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Multimedia => The Sequel Trilogy => Topic started by: Scott on October 25, 2010, 09:03 AM
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I was talking to one of my other buddies the other day about the potential for another Trilogy probably being likely. With the rumors that a live action series isn't probably possible with a TV show budget it made me think that LFL was pondering doing more movies.
So the logical question to me is, "If they want to keep doing Star Wars, why not do more movies?"
Then the rumors popped up this weekend with IESB (http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10291:iesb-exclusive-the-line-starts-hereagain-new-star-wars-movies-planned&catid=41:news&Itemid=71) all but saying its a done deal. This has been 100% denied by LFL...so what do you think?
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I think I'll take LFL's word for it at this point... Thought when the report was first out I thought, "Eh, maybe that's how they're going to do the TV show now?", but I guess that's not the case. I figured though, back when LFL first said the budgeting concerns for the live-action show had creeped up, that maybe they'd do them as a movie.
Lucas seems like he'd really be kind of hooked on an idea and not want to let it go, and work to get it done however it needed to be done. Then I thought about them debuting Clone Wars as a film... I could see them doing the live-action series the same way.
Like I said though, I'll take LFL's word for it that it's 100% bunk, but I've always sort of wanted to see Star Wars continue on the big screen. Particular a post-ROTJ film set re-establishing the Jedi Order, showing Han and Leia's relationship beyond the kiss on Endor, and looking at things from the perspective that the galaxy's big, the Emperor's control vast, and that things wouldn't have just been all hunky dory once the Emperor died. Just not logical.
I'm also content with books covering the time after Endor too though... I've been kinda bummed on the lack of a TV series explaining the "Dark Times" era though.
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I'm kind of in the same camp. For now, I'll take Lucasfilm's word for it, although we've seen many instances of both Lucasfilm and Hasbro where they'll deny, deny, deny until they are ready to "officially" announce something.
I have to admit, the prospect of more new Star Wars on the big screen is exciting to me. Personally, although it would never happen I'd guess, I would have liked to see the Thrawn trilogy in movie form. The actors (Ford/Hamill/Leia/etc.) are all way too old for that now, but it would have been cool. Aside from that, I'm usually more interested in the OT era as well, whether it be post-ROTJ or the period between ROTS and ANH. That's not saying they couldn't make cool stuff from other eras too (and I'd see any of it), as I know stuff like KOTOR/etc. has its fanbase as well.
One thing I've been thinking about is that it would be nice to have more "suspense" to SW movies as well. You think about anything we've gotten since the OT, whether it be the prequels or the current CW series, we always knew the "end game". Sure, at times it has been a blast getting there, but in the end we always knew what was going to happen to the major players for the most part (one notable exception being Ahsoka now I guess). I know it would likely take some treading on EU stories wherever the movies would be set, but it would be cool to see something post-ROTJ, even if it only involved some of the major players from the OT making cameos here or there. I doubt you could get Ford on board, but possibly someone like Mark Hamill, Billy Dee Williams, etc. could play a part. Heck, they've come a long way with that "de-aging" stuff in movies (like used on Patrick Stewart in X-Men or Jeff Bridges in the upcoming Tron: Legacy) so you never know.
Although I really enjoy the current Clone Wars series, and look forward to the live-action series should it ever start - Star Wars has always seemed like it belong on the big screen to me.
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I think Lucas is using a play from Steve Job's playbook. Job's will say something is a completely stupid idea and then six months later annouce that exact thing as "Revolutionary!"
Personally, I would like to see a Star Wars movie that has no relationship to the Skywalker family. A story that is completely different with different characters but in the same universe. A KOTOR movie would be great. We need a reboot much the way Star Trek did. Just make the story new.
I also think LFL needs to start making "other" movies. Their track record beyond Indy and SW is pretty bad.
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I also think LFL needs to start making "other" movies. Their track record beyond Indy and SW is pretty bad.
Their recent track record within those two franchises isn't exactly stellar, either.
