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Collectibles => The Vintage Collection => Topic started by: jedi_master_sal on January 8, 2010, 12:40 PM
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Okay first apologies to the mods if this is in the wrong place.
With speculation running rampant about an AT-AT, pics now seen of the snowspeeder, twin pod cloud car, and swamp speeder, what else would you like to see revealed at Toy Fair.
Personally I'd like to see Hasbro reveal when the planned Hoth Rebel trooper variant is as well as the plan to release the comic pack figures that aren't going to be released as comic packs. (I really wanted Delia Blue among others.)
We also know of the Galactic Heroes AT-AT and I'd like to see more pics of that one even if it is pushed back to 2011 for release.
Beyond this I suppose we'll see the EU wave again.
So what else SW related only would you like to see coming out of Toy Fair?
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Slave I (I'm a man of many words)
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Slave I (I'm a man of many words)
HA! Yeah, a new bigger one would be nice.
I would really LOVE to see modular Death Star playsets revealed at Toy Fair, but I know that's a pipe dream.
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DS playset would be great, but I'd be happy seeing some in depth shots of the new AT-AT.
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I want to see the Twilight, Republic Shuttle, Separatist SuperTank, or some other big vehicle in the TCW line that isn't a Y-Wing or Gunship re-paint.
If TLC is getting an AT-AT, Hasbro damn sure better have something comparable up their sleeves for the animated line.
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I would think we'd get a pretty decent look at CW stuff, since we're going to be seeing more of that in the coming months. I really hope we get a look at the rumored "vintage" line/packaging/etc. that is coming towards the fall. Hopefully we can get a look at a wave or two of those figures, since we're going to have a big break from Legacy/vintage/whatever for awhile here. Like it was said, I'm sure we'll see the EU wave again as well.
Aside from that, I hope that we see finished versions of the Cloud Car and Snowspeeder, and hopefully some other new vehicles as well. I also hope we do see the new "large" vehicle, and I hope it is either the AT-AT or Slave 1, since those seem like the most likely OT candidates for this year. It would also be nice to see if there is any future for the "deluxe" vehicle line, beyond the ARC and Y-Wing. Then it would be cool to see a surprise or two, like maybe an early look at the new Jabba that is supposed to be coming around holiday time...but I'm guessing they will hold that for SDCC. Overall, I just want to see what is involved in the "big focus on ESB's anniversary" that they've talked about in recent Q and A's.
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Hopefully whatever it is that they have planned for the 30th anniversary of ESB I hope it is all revealed at Toy Fair. So, it would be nice to see the AT-AT (if it exists), Slave I (again if they are making it) a finished Snowspeeder and Cloud Car. I hope they show us the ESB Han Solo with the "never before seen jacket" or whatever they said in the Q&A. If there was ever a year to bring out a Torryn Farr this would be it but I am not "expecting" to see it at Toy Fair, but if she is planned let's see it!
Of course any of figures they have planned would be nice to see as always. There have a been a few surprise figures the past few shows like Comic Con and Toy Fair so hopefully that continues.
I would not mind knowing what repacks they are going to have next year. I thought a blue painted Jango Fett was coming. So, stuff like that I would not mind seeing what they have in mind. I hope the Resurgence of the Jedi Luke Skywalker is in that mix.
Yeah, an attempt at the most famous environment in the whole damn Star Wars saga...The Death Star.... playset would be nice to see. God knows it got enough "screen time" LOL!
Clone Wars - I would like to see what Mandalorian figures they are going to come up with. Along with a few Jedi like Eeth Koth and Ki-Adi-Mundi versions.
Vehicles - From the Clone Wars the Republic Attack Shuttle, Clone Swamp Speeder, Federation Battle Ship. I would not mind a red repaint of the Y-Wing Fighter. Again not exactly expecting to see this stuff, but it would be nice!
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Hasbro has set a precedent the last 2 or 3 years where they showed off exclusive items at Toy Fair so I'm expecting to see a couple of items that fall into that category.
For figures I expect we'll see the EU wave and, if they have exclusives, the boxed Force Unleashed sets for TRU as well as maybe another exclusive figure or two. I think there's a good bet we'll see the first wave of the Fall figures, or at least the packaging for them. We should see any vehicles coming in the Spring so, depending on their plans, I think the Cloud Car and maybe Swamp Speeder and Snowspeeder are good bets.
Probably a couple waves of Clone Wars figures and the Nahdar Vebb mail-away, plus, if Hasbro chooses to mix up the Legacy Collection figs (Clone paint schemes or whatnot) I think we'll see a couple of those. Maybe a handful of new CW Deluxe figures and some Battle Packs...Should be some Galactic Heroes figs along with the new Megabattlers line, and role play items.
There should also be some new, maybe repackaged as well, Transformers and hopefully whatever this Super DLX Vehicle is.
In the presentation they'll probably have another wave or two of CW and Legacy replacement figures, Fall vehicles, more exclusives and if they have anything new for the FX line, it'll probably be shown.
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Sail Barge.
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AT-AT and Sail Barge are high on my list. Of course I'd love to see a surprise like some sort of playset that meets the needs of the collector market, but I'm not expecting that anytime soon.
I've seen a few mentions of a big badass Separatist vehicle on people's wish lists - I'd be game for that too. They don't get enough love from Hasbro (or the community anyway, so it does make sense for Hasbro to look some of them over).
As for figures, as much as they want to show in Legacy is someone I want to know more about - I could care less about Clone Wars and Legends. If I want to, I can go to any store and swim in them. Legacy is a different story. I'm just sick and tired of Hasbro pushing lines that seem to be less popular than they will admit.
TFU sets from TRU are also going to be fun to see, I can't wait for the full scoop on those.
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I'm looking forward to the new TFU sets. ;D
And a new wave of Comic Packs with a big sign that says, "JUST KIDDING, THE COMIC PACK LINE HASN'T DIED!" (even though I have a feeling that isn't happening...)
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Not certain if we have the possibility of seeing an upcomming ROTJ wave but if so 2 movie figures very high on my want list are all new SA versions of Admiral Ackbar and a Gamorrean Guard. Would also love to see any other figure from the Jabba scenes unmade get their debut in plastic form.
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If TLC is getting an AT-AT, Hasbro damn sure better have something comparable up their sleeves for the animated line.
Or just put the AT-AT in the cartoon for an episode and call it good for both. ::)
While I'd LOVE to see a sail barge and a modular death star I think they're both pipe dreams. Of course, I thought a new bigger AT-AT was out of the question too. If they really have that maybe when ROTJ hits the 30th anniversary we could get something so cool as a sail barge...? Naw. Pipe dreaming again.
