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Offline CHEWIE

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Re: Insomnia = Hell
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2005, 10:09 PM »
Thanks guys.  I think my problem might be, is there are only 24 hours in a day and I wish there were more?

I appreciate all of the kind words and suggestions.  I really hope this is a problem that I can get over soon.  It's just not easy.  Even with the medicine I am still having trouble.  It might be time to see a specialist or even a psychiatrist.

Famine, I'll send you a PM.   ;)

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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2005, 12:50 AM »
Thanks guys.  I think my problem might be, is there are only 24 hours in a day and I wish there were more?

Wow, ain't that the truth?  I bet we could all benefit from that.   ;)

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Re: Insomnia = Hell
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2005, 12:08 PM »
Thanks guys.  I think my problem might be, is there are only 24 hours in a day and I wish there were more?

I appreciate all of the kind words and suggestions.  I really hope this is a problem that I can get over soon.  It's just not easy.  Even with the medicine I am still having trouble.  It might be time to see a specialist or even a psychiatrist.

CHEWIE, go see a psychologist. A psychiatrist will just throw some medication at your problem, while a psychologist will help you deal with any problems that may be below the surface without the meds. You'll feel much better confronting your problems than you will by medicating them. Sometimes its just stuff that you need to be able to process and get past, and the mind is trying to get you to deal with the stuff.

If it ends up not working out, you can always go to a psychiatrist and get some meds, but at least you'll know you tried to solve the problem without their overpriced designer drug ****.
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2005, 01:08 PM »
You're probably right Ed.  A psychiatrist would probably tell me I'm a manic depressant.  I'm not feeling depressed or down at all.  Never have my entire life.   :)

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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2005, 02:28 PM »
I'm seconding what LTS said: In your situation, a psychologist is the right way to go.  One of my main gripes with psychiatry is that there is a focus on medication being the "miracle cure" for any problem out there.  On the other hand, in some cases, just psychological counseling without medication management does not work either. 

In an insomnia-related situation, you have already gone to a doctor and received sleeping pills.  I will echo what I said in that PM last week by saying again: be very careful when taking the pills and be sure to inform your doctor if there are any changes.  Your GP should be the person you talk to about the physical side of your insomnia; the psychologist/counselor, if you choose to see one, should only deal with the mental side of the problem.

If you do decide to see a psychologist, I want to tell you up front that you should probably not let the initial session be a deciding factor in whether or not you want to continue psychological treatment.  A lot of people will go to one therapist for one session and say, "Well that did me no good" and leave and never go back.  You're more than likely not going to find the "right" therapist on the first try, either due to your own expectations of treatment (which any good therapist will lay out from the get-go and make you an active part of where you want treatment to go) or their methods (Traditional Psychoanalysis would not be the type of therapy to seek out) or just how you feel with the person.  The first session will probably be a "get to know you" type of thing but you should, above all else, let the psychologist know what you want to accomplish at the very beginning. 

As Lando said, 90% of psychiatrists will just throw some meds at you (often times switching them around on a regular basis until they find "what works") and charge you a bunch of money.  This is not to say that they are not good doctors and fine clinicians, but a psychiatrist's job isn't to sit and listen to your problems for an hour; that's a psychologist's job.  As you already see a doctor for the medication management aspect of the insomnia, seeing a psychiatrist would simply be a waste of your time and money.

And one other thing about counseling that I feel a lot of people take the wrong way is this: Psychologists do not solve your problems for you.  Only you can solve your problems, and psychologists and counselors are there to help you do so.  I'm not of the school of thought that says the client should control where everything is going and the counselor should be a passive observer (I prefer an approach that is cognitive behavioral in many respects, where the counselor is direct and the client has to work to better their situation instead of just letting them sit there).  It is going to be hard work and you might come face to face with some truths you hadn't considered, but for the majority of people who stick with it and give it a chance (Woody Allen excepted; I think he just likes the attention), psychological counseling/therapy is beneficial and can help you come to grips with problems that have bothered/are bothering you.

