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Multimedia => The Prequel Trilogy => Topic started by: Jesse James on May 10, 2005, 03:52 AM
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This is partly hypothetical, and there's partly some roots in EU here as well, but it's a question I've wondered since E3's been rolling around now and we know the inevitables that come of that film.
So my thought is, do any Jedi besides Obi-Wan and Yoda live in hiding on into the years of the Empire?
The films most likely imply nothing of the sort happening, but at least one instance in EU claims at least ONE Jedi lives on through the days of the Empire, likely in hiding, and even past ROTJ.
His name is Qu Rahn... Just a bald human with a goatee, who is executed by the Dark Jedi Jerec in the Dark Forces storyline (In the game Jedi Knight). He's a friend, and possibly was being hidden by, Kyle Katarn's father Morgan... Anyway, the story there, whcih I personally love, has made me wonder what others have thought of Jedi escaping and going into hiding.
it seems that the Jedi are all over the galaxy... It's likely that SOME are alone, and woudl be able to escape... That's how I see it anyway. I'm not sure if other stories exist of Jedi escaping and going into hiding other than Rahn... Anyone know?
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So my thought is, do any Jedi besides Obi-Wan and Yoda live in hiding on into the years of the Empire?
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it seems that the Jedi are all over the galaxy... It's likely that SOME are alone, and woudl be able to escape... That's how I see it anyway. I'm not sure if other stories exist of Jedi escaping and going into hiding other than Rahn... Anyone know?
One would assume that others besides Obi Wan and Yoda escape. They did (spoilers) change the Jedi beacon from "come home" to "run and hide".
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I know of two right off the top of my head that survived past ROTS - Brand and the Dark Woman. Brand was the fat floating Jedi with no legs in Dark Empire. He was a padawan to Yaddle. It might even be explained in DE where and how he went into exile, but it's been awhile since I've read DE.
The Dark Woman was the master of Aurra Sing. She was eventually tracked down and killed by Vader just prior to ANH in an issue of SW Tales (might even be the first one).
I don't believe all Jedi were generals and leading clones when (spoilers) Order 66
(end spoilers) was given. Some may have just wondering about the galaxy, learning and what not. (Although with a full scale war happening, those would be few and far between) I would think that most of those survived.
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I think Master Zao (from REPUBLIC) goes into hiding. He had quit the war effort after becoming disillusioned with the whole thing.
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I could see Jedi doing things OTHER than warring too... Checking up on potential military fronts and whatnot... investigating losses or "situations of interest". There's a lotta Jedi but they dont' need to all be leading armies of course.
I liked the Rahn story, though little seems known about it. Sad he gets offed like he does, by who he gets offed by, after surviving so long through even the Emperor's death... It's like running the marathon think you're in first, only to find out someone was just out of your vision.
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It's entirely possible that there are more Jedi out there...but they've been scattered and don't really have a way to regroup after whatever happens in ROTS.
I just remember what Ben said in ANH, "Now the Jedi are all but extinct." Which could mean that there's just Yoda, Obi-Wan, Luke and Leia. Or depending on your point of view, there are others out there scattered throughout the Galaxy.
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I'm not a big EU guy, so I go by what exists in the movies, and I'll probably extend what I consider cannon (oh god, shoot me, I said "cannon") to include the TV series. So my opinions are based on that view of the SW universe. :)
Spoilers, Highlight:From the latest word on ROTS, at least Shaak Ti survives, or so it's implied as she eluded her original death by Grievous and her (filmed) death by Vaderkin. I'm sure that the beacon reversal is to provide some wiggle room for some Jedi to live through the TV series.
It could make for some interesting stories to chronicle their survival through the years between ROTS and ANH.
But I agree with Matt, and still consider all Jedi to be deceased by the OT, as described in the movies.
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Hey Jared, I just edited your spoiler text, if that's ok... Didn't want to piss someone off since it's in the non-spoiler area... Don't hate me! :P
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Proper highlighting box fixed. :-*
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Canon is what Canon does and stuff... I agree. I'm just speaking hypothetically here, since the Jedi Knight storyline appeals to me...
The only thing that I see that doesn't jive with Jedi surviving is their apparant lack of effort to help the Alliance... Besides Ben's name being on some "911 list" for Leia, it seems odd that Jedi in seclusion/hiding wouldn't try fighting somehow... Then again they seemed to not be terribly interested in galacitc politics, and if they're scattered without communication perhaps some feel it's best to just walk away from the situation and fade into obscurity... Disillusionment with war, especially after basically losing, would seem a possible reason they'd not really want to fight on.
