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Title: NFL Offseason 2004
Post by: Scott on February 27, 2004, 02:55 PM: Debate:

Who's the bigger idiot...Terrell Owens or Jamal Lewis
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on February 27, 2004, 02:58 PM: Quote from: OCB on February 27, 2004, 02:55 PM
Debate:

Who's the bigger idiot...Terrell Owens or Jamal Lewis

TO's agent
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: FX-7 on March 1, 2004, 03:53 PM: LOoks like Portis for Bailey is done...so are the Broncos...IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLAAAAARGH!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 2, 2004, 09:42 AM: Agreed FX7, Portis is the #1 or #2 best RB in the league right now, Denver's letting their propensity to find late round gems get to their heads right now. The Redskins have to be considered a serious threat right now...although their Defense just got a bunch worse...

Denver should have asked for at least a First Round Pick
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: FX-7 on March 2, 2004, 11:27 AM: Just read Manning signed the biggest contract ever, 7 years $134,000,000
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 2, 2004, 11:34 AM: Quote from: FX-7 on March 2, 2004, 11:27 AM
Just read Manning signed the biggest contract ever, 7 years $134,000,000

Doesn't matter, the Pats will still own him this upcoming season. I predict they'll play the first MNF game at the Razor. Manning will watch as the Patriots raise another World Championship banner and then precede to throw five interceptions.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: FX-7 on March 2, 2004, 11:36 AM: Man I am still POd about Portis...that just really sucks. How the hell do they think Griffith will even come close to Portis. Sure he was due big bucks but he deserves it, he's 22 years old and killing everyone. The only knock is he was a little banged up
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 2, 2004, 12:03 PM: Reading the paper today....the Vikings are $33 Million under the Cap for this year...they HAVE to spend $20 million. Which means they could easily sign Kearse or Wistrom, Bobby Taylor and Ian Gold and still have $6-7 million to spend. That was just shocking.

The big question here is...who will they sign to do that???
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 3, 2004, 10:03 AM: Rumors swirling right now here in MN about the possibility of trading Mr Randy Moss...its been talked about all week this week on Sports Radio here...Moss supposedly told someone he wanted out of here

MN has contacted Miami...Miami supposedly offered Sam Madison, Adewale Ogunleye, Chris Chambers and a #1 Pick

I would pull the trigger on that deal in a heartbeat...faster than a heartbeat...MN could then turn around and move up in the draft by packaging their 2 #1's for a higher #1 to try and get either WR Williams (Mike or Roy) or Fitzgerald depending on who goes highest in the draft...Huge upgrades at CB and DE. And Chambers is no slouch at all, in fact he's probably the 2nd best young WR out there right now

I love Moss, don't get me wrong, he's the most talented athlete in the NFL, sure he takes plays off, but he has made some of the most fantastic catches I have ever seen, he takes over games and that is rare for players in the NFL to do. I'd be sad to see him go but really excited with what they get in reutrn
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Reconsgt on March 3, 2004, 10:38 AM: Scott after watching Chambers every week while he was here at UW I will agree with you he is a great young talent and would blossom with the right team. And As a Packer fan I would love to see Moss go to Miami ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Brian on March 3, 2004, 10:54 AM: I just heard that this morning too about Moss being talked about between MN and Miami. Surprising in a way, because he is so talented, but at the same time that package you mentioned Scott would be great for the Vikes I think.

I'm with those who think that Denver is crazy with this trade. Although Bailey is a great CB, Portis is one of the best running backs in the game...and has so much of a career ahead of him yet. Washington is certainly upgrading things over there, could be a team to watch next year.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 3, 2004, 02:14 PM: Management is officially saying these trade rumors are complete BS, they aren't shopping Moss to anyone...I do think teams are talking to them though. Why shouldn't the Vikes listen???
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 3, 2004, 03:18 PM: If a team was offering that much for arguably my best player, I would seriously listen. The chance to upgrade a lot of holes in one fell swoop would be tempting.

It's now a guarantee that the Pats will be looking for a running back in either free agency or the draft - not that that wasn't the case before - but with Faulk not being to reach a deal, all three of their RBs - Faulk, Smith and Cloud - are now free agents. The best fit in Charlie Weis' system would probably be Charlie Garner from Oakland.

And they also couldn't reach a deal with Big Ted Washington and who is now a free agent.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 3, 2004, 04:26 PM: Eagles just signed Kearse...m'eh, he's great for about 6-9 games and then he gets hurt or worn down...I heard today in the last 7 games (inlcuding playoffs) he had 10 tackles and 0 sacks...I'd rather have Wistrom
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 4, 2004, 07:14 AM: Quote from: OCB on March 3, 2004, 04:26 PM
Eagles just signed Kearse...m'eh, he's great for about 6-9 games and then he gets hurt or worn down...I heard today in the last 7 games (inlcuding playoffs) he had 10 tackles and 0 sacks...I'd rather have Wistrom

Yeah, but he's a big upgrade to what they have. A pass rushing lineman was one of their immediate needs. Now if they can sign a big free agent WR (TO?) they upgrade their most pressing need. And their salary cap situation is excellent.

Well it was one and done for big Ted. He signed a 4 year / $14 million deal with the Raiders. Sad to see him go. I know the Pats didn't offer him nearly that much (3 years / $8 million) but why after winning the SB sign with a team that appears to be going no where fast? Money, I guess and the Raiders new D coordinator was an assistant last year with the Pats, but I figured he would want to be competitive in the final years of his career.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Paul on March 4, 2004, 09:32 AM: Quote from: OCB on March 3, 2004, 02:14 PM
Management is officially saying these trade rumors are complete BS, they aren't shopping Moss to anyone...

Well that would seem to confirm that he is gone. Oh wait sorry I'm still thinking about Tom Hicks and A-Rod.

I'll have to say this is a pretty lively Free Agency already just 36 hours into it.

Either that or in the last few years the Cowboys have had ZERO cap room so I just tuned it out.

I just hope we get a Quarterback. Now that it looks like we have a receiver big enough and with guts enough to go across the middle, it would be nice to extend his playing life by having a QB that could throw the ball in front of him, instead of behind him.

And of course not to get picky, but I'm not to thrilled with the prospect of Drew Henson, we already have a failed baseball player who wants to be a QB in Hutchinson and he can't even beat out Quincy....

What scares me is the amount of $$ all our Division Opponents are spending. If it was Spurrier in Washington, I would just be laughing, but at least Joe Gibbs knows what a Pro System looks like.

And on a final note....Indianapolis has bankrupt their future on a Choke artist. I cry for the memory of Johnny Unitis and for the current Career of Ricky Williams (formerly of Texas Tech not the Dreadlocked freak from UT)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2004, 09:44 AM: The Redskins should remember 1999 when they blew loads of cash and got absolutely nothin'...Brunell is washed up. They stole Portis though and by signing Springs have an adequate replacement for Bailey

Bears signed Thomas Jones...I'm sure the A-Train is happy about that one

Heard a couple of rumors that were intriguing...

TO to Philly or Balt (Philly would be scary if they get TO although their D is getting hit bad losing Vincent and Taylor)

Charlie Garner to Denver...that would be a great fit too
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 4, 2004, 09:58 AM: Quote from: OCB on March 4, 2004, 09:44 AM

Heard a couple of rumors that were intriguing...