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If they did another trilogy I would want it to be in the distant past or far enough beyond ROTJ that the original heroes could reprise their roles. No more movies or media that take place in a time period "between" other movies. The Clone wars series is boring because you know how everything turns out. There is no sense of urgency and there are no surprises. It's nice to have plot twists like Yoda's death and Darth Vader's reveal, they make the OT special.
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I always thought he would make another trilogy to be honest. There is too much money to be had by making movies. I expect another around 2018-2020. It would not surprise me at all. I think it will either be something way, way, way before or after the whole Skywalker saga. Although a young Yoda sounds kind of fun IMO.
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I always thought he would make another trilogy to be honest. There is too much money to be had by making movies.
Yup, and that concerns me. I think I'd like to see another trilogy in the SW universe but I'm worried it'll end up being a commercial rather than an artistic venture. While I readily admit I enjoyed the PT in the theaters that's as much due to being a SW geek as anything else. Upon reflection the movies are somewhat disappointing but that's ok, it was somewhat inevitable. What's more irksome is the clear drive that marketing had behind influencing aspects of the movie - hence the rainbow colored clones and that's now just annoying. I honestly can't see a resolution of going from dayglo to basic white from OT to PT but I suppose that's a pet peeve now.
If they could turn this over to someone other than Lucas and start anew, whether it's one of the EU storylines or something new then I'd be more supportive. I'm quite confident I'd see the movies anyway but I agree with Master_Phruby in that they need to reboot in some sense. Maybe not exactly like Trek did because new characters would be welcome and I'd hate to see them copy that format exactly with new actors in place of the old to tell roughly the same story. But if they brought in new actors in the classic roles (Han, Leia, Luke, etc.) to tell something like the post-ROTJ era (without frikkin' ewoks) and didn't just use it as a commercial for special effects and to sell toys, then yeah, I'm ok there. Plot, subtlety and all that other wacky stuff from the first trilogy is most welcome. Forced, tedious romance with a plethora of colored toys not so much. ;)
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I honestly can't see a resolution of going from dayglo to basic white from OT to PT but I suppose that's a pet peeve now.
This was actually something I didn't really mind, only because I always tied it to the notion that the Jedi treated the Clones like people, and wanted them to have pride in themselves and what they did... The Republic treated them like cannon fodder, and nothing more than a tool to win the war without their ***** asses having to do any of the dirty work. Kind of like the poor getting drafted and sent to war in history while the more well-off enjoy the benefits, just more sci-fi.
So the Jedi sort of feel bad for the clones being used as pack animals, and bring out that sense of individuality. Pride in your unit by decorating their armor, pride in themselves with actual names instead of alpha-numeric designations.
And the Empire then wipes that all clean pretty much (except in some ****** EU) and makes the soldiers back into faceless obedience, there to do a job and nothing more.
That's just how I always looked at it, even before any expansion material latched onto it Brent. Just my personal opinion. I thought it sort of tied the Jedi and CLones even more tightly together, and made their ultimate betrayal a little more dramatic to me.
On the other subject...
A new trilogy using new actors in a new setting? I'm cool with that. Not seeing Carrie Fisher and Mark Hammil anywhere near it though. ;D A reboot ala Star Trek? That's an interesting concept. I think any of its success (critical anyway, since financial seems guaranteed for the Star Wars brand) depends on how deep a certain individual's digits are burried into it. I just don't have faith in his ability to consistantly wow his fans like he did in the 70's and 80's.
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Hopefully LFL does not make any more SW movies.
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/20/empire-strikes-back-screenwriter-may-return-for-star-wars-episodes-viii-and-ix (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/20/empire-strikes-back-screenwriter-may-return-for-star-wars-episodes-viii-and-ix)
Sounds like Lawrence Kasdan (Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Raiders of the Lost Ark) is being brought on board to write Episode 8 or 9 (unclear which at this point) alongside Simon Kingberg (X-Men: First Class). Kind of excited to see Kasdan attached to Star Wars again.
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that's good news if true. :)
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**** YES.
