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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Jeff on February 8, 2010, 03:21 PM
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Some Capt. America movie plot points from the director - spoilers apply (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/02/captain-america-will-be-a-uso-performer-in-the-movie-director-says.html)
... I can't wait to read what the Marvel guys have to say about the new Cap origin. :-X
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Yeah, no complaints here. Hopefully the USO bits will be about American Superiority in some respect... raising spirits based on our scientific superiority... and not him up there singing and dancing.
PS: You guys need a "Spoiler" font color in the list. ;)
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If it's based during WWII, I'm guessing it will be more about the old song and dance.
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PS: You guys need a "Spoiler" font color in the list. ;)
The best solution I've seen is to post your spoiler in teeny tiny itty bitty font. Then if someone wants to read it they just have to click the "quote" button.
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Captain America and Superman movies start to take shape. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/captain-america-and-superman-movies-start-to-take,38573/)
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Wow, interesting choices for Cap. I'm definitely not a fan of JK playing him - I just can't see it.
And for the record, David Hasselhoff makes an awesome Nick Fury. It was the plot, directing, and rest of the cast that ruined that film.
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As much as I love John Krasinski in The Office, I can't see him as Cap either. Cap isn't the "aw shucks" type of character. He's completely intense and driven, something I don't see Krasinski pulling off.
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I saw that list too, and thought the same thing. I really like Krasinski, particularly in the roles he's been in, but I don't necessarily picture him as Cap either. Of course, there have been stranger castings that have worked out too. I also read an "update" this morning saying that they were really hoping to get Jensen Ackles (Supernatural) for the role, but there were scheduling conflicts. I don't know if anyone knows who he is, but we watch Supernatural, and he is excellent on that show. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. I could see someone like Krasinski being out as he would likely cost a bit more than some of these other relative unknowns (same could be said for that dude from Gossip Girl that is on some of the lists).
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Jensen Ackles would be FANTASTIC.
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Patrick Flueger is an interesting name in the mix. I liked him on the 4400. Put him in the gym for a couple of months and he'd make a good Cap. Scott Porter may not be a bad choice either, but that guy's name has been kicked around for several superheroes, including Superman in that JLA movie that seems to have died.
I really don't know how John Krasinski's name ended up on that list, though. Love that guy, but as a superhero? Man...that would be epic casting if they picked him, and he pulled it off. That would rank up there with Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man or Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.
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I will wait to pass judgment on Krasinski. To me he seems like a horrible fit...but Downey Jr. and Ledger didn't seem like good fits for Iron Man and The Joker to me either and I was *way* off on that.
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I will wait to pass judgment on Krasinski. To me he seems like a horrible fit...but Downey Jr. and Ledger didn't seem like good fits for Iron Man and The Joker to me either and I was *way* off on that.
Really? I'll agree with you regarding Heath, but I always thought that RDJ would be a great Tony Stark.
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I will wait to pass judgment on Krasinski. To me he seems like a horrible fit...but Downey Jr. and Ledger didn't seem like good fits for Iron Man and The Joker to me either and I was *way* off on that.
Really? I'll agree with you regarding Heath, but I always thought that RDJ would be a great Tony Stark.
Agreed. Ledger was a surprise (and a welcome one), but RDJ is the perfect look for Tony Stark. I was surprised they went with him and surprised what a good actor he is, but physically and behaviorally he seemed like a great fit beforehand.
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Krasinski favorite to win 'Captain America' role (http://www.superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9144)
Its already been discussed on here, but it is being reported again that he is the current favorite and has even tested multiple times so far. Like I said before, I really like Krasinski in the stuff I've seen him in - and he seems like a genuinely likeable guy - but I wouldn't have ever thought of him for Cap. That being said, I'll keep and open mind and wait and see. As it has often been mentioned, people thought the same things with choices like Health Ledger, Tobey Maguire, and even Robert Downey Jr.
UPDATE: Another report (http://www.superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9146) is now saying that Krasinski is not the frontrunner, and may not even be being considered at this point. They list the following currently under consideration:
Wilson Bethel (HBO's Generation Kill, Young and the Restless)
Chris Evans (Fantastic Four, The Losers, Push)
Mike Vogel (Cloverfield)
Garrett Hudlund (Tron Legacy)
Honestly, outside of Evans, I'm not real familiar with anyone on this list - although I've seen them mentioned before in some cases. Hopefully they get this cast pretty soon.