TO to Philly or Balt (Philly would be scary if they get TO although their D is getting hit bad losing Vincent and Taylor)

It would hurt, but I don't think it would be devastating. They drafted a couple players in the last few years knowing that Troy, Bobby or both would be leaving. The "young ens" have played some solid ball in place of those two when they were injured.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2004, 01:46 PM: Looks like Keyshawn to the Cowboys might not happen...no way to take on his signing bonus hit and Galloway's contract...and sign Garcia and Sapp... ::)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2004, 04:14 PM: TO goes to Baltimore for a 2nd Round Pick...Hey MN you needed a receiver didn't you...a Second Round Pick, are you kidding me! Shakes head in disgust
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 7, 2004, 11:52 PM: Now TO says he wants to go to Philly, they had a deal worked out and everything. I think SF really screwed him on that one, I don't blame them though, why would they trade him to someone in the NFC???
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 8, 2004, 03:17 PM: Mikey...you've probably seen Antoine Winfield play more than anyone else here since he was in the AFC East and Buffalo...got an opinion on him. The Vikes sure are high on him, but 6 picks in 5 years seems pretty low for a CB...they say he's got hands of stone as well :-[
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 8, 2004, 03:23 PM: I don't know too much about him but they say he's the second best CB on the market behind Champ Bailey. I think Miami was after him too and being in the same division, they would know what type of player he is. Might be a good fit for the Vikes. What they give up for him?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 8, 2004, 03:28 PM: 6 Years $35 million, $13 million signing bonus...part of the reason they say his interceptions are so low is that he rarely gets thrown at...anyone is better than Denard Walker or Ken Irvin who they had playing in rotation last year. Vikes are still $22 under the cap for next year...too bad they didn't make a push for Wistrom, kearse or TO :-\

I'd like to see them go after Darrell Jackson too
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 8, 2004, 03:36 PM: He did sign? It wasn't Miami, but the Jets who were after him. Apparently they had a deal in principle (6 years, $30 million) but Winfield backed out.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 8, 2004, 03:40 PM: Yeah he signed on Friday, the Jets had him all but locked up on Thursday night, he came to MN anyway and signed by Friday afternoon
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Jeff on March 8, 2004, 03:42 PM: Quote from: OCB on March 8, 2004, 03:40 PM
Yeah he signed on Friday, the Jets had him all but locked up on Thursday night, he came to MN anyway and signed by Friday afternoon

I read on espn.com that his wife didn't want to move to Long Island and that they liked MN better because all the snow on Friday reminded them of Buffalo. Maybe that was his "make-nice" with the press though...

Jeff
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Paul on March 9, 2004, 12:01 PM: Somebody poke me with a stick when Dallas actually does something in the offseason. GEEEZZ, I realize Jeff Garcia is not the answer to our QB problems but this is a multiple choice question where you have to pick the "MOST CORRECT" answer. I am writing a letter now telling Jerry to just let the RB's take direct snaps for the 2004 season to alleviate any Quincy factor, oh wait, we don't have an RB either do we? In a Free Agent season when only the Giants in our division are doing less....and I thought that this would be the year to see Parcells do something.

Somebody wake me up when training camp starts, I'll use last years program, its not like there will be any additions. UGH.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on March 9, 2004, 01:55 PM: We'll still get Keyshawn. We're way under the cap. The Bucs are just going to cut him. With Keyshawn, we can afford to cut Galloway before his signing bonus kicks in. Galloway was a failed bit. He showed signs of greatness but showed no consistency. He's a really nice guy and a team player (which he didn't have that rep before he got here) but Parcells would rather have that big possession receiver than the speedy guy who drops alot of bombs, anyway.

Keyshawn will have a star on his helmet, soon. He's already closing the deal on a house here.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 10, 2004, 12:28 PM: Garcia to the Browns is interesting, I think it just cements the fact that the 49ers are going to be awful next year

Vikes signed Marcus Robinson to line up with Moss, nice pick up, still need an DE and LB, they are talking about those two for the draft, we also really need a Kicker...all of these signings mean jack **** if the dude can't make 40 yard field goals
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Paul on March 13, 2004, 08:41 AM: Hey Dallas got a guy who quit baseball and hasn't taken a snap in 4 years.

I know what you are thinking, "wait, they already have the failed bit of Chad Hutchinson"

I guess Dallas is playing the averages, now they have Drew Henson. Maybe he'll be playing in NFL Europe too. I am sure the signing was merely to make us fans all feel better about Quincy.

I think they are going to get Nolan Ryan to play running back.

I don't know what I expected, but I guess I expected more.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 16, 2004, 01:22 PM: Owens whines his way into Philly! Great pick up for the Eagles, I love TO as a player, McNabb finally has a legitimate WR, wow they might be scary this year
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 16, 2004, 01:35 PM: Finally looks like the Eagles are taking the right step. They have had plenty of cap room in the past few years and didn't do anything with it. The question now is it a little too late?

They might also both their starting cornerbacks as Troy Vincent signed with Buffalo and Bobby Taylor is an UFA. Like I said earlier, I think the young players can step up and take their place, but their leadership is top notch.

Chalk me up as another who loves TO as a player and most of his antics are pretty amusing. As a lifelong Cowboy hater, his "disrespecting" of the Star was great as was his Sharpie and pom pom celebrations.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on March 18, 2004, 03:00 PM: As a lifelong Cowboy fan, Mikey D, I'm thinking of a finger...

TO is bad for the NFL. Yes, he's good, but he sucks as a person. I'm not looking forward to seeing him twice a year. At least Kearse will probably be injured by the time the Eagles and Cowboys play. He's ALWAYS injured.

If Henson had commited to the NFL draft, he would have been the first player taken. He can hold a clipboard for a year and start in 2005.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 18, 2004, 03:18 PM: Quote from: SPIDERLEGS on March 18, 2004, 03:00 PM
As a lifelong Cowboy fan, Mikey D, I'm thinking of a finger...

Real classy. I won't waste my time with a response.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on March 18, 2004, 07:20 PM: Oh, come on. That was funny. We're talking about sports, not religion or anything. Lighten up!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: JediMAC on March 18, 2004, 07:57 PM: Yeah, Spidey was just kidding there Mikey. You hate the Cowboys, he loves 'em. You can both give eachother the finger and call it even... ;)

But my finger from "The Snowjob" still stands of course. ;D

Hell, I've given more fingers out around here than... well... what has a LOT of fingers? I dunno, but I've given them to OCB, Morgbug, chuckles, Nick, etc., etc. If you ain't a Laker/Ram/Raider/Dodger/Angel/Kings/Ducks/Clippers :-[/UCLA fan, then I have a standing finger extended throughout every sports season to the whole lotta you! :-*
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on March 18, 2004, 08:44 PM: Now THERE'S one of my own kind...well, except for those lousy teams you root for... ;D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 19, 2004, 07:32 AM: Quote from: JediMAC on March 18, 2004, 07:57 PM
You can both give eachother the finger and call it even... ;)

Fair enough.

(http://www.realmagazine.com/new/graphics/cashfinger.jpg) Thanks to Billy for the pic

And that goes to the following teams: Yankees, Mets, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, Giants, Yankees, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Cowboys, Redskins, Rams, Raiders, and the Yankees.

And here's something I like to see at least once this year:

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p50b3116ddc3ef5c57f42c63e97a3ced4/f94cb560.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 21, 2004, 11:13 AM: The fat, loud mouth over rated piece of sh!t ass clown Warren Sapp signed with the Raiders. Looks like the trend of hiring over the hill players continues. He was close to signing with Cinncy, but then finally realized how much he sucks in cold weather and decided to go to a warm weather team, where he won't quite suck as much.

John Lynch is reportedly close to signing with the Broncos, after thinking about the Jets, Pats and Colts.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on March 21, 2004, 11:39 AM: Quote from: Mikey D on March 19, 2004, 07:32 AM
Quote from: JediMAC on March 18, 2004, 07:57 PM
You can both give eachother the finger and call it even... ;)

Fair enough.

