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Title: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Hemish on April 30, 2005, 02:25 AM
here (http://viewaskew.com/news/sith/)
Sounds good
Can't wait now less than 3 weeks
Title: Re: ROTS review
Post by: Ben on April 30, 2005, 02:33 AM
I want to read it, but I'm trying to stay away from the plot.

It's driving me mad.
Title: Re: ROTS review
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on May 19, 2005, 04:01 AM
I'll try to keep it spoiler free
oh where to begin. words escape me, I am so emotionally drained.  not because it's over, because, in my opinion, this was a very emotional movie. moreso than I imagined.
The first third to half is a lot of cool action, the opening space battle and rescue is more than I imagined. Great visual effects as the camera zoomed, dove, dipped and twirled with anakin and obi's ships. the drama and tension worked well, I thought.
the lightsaber fights were like nothing we've ever seen.
I thought that the interaction between anakin and obi-wan was well done. the dialogue was much better,  but there were still some cheesy lines here and there but nothing too distracting.
the interaction between anakin and padme was also much better, I got the sense they really loved eachother yet chafed at having to keep it secret.
Ian Mcdirmid should get best actor, his delivery was awesome, plaintive when he wanted to appear mild and thouroughly menacing when he got his evil on.
Ewan was great as well, I thought he finally got into the role, totally becomg Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Hayden and Nat did very good jobs. most of the dialoge was good wih only a few cringe inducing lines but light years better than ep1 and 2.
But the last third of this movie made me choke up several times. Now I am kinda wimpy and sentimental but man, does it get emotional and very intense.
I walked out very sad, when it was over.
I need to see it again and thanks to a sound system that cut out right as Vader rises on his medical bed to where C-3p0 is on a certain ship - about 5 or so minutes WE HAD NO SOUND!!!!
So I get a fre pass to see it again. :)
The wookies were cool but not in it as much as I had hoped.
Yoda is the MAN or frog or whatever he is.
Grevious is good, he's BIG, and way cooler than maul was. So I'm happy with him.
The CLones are cool - at first and I like how they were done.
But due to the graphic and intense final third of the movie, I will not take my son to see it. That's just my perogitive and I won't judge parents who do take their young (under 10 is right) children.
What akain does, seen and implied in the jedi temple; how he decided to join the dark side; how palpatine has been manipulating things for a VERY long time and how he KNOWS the buttons to push on anakain - you almost feel sorry  him, Palps is one evil SOB.
 I saw many of the little easter eggs, which will be discussed once more people report in.
I drove home in slience, no radio, no star wars music, just alone with my thoughts on the movies.
WHew. I recomment it totally but be prepared.
8 outta 10 galactic stars.
Title: Re: ROTS review
Post by: Cory Chaos on May 19, 2005, 05:05 AM
I took in "Star Wars: Episode 3 - Revenge of the Sith" this evening. The overall experience was sheer fun. I strolled in at 8:00 PM, was ushered almost directly into the theatre where Alison and I got seats dead center, bullseye in the stadium seating. Best seats in the house, no doubt.

The opening crawl rolled up to thunderous applause, and from that point on, we all knew it was the beginning of the end. Episode 3's opening dogfight sequence was simply awesome. The CGI ships and atmosphere looked more polished than ever, provided a nice segway from the "Clone Wars" micro-series, with the easy going camaraderie between Anakin and Obi Wan ever present. A welcome change from the smug, wooden, emotional robot Hayden Christensen played in the previous installment. From that point on, I knew I was going to be pleasantly surprised with the film. He executed his heel turn to near perfection, save the trance-like dialogue between he and Palps in his office.

What Lucas achieved in the script of Episode 3 is exactly what the previous 2 episodes were missing, that being the casual nature of the dialogue. Too often we were subjected to regal, stale, monotone diatribes and corny, prim and proper sounding quips. This time around, the character interaction was more believable, less contrived and trivial, and you felt as if they actually known one another for quite some time. In addition, he maintained a great pace with the storyline. Never abandoning one segment for too long, it all pieced together quite nicely, all eventually focusing righ back onto Anakin, the beef of the film.

Ian McDiarmid headed up the overall acting revival that was so sorely missed over the past 6 years in the franchise. This was a personal film, one with actual relevance and meaning to Star Wars lore, not filler. McDiarmid actually taking his dialogue and running with it, showing Palpatine for what we all knew he was. IMO, it was Christensen story to mold, but McDiarmid's movie through and through. Hayden, dropping his prowess for playing an angry, angst ridden, wooden Anakin, in its place, a dark and brooding soon to be Vader..with true emotion! Honorable mention to the staples in Kenobi and Amidala, but absolutely no kudos to the one man who blew his once chance at redemption in Samuel L. Jackson. Even Jar Jar, who was on screen only twice, was more welcome than he.

That said, there were some instances that seemed a little less than inspired, and were more for the sake of fulfilling a bridging of the final episode and the Original Trilogy. Kashyyk was introduced, along with Chewbacca, neither of which really held no relevance. Very minimal nods to otherwise important characters such as Tarkin and Antilles were appreciated, but somewhat forgot when Padme's ultimate demise is described as merely "losing the will to live". The birth of Vader seemed extremely rushed, and tarnished the lore of how Vader came to be, having been condensed to a 15 second building scene, after which he's seen clumsly stumbling to his feet, followed by a cartoonish bellow, which made me just shake my head in disapproval.

While there were some missed opportunities, and some nonchalant tie-in's, which seemed obligatory at best, overall, it was a very entertaining movie, which finally improved on the mistakes of its precursors. Lucas delivered a much more mature film, overall. It was witty as the original, scripted and delivered with ease, no contention, the action sequences were polished, and the battles were wholly engaging. It was promoted as dark and sinister, and that's what it was.

After 1 of 3 scheduled viewings, I'm giving ROTS a 7/10. Big ups for finally writing a flowing script, motivating the players, and remembering the true motivation for this new trilogy. Docking points for the gigantic, enormous, Mack truck sized plot hole in the fact that Anakin's turn to the dark side was to learn how to save Padme from dying, of which he never asked how, never trained to do so, never expressed interest in doing, and factually almost killed her himself.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Pete_Fett on May 19, 2005, 08:57 AM
I liked this movie a lot - I would say that it ranks up in the top two of the six movie Saga. In fact, in terms of strengthening EPs 4, 5 & 6 it does that nicely.

The effects were amazing. The acting was a HUGE improvement over either of the previous two prequels. Hayden and Ian both did great jobs. The movie was extremely emotional in the last third so when it was over it what finally sunk in for me was "that's all folks" and I was left with a twinge of sadness felt both for the characters but also the end of the SW movie franchise.

As I drove home, I did start to bemoan the fact that the movie didn't contain so many of the nicer parts of the book and/or comic-book.

While I don't know whether or not some of these issues are addressed in the "longer" digital version, it was a shame to NOT see some things included:

1) Where was Qui-Gon? Lucas couldn't even get Liam to record some new lines?
2) We've been given figures of both Shaak Ti and Bariss Offee - where were they?
3) Even the boy behind me (who seemed to know A LOT about Star Wars, which was cool to hear) - was like "why didn't we see Yoda land on Dagobah?"
4) Where was Mon Monthma? or the rest of the Senators who start the rebellion? Where was Bail's line to Yoda and Obi-Wan that basically says, "do not believe what you hear we say on the senate floor?"
5) Lots of little lines here and there which were in the comic and I presume also in the original screen-play, but not in the final edit. Like when Obi-Wan is saying the last few lines to Anakin and says (in the comic) "I love you....but I will not help you" - to me even having dialogue like that would have made the move all that more powerful.

So like I said, I still think it was a great movie, but for me at least, I had read all of the material and in a way, I had definitely ruined the movie for myself - I envy any of you out there who had stayed away from as many spoilers as possible.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: speedermike on May 19, 2005, 09:39 AM
"The birth of Vader seemed extremely rushed, and tarnished the lore of how Vader came to be, having been condensed to a 15 second building scene..."

Wow.  I saw the whole movie as being the birth of Vader.  The point was that Vader was not the suit, but a guy who made some lousy, selfish choices.

Overall?  I loved it.  It really, really sucked me in. Finallly a prequesl film that I won't have to defend all summer!

Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: jokabofe on May 19, 2005, 09:39 AM
I wasn't going to post this, but what the hell....

Arriving at the theater at around 10pm, we found that it as already about 60% full. We had to sit kind of up in a corner, next to a family of seven (!!), including 4 children who couldn't have been older than 8 - 10 years old at the most. Why bring such small children to Midnight Movie showing? For the first hour of waiting, the children did nothing but scream, and run around in circles, while the father (I'm guessing he was the father, at least) did nothing but curse and complain to the wife (again, just a guess) about the place they were sitting in and the fact that he did not want to stay. At around 11pm, they all got up and walked out. I don't know where they went, and I didn't care, I was just happy to see them leave. But this isn't about the other people in the theater, is it?

As the opening crawl started, I was sitting in my chair, reading and thinking about the past movies. Thinking about how much fun they were, and how much I had enjoyed them. Well, most of them, anyway. Except for the one. Anyway... as the film opened, and we see the huge space battle taking place, I could tell something was... different. Anakin and Obi-Wan laughing and joking? What? Laughing and joking while fighting a huge battle? What was this? I didn't really get it, and thought it was kind of out of place. I know that it was trying to show how the relationship between the two had grown and become such a bond, but seriously... joking at a time like that? Strike one...

And from there - it just kept spiraling downwards. Farther and farther. I don't even know where to start, and I sure as hell can't remember everything in order, so I'm just going to type out some random thoughts as they come to mind.

Ian McDiarmid/Palpatine/Sidious: should win an award for biggest ass on screen. He was somehow able to turn the most evil, vile villain in the entire Trilogy into a freaking clown. Saying his acting job was "over the top" would be an understatement. He belongs in the next Dumb and Dumbererer movie alongside Jim Carey after this performance. Very, very sad.

Droid voices: WTF? When did the droids turn into Abbott & Costello? Every time one of the droids made a sound, I couldn't help but laugh. The droid voices and dialog through the first two films didn't sound like this, why start now?

Obi-Wans Boga (or whatever that thing was): again, WTF? Why waste time with this ridiculous beast, and the annoying stupid noise that it made... was that the best they could come up with?

Wookies, Clones: where were they? I would have to say that I was most disappointed by this. The biggest thing I read about was how we were going to see Kashyyk, which we did. For about 30 seconds. Another wasted opportunity in my opinion. And Chewbacca? Again, why make the big deal about making the distinction that Chewie is in this movie, when all he does is pick up Yoda and walk away?

Darth Vader = Frankenstein? Just when I thought it couldn't possibly get any worse, it did. After Sidious tells Vader that he killed Padme, he breaks free of the medical table, takes two stumbling awkward steps away from it, raises his clenched fists and yells in a fit of rage. If I was James Earl Jones, I would have flat out refused to do the voice over for that.

Anyway, I've got a ton of other disappointing things to say, but I fear that I've already said enough. I don't know if my expectations were just so high to see this movie, or what, but I left the theater with my head hung pretty low. I would give it about a 4 out of 10 stars, and rank it in the #5 spot:

1) Empire Strikes Back
2) A New Hope
3) Attack of the Clones
4) Return of the Jedi
5) Revenge of the Sith
6) The Phantom Menace
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: jadesfire on May 19, 2005, 09:41 AM
I loved it.  It really, really sucked me in. Finallly a prequesl film that I won't have to defend all summer!


That about sums it up for me.  Short, sweet and to the point. 
This really was the one I was waiting for (out of the three prequels).  Empire will always be my favorite though.


Below is the review I had sent to our local paper at 3:00 am since they need it by 8:00.  It's not as detailed as it could be but I was trying to keep it spoiler free:

My review of Revenge of the Sith (spoiler free)


This really was the one Star Wars fans were waiting for!!  From beginning to end, Lucas kept the audience enthralled in the downward spiral of Anakin Skywalker.  The beginning starts out with a spectacular battle and goes straight in to the loyalty between Anakin and Obi-wan and how Palpatine starts to slowly turn Anakin to his next apprentice.  The light moments in the beginning (who knew R2-D2 had so many neat gadgets) draw you in to how hard it is for Obi-Wan to accept what Anakin does in the end.  The light saber battles were each spectacular (but I was hoping Mace and Palpatine’s would have been longer) with the finale between Anakin and Obi-Wan so intense, I couldn’t follow the swirling of the sabers all the way through.  How Vader finally receives his suit and the contrasting scenes with Padme were really tied in together well and John Williams score throughout the movie was probably his best yet.  You can hear Luke and Leia’s theme and, combined with the last few scenes, really flow right into Episode IV, A New Hope.

All in all, it was the best of the three prequels and if you want to see a special cameo by George Lucas himself, look for the blue faced man on the bottom left of the screen when Anakin is going to see Chancellor Palpatine at the opera house.

Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Xander on May 19, 2005, 09:42 AM
OK, just a quick rundown -

First thing I said: "I wanna see it again!"

I sat with some local collectors (actually GH contributors) down near the front, on the walking aisle that separates front seats from stadium seat. Perfect for me.

I noticed right off the look of the movie - its much more classic cinematic looking, a bit darker, deeper tones, and the lighting has just improved immensely. All the actors/actresses look better too! I was trying to pick out what was missing from the book (during the first part at least), and the movie zipped right along and included so much of the good parts of the book (not all the best dialogue, but that's expected.) Dialogue in general was MUCH smoother than Ep. 1 and 2, meaning some was great, and there were only a few groaners (The things he makes Padme say, sometimes unconscienable).

Acting - finally these people were allowed to act. As Cine pointed out above, Ian McDiarmid was just perfect. Impecable mastery of the dialogue, and he seemed to be able to take it beyond just Palpatine's gift for language. I never expected this in a Star Wars movie. Ewan did a fine a job, and Hayden did more with less dialogue. The movie as a whole seemed more "cinematic" in that respect. Many times the characters did not speak, and simply told the story by expression, or simple gesture. There were more shots of detail, for instance the clones' feet as they were preparing. Montage type shots that seemed to be missing from Ep 1 and 2.

I didn't think all the scenes had great significance, but I was never waiting for a scene to be over in this one.

I found the funeral scene well done.

The rest of the ending, of course, being a fan, that could have gone on much longer, but I was pleased with the choices he made.

Next viewing - Friday.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Morgbug on May 19, 2005, 02:10 PM
I'm ok with the movie.  It wasn't great, spectacular, fantastic but I thoroughly enjoyed it.  I'd suggest my expectations were maybe a little lower than most peoples.  I also didn't read the book beforehand because I've seldom, if ever, found a book that has been outdone by a motion picture, simply because there isn't ample time for plot subtleties in a movie. 

I can't say I'm surprised by the people that were disappointed either.  I don't disagree necessarily, but at the same time I think many of us presumed too many of the details that didn't show up, if only because the promotional material led us to believe they'd be more important.

