If what we're left with is changing up the male to female or 1 race to another and thats the level of creativity we've hit then its sad day.
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The press releases on this all mention Peter Parker so the Morales idea is off the table.
I think one of the things that Feige brings is the experience in adapting these characters for the screen in such a way that "respects" the source material (for lack of a better term). I think these studio hacks get involved and start screwing around with things for no other reason than because they can. KF takes the source and adapts it into the framework they have established.
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Asa Butterfield In Early Talks To Star In Spider-Man Reboot; Others Still In Mix (http://deadline.com/2015/05/asa-butterfield-in-early-talks-to-star-in-spider-man-reboot-1201427199/)
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Tom Holland is Spider-Man (http://comicbook.com/2015/06/13/tom-holland-cast-as-spider-man/)
Not familiar with any of his work. Hopefully he has the goods.
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Tom Holland is Spider-Man (http://comicbook.com/2015/06/13/tom-holland-cast-as-spider-man/)
Not familiar with any of his work. Hopefully he has the goods.
That's a poorly written article in that they don't really answer whether Holland will portray Spidey in the Captain America movie or just in his solo reboots.
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Marvel's article doesn't mention Cap 3 either, just talks about the next Spidey movie -
Sony Pictures and Marvel Studios Find Their 'Spider-Man' Star and Director (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24758/sony_pictures_and_marvel_studios_find_their_spider-man_star_and_director)
"Tom Holland will play Peter Parker/Spider-Man in the next Spider-Man film, in theaters in IMAX and 3D on July 28, 2017."
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They've already established he's in the shared Disney/Sony Marvel Universe.
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In February of this year, Marvel and Sony Pictures announced that they had reached an agreement to work together on the cinematic future of Spider-Man. As part of the deal, the new Spider-Man is expected to debut in Captain America: Civil War, before starring in a Jon Watts-directed solo Spider-Man movie to be released on July 28, 2017. For Holland's possible upcoming movie slate, be sure to check out ComicBook.com's comic movie release schedule.
I would think that paragraph states he will be in Cap 3 since he is the "new Spider-Man".
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Did you guys miss the whole Sony/Disney announcement (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062/sony_pictures_entertainment_brings_marvel_studios_into_the_amazing_world_of_spider-man) a few months back?
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I did see that announcement before. I guess my question is:
Who is making an appearance in Cap 3 - is it just "Spider-Man" or will it be this kid as Peter Parker/Unmasked Spider-Man?
I agree it makes sense, based on things previously said about getting Spidey into the MMU, that if Peter Parker shows up in Cap 3, it'll be this kid. BUT, without them specifically saying so in the press release, I guess it'll leave the door open in case they only want a stunt guy in a Spidey suit because he doesn't have any lines in Cap 3 or whatever.
Maybe they chose not to say because they didn't want to tip Spidey's role in Cap 3. Maybe they didn't say because they assumed it was known. I was just curious how big a role Spidey would have in Cap 3, since the movie is already shaping up to be chock-full-o-heroes if the casting/script rumors are true.
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http://www.superherohype.com/news/346383-marisa-tomei-in-talks-to-play-spider-mans-aunt-may-in-new-film
Aunt May giving me that funny feeling in my pants is something I never thought would be possible...
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I guess we are really old now. I guess she is the right age to have an older teenage nephew.
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I have a 20-year-old nephew. My wife's older sister's kid.
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I have a 32 year old neice and a 35 year old nephew. So yeah, no big.
But Marisa Tomei? Yum.
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Well she is 50.
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Well she is 50.
Which makes her younger than me. :-*
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Missed it a few days ago, but I guess this has a name now - Spider-Man: Homecoming (WARNING - potential "Spider-Man in Civil War" spoilers at the end of the story):
http://deadline.com/2016/04/spider-man-homecoming-sony-cinemacon-presentation-1201736748/
And it sounds like they are looking at Michael Keaton (http://variety.com/2016/film/news/michael-keaton-spider-man-villain-homecoming-2-1201752759/) to play the bad guy...
