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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Reid on March 5, 2006, 09:17 PM
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So is anyone watching? They just announced the Makeup (The only category SW was nominated for) winner, and needless to say it wasn't SW. **** the Chronicles Of Narnia. **** the Academy.
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Award shows mean virtually nothing to me - I'm not really interested in what the Academy thinks.
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I'm watching. It's a rare thing this year that no fewer than 5 movies that I absolutely loved are up for awards.
Good Night and Good Luck
A History of Violence
Syriana
Walk the Line
and
The Constant Gardener
It's usually one or two and they never win anything anyway. Of course, of the 5 movies - most of them will probably lose out to Brokeback Mountain in the end...
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I agree with Jesse, these awards shows are somebody elses view of what "is" or "isn't" good. I vote with my money so I think that box office should be what determines the winner, not whether or not some shut ins in California think that something is more socially impacting or a story that "needed" to be told. It might very well be, but unless Box office supports it, forget it. Just my opinion. I think it would stop the whole problem that I have only heard of 2 of the movies even being considered for best picture. It has nothing to do with the fact ROTS was totally overlooked (the acting wasn't that great, but the effects should have been a no brainer.)
I just don't think you can be Best Picture of 2005 if it was only shown in 3 cities in December...
I don't the have ANY credentials to make any statements, didn't study film in school, wasn't an art major, don't work in the industy, but I have the internet, so I can share my uniformed opinion with the whole world!! :)
OK after Rob posted while I was Typing...I've heard of 4, I just forgot and didn't get a chance to see any of them...
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Best Oscar win ever! :D
(http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/10/22/inside-dvd-edwood.jpg)
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Best Oscar win ever! :D
(http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/10/22/inside-dvd-edwood.jpg)
Eh hem...
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/03/04/PH2006030400626.jpg)
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Sorry, Landau rulz! :-*
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It really is mind boggling that Sith wasn't at least nominated for Effects (Clones back in the day as well)
What they did was revolutionary and to think that 80-90% of what you see is CGI...and I really don't consider myself to be a huge fanboy or anything. Just watching the Short on the DVD about all it took to make that minute of duel footage and multiply that by 130-140...yowzers
I think this is the first year in a long, long time that I haven't even seen one of the nominated Best Picture films, so I can't really comment on any of it, glad to see Hoffman win though, that guy has always been brilliant
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I was suprised that Sith wasn't nominated too - but it wouldn't have mattered, what they did in King Kong was absolutely beyond amazing from an effects stand point. The award was completely deserved.
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Sorry, Landau rulz! :-*
That was the moment when I lost all respect for the Oscars. SAM JACKSON WUZ ROBBED!!!
I'm pretty surprised after all the hype for Brokeback that Crash won best picture. I didn't see any of the nominated films, but Crash was the one of them that I was most interested in watching. Munich would be second.
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out of all the movies nominated, Revenge of the Sith was all i saw. probably won't even get around to watching any of the others either. so who cares what the academy thinks.
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That was the moment when I lost all respect for the Oscars.
I lost interest when Ghandi won for best costume, for a bed sheet! :-X
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Well, the I guess I'm one of the few around here who more or less agrees with the academy. I could see how most people feel, but lets face it, the academy (when politics isn't playing a huge role) is all about a the craft of film making, not a popularity contest. If you want popularity, stick with the MTV movie awards. I feel this is one of the few years that the academy got it right for the most part. I was surprised the Reese Witherspoon and George Clooney won and very satisfied thd Crash and Ang Lee got their kudos. As for SW and Make-Up, it was a tough call for me. I didn't consider Cinderella man in the running because boxing fight make-up's been done before, but Narnia and SW were both quality contenders. I didn't think SW deserved an FX nomination. There was nothing really new (visually) in ROTS and they were pretty uninspired.
Out of all the popular films this year that I feel could have or should have been nominated for awards, I think Batman Begins coud have been a best picture contneder, Sin City for VFX, 40 Year Old Virgin for Original Screenplay and the dark horse of Ian MacDiramid for ROTS.
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I'm with Anton on this one - everything except for the 40 Year Old Virgin part.
