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Title: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: CHEWIE on November 27, 2007, 11:31 AM
Where does this supposed Force Unleashed figure fall?  Prequel, or OT?  

(http://chewie34.250free.com/071127_stormtrooper_1of2_1b.jpg)

More info at http://www.4-inches.de/inhalt/home.htm
Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: Phrubruh on November 27, 2007, 11:45 AM
Where does this supposed Force Unleashed figure fall?  Prequel, or OT? 

Trash bin.

Just another way to sell us the same toy over and over again. Too much Batman happening in this line.
Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: CHEWIE on November 27, 2007, 12:18 PM
It's in this thread because I was wondering if people consider it prequel or OT... I'm not sure where it would fall.  I'm leaning towards OT.

Regarding this figure, understandably some people are going to feel the same way about it that Phruby does.  But, if it's in TFU game, I can't fault Hasbro for making it.  Maybe it will be in a Battle Pack or something, as I'm pretty sure that some sort of Battle Pack is being released with TFU.
Title: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on November 27, 2007, 12:20 PM
(http://chewie34.250free.com/071127_stormtrooper_1of2_1b.jpg)

Apparently this figure is part of TFU push... thoughts?  Like it?  Hate it?  Will it be a regular carded figure, or part of a Battle Pack?
Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: jedi_master_sal on November 27, 2007, 12:23 PM
Where does this supposed Force Unleashed figure fall?  Prequel, or OT? 

(http://chewie34.250free.com/071127_stormtrooper_1of2_1b.jpg)

More info at http://www.4-inches.de/inhalt/home.htm

All I know is that I'm getting sick of these made up troopers.

Okay first off clones at the end of ROTS were ALL supposed to go to white armor. Color decorated legions were to no longer exist. This was to bring the clones back in line that they were all a part of a unit, not seperate units. We see evidence of this with the Republic cruiser changing from Obi-wan's colors to all grey. Stormtroopers we all white. Granted Sandtrooopers had color paulrons, but that was to denote rank only and NOT legion affiliation.

The whole idea of going to all white was to unify the legions. From one perspective this would strike fear in any uprising as you never knew which legion you were going to go up against. Since all the armor is now the same deco, you could very well be facing the Empire's elite. Also doing away with legion affiliation showed a unified banner under Palpatine and the last of the Jedi presence within the grand army of the republic being swept away.

Wow, I am so disappointed in this...I was only going to buy squads of troopers from the Force Unleashed line. Now I may only buy one of each and call it a day. Repaints are just ridiculous. Ever since DePriest came over from the JOE line, we've been seeing a marked increase in this crap. No wonder they don't have the budget for an AT-TE or Yarna or a plethora of other things we collectors have been asking for, Hasbro spent it on all of this kind of repainted crap instead.

(Sorry, I just had to rant on this one.)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Rob on November 27, 2007, 12:45 PM
Hate it.

You knew it was only a matter of time before they figured out how to repaint Stormtroopers the way they do Clone Troopers to sucker people into buying more and more...
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: ruiner on November 27, 2007, 12:46 PM
Great, the Skittle campaign has infected the holiest of holy's - the OT Stormtrooper.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Brian on November 27, 2007, 12:46 PM
Hate it.

You knew it was only a matter of time before they figured out how to repaint Stormtroopers the way they do Clone Troopers to sucker people into buying more and more...

Yeah, I hope this isn't a growing trend with OT troops (although it probably will be).
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: jedipurge on November 27, 2007, 12:59 PM
I kind of like it, it was bound to happen and we all know it.  Will I buy it?  Only if it is in fact part of a BP and has a fig that I want.  Though I do think of it as a rape of the OT by the PT in a storyline in kind of blends that Imperials wouldn't change right away and that some of the things that were going on in the PT would carry over for a while.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: JesseVader08 on November 27, 2007, 01:04 PM
Great, the Skittle campaign has infected the holiest of holy's - the OT Stormtrooper.

And for that they are going to hell.  >:(  Paint all the clones they want, but please don't mess with the Stormtrooper.

I guess the 501st Stormtrooper was a way to test the waters - it was only a logo they added, but it's a slippery slope...  :(
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jeff on November 27, 2007, 01:06 PM
I guess the 501st Stormtrooper was a way to test the waters - it was only a logo they added, but it's a slippery slope...  :(

501st Fan Legion markings...
"Shadow" Troopers...
Marvel "Blue Crud" highlights...

The writing has been on the wall for quite a while now.

The rumors say that there are different color Stormies for each planet in the game, so expect to see more... like a 3.75" version of this one too:

(http://www.rebelscum.com/SWFD/hasbroTFU/DSC02345.JPG)

Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jayson on November 27, 2007, 01:15 PM
I sense this being another one of those "straws that break the camel's back" moments for some of those remaining completist collectors out there. And, I think it really reinforces the feeling of Hasbro/Star Wars "jumping the shark" as far as original content/ideas go.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: iFett on November 27, 2007, 01:31 PM
Legends already broke me, but seeing this doesn't suprise me.  Hasbro already went this route with the clones so why not the Storm/Snow/Scout Troopers?  Can you imagine how many different Stormie repaints there's going to be by 2018?   ::)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jayson on November 27, 2007, 01:35 PM
And, now that there is the new and improved SA technology on the '08 Gree body, imagine all the re-repaints possibilities.

Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: evenflow on November 27, 2007, 01:45 PM
I don't like it. The helmet paint is what is really turning me off.
Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: evenflow on November 27, 2007, 01:47 PM
I consider it prequel stuff or EU, not OT.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on November 27, 2007, 02:06 PM
I do like it.  Why?  Because it's from a game that I can't wait to play.  If it were just a slapped on paint job that had no reference material, then I'd probably not like it so much, but the scheme is actually pretty slick in my opinion.

Now, I can also see why people hate it.  I totally see why some feel that think it's getting out of hand... the solution is pretty simple I think - don't buy it if you don't like it. 

Personally I'm more excited about Force Unleashed stuff than anything else right now - I have been since we first saw images of some of the figures.  And it's going to continue to take EU elements like this to keep the line going, otherwise it's going to get stale.

As for where it falls for me... I guess the more I think about it, I'd probably classify it as EU-OT. 

I'm hoping they just throw this in a Battle Pack of some sort - I'd like to see the Vader's apprentice in some sort of pose using a force push, with 4 different Stormies being thrown.  If that's how they market this, and it's right out of the game, then I think it's more than justified for them to make this.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 27, 2007, 02:18 PM
If I really get hooked on the game, I'd probably buy them.

But I'll likely pass on these.
Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 27, 2007, 02:50 PM
All I know is that I'm getting sick of these made up troopers.

You said it!

The current Target Arc BP troopers, AT_RT BP troopers, Mando clones, Orange Circle clones are total over the top piles of feces. I even passed on the Combat Engineer at the end of Saga2. It's getting easier to overlook made up clones. While the geared up TFU Stormtroopers look very cool & realistic (in star wars terms) this is just too stupid for words. Unless this comes in a BP with a very cool character you cannot get elsewhere I will surely pass.

I wish they would repaint figures we want like the Dagaobah spirit Obi, IG-88 in White, Protocol droids, ROTS BD with color markings, ewoks or better yet re-release Tie Pilots with DSG body & Fell helmets as Chewie has done, it looks superb! We need to replace the ancient pilot that comes with the Target bomber.

Next up: Shadow Snowtrooper
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Phrubruh on November 27, 2007, 03:25 PM
I have a feeling that we are going to see a new wave of repainted stormtroopers in the customizing area of our hobby.  :-\
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Paul on November 27, 2007, 03:31 PM
Dear Hasbro,

Keep your PT out of my OT....

PM



To answer Chewie's initial Question...these are EU-PT they have just bastardized OT stuff to do it.

I guess I am pseudo-hypocritical on this though, if it happened in the Marvel Comics, I'd be more ok with it.  (all black Stormtroopers are kinda neat) But this need to revise the History of the OT to make IT fit the PT is really just one more thing that makes me less interested in Star Wars as the years go on.  Each time they do it, they dimish the 30 years of enjoyment I've gotten since I first saw the movies.  Kinda like Boba Fett, he was Cool right up till the point he had a back story and he went from luke warm to lame when EPII came out..
Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: Phrubruh on November 27, 2007, 03:39 PM
All I know is that I'm getting sick of these made up troopers.
Next up: Shadow Snowtrooper

What exactly does a shadow snowtrooper look like? I guess he doesn't blend in with the snow very well. Maybe he hides in snowdrifts along side of highways?

Personally, I want to to see the yellow snowtrooper.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: RC-0379 Marev on November 27, 2007, 03:52 PM
I agree with Chewie here. I think this trooper looks sharp, and personally, I dig the legion markings on the clones and welcome unit decos on the stormtroopers too. I think the standard white-hat is boring. Their armor looks dated compared to the clone armor designs, almost like Palpatine bought his stormtroopers their armor at the dirtmall on liquidation.

The OT was great when I was a kid, and it's ok now, but the prequels and the EU properties brought new life to a galaxy far, far away for me. I think the weight Lucas is putting behind the force unleashed combined with the animation and live action tv properties are going to make the Star Wars universe even more viable. So yeah, bring on the colored stormies, variant legions, and whatever else.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: ruiner on November 27, 2007, 04:07 PM
This **** does more than just keep the lights on.



Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 27, 2007, 04:13 PM
What exactly does a shadow snowtrooper look like? I guess he doesn't blend in with the snow very well. Maybe he hides in snowdrifts along side of highways?


(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w298/jackoftradze/Jackoftradze%20Star%20Wars%20customs/SHADOWSNOWIE.jpg)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on November 27, 2007, 04:20 PM
I agree with Chewie here. I think this trooper looks sharp, and personally, I dig the legion markings on the clones and welcome unit decos on the stormtroopers too. I think the standard white-hat is boring. Their armor looks dated compared to the clone armor designs, almost like Palpatine bought his stormtroopers their armor at the dirtmall on liquidation.