Kashyyk and the wookies were sort of a let down, but at the same time, it was a single battle in a huge war, so spending tremendous time on it would have served what purpose?  I know it may be a touch of blasphemy, but I was fine with the limited screen time of Chewie.  Outside of enjoying the character, I really don't know what more time would have accomplished for the movie. 

The same can be said of Tarkin, but did we know he'd have lines?  Oh, and where was Mon Mothma?  Is this the first action figure for a character that was scripted into the film but not actually shown?  Gee, I wonder how the sales of that figure will be now.  I suppose she was in there, but I missed a fair bit with mister twitchy foot behind me >:( ::)

The Droid dialogue was a bit odd at times, but seeing R2 take out a couple of SBD's certainly indicated the hard core geeks in the crowd that applauded at that point :-\  Not surprisingly they were the guys in front of us that grew from 3 people in line to over 15 and then bitched when one of their friends that showed up at 11:45 couldn't sit with them and didn't have a good seat.  Morons.  Anyway.... a lot of the humour did feel forced, as did some of the dialogue. 

I basically just enjoyed the movie for what it was.  There's no way Lucas could win here.  A movie filled with lightsaber battles would please some, but the cost would be plot development, a major complaint from the preceding two movies.  I thought it was a not unreasonable balance of the two, seeming to me more action than dialogue. 

For the most part I'll agree with jokabofe here and his Frankenstein analogy?  Was that intentional, to draw that comparison, because it immediately was brought to mind?  I didn't mind the limited Vader in costume screen time, I knew it was coming and that aspect of Vader is part of the OT.  I'm inclined to agree with speedermike, the whole PT was the birth of Vader, the costume is secondary to this particular aspect.  I think Anakin/Vader was amply evil without the big, black costume in slaughtering the children. 

As an aside, I've already read any number of complaints that people have about not seeing children/padawans/younglings actually physically murdered on the screen :o  Shake your head folks, it's not a slasher flick.  And please don't move into my neighbourhood, I don't really like your sense of visual entertainment.

I'm reluctant to rank it just yet.  There's so much I missed by being overwhelmed (I didn't see the Falcon) that I'll need to see it a few more times.  There are parts that will remain annoying, but I did enjoy the movie.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Nathan on May 19, 2005, 04:11 PM
Holy crap ... ROTS KICKED MY ASS This thing is amazing. I liked Episodes I and II, but III is so far beyond my expectations that it makes the last two look like **** in comparison.

A couple of things stand out: John Williams' score and the acting. Natalie Portman's performance is so much better than in the last two that it's like watching a completely different actress.

Now, I freely admit the film is not perfect--the Frankenvader bit comes to mind, as well as a couple bits of clunky dialogue and most of the Super Battle Droid scenes. I was also disappointed with how little screen time there was on Kashyyk, particularly after the huge buildup of hype around them. But on the whole I think this is an improvement over the last two on every level.

The only downside: five minutes from the end (the scene where certain people are on the bridge of a ship), the film melted. The film ******* MELTED. You could literally see the filmstock bubbling away. After twenty minutes or so they got it running again so we saw the last couple scenes, but by then the dramatic tension was utterly ruined and the moment had passed. &$&%#@#&**&!!1  >:(

The odd thing is, apparently this happened on the other screens as well.

A more coherent and in-depth review is forthcoming after I see it a couple more times.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Herbert_Ackermans on May 19, 2005, 04:20 PM
Well, here goes...

Ever since the trailer I thought this was going to be a very good movie, I read spoilers that made me feel convinced it was going to be good, the soundtrack sounded great in many numbers.

The opening battle blew me away, it was impressive, it was awesome, it was breathtaking.

The rescue, the Dooku-cameo (oh, and don't say it was more than that!) that all looked good, the first steps of Anakin to Un-Jedi dealings, Palpatine playing him, well done.

And then... it all falls flat on it's face.

Palpatine becomes some demented cackling clown. Making weird faces, the long drawn out talks with Anakin, who in those talks seems utterly dim-witted to not understand who he is talking to.

The first Padmé Anakin scene was good, subsequent ones sank deeper and deeper away.

This is also the first time I think Ewan McGregor delivered a bad job in acting, or he'd been given a bad job to act. Man... if he really thought of Anakin as a brother to love, how can he just sit there, almost smirking, gloating in the council while Anakin suffers humiliation?

As said before, Wookiees... what wookiees? What was the hoopla with Wookiees? What was all that fuss about, why was a whole webdoc devoted to Wookiees who we don't even see long enough worth mentioning?

The lightsabre battles, yeah well... I'd take them a lot slower and with more bantering vocally, thank you very much.

The final sabre fight was pittiful, I was expecting something epic, something groundbreaking, something deeply impressive, but what we got was just 2 guys battling it out and ending it in the cheesiest way possible, the end was plain stupid.

And why did they even cast someone to play Tarkin? Did you see him? No? Guess you blinked at that moment.

I still don't see Anakin inside Darth Vader's armour. Darth Vader is not a person who sheds tears, Vader is not someone who goes to pieces and trashes a room having a fit.

Oh, and thanks Ben Burt, you've successfully massacred the soundtrack with your overwhelming genius in sound-editing, well done. NOT!

I hadn't even missed Mon Mothma until reading about her here again, what the hell happened to her role?

I get the feeling that ROTS was a rush-job, despite all the time taken. Well, seems most has been put, once more, in making fancy SFX.

AT-TE's, AT-RT's, AT-PT, Turbotanks, all thrown in with the idea "we had that in the first trilogy, just tuck 'm in and we get that old school feeling again." They didn't work. There were plenty of easter eggs back to the OT:

- The walking sound of the AT-PT is exactly the same as that of the Scoutwalker
- The howling siren on Mustafar, also heard in AOTC, is the same as in TESB when the 2 ISD's collide
- The hatch Yoda drops down from is exactly the same as the one Lando takes Luke down from in TESB-SE.
- Several lines:"Lock S-Foils in attack position" or "There's too many of them", also Obi-Wan's "Hello there" and Palpatine's "Good, good" were all quite explicit links to the OT.

I really had great expectations of this one, reading several reviews from charity screening I thought I was going to see the second best SW-movie.

When the end credits rolled, I couldn't help feeling cheated, I was in no way moved by anything that happened, the killing of the younglings.

Oh, and if Ewan's idea of playing a man who is breaking down consists of cupping his chin... well... that didn't quite cut it, did it?

They promised us a movie to answer all answers and tie up all the loose ends.

I think that we are left with more loose ends than we had before.

A very, very disappointing closure to a very, very dissappointing prequel trilogy to one of, if not THE, greatest trilogy of movies ever.

What a waste of energy, time, resources...
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: JayDouble on May 19, 2005, 04:37 PM
(Spoilers)

Let me preface these comments by saying I read the book first.

I saw the movie last night and.....I really don't know what to write.  My thoughts are actually jumbled at the moment.

The movie just seems to move very fast compared to the book.  I hope he comes out with and extended version ala Peter Jackson in LOTR.  There were a lot of scenes that didn't play out from the book, which I believe would of helped or at least enjoyed watching.

My whole view on Vader has changed.  I remember watching OT and thinking "WOW, Vader is the baddest mofo in the Galaxy."  Now I realize what a tragic hero he is instead.  Went to the darkside to help Padme, but ended up killing here instead.

The one gripe I have is when Anakin does go to the dark side and Palpatine says we'll find this power together.  If I'm Anakin I'm like "WTF."  I just killed Mace and you don't have the power.  Screw you off with your head.   :P

Overall, Im very pleased with the movie.  Very entertaining and yes very emotional.  Maybe I'm just realizing that there's no more movies coming out or it's kind of an end to an era.  The only thing I can compare my feeling to is like watching a sitcom's series finale.  You watch or follow it religiously and its just over.  Feels weird.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 19, 2005, 05:25 PM
I think I'm one of (if not the) first person to stay relatively spoiler free for this film.  So now on to my review:

I thought it was great!  The characters showed more emotion and range than in the previous movies (my biggest complaint for the PT has been Lucas' strentgh is not in directing), and they played their roles well.

The story added a lot more depth the Vader's character in the OT.  When I first watched SW, Vader was just this pure evil guy.  After watching ROTS, he's a self hating tragic hero, now well into a downward spiral that will take him 20 years to pull himself out of and redeem himself.  I too sort of cringed ant the Frankenstienesque way he got off of the operating table, but I thought he would stumble a little since he's got legs he's never walked on...although the breaking the chains part I could've done without.

Jokafobe, you'd be amazed by what people in the armed forces do during combat situations.  I thought the joking banter was actually well done here.  They've been fighting this war for about 3 years according to the  timeline of the movies, and all the combat would sort of make them jaded, and hence the joking-type banter.

I think the only things I would change are show a little more about the formation of the rebellion...I was kind of suprised Mon Mothma was not in the movie at all.  I'd also would've liked to have seen Qui-Gon, possibly appearing in front of the Jedi Temple to try and stop Anakin, or appearing to Obi-Wan around the end of the Duel or on the Tantive IV when Yoda explained he found a way back.  Minor gripes, but I think they might've added that something special.

From reading the rest of your reviews so far, I'm glad I stayed away from spoilers.  Seeing as it is probably the last SW film, it was nice to be suprised.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Angry Ewok on May 19, 2005, 06:47 PM
I, too, stayed away from spoilers - and I warned my buddies that if they read too many spoilers, and read too much into all of the marketing crap - they'd expect far too much out of the movie. Sure enough, most people who were deep into the spoilers found the movie pretty disapointing.

Come on, people… you know this - the book is always better than the movie! You’re supposed to watch the movie a couple of times, and then read the book to enhance the spots where the movie was weak.

If you read the book first, you'll just notice every single gap.

I've seen the movie twice, now. And I'm still not sure what to think. I do know that I hope Lucas makes some sort of Extended Edition of this film, like Lord of the Rings had. This movie really needs another 30 minutes at least, for some of the scenes that were cut, and other scenes that need more room to breathe.

Pro's off the top of my head:

The acting and the actor's chemistry was so much better this time around - Anakin and Obi-Wan really flowed well together, finally... during their big duel you could see a resemblance in their styles - it shows that these two are used to fighting together. I really appreciated that attention to detail.

Yoda's scenes were particularly good, I never once stopped to think - hey, Yoda isn't real. He looked and sounded great. Seeing him alongside wookies (although only for a few seconds) was great, seeing him rub his brow in utter frustration (which reminded me of a particular scene of Colonel Kurtz in Apocalypse Now) was cool, seeing him take out two Royal Guards was amazing – Yoda was a real star here.

Bail's scenes were all fantastic. His scenes had me wishing he had an even larger role in the films.

Everyone's dialogue was pretty good - better than the last two films, at least. The delivery was much better, too. I enjoyed hearing some of the recycled dialogue, like Palpatine’s “Good, good!”… Obi-Wan’s “Hello there.” was perfect.

The scenes showing the executions of the Jedi were all really sad to see. I found myself hoping that at least a couple of the Jedi would have some chance at surviving. I kept hoping that we'd have some clue as to someone elses survival, besides only Yoda and Obi-Wan. Those of us who follow the EU stuff were really feeling the hurt, I think.

R2D2 had some cute/funny scenes throughout the beginning of the film.

One of  my favorite scenes is with Anakin pitching that fit in front of the council, for not being promoted to Master. Windu’s expression read something like, “Boy, if you don’t sit, I will bust your scrawny ass.”


Con's that stood out:

I really didn't like how long and drawn out the space battle was. It had to be 15 minutes long or so. Why spend 15 minutes on a space battle, and then not give more important scenes any sort of time to develop? It just seems like the priorities were a little mixed.

Anakin's decision to betray the Jedi occured far too quickly - there didn't seem to be enough inner turmoil. There didn't seem to be any real craving for power, which I thought was Anakin's major downfall. Palpatine's revelation about being a Sith Lord came too fast, too... It was just tossed out there.

There was hardly any time given to the attack on the Jedi Temple... I'd think there was quite a bit of a fight there, judging by all of the smoke rising from the temple a day or two later. Why didn't we get to see more of that? I'm not asking to see children chopped up, I'm asking to see the troopers storming the temple.

Since I've avoided spoilers, including sneak peak photos and visual guides, etc, I couldn't tell you if the Clone's outfits were all that different from AOTC... because you only see any of the background characters for about a 10th of a second. It took a second viewing to find the clones resembling the Target Exclusive clone trooper figure (they kill the Jedi on the speeder bike). It took a second viewing to see Ki Adi Mundi was killed by Clone Snowtroopers. This has been a complaint with all of the prequels, but especially for this one - It takes multiple viewings to get what's going on in these big battles.

Overall, I was disapointed with all of the big battles... because they really didn't seem epic, as they should... they were more epileptic than anything else. Swarms of "whatevers" blurring past other "whatevers" and explosions and lasers... All I can say is I cannot wait for this to be out on DVD so I'll be able to slo-mo the battles and figure out what the hell is going on.

Palpatine was pretty lame. He was a carbon copy of Gollum, especially when Mace Windu had him pinned down. He practically shreaks out, "GOLLUMMM!" at one point. Lame lame lame.

The ending was far too rushed. Obi-Wan doesn't even speak to Beru, he just plops the baby in her arms and takes off.

The absolute worse was the Frankenstein scene. What the **** was Lucas thinking? It only took a matter of moments for Anakin to be asthetically transformed into Vader... I was really hoping to see (or have implied), a long and painful operation.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Chris on May 19, 2005, 08:03 PM
Brad really sums up what I thought of this movie quite well. I just saw it for the second time and caught a few new things. I agree with every statement Brad made, and don't have anything to add to the list of good/bad. The space battle was really too long, just like the podrace in TPM. I literally fall asleep watching that whole podrace scene (and up to it). The saber battles really did not seem all that epic either, as pointed out by Brad. Not near long enough. At many points it looked like Yoda and Palpatine were not trying to destroy each other, but attack each others lightsaber. I was expecting way more out of the Mace vs. Palpatine scenes as well. It was stupid how Kit, Agen, and Saessee were killed within seconds of Palps drawing his saber. Dumb. In addition, I think that the camera angles were zoomed in too far during the Palp and Mace fight, you really only saw their faces and not overall shots like past battles. What the crap was going on with Palps voice when he was shocking Mace? "Unlimited power"?, "You will die!!"? They sounded like a constipated Gollum, indeed.

Like with the other 2 prequels, I will fast forward to the last half hour of each and be done with it. Those put together are an 1.5 hour movie that I would give a "B+" to. The movie was just long at certain parts, and far too short in others. I really was disapointed by the fighting scenes, they just didn't cut it for me.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Vator on May 19, 2005, 08:57 PM
Well of course there are things that everyone will fault about the movie! However despite it's *few*flaws, it's now my favorite out of the entire Saga.