Oh, and Tom Cruise is a ******* lunatic scumbag who is basing all his arguments on erroneous information supplied to him by his now dead "master" who was disbarred from the AMA and APA for falsifying and exaggerating research in published articles in peer reviewed journals.  So, whenever you see Cruise or Travolta or Kirstie Alley on television talking about how psychiatry and psychology are evil, just know that they're doing it because their lord and savior held a grudge for being revealed as a fraud.

But regardless, Chewie, if you have any questions about any of this, or if you just want some honest and unbiased feedback, feel free to PM me.

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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2005, 09:02 PM »
Thanks DP.  I really appreciate your concern for my well being.  Seriously.

I hope I haven't come across as a nut case to you or anyone else here.  Just have a slight sleeping problem that may or may not be related to stress, and for the first time in my life I'm taking my health seriously.

Everyone in my immediate family has been diagnosed with depression and anxiety.  Hopefully I'm just the guy that wants to do more in a 24 hour day than is possible, and because of that I have a hard time going to sleep.

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2005, 09:35 PM »
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I hope I haven't come across as a nut case to you or anyone else here.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but as far as I go, that thought has never entered my mind, and if someone else thought that, I'd be really disappointed in them. 

The simple fact that you are taking steps to find out what the problem is and attempt to treat and/or solve it is very admirable and I only wish that more people would take that kind of initiative when they experience health problems of either the physical or mental type.  Asking questions about something you want to know more about is never anything to feel bad about, so if you have any questions at all once you figure out exactly what you want to do, please feel free to PM me.

But above all, I do hope that you are able to figure out what is causing you the sleep problems and that things look up for you soon.  :)

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2005, 11:15 PM »
I hope I haven't come across as a nut case to you or anyone else here. 

The only thing about you that I think is crazy is your crazy customizing skill!.  Ok that was cheesey as hell, but you get my drift  ;)
The scariest thing that I've ever seen,
Is the terrible AT-AT walking machine.
It's as big as a house on walking legs,
and whatever it steps on it crushes like eggs.

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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2005, 10:18 AM »
I hope I haven't come across as a nut case to you or anyone else here. 

The only thing about you that I think is crazy is your crazy customizing skill!.  Ok that was cheesey as hell, but you get my drift  ;)

Hey, that's ok if it's cheesy.  I like cheese.   :D

Your customizing skill is way beyond my meager talents Greg!

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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2005, 11:58 PM »
Your customizing skill is way beyond my meager talents Greg!

Ummm, I'm not trying to be modest or anything, but there is no way that I can match this:


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and whatever it steps on it crushes like eggs.

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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2005, 02:33 AM »
Thanks for the compliment Greg, but there's a ton of work that you've done that I can't come close to.

Well, unfortunately I am up typing right now because I can't sleep.  I laid down early tonight, but to no avail.  So at 11:00 I went to Walmart on a toy run.  Got home, laid back down; tons of things running through my head. 

I tried to sleep without taking my prescription tonight, but that didn't work.  Unbelievable.  I just took it.  Hopefully in the next hour or so I can fall asleep.

And I made an appointment to see my personal doctor for Thursday. 

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Re: Insomnia = Hell
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2005, 12:44 AM »
Check your PM's Chewie :) 

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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2005, 10:08 AM »
Thanks for the PM Loopy_Leia, what you said was very nice and thoughful.  I sent you one too.   ;)

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« Reply #28 on: August 3, 2005, 10:28 AM »
Wow, I've had 6 different people from here PM me regarding this.  I really appreciate all of the kind words everyone.  Everyone here is so thoughtful and caring.  Yet another reason this is the best forum around.

Anyways, I've slept a little better the past couple of nights.  I do have a doctor's appt. tomorrow afternoon.

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« Reply #29 on: August 5, 2005, 11:01 AM »
Finally had my appointment with the doctor yesterday.  I had a routine physical done (chickened out on the bloodwork though) and they said that physically, I'm in perfect health.

They did say that I have chronic insomnia however.  Starting today I am going to be on Lunestra for 6 months, and take it from there.  I also have to cut caffeine out of my diet after 2pm each day.

Last night was another tough night sleeping, but hopefully that will change starting tonight.

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