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Maybe if we are consistant we will eventually get a Sail Barge. Look at all the other pip dreams that have materialize one such example is the ICMG!!!! ;D
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Sail Barge.
If this is ever made....my guess would be in 3 years for the 30th anniversary of ROTJ.
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Sail Barge.
If this is ever made....my guess would be in 3 years for the 30th anniversary of ROTJ.
I agree - waaaaay too much focus (supposedly) on ESB this year and I wouldn't doubt we get a Hoth repaint of the AT-ST for ***** and giggles to go along with the AT-AT.
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Not to add fuel to the already buring fires of speculation...
But an entire STOP during the Hasbro presentation is labeled "Vehicles"...
Don't quote me, but I think it is
GI JOE
Transformers
Marvel
Star Wars
Vehicles
Not in that order that I recall...but something like that...
As for me, I'd like to see the other Hoth Rebel.. Finished copies of the Snowspeeder and to see what this years "Gimmick" is... I'm hoping they continue the droid parts, but let's be honest, it has been too successful and too popular for them to continue.
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I thought someone already confirmed the new pack-ins are some kind of collectible SW-gaming cards? That gets a resounding "no thanks" from me.
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I thought someone already confirmed the new pack-ins are some kind of collectible SW-gaming cards? That gets a resounding "no thanks" from me.
If they're doing away with the BADs in favor of slivers of cardboard, they need to knock a dollar off the MSRP.
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I thought someone already confirmed the new pack-ins are some kind of collectible SW-gaming cards? That gets a resounding "no thanks" from me.
If they're doing away with the BADs in favor of slivers of cardboard, they need to knock a dollar off the MSRP.
Would be nice, and for the entire line including CW and Legends.
However, I do have to say that when you look around the toy aisle I'm not sure that there's anything of the quality of Star Wars at this price point.
Man I miss 2005... :-\
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If they're doing away with the BADs in favor of slivers of cardboard, they need to knock a dollar off the MSRP.
Hey now - in fairness, the pack-in isn't just "slivers of cardboard", it's a sliver of cardboard, a die, and a stand. :P
Image from ToyArk:
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-10/Fall-2010-Marketing-Plans-Star_1263357444.jpg)
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Imagine all of those die strewn about the house waiting to be stepped on, sucked up in the vacuum and choked on by unsuspecting padawans. :P
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I have two replies to this and I couldn't decide... so here are both.
Hey now - in fairness, the pack-in isn't just "slivers of cardboard", it's a sliver of cardboard, a die, and a stand. :P
Just what I've always wanted. ::)
Hey now - in fairness, the pack-in isn't just "slivers of cardboard", it's a sliver of cardboard, a die, and a stand. :P
In that case, they can knock $0.85 cents off instead of $1.00.
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I'm not excited for this pack in but can see kids liking it and I don't see why giving us this instead of the piece of nothing we got with CW before would cause them knock the price down. ;)
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They're definitely not knocking down the price based on what the pack-in is. If they priced that way, then they'd be selling each figure for different prices as well. The smart business model is to move the price up with a more relevant pack-in, then do/test whatever you want once the new price is establshed. It's pretty hard to find basic figs under $8 these days, so like Nick eluded to - we'd be looking at $8 even without a pack-in.
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Imagine all of those die strewn about the house waiting to be stepped on, sucked up in the vacuum and choked on by unsuspecting padawans. :P
Although the cards could make a goodpack-in, I do wonder if Hasbro considered choking hazards w/ the dice. Although the figures alone already present choking hazards. Anyway, if Hasbro does the cards, then they're most likely gonna sell the necessary components to play separately - similar to the 30th Anniversary coin album w/ Vader figure. Oh well, if they do this hopefully they include a bonus figure. :P
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If they're doing away with the BADs in favor of slivers of cardboard, they need to knock a dollar off the MSRP.
Hey now - in fairness, the pack-in isn't just "slivers of cardboard", it's a sliver of cardboard, a die, and a stand. :P
Image from ToyArk:
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-10/Fall-2010-Marketing-Plans-Star_1263357444.jpg)
I bought a couple of figures I was on the fence about because I wanted to build the droid. I could see skipping a few figures I'm on the fence about because of stupid **** like this for a pack in.
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They're definitely not knocking down the price based on what the pack-in is. If they priced that way, then they'd be selling each figure for different prices as well. The smart business model is to move the price up with a more relevant pack-in, then do/test whatever you want once the new price is establshed. It's pretty hard to find basic figs under $8 these days, so like Nick eluded to - we'd be looking at $8 even without a pack-in.
I get that, but I think the coins and the B.A.D. pack-ins were used as part of the overall excuse for all the price increases. It just rings hollow when they switch to these (which probably cost next to nothing to make) and the price stays the same.
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I have two replies to this and I couldn't decide... so here are both.
Hey now - in fairness, the pack-in isn't just "slivers of cardboard", it's a sliver of cardboard, a die, and a stand. :P
Just what I've always wanted. ::)
Go with that one. Han used it when being initiated into the Ewok tribe.
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I get that, but I think the coins and the B.A.D. pack-ins were used as part of the overall excuse for all the price increases. It just rings hollow when they switch to these (which probably cost next to nothing to make) and the price stays the same.
Did Hasbro ever state that as an excuse for the price increase? I think that rationale was created by the collecting community to help justify the increased pricing, but I'm not sure Hasbro did/would subscribe to that. I think their price increases were part driven by increased supply chain costs and part driven by an opportunity to raise pricing when prices of everything else are going up.
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Hasbro has been on the record in the past saying that the pack-in adds nothing to the final retail price of the toy, it's a bonus. Now, obviously there's a cost associated with every pack-in, so it's up to debate how much, if any, of that they pass on to us in the MSRP.
If any pack-in over the last 15 years has really been one that would increase the price significantly at retail, it's the droid parts since they have their own paint apps and some of the protocol-style droids don't share parts like the astro droids do. Good luck getting any type of real number out of Hasbro, though. Like Jman said, forum posters are really the ones that used the droid part as a rationalization for the price increase, whether it's true or not from Hasbro's point of view.
I'd put money on this new game aspect to the figures being in the Clone Wars line but not the collector oriented one. It looks sort of like a Top Trumps game mechanic adapted for action figure use. I'm not sure how it compares to WOTC or something like Bakugan or whaterver Japanimation game is popular now. If nothing else, looks like stands will be coming to the CW collection.
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I'm not too concerned whether the BAD parts led to the price increase, but what I do know is that by Hasbro's own admission, collector purchases dropped by 30-40%, so I fear if this year we have a lame pack-in and Hasbro / retail maintain the $8 MSRP, we might lose more collectors. ToyFair will be very telling - we might see the rise or fall of the collector focused line based on what they show.