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I've voiced my opinions on the Academy before and although I started losing respect for them when Forest Gump won over Shawshank, the final straw was when Sean Astin didn't get a supporting actor nomination for any of the LOTR movies.
I don't think ROTS was worthy of a nomination in any of the top categories except for supporting actor for Ian...so I definitely agree with Anton on that!
But costume, make up and sound editing were all great for ROTS and I thought they should have been nominated for those. A lot of the CGI stuff was innovated for TPM and AOTC, and they were both nominated, but neither won. As with LOTR getting thrown a bone on Return of the King I thought maybe Lucas and Co. would get a nod this time around for stuff they didn't win on TPM and AOTC...guess not.
I think that Sin City getting locked out probably had to do with Rodriguez not being in the Directors Guild anymore...can a film even get nominated if it's not associated anymore? Or maybe everyone was just bitter. I don't know. But it was probably payback for him being a "maverick" or whatever. That film did a lot to advance digital filmmaking, the costumes and makeup were incredible and am I the only one that thought Mickey Rourke should have been nominated for a supporting actor?
I also agree with pmundheim about not nominating movies that opened in limited release over Christmas weekend. If 100 people saw it in L.A. and NY before January 1st of 2006 can it really be considered a 2005 movie? Better yet, can it really be considered that great? Eh...
The only film that was nominated for best picture that I saw was Crash and I really liked it and I'm glad it won. I definitely have to see Good Night, and Good Luck and Capote but I'm not that interested in Munich. I'll probably see Brokeback Mountain but it's not high on my list. And I just have to comment on that film...I'm sure it was good, I don't doubt that, but I look at it this way; if it was a similar film with all the production, direction, music and costume, and the story was about a man and a woman, it probably wouldn't even be on the list...anywhere. I use Pride & Prejudice as an example to back that claim up...love story with high production quality and directing but other than Keira's nomination for supporting actress the only other nominations were technical (costume and art).
Most of the acting awards were a toss-up, I guess, but I'm psyched that Hoffman won best actor. That guy is a genius! I didn't really have a horse in any of the other races.
E...
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I've voiced my opinions on the Academy before and although I started losing respect for them when Forest Gump won over Shawshank, the final straw was when Sean Astin didn't get a supporting actor nomination for any of the LOTR movies.
I agree with you there, but it's had for me to loose respect when my peers and I don't agree (any peers, not just the academy) when my peers are judging by the same set of criteria. I personally think the Shawshank/Gump year was one of those years where it was a tough choice (so was Pulp Fiction). Was Shawshank a better film? Maybe. Was it crafted any better than Gump? I don't think so. They were both outstanding IMO. But, I still can see why Gump won. As far as Astin, he was outstanding and it was a crying shame that he wasn't nominated, but best supporting actor is always a tough one because usually, everyone nominated was equally outstanding. And I agree with Bill Cable too about Jackson. His was the better performance, but what are you going to do? Academically critiquing a film and or performance can only take you so far. After that, it's about which one resinated more with you, and I can't find fault when you have a group equally outstanding choices and your personal favorate didn't make the cut. :P
Besides, for as much as the acedemy gets it wrong, the do get it right. Case in point, Crash winning best picture. It was.
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I agree with you there, but it's had for me to loose respect when my peers and I don't agree (any peers, not just the academy) when my peers are judging by the same set of criteria.
The the Screen Actors Guild awards are for you, not the Oscars!
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I agree with you there, but it's had for me to loose respect when my peers and I don't agree (any peers, not just the academy) when my peers are judging by the same set of criteria.
The the Screen Actors Guild awards are for you, not the Oscars!
Sorry Rob, I'm a little slow, please explain. :-[
I may have phrased it wrong, but what I was trying to say was that I don't disrespect people for making intelligent decisions if I don't agree with the decision.
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I've voiced my opinions on the Academy before and although I started losing respect for them when Forest Gump won over Shawshank...
I couldn't agree anymore. That year pissed me off to no end. Shawshank was such a beautifully crafted film. Gump was no more than a retard sitting on a bench and I think the only reason it won was Hanks...
I tell myself every year that i'm not going to watch the Oscars but I end up doing so anyways even though I haven't seen 99 percent of the movies nominated. This year I was glad to see Phillip Seymour Hoffman win. I haven't seen Capote and nor do I plan to. I just think he is a phenominal actor and really puts all of himself into his roles. He deserved to win 100%...