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Zendaya is playing Mary Jane in Spider-Man: Homecoming (http://www.thewrap.com/zendaya-spider-man-homecoming-role-reveal-mary-jane-watson/)
That's quite a bit bigger of a role than anyone expected.
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Zendaya is playing Mary Jane in Spider-Man: Homecoming (http://www.thewrap.com/zendaya-spider-man-homecoming-role-reveal-mary-jane-watson/)
That's quite a bit bigger of a role than anyone expected.
No Emma Watson!? I kind of can't stand Zendaya as my daughter watches that KC Undercover show constantly. Ugh.
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Zendaya is playing Mary Jane in Spider-Man: Homecoming (http://www.thewrap.com/zendaya-spider-man-homecoming-role-reveal-mary-jane-watson/)
That's quite a bit bigger of a role than anyone expected.
No Emma Watson!? I kind of can't stand Zendaya as my daughter watches that KC Undercover show constantly. Ugh.
Those Disney channel shows are pretty awful. They are filled with scenery chewers. Zendaya is a pretty good dancer. She needs to work on her acting though.
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Her acting is terrible. Ideally she won't be dancing a lot in Spiderman, but maybe that's better than her speaking...
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Or not.
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I think she acts appropriately for the series. Tween Disney spy thriller isn't really a medium for "good" acting. I think she has tons of charisma, and with a good director she'll be good in the role.
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First Trailer is out for Spider-Man: Homecoming. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9DwoQ7HWvI)
It's going to be a long wait until July.
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Some people are saying too much Robert Downey Junior. Funny, some were people worried RDJ would quit the Marvel movie universe, not he's in it too much. YES, IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE. I HAVE FILES. :P
Parker's portly pal drops the Lego Death Star...is that a knock a Disney. WE NEED TO ANALYZE EVERY FRAME.
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Wait, why is there another new Spiderman reboot / recast / reimagining? What was wrong with the last kid?
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Wait, why is there another new Spiderman reboot / recast / reimagining? What was wrong with the last kid?
Disney/Marvel wanted Spiderman in their films, but Sony owns the rights to him. They worked out an agreement where they can both use Spiderman and decided it was in everyone's best interests to use the same actor, hence another reboot. Previous Spidey was an older version and Stark bringing in a teen Spidey was a better fit for the story Marvel wanted to tell. Tom Holland (age 20) plays Spidey in Captain America Civil War (Marvel Studios) and in Spiderman Homecoming (Sony Pictures). Andrew Garfield (previous Spidey) is 33.
It's a simple, but brilliant deal in my opinion. Disney didn't have to pay a dime for him - each studio just shares the rights and keeps 100% of the profits from the films they release. It's a win-win for everyone - Marvel gets to bring him into their Avengers universe and Sony gets to feed off Marvel's other successful franchises to help make their Spidey movie a bigger success.
The only odd part is RDJ as Iron Man in a Sony film - I knew he was in it, but figured it was a cameo. Sure looks like a much bigger role. I'm a little surprised that Sony gets to use IM, but apparently Marvel negotiated creative control of the film, so it's a lot more like a Marvel Studios movie released under the Sony name. I wish Marvel and Fox had been able to work out something similar for the Quicksilver character instead of each going their own way.
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There was a lot of behind the scenes drama with the last Spider-Man too, from Sony clashing with the scriptwriters to Andrew Garfield pissing off high level Sony execs.
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Wait, why is there another new Spiderman reboot / recast / reimagining? What was wrong with the last kid?
Did you miss the last Captain America movie?
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The only odd part is RDJ as Iron Man in a Sony film - I knew he was in it, but figured it was a cameo. Sure looks like a much bigger role. I'm a little surprised that Sony gets to use IM, but apparently Marvel negotiated creative control of the film, so it's a lot more like a Marvel Studios movie released under the Sony name.
