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In either Lee's or Tomarts I noticed that Dusty Trail Toys has a line planned for 2005 that is going to be 3 3/4 in Wild West Figures. I am probably the only one on a Sci Fi board that is not only looking forward to this, but has taken the time to do up a dream list. Just in case there is another fan of the American Frontier West I'll post it here.
So far they have listed/pictured:
A stage coach with 2 running horses, a driver and guy riding "shotgun"...no pics of the guys, but the Coach and Horses look good.
A Gatling Gun
A Cannon
A Tombstone inspired "Cowboy" almost like Curly Bill
A "Doc Holliday" looking figure
A "Wyatt Earp" looking Marshall
A Mexican Vaquero nice big sombrero on this guy.
They seem to have articulation in the Knees, waist, Elbows, wrists, neck but you know how Prototypes are...
So that is what is listed. I'd give up all my pre OTC figures if this line would take off. I was always a Cowboy as a kid growing up (until Star Wars came along)
Here is my WISH/WANT list:
a "Dude"...city dweller in the frontier with the bowler and suit (very Sheriff Behan if you've seen Tombstone)
a Cavalry Soldier with horse
a Cavalry Officer with horse (not just Yellow Hair Custer)
a Cavalry Soldier (Buffalo Soldier) with horse (no matter what line I collect Army Building always has a place)
Apache indian (but not just Geronimo,but generic Braves too)
Sioux Indian (not just Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull but Braves)
The rest of the OK Corral Guys to include: Virgil, Morgan and some Clantons and McLaurys
A Texas Cowboy
A Northern Plains Cowboy (yes there is a difference and both need Horses and a couple of "Doggies" to round up)
A Texas Ranger (but not Walker or Nolan Ryan)
A Pony Express Rider
Buffalo Bill
Bartender
If they Do a Prairie Schooner, I assume it would come with a Sod buster family
Maybe the James-Younger Gang but I don't know how long a span they are using, the magazine article mentioned 1880's....
Saloon Girls...Fan Boys LOVE Saloon Girls
Oh well I am sure there are more I could list, but this is a start.
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The only one? Hah!
I scoff at you Paul! :)
Actually, I'd dig outlaws as a sub-series...
-Billy the Kid... Hell, even a series of "Young Guns" that fleshes out the other "regulators".
-My namesake... Jesse James. I'd dig a younger version when he was doing a lotta his work, and an older version when he was shot.
-Cole & Frank Younger
-Frank James
-Arkansas Dave Routabah
I'd love some Native American figures too... Much needed, much appreciated if they're accurate.
If I can get this toy mag they're pictured in, I'll see what I can dig up and post here Paul.
If it's in the Star Wars scale, has great features like removable hats/headgear and working holsters (ala the old Butch & Sundance and Lone Ranger lines), then I'm all over this line... Articulation sounds good already.
I just hope it's accurate and realistic... Even if it isn't using names.
I'd dig it if they delved into Civil War too... Take the extra step and start cranking out figures from one of the most popular eras in American history. I think that line would take off like a rocket given the already HUGE market they have going for it. Toy Soldier fans would eat that alive... They say 1:6 ventures into the Civil War era are HUGELY successful.
I'm jonesin' for more already.
Hell, I want a Custer figure to make as a Star Wars custom... Have him surrounded by indigenous, hostile, aliens. :)
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Lee's Toy Review, Issue #146 Dec 2004 Page 37.
I'm not sure if they are going to use the real names, I was just trying to give descriptions that people would be able recognize.
The "Doc Holliday" even has a tin cup.
And the 4 figures I've seen pics of look accurate, but it is one photo.
I remember Butch and Sundance...I even had the War Wagon, but was dissappointed about the molded in Gunner.
I still have my Legend of the Lone Ranger figs. I had/have extra horses from the Zorro Line so that not everybody is riding Scout and Smoke.
I think there would be several good variations of your namesake. Early Early when he was still a "Raider", with Colt 1860 Army's and the bib-style emboridered shirt, the Outlaw Years with a Long Coat (I guess that is more Northfield days) and then the Later years.