Three Six Mafia won best song, ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?! While I don't think the song category had any real strong contenders this year, I still don't think that was the best out there...
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Well, they are right, it IS hard out here for a pimp.
Maybe the Academy rewarded them for telling it like it is.
Seriously though, I don't care much for the liberal elitists getting together to shun the rest of the country - although I am happy that Hoffman won - two of my favorite movies - The Big Lebowski and Boogie Nights - feature some of his best acting!
:P
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Well, they are right, it IS hard out here for a pimp.
Maybe the Academy rewarded them for telling it like it is.
Seriously though, I don't care much for the liberal elitists getting together to shun the rest of the country - although I am happy that Hoffman won - two of my favorite movies - The Big Lebowski and Boogie Nights - feature some of his best acting!
:P
I loved him in Punch-Drunk Love as The Mattress Man, I think Sandler should have been nominated for that movie, his best work yet...
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You know, I have not seen Punch Drunk Love - I love Paul Anderson, but absolutely loathe Adam Sandler. I simply cannot stand the man.
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How can you be best director and not have best picture?
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How can you be best director and not have best picture?
Because they're two separate things?
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You know, I have not seen Punch Drunk Love - I love Paul Anderson, but absolutely loathe Adam Sandler. I simply cannot stand the man.
I recommend you rent it. If you like Anderson, you'll like this. This is unlike anything Sandler has ever done, no gibberish or shennanigans. Just straight up black-comedy and drama...
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I agree with you there, but it's had for me to loose respect when my peers and I don't agree (any peers, not just the academy) when my peers are judging by the same set of criteria.
The the Screen Actors Guild awards are for you, not the Oscars!
Sorry Rob, I'm a little slow, please explain. :-[
I may have phrased it wrong, but what I was trying to say was that I don't disrespect people for making intelligent decisions if I don't agree with the decision.
I may have misread your post - I thought you were implying that the Oscars were more meaningful because they were being judged by their peers, which is what the SAG Awards do, not the Oscars.
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Seriously though, I don't care much for the liberal elitists getting together to shun the rest of the country -
Could you explain this comment? What does the rest of the counrty have to do with the Academy Awards?
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We get it, republicans think hollywood is all liberal - just like that evil media.
(Nevermind the dozens of conservative actors that I could name off of the top of my head who are plenty vocal in their own right.
Either way, let's keep this from getting political - since we all know it's not allowed. :)
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Rob - please let me get these two words in (RE: Darth Anton's question):
George Clooney.
Thanks. I'm done. 8)
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James Woods. ;)
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"Nevermind the dozens of conservative actors that I could name off of the top of my head" I want to see you name these dozens.
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You can start with:
James Woods
Ron Silver
Bruce Willis
John Malkovich
Arnold Schwartzenegger
Ted Nugent
Clint Eastwood
Charleton Heston
Adam Baldwin
Meatloaf
Dean Cain
Alice Cooper
Shannon Doherty
Jim Caviezel
Robert Duvall
Kelsey Grammar
John Rhys-Davies
Mickey Rooney
Jessica Simpson
Ben Stein
Tony Danza
Kurt Russell
Pat Sajak
Tom Selleck
Andy Garcia
Bo Derek
Stephen Baldwin
Vincent Gallo
Dean Cain
Fred Thompson
Angie Harmon
Rip Torn
Dennis Hopper
Vince Vaughn
Danny Aiello
Joan Rivers
Wayne Newton
Freddie Prinze Jr.
James Caan
Billy Bob Thornton
Colin Quinn
Delta Burke
The Immortal Chuck Norris
Mel Gibson?
The problem that leads to the perception of Hollywood being straight up liberal is that most of the conservative actors are just crappy actors. ;D
There are also a slew of authors, musicians, and athletes who vote republican or contribute money to the republican party.
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Now name liberals... :P
That's a werid list, vocal conservatives?