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Krasinski favorite to win 'Captain America' role (http://www.superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9144)
Its already been discussed on here, but it is being reported again that he is the current favorite and has even tested multiple times so far. Like I said before, I really like Krasinski in the stuff I've seen him in - and he seems like a genuinely likeable guy - but I wouldn't have ever thought of him for Cap. That being said, I'll keep and open mind and wait and see. As it has often been mentioned, people thought the same things with choices like Health Ledger, Tobey Maguire, and even Robert Downey Jr.
UPDATE: Another report (http://www.superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9146) is now saying that Krasinski is not the frontrunner, and may not even be being considered at this point.
Good. "Jim" from The Office would have ruined Captain America for me.
We need somebody that nobody knows.
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I saw over at SuperHeroHype that the latest rumor is that Hugo Weaving is in talks to play the Red Skull.
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He'd be a pretty good pick. How's his German?
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Weaving would make an excellent Red Skull. Doesn't really matter if he knows German, I have no doubt he could phonetically speak his lines if he had to. He did fine with the Elvish (Sindarin?) language in LOTR.
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He makes a good villian, I like the choice if it's him.
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Yeah and his voice work in V for Vendetta was awesome
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Good God, now Channing Tatum's (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/03/16/captain-america-channing-tatum) name is being tossed into the mix for Captain America. How the hell did that guy get so popular? His acting sucks.
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Good God, now Channing Tatum's (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/03/16/captain-america-channing-tatum) name is being tossed into the mix for Captain America. How the hell did that guy get so popular? His acting sucks.
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I really don't get all the hype with Channing Tatum either, the guy is everywhere these days. Plus, it seems like if they need a young, 20-30ish guy to play an army man, you go with Channing Tatum. Honestly, I can see why they might be looking at him - looks wise - for Captain America, but I'd rather see someone else get the role as well.
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I wish the articles had pictures of the actors, i have no idea who any of them are.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Channing+Tatum
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Wilson+Bethel
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Mike+Vogel
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Chris+Evans
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Garrett+Hedlund
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Now that was funny. :)
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Except for Chris Evens, I've never seen any of these guys in my life. What are they all? Sears underwear models?
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Here is your answer (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=male+underwear+models). :P
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classic. i will be using that sight often...
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Add another name to the Cap mix....Ryan Phillippe (http://movies.ign.com/articles/107/1077984p1.html). So, over the past couple weeks I've seen all of these actors mentioned:
John Krasinski
Chris Evans
Scott Porter
Channing Tatum
Kellen Lutz
Wilson Bethel
Mike Vogel
Garrett Hedlund
Ryan Phillippe
For a movie scheduled for July 2011, you would think they would get this sorted out pretty soon. I remember reading that casting was "a couple weeks away", and that was a month and a half ago. Hopefully it gets sorted out soon. I do like the Weaving as Red Skull rumor though.
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I don't think the Capt America movie ned a whole lot of post production.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Channing+Tatum
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Wilson+Bethel
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Mike+Vogel
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Chris+Evans
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Garrett+Hedlund
AWESOME!!!!!!!
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The Hollywood Reporter (http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/03/chris-evans-captain-america.html) is saying that Chris Evans was offered the Captain America part, but they haven't confirmed the story with either Marvel or Evans' agent.
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Okay, i'll take that over John Krasinski.
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Evans has tons of charisma. I think he'd make a great Cap.
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Evens is the best choice out of all the underwear models that they were considering. So I guess the Fantastic 4 won't be meeting up the Captain America anytime soon.
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Sounds like Chris Evans (http://www.superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9193) is confirmed for Captain America, with an official announcement coming soon. It also sounds like Weaving is definitely the Red Skull, at least according to this article. It sounds like Evans is signed for three Cap movies, plus Avengers, with possible appearances elsewhere.
I really like Evans as an actor, so I think he could do a good job. However, I do think he was the best part of the Fantastic Four movies, and made the perfect Johnny Storm, and it will be different seeing him in the role of Cap which is/should be completely different. He does seem like a talented actor though - and I've enjoyed him in about every movie we've seen him in, so I won't say he can't pull it off.
I'm curious what our resident Cap fan - Scott - thinks of the casting of this movie so far.
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Evans will be good I think.
He was perfect as Johnny Storm though, so it will be interesting to see what they do with him as Cap
There was also talk of a rebooted F4 right?