The OT was great when I was a kid, and it's ok now, but the prequels and the EU properties brought new life to a galaxy far, far away for me. I think the weight Lucas is putting behind the force unleashed combined with the animation and live action tv properties are going to make the Star Wars universe even more viable. So yeah, bring on the colored stormies, variant legions, and whatever else.

Thanks, glad you see it that way... while I do still prefer my Stormies to be pure white, I have no problem with this expansion.  There's about a 20 year gap between ROTS and ANH.  How could there not be another transition in the appearance of Imperial troops between ROTS and ANH? 

I understand that some people don't want to accept change in Star Wars and want everything to be what it was back in the day, but this isn't changing the OT at all.  It's only covering a new era in Star Wars that has had limited exploration.  And remember there are new fans coming into this hobby all the time - if you want to be set in your ways and only care about the OT, then that's your right.  But that would lead to a quicker end to the line.

Personally, I don't want to see the line ending anytime soon - I want my son to experience some of the same magic with Star Wars that I did - the OT was marketed towards me when I was a kid, and the EU and whatever Lucas has in mind can be marketed towards his generation.  That means new characters, new worlds, and new ideas.  Not stuck in the 1970s.

As for Shadow Troops, I'm in the same boat as most others - I don't care for those.  I was shocked to see how good they did in fan polls - but I'll just pass on them when they are on the pegs.  This Force Unleashed stuff though has me very excited.  Bring it on... I'll probably add black pauldrons and rifles to a few of these guys... I wonder how many people that are dissing this figure now will end up getting it later on?  Or if a long lost Ralph McQuarrie painting of a Stormie with stripes surfaced, how many people would still be complaining?   ;D
Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 27, 2007, 04:23 PM
Personally, I want to to see the yellow snowtrooper.

No problem!

(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w298/jackoftradze/Jackoftradze%20Star%20Wars%20customs/SHADOWSNOWIEYELLOW.jpg)
Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: Phrubruh on November 27, 2007, 04:24 PM
What exactly does a shadow snowtrooper look like? I guess he doesn't blend in with the snow very well. Maybe he hides in snowdrifts along side of highways?


(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w298/jackoftradze/Jackoftradze%20Star%20Wars%20customs/SHADOWSNOWIE.jpg)

Dude, I was kidding!!!  :o

Really cool custom though.
Title: Re: Army Building - PT vs OT
Post by: Phrubruh on November 27, 2007, 04:26 PM
Personally, I want to to see the yellow snowtrooper.

No problem!

(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w298/jackoftradze/Jackoftradze%20Star%20Wars%20customs/SHADOWSNOWIEYELLOW.jpg)

EEK!!! Don't eat the yellow snow, trooper!
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Morgbug on November 27, 2007, 04:27 PM
But this need to revise the History of the OT to make IT fit the PT is really just one more thing that makes me less interested in Star Wars as the years go on.  Each time they do it, they dimish the 30 years of enjoyment I've gotten since I first saw the movies.  Kinda like Boba Fett, he was Cool right up till the point he had a back story and he went from luke warm to lame when EPII came out..

Amen.  

I don't like it.  I'm really not very much into PT, though I can't seem to stop myself from buying the figures admittedly.  I'm not anti-EU though either.  But I am OT cannon, so I cannot really abide by this.  Mess around all you want with ROTS troopers, the movie was nothing more than a marketing ploy to sell toys anyway.  But painting stormtroopers in the skittle/rainbow/carebear color schemes is going to do nothing but help me stop spending money.  I'm already at a tenuous point on this crap, having gone from carded to loose; completeist to selective; army building to maybe 5 of each.  Ted Turner-ing the OT is just going to piss me off even more.  Revisionist history, as Paul said, isn't in the best interest of continuing this line.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: ruiner on November 27, 2007, 05:01 PM
the movie was nothing more than a marketing ploy to sell toys anyway.  

You might as well as throw the other two PT movies in there as well.  He's milking this cow for all it's worth and I can't blame him - I'd do the same damn thing. 

You want black stormies?  Not a problem at $15 a pop.

You want an AT-AT sprinkled in ****?  I can do that too...

Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Matt on November 27, 2007, 05:07 PM
˘lonetrooper, now $tormtrooper:  It all makes cents.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on November 27, 2007, 05:42 PM
Didn't ROTS buy into the themes of the OT quite a bit though?  I'm not sure that the OT has been bastardized like some claim it has... sure, Lucas has made some changes to it but the only ones I don't really care for are Greedo shooting first and adding ROTS Anakin to the spirit scene...

Anyways, the shadow troopers/etc. are just gimmicks.  I don't see this Stormtrooper as being in that same category (well to a degree it's a marketing ploy, but this makes more sense to me than a shadow trooper).  In the two decade gap between ROTS and ANH, there's a hell of a lot that can go on.  And remember it's a huge galaxy with planets with different garrisons on them. Why would it be surprising to see different legions with different markings before the Empire finally transitioned their troopers to be all white for uniformity?
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2007, 05:48 PM
How's a shadow trooper a gimmick, but this isn't?  Shadow Troopers came from EU birthplaces...  Comics were the basis for the concept, and Hasbro just ran with it.  Black's cool, and black stormtroopers are cooler, or so the theory goes.

The game's EU, and it's no less gimmicky than the comics by slapping a deco on a stormtrooper to separate it.  It's especially gimmicky when you think Hasbro's had these years of marketing to realize, "Hey...  Why don't we mix up some colors on the stormies to sell some to the public?", because that clearly seems like a reason to do such a thing...

As for the figure, I don't hate the idea if it's contained to Force Unleashed...  It's a game, it's EU, and it's something that takes place close to the time-frame of ROTS...  I'd say pretty shortly after the armor changed from ROTS armor to Imperial era armor.  I can "believe" that, and the figure doesn't bother me horribly in that regard.

If Hasbro starts doing "Red FU paintjob Scout Troopers" though, and they're not in the game, then I'm gonna start getting annoyed at the whoring I think.  If it's contained to FU, I can deal with it though, basically.  They're not OT characters to me...  They're EU, and very close to PT at that.  The whole Force Unleashed thing, and the pre-ANH era, is really something that we're gonna have to deal with I think.  It's unexplored territory you knew they were gonna get into.  The live-action TV show is supposedly centered on this era. 

It's coming folks.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: jedipurge on November 27, 2007, 06:23 PM
How's a shadow trooper a gimmick, but this isn't?  Shadow Troopers came from EU birthplaces...  Comics were the basis for the concept, and Hasbro just ran with it.  Black's cool, and black stormtroopers are cooler, or so the theory goes.

The game's EU, and it's no less gimmicky than the comics by slapping a deco on a stormtrooper to separate it.  It's especially gimmicky when you think Hasbro's had these years of marketing to realize, "Hey...  Why don't we mix up some colors on the stormies to sell some to the public?", because that clearly seems like a reason to do such a thing...

As for the figure, I don't hate the idea if it's contained to Force Unleashed...  It's a game, it's EU, and it's something that takes place close to the time-frame of ROTS...  I'd say pretty shortly after the armor changed from ROTS armor to Imperial era armor.  I can "believe" that, and the figure doesn't bother me horribly in that regard.

If Hasbro starts doing "Red FU paintjob Scout Troopers" though, and they're not in the game, then I'm gonna start getting annoyed at the whoring I think.  If it's contained to FU, I can deal with it though, basically.  They're not OT characters to me...  They're EU, and very close to PT at that.  The whole Force Unleashed thing, and the pre-ANH era, is really something that we're gonna have to deal with I think.  It's unexplored territory you knew they were gonna get into.  The live-action TV show is supposedly centered on this era. 

It's coming folks.

I think Shadow Troops were more of a gimmick just 'cause they were overpriced exclusives and nothing more.  Well as for these red ones, and more then likely the blue ones that are in the mini unleashed line to come later, follow a theme from the game.  These guys are in the same line as the Repub Comm in my opinion, but like you said Jesse they bust out with Scouts in Stripes for no reason then it just sucks.

I try to be a purist when it comes to the OT, but really Hasbro/Star Wars/Lucas are going to do whatever they can to keep the gravy train running on this, but it's just a matter of how long I'm willing to ride it with them.  Any one of us can stop buying this stuff if they don't like it.  And Hasbro can only sell so many background characters, which would probably actually kill the line faster since most of us won't army build Ice Cream Maker Guy but would probably buy more then one of the striped stormie.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Rob on November 27, 2007, 06:41 PM
If Hasbro starts doing "Red FU paintjob Scout Troopers" though, and they're not in the game, then I'm gonna start getting annoyed at the whoring I think.  If it's contained to FU, I can deal with it though, basically.  They're not OT characters to me...  They're EU, and very close to PT at that.  The whole Force Unleashed thing, and the pre-ANH era, is really something that we're gonna have to deal with I think.  It's unexplored territory you knew they were gonna get into.  The live-action TV show is supposedly centered on this era. 

It's coming folks.

Instead of making Red FU Paintjob Scout Troopers that aren't in the game, they'll just work with the game developers to incorporate Red Scout Troopers.

Voila.


Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Force Guy on November 27, 2007, 09:02 PM
How's a shadow trooper a gimmick, but this isn't? 

Exactly.  A Shadow Trooper is Exploited Universe material, same as this new Stormtrooper "Commando" figure.

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It's coming folks.

Yep, and people will buy it with glee.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: RC-0379 Marev on November 27, 2007, 09:14 PM
You know, what really puzzles me is the mentality that everything not OT is just to make money, but OT products are somehow more. Like the original trilogy is akin to some kind of "spiritual codex" and thus above the concepts of economy. Star wars is not some kind of life blueprint or existential codex, it's a money making venture. That it brings joy to people, great. That people can identify with it is awesome. But at the end of the day, the OT, the PT, and every licensed and marketable object derived thereof exists to make people money. So why is the PT and EU considered some kind of base corporate vehicle for greed and the OT is somehow above that? Very puzzling.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Force Guy on November 27, 2007, 09:18 PM
So why is the PT and EU considered some kind of base corporate vehicle for greed and the OT is somehow above that? Very puzzling.