(http://www.realmagazine.com/new/graphics/cashfinger.jpg) Thanks to Billy for the pic

See, Johnny Cash would NEVER flip me off.

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And here's something I like to see at least once this year:

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p50b3116ddc3ef5c57f42c63e97a3ced4/f94cb560.jpg)

Nice Photoshop (not!). TO will have a season ending injury in training camp. It couldn't happen to a more deserving chump!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: jokabofe on March 21, 2004, 01:50 PM: Quote from: Mikey D on March 19, 2004, 07:32 AM
(http://www.realmagazine.com/new/graphics/cashfinger.jpg) Thanks to Billy for the pic

And that goes to the following teams: Yankees, Mets, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, Giants, Yankees, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Cowboys, Redskins, Rams, Raiders, and the Yankees.

i take it you're not a yankee fan, eh? according to my count... 4 fingers for me (yankees x3) :P - but it must be hard being a red sox fan and coming soooo close, year in, year out, year after year, decade after decade.

my hero (circa 1986):
(http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/pg2/2001/1008/photo/c_buckner_i.jpg)

_{disclaimer: please don't get pissed off, i'm just joking around}
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 22, 2004, 07:11 AM: Its tough, but then football season starts and I get over it.

Last year was about as evenly matched as you could get and I expect more of the same this year. Hopefully, the Red Sox come on top this year.

Aaron effing Boone >:(
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Paul on March 22, 2004, 11:01 PM: Hey Mikey D, what is the deal with the NE coach and Ty Law? I saw him on a talkshow and they had the lead in where he was talking serious smack, but I had to leave. Not that Dallas needs another DB, but he seems good.

ANd has Denver quietly had a very busy Off-Season. Lynch signed with them today.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on March 23, 2004, 06:55 AM: Its all about the money right now with Ty Law.

There's a good article in today's Boston Globe that will tell the story better than I can.

Ty Law story (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/03/23/talking_himself_in_deeper/)

I like him as a player, but his attitude is starting to piss me off. I guess two rings is good enough for him and now he wants the money, which the Pats aren't willing to pay. And who can argue with the way Kraft, Belichick and Pioli run that team? Nobody, because that way produced two of the last three Super Bowl Champions.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: FX-7 on March 23, 2004, 01:29 PM: Broncos signed Lynch! Great pick up by the Broncs, doesn't make up for losing Portis though. Still might be able to get Dillon...if they do, we did upgrade this offseason
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 25, 2004, 12:13 PM: Bailey and Lynch in the backfield, you're right Len, if the Broncos pick up a RB they are a ton better than last year.

Rams signed Chris Chandler...I wonder what that means for Kurt Warner??? That whole thing is totally messed up, he was the MVP for cripes sakes 2 years ago, he's still got it, it wasn't his fault his O-Line was as porous as a strainer in the only game he played last year. I hope he signs with the 49ers and beeeotches the hell out of the Rams twice a year. The Chargers and Raiders seem interested in him...I'd make a deal or wait for him to be cut. Mike Martz...thanks for continuing to be an idiot
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on March 30, 2004, 12:34 PM: Colts Patriots will be the first game of the year 9/9/04...GB plays Monday night, the Vikes/Cowboys will be the National game on Sunday. I'm giddy with excitement already
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on April 19, 2004, 04:52 PM: Dillon to the Patriots for a second round pick...that's a steal

Plus it sounds like the underclassmen might be inillegible after all
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on April 20, 2004, 01:36 AM: Hello, my name is Mike Martz...I am an idiot

Rams to Release Warner (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=1785927)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on April 20, 2004, 08:32 PM: Quote from: OCB on April 19, 2004, 04:52 PM
Dillon to the Patriots for a second round pick...that's a steal

Plus it sounds like the underclassmen might be inillegible after all

Excellent pick up. Playing in Cinncy during all those losing years will make most people develop an "attitude" problem. His work ethic is there and Belichick knows how to motivate. Plus he has a real good shot at winning a Super Bowl. Last year people were saying Rodney Harrison wasn't worth it, blah, blah, blah. What did he do? Had arguably the best year of his career and won a SB. I expect similar things from Dillon.

And don't forgot, the Pats still have two #1s, a 2nd, 3rd and two #4s (I believe). They've set themselves up nicely for the long haul.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 21, 2004, 03:03 PM: The Patriots will find out what Cincy has known all along: Dillon is a locker room cancer. I was afraid the Cowboys might sign him. Apparently Parcells doesn't think much of the 30 year old malcontent. He may work out for the Pats. But realistically, look for about 600 yds after some injuries and complaints about # of carries.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on April 22, 2004, 12:38 AM: Quote from: SPIDERLEGS on April 21, 2004, 03:03 PM
The Patriots will find out what Cincy has known all along: Dillon is a locker room cancer. I was afraid the Cowboys might sign him. Apparently Parcells doesn't think much of the 30 year old malcontent. He may work out for the Pats. But realistically, look for about 600 yds after some injuries and complaints about # of carries.
Wha??? He's been a stud every year except this last one due to injuries and the emergence of Rudi Johnson. I'm sticking with the fact that the Patriots got a steal and now have a legitimate RB to pair with what may be the best QB post Beth Farve

1200 Yards 9 TD's...easily
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on April 22, 2004, 02:18 PM: Draft this weekend. SOunds like the Chargers and Giants will be trading with the Giants taking Eli Manning...

Lots of choices for the Vikes...they need a LB, WR or DE...all of which I would think they would take in the first 3 rounds. A Kicker would be keen too, but not until round 4 or so
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Paul on April 22, 2004, 04:35 PM: I'd love to see the day that a kicker was sooo good that he got some 1st day draft excitement.....

Now to Eli Manning. He is now on my list of whiny people that I hope nothing but failure for. I will laugh my butt off if/when the San Diego Chargers get to the Super Bowl before he does. I will refer to him as Eric Lindros from now on.....
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on April 22, 2004, 04:54 PM: Quote from: pmundheim on April 22, 2004, 04:35 PM
I'd love to see the day that a kicker was sooo good that he got some 1st day draft excitement.....

You must have been sleeping that day a few years ago

(http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/OL22JANIKOWSKI.jpg)

1st Round, 17th Pick by Oakland Raiders ::)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2004, 05:41 PM: Quote from: OCB on April 22, 2004, 04:54 PM
Quote from: pmundheim on April 22, 2004, 04:35 PM
I'd love to see the day that a kicker was sooo good that he got some 1st day draft excitement.....

You must have been sleeping that day a few years ago

(http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/OL22JANIKOWSKI.jpg)

1st Round, 17th Pick by Oakland Raiders ::)

And what a great waste of a 1st rounder he ended up being too...
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Paul on April 22, 2004, 10:20 PM: I must have...but it couldn't be too exciting if I didn't remember it. Well good for him, perhaps I should rephrase and say I'd like to see the HYPE factor over which kicker will get picked first on day one....

Oh and the latest news on Eli Manning is that he will sit out the 2004 season if he is chosen by the Chargers....I'd love to see a rule that said if these overpaid whiners did that, then they could go get real jobs like the rest of us...oh wait, only a small percentage actually have degrees and real jobs...

Besides what do these guys think "Draft" means? If he didn't want to play for San Diego he should have "tanked" the combine...I wonder what Vanderjagt thinks of this Manning....
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 23, 2004, 12:03 PM: Look for the Cowboys to draft the VERY underrated Chris Perry.