So maybe it wont be that noticeable if its released close to cap?
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Bucky Barnes (http://www.superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9233) has been cast in the Captain America movie. The actor's name is Sebastian Stan, one of several who were once rumored to be testing for Cap himself. I have no idea who he is, but it says in this article that he is from the show Gossip Girl (there is a pic as well).
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Also, it looks like Marvel finally "officially" officially announced Chris Evans as Steve Rogers/Captain America. Here's the linky (http://marvel.com/news/all.11746.captain_america~and~bucky_cast_for_2011_film).
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It sounds like Hugo Weaving (http://www.superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9363) is officially Red Skull in the upcoming Captain America movie. Seems like pretty good casting to me, but we'll see I guess.
In other news, it sounds like Fox is getting close to locking in Matthew Vaughn (Kick Ass) to direct the upcoming X-Men: First Class (produced by Bryan Singer).
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Cap. America costume renders at AICN (http://aintitcool.com/node/45326)
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That looks pretty good! A bit modern for 1944, but still decent.
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Yeah, I don't think those pics look too bad either. A bit "Ultimates"-ish, but I sort of expected that. I guess I always expect a few changes to adapt these costumes from the comics to the big screen. I read somewhere where this might be the more "modern" costume, with another version being the more 1944-era one, but who knows if that is true.
After yesterday's Cap art, it looks like some Chris Hemsworth as Thor (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/102028-possible-thor-concept-art-surfaces) art has surfaced now as well.
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Im digging both, although I kinda miss the wings on Caps head. I think they will both look awesome on screen though.
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Im digging both, although I kinda miss the wings on Caps head. I think they will both look awesome on screen though.
Ditto on all fronts. I'm impressed with both costumes - its tough to come up with a spandex costume that doesn't look goofy. I am missing those little wings though - they could have even painted them on maybe, but oh well. Not a big loss in the scheme of things.
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Digging Thor, but Cap without wings just looks stupid.
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Digging Thor, but Cap without wings just looks stupid.
I kind of still miss the wings, but that costume is awesome. I like it a lot more than spandex chainmail, wings or not. Ironically, I think the general puplic would find a "Cap with Wings" less appealing.
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He looks like a Gi Joe with a parachute attached to his back.
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A possible teaser poster (http://www.marvelousnews.com/index.php?catid=23&itemid=13208) for Captain America, although it isn't confirmed that it is "official".
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Time to start splitting up some topics...since this is my boy I'll start this...feel free to start other threads as needed
As was said in the Comic Movie thread:
(http://l.yimg.com/k/omg/us/img/b6/cd/9490_2366551002.jpg)
Costume officially revealed in the SDCC prints, gotta say it isn't too bad. I'd have liked to have seen some wings on the head but I get the WWII bit
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That is pretty cool. I'm really looking forward to this as well, being a big Cap fan. :)
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I thought the costume was already revealed back in June?
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/jman5544/Misc/capam3.jpg)
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Those were leaked photos I thought, this is direct from Marvel
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Those were leaked photos I thought, this is direct from Marvel
Oh, could be. I definitely like the new costume, but would be nice if they found a way to incorporate the little white wings. Maybe it would look too hokey outside of a comic.
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I agree with what others have said, I'm pretty pumped for a Cap movie as well. It sounds like we'll see something about it at Comic Con this weekend, as Chris Evans/Hugo Weaving will be there signing autographs. Plus, I have a feeling there might be some big stuff going on at the Marvel movies panel. As far as the costume, I like it as well. From what I have read, I think he has 2-3 different costumes in the movie for different reasons (I won't get into in case of spoilers), so the wings may show up on one of those. I do think the art we've seen so far represents the "main" Cap suit.
I was sort of wondering what you thought of everything so far (casting, costume, etc.), being such a big Cap fan Scott. Should be a great year for comic movies next year, specifically for you MN guys (Scott/Jeff) with both Cap and Green Lantern next summer. Hopefully they'll both be great, as well as Thor and X-Men: First Class.
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Those were leaked photos I thought, this is direct from Marvel
I definitely like the new costume, but would be nice if they found a way to incorporate the little white wings. Maybe it would look too hokey outside of a comic.
Then they should have picked someone else whose costume they wouldn't have to screw with. I am SO SICK of these stupid movies with their revisionist history trying to re-write source material which was WAY, WAY better and more imaginative than anything these Hollywood hacks could ever have devised.