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The Dark Woman is another Jedi who goes into hiding. Her fate is covered in an issue of STAR WARS TALES. Darth Vader hunts her down and kills her in one issue.
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Could y'all refrain from posting spoilers in here....that little highlight trick isn't working at all. ::)
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Could y'all refrain from posting spoilers in here....that little highlight trick isn't working at all. ::)
Works now. ;)
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Works now. ;)
Clever. Never thought of that before. Nice to see we can finally use some hidden text here, since we could never figure out how to do that before... 8)
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Yeah. :-*
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I thought it was good... I couldn't read it on my screen, though I could vaguely see writing.... That works though I guess. Gotta remember that.
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Thanks y'all...from tose of us that are avoiding the spoilers.
Only 6 more days to worry about it! ;D
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I'm hoping the ROTS Comic
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Was wrong about Quinaln Vos...It would be a shame to waste a great character on such a scene.
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All of these questions and more will be answered in the Rykrof Enloe photonovel series. Patience. ;)
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And I've said before, CHEWIE's Rykrof Enloe series should be considered EU canon. Check it out over in the "customs" section, under "photonovels." ;D
And...(spoilers below)
Just because Quinlan was caught in an explosion in the ROTS comic, doesn't mean he didn't survive it and escape. ;D
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Spoilers perhaps for the non comic folk
Well I don't believe Quin did die because of the Tales story "Ghost" where he meets up with a young Han Solo. He's older and being hunted down by bounty hunters.
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He's always being hunted down by bounty hunters. :P
I'd love to see him live.
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I thought all of the Tales storylines specifically took place in the Infinities universe.
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^ A common misconception. Some of them take place in Infinities, some take place in "real" SW; basically it's up to personal preference as to which are considered real or Inf (or up to authors of reference guides when they decide which stories to include).
And there were quite a number of Jedi who survived in the EU, although apparently most believed they were the only ones to survive:
--Callista (in the Eye of Palpatine's computer system)
--Empatojayos Brand (Ganathan system)
--Ikrit (hibernation on Yavin 4 from centuries pre-BBY to 22 ABY)
--Obi-Wan Kenobi (Tatooine)
--Ood Bnar (hibernation on Ossus from 4000 BBY to Dark Empire II)
--Quinlan Vos (maybe?)
--Qu Rahn
--"The Dark Woman" (fifth planet of Cophrigin system)
--Valin "Hal Horn" Halcyon (Corellia)
--Vergere (with Yuuzhan Vong from 29 BBY to NJO)
--Vima-Da-Boda (Nar Shaddaa, Kessel, others)
--Ylenic It'kla (Alderaan)
--Yoda (Dagobah)
Then some survived but were subverted by the Empire:
--Jerec (Dark Jedi)
--Kam Solusar (Dark Jedi, later returned to the light Jedi under Luke Skywalker)
--Roganda Ismaren (Emperor's Hand)
Also, not all the Jedi were wiped out immediately during ROTS. It probably took years to track them all down. Fertile plot fodder for EU and the TV series.
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I love entertaining the thought that several jedi went into hiding. It's what what the Star Wars saga is about, reading between the episodes and imagining what happened between them.
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No doubt Anton...
Qu Rahn's my favorite... He discovers Kyle Katarn, befriends his father Morgan... Dies tragically after the battle of Endor though, and that just sorta sucks.
He's a guy a few adventures should be written about or a prequal type game to Jedi Knight should be made about... Maybe how Rahn escapes and goes into hiding even. I'd take that game right quick.
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Not sure if this belongs here, but since we're talking about Jedi going into hiding.... We were watching ANH last night and something so simple struck me. If Obi-Wan was in exile why did he continue to wear his Jedi Robes? Are they not a dead giveaway? I have not read much EU but wasn't there a bounty placed on any remaining Jedi? I always felt that a Jedi's robe was tantamount to a Priest's collar -- it is universally (gallactically? ;) recognized. "Someone here to see you honey, Jedi, by the looks of him"
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The thing I noticed with Obi's Robes is that Jedi robes in general seem to be a common looking outfit. For instance, check out Uncle Owen. His outfit is really not terribly off from a Jedi's...
Luke's shirt's very "Jedi-ish" too...