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http://www.newsarama.com/film/kasdan-kinberg-expanding-star-wars.html (http://www.newsarama.com/film/kasdan-kinberg-expanding-star-wars.html)
New rumors that Kasdan and Kinberg may be working towards expanding the Star Wars universe, beyond this next sequel trilogy. I've read this news at a couple of different sites, and it mentioned that it doesn't mean they won't be working on the ST as well, but that they might be brought on to look to expanding outside to other corners of the SW universe, and moving the release schedule for SW movies up to 2-3 a year, like the current Marvel movie model. Just rumors, once again....
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Wow... I mean, holy ****, imagine the toy push with that many films.
Boba Fett movies anyone?
Anyone could basically make his character more interesting than Lucas did since he had him offed like a pud.
I want a Bossk film. Hell, make it like the Bounty Hunter avengers. Bossk, 4-LOM, Zuckuss, IG-88, Dengar, and Boba. :-* I'd almost dig seeing that.
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Disney did pay $4 BILLION for the franchise. I suspect that they want to monetize ownership of Star Wars as much as possible, and that's got to mean LOTS of Star Wars films.
The modern film franchise model has changed remarkably over the past few years. The Harry Potter film franchise in particular generated 8 films and grossed over $7 Billion worldwide. Disney has to be looking at what Warner Brothers did with the HP franchise as a model for how they might handle Star Wars going forward.
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The rumors have just gotten out of control. At this point I'm ready for real news. If Kasdan works on spinoffs, great, but hopefully he's involved in the trilogy, since that would be icing on the cake.
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Multiple films per year might reinvigorate the franchise or burn it out.
Star Wars films were EVENT releases in the past (animated Clone Wars movie aside, which had a lukewarm reception).
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No way they'll do multiple films per year, but I'm sure they're going to try and do at least one every couple of years or so.
And I wish they wouldn't. It's going to totally blow out the franchise. I'm all for the final trilogy, but having random SW movies pop up beyond that, to me, is totally unnecessary.
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A trilogy that picks up where the OT left off seems like a natural progression. Beyond that, I could also see Disney doing something akin to what's been done with the X-Men franchise: produce character focused spin-offs like the Wolverine movies. And I suspect that we'll probably see something like that with Boba Fett.
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It's coming folks. Whether it's good or bad they are going to make their money off of this franchise. It's a good bet we will get a Boba Fett flick at some point. You know if that does well the sky is the limit for other character films. They could literally go any route here. Young Han Solo and Chewbacca. Vader. Young Yoda. Young Palpatine. It's almost endless. Jar-Jar (kidding).
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Star Wars Origins: Palpatine
Jedi Council: First Class
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Star Wars Origins: Willrow Hood
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Star Wars Origins: Willrow Hood
I hear the original actor's quote may be too high, so an offer has gone out to SNL's Keenan Thompson for that role.
;D
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I can't help but wonder how Star Wars VII will fare against some of the big opening records, I have to think that it will destroy even the Avengers when it finally arrives. Great to hear that Marvel continues to do well though - it is just amazing to see these characters on the big screen, especially with strong stories.
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I think it depends on whether it's good or not. Episode I would do much worse now in the RottenTomatoes era. And with the history of poorly received Prequels, the Star Wars franchise could fall apart if the film isn't up to snuff.
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I don't know if Episode VII will do Avengers type opening weekend numbers. The prequels left a sour taste in the mouth of the casual Star Wars fan. The only reason TPM made the most money was because it was the first Star Wars film in 16 years. The poor story certainly hurt the box office of AOTC and the poor story of AOTC hurt the box office of ROTS, which was easily the best of the three prequels.
The saving grace for Episode VII will be signing the big three to appear in the film. I think that will get people who were turned off by the prequels somewhat excited. However, you are going to get the "they are too old" crowd. The story will really be a key in all this. Disney cannot afford to have a boring trade dispute/political story line. There will need to be an enemy that is a credible threat to the Jedi and a lot more action than we saw in TPM.
