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Title: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on May 22, 2007, 11:16 PM
Figured this didn't really belong under the old one so much, but the draft lottery results are in as follows:

Portland
Seattle
Atlanta
Memphis
Boston :'(
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Charlotte
Chicago (from New York)
Sacramento
Atlanta
Philadelphia
New Orleans
LA Clippers

Much speculation about the Celtics throwing games at the end of the season (so much for Celtic Pride  ::)) So much for bettering your odds.  Obviously Portland gets a lot better really quickly, considering the size of their team plus adding Oden/Durant.  Seattle gets the poor second choice but it will be a nice big man for sure.  Maybe not dominant early on but a solid, solid big guy.  Atlanta with two picks in there is in for some interesting times, so long as they pick well. 
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: JayDouble on May 23, 2007, 02:18 AM
Seattle is very intriguing.  If they're left with Durant do they resign Rahsard Lewis too? 
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: JediMAC on May 23, 2007, 03:17 AM
I hear the Lakers are trying to move up into the top 2, and are working on a deal to send Smush Parker to the Northwest for either of those picks.

P.S.  Nice job, as always, Celt's!  :-*  (Len Bias curse still in full effect, I see)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Darth Slothus on May 23, 2007, 03:19 AM
?? Smushed Parker?? Who Dat? Nobody wants him anyway. The Lakers would do better to buy a championship ring by adding KG anyhow.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Scott on May 23, 2007, 08:31 AM
Wolves have gotten screwed each and every single year in the lottery so I wasn't holding my breath.  KG to LA rumors keep popping up.  I think there is some smoke there.  I'd want at least Bynum, Parker and Odom though and probably a couple of #1's
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: JayDouble on May 23, 2007, 11:48 AM
The best thing for Minnesota is to make a trade with Phoenix.  I think they're offering Marion and 2 1st round picks.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on May 23, 2007, 12:56 PM
I hear the Lakers are trying to move up into the top 2, and are working on a deal to send Smush Parker to the Northwest for either of those picks.

I realize that most NBA GMs are borderline retarded, but I can't think of anyone who would give up either Oden or Durant for Smush Parker.  Well ... except for maybe Isiah.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on May 23, 2007, 05:18 PM
I hear the Lakers are trying to move up into the top 2, and are working on a deal to send Smush Parker to the Northwest for either of those picks.

I realize that most NBA GMs are borderline retarded, but I can't think of anyone who would give up either Oden or Durant for Smush Parker.  Well ... except for maybe Isiah.

and of course the ridiculously bad Knickerbockers do not even have a 1st round draft pick to trade for Smush.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on May 30, 2007, 02:00 PM
Kobe wants out. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927)  This should be interesting to see how things develop here, he sounds pretty set on things.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on May 30, 2007, 05:36 PM
Kobe wants out. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927)  This should be interesting to see how things develop here, he sounds pretty set on things.

it will definitely be interesting to see who all tries to land the most hated man in basketball.  i hope it is not the mavs.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 14, 2007, 04:04 PM
Three player trade (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070614/ap_on_sp_bk_ne/bkn_rockets_timberwolves_trade) today between the Rockets and T-Wolves.

Wolves Get:

F Juwan Howard

Rockets Get:

G Mike James
G/F Justin Reed
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 18, 2007, 06:31 PM


it will definitely be interesting to see who all tries to land the most hated man in basketball. 

Dwyane Wade's on the trading block?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on June 18, 2007, 10:07 PM


it will definitely be interesting to see who all tries to land the most hated man in basketball. 

Dwyane Wade's on the trading block?

He might be, but that's a better "block" than the one that your favorite player will inevitably end up on this summer.  The cell block .....

 :P

Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Jeff on June 18, 2007, 10:21 PM
Man, it's only mid-June and I'm already tired of the countless KG trade rumors the local sports talk guys throw at the wall...

KG to the Celtics, KG to Indy, KG for Kobe, KG for Amare...  ::)

The worst part is that I know it's going to drag on and on and on until the Vikings start training camp and distract the talking heads again...
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 18, 2007, 10:37 PM
Man, it's only mid-June and I'm already tired of the countless KG trade rumors the local sports talk guys throw at the wall...