I also think if they opened up the Civil War door, it would be awesome.
But you hold the key in the phrase "If they are accurate"...
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Civil War troops would be pretty cool indeed. I've yet to see any Series 3 pics, but it sounds pretty nice.
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I'd like to see ANY pics. You guys got any scanners? :)
Civil War... Could you guys imagine?
LA Tiger ZOuaves,
NY Zouaves
Federal Sharpshooters
PA soldiers (I'd dig that)
Maine Troops
NY Irish Brigade Troops
Confdederate regulars
Cavalry
Artillery
Navy (How cool would some federal seamen look?)
Maybe figures of Grant, Lee, Stuart, Jackson, McLellan, Sherman, Burnside, Pickett...
Hell I'd take a Lincoln and Davis even... A John Wilkes Booth... I'd be all over that era like white on rice.
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The Cannon definately begs for a crew. I don't know ACW like I do WWII or Nam, but it looks like a Medium sized gun, bigger than a Napoleon. I can even see a Caison (sp?) in the background of one pic.
I have a scanner at the office, I'll see what I can do either tomorrow or Tues.
The gatling gun looks cool too.
But I don't know how big the crew is for one of those.
If they don't do ACW, the customs possiblities would be there if they made weapons from an early enough period. If they do a Wild Bill Hicock, he SHOULD come with 2 1851 Navy Revolvers....
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Gatling Crews were similar to cannon crews in #'s.
I just hope they do these figures justice.
Do pieces look removable on them? Working holsters and things?
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I can go for these If done well in 1/18 scale, mostly for the potential custom fodder, but also for my fondness for the Old West. And of course, just as I type that, the only two people I can think of are Sitting Bull and Custer. And Annie Oakley.
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In old west attire I'd dig lots of Indians, lots of generic Cowboys and gunslingers...
Tons of great ideas, it's just hard to think of them off-hand.
I think Wyatt Earp and DOc Holiday and a "Cowboy" are good starters though... Generic Stagecoach team are good too.
Power Team Elite make a great horse that's articulated... If they take that concept and run with it, ti could be a truly impressive line.
I'm looking at it for fodder too though Idej... Too easy not to.
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Ok, I'm just going to have to scan the page in....but yes to working holsters. I can't tell on the removable hats thing. From what I can tell NO to removable belts. But the Head Sculpts look really good and yes the guys that custom would love them, assuming facial hair is a good thing in your custom world.
And don't forget the Mexican "Vaquero" who looks very much like a "Bandito" but I am sure will not be called that. Big Sombrero and a Bandolier
As far as the personal weaponsl goes from the Photos I can see:
Colt Single Actions (but not the big Wyatt Earp Ned Buntline Barrel, the shorter medium sized barrel)
Double Barrel Shotgun (short Coach gun Barrel)
Winchester 1873
I've seen the PTE Horses recently, they are a good start. The Horses shown for the Stagecoach look to be pre-posed in a full gaited run. But the write up says it will come with 4 Horses.
Since we are fans of other lines, we all know that the majority of the figures end up being "Personality" figures, I just hope the line does well enough to get them to the point that they will make some generic townsfolk/pioneers type.
The one thing I have observed about Dusty Trail is that they will do a variant or two (like the Pirate Captain in the 7 inch line).
Do you think it would be too much like stalking if I wrote them and email and told them I wanted to go ahead and order a case. Or at least find out where I can buy them...I just think these will get limited space in magazines/websites because the women don't wear spandex, and the only media to support them are History Books and who reads those...
ok as the wish list grows:
Bat Masterson
The Dalton Boys (Emmit, Grat, Bob)
John Wesley Hardin (if for no other reason to get some interesting six-guns)
Nat Love (I would have put Bill Picket, but he is more 1895-1900's)
Indian Scouts ( the Apache look the best with their pants, loin cloth and Blue Coat)
and here is one I am not sure of in our politically correct world:
Chinese Railroad worker, everybody knows it was their sweat and toil that laid the rails, I just don't know if it would be perceived as an Oppression or an Homage.