The fact that it's so blatant is probably what makes it bothersome.  It applies to the OT, too.  I mean, what next?  Purple Ewoks?  Black Wampas?  A rare hybrid "Blue" Bantha?   
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Morgbug on November 27, 2007, 10:47 PM
You know, what really puzzles me is the mentality that everything not OT is just to make money, but OT products are somehow more. Like the original trilogy is akin to some kind of "spiritual codex" and thus above the concepts of economy. Star wars is not some kind of life blueprint or existential codex, it's a money making venture. That it brings joy to people, great. That people can identify with it is awesome. But at the end of the day, the OT, the PT, and every licensed and marketable object derived thereof exists to make people money. So why is the PT and EU considered some kind of base corporate vehicle for greed and the OT is somehow above that? Very puzzling.

It's really that the OT had some consistency with reality, in terms of military dress.  There's relatively little variation, aside from actual camouflage, in real world military uniforms.  That's consistent with the OT approach to thing.  Stormtroopers have a basic look.  Scout troopers are modified slightly for greater mobility and riding bikes.  Any changes to uniforms, aside from a rank insignia on an officer (either side), were directly related to the functionality and/or designation of a position held within that military.  It's simple, quasi-realistic (yeah, I know, it's a movie) and not blatantly directed at marketing.

AOTC had clones with rank designations according to their colors.  Those colors were relatively few: red, yellow, green, blue (that's all I recall) and their degree of occurrence was again relative to what you'd see in a realistic military setup - coloration differences only really designating rank and the colors were at worst, uncommon.  Completely livable situation. 

Enter the ROTS version and all of a sudden everybody has a color scheme and now rank designations are different variations of that same color scheme.  Oh yeah, that's practical and realistic.  A militaristic organization isn't likely to spend a boatload of timing prettying up it's grunts.  They're fodder, more or less, and that's about it.  Presumably clones, like regular soldiers, are relatively intelligent enough to realize what unit they're in without looking at their uniform and going oh yeah, I'm in the 501st.  Cool

It has nothing to do with any great existentialist philosophy or anything remotely spiritual.  It's staying true to the movie that was originally made and we all fell in love with.  That's all.  But everyone saying things are coming or changing is absolutely right.  Lucas has made no bones about it at all, revising all sorts of things along the way.  They are his films.  But that doesn't mean we can't comment on the obviousness of the cash grab or the revisionist approach to history, does it?  Just because I don't march in lockstep with everything Hasbro does or Lucas devises doesn't mean I should abandon the hobby, does it?  We all get the economics of the situation but there's ample fodder there to make money with, we've proved that for them time and again.  Hell, all they have to do is change the packaging and no new tooling or paint is required for 90% of the figures to move off the pegs. 

Why is EU/PT considered a vehicle for greed?  It's not obvious?  Back in the old days, OT times if you will, they didn't realize nor could they practically accomplish painting everything a different color and that would generate way, way more money.  Action figures were 12" scale to be successful or 8" scale to fail for the most part.  No one back then would buy multiple figures for the most part.  So what was the point of making multiple paint versions?  Geez, the original 12" GI Joe figures were hard pressed to have half a dozen variations in what was the most successful action figure line of the preceding decade.  Times changed, people are a lot less debt averse and production costs are a fraction of what they were, so multiples are easy to do, especially if you use CGI to create those variations in the first place.  All of a sudden you can and will do so because economically you'd be nuts not to.  But that doesn't mean we have to like it. 

Hey, I buy most of the PT clones.  I'm ok with that in spite of the obviousness of the marketing because for the most part they were in the movie.  As Jesse J said, if it's FU stuff, then it's no different than PT and so be it.  My only issue is not that they're doing it for money, it's my fear that they won't stop at FU, they'll just continue on and Turner-ize the original movies by coloring up all the Imperials.  And what would be the point of that aside from greed?  It's no longer about a story and a movie and the artistic enjoyment that brought us all joy.  Now it's about the almighty dollar.  That's problematic to me.  That's about all.  Not everyone agrees.  So be it. 
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: JangoTat on November 27, 2007, 11:04 PM
i actually love it. the figure looks great and it is something new....well paint wise. Besides now I can get a commander for my stormies and still be able to identify him. ::)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2007, 11:46 PM
Or you could've used the already laid out designation of an orange pauldron, a number of white pauldrons then at the head of each squad (with or without black pauldrons), if you wanted. :)

About what Morgbug said though...

That's pretty much what I would've said in response...  It's not 100% provable, but it does seem plausible that LFL intentionally wanted a lot of "flavors" of clone, because they saw the clone popularity from 2002 that spread in the EU during the 3 years to 2005...  It was pretty evident, and clearly it's an easy way to generate new interest in old figures, and make money...  One need only look at the clones we have, at all the variety of film, EU, and simply Hasbro-made-up paint aps on Clones as well...  ROTS trumps AOTC in variety, and with little real logic/reasoning behind it.

I don't necessarilly agree that there is no logical reasoning for the colors/variations in ROTS.  They're explainable in a "real-world" sense if you consider their Jedi Generals are giving them "personalities", and as personalities emerge, so does pride in who they are, etc.  So they decorate to distinguish, as a means of gloating, if you will.  It does then make some sense, but it's not so much a means of military recognition as it is a means of individual expression.

But that's neither here nor there...  I agree there's simply clear attempts by LFL between 2002 and 2005 to "cash-in" as much as possible.  Add in that 2005 did even better than I think people expected in collectibles, and it's carried over now for going on 3 years...  There's intent there I think, that wasn't really there quite as much in 1977.  At some point the lightbulb just went off in someone's head I guess.

I personally don't differentiate the PT and OT as much as other people, but at the same time I still question the multi-colored Stormtroopers in Force Unleashed.  I've not seen teh story outline or played the game to make my final call on what I feel the intent there was...  For all we know the different colors are for only one or two characters, not whole legions, but at this point I wouldn't be shocked if it was legions, and was simply a way to get that extra cent out of the FU push in 2008.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nathan on November 28, 2007, 12:09 AM
As for the figure, I don't hate the idea if it's contained to Force Unleashed...  It's a game, it's EU, and it's something that takes place close to the time-frame of ROTS...  I'd say pretty shortly after the armor changed from ROTS armor to Imperial era armor.  I can "believe" that, and the figure doesn't bother me horribly in that regard.

If Hasbro starts doing "Red FU paintjob Scout Troopers" though, and they're not in the game, then I'm gonna start getting annoyed at the whoring I think.  If it's contained to FU, I can deal with it though, basically.

As Jesse J said, if it's FU stuff, then it's no different than PT and so be it.  My only issue is not that they're doing it for money, it's my fear that they won't stop at FU, they'll just continue on and Turner-ize the original movies by coloring up all the Imperials.  And what would be the point of that aside from greed?

Yeah, I'm gonna go with these.

I'm still going to skip it just because it looks silly to me, but that's not the point.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2007, 12:13 AM
Agreed too, on bastardizing the films...  No reason but greed.  As it is, the SE's were a slippery slope.  Jango's voice inserted into Fett's, etc.  Some good things changed, some bad things happened too, and that's not cool...  Spraying graffitti on Stormtroopers probably wouldn't be difficult.  That's a big fear for me too, because it tears up my impressions of the films.

I'm more fearful of that, than the goofy toy crap.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Morgbug on November 28, 2007, 01:12 AM


I don't necessarilly agree that there is no logical reasoning for the colors/variations in ROTS.  They're explainable in a "real-world" sense if you consider their Jedi Generals are giving them "personalities", and as personalities emerge, so does pride in who they are, etc.  So they decorate to distinguish, as a means of gloating, if you will.  It does then make some sense, but it's not so much a means of military recognition as it is a means of individual expression.



Bah, to what end?  Didja ever see clones from different designations in the same place when deployed?  So they have those colors just for butt slapping back at the base and bragging rights? ;)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2007, 02:19 AM
Clones at leisure would've been interesting to see...  But not to anyone but me probably.  :'(

I dunno about butt slapping, but...  well, hey, it works in the NFL so whatever.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Desfiy on November 28, 2007, 02:42 AM
Actually I am looking forward to the Force Unleashed figures on a whole, however these new Stormtroopers are a little disturbing they could have really done something with these instead of making them skittle colors, they could have used the markings from the clones but made there helmets less Stormtrooper Looking has anyone seen the Imperial Commando website with the Helmets on there or even GTG helmets, these would have been cool on these Stormtroopers and you could have made it more interesting as well, then you wouldnt have people complaining about its a Stormtrooper who has been graffitied on (I include myself in this, as I really dont like these Stormtroopers).
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2007, 02:46 AM
Game design is what it is though too...  That's not Hasbro's fault.  There ARE special design Stormtroopers as we've seen already in the FU line/game.  Apparantly there are also basic troopers with decoration on them too is all.

Again, if it's contained to the game...  Fine.

If they do a red marked Snowtrooper and Scout Trooper next year?  Not so fine.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Desfiy on November 28, 2007, 03:07 AM
I am still not convinced with these Stormtroopers, however I do agree with you in the fact if there from the game fine, still wont buy them like I am not going to buy the Darth Vader, however if they start getting crazy and we see an explosion of Skittle Colored Stormtroopers in the same manner as the Clone Troopers then that will be disappointing.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2007, 03:12 AM
Yeah, their containment to a media that many people maybe won't give a **** about will help people pass on them easily enough...  Like the Rep. Commandoes, which are game/book centered and nowhere in the films.  Easy passes for people who just don't like their storyline or media they appeared in I figure.

FU should be about the same.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 28, 2007, 09:03 AM
It's definitely EU and this is where completism and I part company. I would avoid a figure like this like the plague.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on November 28, 2007, 11:45 AM
Again, if it's contained to the game...  Fine.