KG to the Celtics, KG to Indy, KG for Kobe, KG for Amare...  ::)

The worst part is that I know it's going to drag on and on and on until the Vikings start training camp and distract the talking heads again...

Reminds me of Yankees offseason here in NY from November to March.  When there's nothing else to talk about it's.  "Are ARod and Jeter enemies?  Are they friends?  Are they lovers?!"

Every town has their offseason non-story that goes on for years.  KG will end up like AI eventually though.  It'll probably be sometime this season when the Wolves have a bad first 30-40 games or something.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on June 18, 2007, 11:31 PM
KG to the Celtics, KG to Indy, KG for Kobe, KG for Amare...  ::)


don't forget about KG for everybody on the mavs except Dirk.  sports radio here has been dying trying to come up with anything to talk about since the mavs and stars had such short post seasons.   its really funny to hear the hosts actually talk about the twolves trading KG for Jet Terry and some scrubs.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 22, 2007, 12:27 PM
Garnett trade speculation continues: Garnett says "no" to Boston (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2912075).

Apparently a deal was close to being struck between the Celtics and Wolves, until Garnett said he didn't want to play in Boston (and wouldn't sign an extension next summer).  Here's the pieces rumored to be involved:

Wolves Get: Al Jefferson, Next Week's Draft's No. 5, Theo Ratliff, Wally Szczerbiak, and Sebastian Telfair

Boston Gets: Kevin Garnett, Troy Hudson

It sounds like Garnett's team of choice - if he has to be traded - is Phoenix.  As much as I would love to see Garnett and Nash play together, I don't know whether I would give up Stoudemire for that or not, seeing as he's only 24 and seems to be doing well after his surgery.  I'm sure Minnesota would want Stoudemire though.  If somehow Phoenix can work out a deal involving Marion and others, that might be interesting.  It would be neat to see two of my favorite players united on the same team:

(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0621/nba_g_garnett_nash_275.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Scott on June 22, 2007, 12:32 PM
Marion will not play here or Boston so really it seems like it is going to have to be Stoudamire for Garnett...I'd of done that Boston deal in a heartbeat...too bad it didn't work out :-[
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 22, 2007, 12:42 PM
Yeah, I heard that about Marion as well - and if I were Minnesota, I'd rather have Stoudemire anyways.  A young big man to build the team around can't hurt things, and players like Randy Foye, Rashad McCants, and Craig Smith improving, its not a bad rebuilding.  The deal with Boston probably wouldn't have been terrible from that standpoint either.  I'd hate to see Garnett leaving Minny, but if there was one place I'd like to see him go, it would be Phoenix.  I'd be curious what he and Nash would be like playing together.  Both are getting older, but have plenty of juice left.  Its definitely shaping up to be an interesting summer with Garnett and Kobe rumors swirling, it could be a very different NBA next season.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on June 22, 2007, 01:25 PM
I thought Phoenix was unloading Marion due to salary cap issues?  If that's the case, how can swapping Stoudemire for Garnett be remotely helpful?  Then they'd be sitting on Marion and Garnett in addition to the others??  I don't get that. 

Funny that Garnett won't go to Boston.  Being a Celtics fan that kind of stings.  In spite of that, is he admitting he can't help the team or is he only wanting to go to an immediate contender?  I can understand a lack of faith in Ainge, I share that feeling.  But if a team is a contender, is he the guy to push them over the edge to the top?  I kind of don't think so.  Garnett in Phoenix for Stoudemire (or Marion) isn't going to be the key to push them over, IMO. 
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 22, 2007, 10:23 PM

Funny that Garnett won't go to Boston. 

He won't agree to go to any team that can't win a championship.

Phoenix has a nice chance to win next year.  They might have won this year if not for Amare coming up off the bench during the non-fight.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on June 22, 2007, 11:14 PM

Funny that Garnett won't go to Boston. 

He won't agree to go to any team that can't win a championship.

Phoenix has a nice chance to win next year.  They might have won this year if not for Amare coming up off the bench during the non-fight.