Things I liked:

The Jedi Purge was done fantastically, I actually teared up at that point...I suppose being a Clone Wars fan makes it that much more powerful.

The Special Effects were just incredible, absoultley mind blowing.

Padme and Anakin had chemistry this time! Wooo!

Vader was absolutley freaking evil...and I actually felt sorry for Nute, although I think he should have had a better death than that, since he's been a main player in the Prequels.

I loved the Darth Plageius scenes, wow...that was McDiarmids best.

The commlink scene, that was great.


Things I didn't care for:

The droid voices really grated my nerves. What happend to the originals?

Grevious, despite being a fairly cool character, didn't have much development and had a somewhat annoying voice.

Mace didn't seem very alarmed that Palpatine was Sidious...

Music didn't fit the space battle well...the space battle was kinda odd for SW.

But despite that, I totally freaking loved it! This is what I've been waiting for. Well done Lucas, well done.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Angry Ewok on May 19, 2005, 09:09 PM
I forgot to mention that Palpatine sucked with his lightsaber...
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Hemish on May 19, 2005, 09:11 PM
Ahh god bless the maturity of the people here that can agree to dissagree.
I love this place.
Well i saw it at midnight
The initial battle was very very pretty and i got a lot of satisfaction knowing there was a lot of Temura Morrisons being killed, kinda made up for Janjo.

What was up with R2 taking Jarjars place as the comedy relief, it was strange the fans in the cinema were quiet during things like that and the casual movie goer laughed pretty hard.
I really didnt like the cough that the General had, when i mentioned this at another site it was quickly pointed out that i hadn't taken notice of the animated series were mace crushes his chest, Well i didnt see the animated second series , i only just got the first on on dvd, many of the people thaat were there hadn't seen it either and were talking about it after as well.
The first thing i noticed was that Anakins balls must have dropped cause at the start he actually sounded cool, Vaders voice was spot on the money till he yelled Noooooooooooooo, marby just a angry yell would have been better instead of the Nooooooooooooooooooooo and maybe a confrontation with palpatine would have been good aswell, you know something like you promised me the power to save her , then palpatine hands vader his ass.
Best bits in the movie.
Vaders first breath inside the mask - cool as all hell
Bail and Antilles walking through the Tantive4
purging of the jedi , very cool and disturbing all in one
Mace vs Palpatine, because it bought the mind games back into a lightsaber fight ala empire.
Owen standing on tatooine just like luke did
oh and seeing Jeremy bulloch as the tantive 4 pilot

things that should have been changed
dooku fight - too short
Anakin vs Obiwan - not enough dialogue between them in final duel
skipping things from book and graphic novels
quigons voice over
quinlan voss- i was so happy when obiwan mentoned his name i thought we'd se him.

I liked the movie enought to warrant a second veiwing and maybe the things i didn't like wont be so bad the second time round i dunno
overall i gave it a 6
it was easily the best of the 3 prequels but it's still not a patch on the original trilogy
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2005, 09:18 PM
Me and my friend Trevor whom I have known since we were in Kindergarten together went to the show this afternoon at the new local ULTRAScreen.  Trevor and I went to school together all the way through College and I was in his wedding.  At his wedding I met my wife who was their wedding singer.  We have talked SW on and off since Empire so it was a lot of fun going with him.

First of all, the presentation that I saw was phenomenal.  The ULTRAScreen is amazing, 2 times larger than most screens but the sound was what kicked my ass.  The explosions and score were amazing.  The largeness of the screen made it a bit hard to take it all in sometimes though, and I was almost wishing I was further back in the theater.  Kudos though to the movie house for putting it in right in time for ROTS

I loved it, I really did.  I've known the whole story and been spoiled rotten about the whole thing and knew what was coming but it really didn't detract at all from the movie.  The visuals and the script were both unknowns and that made for a rather pleasurable afternoon.

Two things that are bugging me about reviews I've read in newspapers and elsewhere and I guess here...the absolute trashing of TPM and AOTC when at the time of release both of which were both partly praised in Menace and generally like in Clones.  I think Clones especially is getting a rather bad rap from reviewers.  The other thing that bugs me is picking on the "stilted" dialogue.  What part of Far Far Away don't you understand?  Its a freaking movie set in another place where people speak Lucasian.  I think the acting (Portman was solid I thought) was far greater than anything so far.  Hayden and Ewan were great together and their final duel was really hard to watch

The effects were great, really great.  The clones and Yoda were amazingly real this time.  The skin of Yoda should win Rob Coleman an Oscar...he was great.  I absolutely loved the space battle.  All of that stuff going on and the look and effects of it all is amazing.  To think almost 99% of that is CGI is almost explode your head great.

I felt drained watching the second act, watching Anakin make bad choices and bad decisions.  I still feel the same about Mace as I did after reading the novelization.  He is an ass and I almost found myself wanting him dead for being/treating him the way he did

The book really fleshes out some of the things that are happening, specifically that Anakin wants to be a Master because it would grant him access to all parts of the Jedi Archives in which secrets to saving life are kept.  Also, the Jedi vs Palpatine pull is much more fleshed out and you really without a doubt know that the decision he makes really is one that he needs to.  To me, it didn't need to be abrupt now I'm evil kind of thing.  We have to know that there is still good in him and we know why he did what he did.  Its tragedy and it works I think the novel dwells too much on the first act and little with the end and so together with the film it really provides a great overall story

I agree the voice overs were bad.  Not sure why they didn't keep the same voices, it smacks of laziness.  I detested Ben "Insert Fart Noise Here" Burtt's score decisions he made, recycling of prequel stuff was poor decisions made, especially when he's done it before.  The cheesy Vader "Noooooooooo" was sort of dumb and cliched as was the Frankenstien actions but it was alright.

The duel...great
The creatures...great
The locations...great (loved Mustafar!)
Palpatine...great (except the voice weirdness after his transformation)

The immolation scene is still sticking with me, its so powerful, so well done and Ewan makes it all work so well.  I have to see it at least two more times but I may say that this one beats Empire...IMO

Signed,

Giddy as a School

 :-*
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: speedermike on May 19, 2005, 09:22 PM
"things that should have been changed...skipping things from book and graphic novels'

This type of comment always drives me nuts.  The book and the graphic novels are SPIN-OFFS of the movie.  They are crud created to make money.  The film is the first and last word.  If Lucas doesn't put it in the movie, it isn't important to the movie.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jim on May 19, 2005, 09:51 PM
I can sum my experience up with one sentence.  I wish I would of never followed any of the spoilers :-\  That was my downfall. 
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jediknight760071 on May 19, 2005, 09:56 PM
I thought ROTS was tremendous. It did exactly what it set ot to do and exceeded all my expectations. The mention of "Master Vos" really excited me, and him not dying as he did in the graphic novel got my hopes up for another Republic comic storyline.

The only criticism I have would be the death of all the Jedi...It was so short and skipped arond so much, I wasn't able to really take it all in. The temple massacre didn't effect me as mch as I believe it should have. It was quick, but other parts, IMO, cold have been shortened for this to have a larger presence in the movie.

Ah well....It was a wonderfl film. My favorite PT film by far. I got home at 3am and set ot to watch 4, 5, and 6, but didn't even make it to the Death Star. I'll hav eto see ROTS again and fix this.
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Post by: Darth Paul on May 19, 2005, 11:07 PM
By far the best of the prequels, IMO.
Had some boring/weak moments and bad acting/dialogue, but let's face it, every SW movie has those (with the exception of Empire).
Some things I liked:
Ian McDiarmid gives a truly great performance.
Yoda's fight with the Emperor absolutely rocks!
The last 45 minutes of the movie come close to the original trilogy.
The movie actually contains some genuine emotion, tears in the eyes in spots.

Overall, I'd have to give it a big thumbs up
Despite its flaws, this is the movie I've been waiting to see for 22 years 
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Bob Crane on May 19, 2005, 11:14 PM
Did anyone think it was completely out of character for Obi-Wan to abandon Ani to an agonizing, slow death? Finish him off fer christ’s sake, don’t leave him to cook like a tater-tot… Kenobi is a cruel, sadistic bastard!  >:(
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2005, 11:18 PM
Did anyone think it was completely out of character for Obi-Wan to abandon Ani to an agonizing, slow death? Finish him off fer christ’s sake, don’t leave him to cook like a tater-tot… Kenobi is a cruel, sadistic bastard!  >:(
Jedi code sort of thing I think...I don't think he wanted to kill him and he knew he had to save Padme
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Post by: Phrubruh on May 19, 2005, 11:25 PM
I thought it was definately the best of the prequals. It still doesn't touch the originals because of the lack of fun. It's just very sad and dark. Not much humor except for R2 and the SBDs.

The effects make TPM ones look like skycaptain and world of tomorrow in comparison. TPM looked cheaply done in other words. The effects in ROTS are very coloriful and detailed. For the most part they were executed well. There were a few scenes that looked unfinished but they were minor.

The acting was decent except when Padme and Anakin did the 'I love you more' talk. That scene should have been cut. There were a few places in the film that it seemed we missed a scene or two. For example when Padme started talking about a rebelion. This was because of the talk she had with Mon Mothma that was cut. The Emporer, yoda and obiwan did great. I though Palpatine turning into Sideous was a little gross as was Anakin catching on fire. But it was ok. The frankenstin monster thing was campey.

The saddest part had to be when Anakin walked into the jedi council were the younglings were hiding. They all flocked to him asking for protection and Anakin answers by lighting his lightsaber.

I saw it the second time with my wife and five year old. My five year old was board out of his mind. He kept asking when it would be over. He'd perk up during the action scenes but just wanted to take a nap during the talking. He is a big star wars fan however and loved the space battles and lightsaber fights. The rest just didn't keep his attention. I guess he does better at 90 minute Disney/pixar movies than 2 1/2 hour ones.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jediknight760071 on May 20, 2005, 12:22 AM
Did anyone think it was completely out of character for Obi-Wan to abandon Ani to an agonizing, slow death? Finish him off fer christ’s sake, don’t leave him to cook like a tater-tot… Kenobi is a cruel, sadistic bastard!  >:(
Jedi code sort of thing I think...I don't think he wanted to kill him and he knew he had to save Padme

He did tell Yoda he would not kill Anakin. Besides...Ani is a Sith by then...Despite any love for his former padawan, I'm sre the Dark Side trned Obi Wan off to any sort of life beyond Mustafar for Ani---he was too far gone already.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Darby on May 20, 2005, 12:25 AM
I don't think Obi Wan leaving Anakin is out of character at all.  Anakin murdered children.  Choked his wife.  I can go on.  He got what he deserved.

UPDATED: My review: http://terminal-optimist.blogspot.com
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: CorranHorn on May 20, 2005, 02:14 AM
I'm going to reply without reading what anyone else has written (I'll go back and read afterwards) so as not to be influenced by what anyone wrote.

I thought overall ROTS was a really good movie, not as great as the OT (then again nothing could be) but way better than TPM or AOTC. The visuals were breathtaking, you really need to see ROTS multiple times to catch all the things going on in the background during the Battle of Coruscant and Palpatine's rescue. The intrigue throughout the movie is really well played, Palpatine's influence on everyone around him, including Anakin is well done. The way Anakin turns into Vader, while not all that surprising is still very sad. He becomes the thing he hates the most because he thinks he's doing the right things to save Padme. I was shocked to know he killed the Younglings, sure he goes all evil and all, but damn that was beyond evil. And lots and lots of lightsaber duels!!! 5 of them in fact, just awesome stuff and a job well done by the actors, cg guys, and Nick Gillard. The only thing that got me with the duels was the somewhat anti-climatic ending to Obi-Wan vs Anakin. Had there not been the pause between Obi-Wan getting the high ground and him finishing off Anakin, I think it would have played out better. The betrayal of the Jedi by the Clones, while I knew it was coming, seemed sad and Yoda's reactions to the various Jedi's death should have clearly echoed those of the audience. And what about R2-D2? That little astro-droid (hah, they almost swore!  :D) was the hero of the movie, he just rocked in the first 30 minutes!

Unfortunately, there's always some negatives, though not much to really ruin the experience for me. I thought many of the scenes with Padme and Anakin still felt cheesy and pushed, especially the scene with the hair brushing. Though I thought they did a great job in their last scene together on Mustafar. If you didn't sympathize with the pained emotions in Padme's voice, you have no soul! And I've been told I have no soul, so I know what I'm talking about.  :P The only other thing that really bothered me was during the lightsaber duels there were so many darn closeups and not of the characters but of their blades. A wider shot in many cases, especially during the ObiWan/Anakin duel would have led to a more dramatic feel to them. Neither of these things made the movie a downer to me and overall I liked it a lot, 4th best Star Wars movie.... EVER!  ;D

Ok a quick addition after reading the reviews from everyone else...

I'm not sure why it was cut out, but I read that Qui-Gon Jinn was supposed to appear in ghostly form in the film. A few weeks ago, I read it as a spoiler in the newspaper in an article about Liam Neeson. So the scene may have been cut for the flow of the story, but then the whole dialogue about astral projection probably should have been cut too.
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Post by: Holographic Elvis on May 20, 2005, 03:08 AM
OK, time to chime in.  Saw it last nite at midnite and again today at Mann's Westwood (digital projection and amazing sound.)  I loved the movie, but there were flaws and things I would have liked to have seen different. 

1) The droid dialogue was absolutely pointless and did not fit at all. 

2) Too many scenes of Anakin and Padme together.  Could have cut at least 1 (maybe 2), combined a couple and used that space for other stuff pertaining to the story. 

3) I would have liked to have seen the other Jedi Masters who came to arrest Palpatine actually fight because then their deaths would have made Palpatine look far more powerul.  Mace's death was also too long. 

4) Palpatine was too cartoonish at times and it seemed like his voice pitch was changing constantly and even echoing at times. 

5) More Darth Vader at the Jedi Temple.  We know Anakin is powerful and has become evil.  Show it!  Show him taking down multiple Jedi at once.  Show him using his newfound power.

6) The Duel didn't seem as epic as advertised.  It was amazing, but could have been a bit more. 

7) For all the hype Grievous and his 4 arms got, he sure wasn't the saber master he is made out to be in the books and Clone Wars cartoon. 

8) Show Qui-Gon!!!  Have him appear over Yoda's shoulder.  That would have been great. 

9) Would have liked to have seen Tarfful and Chewy kick some ass while aiding Yoda.

10) Call Palpatine "Darth Sidious" a couple more times.  Got tired of hearing "Sith Lord."

11) Let Samuel L. act more.  Mace either seemed emotionless or brooding.  When Anakin tells him Palpatine is Sidious, be surprised man!! 

12) Spent too much time on the buzz droid scene.  Make that happen quicker and show Anakin and Obi-Wan in action during the space battle for a bit. 