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I'd love to see some pictures of this! Oh if it could only be expanded into the US Civil War! A Sumter playset would own and some SC militia men would be great.
Maybe it could be expanded into the Great War? :D
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I must see these... The more I hear, the better.
Working holsters, but non-removable headgear, is a disappointment. :( I'm hoping the hat's are just really snugly sculpted so they look like they're seamless.
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Now don't get me wrong the hat might come off, but from the photos I can't tell.
Jesse, I am scanning them in when I get to the office, how can I get them to you (or anybody that can post them here)?
oh and I went total "fan-boy" and emailed the company about the line. I felt like a stalker....I guess if I had not been wearing my period correct Cowboy hat when I was typing, it wouldn't have been so bad.
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I really want to see these, too. Post the pics already. :)
Removeable head ware or lack of is important for me to buy more than just a handful.
Unless the Chinese worker is buck-toothed, chopsticks at the ready, and in a mid-action martial arts pose, I can't imagine a problem with their inclusion. It would be historical inaccuracy by omission without a sampling.
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Alright lets see if I did this right.... after blowing the pictures up, it looks like the Hats are removable.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/Figures.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/Firepower.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/StageCoach.jpg)
If anybody wants bigger photos let me know, photobucket shrank them from the size I had saved them.
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Paul, you rock dude. Thanks! I'm gonna show those off at FFURG for custom fodder.
From my estimation (I borrowed them and lightened them up to see articulation and break points), I can see some really 21st Cent. Toys-ish articulation there. Possibly as heavily done as the Paratroopers were.
I think the hats may come off... it's possible.
I may shoot an email over to Dusty Trails too. Absolutely infriggin'credible here. :) Very realistic figures. I'd be all over these for casting and for just collecting a set... Customizing some too!
Great stuff!
Some of the stuff the Playmobil line has may be able to be used there too... They have an older style Colt single-action...
This could be huge. I can't see a Cannon and Gatling without troops too. I hope we see Indians, Cavalry, and more noteable characters from history. The Doc Holiday's very close in likeness to Val Kilmer's character from Tombstone.
I'm sure as **** glad that Earp doesn't look like the Costner version... not close to Tombstone's Kurt Russel really either. Closer to that than Costner though.
Which reminds me... I'd take some Dances with Wolves characters... OH! What about figures based on characters likenesses from Deadwood on HBO? I could only imagine if they had voice chips that had lines from that show. Good lord.
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:D Oodles please.
I really am digging the Mexican for some reason. Looks pretty sweet.
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After looking closer, their articulation is IDENTICAL to the U.S. Paras... Right down to the pivoting thigh joint. The elbow hinge is even identical in design to 21st's style.
Great stuff.
BTW Paul, I think I see pretty clear "gaps" at the hats for removable headgear too man! REALLY nice sculpts. Not the slightest bit cartoony or poor quality there. The whole thing looks like authentic (100%, right down to the tin cup which is sweet) sculpts, tons of articulation...
If the horses suck I'll just be replacing them with better ones in the same scale *cough*PTE*cough*.
Nice pictures man, thanks.
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All I can say is... damn!
I know it's premature, but if the final products look as good as the protos, I'd like them to expand with pirates, the samurai/shogun era of Japan, and the American colonial period.
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I just hope they do more of this to start... Given smaller companies track records they could clam up all of a sudden.
Colonia soldiers would rock though... French & Indian war or Revolution? Get outta town! Civil War would be my favs though. Very expansive era, very popular, very diverse line then...
Hell, I wish they'd get into World War two and give 21st and BBI a run for their money there too... World War I... Tons of eras I'd love to see covered here.
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I could tell I had looked at the page too much when I went to scan the pics and the magazine fell open to that page.
I am more and more leaning towards the hats being removable now that I can get a closer view.
Articulation like the 21stC US Paras would not bother me at all.
Now I'm just wondering what the Driver and Coachgunner look like. I hope they are as detailed and articulated as the ones we've seen.
And I have to agree with Vator, that Mexican is moving up on my depth chart.