I think I said that above, didn't I?  Ah well, thanks for confirming the usual BS from an NBA star.  I wanna win but I'm not good enough so I have to go to a gooder team ;)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on June 25, 2007, 05:28 PM
Ah well, thanks for confirming the usual BS from an NBA star.  I wanna win but I'm not good enough so I have to go to a gooder team ;)

i would be with you on this except KG stuck it out for a very long time with the twolves and they never really got him any help.  now i think he is too old to be part of a rebuilding process.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on June 25, 2007, 08:14 PM
Well ... it looks like Kobe may be getting the help he asked for:

Lakers, Wolves reportedly in talks regarding Garnett (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2916217)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 25, 2007, 11:27 PM
Well ... it looks like Kobe may be getting the help he asked for:

Lakers, Wolves reportedly in talks regarding Garnett (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2916217)

I just heard a possible 4 team trade involving the Lakers, Wolves, Pacers and Celtics.

I don't think I heard the complete report but it's something like Garnett to Lakers (Kobe would stay then), Jermaine O'Neal to Celtics, a **** load of first round draft picks to the Wolves, picks and players to the Pacers.  Possibly Odom, Bynum, Telfair, Green moving here and there with that.  Maybe Al Jefferson.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on June 26, 2007, 08:35 AM
Yeah, that's what originally was being discussed, but I think that one of the teams (not sure which) didn't feel that they were getting enough in the trade, so it fell through.  At that point, Minnesota started dealing directly with LA. 
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Matt on June 26, 2007, 08:42 AM
Ah well, thanks for confirming the usual BS from an NBA star.  I wanna win but I'm not good enough so I have to go to a gooder team ;)

That phenomenon isn't exactly exclusive to the NBA, sir:

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/04/us_sport_us_sport0s_2004_in_pictures/img/4.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 26, 2007, 09:12 AM
I heard about the Garnett to Lakers rumors last night as well, and saw the recap on Sportscenter this morning.  From what I remember, this is what the rumored deal looked like:

Lakers Get: Kevin Garnett
Wolves Get: 2007 #5 Draft Pick, Al Jefferson
Pacers Get: Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum
Celtics Get: Jermaine O'Neal

I can't remember if someone else was included to the Celtics or not, but that was the jist of it.  Personally, I kind of hope that Garnett doesn't end up in L.A. I don't know, I've just never been a big Lakers fan and I'm not too crazy about seeing one of my favorite players go there.  What's crazy is, on ESPN this morning, they said that "Bryant's Camp" said this made no difference and he would still want to be traded.  That almost seems like he's being difficult just to be difficult, because I would think a Kobe-KG combo would definitely be a threat.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on June 26, 2007, 10:06 AM
Is there enough basketball for Kobe/KG to play together?  Who gets the assists?  Oh right, no one.   :-*
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on June 26, 2007, 03:49 PM
Is there enough basketball for Kobe/KG to play together?  Who gets the assists?  Oh right, no one.   :-*

Garnett is the furthest thing from a ballhog.  If anything, he's a bit too unselfish at times.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on June 26, 2007, 04:16 PM
No argument there, but a guy who averages 30+ with a guy who averages 25+ (or so) on the same team?  I sense bad chemistry, maybe not right away, but soon enough.  After all, how will KG adapt to a guy taking bad shots when he's pretty open?  And yes, Kobe can be amazing, but I just don't see them playing well together over the long run.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on June 26, 2007, 05:36 PM
it looks like the lakers are willing to trade their present and their future for KG.   i would be surprised if the lakers were super sucessful if this trade goes thru.  you need look no farther than houston to see what happens when 2 great players have no help at all.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 27, 2007, 09:18 AM
Now it sounds like the Garnett to Lakers business might be done.  The current chatter is that Phoenix is back in the mix (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2917781) with two different scenarios - one involving Boston as a third team, the other involving Atlanta.