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Position: Running Back

School: Michigan

Status: Senior

Height: 6-1

Weight: 228

40-Yard Dash: 4.55

Positives: Chris Perry is a shifty runner, but he can also run with power. He has good size, quickness, and speed, and he picks up yardage after contact. He has good vision and instincts for finding the hole. He possesses good cut-back ability, catches the ball well in the flat, and is a solid blocker. He's tough in short-yardage situations.

Negatives: Perry is one of the most complete backs in the draft, but he does not have breakaway speed. There are also concerns that because he has played behind very good lines his entire college career, he might not be quite as good as he has looked at Michigan.

Projection: He is probably not a franchise back, but he is a solid football player. He will most likely be a second-round selection, but he could slip into the end of the first.

They said the same thing about Emmitt Smith when he came out, especially the part about not enough break away speed or that he could not be a franchise back. The vision they talk about was the key to Emmitt's success in the NFL. Well, and the fact Emmitt played behind one of the most dominant lines in history.

If Perry is not available, look for the Cowboys to draft an OL, possibly Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas, unless Kenechi Udeze, DE, U.S.C. drops (he has been dropping lately).
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2004, 04:11 PM: Quote from: SPIDERLEGS on April 23, 2004, 12:03 PM
If Perry is not available, look for the Cowboys to draft an OL, possibly Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas, unless Kenechi Udeze, DE, U.S.C. drops (he has been dropping lately).

Udeze was dropping in part to FALSE rumors about him having a problem with his shoulder. I was under the impression that he is still projected a top ten pick.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on April 23, 2004, 05:03 PM: Pat Tillman killed in Afghanistan (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4815441/?GT1=3256)

Sad news. Here's a guy who turned down millions to serve his country.

RIP Pat and thank you for protecting my freedom.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Paul on April 24, 2004, 12:38 PM: Hey Eli Lindros-Manning.....where's the hat?

The only way to stink this draft up anymore would be for somebody to trade all their draft picks for then next 10 years for Troy Hambrick, but I did hear that Minnesota was interested.... ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 24, 2004, 12:44 PM: Quote from: Kneel Before Zod on April 23, 2004, 04:11 PM
Udeze was dropping in part to FALSE rumors about him having a problem with his shoulder. I was under the impression that he is still projected a top ten pick.

Oh, I agree. I really don't think he'll be available, but I watched an ESPN show with some guys OTHER than Mel Kiper (why does Mel Kiper have this job, he's not very good at it), and they were projecting him to fall at around 16 or 17. The Cowboys have been known to trade up if they thought they could get someone worthwhile. If someone with a pick in the teens wants to trade down, 22 isn't that far down, and they would pick up an extra pick. If they traded with Dallas, and if Udeze is still available at that level, we'll take him.

Again, the point is fairly moot, as I am not of the opinion he will drop that far out of the top 10 if he does at all.

I LOVE draft day!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 24, 2004, 12:48 PM: The 2004 NFL Draft (1st Round)

(http://espn.starwave.com/media/nfl/2004/0424/photo/a_manningtags_vt.jpg)

01. San Diego Chargers - Eli Manning, QB, Miss. (traded to NY Giants)
02. Oakland Raiders - Robert Gallery OL, Iowa
03. Arizona Cardinals - Larry Fitzegerald, WR, Pitt
04. NY Giants - Philip Rivers, QB, NC St (traded to San Diego Chargers)
05. Washington Redskins - Sean Taylor, S, Miami Fl.
06. Cleveland Browns (trade w/Detroit) - Kellen Winslow II, TE, Miami Fl.
07. Detroit Lions - Roy Williams, WR, Texas
08. Atlanta Falcons - Deangelo Hall, CB, Virg. Tech
09. Jacksonville Jaguars - Reggie Williams, WR, Wash
10. Houston Texans - Dunta Robinson, CB, S. Carolina
11. Pittsburgh Steelers - Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Mia.-Oh.
12. NY Jets - Jonathan Vilma, LB, Miami Fl.
13. Buffalo Bills - Lee Evans, WR, Wisc.
14. Chicago Bears - Tommy Harris, DT, OU
15. Tampa Bay - Michael Clayton, WR, LSU
16. Philadelphia Eagles (trade w/49ers) - Shawn Andrews, OT, Ark
17. Denver Broncos - DJ Williams, LB, Miami Fl.
18. New Orleans Saints - Will Smith, DE, Ohio St.
19. Miami Dolphins (trade w/Vikings) - Vernon Carey, G, Miami Fl.
20. Minnesota Vikings (trade w/Dolphins) - Keneche Udeze, DE, USC
21. New England Patriots - Vince Wilfork, DL, Miami Fl.
22. Buffalo Bills (trade w/ Dallas) - JP Losman, QB, Tulane
23. Seattle Seahawks - Marcus Tubbs, DT, Texas
24. St Louis Rams (trade w/Bengals) - Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon ST.
25. Green Bay Packers - Ahmad Carroll, DB, Ark.
26. Cincinatti Bengals (trade w/Rams) - Chris Perry, RB, Mich.
27. Houston Texans (trade w/Titans) - Jason Babin, LB, W. Mich.
28. Carolina Panthers (trade w/49ers) - Chris Gamble, DB, Ohio St.
29. Atlanta Falcons (trade w/Colts) - Michael Jenkins, WR, Ohio St.
30. Detroit Lions (trade w/Chiefs) - Kevin Jones, RB, V. Tech
31. San Francisco 49ers (trade w/Panthers) - Rashaun Woods, WR, Ok. St.
32. New England Patriots - Ben Watson, TE, Georgia
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 26, 2004, 03:33 PM: So the Cowboys trade out of the first round this year for Buffalo's first round pick next year. We took Julius Jones (Notre Dame RB) and two offensive linemen who both played for national champions. I'm not thrilled with Jones, but Parcells really likes the guy and he knows oceans of more football than I do. Trust in Bill.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on May 3, 2004, 04:47 PM: I haven't commented on the Vikes draft yet but I think they did excellent in picking up some Defensive needs especially Udeze and conning the Dolphins out of 4th Rounder to move down one spot

Michele Tafoya will be replacing the idiot Lisa Guerrero on the sidelines of MNF. Michele started her career here on the local Sports Radio Station (KFAN) and she's been one of my favorites ever since, she knows her sports and she'll be a HUGE upgrade of Lisa "I'm an Idiot" Guerrero

And on a sad note, I saw Melissa Stark doing reports from the Kentucky Derby for NBC...hire her back ABC!!!!!!!!!! We need more Melissa
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Rob on May 3, 2004, 05:02 PM: Under ESPN's most improved teams - my Bucs came in at number 5. The Vikes were ranked at number 7.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1794386
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Jeff on May 3, 2004, 05:13 PM: Dang.

Interesting to note that 3 of the NFC North's Teams were in the top ten there...

1 - Detroit
7 - Vikings
8 - Chicago

So, while the Vikes got better almost everyone else did too :(

At least I can take some solace that the only team not mentioned is the Packers, who might even be worse this year. :)

Jeff
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Rob on May 3, 2004, 06:05 PM: The Packers almost always seem to have rather bland offseasons - then they end up around 9-7 to 11-5 and in the playoffs - only to lose in the first or second round.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Paul on May 3, 2004, 09:25 PM: Quote from: OCB on May 3, 2004, 04:47 PM
...hire her back ABC!!!!!!!!!! We need more Melissa

Something the Viking fans and Cowboy fans can BOTH get behind....
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Rob on May 3, 2004, 10:29 PM: Quote from: pmundheim on May 3, 2004, 09:25 PM
Quote from: OCB on May 3, 2004, 04:47 PM
...hire her back ABC!!!!!!!!!! We need more Melissa

Something the Viking fans and Cowboy fans can BOTH get behind....