OK I thought about a couple of more "generic" icons from the Wild West...
Prospector/Miner with a Donkey
Railroad Engineer (with of course an Iron Horse)
Bank Clerk
Fur Trapper
Canadian Mountie
I think as long as the characters aren't based directly on a likeness from a movie, figures based on Historical Figures are fair game without licensing requirements.
Ok here is the write up portion...from the article. Remember this is all from Lee's Toy Review they deserve all the credit since no other toy rag has these anywhere on their radar.
(ok now Jesse stop reading after the first paragraph..there is more info in the last paragraph of something else that could make us both go broke or is it broker, or more broke)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/Text.jpg)
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Either way it means I'm needing to whore myself if I plan on affording all this stuff.
Dusty Trails is getting into the game too now? Thank God someone's willing to pick up the ball because all 21st Century does is play with its ball most of the time by itself...
Yeah, that was meant to sound perverted too.
Man, this western line has me psyched like you wouldn't believe too. I may buy this magazine just to have it in-hand. :)
More war stuff, western stuff, etc... Now if they jump into other eras we're gonna go nuts too.
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I can only imagine what a "Soldier of Fortune" based line would include, but this thread is all about WILD WEST, so I'll keep it on topic.
I snagged one of those "other" brand horses at Dollar General today. So now we'll see.
The articulation of the current figures doesn't look like they lend themselves to straddling a horse, but I'm sure that there is a way.
I think a Buckboard is probably a possibility....
We need to find out some more info on these things, somebody HAS to know somebody who knows somebody....
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30's Chicago gangster and a Crow scout? Cannot wait to see these!
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I think there are pictures of the Crow Scout and 30's Gangster on either Action-Figure.com or some other. They are for Dusty Trails 7in line. I guess we could assume that since they have done a Johnny Ringo-esque 7in and a Crow Scout is coming that perhaps they will show up in the Wild West line fairly soon enough...but that is a big perhaps. I mean the research is already there...
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Their 7" line isn't anything spectacular Brad... mostly statues, which I guess have their merits, but to me they're just "eh".
Though, I've now got my curiosity piqued on 3.75" poseable gangsters...
And who wouldn't take those? :) I remember as a kid how I always wished the Dick Tracy line was like that... So they could interact with G.I. Joe, for whatever reason I had concocted in my mind, haha.
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The 7inch line has LIMITED articualtion, and by limited I mean maybe 1 shoulder or 1 wrist and the neck.
I bought the Gambler and the US Marshall (and the Pirate). But Jesse is right, they are more like statues with movable parts. And I am not much of a Statue person. None of my stuff is displayed so statues/busts are kinda wasted on me.
It is my hope that this line will have "Legs"...I'd hate for it to suffer the fate of Sixgun Legends from Sideshow...I think the fact that these from Dusty Trail are not in the 1:6 scale market (which oddly seems more crowded than 1:18) will help out. I don't know how they are marketing them, but surely a retailer/e-tailer will think to advertise them in True West, Wild West, Guns of the Old West, Shoot Magazine, Cowboys and Indians and other magazines as well as with Organizations like Single Action Shooters Society(which has a monthly magazine), Cowboy Hall of Fame, Tombstone Museum.
Ok you have to cut me some slack, it has been a slow week at the office so I've had some free time to obsess over these things. Just be glad I don't have any computer skills or you'd all be getting a link to my website devoted to figures that aren't even for sale yet and are squarely in the "prototype" stage.
Here is something I thought about...if they did some background stuff imagine how well that would fit in with dioramas/displays from other lines.
Like:
Cows
dogs
chickens
Whiskey Barrels (ah gotta love rotgut)
Boxes
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Hell, give me a General Custer. Couldn't you just see the head swap to an Imperial Officer for him?
Oh...if they made some Franco-Prussian war figures. I would die, absolutley f'n die.
When is the target release date again?
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nobody has that info yet....just the pics and the little write up.
Lee's Toy Review did say to stay tuned.....so I'll be the first go get the next issue...