When new movies were announced in the 90's, I really wanted them to make the sequel trilogy back then. At that point, the major stars were not "too old". Ford has always said he wouldn't play Solo again, but I bet Lucas could have at least got him to cameo for a death scene. The other reason was so that nine episodes would have actually been made. At that point, I never though Episodes VII through IX would be a certainty if Episodes I through III were completed. Until the Disney sale, that was the road Lucas went down with his revisionist "I only intended to make six movies" statement.
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The saving grace for Episode VII will be signing the big three to appear in the film.
That's actually the number one reason why I have little to no desire to see the movie at this point. It's not only that they're too old (and they're way, WAY too old)... it's that their story was finished. They rode off into the sunset. I see it as a huge mistake to bring them back to face off against whatever other "even worse threat" they come up with. It almost feels like a betrayal.
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No, in Indiana Jones andthe Last Crusade they rode off into the sunset. In ROTJ, they patted each other on the back at the teddy bear picnic.
Besides, they've had 30 years of peace or something.
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which makes it perfect for a new generation of 20-somethings to fight a new bad guy.
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Maybe the originals' grandkids... 70-year-olds don't have 20-something kids.
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Maybe the originals' grandkids... 70-year-olds don't have 20-something kids.
2015 - 1983 = 32 years
Why is it so unrealistic that Han & Leia and Luke & mystery woman (I won't say Mara Jade anymore since she could be negated by the ST) waited 5-7 years after the events of Return of the Jedi to have kids? If they did, the first born would be 27 years old at the start of the movie and would still very much be considered a 20-something. 20-something doesn't have to mean 20 or 21.
Personally I'd welcome a movie that, while always aimed also at kids, I hope kids/teens on the big screen take a back seat to adults.
The caveat to that though is that out of any director in Hollywood, Abrams is someone I would trust with directing kids in a movie - while the plot of Super 8 wasn't all that great, the acting on the part of the kids in that movie was fantastic and even if just ONE of the offspring of the Solo/Skywalkers has a kid themselves, if that kid is handled in the same way the kids in Super 8 were handled, we'll be just fine.
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2015 - 1983 = 32 years
Why is it so unrealistic that Han & Leia and Luke & mystery woman (I won't say Mara Jade anymore since she could be negated by the ST) waited 5-7 years after the events of Return of the Jedi to have kids? If they did, the first born would be 27 years old at the start of the movie and would still very much be considered a 20-something. 20-something doesn't have to mean 20 or 21.
Leia would be having her first kid at 40 then (and Han 54). Sure medical science was better in the Star Wars universe, but you must admit having kids that late isn't typical. Especially for women.
Maybe Leia just froze some embryos in carbonite so she could focus on her career...
I think of it this way... Luke Skywalker is a hero - like Lincoln. Did amazing things. Made history. Saved humanity.
Nobody gives one damn about Lincoln's kids.
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Lincoln saved humanity? Hate to tell you but that vampire hunter movie was fiction.
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This is still the fictional Star Wars universe, right? Who says people can't have kids at 40, 50, or 60 in George's galaxy? Hell, we don't even know the average life span for anyone outside of Yoda.
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2015 - 1983 = 32 years
Why is it so unrealistic that Han & Leia and Luke & mystery woman (I won't say Mara Jade anymore since she could be negated by the ST) waited 5-7 years after the events of Return of the Jedi to have kids? If they did, the first born would be 27 years old at the start of the movie and would still very much be considered a 20-something. 20-something doesn't have to mean 20 or 21.
Leia would be having her first kid at 40 then (and Han 54). Sure medical science was better in the Star Wars universe, but you must admit having kids that late isn't typical. Especially for women.
Maybe Leia just froze some embryos in carbonite so she could focus on her career...
I think of it this way... Luke Skywalker is a hero - like Lincoln. Did amazing things. Made history. Saved humanity.
Nobody gives one damn about Lincoln's kids.