Trade 1
Minnesota Gets:
No. 5 Pick
Undisclosed Players from Celtics/Suns

Phoenix Gets:
Kevin Garnett

Boston Gets:
Shawn Marion

Trade 2
Minnesota Gets:
No. 3 and No. 11 Picks (plus cap-friendly contracts from both teams)

Phoenix Gets:
Kevin Garnett

Atlanta Gets:
Amare Stoudemire

I'm hoping the Boston version works out, despite the fact that Marion doesn't seem to want to play there (nor does anyone else, it seems lately).  A starting five with Nash, Garnett, and Stoudemire would be pretty amazing.  As much as I like Garnett though, I don't know if I would give up Stoudemire to get him if I was Phoenix.  He's basically 10 years younger, and was 1st team All-NBA the year after his injury/surgery.  He could still have quite a bright future.  Unless it was a situation where he was going to bolt (isn't he under contract for awhile yet?) or a big problem within the team, I would hang onto Amare.  It sounds like Minny wants to get a deal done before the draft on Thursday, so we'll see how things work out.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Scott on June 27, 2007, 09:54 AM
That Hotlanta/Phoenix deal is the one I'm hoping for...3 picks in the top 11, plus a chance to sign a big free agent next year and Foye and McCants and Craig Smith.  Watch out in about 3 years.  Trade 1 supposedly involves Al Jefferson and someone from PHoenix, that would be alright too but I much prefer the 2nd one
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 27, 2007, 10:05 AM
Yeah, from a Twolves standpoint, the Hawks deal could really help out.  It would really jump start the "rebuilding", with basically 3 picks in the top 11 this year, which is considered to be one of the strongest drafts overall for awhile I believe.  That, combined with the young talent you mentioned, and it could really be the start of something new and exciting in Minny.  It would still kind of stink to see KG go, I guess I just associate the Wolves with Garnett, as he's been there for what, 12 years now?  But, it seems like a trade is going to happen one way or another at this point, so this might be a good chance for them to just blow things up and start the youth movement.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Jeff on June 27, 2007, 10:31 AM
That Hotlanta/Phoenix deal is the one I'm hoping for...

Me too... that sounds like a killer deal to get us good young talent and some cash to buy a veteran in a year or two.  :)


It would still kind of stink to see KG go

It's funny, most people 'round here like KG and all, but it's pretty easy to part with him because the best he's ever offered us is a trip tp the Finals once.   :-\

If he'd had more success here, there might be more outcry for him to stay.  It seems like most folks are on board with him getting a chance to win someplace else while we rebuild for something more than constant 1st round playoff exits. ;)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 27, 2007, 11:43 AM
That's true Jeff, and a good point.  Plus, I really don't see how its ever going to improve keeping KG and trying to build around him.  Its hard to put together contracts good/big enough to get the big name players, and plus, not many free agents look to frigid Minnesota for their first choice unfortunately.  Its usually places like Miami, L.A., Phoenix, etc.  The Atlanta deal does look good for a rebuilding project though, and one that might not take all that long if things fall in line.  As long as he doesn't go to L.A. :P
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on June 27, 2007, 12:36 PM
The Celtics would be stupid to trade away Al Jefferson ... even for Garnett.  He should be more "untouchable" than Paul Pierce, at this point.  Then again, the Celtics' front office is rather dumb, so I wouldn't put it past them.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on June 27, 2007, 01:52 PM
The Celtics would be stupid to trade away Al Jefferson ... even for Garnett.  He should be more "untouchable" than Paul Pierce, at this point.  Then again, the Celtics' front office is rather dumb, so I wouldn't put it past them.

And I think that's really the reason no one wants to go to Boston, because the management is maybe a hair brighter than New York and that ain't sayin' much.  It's really tragic to me that it's fallen to that point.  A very proud, storied franchise is now the place to NOT be.   :-\
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on June 27, 2007, 02:38 PM
And I think that's really the reason no one wants to go to Boston, because the management is maybe a hair brighter than New York and that ain't sayin' much.  It's really tragic to me that it's fallen to that point.  A very proud, storied franchise is now the place to NOT be.   :-\

Very true ... and very sad.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 27, 2007, 02:47 PM
Agreed, good point Brent.  It would be nice to see the Celtics return to their place of prominence in the NBA - at least to a playoff-caliber team, but the management there just doesn't seem to know what they're doing.  The comment of just being a hair brighter than the Knicks is right on the mark.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on June 27, 2007, 05:36 PM
last i heard, the lakers were losing hope.  kobe has gone on record saying even if KG comes, he still wants out.  since marion doesn't want to go to boston, it seems like the Hotlanta deal is the most likely.  apparently amare wouldn't mind playing with his buddy joe johnson again that seems like the best bet.