Agreed... That Guerrero (or however you spell it) is horrible.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 01:35 PM: How about this rumor...

Collins to Oakland
Gannon to Tampa
Johnson to Baltimore

Makes a lot of sense, Billick gets reunited with Johnson and the Ravens are a legitimate threat in the AFC again...Gannon and Gruden are reunited in Tampa and Collins gets to start in Oakland...win-win-win although Tampa is taking a huge risk with Gannon and his shoulder and ancientness
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on June 3, 2004, 11:32 AM: Giants were able to Sign Warner today...great pick up, stupid move by the Rams. Bulger has done nothing and Warner could have been doing the same thing. Idiots ::)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: jjks on June 6, 2004, 05:45 PM: Vikings have run in with the law, and Randy Moss isn't involved!!! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1816761)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on June 7, 2004, 11:18 AM: Quote
According to the police report, the suspects continued to "kick, punch and stomp on the victim's body and head" after he was knocked unconscious

Quote
Henderson, who recently underwent surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his left knee, is the likely candidate to take over at middle linebacker for Greg Biekert, who retired at the end of last season. Farmer also is recovering from knee surgery. Nattiel is a second-year player who has been practicing with the first team but appears to be a long shot at securing a starting position.

What the hell are these bozos doing stomping somebody with surgically repaired knees? Nice way to represent your community and team, guys ::)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: JediMAC on June 8, 2004, 12:51 AM: Uh-oh. Parcells goofs. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1817592)

Quote
"You've got to keep an eye on those two, because they're going to try to get the upper hand," Parcells said about quarterbacks coach Sean Payton and defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer. "Mike wants the defense to do well, and Sean, he's going to have a few ... no disrespect for the Orientals, but what we call Jap plays. OK. Surprise things."

Bummer seeing my Rams finally part ways with Warner. Those were a few of the greatest offensive years in NFL history watching him pass and Marshall run. What a tandem. Still sucks that they only won 1 Super Bowl through their great run (shut up Mikey! >:() I've been holding out hope that the Rams would put him back in the starting role for one last run at the glory days of old. When that wasn't going to work out, I was hoping my Raiders would pick him up, but they went with assturd Kerry Collins instead, while the Giants scored Warner. Wonder what the means for dumbass Eli out there in N.Y. Hopefully Warner sticks that punk kid's ass on the bench for a solid season or two! 8)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on June 8, 2004, 08:06 AM: Quote from: JediMAC on June 8, 2004, 12:51 AM

Bummer seeing my Rams finally part ways with Warner. Those were a few of the greatest offensive years in NFL history watching him pass and Marshall run. What a tandem. Still sucks that they only won 1 Super Bowl through their great run (shut up Mikey! >:()

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P

St. Louis will not win another SB with dumb **** Martz coaching. Common sense left with Vermeil.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on June 15, 2004, 10:47 AM: Damn, sounds like the Pack signed Couch which I was hoping they wouldn't be able to get done. I think he's played in a crap system in Cleveland and he'll be a good fit for them once Favre finally gets hurt or retires >:(
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on June 28, 2004, 04:02 PM: Brock Lesnar and the NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1830855)

I guarantee the Vikes will bring him to Camp this summer...Imagine the number of Jersey sales Lesnar would bring into a team
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Nicklab on June 28, 2004, 04:50 PM: From reading the article, I'd be surprised if the guy could make an NFL practice squad. He hasn't got any NCAA football experience, and hasn't played since High School. It seems like kind of a longshot to me. He could always go for the CFL or the Arena League. I'm definitely surprised he didn't try to get on any of the NFL Europe rosters. Add in the motorcycle accident injuries, and it doesn't look good to me.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on June 28, 2004, 11:10 PM: He lives here in the cities and is on the local Sports radio Morning show about once a month. That is where he first announced this and he said that he wanted to play for the Vikes. I think in marketing dollars alone he would be worth a practice squad roster spot. I realize he has no real football skills but he also is one of the most insanely agile and strong men I think I have ever seen of his size. With a year of training and playing I really think he could do something in the NFL.

I'd like to see them at least give him a shot
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Nicklab on June 28, 2004, 11:43 PM: I know what you're saying. But I think owners wouldn't necessarily be into him from a marketing standpoint. I definitely think they would catch a lot of flack from their football people. Especially since in this era of NFL parity, almost any team can really compete for the Vince Lombardi trophy.

I definitely think the guy has serious athletic ability. He was an NCAA wrestling national champ, right? But his absence from any kind of organized football since high school is a huge strike against him. I think a route like the Arena league, the CFL or NFL Europe would be the most likely scenario for him before he plays a single down in the NFL. Could he get signed and get invited to an NFL training camp? Possibly, but I would be really surprised to see him make any team's roster.

Now, upon looking at the article, I'm even more unsure about the guy. He'd most likely play DE. Honestly, I think that may be more of a skill position than someone like him is ready for. He would really need to work on his footwork in a big way. There's also a lot more to that position than just pass rushing. It's about reading the offense, and trying to figure out pass versus run. I definitely don't think he'd be a serious pass rush threat to top flight O linemen like Runyon, Pace, Turley or Ogden. I think if he were lighter and faster, he might have more options in playing LB, but he'd need to shed like 30 odd pounds for that.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Jeff on June 29, 2004, 12:14 PM: Quote from: Nicklab on June 28, 2004, 11:43 PM
I know what you're saying. But I think owners wouldn't necessarily be into him from a marketing standpoint. I definitely think they would catch a lot of flack from their football people. Especially since in this era of NFL parity, almost any team can really compete for the Vince Lombardi trophy.

I definitely think the guy has serious athletic ability. He was an NCAA wrestling national champ, right? But his absence from any kind of organized football since high school is a huge strike against him. I think a route like the Arena league, the CFL or NFL Europe would be the most likely scenario for him before he plays a single down in the NFL. Could he get signed and get invited to an NFL training camp? Possibly, but I would be really surprised to see him make any team's roster.

As Scott said, I'd bet he'll end up AT LEAST on the Vikings Practice Squad.

Lesnar:
- Former NCAA Champion and University of Minnesota Alumni
- Constant guest on local Minnesota Spots Talk Radio station

He guy has a HUGE following here for whatever reason. I'd compare this to when Jordan wanted to play baseball. The White Sox were basically forced to give this Jordan a minor league tryout contract or else theyd have to face the wrath of the home-town fans.

I agree with ya that he might not make it in the NFL, and that MOST teams wouldn't even give the guy a look, publicity or not, but here in MN it's a bit of a differnt story. If the Vikings don't give this guy at least a try-out, Mike Tice will be answering questions from the local media about it for the rest of the year. Lesnar's popularity here (MN) is the deciding factor.

One thing you have to take into account is Minnesotan's LOVE of their "own". If you are from here, you are pretty much a lock to be loved here...

Jeff
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on June 29, 2004, 12:20 PM: Also note the NFL increased Practice Squad sizes this year from 5 to 8. I really think they'll give him a shot
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Nicklab on June 29, 2004, 01:31 PM: Teams invite like a hundred guys to camp. I think it's a fair bet that he might get invited. Thing is, he's going to be competing for a roster spot against guys who played Division 1 ball and were undrafted this year, veterans who've been cut by their teams, etc. In terms of football knowledge and skills, he's definitely behind in this race. Besides, doesn Minnesota have enough Prima Donnas in Randy Moss alone?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on June 29, 2004, 01:32 PM: Yeah probably...it will be an interesting summer
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Jeff on July 15, 2004, 02:08 PM: Only two more weeks until training camp.