Agreed.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: ctonra on November 28, 2007, 02:11 PM
Hey all,
          I jut wanted to add my two cents in on this coloring the Clones and stormies bit.   Like Chewie said there is a big gap between PT and OT That there would be a time to change over from rainbow to all white and even if the decision was made to go to all white, it still would take time and money to make that happen.  Come on it took the empire twenty years to build the first Death Star.  and yet only three for the second???   Anyways that is a lot of legions to reequip and alot of systems that had to fall into line with the empire. 
         I remember reading early on in the ROTS development that the Clone colors came from the systems they were assigned to,  So the Citizens knew those  were there troops fighting.  Being the big History Buff GL is this is similar to the Union Troops during the Civil War.  Most Regiments had slight variations to the Blue uniform they wore and Officer often had their own as well.  Kind of like our beloved clone commanders. 

       Hopefully this is Trooper from the FU Game and the Big H isn't testing the waters on color Stormys.  I do like the Yellow Snowtroopers though. 
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Adam_Pawlus on November 28, 2007, 03:52 PM
If they do a red marked Snowtrooper and Scout Trooper next year?  Not so fine.

Hey, speak for yourself.  I still want my Super NES-themed Super Empire Strikes Back red Snowtrooper grenadiers.   Or if they gave us that Bue Stars Snowtrooper... I know I'd be waiting in line for one or six.

(Oh, the fun of collecting.  If it has a precedent?  We love it.  If not, or if we don't know of it?   We hate it.)

I think the red design is funky but I'd buy a couple, easily.   As long as the line isn't 50% wacky colored troopers every year, I'd gladly see more of these.  I'd even be happier to buy these if we started seeing those urban vinyl artist people start offering up designs just to make some truly unique and weird additions to the Imperial forces.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: speedermike on November 28, 2007, 07:53 PM
Actually, I'm fine with the colored Stormtrooper.  At the end of the day, if I were 10, I'd be loving it.

On a different note, does anyone think it's odd that Hasbro has not shown a figure of Vader's Aprentice, when he is the main character in the game?  There's got to be at least one more TFU wave.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on November 28, 2007, 09:08 PM
Actually, I'm fine with the colored Stormtrooper.  At the end of the day, if I were 10, I'd be loving it.

On a different note, does anyone think it's odd that Hasbro has not shown a figure of Vader's Aprentice, when he is the main character in the game?  There's got to be at least one more TFU wave.

He might be in the rumored Battle Pack, as could this Stormie...
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 29, 2007, 09:23 AM
Hey all,
          I jut wanted to add my two cents in on this coloring the Clones and stormies bit.   Like Chewie said there is a big gap between PT and OT That there would be a time to change over from rainbow to all white and even if the decision was made to go to all white, it still would take time and money to make that happen.  Come on it took the empire twenty years to build the first Death Star.  and yet only three for the second???   Anyways that is a lot of legions to reequip and alot of systems that had to fall into line with the empire. 
         

I don't disagree with this at all. In fact, it's quite logical give the context of the saga. However. with me, it's more psychological and as I said, crosses that line I gave myself. Those other two "stormtroopers," I don't have a problem with.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nicklab on November 29, 2007, 10:56 AM
Playing devils advocate here, I do seem to recall that in either the concept art for THE FORCE UNLEASHED or the pre-vis videos that were released we did see a Stormtrooper with some kind of markings.  There was one trooper with yellow markings that were similar to the Clone Commander from AOTC.  You can check it out on the Official Site (http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/video/forcepreviz.html).

Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on November 29, 2007, 11:31 AM
Yep there is a Stormtrooper with yellow markings in the original trailer, and I always thought it looked awesome.

(http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/123.JPG)

Fritzkrieg made a custom of it in August '06

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/Fritzkrieg/ForceunleashedTrooper3.jpg) (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/Fritzkrieg/ForceunleashedTrooper4.jpg) (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/Fritzkrieg/ForceunleashedTrooper5.jpg)

That version from the game preview seems to have clone armor however.

Who knows, I can't wait to see all the designs in this game.

Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: jedi_master_sal on November 29, 2007, 12:29 PM
I dunno, that trooper loks strange to me. If he's airborne, then I'll call him a "Parrot" trooper. Afterall he has the "beak" painted on his helmet.

I'd just rather the stormtroopers be left alone. Leave them all white. Repaint clone armor ok. We've dealt with that. It just seems sacriledge to paint the Stormies other than what we've seen on film.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Desfiy on November 29, 2007, 01:07 PM
Actually to be honest I rather like the yellow markings on the Strormtrooper, I dont if its beacuase there more subtle and not screaming at me.

Or if its the fact that he looks to be in charge and the other Stormtroopers are plain White, now if this is the case then I can get away with that, it will be similair to rank insignia.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Artoo on November 29, 2007, 06:14 PM
I'd buy a couple to have diversity in my Imperial army.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Desfiy on November 29, 2007, 08:10 PM
I wonder if these colored Stormtroopers represent the Clone Commanders that are out now.

For Instance - Red Stormtrooper could be Clone Commander Deviss in Stormtrooper Outfit and so on.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: JesseVader08 on November 29, 2007, 10:01 PM
It just seems sacriledge to paint the Stormies other than what we've seen on film.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts.  They've been white for 30 years, it's just too much to see them desecrated with graffiti.  :'( 
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nicklab on November 30, 2007, 10:02 AM
I think if you look at things from a timeline standpoint, it *KIND OF* makes sense that the armor would have some markings.  I couldn't see the troops from the REVENGE OF THE SITH era making the transition from unit oriented markings to the all white armor of the Stormtroopers in one shot.  A more probable scenario would have them transition over from one armor type to the other gradually, and with the unit or rank markings diminishing slowly.  Plus, rank markings on Imperial troops are not unheard of, since the Sandtroopers wear pauldrons that denote rank, and there will be officer markings on other sets of armor, like we saw with the Snowtrooper officer in the AT-AT in THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on November 30, 2007, 11:31 AM
That totally makes sense to me Nicklab. 

I also think that the officers/commanders shouldn't stand out very much from the grunts because that would make them easy targets... for that reason, I thought the few colored clones in AOTC was a bit silly.  I mean, if you're in a battle and you see one guy out of 50 in blue stripes, you snipe him first because he's the one in charge of the unit.

I liked seeing entire squads/legions or what have you in ROTS with similar markings - I thought that made more sense.  Like you see the Elite Corps (or whatever they're called) getting ready to depart Coruscant and they have gray markings for their battallion.  Then when they land on Kashyyyk they are in green camo gear, that makes sense to me.  Yeah Gree was in different gear than them but he sort of blended in.  Of course Bacara with his Galactic Marines sticks out like a sore thumb though.

But anyways, regarding that red Stormtrooper, I'd rather see a squad of them in that scheme.  If they have a squad leader, then maybe he has a slightly different helmet, or a pauldron, or something.  I dunno.

Regardless, I still do like the looks of the red Stormie.  But I don't want to ever see them appear in the OT films of course, unless they added an extra shot on Coruscant and you see one of them... but don't replace any of our beloved white Stormies with red ones. 
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Morgbug on November 30, 2007, 11:46 AM
Which only feeds into my point of there being no point to colors other than marketing, with respect to AOTC and ROTS.  There was no need to designate the clones by color at all.  We went through the OT with stormtroopers seemingly able to function as a military unit without color designations to signify rank.  There is no reason the same couldn't have happend with the PT.  The evolution of the armor from more Mandalorian to Imperial should have been sufficient but they saw how easily people would snap up different pauldron colors for sandtroopers (of which there were all of 4-5 colors) and someone said hey...

Now we end up with some twisted-ass reconciliation of how they go from the skittles troopers to all white.   ::)  My only issue is I really believe it's going to end up in them re-releasing the OT and some (probably not all) stormtroopers and other troops will suddenly be colorized in grand Ted Turner style. I don't really care what they do with the toys, I can simply choose to not put them in my collection.  

(FWIW, I wrote that in response to Nick's post, not Chewie's)

adding: I guess what bugs me most is that the whole process wasn't really thought out too well.  We have a well established pattern of things in the OT.  Then along comes the PT and there are some very serious disconnects in how the PT should be relating to the OT.  So Lucas sets out revising the movies that are already established so they "fit" what he's doing now for the PT.  That just strikes me as illogical and silly.  Now we're seeing the same thing happening with the Imperial troopers so that the OT meshes better with the PT. WTF?  I know chronologically the PT happened first, but jeez, can't you work it out so that the PT actually fits with the OT?  BAh.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nicklab on November 30, 2007, 11:53 AM
My point is I'm trying REALLY HARD to find some logic or methodology in this.  Preferably, I wish that the PT and OT were distinct periods.  Introducing a bridge between the two as far as troopers go is a little tough to deal with from a consumer/collector standpoint.  But I think the EU enthusiast might find some kind of enjoyment in the whole deal.  But the bottom line for collectors is this:  vote with your dollars.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on November 30, 2007, 01:24 PM
Actually, I don't think it's silly at all that the PT troops had color schemes, especially ROTS.

Look at it this way... Phase One trooper armor was dominantly plain white, as one large unit was created for the Republic war machine. 

Once the war broke out, the Republic sent different legions to different planets to engage the Separatists.  Many  legions were given distinct color patterns often to blend in somewhat with their environment - for example if a unit were deployed to a jungle planet, they're issued green armor.  If they go to a differnet planet, then they may be issued a different set of armor for that campaign.  Other units, such as Palpatine's elite shock troopers were given distinct color markings as a symbol of their status. 

Once the Clone Wars ended, the newly formed Empire ruled by an iron fist.  They were no longer in a fill scale war, though pockets of rebellion began to emerge.  Still, even until the Battle of Endor, they basically dominated the galaxy.  Garrisons became more standard than siege batallions.  And as a symbol of unity and domination, color markings were abandoned as a cohesive design became standard for the Imperial's main ground forces throughout the galaxy.

That's the way I look at it at least, and it works for me. 
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Rob on November 30, 2007, 02:43 PM
Well I'm not going to rationalize it.  I'm done with that angle.