of course, since everyone lies in the nba about trades, its anybodies guess where KG will wind up.  personally, i don't think KG for Amare makes phoenix any better, but i think that is the less popular opinion right now.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 29, 2007, 09:07 AM
No NBA Draft talk yet?  Well, Oden 1 and Durant 2, as expected.  Actually, both of those teams were fairly busy on draft night, the Blazers in particular.  Its amazing how far they have made over that team in a couple of years, which was needed.  No Garnett trade (yet), but a few big names changing uniforms last night:

Ray Allen to the Celtics
Zach Randolph to the Knicks
Steve Francis/Channing Frye to the Blazers
Jason Richardson to the Bobcats

Apparently Golden State and Phoenix were still in the Garnett sweepstakes yesterday, but things must not have panned out on either front (or things are still being re-worked).  I noticed they talked to the Lakers (Kupchak), and although he wouldn't say anything specific, it seemed from his demeanor and comments that things between Kobe and the Lakers aren't any better.

Back to the draft, here's the Top 14 picks, just for discussion's sake:

1. Greg Oden (Portland)
2. Kevin Durant (Seattle)
3. Al Horford (Atlanta)
4. Mike Conley, Jr. (Memphis)
5. Jeff Green (Boston - traded to Seattle)
6. Yi Jianlian (Milwaukee)
7. Corey Brewer (Minnesota)
8. Brandan Wright (Charlotte - traded to Golden State)
9. Joakim Noah (Chicago)
10. Spencer Hawes (Sacramento)
11. Acie Law (Atlanta)
12. Thaddeus Young (Philadelphia)
13. Julian Wright (New Orleans)
14. Al Thornton (L.A. Clippers)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on June 29, 2007, 10:28 AM
I thought the draft was tonight :-[  Oops, thanks for posting the information. 

I guess the most interesting aspect to me is the Celtics getting Ray Allen :o  Interesting because if he actually shows up and plays like he can, I think they just got a lot better.  I'm kind of surprised the Celtics offloaded a high draft pick like that, but with Jefferson, Pierce and Allen they should be an improved team.  I wonder if they'll make more moves too. 

The other side of that trade is the Sonics of course and that too is really interesting.  Obviously they got Durant which is great for them.  Jeff Green I guess is someone they wanted too, but the biggest question in my mind is what they'll now do with Rashard Lewis?  He's a free agent and I really was expecting them to maybe try and sign and move him, but now with Allen gone, maybe not?

Did Noah fall further than expected?  I thought he was being talked about as a top 5?

Atlanta's draft is interesting too.  I was expecting them to make moves prior to the draft but maybe the plan is afterwards.  Horford isn't that big a surprise pick really (at all?) but I hadn't heard of them having any interest in Law. 

You're right about the Blazers Brian, I'm really surprised to see that trade.  I was really expecting them to hold onto Randolph and have an imposing front court with Randolph and Oden/Durant.  Frye is ok, but not quite Randolph. 

The Jason Richardson deal is surprising too.  I'd heard recently they were moving Monta Ellis instead, but I guess not, at least until maybe a Garnett trade?

And speaking of Garnett, is Boston more appealing now that Allen is there?  Pierce/Allen/Garnett is lots of firepower (I presume Jefferson would be going the other way). 

Phoenix?  Hello?  Phoenix?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on June 29, 2007, 10:43 AM
Quote
And speaking of Garnett, is Boston more appealing now that Allen is there?  Pierce/Allen/Garnett is lots of firepower (I presume Jefferson would be going the other way). 

I was just reading on CNNSI this morning that there are rumors that Boston is trying to get back in the "Garnett race" again now, to put that very trio together.  They would be pretty formidable I would think, especially in the East.  They may all be aging, but they've still got plenty left in the tank.  I saw some of the analysts on ESPN last night were kind of criticizing the Celtics for trading for Allen, since he's 32.  I can see the age thing, but the type of player he is, he just seems to fit as a Celtic.  Good community guy, good team mate from what I hear, and a great shooter.  Either way, the Celtics should be improved, like you said.