That's why in the trailer you first see the Sony logo and then you see the Marvel Studios logo. Sony distributes the picture, Marvel Studios gets creative control and makes a Spiderman movie that fits into their larger MCU story, Sony gets a new Spiderman trilogy out of the deal and down the line Marvel gets Spiderman in their other MCU movies.
It was a smart move by Sony. Just look at the "by Studio" indices over at Box Office Mojo and compare the Disney juggernaut verses Sony/Columbia. The top three pictures of Disney made $1.26B (Finding Dory, Civil War & Jungle Book), the top three Sony pictures made $332M - and those three movies are Ghostbusters, Angry Birds and Sausage Party - a poor-to-mediocre reboot that got widely panned and two computer animated movies.
Considering that this is Spiderman and not Doctor Strange or Antman, there is a solid chance that Spiderman: Homecoming will bring in at least $300M which is a win that Sony VERY desperately needs.
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Here's a look at the Vulture action figure. Apologies for the horrible auto-play ads...
http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-first-look-hasbro-spider-man-homecoming-vulture/
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A new poster for Spider-Man: Homecoming. It's odd though that they decided to erase a major part of the U.N. building from the New York city skyline for this, though.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7sHw4yUwAI8a1Y.jpg:large)
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New trailer - can't believe I'm saying this - too much Iron Man? Looks great. Though they pretty much give away the entire story.
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Just saw Homecoming...it is another great Marvel movie top to bottom, the way they skipped the whole being bitten by a radioactive Spider etc and another Green Goblin story was really well done
Ties into Civil War and the trademark balance of Humor and Action with dashes of comic lore were again tonally so much better than anything cooking right now in any Movieverse
I also loved Keaton's Vulture...and Holland is so great as Peter Parker...homerun!
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New trailer - can't believe I'm saying this - too much Iron Man? Looks great. Though they pretty much give away the entire story.
and this isn't true at all...it's so much more than the trailer
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Just saw Homecoming...it is another great Marvel movie top to bottom, the way they skipped the whole being bitten by a radioactive Spider etc and another Green Goblin story was really well done
Ties into Civil War and the trademark balance of Humor and Action with dashes of comic lore were again tonally so much better than anything cooking right now in any Movieverse
I also loved Keaton's Vulture...and Holland is so great as Peter Parker...homerun!
Great to hear! I've been seeing a lot of naysayers solely off the trailers (and that it's ANOTHER reboot), but I had a great deal of faith in Marvel Studios.
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Reviews are coming in and they are all really positive, I'm itching to talk about this more will wait until you all of have seen it :)
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I already have my tickets for Saturday afternoon. And thanks to the local theater renovations, we have luxury seats and reserved seating!
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Saw it tonight and really enjoyed it! I'd rank it tied for 2nd best Spidey movie with Raimi 2002, behind SM2 2004. Loved how they tied Vulture into the cleanup of the Chitari from the end of The Avengers, and the twist with Liz's parents was great and caught me completely off guard.
Couldn't help but notice the POTF2 Stormtrooper and POTJ Porkins figures scattered among Peter's vintage SW collection. What, Disney wasn't able to find any modern SW figures at the nearest Walmarts and Targets? ;D
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I saw it last night and for me, it's easily tied with the 2004 SM2 movie - which I have long felt was the best Spider-man movie released so far.
Very cool to see Marvel Studios work in the Vulture so well, especially considering if rumors are true - it was Sam Raimi's desire to have Vulture as the main villain of a Tobey McGuire Spider-man 4 - and apparently Sony execs didn't like the villain choice and where Raimi was going so that was a major factor in Sony deciding it was time to reboot the franchise.
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Really enjoyed SM:H! It was just a fun, enjoyable film. Keaton was fantastic. Loved the after-credit scene. Also loved how they incorporated Damage Control - really had fun with that series back when I was a teen.