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As far as I'm concerned, it's a free stand and I'm quite ok with that, regardless of the gaming pieces.
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As far as I'm concerned, it's a free stand and I'm quite ok with that, regardless of the gaming pieces.
I am glad there's a stand included too - at least it's not a total waste for non gamers.
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I'm not sure, but I think that last year Toy Fair was a big letdwon, and we saw very little new stuff. I'm worried that everything will leak in the days before the event, making it a non-event. In fact, looking back at Toy Fair 2009, alll of the product shown was released before ComiCon. Therefore, we may see NO new figures outside of Clone Wars stuff. Hope I'm wrong.
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I'm not sure, but I think that last year Toy Fair was a big letdwon, and we saw very little new stuff. I'm worried that everything will leak in the days before the event, making it a non-event. In fact, looking back at Toy Fair 2009, alll of the product shown was released before ComiCon. Therefore, we may see NO new figures outside of Clone Wars stuff. Hope I'm wrong.
That is sort of what I'm worrying about as well. I can't recall word for word, but I think Hasbro has said in the Q and A's that we'll be getting a peek at the "new line look" for Legacy...so hopefully we'll see not only the cardbacks, but maybe the first wave or two as well. I'm hoping for that, finished versions of the new "starfighter" assortment vehicles (Snowspeeder, Cloud Car, etc.), and hopefully the AT-AT.
I was thinking about this today, but I'm trying to remember the last time Toy Fair had a big "wow" moment for Star Wars toys. It seems like so much gets leaked early, or is held back, that we don't often get rocked by a big surprise anymore. I was thinking it was when the VOTC line came out, but those got premiered online first I think (at Hasbro's own site, for a change).
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In fact, looking back at Toy Fair 2009, alll of the product shown was released before ComiCon. Therefore, we may see NO new figures outside of Clone Wars stuff. Hope I'm wrong.
That is sort of what I'm worrying about as well.
Well, based on the fact that Hasbro puts the whole Saturday afternoon shin-dig together for the collector media, they'd be stupid not to show off any collector targeted product. They are smart enough to foresee how much vitriol there'd be on the net if they completely ignored the movie stuff during an event like this one and only showed off the CW stuff.
Sure, it may not be "new" new or much of a surprise based on how things are leaking once again this year, but there will be something there for collector sites to see/discuss/share with the readers back home. I'm fully expecting at least a preview of the Fall 2010 cardback and at least one Fall basic figure wave. Pepper in some vehicles (Snow, Cloud, AT-AT, etc) and probably some previews/teases of the summer con exclusives an maybe a few retailer exclusives for Fall. Pretty similar to last year.
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I"m just wondering who all is going to cover this. Apparently JD isn't going to be there, and now GH isn't either. I don't really want my news from RS and I self exiled myself from SSG, so I won't be looking there either.
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Apparently JD isn't going to be there
??? No one said JD wasn't going to be there this year...
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Apparently JD isn't going to be there
??? No one said JD wasn't going to be there this year...
Really? I thought Jesse or someone else said they weren't going. Okay, so JD IS going to be there then? If so good!
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I"m just wondering who all is going to cover this. Apparently JD isn't going to be there, and now GH isn't either. I don't really want my news from RS and I self exiled myself from SSG, so I won't be looking there either.
Check out Jedi Temple Archives...they are crushing every other site right now with the breaking news.
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I think the game idea is pretty clever. I'd rather keep the BAD thing, but at least I'll get more stands.
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I think the game idea is pretty clever. I'd rather keep the BAD thing, but at least I'll get more stands.
I agree the game idea is good, for kids. It most likely won't have a huge impact on collectors buying more though.
I'll miss the BaD parts. Stands will be just ok. I just really wish the freakin' price would drop by a $1. I really think that would rope back in people who quit entirely or really dropped their purchasing habits.
When is TF anyway this year? I still haven't seen a date for it.
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Feb. 14-17 (http://www.toyassociation.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=toy_Fair)
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The whole game thing really bothers me. It just reinforces my theories that children lo longer know how to "play." Children are starting organized sports, and video games, at such an early age these days, that they no longer know how to play in an unstrcutured, open-ended scenario. With sports, and video games, the goal is clear and simple; win. But when they pick up toys, they don't know what the goal is. . It's really sad, and I've made sure that my boys (3 1/2 and 5) get plenty of unstructured play time.
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Feb. 14-17 (http://www.toyassociation.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=toy_Fair)
Thanks for the info Jayson.
Say anyone going if you could swing by the MegaBloks booth for me. It's booth #2563. I am interested in seeing the new Halo sets. Any pics would of course be very welcomed and grateful. You can PM them to me or e-mail them if you don't post them in the main forum. Again, thanks to anyone who can help with this specific request.
Is anyone going to cover the LEGO area as well? There are new SW sets planned.
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JD will undoubtedly have have pics as well has RS, YF, GH, JTA etc.
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JD will undoubtedly have have pics as well has RS, YF, GH, JTA etc.
Well of SW stuff yes, but not the Halo stuff... Besides the Megabloks stuff, I'm hoping to see pics of the McFarlane booth too. They have 5" Halo figures and vehicles.
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For non-SW lines, I'd check out Figures.com or CTR, but since I don't collect anything but SW I'm not sure who else would have the coverage you're looking for. :-\
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I"m just wondering who all is going to cover this. Apparently JD isn't going to be there, and now GH isn't either. I don't really want my news from RS and I self exiled myself from SSG, so I won't be looking there either.
Wait, so we aren't going? Well then I need to see if somebody wants my broadway tickets and to stay in the hotel I prepaid for.... crap. My wife is gonna be PISSED.
When Jesse's computer gets fixed we need to tell him too.
I will cancel my appointments with Lego, Schleicht and Mcfarlane then too.
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Feb. 14-17 (http://www.toyassociation.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=toy_Fair)
Well, the Hasbro event for collector media is actually on the 13th.
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I"m just wondering who all is going to cover this. Apparently JD isn't going to be there, and now GH isn't either. I don't really want my news from RS and I self exiled myself from SSG, so I won't be looking there either.
Wait, so we aren't going? Well then I need to see if somebody wants my broadway tickets and to stay in the hotel I prepaid for.... crap. My wife is gonna be PISSED.
When Jesse's computer gets fixed we need to tell him too.
I will cancel my appointments with Lego, Schleicht and Mcfarlane then too.
Heh heh, alright, alright....I've been corrected, lol. Sereiously though, I thought I read somewhere on here that JD wasn't going, so that's where the thought came from. Good to know you guys will be there. By your response does that mean you'll cover LEGO and McFarlane (Halo figures)? Any possibility I can talk you into swinging by Megablocks booth? They are just a little bit away from the LEGO booth.