Also improved, the Blazers.  I'm interested to see how Steve Francis fits in with things.  He's very talented, but it just seems like he's one of the worst team guys in the world.  Still, it should make for an interesting lineup with Francis, Roy, Frye, and Oden on the floor - and at least they're finally getting away from the jailblazers label from a few years ago.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on June 29, 2007, 10:48 AM
The Allen trade really reminds me of when Boston got Dennis Johnson, in that they're sort of the same.  Older, dependable on court and off, for the most part.  I think the point of the trade was to try and get someone experienced to help Pierce and now Jefferson.  It would be amazing if the Celtics could keep Jefferson and get Garnett, but no way will that happen. 
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on June 29, 2007, 07:56 PM
Did Noah fall further than expected?  I thought he was being talked about as a top 5?

Maybe earlier in the college season, but not recently.

Atlanta's draft is interesting too.  I was expecting them to make moves prior to the draft but maybe the plan is afterwards.  Horford isn't that big a surprise pick really (at all?) but I hadn't heard of them having any interest in Law. 

If Atlanta didn't draft a point guard (and a really good one at that), the ten to twelve fans they have left would've lynched the front office.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on July 3, 2007, 04:40 PM
Sounds like Rashard Lewis is heading to Orlando via free agency.  Not as big of a name as some of the ones tossed out there, but probably a pretty good pickup for the Magic, lining him up alongside Dwight Howard.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on July 3, 2007, 05:02 PM
So much for the talk last week about trying to keep him around to play with a young stud.  Too bad, I think he deserved to be held onto.  Good news though for Orlando, nothing quite like having a 6'10" 3 point shooter to alleviate the inside pressure.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on July 6, 2007, 09:40 AM
It sounds like Grant Hill is now on his way to Phoenix.  Although he's had the well known injury problems, I think he's a good pickup for the Suns.  Unselfish player who doesn't have to be "the man".  Heck, he doesn't even have to be the 2nd or 3rd option there.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on July 6, 2007, 05:23 PM
i think Hill is a heck of a pick up for phoenix.  and, it seems like they got him for nothing.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on July 30, 2007, 10:00 AM
It sounds like the KG to Boston deal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127) might be heating up again.  I have to say, although they are all aging, a trio of Allen/Pierce/Garnett would definitely make the Celtics a Finals contender in the East - or at least it should.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 30, 2007, 12:46 PM
I have to say, although they are all aging, a trio of Allen/Pierce/Garnett would definitely make the Celtics a Finals contender in the East - or at least it should.

With Al Jefferson going to Boston, this is their attempt to win it all right now.  For the Wolves, it's a good start in the rebuilding process.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on July 30, 2007, 11:03 PM
With Al Jefferson going to Boston, this is their attempt to win it all right now. 

Al Jefferson is already in Boston.
 ;)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on July 31, 2007, 12:58 AM
Apparently not anymore for Mr. Jefferson (and more):

To Celtics:
Kevin Garnett

To Tpups:
Al Jefferson
Ryan Gomes
Gerald Green
Theo Ratliff
Sebastian Telfair
two future first-round NBA Draft picks

I think that's still slightly speculative in terms of a report, but I'd suggest that Minnesota came off pretty damn well.  Jeez, who's left in Beantown?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 31, 2007, 04:23 AM
With Al Jefferson going to Boston, this is their attempt to win it all right now. 

Al Jefferson is already in Boston.
 ;)

Whoops!  Leaving Boston.  It just seems like they started the rebuilding, now mortgaged the future for a one time shot.  They should have made this deal 1-2 years ago.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on July 31, 2007, 10:29 AM
Here's an article from ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070730) discussing why this trade would be good for the Celtics.  I can kind of see that aspect of things, although it does seem like Boston is giving up a lot for one player - as much as I like Garnett.  Then again, outside of Jefferson, I don't know that many of those players are going to amount to too much.  I think Ainge was really under pressure to have a decent team again, and to put Boston back "on the map" in the NBA landscape - something that really hasn't happened since the Bird days.  This trade should certainly do that, if injuries/etc. aren't a problem.  It will be short lived, as all three are aging a bit, but it might bring about the type of popularity for the franchise where they could get other free agents there.  Who knows, maybe that won't make any difference.  Plus, Garnett seems like the type to me who could play for quite awhile yet - just with his dedication, few injuries, and training regimen.  Personally, I'd kind of like to see Boston be relevant again in the NBA - like the good ole days.  It will be interesting to see who they can put on the floor with these three though, there can't be too much left.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on July 31, 2007, 12:59 PM
It just seems like they started the rebuilding, now mortgaged the future for a one time shot.  They should have made this deal 1-2 years ago.