And I think the good Brevet General would be Great, and almost a gurantee for any toy line in that era...
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Here's the link to their site (http://www.dustytrailtoys.com/). Not sure if you military buffs are aware of it, but click on the Trail Troopers link on the bottom right for pics of the yet to be released paratroopers.
I'd about pee in my pants if DT's new toyline hinted at in the article are 3-3/4" figures of the new Battlestar Galactica series. (Yeah, I'm not happy about the "re-imagining", and yeah, another company is making 7" figures of the older BSG crew, but toys are another matter, and except for the Cylon, the prototypes of the humans by Joyride Studios suck... and they ain't 3-3/4".)
As for the Wild West figures, there's nothing for me to do but shut up and control my shaking while I wait for these to hit stores. :-X
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I've already got the HALO paratrooper and if the Wild West line is anything near as cool and detailed, then I will sit here and shake in anticipation...
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I sent a mail too Paul. Let the pestering take flight!
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I've actually post little blurbs here, at yojoe, TNI and even to the Cowboy-Old West re-enactors sites that I frequent...trying to see if I can get the groundswell going.
I think we might be able to get 1:18 scale manufacturers to look outside the usual 3 time periods/genres if these take off. Not that there is anything wrong with Sci-Fi/Modern Combat,/and WWII, I just think if a line from a time period other than those sells, we might be able to get all those other eras we've all dreamed of.
Since I skipped dreaming of Sugar Plums the other night, this is what I came up with to continue the want list....(feel free to add on everybody)
Blacksmith (with anvil, hammer, fire and horseshoe)
Undertaker
Doctor (sawbones)
I am going to start finding pics online or in my book collections to go with various names/ideas we get. (Yes I have no life. It is a Movie year with Star Wars so not much OT stuff, GI Joe is done for a month or two, so I needed a new focus anyway.)
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Jesse,
Please share some more details about your letter from DT....
I haven't gotten a response, but I think mine may have not actually had any questions in it, just me pandering to them....
I find it difficult to think that they would make a cannon or gatling gun and not have any of the Wild West Period Military or CW Military to man them.
PM
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Sadly I fear that this line has been killed before it even got off the ground....too bad for them. If they had put out some teaser pics or product before I found that Clone Commander, they would have gotten all my Collecting money (what with GI JOe going to the SIgma Sux/Yu-GI-Joe).
I can't believe it has been since December or earlier that we saw pics....
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I don't have the mail any longer, but it was very nice, but not particularly informative either Paul.
Hard to say where this line stands. They were pushing it at Toy Fair I know, and didn't have a buyer at that point. it could be just in production, or still shopping it around. Hard to say right now but I too am a little dejected to not hear more.
I'm sorta amped about the Terminator and Planet of the Apes lines though, those are cool. Wish more military stuff was rolling around, but so far the Marines have been the highlight of '05. :(
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Well according to another site the "Wild West Line" was not picked up by a retailer, so the Wild West line has ended up on Boot Hill.
I'm not ashamed to say (at least here) that I am pretty bummed. I don't usually get super psyched about much but this line had me actually dreaming of future product (literally) and I was even going to make a shelf for display (ok HAVE one made).
The only other movie besides the OT that I watch over and over is Tombstone...Finally having figures that even vaguely resemble the characters was going to be awesome.
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Yeah I'm bummed too Paul... But, you never know if the line will get picked up by someone somehow, so don't give up totally... Can hope for it, ya know?
I'd still love a Civil War line since it was just something so influencial on my life, but whatever... Not for now I guess.
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Does anybody know where the Prototypes or the sculptors are that did this line?
I'd love to get in contact with them if anybody has any "leads".
I really wish this line would have gotten some support..
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I certainly don't have info for this Paul, sorry. I don't have a clue who did that stuff but god it was nice looking.
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Saw these Prototypes on Ebay thanks to a tip from JJ, they didn't go for near what I thought they would.
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Hmmm, how bout those eh? Nice little protos for someone to have at a pretty decent price for what there was. Love the gambler, myself. Personal favorite. He's my huckleberry.