13) R2-D2 as comic relief.  Why?

Well, it's late and I could go on but this is what is standing out in my head right now. 
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jim on May 20, 2005, 07:17 AM
I forgot to mention that the screening we went to was ruined before the movie started.  A couple brought there baby, around a year old.  Cried and screamed through the first half of the movie. Then they decided to take the baby out and let her roam free through the theater.  Without paying attention to the kid.  Real good parenting skills >:(  Everyone including myself kept asking them to show some respect.  The last half hour I just lost and it and yelled shut your f**kin kid up and called them disrespectful.  At which point they moved to the exit standing the last half hour with the kid still crying.  Anyone with kids out there please dont bring them.
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Post by: Herbert_Ackermans on May 20, 2005, 08:34 AM
Anakin would've been the true evil Darth Vader that he is supposed to be, had we seen him relish in his acts, show him enjoying and wallowing in his evil acts, let him use the dark side with full force, let me see how twisted and evil he became.

But not... try and pass poor Anakin of as some tragic hero, show him embracing the Dark Side completely.

I'm not sure I mentioned it earlier, but the pacing really is off on quite a lot of the later parts of the movie. Once Anakin becomes a Sith, things seem rushed.

I don't get it, first we get 2 movies that seem drawn out and just used to fill 2 episodes with non-sensical subplots and side-stories, and in this 3rd one, everything is rushed.

Darth Vader is the scourge of the Jedi, not some crying brat who goes to pieces...
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Post by: Darth Broem on May 20, 2005, 09:17 AM
Ok here I go.  I saw it last night.  I really enjoyed the movie.  I was surprised at how smoothly it ties into the next film ANH.  I was not really expecting that. 

Anyway, the opening battle scene was good IMO.  I thought we were going to get a little bit more dogfighting.  Glad we did not though that camera was starting to make me nauseated with all the spinning and dipping :)  Is there anyone that did not love the ARC pilot getting blasted out into space?! 

The droid voices did not bother me at all.  I thought the bit with R2-D2 and the Super Battle Droids were actually funny.  I laughed at them anyway.  Sorry so many others did not like that stuff.  I loved that scene where Kenobi crashes into the hanger and jumps out of the cockpit with lightsaber ignited!  I also like R2-D2's new dismount out of the Jedi Starfighter. 

I thought the thee-way battle with Dooku was much better than the AOTC duel.  Kenobi just can't solve Dooku can he?  I loved it when Anakin slices off both of Dooku's hands!  Palpatine egging Anakin on to kill Dooku was nice and subtle.  However, right after Anakin chops off the head he immediately says something like "I should not have done that.  Jedi don't do this."  The words are fine but he sounds like he just smacked a dog and is like golly gosh that's to bad I did a thing like that.  No pancakes for me.

For whatever reason Samuel L Jackson  can not deliver his lines well in this flick.  He was a disappointment in some of these scenes.   He was fine with the duel between him and Palpatine in front of the window.  But in the other scenes he is not.  Particulary when Anakin tells him Palpatine is a Sith Lord.  I was kind of disappointed with Samuel overall. 

Loved, loved, loved the opera scene with Palpatine and Anakin.  Mainly Palpatine himself explaining Darth Plaguis (sp?) and the dark side powers, Sith vs. Jedi, etc.  I loved how he told Sly Moore and the others to "leave us!" like get lost you losers.  LOL! 

I was surprised that I actually liked General Grievous.  I was a bit worried about this character.  I thought he was in it just long enough.  Others will disagree.  However, it would have been nice to have seen him take out a Jedi.  I thought his wheelbike was pretty cool actually.  I am kind of mixed about Kenobi's creature he rides on.  That still had a cartoony look and feal but not too bad I guess.  It did not bother me that much.  I was kind of left wondering how Kenobi actually got the creature.  It's like all of sudden he has it.  Maybe I went to the bathroom or something?

I was disappointed the wookie battle was not longer.  Who isn't?  I would have liked a few more scenes or extended scenes of the Jedi getting killed by the clones.  It was fine though.  I just wanted to see Aayla fight to the death instead of getting shot in the back and that was it.  I thought Stass Allie's death scene on the bike was pretty cool even though it was short.  Ki-Adi's death was ok but to short again.  Plo Koon's scene was ok.  I would have liked to have seen some of this stuff though.

The Jedi Temple stuff was pretty good to.  Again I would have liked some more of it though.  I mean the adult Jedi fighting the clones and Anakin.   The Jedi Younglings scene with Anakin was short but disturbing at the same time.  Very effective I thought.  As was Yoda and Kenobi looking at the younglings carcasses later.  Of course Anakin marching them into the Temple was cool.  However, I was hoping for the Vader theme from ESB there. 

Yes, Palpatine kills the other Jedi with Mace Windu a bit too quickly.  I blinked and missed how Kit Fisto was taken out.  Gotta like Palpatine's three twist dismount and scream at them though!  I did like Palpatine getting the force lighting shot back in his face and disfiguring him.  I liked Anakin slicing off Windu's arm.  Sam did have a good reaction to that I thought.  Palpatine getting him with the force lighting and shooting him out halfway across the city was pretty cool IMO. 

However, Palpatine talks way too long to Anakin after killing Mace.  I actually started to crack up looking at Palpatine all demented there.  LOL!  I can't remember what he was saying?  It's not too bad though especially when he names Anakin...Darth Vader. 

I liked Kenobi taking out Grievous by the blaster and saying "so uncivilized".  Nice nod to the "...an elegant weapon for a more civilized age," in ANH.  Grievous wielding the 4 sabers was good.  Again it just reinforces to me that they should have showm him mowing down a few Jedi in this manner earlier in the film. 

I actually liked the scenes between Anakin and Padme this time around.  I did not cringe at least.  There were some goofy smiles and junk like that though.  But it was ok.  The scene where she arrives at Mustafar and he describes his intentions of overthrowing Palpatine and then he and she can rule the galaxy as husband and wife was a nice nod to his intentions with Luke in ESB.  IMO at least.  I thought the choke scene was pretty good to. 

Of course the duel between Kenobi and Anakin was great IMO.  I did not care for the CGI droids that pop up towards the end of the duel.  To me it was unclear that Kenobi had sliced off three of Anakin's limbs there at the end.  I was thinking that would be a bit closer and clearer.  But overall it was good IMO.  I liked Anakin bursting into flames and basically getting melted. 

I liked Yoda taking out the Royal Guards in the manner he did in Palpatine's office.  I thought Yoda and Sidious would battle a bit more with the lightsabers.  It was ok though.  Good stuff in the senate there.  Again I wish that was a longer battle. 

I liked Palpatine finding Anakin and touching Anakin's forehead.  You almost get the sense that Palpy really does like Anakin there.  I thought we were going to see some healing magic from Palpy there but we did not.  Oh well. 

The last scenes of the movie were fun I though.  I was kind of disappointed that Sidious did not struggle during Vader's "nooooo" thing after learning he killed Padme.  Did like the construction of Vader.   Tarkin looked odd though. Death Star was decent IMO. 

I really liked the final moments on Tatooine with Luke and Beru, Owen, and Kenobi.  Puts you right into ANH. 
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Brian on May 20, 2005, 09:18 AM
My wife and I had the day off yesterday, and went and caught a 1 o'clock matinee of ROTS.  We got to the theatre (next to a mall) about 11:15, and there were already people waiting outside.  The doors opened at 11:30 and we got what I consider to be the best seats in the house...so I was happy with that.  It ended up being sold out I believe, and although we had a bit of a wait (bought some magazines to read)...we had some entertainment with some little kids re-enacting lightsaber battles at the front of the theatre.  It was pretty amusing.

Anyways, the movie.  I liked it, liked it a lot.  What many people and critics have said, this is the type of prequel movie I wanted.  Had much more of an OT feel to it than the others, but was still in the prequel era.  I really thought the opening space battle and following sequences were amazing.  I enjoyed the R2 bits as well, and those got quite a laugh in our viewing.  I thought the acting, which is always criticized in Star Wars it seems, was the best of the prequels as well.  Hayden, Natalie, and Ewan (not to mention Ian and Frank Oz/Yoda) were all very good, and Hayden in particular should break free of some of the criticisms given to him after AOTC.  I think this kid is really a heck of an actor, and I hope he doesn't get bashed as much after this performance.  To me, this movie seemed like almost non-stop action and that is a great thing.  It seemed like it just flew by, and I didn't want it to be over.  I really liked the Kashyyyk battle scenes, and wouldn't have minded seeing more of them.  I guess they aren't necessarily "intregral" to the story of Anakin descending, but they were just cool to watch.  The "Jedi purging" montage was very emotional, and it was sad to see them all going down that way.  It was neat seeing the different planets (and in some cases, different clone/stormtroopers), if only for a brief moment or two.

I thought the relationship part of the movie was much better done this time around.  I got a better feeling of Padme and Anakin caring about each other, and Obi Wan and Anakin actually having a true friendship.  I wish AOTC would have had a little more of that, and a little less of the scolding "my very young apprentice" lines.  Anyways, I thought the relationships held more meaning this time, and kept you involved emotionally.  The lightsaber battles were amazing as well.  Seeing Anakin and Obi-Wan going head to head is something we've all been looking forward to for quite some time, and to me, it didn't disappoint.  Mustafar really added to that, with the "hell" vibe to it, and great visuals accompanying the battle (ILM really need some award consideration for this movie I think).  Although not the "primary" battle, I thought the Sidious and Yoda showdown was really fun to watch.  Seeing Yoda take out those two Royal Guards right before the fight begins was quite cool, and overall the battle didn't disappoint either.

Overall, a great, great movie...at least to me.  I hope to go a couple more times at least, just to enjoy it again and try to catch little things I might have missed the first time.  I don't know that I really have disappointments with the movie, aside from the fact that it is over.  I wouldn't have minded seeing a little more action from Kashyyyk, and also to see Yoda go to Dagobah.  Hopefully the DVD will provide one of those, or both, but aside from that I like what was included.  My wife knows Star Wars pretty well now too, asking me questions, listening to me blab, and she said that she feels this is her favorite of the Saga...maybe just behind ESB if not #1.  Something she said to me as we drove home from the theatre, and something I agree with: "It seems like there should be one more movie, in between this one and A New Hope".  I couldn't agree more.  Although we know it won't happen (maybe some TV action, but no movie), I feel the same way.  Seeing Vader take those first breaths, and then aboard the bridge looking towards the early Death Star, it just makes you want to see what happened in that 20 year gap between ROTS and ANH.  Lots of years to be taken care of there.  Anyways, overall a great movie, and one I look forward to seeing several more times.  Great way to wrap up the Saga.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Paul on May 20, 2005, 09:51 AM

Anakin's decision to betray the Jedi occured far too quickly - there didn't seem to be enough inner turmoil. There didn't seem to be any real craving for power, which I thought was Anakin's major downfall. Palpatine's revelation about being a Sith Lord came too fast, too... It was just tossed out there.


This was my biggest dissappointment in the whole Prequel Trilogy.  Anakin's fall is not tragic to me, but expected.  He isn't heroic enough for me to care whether he goes to the Dark Side or not.

But as I told my wife as we were leaving...Lucas could never make a Prequel that would satisfy me, I had envisioned how Darth betrayed Anakin, and then how Anakin Became Darth in my mind 20 years ago.  And it was much more "Greek Tragedy" (or probably "B-Western") and less Melodrama.


I like the movie overall, not enough clones (I think I have more clone figures than were actually on screen at any one given time).

Title: Re: to the point
Post by: DarthJah on May 20, 2005, 11:14 AM
There will always be people who over-scrutinize the Prequel Trilogy and will moan and groan about the movies not living up to 'their' expectations. We have to remember this is Lucas' vision, not ours, so we take the Jar Jar's and the occasional off-dialog with the epic battles and moral lessons. I won't go into detail about all the things I liked about this movie, but instead will summarize the experience as a true longtime hardcore fan, not a movie critic...

Having been only about 2 years old when I saw the original "STAR WARS" (and yet still remembering begging my dad and subsequently getting to go even at that young age), the STAR WARS saga has been an integral part of my life, and "Revenge of the Sith" brought joy and tears simultaneously to this fanboy.
 
Some loathesome critics have always dogged Mr. Lucas for his art, but I always remind myself that those critics are often pompous, biased and hey, they DON'T BUY TICKETS. We, the diehard fans DO, and I think we've shown Sir George that we love his work. So much in fact that we are disciples who bring his magic and genius to all we can. I had the pleasure of taking my soon-to-be 5 year old nephew to see this, his only chance to ever see a new STAR WARS movie on the big screen. He was as drop-jawed as I was, because his uncle has taught him well in the ways of the Force and he's a hardcore fan already of all 5 other films (I won't even start about our collective STAR WARS toy collections). To enthrall a 5 year old AND a 28 year old (and several other older adults many years my senior as well) is something very few directors/writers can do.
 
What is most touching about this movie is its ability to literally take us old-schoolers back in time and bring us to our roots. And for the newbie fan, it opens up the main characters in a way that you lose yourself in the struggle they are all caught up in. I found myself almost in tears at Anakin's descent into the Dark Side, and as the movie's final scene closed, I was bawling. It's really over. But it is everlasting in the hearts of the fans. And "STAR WARS EpIII: Revenge of the Sith" in general has left many a jaded critic even patting Mr. Lucas on the back, as this is quite possibly the movie which could be considered the epitome of what makes STAR WARS so great: its universality (no pun). It was an experience for us kids at-heart, and a delight to share with true younglings. I applaud Mr. Lucas, and hope he's proud of the completion of his saga. Cinema is often measured by STAR WARS comparison, and after seeing this last installment, the bar is officially raised.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: John C on May 20, 2005, 11:52 AM
My initial reaction is I liked it more than the last two movies.  TPM was a crapfest and AOTC was just okay, but this one felt more like an OT movie.  I liked the relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin during the first 3/4 of the movie.  You can tell they respect each other and are like brothers, which was missing from AOTC.  The only really cheesy part was the Franken Vader scene IMO.  I would have liked to have seen Mon Mothma and more Chewie.  There was still a ton of stuff crammed into this movie.  I really felt sorry for Anakin.  He was having a tough time deciding what to do, but managed to make the wrong choices anyway.  He's the image of a tragic Greek hero.  At least we know he redeems himself in the end.  The betrayal of the Jedi was kind of hard to watch, too.  I would have to agree with those who said this movie isn't for younger children.  It was pretty dark. 
Another problem with the prequels is that the OT is kind of spoiled for those who will be watching all 6 movies in their proper order.  When Leia kisses Luke for good luck in ANH, it's creepy.  When she kisses him in Echo Base, again, it's creepy.  The whole "Luke, I am your father" thing is ruined.  I don't know why I didn't think of all that until now.  I guess I just feel kind of numb now that there are no more Star Wars movies to look forward to.  Hopefully the TV series will be done like this last movie and the Clone Wars.  At least we have that to look forward to.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 20, 2005, 12:55 PM
Without going into an in depth review, I think ROTS is by far the most sloppy of all the Star Wars films. It was rushed, poorly edited, had amaturish f/x and couldn't decide what movie it wanted to be. Dissapointing.