My dad picked up a few tickets the other day at work, so it looks like we'll be headed to see the Vikes and the Chiefs Practice Scrimmage in August...

Wonder how the Purple will fair having made no major changes in the Defense other than a couple draft picks and a new Def Coordinator... :(

Still time to work something out though. A few goofy Free Agents left out there to sign during camp, right?

Jeff
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on July 19, 2004, 01:52 PM: Quote from: Nataku on July 15, 2004, 02:08 PM
Only two more weeks until training camp.

And only 3 weeks until the Hall of Fame game, the kickoff for the season!

[size=12]Are you ready for some football?!?![/size]
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on July 23, 2004, 05:17 PM: A bittersweet day for Cowboys fans:

URL TextReady For Eddie; Cowboys Sign RB (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=ECC10B7E-B69F-9BD1-B344CF0C758BA6A5)

URL TextBack Surgery To Sideline Woodson (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=ECD730BF-D6B4-D459-826E2E04459985DE)

I wasn't thrilled about the George signing early on--I don't think we have any use for a 3.3 ypc back. But, it sounds like he'll split time with Jones and I want to see why Parcells took Jones over Jackson. We could have taken Jackson and we passed on him, so that must mean Coach thinks Jones has something.

Losing Woodson sucks! At least it's not for the season, but DAMN! It's ironic, but maybe it will help him keep healthy this season by missing camp. He IS after all, an old man, so if he's ready to play by the 3rd or fourth game, then we'll get by. But that means we move Williams over to the strong side and promote Dixon, who is a rather unknown commodity.

Maybe we can find a cap casualty after the first or second cut...
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Holographic Elvis on July 25, 2004, 06:34 PM: Ricky Williams retires from football (and takes the Dolphins Super Bowl hopes with him.)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on July 25, 2004, 11:03 PM: Good thing we haven't drafted here or in my real world Fantasy leagues too. Ricky is one weird dude
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on July 26, 2004, 07:05 PM: Quote from: Holographic Elvis on July 25, 2004, 06:34 PM
Ricky Williams retires from football (and takes the Dolphins Super Bowl hopes with him.)

The Pats repeating as division champs just got a hell of a lot easier. ;D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason '04
Post by: Scott on July 27, 2004, 02:00 PM: Whoop-Dee-Doo! Training Camp starts today!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Diddly on July 27, 2004, 04:04 PM: Hey Scott, did the Vikings really sign that one wrestler?
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on July 27, 2004, 04:10 PM: Yeah that's the rumor going around right now, should be later today

(http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news90/1lesn0728.l.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Nicklab on July 27, 2004, 07:55 PM: Yeah, they've signed him! I have to admit I'm genuinely surprised. But I just saw a satellite feed of him being interviewed about things. Apparently he hasn't been training much over the past month, since he's suffering from a groin pull.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on July 27, 2004, 08:10 PM: He was in a motorcycle accident and got banged up pretty bad which really hurt his workouts
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Paul on August 5, 2004, 10:20 AM: wow I wanted the Cowboys to have a new QB, but I was hoping it would be a little less Dramatic.

IF IF IF it is a drug related reason then I applaud the Jerry and Bill for finally having the guts (as an owner and coach not them personally) to do something like cut the starting QB.

Makes me feel a little better about the Eddie George signing. After Vinnie gets hurt in game 3, Drew Henson is gonna have to have somebody to hand it off to.

I'm still optimistic about the season, but guarded optimism...
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on August 5, 2004, 10:23 AM: I just laugh at the Stupidity of Jerry Jones in drafting Q Carter in the first place...in the second round no less. He was easily the worst draft pick of that draft and one that everyone in the world said the Cowboys reached about 3 rounds too high on...

Cowboys aren't making the Playoffs anyway so it matters little, I'll say their D may get them close but with Vinny or Hutchinson or a Baseball Player, no way in hell are they gonna make it
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Rob on August 5, 2004, 11:45 AM: Well. Carter is swearing to anyone who will listen that he's never done cocaine - and of course, the team isn't allowed to comment.... more details to come I'm sure....
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: JediMAC on August 5, 2004, 01:24 PM: Bummed to see the Raiders finally release Tim Brown yesterday too, after 16 seasons with the team. Sounds like rumors have him heading to Tampa Bay or Dallas, in an effort to grab one more TD pass for the magic #100.

He was hoping to stay in Oakland as the #3 option behind Porter and Rice, but apparently the coaches told him that wasn't going to happen, and that they wanted a couple of the "kids" to get a chance in there. Tim didn't want to play such limited downs, so he said it's time to go. Sounded like a fairly amicable parting though, fortunately. He was Mr. Raider, and the last holdout from their Los Angeles playing days...

As for Q, the reports I've been hearing said he was already at a drug rehab center sometime in the past 18 months. Didn't say for what though...

I also heard that with respect to ~~Bob Marley's~~ Ricky Williams situation, the NFL has a policy that if you come back within one year of a positive drug test, you'll be punished. But after that, it sounds like you might be in the clear. So maybe Ricky's just gonna sit this season out under the guise of retirement, smoke a big ol' bunch o' weed as he walks the earth, and then maybe come back to the NFL for the 2005/06 campaign. I just highly doubt this is gonna wind up being a permanent retirement. He'll need to eventually make some more coin to buy some more reefer, after all...
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on August 5, 2004, 01:36 PM: Quote from: JediMAC on August 5, 2004, 01:24 PM

(snip)...He'll need to eventually make some more coin to buy some more reefer, after all...

The wacky tabacky ain't that expensive, Matt. If broke ass college kids can afford it, then me thinks Ricky won't have any problems. Plus he probably gets free hand outs anyway. Who wouldn't want to rip a few bong hits with him? ;)

Quick question...Will this be the football thread once the season starts or is another one going to be created? It's almost time to start making preseason picks. Hopefully my football picks are better than my baseball ones ::)
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: JediMAC on August 5, 2004, 01:44 PM: True dat. But I was thinking more along the lines of a healthy lifelong supply of ganja for him though... ;)

And yes, I think this thread will just become our "Official NFL Thread" when the season opens, so fire away with your picks Mikey, if you dare... 'Cause you never know what other dumbasses out there are gonna wind up retiring, getting suspended, or just blowing out their knee during the remainder of the preseason.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on August 5, 2004, 02:10 PM: Well I already have my Super Bowl winner (three guesses who) but division winners I'm still thinking about. Probably won't do it until right before the season starts, for reasons you already stated, among others.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Paul on August 5, 2004, 03:16 PM: right on all counts...but tell me this how many quarter bags could Ricky's signing bonus buy?

As far as picks go, I think we should work some pre-season picks less of awho will win/who won't" and more of an injury predictions. Like how many starting QB's don't get to start the regular season due to injury, you could almost go down the list of the "skilled" positions and set the over and under.

But like y'all said I don't want to make predictions till we know who else is going to retire, smoke dope, get hurt or become a cap casualty.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Rob on August 5, 2004, 03:27 PM: Quote from: Mikey D on August 5, 2004, 02:10 PM
Well I already have my Super Bowl winner (three guesses who) but division winners I'm still thinking about. Probably won't do it until right before the season starts, for reasons you already stated, among others.

Hmmm... 2001, Pats. 2002, Bucs. 2003, Pats.

Sounds like its' the Bucs turn. :)

You guys can win it all next season.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on August 6, 2004, 02:31 AM: Quote from: OCB on August 5, 2004, 10:23 AM
I just laugh at the Stupidity of Jerry Jones in drafting Q Carter in the first place...in the second round no less. He was easily the worst draft pick of that draft and one that everyone in the world said the Cowboys reached about 3 rounds too high on...