Agreed ... but it's a shot that they should take.  Especially with how weak the Eastern Conference is.  Allen, Pierce, and Garnett are one hell of a core, even if you can only ride it for two or three years.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Morgbug on July 31, 2007, 03:00 PM
Then again, outside of Jefferson, I don't know that many of those players are going to amount to too much.  I think Ainge was really under pressure to have a decent team again, and to put Boston back "on the map" in the NBA landscape - something that really hasn't happened since the Bird days. 

I agree about the other players.  Someone might come back to haunt you, a la Chauncey Billups, but those instances are pretty few and far between. 

I also agree about Ainge.  If he pulls this off, they're relevant for a couple of years in the East and might even make the finals, but boy oh boy has he mortgaged the future, trading away this year's #1 pick and a couple more down the road.  Left him self in a bit of a pickle for trying to rebuild 3-4 years down the road.  That's a head scratcher there.  I guess that Ainge might be thinking IF he can get Garnett there, others might follow as well?

Len Bias.   :'(  Since Len Bias died the Celtics have been bloody cursed and a laughing stock down the road. 
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on July 31, 2007, 03:09 PM
According to ESPN's front page, the trade is official.  KG is now a Celtic.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Scott on July 31, 2007, 05:49 PM
SO long KG  :'(

I really saw it all along as they could not afford to keep him around after 2008.  What were they going to do, sign him to an even bigger contract?  They at least got something out of it...including getting back their pick that McHale stupidly gave up in the Wally deal.  Jefferson, McCants, Foye, Brewer and Blount make up an interesting 5...they need a center in a huge way though if  they are ever going to compete.  They have all of the young talent to remind me of the Bulls of a few years ago.  Lets hope it pans out

I also hope the Celtics win it all next year, KG on the team makes me an instant Celtics fan.  They should at least be the favorites in the East
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on July 31, 2007, 06:04 PM
i think it certainly makes the celtics very big contenders in the east.   and, send the twolves back to the stone age.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on August 1, 2007, 09:10 AM
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I also hope the Celtics win it all next year, KG on the team makes me an instant Celtics fan.  They should at least be the favorites in the East

That's how I've been feeling too.  I've always been a big fan of KG - with he and Nash being my favorite players - and I hope he gets his shot while in Boston.  Like I said earlier, its kind of nice to see a stories franchise like the Celtics become relevant again.  It will be interesting to see what other free agents they can put around their new "big 3".  It should be an interesting season.  Go Celtics!
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on August 9, 2007, 12:56 PM
It sounds like the Celtics are now exploring the possibility of bringing Reggie Miller out of retirement.  He is said to be interested, and it would be more in an off the bench/15 minutes per game type of role.  There also continues to be news of Jermaine O'Neal wanting to go to the Lakers, or in some cases, the Nets.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on August 9, 2007, 11:54 PM
i have to wonder if the reggie miller thing isn't sort of related to the KG deal.  he told them he wasn't coming, so they got ray allen and begged some more.  i wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some sort of converstation like "ok, I'll come, but you aint done yet.  how about some more veterans?".
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on August 10, 2007, 08:31 AM
Speaking of veterans, the Heat just signed Penny Hardaway.  Way to make that roster younger, Heat.  It's not like you weren't old enough.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on August 10, 2007, 05:14 PM
i saw that the mavs are on the short list of places allan houston was interested in going to.  i hope they don't sign him.  houston has already made a ton of cash with very little to show for it.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on August 13, 2007, 09:13 AM
I read some of that Allan Houston news the other day as well.  Are teams so desperate for a shot in the arm (or maybe just shooting) that they have to keep trying to drag old guys out of retirement?  (Reggie Miller, Allan Houston, etc.)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: JayDouble on August 22, 2007, 01:42 AM
Eddie Griffin dead (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuG5KEe_ZpHFJmiTzwQW2SQ5nYcB?slug=ap-griffinkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on August 22, 2007, 08:55 AM
Eddie Griffin dead (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuG5KEe_ZpHFJmiTzwQW2SQ5nYcB?slug=ap-griffinkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns)

I can't say that I'm surprised.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 22, 2007, 11:15 AM
I think it was just last offseason when he was found in a crashed up SUV in a drunken stupor, masturbating to porn playing on the car's DVD player.