What sets the PT apart form the OT is that the OT films were meticulously made. Every detail was scrutinized by people who lost sleep over making every shot, every line and every bit of subtext work (at least in ANH and ESB.) The PT did not have that love and care and it shows.

One undisputable fact, Lucas created an excellent story, and ROTS is no exception. However, the perfect formula was reached in TESB with a top notch screenwriter, no BS producer and director who understands characters and relationships. If this formula was followed, ROTS could have been as great as ESB.


Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: proudfather2 on May 20, 2005, 01:14 PM
Let me start by saying that this film is visually stunning, especially the space and city scenes. I mean it was absolutely gorgeous! Also, I loved that they finally tied up all the loose ends. I particularly liked how the issue with 3PO’s apparent lack of knowledge of Tatooine in E4 was taken care of with one simple three second, off-the-cuff remark at the end of the film. I loved the homage to Karloff's Frankenstien monster etc. Great stuff! 

Unfortunately that’s where the good stuff ends for me. Perhaps the most unbearable part of this film to watch was the first thirty minutes. Although visually stunning, the corniness was at an all-time high. Much worse than all other SW films cheese level combined and it made light of all of these serious, tense, life or death situations and made them seem unimportant and even insignificant. Example; Why change the voices of the battle droids all of a sudden and why make them a hundred times dumber with idiotic comments and sounds that came out of them in every scene that is not how they were ever portrayed??? I know they made some silly comments in TPM but this was really bad. The cheese in this film was so over the top it was ridiculous!

Speaking of cheese, what was Grevious’s problem with the coughing and hacking? Was it Lucas’s attempt to make him seem decrepit and feeble and not much of an opponent so when the fight scene finally came we would be surprised at how well this guy can fight? Isn’t that pretty much the same formula GL used for Yoda and Palpy? Here, it was unnecessary and just plain dumb. Maybe Grevious was asthmatic and it just wasn’t explained ‘on film’, who knows? The Grevious character, IMHO, fell flat and came off unimportant in the end.

Speaking of characters; everyone, especially Padme`, Yoda and Palpy seemed to really be ‘out of character’ in this film. I mean they were acting, doing and saying things in a completely different manner in which we’d seen in any film to this point. It was bad! I know that Lucas has an uncanny ability to get mediocre acting from good actors but this was something completely different. I can’t quite put my finger on it however.

I was also a little surprised at the music, was this John Williams? Was it rehashed old stuff? What the heck was going on here with the score? The music didn’t seem to be nearly as fluid and in-tune with the film as it did in every other Star Wars film ever made. It seemed to be lacking and even felt at times like it just didn’t fit at all. Perhaps it was just because of the several scenes that stood out that had absolutely no mood music in the background whatsoever; perhaps it was something else entirely. Again, I don’t know?

Ultimately I felt, for some unknown reason, that this film just did not have that Star Wars feel to it. Its five predecessor films all gave me a certain feeling that when I left the theater I said to myself “Yeah, THAT was Star Wars”. This one left me scratching my head and wondering if I truly enjoyed the film or not. And for a Star Wars film, to a Star Wars fan, that can't be a good thing.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: JedioftheNorth on May 20, 2005, 01:47 PM
This movie is great I have no complants at all it blow me away.  The coughing from grievous comes from the last episode of the clone wars cartoon.  Mace uses the force and crushes grievous thus the coughing.  Definently checkout the cartoons before going they do fill in the gaps before the movie.

Again this movie is awesome  ;D.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: CHEWIE on May 20, 2005, 03:19 PM
I've seen it twice so far.  I'm not going to go into a long analysis - mostly it was awesome and what a wanted to see - there are so many things about it that I loved, a few that I wish he had just expanded on -


1 - Dooku fight could have been a bit longer

2 - Kashyyyk battle should have had more of a plot to it and been at least 5 minutes straight of fighting

3 - Should have shown more Jedi in the temple getting killed (where was Shaak Ti?)

4 - Longer scenes in the corridors of the Tantive IV

5 - I wanted to see or at least hear Qui Gon Jinn talking to Yoda

6 - A conversation in the Star Destroyer at the end


Other than that - I loved it.  I just wanted to see more of it - 10 minutes longer would have really been great.

 :P
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: DSJ™ on May 20, 2005, 11:06 PM
I finally saw it today.  8)

I thoroughly enjoyed it. I was surprised that there was not a lot of people there, about 1/4 full. Through out the whole movie not a sound was made, no one spoke which was fine by me as I hate people talking during a move.

The two things that really stood out for me was near the end when Bail brought Leia to his wife and Leia's theme was playing, same goes for Obi when he gave Luke to Beru and Luke's theme was playing. Owen standing there looking at the twin sunset brought back some memories from long ago...

Yoda slaming those 2 Royal guards against the wall in the Emperor's chamber was great.  ;D

Sherry asked me after the movie what I was chuckling about in some scenes, I told her I spotted the Lucas clan.  ;D

I'll being seeing it again on Sunday with a friend.  :)
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Diddly on May 21, 2005, 12:30 AM
Got back a few minutes ago, my thoughts are pretty much the same as all of yours. :)

Likes:

Palpatine - pure awesomeness. Ian was at his best here. Just didn't like the change in voice pitch after the "transformation."

Visual effects - Best yet! Yoda looked almost exactly like the puppet in terms of lighting. The space battle was pretty cool too.

OT nods - I enjoyed all of them, definately brought back some nostalgia.

Cameos - Hell yeah! Tarkin! Antilles! Boss Nass! PADME'S ******* PARENTS!

Music - I could actually hear a lot of the music! No unnecessary sound effects covering it up! Woohoo! And I loved how the music from other movies fit in with certain scenes, like Duel of the Fates with the Yoda-Sidious fight.

Death of the Jedi - I thought these scenes were done very well. I just wish the Jedi had gotten a tad bit more offense. I know there was a whole bunch of "shock" to it, but they're Jedi Masters for goodness sake! Let them kill at least one Clone!

Dislikes:

Grievous - Cough was lame, and he really served no purpose. Why couldn't they just keep Dooku around a little longer instead of adding Grievous? He really didn't show off any great saber skills either.

Droids - WTF? Did the battle droids from E1 have kids who have yet to go through puberty? Really lame. And what was with them showing emotion? "Excuse me!" "You're welcome!"

Duels - All were a bit too short IMO.

THE Duel - I was dissapointed. I felt that there was too much stalling. If Anakin hated Obi-Wan so much, why wasn't he charging at him at all times? It should have been Obi-Wan using his skills and brians to overpower the overly aggressive Anakin, not just what felt like a stroke of luck.

Kashyyk - just felt out of place. I think they could have come up with another way to have Yoda survive. Or made the battle longer.

And one last irking question: Why the hell is Lucas' 9 year old kid allowed to kill like 20 Clones when the leading members of the Jedi Council can't kill squat?

That's just all I can remember off the top of my head right now. I'll definately need to see it several more times to get a better judgment. But I really enjoyed it and I think it still is the best prequel movie. ;D
Title: Re: to the point
Post by: Jim on May 21, 2005, 08:03 AM

Having been only about 2 years old when I saw the original "STAR WARS" (and yet still remembering begging my dad and subsequently getting to go even at that young age), the STAR WARS saga has been an integral part of my life, and "Revenge of the Sith" brought joy and tears simultaneously to this fanboy.
 


Not to sound like a dick here but I highly doubt you remember Star Wars at 2 years old.  Most childhood memories do not form til the age of 4 unless they are traumatic.  I hear people all the time that they saw Star Wars when they were 1,2 and even 3.. Sorry I dont buy it.  Begging your Father to take you?  You must of been a prodigy who had great skills in the English language at that time.  I think some people just wish they were part of the original generation that saw SW on the big screen for bragging rights. 
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: MetalJedi on May 21, 2005, 12:54 PM
I really enjoyed it. Its probably the best of the PT. Although I have alot of questions and statements.

They never brought up Sifo-Dyas.

Why was Padme still pregnant looking in her casket?

Why didnt we get to see more of the Jedi Purge? Its mentioned alot throughout Star Wars.

Like Diddly said about Zett Jukassa. Why was he so good in the Jedi arts when Aayla Secura just got taken out. Surprise my ass, Jedi can sense things.

The 2 Duels should of been seperate. Going back and forth for an intricate part of the whole story made them seem short and not at all really important.

Why give the Battle Droids emotions?

Why not give the Jedi Masters who approach Palpatine a little more screen time before they die? They've been fighting in the Clone Wars, they should be able to take a few lightsaber swings at them.

Where were Shaak Ti, Barriss Offee?

They should of at least shown Qui Gon Jinn. Even Liam Niesson said he was in ROTS.

No Dagobah? Why did Luke say that it looked familiar?

How does Leia remember her "real mother" when Padme died after child birth?

I know most of these are nit picky but some are warranted.




Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Angry Ewok on May 21, 2005, 01:43 PM
They never brought up Sifo-Dyas.

This bothered me, too... in AOTC the whole Sifo-Dyas thing was made out to be such a huge mystery that the council would be looking into, and none of it has been touched since... unless I've missed some EU stuff.

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Why didnt we get to see more of the Jedi Purge? Its mentioned alot throughout Star Wars.

I couldn't stand seeing many more Jedi being killed, honestly... but I would liked to have seen the Jedi at least put up some sort of fight. That I can remember, everyone basically went out like a weak little bitch, except for Ki Adi Mundi.

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Like Diddly said about Zett Jukassa. Why was he so good in the Jedi arts when Aayla Secura just got taken out. Surprise my ass, Jedi can sense things.

I thought that Zett's scenes were decent, if you look carefully he does more running than anything else... in fact he doesn't fall until he tries to deflect shots and get fancy. The thing that irritates me is Lucas gave his kids more screen time than the god damn Jedi...

There was a particular expression on Aayla's face that I took as her realization that she had been betrayed, but maybe I'm making excuses... Do take into account that all of these Jedi were on the battlefield already, so they may have been so preoccupied facing the frontlines that they weren't attuned to what was behind them.

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Why give the Battle Droids emotions?

I cannot come up with a bull**** excuse for this, no matter how hard I've tried.

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Where were Shaak Ti, Barriss Offee?

Deleted scenes, I suppose? Hopefully we'll get all of those cut scenes in the DVD...

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How does Leia remember her "real mother" when Padme died after child birth?

Perhaps she was speaking of Bail's wife, who could have passed away while she was still young...






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Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: MetalJedi on May 21, 2005, 01:50 PM

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Why didnt we get to see more of the Jedi Purge? Its mentioned alot throughout Star Wars.

I couldn't stand seeing many more Jedi being killed, honestly... but I would liked to have seen the Jedi at least put up some sort of fight. That I can remember, everyone basically went out like a weak little bitch, except for Ki Adi Mundi.

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How does Leia remember her "real mother" when Padme died after child birth?

Perhaps she was speaking of Bail's wife, who could have passed away while she was still young...






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I didnt like seeing the Jedi Purge that much either, but I wanted them like you said to put up a fight. Ki Adi Mundi looked to be the only one watching his back.

As for Bail's wife, that could be a answer but Luke says. "Leia do you remember your mother your REAL mother?"
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Xander on May 21, 2005, 01:51 PM
Why was Padme still pregnant looking in her casket?

I thought it was an effort to hide the children, so that the emperor would receive conflicting reports about whether she gave birth or not.  So according to witnesses, and probably officially, she died before giving birth.
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How does Leia remember her "real mother" when Padme died after child birth?

Yeah, that's some memory she has. 

A hole, small one though,  in the story as far as I'm concerned.

Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: MetalJedi on May 21, 2005, 01:53 PM
Why was Padme still pregnant looking in her casket?

I thought it was an effort to hide the children, so that the emperor would receive conflicting reports about whether she gave birth or not.  So according to witnesses, and probably officially, she died before giving birth.
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Ah! Okay I get it now. That would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jediknight760071 on May 21, 2005, 01:59 PM
Ki Adi's death was the one that affected me most...Then Aayla. The way Ki's was shot (esp. with that planet's environment) was so heartbreaking for some reason. And then how they just kept shooting and shooting Aayla got to me.

Interestingly enough, the small boy talking to Anakin didn't really have an effect on me. It seemed fake---Acting wise.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2005, 02:03 PM
Shaak Ti was in the Council Scenes, you can see her in the Holo representation on Kashyyk...Barriss I don't think was ever confirmed as being in the movie...

Saw it again last night and I loved it just as much as the first time I saw it... :)
Title: I saw it at 12:01 am on Thursday morning....
Post by: Taminar on May 21, 2005, 02:33 PM
And, of course, I've been thinking about it a lot ever since (even drove right past my husband's work when I went to pick him up.... and he thought I was *joking* when I said I was thinkin' about SW!)

First, I agree with those who say that the acting and the dialogue are much improved in this film. It was one of my first comments when it was all over with, and it’s what I’ve told all the mundanes or muggles or whatever you want to call them who’ve asked me about the movie (heck, two people at my work, who are acting all excited about “Sith” said they never even saw Ep2 because they didn’t like Ep1).  I have also defended the acting and dialogue in Episodes 4-6; it’s just amazing to me that people are suddenly criticizing the original trilogy.  I didn’t have a problem with anything (well, a couple of scenes in “Jedi”, but hardly enough to say that all the SW films lack quality acting and writing).

I liked the opening sequence visually, but a lot of the time, Anakin & Obi-Wan's ships seemed to be flying a routine; I didn't feel like they were actually dodging other ships and blaster bolts "on the fly."  (no pun intended)   And speaking of puns, I had to hold back a laugh after Anakin cut off Dooku’s hands and killed him, then said he shouldn’t have killed an unarmed prisoner.

I was near tears throughout the movie, every time someone said or did something that we, the audience *knew* would push Anakin closer to the Dark Side.  I wanted to should "Noooo" when Mace told Ani, basically, that he still wasn't sure he could trust him.

I wanted to see more of Padmé as a senator, and in reviewing the script on SuperShadow.com, I see that several scenes that involved her, Bail, and Mon Mothma were cut, perhaps because of complaints that Episodes 1 & 2 were “too political.”  Other
Deleted scenes would have set up Anakin’s jealousy over Obi-Wan, which as it is, seemed to come out of nowhere.

I noticed the Falcon (or another similar stock light freighter) in the lower right part of the screen as Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Palpatine were returning to the Senate after the rescue from Grievous.  In a way, though, seeing it kind of pulled me out of the movie for a moment.