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We saw it yesterday and I think it's one of the best Spider-Man movies, if not THE best! I finally feel like they got Peter Parker right. A child genius who ends up with this incredible super power!
I also thought Keaton as Vulture was really well done, as well as the nod to Scorpion and Shocker!
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I really liked Homecoming. I think it was the best portrayal of Parker to date.
Is the whole Stark-automatic-driving-vehicles going to be a plot thing sometime? In CA:CW, they make a point to show that Stark's chopper was pilot-less. They also did this with the driverless limo and pilotless plane.
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Homecoming was terrible. How could they make a Spider-Man movie so whimsical? And there wasn't a single funeral scene! Vulture was like a thief! Where's the massive city or global scale destruction? And Peter Parker looks like some puke teen kid, not a guy pushing 30!
Yeah, it was fun, better than I expected. I skipped the Garfield movies at the theater...and those last two Spider-man movies, too. :P
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Yeah, it was fun, better than I expected. I skipped the Garfield movies at the theater...and those last two Spider-man movies, too. :P
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+1 for Bill
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Finally got around to seeing this over the weekend and it did not disappoint. Hands down the best Spiderman ever and a great addition to the overall Marvel cinematic universe. Holland's quirky Spiderman was full of energy and optimism - a refreshing change from darker and sadder incarnations. I like how they skipped over the origin for a change (didn't need to be redone yet again), and giving him a buddy to share the secret with was another refreshing change. I initially thought Vulture would be a lame villain, but he was great too - especially with the ties back to the Avengers and alien tech. I love how they're using that explain and include a plethora of C-level baddies. Shocker was obvious, but some great nods to other potential characters like Scorpion and Prowler, and even a possible tie to a Miles Morales Spidey down the road. The level of Stark inclusion was just right - I was worried he would be too involved, but I thought it worked out really well. Some nice plot turns that I did not see coming and that ending was awesome. They even brought back Pepper for a cameo! Even the very last extra scene after the credits was a gas. Looking forward to seeing this one again and more Spidey goodness in future movies.
My only complaint is still Zendaya's Mary Jane. Not a fan of her acting in general, but casting her as a nerdy recluse instead of a popular hottie is a total mystery to me. She didn't serve any real purpose throughout the movie - maybe they left something more meaningful on the cutting room floor. I think it would have been better to just leave her out of the movie. Similar thoughts about the redesign of Flash Thompson, though he had more reason to be there as an ongoing antagonist/rival. Still, pretty rare to find an overconfident mathlete ladies man who DJs at parties. ::) Forgivable choices overall.
One question for those that have seen it - (spoiler) - Did we actually "see" Stark and Pepper get engaged off scene? I couldn't tell if that was a meaningful off camera plot point or just a simple ruse for the reporters that we won't hear about again.
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I thought Flash was pretty fantastic. Apparently in 2017, high school kids legitimately aren't bullied by jocks anymore. They're bullied by privileged, rich, incompetent douchebags. And this Flash fit that role perfectly. So it was a nice update, I thought. And casting him non-white was kinda refreshing (how many times have we seen the white alpha-male cast as the villain?).
I'd say Zendaya is also a reflection of modern times. The girl comic book nerds dream about isn't the super-hot cheerleader. It's the brainy, competent fellow-geek. I expect MJ will "bloom" over the course of the next film to be suitably attractive along the lines of Hermione. But for this film she couldn't overshadow Pete's main crush (also a brainy geek, but way hotter).
I think the engagement was intentionally left open to interpretation.
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How many of you wanted to buy a Lego Death Star after watching?
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How many of you wanted to buy a Lego Death Star after watching?
My son has one, but we both felt queasy after watching it get smashed.
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I read somewhere that they ended up destroying 7 or 8 of those Death Stars during filming. That's a lot of cash at $500 each!
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I read somewhere that they ended up destroying 7 or 8 of those Death Stars during filming. That's a lot of cash at $500 each!
Product placement. They were probably free. However, I would have loved being on the team that built them.