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I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy114.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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The whole game thing really bothers me. It just reinforces my theories that children lo longer know how to "play." Children are starting organized sports, and video games, at such an early age these days, that they no longer know how to play in an unstrcutured, open-ended scenario. With sports, and video games, the goal is clear and simple; win. But when they pick up toys, they don't know what the goal is. . It's really sad, and I've made sure that my boys (3 1/2 and 5) get plenty of unstructured play time.
I haer you on that. My four year old loves video games, but we also find time to play with his Imaginenext Batman stuff and some of my old school Star Wars stuff. My 18 month old also joins in.
For those looking for coverage of other lines, toynewsi usually has pretty good photos.
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Ha. We love Imaginext too. But what my boys really love are the playsets! I'm sure if Hasbro made some Galactic Hero playsets with the creativity and fun that Fisher Price puts into the Imaginext playsets, that line would really go through the roof. That Batcave is one f the most played with toys we've ever owned.
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We've got our Hasbro Star Wars (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Conventions/Toy_Fair_2010/Hasbro_Star_Wars) gallery live now.
We've decided not to watermark things this year (not worth the effort since folks still steal photos anyway). If you re-use them or repost them, please post a link/credit - thanks!
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Hey Jeff - did you guys get the link to the FTP server to download the slides? I'm interested to see a hi-res shot of those exclusives slides - especially the Zuckass/4-LOM one.
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We're working on downloading stuff now... I can answer questions while we wait. ;)
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Is that wave with the Cold Weather Obi-Wan and Rex going to be the last wave CW in the current packaging?
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Yes, that is the plan. There will be a few "remix" cases over the summer if needed, but the Cold ObiWan, Cold Clone, MAgna Droid, etc should be the last on the 2009 style cardback.
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Not a major question Jeff, but was there any mention of who the 10 repackaged figures are for the vintage line? I know it mentioned being "never before seen" on vintage cardbacks, so part of me leans towards things like the Evolutions Maul, Anakin, Jango, etc. So we've got 27 new/redecoed figures and 10 repacks for a total of 37 for 2010, right? I'm gathering that things like Fett and 4-LOM count as "redecoed" and not repacked.
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Ok - so I've seen a hi-res shot of the 4-LOM/Zuckass exclusive - are they going to label them on the cards incorrectly or are the cards going to have the correct names and they're just going to show pictures of the incorrectly labelled cards?
And what's the deal with the Cloud Car Pilot? The slideshow shows a pilot with a moustache and the figure at the Hasbro booth did not. Is this another running change figure that may never come to pass?
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The Cloud Car Pilot will ship with a mustache (the one on display with was a prototype). There is no variant.
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The Cloud Car Pilot will ship with a mustache (the one on display with was a prototype). There is no variant.
Cool - thanks for the answer...
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They indicated on the slides that the two Comic 2-pack convention exclusives will be "very limited" did they indicate how limited?
I mean they indicate they will be available on both Hasbro Toy Shop and Star Wars Shop, so how limited could they really be?
Is this going to be like trying to order the Sideshow Exclusive 12" figures on the days they go up on the Sideshow site?
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Ok - so I've seen a hi-res shot of the 4-LOM/Zuckass exclusive - are they going to label them on the cards incorrectly or are the cards going to have the correct names and they're just going to show pictures of the incorrectly labelled cards?
True to Kenner vintage, they will be mixed up for the C5. Zuckuss will be labeled 4-LOM and vice-versa. So, you can get "4-LOM" 4-LOM in the basic wave and "Zuckuss" 4-LOM in the exclusive pack.
They hinted that you may see more of these "true Kenner" homages as the line goes on (BLUE coat Echo Base Han, Vinyl Cape Jawa, etc).
And what's the deal with the Cloud Car Pilot? The slideshow shows a pilot with a moustache and the figure at the Hasbro booth did not. Is this another running change figure that may never come to pass?
On the CCP - yeah, the loose proto on display was simply missing the mustache paint ap. The carded Cloud Car Pilot, which is production sample, had the mustache intact.
They indicated on the slides that the two Comic 2-pack convention exclusives will be "very limited" did they indicate how limited?
Limited enough that they won't be clearanced for cheap 2-3 months after the show. So, in other words, (parphrasing here) 'plentiful enough that those who want them can get them, but nowhere near the numbers of something like the McQ Grievous or SDCC Shadow Scout in recent years.'
Not a major question Jeff, but was there any mention of who the 10 repackaged figures are for the vintage line?
Yeah - 4LOM and Fett are redecos. The only other thing they said was RotS was currently planned for Wave 2 (Grievous, Anakin, and more) and we'd know more about new vs. repack at SDCC and C5.
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They hinted that you may see more of these "true Kenner" homages as the line goes on (BLUE coat Echo Base Han, Vinyl Cape Jawa, etc).
I would be in hog heaven if this is the case.
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Vinyl cape and soft goods versions of Jawas would be great.
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Only one wave shown? A bit of a let down. At least the quality of what was shown makes up for it.
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Everything looks great...but pretty slim pickens.
Here's hoping that Snowtroopers get a re-release, because with that AT-AT, I'm going to need to stock up.
Those new vintage cardbacks give me the nostalgia shakes something fierce.
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They indicated on the slides that the two Comic 2-pack convention exclusives will be "very limited" did they indicate how limited?
I mean they indicate they will be available on both Hasbro Toy Shop and Star Wars Shop, so how limited could they really be?
Is this going to be like trying to order the Sideshow Exclusive 12" figures on the days they go up on the Sideshow site?
My thoughts exactly. They keep giving these answers specifically aimed at producing panic. It's not right.
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Only one wave shown? A bit of a let down. At least the quality of what was shown makes up for it.
I have to agree. I was hoping to get a glimpse at Wave 2. The ESB wave definitely ended up being pretty solid. I was a bit surprised by the Cloud Car Pilot being all-new, but I'm still looking forward to getting a couple of them.
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I think the lack of depth of the lines has a lot to do with the fact that they want to have something new to show at SDCC and Celebration V.
Which is why I think they showed us the stuff that will hit between now and the relaunch date in August and the exclusives for those shows and not much more.
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We've got our Hasbro Star Wars (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Conventions/Toy_Fair_2010/Hasbro_Star_Wars) gallery live now.
We emptied another camera tonight - another 150+ pics added to the Hasbro stuff. Be advised that these are Jesse's pics so there's lots of close-ups of cockpits and other nerdy scale related things. ;)
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After a two year hiatus, I'm tempted to get back in with the vintage collection.