I think you are getting way to hung up on the actors' ages instead of the in universe age. If the ST is set 30 years after ROTJ, then Luke and Leia will be ~52 and Han will be ~62. If you follow the EU for the birth of the Solo kids, they would be in their mid 20's 33 ABY since the twins were born during the Thrawn novels which were five years after ROTJ. Ben Skywalker was born a lot later than that. I am assuming the EU will be essentially wiped out by the ST, so I doubt it will be the same set of kids, but it certainly isn't unrealistic for the second generation to be around the same age Luke, Leia and Han were in the OT if the ST is set approximately 30 years after ROTJ to coincide with the actual passage of time in the real world.
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I guess I should have also stated that in ANH - Luke & Leia are supposed to be 19 years old. Another three years pass between ANH and ESB so that makes them both 22 at the time of ESB. ROTJ supposedly only takes place 1 year after ESB so that means they would be 23 years old in ROTJ.
Han was 29 years old in ANH which means in ROTJ he's 33 - ten years older than Leia.
Even if Leia didn't have kids for ten years after ROTJ, it would still mean she had her first kid at 33 years old (Han would be 43). Last time I checked, women have kids that this age all the time w/o any problem whatsoever.
So setting the ST 30 years after ROTJ means that when they start, the ages of the main three characters are:
Luke - 53
Leia - 53
Han - 63
And the ages of the actors in 2015:
Mark Hamill - 64
Carrie Fisher - 59
Harrison Ford - 73
With the help of makeup and movie magic, I have no doubt that Hamill and Ford can be made to look like they're playing characters only a mere 10 years younger than their actual ages. Considering that in 1977, a 57 year old Obi-Wan Kenobi was portrayed by a 63 year old Alec Guiness and NO ONE seems to mind, I don't think another four years is that much of a stretch.
And Fisher is only 6 years older than Leia would be at the time, so again, not enough of an age difference to get so upset about.
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I'm not so upset about whether it's feasible to juggle around the numbers so they can make the Skywalker kids young enough for them to be marketable. On that front, I'm more concerned about how stupid it's going to look for old actors who haven't aged well trotting around their young, dashing "children."
My bigger fear is that they're going to be up on the screen, and it's going to be sad and pathetic. Like Star Trek V. Actors who can no longer cut it in the roles they once made famous. Self-parody. Unintentional laughter. "I didn't know they made Jedi robes in XXXXXL!" Does anything in the post-ROTJ careers of Hamill or Fisher inspire ANY confidence in you that they can still pull off Luke and Leia? Yes - Hamill is a great voice actor, playing over-the-top psychopaths. And he seems like a nice guy in real life. But his acting wasn't well-regarded even back when the Original Trilogy was filmed. He's been in virtually nothing since. That doesn't lend itself well to improved chops.
If they're added in a cameo it'll be all "aw... look how old everyone got." If they're instrumental to the proceedings, it'll be forced and torturous. I can't envision any scenario where this goes well.
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Outside of Ford, do you really think the younger versions were all that talented in the first place? I can't even watch the "You're not my father" or "I wanted to go into Toshi Station" lines without chuckling a little. I'm not worried about the older actors losing their mojo because I don't think they had much mojo to begin with. Everyone mostly places the part straight outside of Han and Yoda, so if they can just deliver their lines I think they'll be fine.
Star Wars has always been more about the visuals and the story with a lot less focus on the acting (I'm looking at you Hayden and Natalie). I'll be happy if we can just get a good story and a believable hand off to the next generation. Some improved acting from the younger characters would be icing on the cake.
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Star Wars has always been more about the visuals and the story with a lot less focus on the acting (I'm looking at you Hayden and Natalie).
Not to stir up another hornet's nest, but I'm convinced that what performances we got out of Hayden and Natalie were a product of 20% their own doing, and 80% bad directing. Lucas got LUCKY with ANH and like you pointed out things like "But I wanted to pick up some power converters whine whine whine" is pretty bad - we just forgive it because most of us look back at ANH through a VERY thick pair of rose colored glasses.
I have seen both Hayden (Life as a House) and Natalie (Black Swan) turn in performances that were great. In fact, if I were to pick their WORST performances EVER, it would be their performances in the Star Wars prequels.