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The production budget of SM:H was $175 million. They blew up cars and ****. $3500 in LEGO Death Stars is a rounding error on a project like this. ;)
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I read somewhere that they ended up destroying 7 or 8 of those Death Stars during filming. That's a lot of cash at $500 each!
Legos are like matter - they can never be destroyed, just separated into smaller bits. I'm more surprised that they had to build 8 of those suckers, as they take forever. The instructions for the set are spiral bound.
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Okay, okay, for us poor folk who do not get free stuff from Disney, that's a lot of cash. :P
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...so we are gonna pretend that the snap didn't happen?
https://youtu.be/VUFmhKpZKlE (https://youtu.be/VUFmhKpZKlE)
Looks good. I think this will follow a similar plot to the original Incredibles film. Mysterio creates these menaces/disasters s he can save the day and become a famous hero.
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...so we are gonna pretend that the snap didn't happen?
I'm thinking this probably takes place before the events of Infinity War.
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Sony's president said a while back that this film picks up right where A:EG ends.
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Thanks for posting the trailer! Looks great.
Spidey's return really shouldn't be a shock to anyone. Both he and the Guardians had planned sequels when Infinity War hit, so you knew these characters would be back.
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Really, really looking forward to this. Mysterio is one of my favorite Spidey villains, and it is really cool to see they are sticking pretty closely to his classic look here. I'm pretty sure Kevin Fiege himself has officially confirmed that this is after Avengers: Endgame, which I guess is a spoiler but shouldn't be surprising to anyone. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Black Panther will have more movies as well.
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Went to Spider-Man: Far From Home today, and absolutely loved it. I'll admit, I'm an easy mark for a Spidey movie, but this may be one of my all time favorite movies, particularly superhero movies. Very comic booky in places, which I loved, and just a fun ride. I won't go into spoilers here, but obviously stay through the credits. Definitely some surprises there.
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Caught Far From Home today and loved it. I still have problems with Zendaya's MJ, but I've always been partial to the MJ from the comics...she's sucha complex character.
Definitely need to stay through the credits for the last stinger!
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Saw FFH this past weekend. Fun little movie, didn't fall in love with it, probably ranking it somewhere in the mid-tier of the MCU. I do love this version of Peter and I'll be sad when Sony gets the rights back and scraps this version to do their overcomplicated Sinister Six garbage.
And yes, stay for at least the mid-credits scene! I was not expecting that!
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Sony would be stupid to take Spider-Man out of the MCU.
Venom was not a good movie and the sequel is going to bomb. Into the Spider-verse was good, but the pedestal some people are putting it on is a bit too high.
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Sony would be stupid to take Spider-Man out of the MCU.
Yes, Sony would be stupid to take Spider-Man out of the MCU and that's why they're not going to do it.
All of the talk this week about what can happen with the sharing arrangement, blah blah blah. At the end of the day, Spider-Man: Far From Home is approaching $850M worldwide and internationally, without taking into account inflation, it's the highest grossing Spider-man movie to date.
Sony knows that the reason it's doing this well is because it's connected to the MCU. People are coming to the theater to see it to see how it connects and continues to the MCU story.
Personally, I think Venom did well because people were hoping for a Deadpool-like take on the Venom character (which they only sorta got) and they thought it was tied to the MCU (and may have been surprised to learn it wasn't). I think Matt is right, there will be a lot of folks who basically stay away from the sequel to Venom because they will know that Spider-man won't be in it and it's not tied to the MCU narrative.
Quite frankly, the team at Sony should be going to Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige and saying that they want to put up the $$$ to have at least one movie a year, hand over creative control and let Marvel Studios go wild. There is still a way, before any other Venom-verse (or Sony-verse or whatever they're calling it) movies come out that they can "fix" things. You could always just say that the events of Venom took place mid-way through the blip, people in San Francisco were trying to move on and Carlton Drake, an Elon Musk-like billionaire was running his own space exploration program out of the Life Foundation. He didn't come up on the Avengers radar and Tony Stark who would normally snoop around in the business of other tech geniuses was busy on his farm with Pepper and Morgan.