I'm going to buy one to open, one to keep carded, if I feel like it when I see it, and forget the 12-24 that I'd have bought if it was something legitimate.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: jedi_master_sal on November 30, 2007, 04:23 PM
Well I'm not going to rationalize it.  I'm done with that angle.

I'm going to buy one to open, one to keep carded, if I feel like it when I see it, and forget the 12-24 that I'd have bought if it was something legitimate.

Agreed.  Other than the corrected Kashyyyk clone and SA 501st, I'm done with huge army building.

There may have been a time that I would have built up the Force Unleashed line, but no more. Heck up until last week I would have even bought a squads worth (5) of troopers from TFU. Now Hasbro will be lucky to get me to buy more than one of each. I might just do a carded collection for this subset and be done with it.

I'll get a couple extra Junos for customs, but the troopers...I grow weary of these bad repaints. I might bend and still buy the squad, but they better be the shizznit, or come in a battlepack for cheap.

-Sal
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 30, 2007, 08:00 PM
I have scaled way back this year as far as army building goes.

I'm now down to two of each trooper open. I started the year at six of each trooper, by about June, I was saying I would do four of each and now I'm down to two. For stuff like the Legends Sandtrooper variants, I don't think I'll ever need more than six or so of these guys anyways, so I'm just enhancing my already plentiful ranks of these guys with one of each.

I originally thought I might go nuts on the SA 501st figures when they started shipping. I might get two of those to open, but that would be it. The rest of the 501st troopers I have can be the AT-TE gunner version I have an over-load of.

The one thing that this year and what I've see so far of the next has taught me is to over do it on troop building is completely pointless - just get one or two, the figure will be re-done at some point and you can get one or two more then. Case in point - Commander Gree from ROTS and the TSC Kashyyyk Elite Corps Troopers - I got two Grees and like eight of those Kashyyyk troopers. At the time of each figure's release, even though everyone was pointing out that they were inaccurate figures, it never occurred to me that Hasbro would EVER be bothered with making a corrected version either, let alone, make a corrected version each so soon!

I think Hasbro needs to stop listening to the army builders who want to gobble up each and every paint variation they can come up with for Clone/stormtroopers and actually visit some stores and take note of whats hanging on the pegs.

If I go into a store today, I can easily get: Airborne Troopers; Galactic Marines; AOTC White, Blue, Red, Yellow & Green Clones; ROTS White Clones; a variety of different Sandtroopers; and Stormtroopers w/o any problem. Not to mention the fact that I don't feel that finding the Shocktrooper or the VTAC Snowtrooper were particularly difficult either this year. The overall popularity of troopers is WAY down. Good job on letting the Wave 5 Saga Legends line be 80% clones!
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Darth Broem on December 1, 2007, 01:51 PM
Well the popularity is down because they came out with practically every freaking army builder imagineable this year and the end of last year.  Had they scaled it back to just 5-6 army builders or a few clonetroopers  I am sure the cry would be "Why doesn't Hasbro release MORE army builders...waaaaaa!!!!" 

I don't blame them for striking while the iron was hot.  Plus, the fans voted on a lot of these Saga Legends and the results were clones, clones, clones and even more damn clones.  Except for the Order 66 packs of course.  So, I can't really yell at bitch at Hasbro for doing what fans wanted. 

But I am sure if this video games came out and they did not release these colored up Stormtroopers you would here that cry from the crowd to "Please Hasbro make those red stormtroopers...waaaaaa!!!"  LOL!  Well maybe not but I but once they are on the pegs they will move okay.  They can't move any worse than everyone's sposedly favorite all white stormtrooper.  Granted it's not the VOTC version but it's not that bad either.  Way better than the commtech version IMO at least.

But yeah I am done rationalizing it myself.  It is what it is.  I am used to the EU stuff by now anyway.  If they want to release a batman like Vader from the comics then why not a red stormie from a video game?
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Rob on December 1, 2007, 02:43 PM
There's more.   >:(

(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2007/TFUstormtroopers.jpg)

Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 1, 2007, 02:58 PM
They look pretty good.  I don't know what it is, but the helmets of the VOTC stormtroopers when painted in these schemes, look WAY more accurate than the plain white.  By accuracy, I mean that the VOTC stormie helmet still does not look very close to what we saw in the OT.  Look at the difference:

(http://www.movierealms.com/acatalog/ANHStunt01.jpg)

Notice how the rebreather is more flared out on the sides at the bottom of the helmet, and notice the taller, more squared off portion of the top of the helmet in the cranium/calvarium area.

Now look at Hasbro's plain white VOTC sculpt:

(http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/TACSLsand2FR.jpg)

See the difference?  Hasbro could have done a lot better.

I don't know what it is about the paintjobs, but when you add excessive dirt, or color, the problem with the sculpt becomes way less noticeable.  Look at the dirty helmet now:

(http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/TACSLsand1FR.jpg)

I think it's the dirt in the crevices of the rebreather that makes it look more flared.

But, needless to say, the plain white stormies in the VOTC sculpt have been driving me nuts lately.  The Tantive IV pack helmet is way way better.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: JediMAC on December 1, 2007, 03:09 PM
There's more.   >:(

(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2007/TFUstormtroopers.jpg)

My sentiments, exactly.  I've long feared the day when Hasbro/Lucasfilm starting taking liberties with the classic Stormie, and colorizing him (cashing in) ala the Skittles Clones from the Prequels.  God, I hope this doesn't go beyond Force Unleashed...  :-\

Puke.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jeff on December 1, 2007, 03:11 PM
There's more.   >:(

If only someone had told you to expect more...   :P

expect to see more... like a 3.75" version of this one too:

(http://www.rebelscum.com/SWFD/hasbroTFU/DSC02345.JPG)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nicklab on December 1, 2007, 03:37 PM
The trooper with the blue markings looks like something of an update on the ROTS era 501st markings.  It certainly makes me wonder if Hasbro/Lucasfilm will call that a 501st Stormtrooper.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jeff on December 1, 2007, 03:45 PM
The Hasbro mini-unleashed packaging just calls him "Stormtrooper Commander".

(http://www.rebelscum.com/SWFD/hasbroTFU/DSC02348.JPG)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nicklab on December 1, 2007, 03:49 PM
Oh.  Well that solves that.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: evenflow on December 1, 2007, 05:05 PM
The blue one looks better than the red.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: JangoTat on December 1, 2007, 06:11 PM
the blue stormy looks wicked, i am soo army building that guy.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Paul on December 1, 2007, 11:14 PM
Pass, Pass, Pass and Pass...

Maybe they can make the imperial officer girl in Fanta Colors....

Don't you wanta?
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nathan on December 2, 2007, 12:27 AM
The blue one doesn't look half bad actually. He'd be even better if the helmet stripe was centered though.

My main problem with the red one is the weird helmet markings and the seemingly green goggles.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 2, 2007, 09:11 AM
The only one I could tolerate (aside from the Black one which we already have) is the grey one.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: DoctorPadawan on December 2, 2007, 01:41 PM
The FU stuff doesn't interest me much at all, to be quite honest, although I definitely fall on the side of the Stormie purists.  I never had a problem with the Clones having different colors according to their legion or rank up until the point that the Empire was established.  After that point, I saw the armor becoming the equivalent of the Republic/Imperial Star Destroyers and V-Wing Fighters going from having colored accents to flat gray; for all intents and purposes, the war was over and there was no need for individuality or identification with anything other than the Empire itself.

I'll probably wind up getting the two specialized troopers with all the gear, and maybe Vader just for the "beaten all to hell" look, but everything else (other than 2" Unleashed, which I will buy) will be getting a pass from me. 

That said, the second Stormie from the left seems like the Covert Ops Clone Trooper paint scheme for some reason.  There's no stupid purple accents (How Covert!  ::) ), but otherwise, it has that same kind of look.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nathan on December 2, 2007, 03:07 PM
The only one I could tolerate (aside from the Black one which we already have) is the grey one.

Interesting, because I was thinking that was the weakest of the four. By now I'm used to the jet-black Shadow Troopers, and I can sort of understand it from a secret-police/Imperial-guards/psychological-intimidation standpoint ... but splitting the difference and making a grey one seems completely pointless to me.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Phrubruh on December 2, 2007, 03:43 PM
Why do I have a bad feeling that the next rerelease of the original Star Wars triliogy on DVD will feature multicolored stormtroopers? Can't you just see these guys chasing Han around the Death Star?
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: JangoTat on December 2, 2007, 05:01 PM
does the blue guy have a removable helmet? cause i noticed his helm looks "fatter" then the otheres.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Darby on December 2, 2007, 05:55 PM
The Skittles Troopers don't bother me, but they don't interest me, either.  Where I would have an issue is if Lucas were to redo the OT again with this kind of thing.  Hasbro can 'batman' the line all they want to.  Sometimes it's cool, most times it's not, and pocketbooks will decide. 
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on December 3, 2007, 11:48 AM
I'll probably wind up getting the two specialized troopers with all the gear, and maybe Vader just for the "beaten all to hell" look, but everything else (other than 2" Unleashed, which I will buy) will be getting a pass from me. 

They are the only TFU Stormies that interest me too. They make sense and look more official, the others Stormies are just too over the top. The Gun metal gray Stormie compared to Black Stormie does not really make sense, not that big of a difference. I thought the Black Stormies were stupid but at least they were in the official imperial color spectrum.

Overall Clones have seemed to slow down and this seems like an effort to try and recreate the army building buzz. I wish this game would just come out already I am ready for the new Clone Wars stuff! Who knows what crazy colors await us there.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on December 3, 2007, 11:56 AM
does the blue guy have a removable helmet? cause i noticed his helm looks "fatter" then the otheres.

Good eye... and damnit, I think you're right.  I don't mind removable helmets on Stormies if the helmets don't look "fatter" but it does appear to be that way.

As for these new Stormies, I don't care for the Shadow repack or the "Covert" Trooper.  I always thought that if they really wanted to be covert, they'd be in jumpsuits not cumbersome armor.  So the Covert Trooper will be an easy pass for me as I feel the entire concept is lame.  I might grab a couple of the Shadow Trooper however as I already have a couple of the original version/Blackhole Trooper (or whatever they're calling these now).