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Agreed on the front, Pete. Natalie Portman is a great actress who flirts with brilliance. The emotion she can convey with a look or gesture is something to behold. Even when she was a kid in "The Professional" and "Beautiful Girls" she was really, really good. "Garden State" - awesome. "Black Swan" - unmatched, absolute perfection.
I'd attribute her failure in the Prequels 70% to bad directing and 30% to atrocious writing.
We'll see what Abrams can do. The first new Trek wasn't horrible. Decent popcorn flick. But the plot was a mess, and it was pretty empty. I've read mixed-to-negative reactions to the second. I don't know if I've seen any of his projects where he's gotten really great performances from marginal actors.
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I've mentioned elsewhere in another thread I think the concern with the actors ages is overstated. It's one thing if you want Luke to remain as you last saw him. Ok. But if the concern is that they're too old fat whatever other hang up someone has, please. Alec Guinness was old. Out of shape. Now mark Hamill may not be Alec Guinness but he is Luke ******* skywalker.
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The actor who played Jabba the Hutt in ROTJ was old, bald and morbidly obese.
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We'll see what Abrams can do. The first new Trek wasn't horrible. Decent popcorn flick. But the plot was a mess, and it was pretty empty. I've read mixed-to-negative reactions to the second. I don't know if I've seen any of his projects where he's gotten really great performances from marginal actors.
That I blame on Damon Lindelof. That guy is the most over-hyped "writer" going. He should change his name to McGuffin.
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Even if Leia didn't have kids for ten years after ROTJ, it would still mean she had her first kid at 33 years old (Han would be 43). Last time I checked, women have kids that this age all the time w/o any problem whatsoever.
Thank you!! I didn't even get married until I was 33, had my first child at 36 and my second child at 40. Women have babies after 40 quite often.
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Even though it's possible that we could see the Skywalker and/or Solo kids in the movies, I think everyone may be sticking with the (possibly incorrect) assumption that ANYTHING we know about the EU will, in any way, be used or even kept as we move forward into these new films.
While I like some parts of the EU, there's so much contradictory stuff out there, some generated by new EU stories and some by Lucas himself as he made the prequels and The Clone Wars, that I won't be surprised if they dump all of it. Or most of it, and start over with a clean slate.
I would like to see Fisher, Hamill and Ford at least have cameos in VII to kind of pass the torch, but them move past that and not see them again in the new trilogy. But I don't really want any of them to be part of the main plot.
No matter what they end up doing, I have to be honest, I'm not really looking forward to these new films. I'm especially not looking forward to a film every year.
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there is so much speculation about what *will* happen vs what us fans *want* to happen. I can definitely see Luke/Leia/Han as realistically older versions of themselves with their respective children - Jacen/Jaina/Anakin Solo and Ben Skywalker. As long as the actors cast are halfway decent and JJ can write a decent story and dialogue, I think we'll all be 'relatively' happy with it.
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As long as the actors cast are halfway decent and JJ can write a decent story and dialogue, I think we'll all be 'relatively' happy with it.
Well, not everyone...
No matter what they end up doing, I have to be honest, I'm not really looking forward to these new films. I'm especially not looking forward to a film every year.
Why? ???
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No matter what they end up doing, I have to be honest, I'm not really looking forward to these new films. I'm especially not looking forward to a film every year.
Why? ???
Because I was content to think that we had the "whole" story according to Lucas. That from here on out we would have the Clone Wars, for some period of time, a live action TV show (also from Lucas) and that everything else fell into the EU which I could largely ignore since my opinion has always been that if it wasn't in a film from George, it didn't really "count."
Now we have a new trilogy plus some other one-off films, which may or may not have much input from Lucas, that will be considered (at least for the trilogy) canon. Love him or hate him, the six films plus The Clone Wars all came from Lucas and his vision. Now, we have someone else doing it and I can't seem to get excited for it.