Cowboys aren't making the Playoffs anyway so it matters little, I'll say their D may get them close but with Vinny or Hutchinson or a Baseball Player, no way in hell are they gonna make it

Will you retract the above statement when they go 10-6 on their way to winning 1 playoff game before being eliminated? I realize your hatred for the Cowboys runs deep (I would hate them after they took 3 trophies in 4 years, too, were I a fan of any other team), but surely if they have success despite your prognostication, you will endeavor to admit you...erred?

Carter tested psotive for marijuana, not cocaine. It was his second violation.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Rob on August 6, 2004, 10:14 AM: I'm not sure if Testaverde's got 10 wins left in him.

I'm thinking he stumbles out of the blocks, everyone starts missing Carter (which would make a big statement...), and Henson finishes the season to see what he can do.

And for the first time in Parcell's career, he fails to improve upon his first season win/loss record with his new team.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Paul on August 7, 2004, 09:39 AM: Quote from: OCB on August 5, 2004, 10:23 AM
I just laugh at the Stupidity of Jerry Jones in drafting Q Carter in the first place...in the second round no less.

Right, how one man can do something like that after Jedi Mind-Tricking some sad sack team in Minnesota into taking Herschel Walker for every draft pick they will ever have, it boggles the mind......... ;) Until Bill Parcels got here Dallas has not had a good draft since Jimmy was here.

I like Dallas chances better with Vinnnie and the two kids than with Carter anyway. Q-Car was not exactly what Dallas needs as a QB as far as leadership goes and of course it may just be the media joining the dog-pile, but I've heard that he was locker room cancer. Taking credit for all the wins and placing blame for all the loses.

I'm just about ready for the season (and College ball too) to start...
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on August 7, 2004, 11:12 AM: I will say I erred on that statement but its one I honestly believe, they may only be the 3rd best team in their division behind Philly and Washington, add Seattle and Saint Louis, all 4 NFC South Teams, Green Bay and Minnesota and that is a lot of team to get ahead of for a Playoff spot. I just don't see it happening with washed up players on Offense. Got to be realistic in one of the best years of NFC football in years

No comment on the Hershel Walker deal :'(
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on August 9, 2004, 09:58 AM: First game tonight!

Are you ready for some football?
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on August 9, 2004, 10:37 AM: Congrats too to Elway, Sanders, Brown and Viking Carl Eller for the induction into the HOF yesterday.

I went to the Hall 2 years ago, fun time, good place to visit, lots of stuff to see. Makes me start feeling old when players I grew up watching are now Hall of Famers

Sanders is one I'll tell my boys about, he was truly awesome to watch and I feel lucky to have seen him a couple of times a year for the 10 years he played.

(http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/photo_gallery/220383B2E5A4458C813DFB5892C3C430.jpg)

Elway, too, was amazing, I never cheered for another team more than the two years they won the Super Bowls in the 90's against the Packers and Falcons.

I'm too young to remember any of the Vikings Super Bowl losses and the Purple People Eaters, but my dad loved Carl Eller, glad to see he finally got his chance. That should be about it for Vikings Hall of Famers until Cris Carter goes in in a couple of years. Randall McDaniel should also get a really shot, he was the best O-lineman of the 90's. After that, it may be a while, unless Moss continues to dominate the game for many more years. Its still too early to tell on him, Jim Marshall is borderline, he never was dominant he just played for a long, long time. Gary Zimmerman was one of the best lineman of the 90's too but I don't think he's gonna make it

Should be a bunch more too in the coming years...Marino,
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: jokabofe on August 17, 2004, 06:39 PM: so, how about some predictions for the coming year?

afc east: new england
afc north: baltimore
afc south: indianapolis
afc west: kansas city
afc wildcards: n.y. jets, oakland

nfc east: philadelphia
nfc north: green bay
nfc south: tampa bay
nfc west: st. louis
nfc wildcards: minnesota, seattle

afc champions: kansas city

nfc champions: philadelphia

super bowl champs: kansas city

even though i'm a seattle fan, and everybody is pumping seattle this year to win big, i just don't see it happening just yet. maybe next year, but not this year.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: JediMAC on August 17, 2004, 06:54 PM: My prediction: Rams vs. Raiders in the Superbowl. Yeah. You heard it here first!

Other prediction: Mikey's Pats go winless. The ViQueens too. Yeah. 8)

Not a snowball's chance in hell that Seattle takes it this year. Or the year after that. Or any other year thereafter. Why? 'Cause they're the Seahawks. That's why.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: jokabofe on August 17, 2004, 07:18 PM: Quote from: JediMAC on August 17, 2004, 06:54 PM
My prediction: Rams vs. Raiders in the Superbowl. Yeah. You heard it here first!

Other prediction: Mikey's Pats go winless. The ViQueens too. Yeah. 8)

Not a snowball's chance in hell that Seattle takes it this year. Or the year after that. Or any other year thereafter. Why? 'Cause they're the Seahawks. That's why.

we'll see about that... let's see. your two teams are the rams and raiders, right? how about a friendly little wager that my 'hawks end up with more wins than both, combined?

:P
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on August 17, 2004, 07:19 PM: Anyone notice there is no "D" in Green Bay Packers?They have no D either, they won't even come close to sniffing Wild Card this year

I'm waiting on my picks...too many things can happen in the next 3 weeks
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: jokabofe on August 17, 2004, 07:21 PM: Quote from: OCB on August 17, 2004, 07:19 PM
I'm waiting on my picks...too many things can happen in the next 3 weeks

sissy boy...
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on August 17, 2004, 07:52 PM: Quote from: jokabofe on August 17, 2004, 06:39 PM
so, how about some predictions for the coming year?

afc east: new england
afc north: baltimore
afc south: indianapolis
afc west: kansas city
afc wildcards: n.y. jets, oakland

nfc east: philadelphia
nfc north: green bay
nfc south: tampa bay
nfc west: st. louis
nfc wildcards: minnesota, seattle

afc champions: kansas city

nfc champions: philadelphia

super bowl champs: kansas city

I Am Michael Vick's Broken Leg 2003...
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on August 18, 2004, 07:48 AM: Quote from: JediMAC on August 17, 2004, 06:54 PM
My prediction: Rams vs. Raiders in the Superbowl. Yeah. You heard it here first!
Yeah that'll happen ::)

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Other prediction: Mikey's Pats go winless. The ViQueens too. Yeah. 8)

Keep talking, sweater boy. I guess I would be too if I rooted for suck ass teams like you :P

My predictions shall be forthcoming. I know you're all on the edge of your seat in anticipation. And just to show I'm not living in the past, once the season starts, I'm changing my avatar. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on August 27, 2004, 08:23 PM: Just watching the Vikes-49ers and the 49ers may be the worst team in Football this year, oh how the mighty have fallen

Culpepper has 2 TD passes in the first 6 minutes of the game
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Paul on August 29, 2004, 06:34 PM: NY Giants name Warner as the Starting QB.....

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2835314

Eli Manning is holding his breath in hopes it will change coach Coughlin's mind....

Coughlin when asked if the Tantrum would work before opening day had this to say:

"If he threw a pass like he throws a hissy fit, he'd have the starting job in a heartbeat."

Archie Manning has scheduled a conference with the Mayor of NYC, the GOP National Convention, The protesters outside, the International Olympic Committee and the NHLPA to see if they can do something about how poorly his son has been treated by the organization.... :'(
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Nicklab on August 29, 2004, 06:42 PM: Quote from: pmundheim on August 29, 2004, 06:34 PM
NY Giants name Warner as the Starting QB.....