I'll probably want to play the game before I know just how many of the red/blue Stormies that I want.  Probably 3-4 of each.  They'll most likely sit in a box until I get to a point in my photonovel series where I might find a use for them... I'm hoping they are in a Battle Pack but if that's the case, they might throw the Covert Stormie in there, which would tick me off.

Regarding if Lucas will alter the OT Stormies in the films, I highly doubt he'd ever do that. 

Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Desfiy on December 3, 2007, 01:12 PM
Never doubt the lows Lucas will sink to get a Buck, hell hes already altered the OT to much but it hasnt stopped him.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Darth Broem on December 3, 2007, 02:25 PM
Never doubt the lows Lucas will sink to get a Buck, hell hes already altered the OT to much but it hasnt stopped him.

At first I would think "No" George would not do that, but he likes to tinker and wants  those films out there in 3-D form someday.  So, I would not put it past the man to change them.  THEN I could see people justified in getting mad about these multi-colored stormtroopers.  I would even be mad about that.  But this video game altering of them does not bother me that much.  It looks odd I admit, but that's all.

Hey, there is a bright side to all this.  Everyone loves that VOTC mold so much.  Here's a way to buy them at retail and then paint them white or whatever.  I might even be able to tackle that :)   
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Desfiy on December 4, 2007, 04:18 PM
Actually thats what I was thinking of doing getting this lot and paiting them white, or using goo of to remove the paint.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Rune Haako on December 4, 2007, 05:38 PM
Vader's Secret Apprentice figure confirmed!


From, http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/toyfare/006564394.cfm

Do you know if he’s getting an action figure from Hasbro?

WITWER: He’s getting at least one figure.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jesse James on December 4, 2007, 05:57 PM
Hasbro already confirmed he's getting a figure a while back IIRC.
Title: Re: 2008 Wave 2 - The Force Unleashed
Post by: jedipurge on December 10, 2007, 02:23 PM
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/StormCommander.jpg
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on December 10, 2007, 02:42 PM
Hasbro already confirmed he's getting a figure a while back IIRC.

Looks like he might be getting another outfit too... while looking on ebay for Force Unleashed stuff, I saw a bit of a spoiler regarding the character.  Might already be common news, but I wasn't aware of it...
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Jeff on December 10, 2007, 02:58 PM
Looks like he might be getting another outfit too...

Well, most rumors say that the game is like other SW games (KotOR, etc) in that you can choose to play him falling to "dark side" or "light side" of the force.  It's leading to a lot of "Evolution" pack rumors with the Apprentice - 1 fig for the outfit from the start of the game and then 1 fig for the "light" ending and 1 for the "dark" ending.  Just rumors for now though...


Also, from that RS link, it looks like the Blue Storm Commander is going to be carded.  Since he's not in the TFU wave, and Hasbro says only 1 TFU wave, maybe he'll be a Target/TRU/? exclusive to counter these Wal-Mart box exclusives.  Or maybe he'll end up in a later EU type wave?

Should be interesting to see how it all shakes out...
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on December 10, 2007, 03:05 PM
Ah, that would make sense if you can play as either Good or Evil, because the figure I saw of him wasn't evil...
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: ctonra on December 11, 2007, 10:37 AM
Chewie,
          Where did you see the figure??   what did it look like?
Any pics?
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on December 11, 2007, 10:54 AM
Here's an image - APPRENTICE REDEEMED (http://chewie34.250free.com/APPRENTICE.jpg)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: jedi_master_sal on December 11, 2007, 11:01 AM
Here's an image - APPRENTICE REDEEMED (http://chewie34.250free.com/APPRENTICE.jpg)

That's a mini though. No guarantee that it will be made into a 3 3/4 figure. Looks like a generic Jedi to boot. Then again at the mini scale it's herd to get detail, so a "redeemed" figure might look s nicer at 3 3/4 scale.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on December 11, 2007, 11:43 AM
Yeah, it's a mini - but I thought I heard there would be two figures of the Apprentice, so it's possible that this outfit will be incorporated into a 3-3/4 figure... I hope so actually, it looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nicklab on December 11, 2007, 12:04 PM
The Force Unleashed deluxe lightsaber set has a green saber and a red saber...that could indicate that there are multiple paths for Secret Apprentice to travel.  So a light side and dark side version seem likely.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on December 11, 2007, 12:08 PM
The Force Unleashed deluxe lightsaber set has a green saber and a red saber...that could indicate that there are multiple paths for Secret Apprentice to travel.  So a light side and dark side version seem likely.

That's good news about the saber - I'd say you're right, there will probably be a light and dark side of the figure then... imagine though if they dropped a bomb like this -

Nice Jedi

(http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS/rots05dlxpalpatinehead1.jpg)



Mean Jedi

(http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS/rots05dlxpalpatinehead3.jpg)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: Nicklab on December 18, 2007, 03:31 PM
I saw the Force Unleashed color-change lightsaber today at retail.  Looks like things are starting to make their way out.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: JangoTat on December 18, 2007, 03:43 PM
im not sure if these have been out for a while or not but i saw the minatures at a local TRU.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed?
Post by: CHEWIE on December 18, 2007, 04:36 PM
That's awesome that there have been some leaks already... I've got a friend who just started as an electornics rep, and has access to the stockrooms... I'll tell him to keep an eye out.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed - Stormtrooper Repaints
Post by: jedi_master_sal on December 21, 2007, 02:10 PM
Yeah, I am REALLY hoping for a Proxy figure. It's a neat take on 3PO. Similar but with these illuminated purple ringed holo projectors on several places on his frame.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed - Stormtrooper Repaints
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 21, 2007, 03:15 PM
I guess for me, there's still too much mis-information going on regarding exactly what we're getting for The Force Unleashed sub-line. I want to believe the 411 report, but it has had some things wrong in past years. I want to believe Hasbro's comment that there will not be any more Force Unleashed figures beyond Wave 2, but this whole discussion centers around a figure that isn't in Wave 2 but is clearly based on The Force Unleashed.

I understand Hasbro has to be hush-hush - it makes the buyers for WalMart and Target feel like they're working for the CIA. Also, Hasbro doesn't want their ideas to get out before they're in stores 'cause the Mattel and Playmates lines for The Force Unleashed might steal some of their ideas and make their Force Unleashed figures even better.  ::)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed - Stormtrooper Repaints
Post by: Darth Vorax on December 24, 2007, 12:55 AM
I dont like Morrison being used so much or 501st guys.

These figures are so-so. The worst thing about the Stormtroopers is that they are terribly dated. Their boots alone are so 1970ish its laughable.

Biggest complaint though is the lack of the old Kenner blasters, they were the best, not these dinky things they give now, WTF?!
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed - Stormtrooper Repaints
Post by: Jesse James on December 24, 2007, 01:54 AM
The "dinky" things are to-scale to the figures...  Well, usually. :)

So...  Yeah, Kenner guns are just a tad (like about 5 times) too big. ;)  Not something I'd like to go back to...  Like going back to buff sculpts and things.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed - Stormtrooper Repaints
Post by: Darth Vorax on December 24, 2007, 03:05 AM
Well at least they looked like some kinda Assault rifle..besides they remind me of that old Stormtrooper toy gun I used to play around with. :)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed - Stormtrooper Repaints
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 24, 2007, 10:07 AM

Biggest complaint though is the lack of the old Kenner blasters, they were the best, not these dinky things they give now, WTF?!

I got a ton of those old ones if you wanna swap...   ;D
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed - Stormtrooper Repaints
Post by: Darth Vorax on December 24, 2007, 01:49 PM

Biggest complaint though is the lack of the old Kenner blasters, they were the best, not these dinky things they give now, WTF?!

I got a ton of those old ones if you wanna swap...   ;D

Do ya?  ;)

I just like these better:(I think the closest we have now is the Battle Droid blasters, which I like to equip my Imperial with)
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1111/potf2stormtrooperblasterf4.jpg)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed - Stormtrooper Repaints
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 26, 2007, 10:27 AM

Biggest complaint though is the lack of the old Kenner blasters, they were the best, not these dinky things they give now, WTF?!

I got a ton of those old ones if you wanna swap...   ;D

Do ya?  ;)

I just like these better:(I think the closest we have now is the Battle Droid blasters, which I like to equip my Imperial with)
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1111/potf2stormtrooperblasterf4.jpg)

Well, that exact one, with the ridges on the grip, is IG-88's gun. I don't have extra's of that one, but the the non-IG-88 blasters that are the same exact size, I have a ton of.
Title: More from The Force Unleashed
Post by: MetalJedi on February 7, 2008, 01:43 AM
It would be cool if they made this guy. I'm always keen to new alien Jedi.

(http://www.vanityfair.com/images/culture/2008/03/cusl06_lucas0803.jpg)

Kazdan Paratus

Title: More from The Force Unleashed
Post by: Jesse James on February 7, 2008, 01:47 AM
Yeah, he's supposedly a Jedi that kinda goes off the deepend post-Order-66, and that makes him cool to me...  Plus he's smaller which I think makes him cool in design, but that's me.  I guess in FU he can use the force to put together "junk" into destructive "beast-like" things...  Sounds like a real freak.
Title: More from The Force Unleashed
Post by: evenflow on February 7, 2008, 08:14 AM
I would buy a figure of him.
Title: More from The Force Unleashed
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 7, 2008, 09:05 AM
It would be cool if they made this guy. I'm always keen to new alien Jedi.