All things considered, I'd have to agree with Neal's assessment.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: JayDouble on August 22, 2007, 09:32 PM
USA vs Venezuela tonight.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on August 22, 2007, 10:22 PM
I'll be watching ... and I'll be hating myself in the morning for staying up to watch the entire game.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: JayDouble on August 27, 2007, 12:21 AM
USA has looked good so far.  Hopefully they play with the same passion and intensity in China.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on August 27, 2007, 09:39 AM
Yeah, they've looked great ... and though I think he's a ****, Kobe's defensive smothering of the other team's best guard has been inspiring.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: JayDouble on September 13, 2007, 02:52 PM
Oden Lost for the Season (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Auuzb9DzjeR9k.it7FgJe168vLYF?slug=aw-oden091307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: JediMAC on September 13, 2007, 08:34 PM
Oden Lost for the Season (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Auuzb9DzjeR9k.it7FgJe168vLYF?slug=aw-oden091307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Yeah, that was pretty shocking and very sad to see that story this morning.  Damn, the Trailblazers just have some seriously bad luck.  Of course, everyone's already pointing out the similarity between this issue (and not choosing Durant first), and the Sam Bowie issue way back in 1984, being picked before Jordon, and pretty much being a total injury-prone bust.  Apparently the Blazers had even expressed some serious concerns over Oden's knees prior to the draft, but ultimately blew them off, partly in favor of Oden's sterling personality (in trying to reshape the team's "Jail Blazers" image).  Man, they're gonna suck this year, especially after having traded away Zach Randolph.

Durant, on the other hand has made a far more impressive showing in the Summer Leagues and for Team USA than Oden did (who actually quit the USA team due to fatigue, IIRC).  Talk about some serious regret for the Blazers staff.  Oy.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on September 16, 2007, 08:11 PM
i don't think oden was going to be able to sort out all of the blazers problems by himself.  maybe getting a top 3 pick 2 years in a row will get them back on track.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: JediMAC on October 16, 2007, 06:40 PM
Word breaking out of Lakers' training camp right now is that Kobe's supposedly cleared out his locker and left.  That whiny bitch is possibly gone for good from L.A.  Can't wait to get a whole buttload of pathetic scrubs from the Bulls, or Howard/Terry from the Mavs...  But as much of a whiny bitch as he is, I'd hate to lose him.  Love him, or hate him, he's still the most exciting (and best) player in the NBA.  Of course, Jerry Buss didn't help matters when he started popping off last week about potentially trading Kobe, after everything had completely died down finally.  Buncha dumbfucks out here in L.A.

ESPN is now reporting that he's not going anywhere, and merely "re-organized" his locker.  ::)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: john todd on October 18, 2007, 06:08 PM
this whole kobe thing puts me in a serious quandry.  can i still be a mavs fan and hate the #1 player?  anybody else have experience with getting their most hated player of all time traded to their team?  i have survived deion and TO coming to the cowboys, but i am a much more serious basketball fan than football.  i really really hope the bulls get stuck with kobe.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Brian on October 24, 2007, 12:30 PM
ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3077037) is reporting that a deal is almost done between Miami and Minnesota:

Miami Receives:

Ricky Davis
Mark Blount

Minnesota Receives:

Antoine Walker
Wayne Simien
Michael Doleac
Future Draft Pick
Title: Re: NBA Offseason 2007
Post by: Neal on October 24, 2007, 03:12 PM
I'll take it.  I'm not sold on Davis and Blount, but the Heat need to do something.  They're just too old and too injured.  Davis is a whack-job, but at least he gives the Heat another decent scoring option.