Did I like Abrams' Star Trek? Yes. But other than character names, it didn't feel a lot like the Star Trek that I grew up loving; which was mostly created while Gene Roddenberry was still involved. The Original Series, Next Generation, the movies up to The Voyage Home (The Final Frontier was an exception), even Deep Space 9 which came on the heels of Next Gen. Most of the stuff through the rest of the 90's and 2000's? Varying degrees of crap. So Abrams may have given me a good movie, but the fact it was Star Trek was almost incidental.
I'm worried I'm going to feel the same way about future SW films.
And from a strictly collecting standpoint? I'm out. There are still things that I'd like to see made to be purchased, but even thinking about collecting stuff from these new films leaves me shaky. I don't have the room, don't want to invest the money and from the work side of things, can't imagine what it's going to be like trying to cover it for a collecting website. That thought alone is almost so overwhelming that I'm seriously thinking about either closing my whole site or moving to a straight pop culture site, covering everything, so that I don't feel that I have to cover everything.
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Fair enough, but I still don't understand why you wouldn't be looking forward to new flicks. You have a no lose scenario with your approach IMO: Either they knock it out of the park with some great new movies/characters and you really enjoy it OR the new movies suck and you continue to think of the new stuff as EU based. It isn't a "George Movie" just like Clone Wars, Novels, Video Games, etc., so you're free to ignore it if you like and the biggest harm for you is that maybe you wasted $10 on a movie ticket. I don't see a downside...
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If they're awful they tarnish the brand. The Prequels did that to the OT.
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If they're awful they tarnish the brand. The Prequels did that to the OT.
Hmnn. Not for me. That's like saying Cinnamon Toast Crunch doesn't taste as good now that they released Peanut Butter Toast Crunch. Or the Ford Mustang somehow became less cool once they released the Ford Fiesta. It really is okay to like one and not the other.
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Saying that Lucas "finished the story" isn't entirely true. No matter how many times he has denied it, Lucas stated in the past that he had planned twelve or nine movies in the saga, depending on when he did some interviews. It is pretty well documented that he has stated both before his statements that he only ever planned six movies. Lucas was involved in the Clone Wars cartoon as well. Heck, the articles on the Disney sale said he had story treatments for the sequel trilogy and that he would be a consultant. Honestly, I think that the PT shows that Lucas lost his touch. They were poor stories with poor dialogue for the most part. I don't see how these movies will be any worse than TPM or AOTC.
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I don't see the PT as poor stories, just overly long, drawn out... and poorly directed.
See OCB's idea of how the PT should've gone, which basically condenses 2 and 3, with "The Clone Wars" more or less tucked in as well, to 3 movies... TPM's the odd man out. The rest... not so bad. Not well acted, and shoddy dialogue, but it fits.
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I would call a movie based on political disputes over a trade route a poor story.
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I would call a movie based on political disputes over a trade route a poor story.
Seconded, what an abysmal mess that was.
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I would call a movie based on political disputes over a trade route a poor story.
Seconded, what an abysmal mess that was.
Yet we all loved it and bought every toy related to it.
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I would call a movie based on political disputes over a trade route a poor story.
Seconded, what an abysmal mess that was.
Yet we all loved it and bought every toy related to it.
It wouldn't say everyone loved it. I would attribute a large portion of its success on the fact that it was the first Star Wars movie made in 16 years at the time it was released.
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I would call a movie based on political disputes over a trade route a poor story.
Seconded, what an abysmal mess that was.
Yet we all loved it and bought every toy related to it.
It wouldn't say everyone loved it. I would attribute a large portion of its success on the fact that it was the first Star Wars movie made in 16 years at the time it was released.
Then where was that criticism at the time? For some time, the only thing SW community was outwardly critical of in The Phantom Menace was Jar Jar Binks. And then when Episode II finally came out, THEN the floodgates opened and people were hating on TPM more outwardly.
Personally, I've found the delayed criticism of the prequels to be more objectionable than the movies themselves. And I've always looked at that criticism through the filter of an audience that saw the OT as kids, and they wanted to relive that level of excitement as 20/30/40 somethings. That was never going to happen, and no filmmaker could live up to expectations that high.