I think most fans would welcome this, it would strengthen the franchises on both sides because it would allow Marvel Studios/Feige to FREELY incorporate Spidey villains into the MCU.
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Far From Home was enjoyable, but MJ's schtick gets old and I'm getting old. I don't care much for teenage bull**** awkwardness. And almost every significant character in the movie is comical, more so than Homecoming. I suppose that's better than the over-serious Garfield era Spider-Man movies. (Never having seen all of ASM2).
The tie-ins to MCU are the best thing current Spider-Man movies have going and I'm not even a MCU purist really.
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I guess the subject of this thread needs to change to Spider-Man Leaves the Marvel Movie Universe.
>:( >:( >:( >:(
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I can't even begin to describe how monumentally stupid this decision is going to be. Sony is banking on the financial success of into the Spider-Verse (good movie) and Venom (Not a good movie). Holland is still contractually obligated for one more Spider-Man movie and Watts is on contract to direct it.
My prediction if no new deal is struck between Disney and Sony:
- The next Tom Holland Spider-Man movie will be the last good Spider-Man movie for a while (They can't mention anything MCU in that movie...which is all the set-up they have at the end of Far From Home.)
- The Venom sequel is going to bomb at the box office.
- The Into the Spider-Verse sequel will do ok...but it will not be good enough to justify continuing.
- The MCU is going to suffer greatly with the loss of Spider-Man because he was set-up to be Tony Stark's heir in Far From Home. With the latest plan of Woke Female Thor (That film's going to tank...Taika Waititi is already attacking fans who have legitimate complaints about a character already written out of the MCU for lack of chemistry now becoming the lead in that franchise). Also, their other movies (with the exception of the Doctor Strange sequel and Guardians 3) don't look as good as anything pre-endgame.
I'm hoping that this news leaking is just a tactic from Sony to try and get a better deal with Disney. If this happens Both companies are going to suffer greatly in the long run....until Sony finally gives up and Spider-Man's rights revert to Marvel/Disney and by then it will be too late to even save the MCU.
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Maybe with Spider Man out Disney can concentrate on getting their hooks back into the Fantastic Four. I can’t think of any comic franchise that has been more woefully underserved. :(
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Spider-Man - Homecoming and Spider-Man - Far From Home were HUGE money makers for Sony. Evidently Disney/Marvel Studios took a very minimal percentage of the profits of both films, but retained the licensing and merchandising rights, so they made a lot of $$$, too.
Some historical context about where Sony was when Spider-Man - Homecoming went into production is worth discussing. Because after the Sony hack of 2014 the studio was in a bit of trouble, including the head of the studio, Amy Pascal. She took a beating during that scandal. But the new Spider-Man movies really helped save the studio and her career, and I took note of her credit in "Far From Home" as a producer.
This issue is very clearly about one thing: MONEY. Disney wants a greater share of the profits. If you look at how MCU characters had been integrated into those two movies, it's pretty clear that bringing those characters into the Spider-Man films HELPED those projects. Especially if you're looking at the box office of those two movies compared with the Andrew Garfield films.
But Sony probably thinks they're in a strong negotiating position now. Their new Spider-Man movies have been successful at the box office. And two of the biggest stars in the MCU films have ended their runs - Iron Man and Captain America have both been written out of the series. Their absence makes Spider-Man far more valuable to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. While I think a lot of people have been surprised by the way some characters within the MCU have taken root (Guardians anyone?), is Marvel Studios going to bank on something like The Eternals that much?
My take? Sony and Marvel both need each other. Their continued success depends on them working together. Otherwise we're going to see history repeat itself as Sony will continue rebooting Spider-Man in order to retain the movie rights to the character. But I have a high degree of confidence that with the X-Men and Fantastic Four now back under Marvel Studios control they are actively working on a way to integrate those characters into the MCU, and we're going to see some great things from those segments of the Marvel universe.