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I think I'll count myself out for a carded set, especially if the Free Boba sticker is as horribly placed as this. (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Conventions/Toy_Fair_2010/Hasbro_Star_Wars&image=116.JPG&img=64&tt=)
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Wow, I am in for all the vintage cards at this point. Those look amazing! Thanks for the pictures guys!
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I think I'll count myself out for a carded set, especially if the Free Boba sticker is as horribly placed as this. (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Conventions/Toy_Fair_2010/Hasbro_Star_Wars&image=116.JPG&img=64&tt=)
The good thing is that the sticker is supposed to be easily removable, so the card should display much better than that.
I'm dangerously close to collecting carded figures again...
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I think I'll count myself out for a carded set, especially if the Free Boba sticker is as horribly placed as this. (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Conventions/Toy_Fair_2010/Hasbro_Star_Wars&image=116.JPG&img=64&tt=)
I hope the stickers are easy to remove. You're right, sticker placement makes the overall package look horrible.
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Thanks, guys, for the great news and pictures!
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Just to confirm - yes, the fett sticker is designed to peel off easily for those who want clean cards.
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Just to confirm - yes, the fett sticker is designed to peel off easily for those who want clean cards.
Ah, that's good news. Or not good news, since now I'm in for several hundred more dollars. :-\
And thanks guys for the fantastic coverage! :)
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Am I alone in finding Hasbro's 2010 Star Wars offerings lackluster compared to previous years.
I always was lefting drooling over a good handful of figures, this year, almost nothing.
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I was curious how many people would be going "carded/loose" again with this line. I've never really collected that way aside from the previous VOTC and VTSC lines (and a Han/Chewie collection), but I have to admit that I'm awfully tempted with the return of the vintage cardbacks as well. It will all depend on what the budget will allow, but there should be some months to save up here I guess.
Also, although we knew that the battle packs were going back to kid-friendly (for the most part) and the slimmer box, it really seemed like there was very little to reveal as far as that line went. For the "movie" side of things, I think the only new one was the Hoth one (Vader/Snowtrooper/Hoth Scout w/Bike)...but again, I'm sure there will be more to come at SDCC.
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I was curious how many people would be going "carded/loose" again with this line.
I've been carded since I started in 01, but HATED the newer Legacy cards, so I cracked a wave open, but felt awful so I'm on track especially since we're going back to vintage packaging. I'm sure there's a bunch of openers that will stray back, but who knows.
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I was curious how many people would be going "carded/loose" again with this line.
I've been carded since I started in 01, but HATED the newer Legacy cards, so I cracked a wave open, but felt awful so I'm on track especially since we're going back to vintage packaging. I'm sure there's a bunch of openers that will stray back, but who knows.
I won't buy a set to keep carded, however I will CAREFULLY remove the bubble form the card so I have as pristine card as possible with the bubble off of it. Then I can easily put it into a slip cover and into a book. (I've done this with the last several card designs, so it's nothing new for me.) I just can't justify the cost and reasoning to keep stuff carded now. Of all my collection I'd guess less than 7-10 is carded/boxed.
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I won't buy a set to keep carded, however I will CAREFULLY remove the bubble form the card so I have as pristine card as possible with the bubble off of it. Then I can easily put it into a slip cover and into a book.
Very cool idea. I'm pretty sure I've kept the cards from all of my opener VOTC/VTSC figures, so that would be a neat way to sit down and enjoy them along with TVC cards. I've certainly never bothered to keep the cardbacks from any other line.
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I'm not going to be going the carded collectionj route, but there's a chance I'll try to remove the bubbles without damaging the cards I think.
I like the cardbacks, and the look will be distinct for sure.
Everything they showed was pretty great though. I wasn't disappointed with much. I even was real into the AT-AT which I don't have an immediate intention to buy... But I still dug it.
The figures, I am easy because I like resculpts... To me, the line's almost got a wealth of them deeper than new figures IMO. I've got a laundry list a mile long of stuff I'd enjoy seeing redone, or even just tweaked, and I'd gladly buy it again. If it's a big enough improvement I'm pretty happy, so figures like Bespin Luke (now we've seen that up close), are really nice. A bit recent, but still really nice.
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Yeah, I pretty much want to clear out a lot of my older modern figures in favor of the vintage syle cardbacks. I don't think I can go the buy 1 carded and 1 loose route though. Maybe with a few of them? I'll see later on.
I actually like a lot that was shown at Toy Fair this year. Although it would have been nice to more of the figures in the vintage line. I kind of thought they would not since we don't even get the first wave until August. Oh well.
The AT-AT looked pretty darn good. I am sucker for the Rocket Firing Fett.
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Well, looking back I feel disappointed we didn't see anything larger than the standard vehicles for the TCW line. No gunship, no Y-Wing, no Turbo Tank or At-Te equivalent. I hope they plan to roll something more compelling out for SDCC.
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I'm not going to be going the carded collectionj route, but there's a chance I'll try to remove the bubbles without damaging the cards I think.
I like the cardbacks, and the look will be distinct for sure.
Everything they showed was pretty great though. I wasn't disappointed with much. I even was real into the AT-AT which I don't have an immediate intention to buy... But I still dug it.
The figures, I am easy because I like resculpts... To me, the line's almost got a wealth of them deeper than new figures IMO. I've got a laundry list a mile long of stuff I'd enjoy seeing redone, or even just tweaked, and I'd gladly buy it again. If it's a big enough improvement I'm pretty happy, so figures like Bespin Luke (now we've seen that up close), are really nice. A bit recent, but still really nice.
I'm sort of in the same boat as Jesse with the resculpt opinion. When I try to make up my lists of what I want the most, a lot of it consists of re-dos (primarily from the OT). Sure, there will always be more all-new figures we'd all like to see, and I'm happy for those too - but the sculpting/paint/articulation (for the most part) has improved so much since the POTF2 days there are a lot of improvements we could see.
I may end up going the "carefully remove the cardback" route as well, we'll see. I actually do that with all the lines (keep the cardbacks), and then usually end up purging a lot of it every year or two again thinking "why did I keep these". I do have a carded set of the VOTC/VTSC so far, so we'll see. I'll definitely keep the cardbacks either way. Like I said, I end up throwing quite a few away after awhile from the other lines (aside from "vintage", OTC, and 25th Joes) and keep just a few samples or something (although all of that is available online now).
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Just to confirm - yes, the fett sticker is designed to peel off easily for those who want clean cards.
That's just cruel.
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Am I alone in finding Hasbro's 2010 Star Wars offerings lackluster compared to previous years.
I always was lefting drooling over a good handful of figures, this year, almost nothing.
I think the big issue is they have two (if not three) shows to fill in the Fall - SDCC, C5, and possibly NYCC (Marvel for sure at NYCC). They basically admitted to having to hold back a lot (exclusives) until later in the year so they have enough to reveal at each show.