Throughout Mos Eisley, there's a lot of random people that wear robes that look a lot like a Jedi's, at least to me they do. Maybe those robes are just what people with a little less cash tend to wear?
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True -- the robes do seem to be pretty common attire. I didn't see the forest for the treest :) But what, then, sets a Jedi apart in appearance (other than the lightsaber?) What makes them so easily recognizable? Their lightsabers aren't always apparent, are they? It seems more common in the PT for Jedi to wear the robes while everyone else wears more fashionable attire.
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I dunno. In Episode I, Qui-Gon goes relatively undetected for the most part until Ani spots the saber... The Poncho was not much of a disguise, so perhaps that's just the "style" some people choose while others have Solo-ish outfits, and others like the "flightsuit" look? It seems fashion's about as diverse as the # of different species in the galaxy.
This could be some pro's in the argument that Jedi survive and are able to go into hiding. The Empire maybe institutes stricter means of identification... Somewhat (to draw the Nazi parallel) like the Nazi Party's strict ID checks and such, and the need for any person to offer up ID at any point it is requested. It adds an interesting variable to the Empire's growth.
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Thanks for the insight!
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Hey! we can't mention that word on here. My grandfather was one and he did'nt
have a choice and was killed because of it-so I'm not proud of it and don't wanna see it mentioned-(see the dafoo incident)
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Just an FYI Slothus,
"Nazi" is a word we take on a case-by-case issue.
If someone is using it to describe the Nazi party/regime in Germany (as Jesse has in his post) as a historical reference AND it's in good taste, that is OK.
If someone uses it as a deragotory term (ie, something like "Figure Nazi") or uses it to defame someone (ie, "don't be such a Nazi"), it WILL be edited or removed if it is brought to the staff's attention.
And that's all we have to say on that issue.
Jeff
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Hey! we can't mention that word on here. My grandfather was one and he did'nt
have a choice and was killed because of it-so I'm not proud of it and don't wanna see it mentioned-(see the dafoo incident)
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Just an FYI Slothus,
"Nazi" is a word we take on a case-by-case issue.
If someone is using it to describe the Nazi party/regime in Germany (as Jesse has in his post) as a historical reference AND it's in good taste, that is OK.
If someone uses it as a deragotory term (ie, something like "Figure Nazi") or uses it to defame someone (ie, "don't be such a Nazi"), it WILL be edited or removed if it is brought to the staff's attention.
And that's all we have to say on that issue.
Jeff
Yeah, and just so there's no confusion, I had mentioned to Jon before that that word isn't allowed here. But I should've specified in such a manner like Jeff just did. There's the occasional analogies that use Nazis in a historical reference type of context that are generally OK. I know there's been a number of comparisons between the Nazi army and the Empire in the OT, with uniforms/ranks and whatnot. That type of usage is fine, and I should've mentioned that before. That just doesn't pop up too often here, whereas the more deragotory use of the term does (even in a joking manner) sometimes does, so that's what I was actually addressing a couple weeks ago when we discussed that. Sorry for the confusion...
Now back to the topic at hand please! ;)
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One of the Visual Dictionaries mentions that the traditional Jedi robes are similar to those worn by common people across the galaxy. On Tatooine, look no further than Uncle Owen's robes.
But such modest attire is unusual on Coruscant (home of military uniforms, ludicrous senatorial getups, etc.), and I imagine this is why during the prequel era they tended to stand out in the crowd. Not to mention with Jedi frequently out and about and seen on news broadcasts, folks like the waitress droid would be more likely to recognize Jedi robes.
While it seems most Jedi favor some variation on the bathrobes, the colors and styles vary, and some even opt for flightsuits or Aayla-type catsuits.
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I thought I recalled reading that in one VD too Valin... Cool.
I think even on Coruscant, among the "common folk" you'd see a lot of Jedi-Esque outfits too. Though you could also see the pants and shirt deal too like Han since that's not the most elaborate set of duds either... I'd expect pretty vast and varied styles of dress. The Jedi outfit looks like something a poor man may wear though and it seems the galaxy's teeming with poor...
Though look at Ani/Padme in their disguises to leave Coruscant... Refugees in some interesting garb there. :-\
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....Or Luke's badass tight fitting black(sithlike) suit with cape/hood.... ::)
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From the Episode I Visual Dictionary, page 15:
"Jedi robes are virtually indistinguishable from the simple robes worn by many species throughout the galaxy. This signifies the Jedi pledge to the service and protection of even the most humble galactic citizen."