I don't think any political ideology when I think of these:
James Woods
Dean Cain
Dean Cain
Shannon Doherty
Angie Harmon
Rip Torn
Vince Vaughn
Danny Aiello
Robert Duvall
John Rhys-Davies
Tony Danza
Pat Sajak (not an actor)
Vincent Gallo
Dennis Hopper
So yeah, these count:
Ron Silver (hard to classify him as conservative)
Bruce Willis
Arnold Schwartzenegger
Clint Eastwood
Charleton Heston
Adam Baldwin
Ted Nugent (not an actor)
Alice Cooper (not an actor)
Jim Caviezel
Kelsey Grammar
Jessica Simpson (semiactor, heh)
Ben Stein
Kurt Russell
Tom Selleck
Andy Garcia
Bo Derek
Stephen Baldwin
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A lot of those people are vocal with their campaign contributions - but either way, there are plenty more. Sure it's less than half, but the fact remains that there are lots, while the perception is that there are none. I should have used the word Celebrity, not actor - if you use the word celebrity, there are hundreds and hundreds to choose from. Try googling Republican Celebrities or Conservative Celebrities and you'll find lots of websites with long long lists of people.
And it is very easy to classify Ron Silver as a Republican - he's a neo-conservative and is about as hawkish as they come. Anyway, I've made my point, you've made yours, we should probably get off this train now.
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Ron Silver showed up on the 'right' after 9/11. Hawkish on terrorism is all I know of him being conservative.
Sure there are lots of conservative celebrities. But ton's more liberal ones. It is almost the nature of celebrity. My point was get off the idea that liberal hollywood = the actors are libs. They are not the one's 'pushing a liberal agenda.' These are the people funding and pulling the strings as to what movies and TV shows are created. Actors read the lines given to them. Yes, they can pick and choose which projects to do, but they are generally NOT the reason for the project. Hollywood used to be a conservative institution, it is not anymore.
Anyway, my main point is most politically vocal celebrities are pulling for liberal causes; way more than half. And it doesn't matter. If an actor does something I don't like, politically or otherwise, I can choose not to give them my money. Celebrity does not equal intelligent, and I'll not base my life on what a celeb decides to support.
As to the awards, they aren't of much value to me either. Near all the movies that won are not ones I'd ever even consider watching. I'd have to dredge up some feeling for the awards to be sad that ROTS got totally snubbed.
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Might as well shut this one down Rob - nobody gives a **** about the Academy Awards now and it's just too darn tough to get back on topic after we've gone this far off track!
8)
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It's generally not our style to shut things down once the 'question is answered' or the event has passed, we'd rather it fade away and be available should the need to bump it ever arise - so I'll leave it open.
But if Dafoo wants to talk about the political leanings of various celebrities from here on out, I'd ask that he send me a PM.
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Is their a rule about discussions changing course?
Here's a back on track for you, "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp!" The Motion Picture Academy of Arts and Sciences awards this as the best movie song of the year.
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I'm litteraly so sick and confused from that song. Everyone is acting like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and it just isn't.
If I hear another highschool student or over the hill celeb belt out that line, I might just cry.
Kevin
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Is their a rule about discussions changing course?
Nah, we're just not supposed to get political. It's tough for me sometimes. ;)
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heh, I'm a political junkie too.
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You know, I have not seen Punch Drunk Love - I love Paul Anderson, but absolutely loathe Adam Sandler. I simply cannot stand the man.
I recommend you rent it. If you like Anderson, you'll like this. This is unlike anything Sandler has ever done, no gibberish or shennanigans. Just straight up black-comedy and drama...
Well, unlike anything until Spanglish. . which I love. Not only does it star one of the hottest women alive, Sandler is fantastic. . shows real talent. But, alas, Chloris Leachman steals the show.
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Now name liberals... :P
That's a werid list, vocal conservatives?
I don't think any political ideology when I think of these:
Hell, I don't even think Actor when I think of a lot of those. :P
Arnold Schwartzenegger
Ted Nugent
Charleton Heston
Adam Baldwin
Dean Cain
Alice Cooper
Shannon Doherty
Jessica Simpson
Ben Stein
Tony Danza
Pat Sajak
Bo Derek
Stephen Baldwin
Dean Cain
Rip Torn
Joan Rivers
Wayne Newton
Freddie Prinze Jr.
Colin Quinn
The Immortal Chuck Norris
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Me neither - but I do think celebrity.