It was sort of anti-climatic and there weren't any huge reveals, but there is more coming than what was shown.
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Other general stuff I learned at Toy Fair...
- Legends cards use the "Shadow of the Dark Side" style of the Clone Wars figures, but with a big orange stripe at the top. The merchandising teams will be providing info and updates to retailers to help them keep the two lines straight because...
- CW and Legends will be dropping to $6.99 SRP. Vintage will stay at $7.99 because they know we'll pay it the higher cost is needed to get us more "new" figures with the quality we've grown accustomed to seeing.
- CW gets a price break because they can afford it now thanks to many 2+ year old figures ending up in the line again next year (Anakin, Rex, Ahsoka, etc). The fact that they can keep recarding and reusing so many of the figures helps bring the price of the line down. Legends gets the price break because they look like the CW stuff.
- In case you can't tell by the pictures, the cards are back to 6x9 for the Vintage line. The CW/Legends cardback is the new smaller size though.
- From Derryl Depriest: "the bubble was designed to accomodate the big figures... but not HUGE ones". In other words, a GamGuard wll fit in the new bubble (it's much deeper than I was expecting and should be just one standard size used for all figures), but Hermi/Ephant will not. Doesn't rule out a repack of them someday, just not anytime soon.
- I asked about Bastila Shan. Sounds like at some point, we will get an EU wave on the "vintage" cardbacks. Probably not until late 2011, early 2012 but there will probably be EU on the cards at some point.
- The eventual EU wave (whenever it happens) will likely hold a few of the cancelled comic pack guys - Noghri, Ralra, Non Anor, etc. That was good news to me because I'd probably buy a few Noghri now and wouldn't have with the comic pack.
- More on the EU wave; they were still trying to figure out if the cards would simply say "Star Wars", "Star Wars: Expanded Universe" or if they'll get down to a finer level of detail (KOTOR, Dark Horse Legacy, etc).
- Sounds like it's... Wave 1 = ESB, Wave 2 = RotS, Wave 3 = RotJ, and Wave 4 = AotC. We'll probably get wave 2-4 at SDCC and then previews of waves 5-6 (ANH, TPM) at C5.
- Contrary to what you may have read elsewhere, there was NO info at Toy Fair on the AotC wave or another set of Target Arena 2-Packs.
- Still no home for Imp Scanning Dude #2. They really want to get him out, but they don't have aplace for him in 2010. Maybe 2011...
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- CW and Legends will be dropping to $6.99 SRP. Vintage will stay at $7.99 because they know we'll pay it the higher cost is needed to get us more "new" figures with the quality we've grown accustomed to seeing.
Wow, good luck with that Hasbro. . .
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Thanks for all of the great info and pics Jeff (and everyone else). We may not have seen a ton of "new" stuff, simply because of leaked information, but I'm still pretty excited about the line for the next year plus. The vintage stuff is just what I was hoping for in the line, and I for one am sort of happy for the smaller release numbers (but I'd rather not have the 6-8 month break we've been getting each year). Looking forward to see more of what the vintage line has to offer later this year as well, and the ESB wave looks great.
I have been back and forth with the CW stuff, but have stuck with it for the most part so far and I'm looking forward to a number of the upcoming figures there too. Plus, the deluxe line looks to really be hitting its stride (particularly this fall) with a lot of neat mini rig like stuff there. Jeff's info about the price cut being due to being able to release older figures reminds me again of how this CW line is similar in many ways to what the vintage line was when we were kids. There isn't a huge number of "new" figures each year, they are mixed in with the main characters from the beginning of the line, and there is a lot of neat supporting stuff with the deluxes, vehicles, etc. Similar to how we saw figures from Star Wars (and ESB) still re-released during the ROTJ line, etc.
One thing that I've noticed is how Hasbro has been so specific saying the Vintage Collection will last "at least two years". I don't think we've ever heard them specifically announce how long a line will run (and lately its barely been a year before a card change), so it makes me wonder if there is a specific reason for that. I wonder if its "we're going to try to get all the stuff out we can in two years before the movie stuff dies out", since they are constantly talking about the realistic line's struggles...or if there is something more that they know about the live action series or something, and thinking that the line will take a new look when that hits. Personally, I hope the movie line goes on for a long time to come, but I guess if they made good choices from now until 2012-2013, they could probably cover quite a bit of what we'd want.
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The impression I got on that is that the reboot's to reacquire collector's interest, and that they're willing to go a while with this line's look if it's drawing in the crowds. Not that it's a race to get everything out they feel's a necessity as much as it's a long-term plan to get collector's hooked again, but at some point the line's look will change again.
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Now that they've decided they'd do PT and EU figures on it anyway, they should leave the vintage style packaging indefinitely.
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Now that they've decided they'd do PT and EU figures on it anyway, they should leave the vintage style packaging indefinitely.
That's how I feel about it.
I have to say again, this needs to be about the product not the packaging. If the figures are good enough or great, people will buy them.
However,I will say carding these on Vintage style cards will most certainly be a draw and I support the vintage style for the long haul. Maybe not the next 8 years that Hasbro has the license, but their projected 2+ years is a good start.
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Somehow this:
(http://www.starwarscustomcarded.com/Star_Wars_Kenner/2021backs/gallery/images/snag.jpg)
...just says Star Wars more than this...
(http://www.snowtroopers.ca/trilogoguide/Saga/anakinhanger.jpg)
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The impression I got on that is that the reboot's to reacquire collector's interest, and that they're willing to go a while with this line's look if it's drawing in the crowds. Not that it's a race to get everything out they feel's a necessity as much as it's a long-term plan to get collector's hooked again, but at some point the line's look will change again.
Yeah, that is sort of what I meant (although I did a lousy job saying it) - I do think this line is definitely "for us", as far as collectors go. I think this is Hasbro's way of pulling out all the stops for collectors, and seeing if the sales improve. I would sure think this line would do well, but if the collector base has dropped off as much as they say/think, maybe it won't. It all looks great to me though, and I'm really looking forward to it. Wish we didn't have to wait until August. I never would have thought it before, but if sales don't improve in the next couple years, maybe they would give the movie stuff a rest (at least until something else big like 3D versions of the movies, blu ray, etc.) Like I said, I do think they could cover a lot of much wanted new figures and resculpts in a few years though.
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I agree this should be the card for the rest of the line - Coca-Cola has had the same basic packaging for how many years? Campbell's soup? People identify these cards with Star Wars in a big way, and I'd love to see it extended to even the Clone Wars.