Tim's been saying from the beginning that Palpy was going to turn out to be Anakin's "father" and apparently Palpy did create him. I almost wish he'd come right out and said it, though -- or that Anakin put two-and-two together (but does Ani know that he was an immaculate conception?).

I was surprised when Ani told Padmé he could defeat Palpy and they could rule the Empire together.  Later, when I thought about it, it makes perfect sense -- Ani's been a slave his whole life, always having to call someone else Master -- and he just wants to run his own life for a change.

Another thing that isn’t clear in the film, I don’t think, is that Grievous is the Vader prototype.  We only get a few close-up shots of the General’s eyes, showing they’re not droid eyes.  I don’t get the cough, either; I don’t have access to television right now, so I missed Clone Wars 2 (I’ll get the DVD).  I had thought maybe it was George’s attempt to show it’s a living being, not a droid.  And maybe he likes a death stick after a good fight.

Bob Crane: I, too, hated to see Obi-Wan leave Anakin there to die in pain.  If only Anakin had landed somewhere that Obi-Wan couldn’t get to, perhaps across a river of lava.  Or if Obi-Wan had thought Anakin was dead and didn’t see him trying to pull himself up the lavabank. It just seems so cruel to leave him suffering.

Cine and I agree -- the "birth" of Vader was too rushed.  Here's what I would've preferred -- the physical transformation takes at least a few months.  During that time, he can sense that Padmé is alive.  Padmé and Leia are in hiding with Bail; Obi-Wan has already taken Luke to Tatooine.  During the time, as Vader gains strength, Padmé weakens and she dies of a broken heart.  Leia has some time to "remember" her mother (though I don't have any memories from my first three or four *years*, we'll say it's The Force), so the line in ROTJ makes sense.  And just as Vader's about to get mobility again -- he senses Padmé's death and does the freak out thing (which Tim said immediately should have been longer).

It disappoints me that Padmé lost the will to live when she had just given birth to two children; she should have wanted to live to take care of them.  If she's going to die right away, it should have been from the injuries from Vader.  It would have been the ultimate irony that in doing anything to save her, he ended up being the cause of her death.  And how would killing Padmé have made him any more of a bad person than slaughtering the younglings?

Tim's major criticism goes back to the whole "midi-chlorian" explanation of the Force.  In the second trilogy, Lucas created a religion and the Force was mystical.  In the first trilogy, it's biological, and becoming an "angel" (as Ben did after ANH) is something you learn, not something you earn.  And yeah, why didn’t we see Qui-Gon there at the end?

Jokabofe, I think R2 and 3PO have always been Abbott and Costello.  I was just pleased they didn’t have the one-liners in this one that 3PO had in AOTC.  I just wonder how Bail knew he could trust R2 not to say anything to anyone – obviously he wasn’t concerned with wiping R2’s memory banks.  As for the banter during battles, I’ve never been in a war situation, but I work in the news business and when we have breaking stories, even tragedies, people make all kinds of joking comments. It helps relieve the stress.

Valin Kenobi, a lot of cineplexes use the same projector for multiple theatres, which would explain why the meltdown happened everywhere.  Good thing they had an extra print lying around, or perhaps they just cut out the burned part and patched it. I heard about a problem with the 12:30 screening in Pensacola; thank goodness our screening went off without a hitch.

Herbert, I can see Anakin in the Vader suit in Episodes 4-6.  The crying (mourning) will end soon, and he’ll simply be left with numbness, pain, and anger.  To me, Ep3 explains why Vader was running around killing so many Imperial officers in ESB; he’s found out that his son is alive and he’s frustrated and angry because if he’d known that 20 years earlier, perhaps he could have changed his life.  He feels more manipulated than he has in a long time.  Or maybe I’m just reading too much into it. <G>  (My husband said, too much is left to us fans to figure out or create our own explanations for.)  I agree that the lightsaber fights are too fast – but that’s a complaint we have about many movie fight scenes these days.  The fast-paced action that began with Ep4 has gotten more intense – every film wants to outdo its predecessors – to the point where you can’t tell what’s going on or appreciate the training and choreography that goes into a good movie fight.

Overall, I was very, very pleased with the film. I think it’s tied with “Empire” for second place (Ep4 will always be my favorite), and I might even like it a little better than ESB.  I need to see it again. And again.   :)
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Post by: Shannon (Princess) on May 21, 2005, 03:01 PM
The whole pregnant and dead thing- nope... because they would have tried to remove the babies had she died in childbirth, in order to save them... and had they died they weren't going to "stuff" them back in her- they would have their own funeral...
She may have been just "puffy"- it's not like it goes back flat immediately... you still have swelling, etc...
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Post by: Darth Broem on May 21, 2005, 03:11 PM
I did not even notice Padme's belly at the end.  My friend thought it was also an attempt to make it look like she was still pregnant.  So everyone would think her twins died with her as well.  Kind of cool if that was the intent. 
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Post by: Scott on May 21, 2005, 04:32 PM
I did not even notice Padme's belly at the end.  My friend thought it was also an attempt to make it look like she was still pregnant.  So everyone would think her twins died with her as well.  Kind of cool if that was the intent. 
That was said in the novelization I believe...Yoda says something to the effect that it should appear that she died pregnant to help hide the children
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Post by: Herbert_Ackermans on May 21, 2005, 05:37 PM
Not to sound like a dick here but I highly doubt you remember Star Wars at 2 years old.  Most childhood memories do not form til the age of 4 unless they are traumatic.  I hear people all the time that they saw Star Wars when they were 1,2 and even 3.. Sorry I dont buy it.  Begging your Father to take you?  You must of been a prodigy who had great skills in the English language at that time.  I think some people just wish they were part of the original generation that saw SW on the big screen for bragging rights. 

I was 4 in '77, and I distinctly remember seeing parts of ANH on TV in a movie-program, namely the Stormtroopers falling over the place when the first torpedo explodes, and Luke taking of his helmet.

So, being very young, you can still remember some things very clearly without them being traumatic.
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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 22, 2005, 01:00 AM
I did not even notice Padme's belly at the end.  My friend thought it was also an attempt to make it look like she was still pregnant.  So everyone would think her twins died with her as well.  Kind of cool if that was the intent. 

Not just any friend either...it was me!   ;)

I loved the film.  Check out my review if you get a chance.
http://blogs.starwars.com/Jedidz23StarWarsBlog/5


As far as Leia remembering her mother, she just remembers images of her.  If you recall, in ESB, she knows at the end to go back to Bespin to pick up Luke off of the Cloud City weather vane, and at the end of Jedi, she has a feeling that Luke wasn't on the Death Star when it blew up.  Essentially, she is strong in the Force, but doesn't have it honed by any means.   She probably got a sense of her birth mother in this way as well.   I suppse the same is true of Luke when he first gets to Degobah, he says there is something familliar about "this place."  He is probably just sensing Yoda, since Yoda was present for the birth.
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Post by: Herbert_Ackermans on May 22, 2005, 06:46 AM
As far as Leia remembering her mother, she just remembers images of her.  If you recall, in ESB, she knows at the end to go back to Bespin to pick up Luke off of the Cloud City weather vane, and at the end of Jedi, she has a feeling that Luke wasn't on the Death Star when it blew up.  Essentially, she is strong in the Force, but doesn't have it honed by any means.   She probably got a sense of her birth mother in this way as well.   I suppse the same is true of Luke when he first gets to Degobah, he says there is something familliar about "this place."  He is probably just sensing Yoda, since Yoda was present for the birth.



Sorry, but that is really really grapsing for straws.

What happens at the end of TESB is Luke sending out a message to Leia via the Force, Leia is not receiving that due to her alleged Force-abilities. She was not scripted in TESB to be Luke's sister, she didn't have any link to any Force-abilities whatsoever in TESB.

Her sensing Luke at the end of ROTJ is there to amplify her being Luke's sister.

And if Leia knows about her mother through the Force, why doesn't the Force let Luke know about his mother? Why didn't he pick up anything at the same time Leia supposedly did?

No, Leia remembering her real mother is just plain impossible. The only explanation can be that Bail tells her a lot about Padmé, trying to make her grow up with the values and ideals that her mother held high, so that she could become a great ally for the Rebellion through political means.

Luke, on the other hand, appears to have been tuck away to be trained as the warrior Jedi, the one to directly challenge the Sith.

Off course, all this is due to GL's decision to wrap it all up in ROTJ leaving some awkward plotholes behind.
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Post by: Jim on May 22, 2005, 09:38 AM
Not to sound like a dick here but I highly doubt you remember Star Wars at 2 years old.  Most childhood memories do not form til the age of 4 unless they are traumatic.  I hear people all the time that they saw Star Wars when they were 1,2 and even 3.. Sorry I dont buy it.  Begging your Father to take you?  You must of been a prodigy who had great skills in the English language at that time.  I think some people just wish they were part of the original generation that saw SW on the big screen for bragging rights. 

I was 4 in '77, and I distinctly remember seeing parts of ANH on TV in a movie-program, namely the Stormtroopers falling over the place when the first torpedo explodes, and Luke taking of his helmet.

So, being very young, you can still remember some things very clearly without them being traumatic.

Like I said in my post.  Memories start forming at age 4.  No way a movie would be remembered at 2.
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Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 22, 2005, 10:45 AM
Just a couple of comments on the lack of Shaak Ti in the film.  She actually had two different death scenes filmed, but neither showed up.  The first one had her being involved in the raid on the General's cruiser.  She was already on board (whether as a prisoner or an infiltrator, I don't know) and it was her homing beacon that led Obi-Wan and Anakin to the ship.  Obi-Wan and Anakin were on their way through the ship to get to Palpatine when they came upon Shaak Ti standing in the middle of the hall crying.  When they came closer, Grievous appeared behind her and stabbed her through the back with a lightsaber (possibly her own; this would also explain early images of the ROTS action figure that had a hole in her chest just big enough to insert a saber blade so it would stick out).  When he attempted to come after them, they used their sabers to cut a hole in the floor and drop down to the next level.

Apparently Lucas decided there was too much going on in the beginning of the film, so her death scene was reshot and put in a new section of the movie.  When Vader enters the Jedi Temple, there was a scene shot where he comes upon Shaak Ti meditating in a room that looks a lot like Yoda's.  I don't know how he did it, but Vader kills her while she is meditating.

There are images of all these scenes (the former being animatics with actual actor footage; the latter being a single still photo) in the "Making of ROTS" book.  Is it outside the realm of possibility to do an identified cut scenes thread for the board?  I don't know how long it will be before T-Bone Fender starts to put a section together on his site (there is no better Cut Scenes archive on the web than his, IMO), and I've already caught several things (such as the shot of Palpatine's shuttle returning to Coruscant from the second trailer and a scene I saw on the TV Guide channel of Padme, Mon Mothma, and some other senators in her apartment) that were shot for the film but not included.  It'd be cool to have all these together in one spot.
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Post by: Herbert_Ackermans on May 22, 2005, 11:50 AM
I've read people being moved and some even being brought to tears, but the whole Aayla Secura killing-scene actualy made me laugh out.

It is so over the top, those Clonetroopers blasting away, just to make sure she's dead.
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Post by: Bob Crane on May 22, 2005, 12:03 PM
What became of the Sypho Dias mystery- ah, nothing?
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: speedermike on May 22, 2005, 04:00 PM
"No, Leia remembering her real mother is just plain impossible."

So are Light Sabers.
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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 22, 2005, 04:18 PM
"No, Leia remembering her real mother is just plain impossible."

So are Light Sabers.

Exactly.  None if this is possible.  However, it is a powerful narrative, and part of the beauty of the narrative is that while much of the informtaion is there on screen, some of it is left to the imagination of the audience.  That is much more effective to me.  I think Lucas has done a pretty good job of wrapping everything up nicely. 

I think it absolutely makes sense, as far as Leia being strong in the Force, but having no idea whatsoever as to how to harness her power.  Maybe the script in Empire doesn't have Luke or Leia knowing that they are siblings, but that doesn't mean she couldn't be more receptive to Luke sending her Force telpathic signals (as fas as where to go and pick him up) than someone else.  The intensity of emotion during the birth of the twins, and having Obi-Wan and Yoda present may have increased Force energy, and allowed Leia to get a sense of her mother.

Is this a stetch?  Absolutely it is, but so are talking robots, laser swords, Jedi Knigts with super powers, and casting terrible child actors to play a youthful Vader (Episode I).  I think Lucas may have been off on a lot of things concerning the first two prequels, but I think he nailed it with Revenge of the Sith.
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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 22, 2005, 04:23 PM
What became of the Sypho Dias mystery- ah, nothing?

I would sure like to know this as well.  Maybe it was Dooku using Dias's name as an alias.  That's what I always assumed.
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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 22, 2005, 04:24 PM
It is so over the top, those Clonetroopers blasting away, just to make sure she's dead.

I thought that was just to show brutality and an absolute lack of respect for the Jedi, as well as for life.

You should never laugh when someone that hot goes away dude.   ;)
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Post by: speedermike on May 22, 2005, 09:32 PM
 "None if this is possible."   Your post was well said Jedidz23.   I am sick and tired of fans who think that they can decide which elements of fantasy are acceptable, and which aren't.

It is so insane to "believe" in the Force, yet not "believe" that in infant (in a fictional reality) can have a memory.  I'm all for talking about weak elements in the movies, and in the prequels there are many, but I have always accepted Lucas' word as gospel.  If he says that Leia remembers her mother, than she does.

Who knows, maybe the people who find these  flaws are the same people who consider the books, games, and comics to be more interesting than the movies.
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Post by: Jesse James on May 23, 2005, 12:53 AM
I actually agree with Jedidz23's opinion on how Leia can remember her mother though it seems impossible...  I view it as a force thing mostly.  Potentially a difference in the way the two children are raised, or things they're told during childhood, form the visions they have through the force...

But to me the explanation that first came to my mind (and which I offered my buddy tonight who surprisingly cited the Leia flaw right away, he impressed me being a more casual fan :) ) was that Leia's having sort of "dreams" she perceives as reality/memory of her mother...  I don't take that as grasping at straws since my mind didn't even stretch to come up with an excuse, but rather that came right to me when my buddy asked about that.  Why Luke doesn't have a memory...  I suppose anything from the focus of his thoughts to the focus of his life in general could've had an effect on that.  Luke only asks about their mother after he's seemingly had some time to reflect on who he was told his father was...  Maybe Luke's lack of thought towards his family (since his Uncle had put something else in his mind) made him lose memory of her?  Lose the connection that Leia perhaps retains because maybe Bail/wife raised her with more talk of Padme...  Who knows. 

It's one of those loose-ends I'm sorta sad that the movie didn't tie off...  That, the Qui-Gon thing, etc...  There definitely was room for another hour's worth of footage.  I feel that way about very little around the prequals. ROTS really won me.