(http://www.vanityfair.com/images/culture/2008/03/cusl06_lucas0803.jpg)

Kazdan Paratus



They have in miniature form!
(http://www.wizards.com/swminis/SWM/FU/kazdan_paratus.jpg)
Here's his stat's from the mini game:
Kazdan Paratus
Set:   Force Unleashed
Faction:   Republic   Number:    2/60
Cost:   55   Rarity:   R
Attack   12   Hit Points:   110
Damage:   20   Defense:   18
Special:   
Unique. Melee Attack; Double Attack
Affinity (May be in a Rebel squad)
Droid Mark (When this character activates, you may choose an allied Droid character within 6 squares. Until the start of the next round, that character gains Draw Fire [If an enemy targets an ally within 6 squares of this character, you may force that enemy to target this character instead if it can; save 11])
Immediate Droid Reserves 30 (If you roll exactly 5, 10, 15, or 20 for initiative, you can add up to 30 points of non-Unique Droid characters from any faction to your squad, adjacent to this character, immediately before your first activation of the round)
Force:   
Force 3
Lightsaber Block (Force 1: When hit by a melee attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Lightsaber Deflect (Force 1: When hit by a nonmelee attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Surprise Move (Force 1; Once per round, after initiative is determined, this character can immediately move up to his Speed before any other character activates)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: CHEWIE on February 7, 2008, 10:42 AM
That alien's face just doesn't look Star Wars to me... give him solid black eyes or something, and I can buy into it more.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: David on February 7, 2008, 10:50 AM
That guy looks really cool. He kind of reminds me of Tsui Choi with arms on his back.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 7, 2008, 12:23 PM
From the looks of it, the arms are appendages much like Dr. Octopus or Iron Spider. They are not part of his fleshly form.

They may be an extension of his rather unique Force skill of compiling junk parts to form working creatures.

I'm really interested in seeing how that part plays out in the game. The small vid that's now out there shows a little of this and it looks very cool.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: ctonra on February 7, 2008, 02:14 PM
Interesting that the article lists only the Playstation and Xbox formats for the game now and not for the Wii.   
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 7, 2008, 03:39 PM
Interesting that the article lists only the Playstation and Xbox formats for the game now and not for the Wii.   

Would be nice if that meant we are getting teh game sooner than Wii owners. No offense to those who were going to get this for Wii, but dang, I want to play that game now not later...
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 8, 2008, 09:07 AM
Slightly OT, but does anyone know if this will be a multiplayer game for the 360?
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: CHEWIE on February 8, 2008, 12:18 PM
Anton, I think I read somewhere that it's one player only.
Title: TFU
Post by: JangoTat on February 9, 2008, 11:16 PM
Anton, I think I read somewhere that it's one player only.


i thought they said something about it having multiplayer duals for the Wii  :-X im not sure though.
Title: TFU rumors
Post by: Brian on April 3, 2008, 12:40 PM
I was listening to the new Collector Cast (through the Force Cast) with Dan Curto, and at about the 38:20 mark in the podcast, he starts talking about some rumors that they have heard.  Items mentioned were some one-time planned multi-packs (apparently briefly listed at TRU.com) for Force Unleashed.  There was a "heroes" pack and a "villains" pack, with each pack basically containing slight repaints or tweaks of the previous figures and one new figure for each pack - Shaak Ti for the Heroes and Palpatine for the villains.  He does say that these have since been cancelled, and they don't know when/if these will show up.  He also mentions a rumored Comic Pack with Shaak Ti and the Secret Apprentice, but with the delays of the game/comic, it might not be until next year (if ever).  Just thought I'd pass it along, for anyone interested.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: CHEWIE on April 3, 2008, 02:14 PM
Thank you very much for that tidbit Brian... a new Shaak Ti and Palpatine from the game?  Man I hope that comes to light.   :-\
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Phrubruh on April 3, 2008, 03:06 PM
I think Shaak Ti is the only character in the Star Wars universe that has done more after she died than when she was alive.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Nathan on April 3, 2008, 03:54 PM
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/b/ba/Bobafettfall.jpg)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: jedipurge on April 3, 2008, 05:31 PM
I think Shaak Ti is the only character in the Star Wars universe that has done more after she died than when she was alive.

So she's like Tu Pac for the Star Wars universe.  :P
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: JesseVader08 on April 3, 2008, 10:29 PM
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/b/ba/Bobafettfall.jpg)

Uh, explain please?
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: MetalJedi on April 3, 2008, 10:33 PM
Did Shaak Ti die in the movie? I'm unaware of any scene where she dies.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: David on April 3, 2008, 11:29 PM
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/b/ba/Bobafettfall.jpg)

 ::)

(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2EUcloneemperorfr.jpg)

 ::)
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: DSJ™ on April 3, 2008, 11:38 PM
(http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/potf2/POTF2EUcloneemperorfr.jpg)

 ::)

(http://www.telusplanet.net/public/djustus/redx.gif)   ::)   :-*
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 4, 2008, 12:38 AM
Did Shaak Ti die in the movie? I'm unaware of any scene where she dies.

There was the cut scene where Grievous killed her, and Ithink there was a scene that was cut where Anakin killed her in the temple.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Nathan on April 4, 2008, 01:36 AM
Uh, explain please?

Whoops ... I had thought it was fairly common knowledge among even those who are otherwise EU-illiterate. In the EU, Boba escapes from the Sarlacc and continues to hang around for many years after the trilogy.

And before a bunch of you guys go off all half-cocked about the Exhausted Universe ... supposedly George originally wanted a shot of Boba Fett crawling out of the Sarlacc and thought about adding this into the Special Edition. So at least lay blame where it belongs.

Boba's survival was first revealed in 1991's Dark Empire comic which, as Robo-Quack illustrated, also shows Palpatine returning in clone format.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Nathan on April 4, 2008, 01:38 AM
As for Shaak Ti: (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shaak_Ti#Unused_death_scenes)

"Shaak Ti had two different death scenes at various stages of Revenge of the Sith's development, but they were both deleted and confirmed by Star Wars Insider 87 that neither scene is canonical, and that she was still alive at the end of Revenge of the Sith as Shaak Ti is later seen alive in hologram form during a Jedi Council meeting. This was later backed up by her appearance in the video game Star Wars: The Force Unleashed.

It has been reported that Shaak Ti will appear as the main antagonist in The Force Unleashed, and will be the primary enemy of a Sith under Vader's command which tells us that she survived Order 66 since this game is set after the events of Episode III. The exact way by which she survived is yet to be chronicled, but the upcoming LucasArts video game Star Wars: The Force Unleashed is expected to shed additional light on these events, as well as her ultimate fate.[17]

Shaak Ti is to appear on the planet of Felucia, along with several rancor under her control. Players will assume control of Darth Vader's apprentice, with Shaak Ti on the player's hit list. But rumor has it that you will have the option to side with her and turn against Vader.

The first version was leaked to many Star Wars fan sites and described in the Hyperspace article "Into The Fuel Chamber" and the book The Making of Star Wars Revenge of the Sith. In various forms of this scene, General Grievous ignites a lightsaber through her heart on the Invisible Hand with Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi looking on. This was Lucasfilm's original idea, and appeared in storyboards and early drafts of the screenplay. When it was planned for her to die onboard the Invisible Hand, her seat on the Council was going to be given to Tsui Choi, an Expanded Universe Jedi. In an earlier version Grievous reportedly decapitated her, but this death was deemed too graphic.

Another version, which was scripted, and shown in LEGO Star Wars: The Video Game, moved Shaak Ti's death to the Jedi Temple. Here, Darth Vader walks in her room, finds her meditating, and stabs her in the back. This scene was deleted, though she is still described as in meditation during the Jedi Temple assault according to the novelization. Though not described first-hand, Vader asks the Gate Guard Jurokk where Shaak Ti is. According to her article at the Databank, she is officially "believed to be killed" during the Jedi Temple assault, but her fate has not yet been canonically established.

Originally the Revenge of the Sith Shaak Ti action figure had a hole in its chest all the way through its back, but in the final released version it was filled in."
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: MetalJedi on April 4, 2008, 02:14 AM
Did Shaak Ti die in the movie? I'm unaware of any scene where she dies.

There was the cut scene where Grievous killed her, and Ithink there was a scene that was cut where Anakin killed her in the temple.

Cut scenes don't count.  ;D
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Darth_Ice on April 4, 2008, 06:20 AM
Did Shaak Ti die in the movie? I'm unaware of any scene where she dies.

There was the cut scene where Grievous killed her, and Ithink there was a scene that was cut where Anakin killed her in the temple.

Cut scenes don't count.  ;D


I think the scene where he kills her is in the novel, I might be wrong i never read the novel but it seems like I read it somewhere..anyway..Ya I think she is medatating and Vader ( sorry I'm a stickler for the fact when he attacks the temples he is not longer Anakin but Vader) comes up behind her and gets her in the back. I know there is a scene in the novel when Anakin is leaving to Palpatines office, that she tries to stop him from going.
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 4, 2008, 09:14 AM
Did Shaak Ti die in the movie? I'm unaware of any scene where she dies.

There was the cut scene where Grievous killed her, and Ithink there was a scene that was cut where Anakin killed her in the temple.

Cut scenes don't count.  ;D

But that cut scene would have made sense.  :P
Title: Re: More from The Force Unleashed? - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Jeff on September 27, 2008, 12:11 AM
It sounds like TFU Shaak Ti (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Hasbros_61st_STAR_WARS_QA_The_Answers_117838.asp) is confirmed for 2009. 

I look forward to picking one up (assuming she isn't horribly sculpted that is).  :)
Title: Re: TFU2
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on December 14, 2009, 11:51 AM
Trailer:  http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000923.html

holy crap at the "Pred-Ancor"!!!  you think they will make it???   :P
Title: Re: TFU2
Post by: Keonobi on December 14, 2009, 11:56 AM
I think I recall that Hasbro said the Apprentice (in a couple different outfits) is supposed to be in TFU sets, but what other figures have they indicated will be included?
Title: Re: TFU2
Post by: Nicklab on December 14, 2009, 11:59 AM
PROXY seems to be the most likely candidate, and I think they may do a Kazdan Paratus.
Title: Re: TFU2
Post by: Jesse James on December 14, 2009, 04:08 PM
I think I recall that Hasbro said the Apprentice (in a couple different outfits) is supposed to be in TFU sets, but what other figures have they indicated will be included?