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I've lost track of how many times I saw 30-yr old something guys with their wives/kids in the action figure aisle oogling over the 25th Joe stuff with the vinty cardbacks that stopped collecting as a kids. Never bothered to ask them about what's up now, but I'm sure with the $7.99 price point as apposed to $9.99 - it might grab some of those "lingering" old school SW collectors back into the meat n potatoes of this line.
and I'd love to see it extended to even the Clone Wars.
Totally disagree and I think it kinda sucks that we'll be seeing prequel figures on these beautiful cards, but at least this will be a 2 year run so that's good..I guess. I dig the "cloudy darkside" whatever packaging, but these lines really need different packaging for CW/Legends especially after the mess we've all seen at retail these past few years. Would love to see if retail actually puts what belongs where on the pegs, but this is a start.
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I agree, differentiating the lines is a great thing. It will definitely help.
I'm not purist with the cards, though. I'm a Star Wars nerd since 1977 at the Starlight Drive In, and I have no issues whatsoever seeing PT or CW figures on these cards. Kind of like I mentioned before, these cards are Star Wars - and good or bad, it's all Star Wars.
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Honestly I will probably be more interested in getting a PT figure on a vintage cardback than before. Especially for the major characters like Darth Maul, Kenobi, Jinn, Jango Fett, some clonetroopers/commanders, etc.
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I agree, differentiating the lines is a great thing. It will definitely help.
I'm not purist with the cards, though. I'm a Star Wars nerd since 1977 at the Starlight Drive In, and I have no issues whatsoever seeing PT or CW figures on these cards. Kind of like I mentioned before, these cards are Star Wars - and good or bad, it's all Star Wars.
I agree on this... To me, good or bad, it's Star Wars... So I don't mind seeing things on it. It seems Expanded Universe things happening on these cards are going to happen, and they're not sure what to do about it, so good or bad it's going to happen regardless I guess.
I'm of the opinion that packaging is garbage, so I don't care what they put on vintage cardbacks... It's all getting ripped open by me unless it's that odd rare one I keep carded (A new Tarkin would win a spot, so would a Fleet Trooper).
I'll enjoy the cards though. I like the new Clone Wars look too though.
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Genrally i'm pleased with what was shown. But i'm disapointed by some short cuts taken on vintage redo cards like C-3po -we could have had a new picture here - and Vader!- imagine that admittedly solid vader figure on a card back depicting him on the bespin gantry arm raised in a fist -C'mon Hasbro!
Also it seems were in for a redo heavy year were iconic characters from across the six films get their time in the vintage sunshine. The lack of new backgrounders may not be to every collectors taste.
Hopefully they can hit a balance that prevents collector fatigue from setting in.
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Am I the only one who find the pricing strategy weird? They're trying to bring collectors back so they LOWER the pricing on the CW line?
The only line that's actually performing?!
Don't give me the investment excuse as the rationale behind keeping the vintage line at $7.99 because the CW line is nothing BUT new tooling.
Bite the bullet and take everything down to $6.99.
It accomplishes two things - 1.) excites the collector base and 2.) avoids confusion at retail. Without the clamshell, the two different price points are going to drive people crazy - both the shelf stockers and casual consumer.
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Yeah, I thought the different price points was a little bit odd too - and I'll be curious to see how retail handles it. Sure, it might be labeled seperately, but so are the three lines now - and we all see how that works. I can see a number of people (parents) getting to checkout and say "the peg said $6.99", and getting a surprise there.
As far as the packaging, I'd also like to see this cardback just stay for the rest of the line - however long it lasts. I'm glad that we'll at least be getting it for two years, but as others have said, I think the cardback just says Star Wars - particularly to anyone 20 and older. I'm fine with keeping the CW seperate with their own cardback, but the "movie" stuff should continue in this style. I too saw a lot of guys stopping to look at the 25th Joes when those first hit, and the packaging is what drew them in there as well. I'm really looking forward to this line, and hope that it lasts awhile. I'm still debating whether to get a carded set or not. I usually don't do that (can't afford, nor do I really care to for the most part) - but I did with the VOTC/VTSC and I'm glad that I did that. With these, we'll see. I'll definitely keep the cardbacks regardless....but I'm starting to think I should be throwing away more of the other lines' cardbacks than I have. It does seem silly to keep a lot of it.
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...Don't give me the investment excuse as the rationale behind keeping the vintage line at $7.99 because the CW line is nothing BUT new tooling.
But CW isn't all new tooling. Many of the clones and droids have been re-used/repainted. Many of the main characters have shipped for 2 years and some (Rex, Ahsoka, Anakin, etc) will continue to ship in year 3. That's a lot of reuse. And it's helped them drop the price, which is something that they've heard from a number of sources - moms, collectors, retailers - they all want cheaper figures.
Hasbro can swing lower prices on CW now, so they are dropping the price. Legends goes along for the ride because the cardback looks the same. That makes the majority of Hasbro Star Wars customers happy (retail/kids).
Like I said earlier in the thread. Vintage gets to stay at $7.99 because of "tooling", or like everyone knows - because we've proven over the past two years that we'll pay it. :P
The vintage look is about tempting those who've left to come back and tempting former carded collectors to go back to buying 2x each again. That's how they are going to generate more sales. Would lowering the price help? Absolutely.
But lets face it - if you were the big company, wouldn't you try to lure them back at $8 each and get that extra $1? If that doesn't work, THEN you lower the vintage price to $6.99 right before the hoilday season to match CW/Legends.
Yeah, I thought the different price points was a little bit odd too - and I'll be curious to see how retail handles it. Sure, it might be labeled seperately, but so are the three lines now - and we all see how that works. I can see a number of people (parents) getting to checkout and say "the peg said $6.99", and getting a surprise there.
I think ultimately the fact that the lines have very different looks (cardback style, cardback size, bubble design), plus the fact that retailers now have a vested interest in keeping them segregated (different price point) means hopefully the pegging situation will improve.
It also sounded like Hasbro wants "vintage" to be a bit more isolated - for example, pegs would be arranged like so --> CW - Legends - deluxe - vintage. That requires Target/TRU buy in though, but it would help break things up a bit, which would help keep them separate.
I know, I know, retail's dumb, they suck and won't keep them straight, blah blah blah. That may ultimately be true, but at least they are trying a few things to keep them isolated this year, which is more than can be said for the past two years.
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Yeah, good points Jeff. I do understand why Hasbro would do something like this, and the issue of being able to repack/repaint figures in CW being a way to help that too. Heck, if the "movie" line keeps getting scaled back, I don't even mind seeing that approach there as well. Having a wave with some new figures/resculpts and padding it out with things from the previous "vintage" lines and other greats from the past few years of collecting. We've discussed it before, but there are certain figures (for example VOTC Han, VOTC Fett, all the Imperial troops, EB Chewie, TLC Obi-Wan, evolution figures, etc.) that are pretty much "perfect" and could just be re-released/recarded until the end of the line. Like I said, another nice example of how the CW line is like this generation's "vintage" line. Lots of main characters just recarded, and padding it out with appropriate secondary characters for the life of the line. It works pretty well I'm guessing, and helps CW to be the success that it is.