The classic trilogy had me wanting more...  AOTC only had me wanting more about the war, maybe a tie-in space battle (Such a missing aspect of these 3 films), but ROTS I could've sat through another hour of just MORE.  :)  After 3 screenings I'm set for a 4th with anticipation.  Just hearing my buddies walk out with me tonight (Casual fans, but not die-hards who have to be at premieres or collect anything) and they're raving about the movie...  That felt great.  Guys that usually were critical of the films were now asking me questions, and actually discussing stuff with me without making fun of SW in its current state.  That rocked.
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Post by: speedermike on May 23, 2005, 06:58 AM
While I never expected  Lucas to explian everything, I too would have like to have seen Qui-Gon.  It would have tied TPM and ROTS together in a more visual way. I was hoping he would have appeared very briefly on the Blockade Runner, and he would have had Yoda's dialog about "more training."

It was the one thing in ROTS that wasn't good storytelling.  We were told something, as opposed to seeing it.
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Post by: Darth Broem on May 23, 2005, 07:59 AM
What Lucas should have had Padme do was to grab baby Leia and put her hand on her head.  Then spread her index and middle finger apart from her ring finger and pinkie and say "Remember!" just like Spock did to Dr. McCoy (is that his name?) during the end of the Wrath of Kahn. 

Everyone would have been satisfied with that :)
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jedidz23 on May 23, 2005, 10:17 AM
"None if this is possible."   Your post was well said Jedidz23.   I am sick and tired of fans who think that they can decide which elements of fantasy are acceptable, and which aren't.

It is so insane to "believe" in the Force, yet not "believe" that in infant (in a fictional reality) can have a memory.  I'm all for talking about weak elements in the movies, and in the prequels there are many, but I have always accepted Lucas' word as gospel.  If he says that Leia remembers her mother, than she does.

Who knows, maybe the people who find these  flaws are the same people who consider the books, games, and comics to be more interesting than the movies.

I know what you mean, speedermike!  Thanks for the props, by the way.  :)

Some people can find fault in anything.  They are not going to be happy unless it's their way.  Oh well; don't let it affect your enjoyment of the film.  It is such a powerful movie!
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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 23, 2005, 10:26 AM
I actually agree with Jedidz23's opinion on how Leia can remember her mother though it seems impossible...  I view it as a force thing mostly.  Potentially a difference in the way the two children are raised, or things they're told during childhood, form the visions they have through the force...

Totally.  How they focus affects what the Force "broadcasts" to them.

But to me the explanation that first came to my mind (and which I offered my buddy tonight who surprisingly cited the Leia flaw right away, he impressed me being a more casual fan :) ) was that Leia's having sort of "dreams" she perceives as reality/memory of her mother... I don't take that as grasping at straws since my mind didn't even stretch to come up with an excuse, but rather that came right to me when my buddy asked about that. Why Luke doesn't have a memory... I suppose anything from the focus of his thoughts to the focus of his life in general could've had an effect on that. Luke only asks about their mother after he's seemingly had some time to reflect on who he was told his father was... Maybe Luke's lack of thought towards his family (since his Uncle had put something else in his mind) made him lose memory of her? Lose the connection that Leia perhaps retains because maybe Bail/wife raised her with more talk of Padme... Who knows.

I like this as well.  Good to know there are some people out there who will give star Wars credit, instead of instantly ridiculing.  It is far easier to criticize than it is to compliment.

It's one of those loose-ends I'm sorta sad that the movie didn't tie off... That, the Qui-Gon thing, etc... There definitely was room for another hour's worth of footage. I feel that way about very little around the prequals. ROTS really won me.

Both of those things would have been nice to be tied up, but I kind of liked that they weren't.  Similar to the gaps in time between Episodes IV and V, and V and VI, respectively.  We never saw the Rebels move to Hoth, we never saw the confrontation with the bounty hunter on Ord Mandell, and we never saw how Vader discovered that a farm boy by the name of Luke Skywalker blew up the Death Star.  In the same fashion, we never saw Lando infiltrate Jabba's palace, never saw Luke build his Lightsaber or continue with his training, and never witnessed how Leia got her Boush disguise.  Heck, how did they track down Jabba at all?  This is where the genius of Lucas as a storyteller is revealed; he lets the audience fill in some of the gaps with their imagination.  What a refreshing twist in our spoon-fed society!
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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 23, 2005, 10:34 AM
The classic trilogy had me wanting more...  AOTC only had me wanting more about the war, maybe a tie-in space battle (Such a missing aspect of these 3 films), but ROTS I could've sat through another hour of just MORE.  :)  After 3 screenings I'm set for a 4th with anticipation.  Just hearing my buddies walk out with me tonight (Casual fans, but not die-hards who have to be at premieres or collect anything) and they're raving about the movie...  That felt great.  Guys that usually were critical of the films were now asking me questions, and actually discussing stuff with me without making fun of SW in its current state.  That rocked.

Jesse, your post was so rich with good points, that I just have to piggy back on it some more!    ;D  Great points about wanting more.  I actually (for the first time in the history of Lucas fandom!) am looking forward to deleted scenes!  God help me, what have I become?   ;)  How cool that people actually wanted to talk about Star Wars instead of making fun of it!  I had a simillar experience with some members of my family.  Instead of complaining about the acting, or how much it wasn't like the originals, they talked about how cool the movie was, and we went out to eat and talked about Star Wars in a positive way!  It was great!
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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 23, 2005, 10:35 AM
What Lucas should have had Padme do was to grab baby Leia and put her hand on her head.  Then spread her index and middle finger apart from her ring finger and pinkie and say "Remember!" just like Spock did to Dr. McCoy (is that his name?) during the end of the Wrath of Kahn. 

Everyone would have been satisfied with that :)

Ha!  Nice one Brian!  You goof!  :)
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Post by: Herbert_Ackermans on May 23, 2005, 12:55 PM
I get that RS sensation where anyone who isn't raving about ROTS is dealt with as an outcast. ::)
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 23, 2005, 01:00 PM
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What became of the Sypho Dias mystery- ah, nothing?

As far as the film goes, nothing was ever said about it (and although I haven't read the novelization all the way through yet), but my other arch-nemesis, the Expanded Universe, did cover this, and supposedly it was Lucas' own explanation given the James Luceno as to how to handle it.

Basically, Sifo-Dyas was a real Jedi Master and close friends with Dooku.  When word of the Trade Federation invasion of Naboo occurred, Sifo-Dyas started to be as paranoid as I usually am and placed an order for a Clone Army from Kamino because of the growing darkness.  He had only made initial contact by this point, and the only person he informed of his plans was Dooku.

So, Qui-Gon died on Naboo and Dooku became disillusioned and left the Jedi Order.  Sidious actually sought Dooku out and began to discuss his ideas for the galaxy with him; Dooku was interested in Sidious' plans and pledged fealty to the Sith.  As his final test, Dooku was told to kill Sifo-Dyas (his best friend) to prove his loyalty to Sidious.  When Dooku informed Sidious of the Clone Army contact, Sidious told him to keep the order because they may be useful in the future.  Before giving his two week notice to the Jedi Council, Dooku erased all mention of Kamino from the Jedi Archives.  Sidious then sent Dooku to locate and recruit Jango Fett as the Clone template and the rest is Galactic History.

Personally, I think it's a little too complicated, and you could have cut out Sifo-Dyas actually ordering the Clone Army completely.  Just have Dooku kill him, place an order (that could be traced back the Jedi Temple for legitimacy) for the Clones under the identity of Sifo-Dyas (the Kaminoans never saw the real guy), erase everything to do with Kamino and leave the Jedi Order.  That way they could have actually mentioned it in the film; however, given the fact that non-fans aren't really debating this after seeing ROTS shows how much they care about anything that happened in AOTC.  ;D

This was "settled" in James Luceno's "Labyrinth of Evil" by the way.  Despite my intense hatred for the endless superweapons, Dawson's Creek Jedi, and invincible alien races who grow their ships, the book was pretty good, and I'm very curious to see how Luceno does with the rumored Rise of Vader book he's doing late next year.
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Post by: Famine on May 23, 2005, 01:31 PM
No one is going RS over you not liking Sith. At least I don't think so... :-\

Kevin
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Post by: Scott on May 23, 2005, 02:08 PM
I get that RS sensation where anyone who isn't raving about ROTS is dealt with as an outcast. ::)
I don't get that feeling, there were quite a few people here who didn't like the flick
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Post by: Darth Broem on May 23, 2005, 02:47 PM
True, but some people are the other way around.  If you don't hate the film like one person does then the person that liked it is considered to be a "fanboy" and will like any and all SW stories no matter how bad or good it is. 

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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 23, 2005, 04:21 PM
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What became of the Sypho Dias mystery- ah, nothing?
This was "settled" in James Luceno's "Labyrinth of Evil" by the way.  Despite my intense hatred for the endless superweapons, Dawson's Creek Jedi, and invincible alien races who grow their ships, the book was pretty good, and I'm very curious to see how Luceno does with the rumored Rise of Vader book he's doing late next year.

Wow!  Nicely put Doctor Padawan!  I couldn't agee more.  I will never give any money to a series that kills Chewbacca, and the Dawson's Creek Jedi comment...classic!

I was debating reading Labrinth of Evil, and am very glad for the explanation of Dias.  I think I'll check it out.   ;D
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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 23, 2005, 04:23 PM
I get that RS sensation where anyone who isn't raving about ROTS is dealt with as an outcast. ::)

Yikes!  Don't feel that way bud!  I sure didn't mean to imply that, so my apologies if that's how it came out.  We all love Star wars and are just sharing our oppinions.  Yours is just as valid as any of ours!   :)
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Post by: Jesse James on May 23, 2005, 05:44 PM
Yeah, Dave didn't like it...  But that's just Dave. ;)  :-*  (j/k)

When I left the theater last night my buddy told me he'd have questions, and low and behold he did today.  He asked why Dagobah/Yoda wasn't shown since the children and Obi-Wan were.  I've heard this was filmed but deleted as well.  I'm imagining this film has a lot more deleted footage to it than any other SW movie.  Just a gut feeling right now, but I bet he could do one hell of a bonus DVD for this movie if he were so inclined.
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Post by: Darth_Anton on May 23, 2005, 06:51 PM
After seeing the movie a second time, I enjoyed it much more. I simply had to tell myself that it's a prequel and that I shouldn't expect anything different. If I was 13, I'd probably love it like I loved ROTJ at one point, but after becoming a lover of great film, it's nothing more than a guilty pleasure.
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Post by: speedermike on May 23, 2005, 08:13 PM
"I loved ROTJ at one point, but after becoming a lover of great film, it's nothing more than a guilty pleasure."

I agree.  I think that ROTJ is succesful only in the Vader/Luke/Emperor stuff.  Other than that, I think it's the slowest and most claustrophobic of all of the films.  While I dig the movie too, it's becuase I like SW, not because it's a great movie.  I think that ROTS is a stronger third act with a solid beginning, middle and end.
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Post by: Chris on May 23, 2005, 10:37 PM
Seeing it my second and third time did it for me. Much, much better of a film. I think I was expecting too much. I am able to sit down and enjoy it, that is for sure. What really got me the first time is there were so many things I personally wanted to see and they just didn't happen. I needed to appreciate this as a SW movie and not what I wanted out of it, that just isn't realistic.
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Post by: Jedidz23 on May 23, 2005, 10:58 PM
Seeing it my second and third time did it for me. Much, much better of a film. I think I was expecting too much. I am able to sit down and enjoy it, that is for sure. What really got me the first time is there were so many things I personally wanted to see and they just didn't happen. I needed to appreciate this as a SW movie and not what I wanted out of it, that just isn't realistic.

I know what you guys are saying.  I went into it thinking that it should be better than the first two, and thank goodness, it was.  I think that allowed me to really enjoy the film on my first viewing.  If anything, I was somewhat disturbed and saddened.  A lot of depressing (yet neccessary) things occur.   I avoided all spoilers, and had no idea what it would reveal, and what it wouldn't.

It would have been nice to see Dagobah, but I mainly wanted to see Vader ignite his red Lightsaber!
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Post by: Mainland05 on May 30, 2005, 03:07 AM
Well, I am not sure really where I stand on this last Star Wars film, but I must say, I really was a fan of all the prequels until now!! I think Revenge of the Sith was the worst Star Wars film ever made! Being a die hard Star Wars fan, I guess I expected since it was indeed the last film to be made, I thought it would be way better then it was.  Now don't get me wrong anyone, the CGI was excellent, but here are the things that really ticked me off!!

- Where was Shaak Ti?? She Originally was supposed to be killed by Grievous, That was Cut!
  Was then supposed to be killed by Anakin on his killing spree in the temple, according to "The Making of Revenge Of the Sith" and the novel. That was totally Cut!

- Where was Barriss Offee??

- I swear I only saw Luminara Unduli only once In the film! And she looked nothing like the Mary Oyaya version either!

- The brief moment we saw of our favorite Jedi getting slaughtered was horrible!! It should have been longer!! More action and talking too!

- Natalie Portman acted horribly!! Although I loved when Hayden Christensen was phist at the site of Obi-Wan on the ship, he did great!

- We hardly saw Grievous, for what the first 30-40 minutes or so?? Wasn't he supposed to be this big bad jedi killing machine?? Man seemed to have emphysema or something!

- Mon Mothma????

- If I am correct was there a scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan were in water?? Where was that!!

- We hardly saw the wookies!!

- Utapuan Warriors????

Here is my rank of Star Wars films:

1. Return of The Jedi
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. Attack Of The Clones
4. A New Hope
5. Revenge Of the Sith
6. The Phantom Menace

Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: speedermike on May 30, 2005, 08:31 AM
From above... "but here are the things that really ticked me off!!

- Where was Shaak Ti?? She Originally was supposed to be killed by Grievous, That was Cut!
  Was then supposed to be killed by Anakin on his killing spree in the temple, according to "The Making of Revenge Of the Sith" and the novel. That was totally Cut!

- Where was Barriss Offee??

- I swear I only saw Luminara Unduli only once In the film! And she looked nothing like the Mary Oyaya version either!

- The brief moment we saw of our favorite Jedi getting slaughtered was horrible!! It should have been longer!! More action and talking too!

- Natalie Portman acted horribly!! Although I loved when Hayden Christensen was phist at the site of Obi-Wan on the ship, he did great!

- We hardly saw Grievous, for what the first 30-40 minutes or so?? Wasn't he supposed to be this big bad jedi killing machine?? Man seemed to have emphysema or something!

- Mon Mothma?Huh

- If I am correct was there a scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan were in water?? Where was that!!

- We hardly saw the wookies!!

- Utapuan Warriors?Huh"

Do you realize than most (all?) of the things that made you not like Sith were things that were cut out?  If you didn't follow spoilers, you wouldn't be missing any of these things.  You were so involved with what you thought ROTS would be, you couldn't enjoy it for what it is.