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You pretty much nailed it, Nick. The problem is that Sony thinks the Venom sequel will do well....it's going to tank compared to the first one...the Venom movie just wasn't that good.
The Into the Spider-Verse was enjoyable, but I've never been much of a Miles Morales fan. The average movie goer is going to know Spider-Man as Peter Parker.
Disney isn't in a much better position because they've made Spider-Man the heir apparent to Iron Man. The next phase of the MCU seems kind of lackluster imho...again, the average movie goer has seen the end to an 11 year story. I have a feeling a lot of people might jump ship now that all the big names are gone.
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The last Spiderman movie proved you don't need Tony Stark in it. It is the highest grossing Spiderman movie to date. Who knows what will happen if Sony goes on their own with Spiderman 3. It didn't work too well the last time; meaning it never happened with Garfield.
As for the MCU, they are going to run the risk of things being really clunky and hamfisted. Bringing in the Fantastic Four is one thing, you could just have an origin story that they gained their powers post snap and are younger compared to the Avengers. Trying to explain away Mutants is going to be something else. The MCU has done some silly stuff in the past. I'm looking squarely at Iron Man 3. The studio claimed they did the whole Trevor/Mandarin thing because they couldn't have a mystical super villain with magic rings; that magic didn't fit in the MCU. Not too many years later we get Doctor Strange. We may even be getting the real Mandarin according to current rumors. The current work around for mutation has not worked all that well in Agents of Shield and Inhumans. Really, I think if Disney got the complete rights back to Spiderman, we could very likely see an entire MCU reboot so they could build all the properties from the ground up. At this point, they still have enough star power even without Iron Man and Cap to keep going, but this will all come to a head eventually. I am pretty surprised the superhero genre has lasted this long. DC is certainly a mess, but the MCU has been fairly consistent.
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The last Spiderman movie proved you don't need Tony Stark in it. It is the highest grossing Spiderman movie to date.
Really Ed? Far From Home was completely devoid of Tony Stark?
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I don't agree with any of that. The Holland Spiderman movies are blockbusters because they're part of a bigger MCU storyline. Stark's death was a massive plot point in FFH, but even if it wasn't people were there to see the next chapter in the MCU saga - not just a standalone Spiderman movie. I do like Holland's Spidey better than predecessors, but that's built on a character heavily involved with the Avengers. I don't know how you do a stand alone Holland story without mentioning MCU events or characters, and rebooting the character a 4th time could be a real disaster, especially given all the Holland love out there. I don't think there's any way Disney would reboot the MCU with 20+ hit films and a dozen movies and shows in the works. If/when they bring FF and X-Men into the mix, I'd bet they are new/young heroes (vs. heroes in hiding) or maybe alt dimension characters. Or maybe we'll get some backstory with the upcoming Black Widow prequel...
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I have to agree about "Far From Home" and the place it occupies in the MCU. I never even saw the two Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies. But because of the MCU links between the new Tom Holland movies along with appearances in Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame? I felt much more drawn to see FFH. Sony should certainly recognize that being part of that larger universe can likely only help their cause in terms of selling tickets.
I think at this point we have to wait and see how things are going to develop. Both studios have more to gain together than they do separately. For Disney having Spider-Man as part of their broader universe is a big deal. And for Sony it's important for them to have more potential villains and related characters for Spider-Man than the Sinister 6 crowd. One notable character that's in the Disney domain? Kingpin! He wound up being developed into a pretty good character in the Daredevil / Defenders segment which is totally MCU territory. That whole New York character landscape is fertile territory for Peter Parker / Spider-Man. But who have we gotten teased? The Scorpion and Venom. And all of the Stark related characters in Far From Home may now be off limits for Sony. This public dispute is probably part of a negotiation, and Disney is trying to get a more equitable agreement that would benefit Marvel Studios.