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HERE HERE!
Prequel Bashing is SO 2003.
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I would call a movie based on political disputes over a trade route a poor story.
Seconded, what an abysmal mess that was.
Yet we all loved it and bought every toy related to it.
It wouldn't say everyone loved it. I would attribute a large portion of its success on the fact that it was the first Star Wars movie made in 16 years at the time it was released.
Then where was that criticism at the time? For some time, the only thing SW community was outwardly critical of in The Phantom Menace was Jar Jar Binks. And then when Episode II finally came out, THEN the floodgates opened and people were hating on TPM more outwardly.
Personally, I've found the delayed criticism of the prequels to be more objectionable than the movies themselves. And I've always looked at that criticism through the filter of an audience that saw the OT as kids, and they wanted to relive that level of excitement as 20/30/40 somethings. That was never going to happen, and no filmmaker could live up to expectations that high.
Where were you at the time? Movie critics weren't too hot on TPM as I recall. On-line communities were also a lot bigger by AOTC as compared to when TPM came out in 1999 so the hating was as in your face as it was by 2002. Many Star Wars fans weren't pleased with TPM and it just wasn't Jar Jar. One big gripe was that Obi-Wan was Qui-Gon's apprentice and not Yoda's apprentice. Young Ani was pretty universally bashed as well. I was certainly disappointed that the story was poor. I remember sitting in the theater thinking that I hoped the movie got better. It was just an age thing either. Lucas made a poor story. He was much more interested in special effects and digital filming than actually telling a good story. If he had given up some control as he did with ESB and ROTJ, the PT trilogy could have probably been a lot better.
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I would call a movie based on political disputes over a trade route a poor story.
Like I said, see Scott's PT argument... Start with AOTC, ignore TPM... Though TPM's one plot line of trade disputes hardly ruined all plotlines of said movie. IE: Palpatine's manipulation of matters to get to the power seat, etc. There were other elements of that film I'd keep, either for visual purposes, plot purposes, etc. The Pod Racers could've worked just as well with an older Ani as a device to show he had heightened reflexes (could've probably done better even, at that). QGJ's character and storyline, defiance of the council, finding Ani before OWK does, his death, OWK vowing to train Ani, etc...
There are plot lines in TPM that are good too. I forgot about the trade crap immediately after they'd stop talking about it.
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I still fall asleep watching TPM. Its just boring for the most part. Does the plot advance the storyline and answer questions? Absolutely, but its got as many detractors as positives. I like pretty much everything Jesse mentioned, in addition to the "origins" of R2 and C3PO. There are some great pieces there, but I didn't like Jar Jar, trade embargos, midichlorians, Jar Jar, the goofy Anakin saves the day ending, Jar Jar, aliens all talking basic, or Jar Jar. They could have told a much more interesting story with about the same plot minus trade route crap and Jar Jar.
I'm also in the camp of being okay with delayed criticism. I did like the movie more when it first came out just because it was something Star Wars after so many years. They could have made a story about the latrines in a Star Destroyer and I think I would have bought into it back then. But its certainly okay to look back over time now that the PT is complete and have a change of heart.
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Pass on that Tudors guy. I think they can do much better, casting unknowns would be a good way to go even.
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Apparently Lucas started working on the sequel trilogy back in 2011.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=109916 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=109916)
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I've decided I hate Jett Lucas. I hope he stays far away from anything related to Star Wars.
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Seeing quite a few stories around today that JJ Abrams may be back for Episode IX... Wonder why the break for VIII?
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Star Trek III: The Search for More Money
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Star Trek III: The Search for More Money
More money than Star Wars?!?!!
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Seeing quite a few stories around today that JJ Abrams may be back for Episode IX... Wonder why the break for VIII?
Everything I have heard/read said it was just schedule compression. Disney was already up and running pre-production stuff on Ep8 while JJ was still working on finishing Ep7. With only a year and a half between the films (dec 2015 - may 2017) instead of the original two year plan, there wasn't enough time for him to finish one and then start the next.