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2835314

Eli Manning is holding his breath in hopes it will change coach Coughlin's mind....

Coughlin when asked if the Tantrum would work before opening day had this to say:

"If he threw a pass like he throws a hissy fit, he'd have the starting job in a heartbeat."

Archie Manning has scheduled a conference with the Mayor of NYC, the GOP National Convention, The protesters outside, the International Olympic Committee and the NHLPA to see if they can do something about how poorly his son has been treated by the organization.... :'(

What a load of crap! Eli has proven himself to be a lot more professional than a lot of other rookies. The decision was based on Friday's game, pure and simple. Eli Manning has stated that he still has a lot to learn, and has been pretty humble through all of training camp. I think people still have sour grapes because he didn't want to play for San Diego. And BTW, look what happened there: Philip Rivers held out until about a week ago because San Diego was trying to give him a deal that was so incentive loaded that he was going to get screwed. The incentive package they offered wasn't feasible for any rookie QB to meet those standards. So now tell me that there's nothing wrong with a 1st rounder not wanting to go to San Diego?
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on August 30, 2004, 10:48 AM: Sounds like Brock lesnar is going to get cut, probably won't make the practice sqaud either. He did get a tackle on Friday night though on the last play of the game. People went nuts. If I were owner of the Vikes I would make sure there was a spot on the Practice Sqaud for Mister Lesnar, his Jersey sales would pay for the spot itself
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Nicklab on August 30, 2004, 06:17 PM: Quote from: OCB on August 30, 2004, 10:48 AM
Sounds like Brock lesnar is going to get cut, probably won't make the practice sqaud either. He did get a tackle on Friday night though on the last play of the game. People went nuts. If I were owner of the Vikes I would make sure there was a spot on the Practice Sqaud for Mister Lesnar, his Jersey sales would pay for the spot itself

If he's really serious about this, he should pursue playing with the Arena league and/or NFL Europe. I can't say that I'm surprised he'll be cut. He hasn't played organized ball since High School.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on September 3, 2004, 10:13 AM: Quote from: jokabofe on August 17, 2004, 06:39 PM
so, how about some predictions for the coming year?

Alrighty then, barring any major injuries tonight, here goes

AFC East: New England Patriots
AFC North: Baltimore Ravens
AFC South: Indianapolis Colts
AFC West: Kansas City Chiefs
AFC Wild Card #1: New York Jets
AFC Wild Card #2: Cincinnati Bengals
AFC Championship: Indianapolis beats New England

Now, Tennessee and Denver I think also have legitimate shots at both the Wild Card and their Division Titles, its just the Jets and Bengals play in an easier division, plus the Jets get to play SF and ARI. New England and the Colts should be the two best teams, and I think the Colts are going to find a way to get homefield. Should be a great year in the much more competitive AFC

NFC East: Philadelphia Eagles
NFC North: Minnesota Vikings
NFC South: Atlanta Falcons
NFC West: Seattle Seahawks
NFC Wild Card #1: Washington Redskins
NFC Wild Card #2: Green Bay Packers
NFC Championship: Philly over Minnesota

Two most overrated teams in football are the Saint Louis Rams and the Green Bay Packers this year. I've seen them both ranked in the top 10 in a lot of preseason rankings and I think that is total B.S. They have both gotten worse over last year and Mike Martz is still the head coach of the Rams. The NFC South is definitely the most competitive division in Football and could easily see both Wild Cards or all 4 teams challenge for the Division spot in the playoffs. Its possible Dallas and Detroit are contending for that last Playoff spot but I don't think its gonna happen

Super Bowl: Indianapolis over Philadelphia

You heard it here first :-*

As far as my team, the Purple and Gold, The Vikings are on the right track but they have a lot of young talent that needs one more year to come together on D. This is Philly's year finally, they signed the big free agents and they are poised to go deep. Home field will be huge as always and so are injuries, everything could change in the breaking of Peyton Manning's leg in Week 1
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on September 3, 2004, 12:50 PM: The moment you've all been waiting for, Mikey D's preseason picks:

AFC East: Patriots (like there was any doubt)
AFC South: Indy
AFC West: Denver
AFC North: Baltimore
WC's: KC and Cinncy

NFC East: Eagles
NFC South: Carolina
NFC West: Seattle (and it should be a run away, the weakest division IMO)
NFC North: Minnesota
WC's: Atlanta and Green Bay

AFC Championship: New England over Indy (the Pats absolutely own Peyton Manning and Belichick has an answer to whatever he does)

NFC Championship: Philadelphia over Seattle

Super Bowl: I'm as happy as a pig in **** with 2 wins in three years, so I'll pick the Eagles for their first SB win. Either way, I'm happy and my brother can stop bitching and moaning about the Eagles never winning.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: jokabofe on September 3, 2004, 01:54 PM: wow, a lot of people picking seattle to win the west (except for me, the seahawks fan :o ) , here and elsewhere.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on September 3, 2004, 01:58 PM: Rams...

Got killed in the playoffs, lost Turley for the year, lost Grant Wistrom and have Aneas Williams, Isaac Bruce and Marshall Faulk all with another year of tread on the tires...plus they have the biggest moron of a coach in NFL history, plus I am not and never have been sold on Bulger. They are way, way overrated
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Mikey D on September 3, 2004, 02:33 PM: Quote from: OCB on September 3, 2004, 01:58 PM
Rams...

Got killed in the playoffs, lost Turley for the year, lost Grant Wistrom and have Aneas Williams, Isaac Bruce and Marshall Faulk all with another year of tread on the tires...plus they have the biggest moron of a coach in NFL history, plus I am not and never have been sold on Bulger. They are way, way overrated

Exactly. Then consider the other two teams in the division and Seattle walks away with this one, methinks.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Nicklab on September 3, 2004, 05:45 PM: Predictions, huh?

AFC East - Patriots
AFC North - Baltimore (provided Jamal Lewis stays out of JAIL)
AFC South - Colts
AFC West - Chiefs

NFC East - Giants (I just can't pick against them or my head would explode)
NFC North - What a crapshoot. I'm going out on a limb, but I'm gonna say Lions. They have SO MANY offensive weapons that I think they might turn some heads.
NFC South - Panthers
NFC West - Seahawks.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on September 8, 2004, 02:59 PM: For those NOT in the Fantasy League and still want to get in on Football talk here at JD

I've set up a couple of things over at ESPN.com

First one is Pigskin Pickem, basically its the JD Office Pool

http://games.espn.go.com/pigskin/frontpage

Group Name: JediDefender
Password: berry

The next is another type of pool called the Eliminator, where you pick one team every week and go until you get a team wrong...

http://games.espn.go.com/eliminator/frontpage

Group Name: JediDefender
Password: berry

And the final one is called GridIron Challenge where you assemble a roster of whoever you want based on a Salary Cap of 50 points and try and score as many points as you can...

http://games.espn.go.com/gridiron/frontpage

Group Name: JediDefender
Password: berry
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on September 9, 2004, 01:30 PM: Do any of you guys make picks each week? Do you pick with the spread or just winners? We should make our picks each week.
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: Scott on September 9, 2004, 02:58 PM: Yeah I just set that up Spiderlegs

No spread...just pick the winners

First one is Pigskin Pickem, basically its the JD Office Pool

http://games.espn.go.com/pigskin/frontpage

Group Name: JediDefender
Password: berry
Title: Re: NFL Preseason '04
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on September 9, 2004, 03:42 PM: Recruited and ready.

Oh yeah and

GO COWBOYS!!! GO COWBOYS!!! GO COWBOYS!!! GO COWBOYS!!! GO COWBOYS!!!