Good, because I really was hoping for more of the main character.

The Troopers were nice and all, but I was sort of troopered out.

I'm curious to see what possibly could come of the new game.  Will Hasbro even make an effort with figures again?  I think that'd be a rough sell to them given last go-round's fiasco.  Still they're pushing more of them this year...  even one in the basic line.  Anything is possible.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: CHEWIE on December 14, 2009, 05:52 PM
Am I mistaken or has Hasbro indicated that there's two separate box sets coming at TRU in 2010?  If so, we might be seeing some TFU2 stuff packed in there... and given how good the original TFU stuff did seem to sell, hopefully Hasbro is willing to take a chance on figures from the new game as well.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: efranks on December 14, 2009, 06:30 PM
Yep, there are two boxed sets, each anchored with an Apprentice figure.  From last week's Q&A it sounded like they'd both share a body and have unique heads.

Proxy has to top the list of other characters but I don't think there have been any other solid rumors so far.  None that I can remember right now anyway.  Plenty of speculation, though.

I'm surprised we haven't had any leaks or proto pictures yet since these were supposed to be in the regular line early next year.

   E...
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 14, 2009, 06:41 PM
Am I mistaken or has Hasbro indicated that there's two separate box sets coming at TRU in 2010?  If so, we might be seeing some TFU2 stuff packed in there... and given how good the original TFU stuff did seem to sell, hopefully Hasbro is willing to take a chance on figures from the new game as well.

I'm wondering the same thing - if any of the figures in the 2010 TFU box sets will contain characters from TFU2.

I would almost prefer that they stuck to the first game with the first two box sets, perhaps even throw in a version of Starkiller from either the Tatooine or Hoth Levels and then have a sequel pair of box sets in late 2010/early 2011 that would feature figures from TFU2.

For the two box sets coming this spring, I'm hoping for:

I know a lot of those on the list above are probably never going to see the light of day, but I really do hope that they round-out the rest of the level "bosses". If they threw in the two PS2/PSP/Wii Dark Lords and then also two versions of Starkiller as a Dark Lord, Sith Lord focus collectors will flock to these sets even if it means they end up with six or eight figures they don't need.

I think it would also be great if they threw in a second better likeness Galen head that would fit on the White Jedi Robe version of the Apprentice from the Evolutions set - that outfit was sculpted pretty accurately, so all you really need is a new head to go on the figure.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: commandernarra on December 14, 2009, 08:16 PM
These would of been tooled up months ago, when most of the figures would have been a separate wave for this year. There won't be any figures representing the expansion game or especially the just revealed sequel, although I'd hope to see something farther down the track. Hasbro should really be jumping on the Video game bandwagon, and try to release figures for whatever current game is released (althought hat didn't work out to swimmingly with the first TFU wave  ;)) Who wouldn't buy figures coinciding with The Old Republic?
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: efranks on December 14, 2009, 10:21 PM
I don't play the games but I'd be up for more figures from them.

It kind of sucked for Hasbro the way the TFU wave turned out before.  They actually had everything all set and then the game delays kind of dicked them.  It's unfortunate that there couldn't be more toys launched to coincide with the games but the development lead time on both is so long it's tough.

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Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on December 14, 2009, 10:33 PM
I wonder if that Gigantic Lizard Ape that tossed the Rancor like a rag doll in the Sequel Trailer will fit in one of those boxed sets.  ;D

(That Trailer was killer)

http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=8&itemid=15183
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: iFett on December 14, 2009, 11:01 PM
I wonder if that Gigantic Lizard Ape that tossed the Rancor like a rag doll in the Sequel Trailer will fit in one of those boxed sets.  ;D

No - look at how badly TFU Rancor sold.  I saw a mountain on clearance for $9 somethingish - not to mention the build up of ROTJ Rancors still rotting..  Plus this thing is WAY too big.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: efranks on December 15, 2009, 02:52 AM
I wish I could have found the TFU Ranco for $9, I would have bought it.  It sold rather well here which is surprising.  The Jabba's Palace version is not selling, however.  A few have moved but there's always at least one on the shelf.

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Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on December 15, 2009, 08:40 AM
I wish I could have found the TFU Ranco for $9, I would have bought it.  It sold rather well here which is surprising.  The Jabba's Palace version is not selling, however.  A few have moved but there's always at least one on the shelf.

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Same thing in my area.  The TFU one didn't sit long enough to hit clearance prices.  I personally didn't buy one because I knew a ROTJ version (which I happily paid full price for when it was released) had to be right around the corner.  But had I see one clearanced for under $20 I would have bought a TFU version. 
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: commander apoc on December 15, 2009, 11:44 AM
I wonder if that Gigantic Lizard Ape that tossed the Rancor like a rag doll in the Sequel Trailer will fit in one of those boxed sets.  ;D

(That Trailer was killer)

http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=8&itemid=15183

maybe it does fit in a box.... but nothing else will......

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/a7/RancorTosser.JPG)
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: CHEWIE on December 15, 2009, 12:12 PM
That beast would be awesome, but I highly doubt it will be made.  I think the only reason we got the TFU Rancor was because Hasbro knew they could use the mold for a ROTJ Rancor too.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: King_Maul on December 15, 2009, 02:25 PM
This gigantic beast looks awesome.  If it does get made, how big will this thing be???  I doubt that it will get made.  The trailer looks fantastic btw.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 15, 2009, 06:06 PM
These would of been tooled up months ago, when most of the figures would have been a separate wave for this year. There won't be any figures representing the expansion game or especially the just revealed sequel, although I'd hope to see something farther down the track. Hasbro should really be jumping on the Video game bandwagon, and try to release figures for whatever current game is released (althought hat didn't work out to swimmingly with the first TFU wave  ;)) Who wouldn't buy figures coinciding with The Old Republic?

I think figures of Starkiller from either the Tatooine or Hoth levels are still a possibility. Just because they would have needed to be tooled up "months ago", that doesn't mean that the 3D models for either outfit or even detailed drawings of either out weren't available "months ago". It's not like LucasArts coded up the Hoth level on a Monday and released the game the next day, when it comes to stuff like this, there's always the possibility that enough lead time was available for things to be considered, nevermind the fact that those sets are still four to five months away, so they could literally be waiting on finishing up one last figure for each set as we speak.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Nicklab on December 15, 2009, 11:21 PM
Actually, in a recent Q&A response Hasbro stated that the new TFU sets would NOT be themed around the Ultimate Sith Edition.  But they said nothing about TFU2.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on December 16, 2009, 08:30 AM
I wonder if Hasbro would make a blind Rahm Kota?  I am just playing TFU for the first time right now and I am at the part where Maris Brood is seemingly turning evil holding Bail captive. 

Anyway, the blind Rahm Kota would be an easy one I could see Hasbro cheaping out on - just needing a new head.  Plus, I could see Hasbro putting him out again for another reason - my son just got the new Battlefront game for the Nintendo DS and I briefly saw that "blind Rahm Kota" is in that too.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on December 16, 2009, 12:14 PM
I wonder if that Gigantic Lizard Ape that tossed the Rancor like a rag doll in the Sequel Trailer will fit in one of those boxed sets.  ;D

No - look at how badly TFU Rancor sold.  I saw a mountain on clearance for $9 somethingish - not to mention the build up of ROTJ Rancors still rotting..  Plus this thing is WAY too big.

 ;)I was just kidding. Although they made the dumb ass Cloverfield Monster.....

I look forward to these sets whatever they are. TFU is some of the best EU material to use and with a year with less Legacy I really welcome these.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: jedi_master_sal on December 16, 2009, 03:16 PM
In order for there to be a toy of the Predabeast (my name for the creature that tossed the Rancor around), it would have to be the size of a human. So how about a costume then? YOU can be the Predabeast tossing your toy Rancor around and the Action Figure would be the right size. Just a thought.

Man that would be a sight to see at Celebration 5!
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Mister Skeezler on December 16, 2009, 04:36 PM
Isn't that beast another one of those King Rancors from the first game?
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 16, 2009, 08:57 PM
You're thinking of the Bull Rancor Lando and they were not much bigger than a normal Rancor.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Mister Skeezler on December 17, 2009, 01:52 PM
Ah yes, that's right. Hopefully this doesn't turn out to be yet another caste of Rancor. When I first saw the trailer and the thing was stepping into the light, I thought for a split second that it was going to be the Gorax. Obviously I was quickly aware that it wasn't, but it would be kind of cool...
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: jedi_master_sal on December 17, 2009, 02:32 PM
Yeah, a Gorax would have been very cool as well. A nice tie-in to the Ewok movie.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on December 17, 2009, 02:47 PM
Yeah, a Gorax would have been very cool as well. A nice tie-in to the Ewok movie.

I have been screaming this at RS.com - we need a "build-a-Gorax" line!!!
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: CHEWIE on December 18, 2009, 12:04 PM
Build a Gorax... love the idea, but I just can not ever see that happening.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 20, 2009, 03:25 PM
Sorry ... but what's a Gorax?  :-X Is it like anothey caste of Rancor?
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Greg on December 20, 2009, 03:55 PM
;)I was just kidding. Although they made the dumb ass Cloverfield Monster.....



Apparently a bunch of people (myself included) thought the Cloverfield toy was cool. It sold out without having any markdowns, which is better than the other big toys. (Star Wars and GI Joe)
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: McMetal on December 20, 2009, 08:42 PM
;)I was just kidding. Although they made the dumb ass Cloverfield Monster.....


Apparently a bunch of people (myself included) thought the Cloverfield toy was cool. It sold out without having any markdowns, which is better than the other big toys. (Star Wars and GI Joe)

Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. That toy was freaking awesome, and good luck finding one ANYWHERE for less than $100. It's still on my want list.
Title: Re: More from TFU - Rumors/Speculation
Post by: Keonobi on December 21, 2009, 09:25 AM
Sorry ... but what's a Gorax?  :-X Is it like anothey caste of Rancor?

IIRC the Gorax is the giant from the Ewok Adventure.