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Honestly I will probably be more interested in getting a PT figure on a vintage cardback than before. Especially for the major characters like Darth Maul, Kenobi, Jinn, Jango Fett, some clonetroopers/commanders, etc.
Yeah, I'm definitely in this camp as well. I'll get the major characters for sure, even if just for the card. I'm still planning on not collecting to keep these carded, but well, you can never say never.
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- Still no home for Imp Scanning Dude #2. They really want to get him out, but they don't have aplace for him in 2010. Maybe 2011...
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But wait I thought the price was up to the retailer instead of Hasbro? LOL! Guess not.
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Honestly I will probably be more interested in getting a PT figure on a vintage cardback than before. Especially for the major characters like Darth Maul, Kenobi, Jinn, Jango Fett, some clonetroopers/commanders, etc.
I remain firmly in the other camp, but I can see the appeal for folks. I think Darby's point about it being the cardback for the rest of the line would make it more acceptable to me. But I can also see Hasbro's desire to separate off the other lines, CW in particular, to make it more appealing to the kidlins. I sure see that "collectors" are drawn to the old style cardback but it is meaningless to the Clone Wars fans, predominantly kids.
To be absolutely truthful I don't really give a crap much about Hasbro at this point. I'm continuing to downsize like crazy and the only thing I may be interested in having carded these days is a vintage carded figure, so whatever Hasbro chooses to put on a modern cardback is a moot point for me. I'm at the point where I'm taking what I have and keeping what I want and dissolving the rest of it for cash.
I still hope they put out the Death Squad Commander and the Jawa on these cardbacks or at least as really high quality sculpts to round out the original 12. Otherwise I'm just interested in new and better sculpts of older figures that I can own in my loose collection. If you guys want a Jar Jar Binks on an old school Star Wars card then more power to ya, but I'll be laughing at you. ;)
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I wonder how long Hasbro has been sitting on this idea, just waiting to bring it out once collector interest had died a little...
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I think the pretty rampant success of the 25th Joe line had a lot to do with it...
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I agree Scott, I think that helped, and they really seem to feel this is a solid way to go with saying this is the look for a fairly significant ammount of time.
I'm in the camp that I really obviously want a price decrease, and I hope it comes at some point... Jeff's right though, why sell lower when you can sell higher? What I'm hoping Hasbro sees is the trend that a lot of people aren't buying as much because of the price. $6.99 at this point would be a godsend to army building, and any extras. Every little bit helps. So I remain hopeful for a change in the future... Like I've said before, the price has seriously curtailed the totals I spend. Few figures get the insane army building from me anymore, and really nothing from the PT does.
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I wish the backs were like the 25th anniversary line with the homage to the old SW backs. I get the little history lesson, but that could go on the bottom where the ships and accessories went.
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I've read through most of the threads but may have still missed this, and no other websites seem to be answering the question for me. The upcoming EU wave was basically confirmed as a TRU exclusive this May. Any more word on that a Toy Fair, as to yes, it definitely is or why?
Hasbro showed off the TFU multi-packs in the slideshow but I haven't seen or read about a single mention on the EU wave.
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The upcoming EU wave was basically confirmed as a TRU exclusive this May. Any more word on that a Toy Fair, as to yes, it definitely is or why?
Yes, it definitely is a shared exclusive wave. TRU will take the first shipments in approximately May, then Hasbro will open up the excess stock to the on-line places (EE, BBTS, etc).
Hasbro would not get into specifics (did Walmart/Target reject them, cut back orders, or what?). All they would say on the subject is due to declining demand on the Legacy stuff (and that's retail demand, not necesarily consumer demand), TRU is getting the EU wave, then on-line.
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Hasbro would not get into specifics (did Walmart/Target reject them, cut back orders, or what?). All they would say on the subject is due to declining demand on the Legacy stuff (and that's retail demand, not necesarily consumer demand), TRU is getting the EU wave, then on-line.
I don't think retail knows what the hell is going on.
Every store I go to is packed solid with Clone Wars and Legends figures with a thin layer of dust on them. There isn't any Legacy to be found anywhere. By the odd chance a case of Legacy is put out, it's gone within 1-2 days max.
For like 10 years straight I was able to go to Target, TRU and Walmart and get about 30 of every army builder I wanted. This year I was lucky to find 5 of each in the wild.
I don't know what caused the glut of Clone Wars and Legends stuff (crap) on the shelves, but when Legacy appears, we snatch it up faster than a crackhead looking for a next hit.
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Yeah, it is much the same around here. There is a ton of Clone Wars (and some Legends) on the pegs, and the Legacy figures are usually gone in a couple days. There are two Legacy figures hanging at our local Target (Leesub and a Rancor Keeper), but everything else is gone almost instantly. I saw the Empire wave at retail once, and it was gone in a few days...and really none of the waves since the cardback switch have hung around very long.
I do think the CW stuff sells through pretty consistently, but there is always some on the pegs. I think it has been mentioned previously on these forums, but I think stores get 4 cases of CW for every one of Legacy though. It sells more, and is stocked much more frequently. I don't think any of us argue that fact, it is just the thing where they keep saying "retail has enough Legacy", but it doesn't seem like many of us are seeing it at retail at all...it just hasn't made it that far yet or something.
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as an adult collector, I appreciate the effort Hasbro goes into making the toys for us and our kids. I like SA as long as it doesn't hamper the ability to play with it. I still have my ORIGINAL 1980 Dengar, 4LOM and ZUCKESS so I'm glad for the new versions. I got 4-LOM when he came out and plan to get Zuckess soon (as a 'dad' purchase since my son isn't interested in him) and the same for Dengar, I have the OTC version who looks good but needs the updated articulation. Though I could use another IG-88 cause, all the articulation - as cool as it was - resulted in some broken arms and leg cables. But I do love me some Bounty Hunters! We have the At-At from two years ago, I never had one as a kid so my son and I got a lot out of it. But we are both loking forward to the NEW At-At. I also have my original Cloud Car so I'm not exactly hurting for the new one but may get it over time and I'm glad they're making it for the people who want one.
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I am pleased w/ what Hasbro revealed @ Toy Fair, although I feel they could have shown the next wave (ROTS wave) in TVC after the ESB wave. I was unsatisfied to see so much of TCW line plans revealed w/out more of the TVC. Well, SDCC, here we go!