As for the future of the MCU? The projects that have been announced sound alright, but they need to be developed. But what gives me confidence is that Marvel Studios have done excellent service to their source material and adapted it in a way that only enhances the legacy of these characters. When you compare the work of Marvel Studios to that of Warner Brothers and Fox and how they handled DC characters or the FF and X-Men? I would still take the MCU over any other studio.
As for the established stars? Hemsworth is still in the mix as Thor and has linked up with the GotG. A Black Widow films is in production which explores her earlier life. Dr. Strange and Black Panter both have significant room to grow. And we're also expecting the Falcon & Winter Soldier and Loki TV series that are being produced for Disney+. There's plenty of room for Marvel Studios to grow in the post Iron Man / post Cap era.
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As others have said, this is a lot of public negotiating and Spidey's exit from the MCU may not be set in stone. I suspect they'll work it out.
The FF I suspect will be the easiest of the Fox characters to integrate. My own theory is the Quantum Realm is likely the source of their powers and we may have already seen some seeds planted for them here and there.
X-Men are a little more challenging. You have two options I think. One is the Snap becomes the genesis of their powers, with all the gamma radiation. This isn't perfect. The other is they arrive via another dimension, which is going to be a thing in this next phase or two. Not sure which I prefer. I do think much of their mythology, specifically Xavier/Magneto, is so well covered now that we're unlikely to see it again at the outset. There are plenty of periods in X-history sans both of them that could serve as models for introducing the team. See pretty much the 80s. A potential tell on this is the rumor Disney may try to excise any Fox X-era references from the New Mutants film to preserve its characters for future use in the MCU.
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The last Spiderman movie proved you don't need Tony Stark in it. It is the highest grossing Spiderman movie to date.
Really Ed? Far From Home was completely devoid of Tony Stark?
It was devoid of Robert Downey Jr. The plot may have revolved around Peter being the heir apparent to Tony, but we didn't even get a RDJ cameo unless you count a picture of him on the school new broadcast. It is essentially like Luke Skywalker in TFA. The opening crawl leads one to believe that the plot of the movie would be around finding Luke, only to find out we get a half a minute at best of him on screen. By comparison, this movie had less actual Tony Stark in it, but did just fine.
Can the next one stand on its own? Who knows. Spiderman still had Happy Hogan, Nick Fury, and Maria Hill in it. It will be pretty jarring for the next one to not have any MCU characters, especially if they can't even be mentioned.
Personally, I think the deal isn't truly dead yet. If they put out a Venom 2 first and that isn't successful, I think things will get renegotiated. I foresee Sony having problems with a Spiderman 3 script. So far, they haven't recycled villains, with the exception of introducing Harry as the Green Goblin at the very end of the second Garfield movie. Not sure who you would choose at this point if you wanted to go with an unused villain.
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I love this.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDEX7JNWwAYq1Bt.jpg:large)
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That's a pretty good update. Regarding the Netflix characters / shows? Those shows are/were produced by Marvel Television for Netflix.
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They need a small circle for Legion/FX too...
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Well I'm glad that **** storm is over....for now.
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Well I'm glad that **** storm is over....for now.
I prefer the "Apple is going to buy Sony" rumor. That way, all the rights automatically go back to Marvel and this nonsense is over for good.
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Well I'm glad that **** storm is over....for now.
I prefer the "Apple is going to buy Sony" rumor. That way, all the rights automatically go back to Marvel and this nonsense is over for good.
I doubt this will ever happen. Japanese companies almost never sell subsidiaries or whole companies to any non-Japanese company. They'd sooner see Sony go out of business then sell it to a foreign entity.
Its possible that someone could buy intellectual property like Spider-Man, but I highly doubt Sony will ever be sold to a US company like Apple.
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Apple Playstation 5.
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I think Apple was looking to buy just the movie studio portion and not the company in total. It would make sense from the standpoint of their own streaming service to grab a movie studio so that they could produce original content with greater ease.