I can't believe that after three prequels people don't understand how Lucas, and the Lucasfilm hype machine, works.
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Post by: Darth Broem on May 30, 2005, 09:22 AM
To be honest this is one of the ways spoilers can ruin a movie for  people.  Things that sound really cool may not make the final cut.  When they do not people can get pissed because those scenes people look forward to are not there.  However, the general public is not really supposed to know what is coming until the movie comes out.  Oh and another thing.  Shaak Ti was never in the trailers.  I could see people getting ticked if she was in a trailer and not in the film (actually she is in as a hologram). 

If you had NOT heard that Shaak Ti was going to be in the film would you really miss her?  I mean really.  I would not have.  I was surprised she was not in it because I had heard 2 possible death scenes were cut.  Maybe she is going to wind up in the TV series? 

Same goes for Bariss Offee.  So what that Luminara is not in the film.  Again would you really miss her unless you are some sort of Luminara fan?  I did not.  I would have liked to have seen her in some action but oh well.  Again maybe she is in the TV series as well?  I don't know if she was killed on Kashyyyk or not?  It's not like those 2 were ever really in the previous films that much.  Unless you are an EU fan would anyone really care? 

How was it that Natalie Portman was terrible?  I know this is an opinion of many others.  There was only one scene that I did not like with her and that was the "you are beautiful...no you are beautiful...no YOU are beautiful" scene with Anakin.  The rest of the time she is fine.  She was certainly no worse than anyone else in the OT or in this film.  Samuel L Jackson was worse IMO in this film than Natalie.  Although I liked him in the duel with the Sidious.  A scene that actually matters to the rest of the Star Wars saga.  So, I am happy with that. 

Everyone should have known that Greivous was just going to be in the film for eye candy and nothing more.  I do agree that we should have seen him mow down some Jedi.  I think we can all use our imaginations when he whips out 4 lightsabers and twirls them all at Kenobi that this dude was able to wipe out some Jedi.  Again the cough thing was explained in the Clone Wars cartoon series which I saw.  So, it made perfect sense for me.  I actually liked his cough.  It was a nice foreshadowing of Vader to come IMO. 

Mon Mothma.  Yep her scene got cut.    I would like to see it to.  But who knows?  Maybe the scene looked crappy or out of place.  At least we can all get an action figure of her if we want to.  Someone said she is in the film but in the background I guess?  Again maybe we get to see more of her in the TV series with a different actress possibly? I was not that disappointed she was not in it.  Most of the audience would probably wonder "Who the hell is that lady?" 

Yeah the original Kenobi/Anakin scene in the water was shot but extremely brief from what I have heard.    Where you really looking forward that water scene?  Why?  I don't get why someone would be pissed to not see that?  Again if you would not have been spoiled you would not have been begging for an Anakin/Kenobi scene in the water.   I can guarantee that. 

The Utapuan (sp?) warriors only got us a bit excited because of it's action figure.  It would have been neat to see them fight some battle droids I suppose.  But again it's nothing that anyone should be pissed about not seeing.  Now if it was hyped up that those guys were going to have a big role in the movie.  Then I could see someone getting ticked. 

However, I to was upset that we did not get to see more of the Wookies battling.  Why?  Because that was actually hyped up quite a bit.  I understand that.  I was looking forward to much more wookie action.  So, that does suck.  But as far as the overall story of Anakin turning to the darkside it really does not matter all that much.  But I get the dissapointment there. 

I am sorry if you were such a big fan of the other 2 prequels (which had tons of deleted scnenes) I can't see how you can not be a fan of this one to.  It's far better than the other 2 IMO.  But to each his own.  People either seem to love this movie or hate it. 

Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 30, 2005, 09:29 AM
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I'm imagining this film has a lot more deleted footage to it than any other SW movie.

There is a comment somewhere in one of the books (either the Art of or Making of, I can't recall which) where Lucas is describing the editing process.  He said that at one point he just had too much going on in the film and decided that if it didn't directly affect Anakin, it would be cut.  His rationale was that it is Anakin's story from beginning to end and side tangents involving political wrangling (such as the scenes involving Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, and Padme) and other such things would simply slow the film down.

As for Dagobah, from what I recall, they actually finished the shot (all CG, I think) of Yoda exiting his pod and looking around, but Lucas decided to drop it.  That and the loss of Qui-Gon's voice with Yoda on Polis Massa are the two scenes that I am most disappointed in being cut.  Oh well, there is always the DVD I suppose.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jedidz23 on May 30, 2005, 11:59 PM
I am pretty shocked at the amount of people who don't like this film.  It has the most weight and depth of any of the prequels, and was very powerful emotionally.  I stayed away from all spoilers, and as a result, had no expectations.  I think this is a piece of evidence that illustrates that spoilers do more harm then good.   It reminds me of when I saw The Two Towers for the first time; I kept expecting to see Shelob, and she never appeared.  If I hadn't read the book before, I wouldn't have expected this.  It seems that some of fans are having simillar experiences with Sith.  However, I am not one of them, thank goodness.  After seeing Phantom Menace, I learned my lesson not to have any expectations for these prequels.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Diddly on May 31, 2005, 02:37 AM
Saw it for a second time today, and I enjoyed it much more. The only thing I don't like about it are those Padme/Anakin scenes. God, those are torture to sit through, just like in AOTC.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Darth Broem on May 31, 2005, 08:15 AM
I finally got to see it again for the second time.  Hell it was much better the second viewing.  I don't know.  Maybe it is better than ROTJ?  Well I have ROTJ at #3. 
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Brian on May 31, 2005, 09:26 AM
I got a chance to see it for the 2nd time this past weekend as well, and really enjoyed it once again.  I thought it was great the first time, but it seems even better the more you see it.  You just pick up on other little things that you might have missed the first time around.  I was so proud when my wife turned to me and said "hey, did you see that, the Millennium Falcon was in that last scene".  I didn't even tell her to watch for it ;).
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Mister Skeezler on May 31, 2005, 11:23 AM
Well, I went to see the movie for the fifth time on Sunday night, and I still ******* love it.

On a personal note, I took my mom to see it (she loved it) and now I've gone with her to see all six Star Wars movies in the theatre. She took me to see ANH when it was rereleased right before ESB, and I was almost 4 years old. So being able to take her to this last one was a big deal for me. Anyone else have a similar experience?
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Angry Ewok on May 31, 2005, 02:28 PM
I really was a fan of all the prequels until now!! I think Revenge of the Sith was the worst Star Wars film ever made!

Here is my rank of Star Wars films:

1. Return of The Jedi
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. Attack Of The Clones
4. A New Hope
5. Revenge Of the Sith
6. The Phantom Menace


All of this is inconsistant, you know? To say that you liked the prequels until ROTS... that's brave.

I can't help but wonder if its possible for your mind to change once the DVD comes out, seeing as your biggest complaints are of scenes that were taken out of the movie. Once those scenes are dropped back in, will you change your mind?

As far as your complaint about Natalie Portman not being able to act... where were you with TPM and AOTC? You realize Natalie Portman was in those movies, too, right? ROTS was all of the actors' best of the prequels - to me it looked like everyone finally got their **** together and decided to put effort into the movie.

As far as Luminara goes - I don't know what you think you saw, but she was only in the movie for a fraction of a second and she looked alright to me... The fact that a fraction-of-a-second background character managed to put a dent in your view of ROTS says alot :

Bottom line is : You made the mistake of looking into spoilers and reading too much into the hype machine...


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On a personal note, I took my mom to see it (she loved it) and now I've gone with her to see all six Star Wars movies in the theatre. She took me to see ANH when it was rereleased right before ESB, and I was almost 4 years old. So being able to take her to this last one was a big deal for me. Anyone else have a similar experience?

I think that's awesome. I'm 20, so I missed all of the OT the first time around, but my mom took me to see the Special Editions on their opening nights... we've went to see every single one of the 6 films in theatres together, so I thought it was special to that me and mom got to see the final film together, too.

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It would have been nice to see Dagobah, but I mainly wanted to see Vader ignite his red Lightsaber!

Someone told me that once Anakin turned to the dark side, his lightsaber would magically turn from blue to red... God I'm so glad that didn't happen, LOL. I wonder how long Vader walks around with a blue saber before he builds a new one.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Scott on May 31, 2005, 03:00 PM
Obi-Wan took his saber so, probably right away
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 31, 2005, 04:00 PM
Wow...there's definitely a trend of people who were all into spoilers not liking this film and those who tried to avoid them liking it.

I'm glad I resisted the temptation.
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Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 31, 2005, 05:02 PM
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Anyone else have a similar experience?

Yes, I had pretty much the same experience as yours, Lando.  My mother took me to see all three films in their original theatrical runs when I was very young, and I have taken her to see all three of the prequels during their theatrical runs.  It will always be special to me that I was able to give back to her what she gave to me when I was a child.

This is what Star Wars is all about.  Not overpriced exclusive action figures or life size statues or the fifth variation of Anakin's Starfighter: the films, the stories, and the connections that we all have made because of them. 
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Post by: Jedidz23 on June 1, 2005, 12:41 AM
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Anyone else have a similar experience?
This is what Star Wars is all about.  Not overpriced exclusive action figures or life size statues or the fifth variation of Anakin's Starfighter: the films, the stories, and the connections that we all have made because of them. 

Great point Dr. Padawan.  There are a lot of strong connections to my childhood due to Star Wars.  I too took my Mom to see ROTS, and we had a great time.  She took me to all of the movies as a kid, and I have repaid the favor.  She even watched Clones with me on DVD two weeks before Sith came out.  That was so cool!   :)
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jedidz23 on June 1, 2005, 12:43 AM
Wow...there's definitely a trend of people who were all into spoilers not liking this film and those who tried to avoid them liking it.

I'm glad I resisted the temptation.

Same here!!  Believe me, I avoided spoilers like the plague (just ask Darth Broem), and that helped my enjoyment of the film.  Spoilers are more hype tools that increase expectations, and I learend my lesson about expectations from Episode I.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jedidz23 on June 1, 2005, 12:46 AM
I finally got to see it again for the second time.  Hell it was much better the second viewing.  I don't know.  Maybe it is better than ROTJ?  Well I have ROTJ at #3. 

I don't know Brian.  Jedi is pretty great.  Watch it again, and you'll see.  It is even more powerful aftr seeing ROTS.  I think we all have a proclivity to think less highly of Jedi, but it is still a heck of a great film.  Han Solo's wit (even when tempered by love) is irreplaceable, and who can forget the joy you first felt when you saw Luke in his black Jedi tunic.  Of course, you are a wise young Jedi, so hey, it's all good.   ;)
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Darth Broem on June 1, 2005, 08:27 AM
Yeah, that's true Dan.  I just need to pop in Jedi and it will all come back.  Still, ROTS is up there as a good SW film. 
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Darth_Anton on June 1, 2005, 12:39 PM
Wow...there's definitely a trend of people who were all into spoilers not liking this film and those who tried to avoid them liking it.

I'm glad I resisted the temptation.

I resisted spoilers as well and kept fairly spoiler free, but I still agree that this is the wrost of all 6.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: amarsella on June 1, 2005, 04:43 PM
I was fiend for spoilers and I loved this movie. I put it at number 3 overall right after ANH and TESB. I've seen it 5 times so far and I plan on going at least a couple more.

Don't get me wrong there are a couple things I wasn't crazy about but that's true off all the SW films.

I was worried that since I kept up with all the spoilers I was going to be let down but ROTS met and exceeded my expectations.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Jedidz23 on June 2, 2005, 12:56 AM
I was worried that since I kept up with all the spoilers I was going to be let down but ROTS met and exceeded my expectations.

Very cool bud.  You are one of the rare ones (at least on this thread) where spoilers didn't ruin the flick.  Right on!
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Darth Kenobi on June 2, 2005, 07:24 PM
Seen it three times since it opened and I still enjoy it everytime.  I have only minor problems with it like many here I didn't like the droids voices, Vader No, and some other small things.  After seen it the first time I been noticing new things that I like in that I missed out on, Anakin choking a Jedi in the Holo Video which I missed the first time and some other little things.  I have plans to see it a couple of more times in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Scott on June 20, 2005, 10:14 AM
I just wanted to mention that one scene I thought was amazingly done is the one where Padme and Anakin are talking on the Veranda before he heads to Mustafar and post Youngling slaughter...

Anakin walks in and out of the shadows that are there...which echoes his plunging in to the dark side with his only tether to the light being his wife....who is standing on his right side which is where the light is coming from.  Its well done and something I didn't see the first or second times I saw it...
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Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 28, 2005, 01:20 PM
I just wanted to mention that one scene I thought was amazingly done is the one where Padme and Anakin are talking on the Veranda before he heads to Mustafar and post Youngling slaughter...

Anakin walks in and out of the shadows that are there...which echoes his plunging in to the dark side with his only tether to the light being his wife....who is standing on his right side which is where the light is coming from.  Its well done and something I didn't see the first or second times I saw it...

Good one Scott!

That theme is repeated on Mustafar, when she runs out of the lighted ship to confront Anakin. She's pleading with him to escape with her (back into the light). Obi-Wan also comes out of the lighted ship.

Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: stormie on July 7, 2005, 09:37 AM
Finally saw it for the first time this past weekend.

I just found it terribly muddled, like they were trying to put too much stuff into it. I'm not a big fan of the CGI, so a lot of the time, the Clones looked bad walking and running. I actually chuckled to myself a couple times at non-humorous moments in the film because it was so over-the-top.

A few things I did like about it included all the different Clone markings (if I still had money to collect, I'd be chomping at the bit to buy all the different Clones) and Ewan's performance. He does a perfect Obi-Wan.

So, after completing my Star Wars viewing, I'd rank them:
1. Star Wars
2. Empire
3. Jedi
4. Phantom
5. Clones
6. Sith

Phantom has really grown on me. I like the entire look of the movie, Darth Maul saber fights, the Pod Race, the fact that Yoda hasn't been CGI'd, and even young Anakin. Jar Jar is still is a little annoying, but it's definitely my favorite of the prequels.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Ben on August 15, 2005, 12:46 AM
I got to thinking about the length of ROTS today. I was thinking it should have been longer. I just finished the novel, and I just think there's so much there that should have been onscreen. It really should have been a 3 hour (or more) film, since he left 60% (by his own admission) of the prequel story for this one movie.

It probably would have been clunkier including the stuff from the novel, but it would have elevated it slightly, methinks. A lot of what was in the novel was subtext that either the actors or Lucas couldn't convey, but that's another argument.
Title: Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
Post by: Scott on August 17, 2005, 11:38 PM
Another cool thing I noticed whilst watching ROTS today :P

Vader's eyes turn from white to Glowing red right before he tells Obi-Wan that he hates him...pretty cool