Seriously, they're freaking tiny white wings. What's the big deal?
I'm still waiting for a comic book movie that's 100% faithful to the source material. Watchmen came close but he ruined it with that stupid, schlocky made-up ending. >:(
Rant over, comics rule!
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Seriously, they're freaking tiny white wings. What's the big deal?
What's the big deal with omitting them, then?
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Besides the lack of wings, i think it looks good.
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Seriously, they're freaking tiny white wings. What's the big deal?
I'm still waiting for a comic book movie that's 100% faithful to the source material.
Well, 100% faithful to the source material would be including the wings dude. For anyone that grew up reading cap, like me, that was a symbolic part of his costume. Seems like it would be easy enough to just paint them on if nothing else.
As for authenticity, I thought Iron Man was pretty close. Outside of changing the war Stark was tagged in and fastforwarding 200 issues to Iron Monger, it was pretty true to form. Avengers won't be quite right with the Ultimates Fury bringing them together, but that's actually an improved way of linking the characters (go read AVengers #1 - it's really not that good and I'm a HUGE Avengers fan). Just like most books, they can't tell that much story in just one movie, so I'm okay with a little creative editing to bring together the best elements.
Heck, it's been a while since I saw the first Spider-Man, but even that was pretty close to his origin wasn't it?
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Official Site (http://captainamerica.marvel.com/) is now online.
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Heck, it's been a while since I saw the first Spider-Man, but even that was pretty close to his origin wasn't it?
Except for the organic web spinners (which sucked, IMO), a life-long crush on Mary Jane, tiny hooks on his fingers... probably some other things, too.
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Heck, it's been a while since I saw the first Spider-Man, but even that was pretty close to his origin wasn't it?
Except for the organic web spinners (which sucked, IMO), a life-long crush on Mary Jane, tiny hooks on his fingers... probably some other things, too.
Okay, not spot on, but not completely re-written either. I would have liked parker-built-web-shooters too, but I thought the tiny hooks for climbing was a good idea. It's not like a real spider has some kind of anti-gravity power. The Mary Jane thing was fine for me too...again, there's only so much they can tell in one movie.
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...again, there's only so much they can tell in one movie.
Tell that to the chuckleheads that wrote Spider-Man 3.
I would have liked Parker to have to build his web shooters, but other than that, I was happy with everything else they put into the first film as far as his origin goes.
I've never followed Iron Man or Captain America at all, really. So I can't really speak to them, but I liked how they brought Iron Man's origin story to the screen. If Cap can approach what was done with SM and IM (and the new Batman for that matter), I'll be pretty happy with the film.
Honestly, I don't get the wings on the helmet anyway. Unless there's some explanation for them from the comic, it seems like a rather trivial thing. Then again, I mostly liked the leather outfits from the X-Men films instead of the spandex.
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Yeah, as far as Spidey goes - the web shooters were really the only big thing for me, as far as the origins went. I guess the organic ones didn't bother me all that much when I actually saw the movies anyways, but it would have been cool to see it the original way. Other than that, I thought everything (costume, power set, etc.) was about perfect....well, except for the quipping/smart ass remarks. I'd like to see more of that in the Spidey reboot. Spidey is often "funny" in the comics I think (and sort of known for that), and we didn't really get that in the movies.
Anyways, back on the topic here, I hope we hear/see some more about Cap this weekend. I think it is very possible with both Cap (Chris Evans), Red Skull (Weaving), and director Joe Johnston there. Should be a fun weekend. I doubt we'll see footage, since they either just started filming or haven't quite started yet - but maybe some pics or something.
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I'm still waiting for a comic book movie that's 100% faithful to the source material.
I'd be up for something faithful as well but we have to realize that most of the origins of the characters we were/are into happened back in the 1960s, a comparitively innocent time. Many of the ideas that were interesting and exciting to readers in that era would be downright ho-hum to this generation of instant gratification/don't-make-me-think generation it just won't fly and Hollywood recognizes and encourages that.
I think the Cap art Scott posted looks great and pretty close to the original wings notwithstanding. The question that comes to my mind is whether that's a mask or a helmet? I assume the latter given the chin strap but I'd always thought of it as a form fitting mask. Perhaps I'm forgetting my origins for Cap.
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In the movie it's a helmet... supposed to be functional for battle.
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It was a face mask/cowl in the comics, but the movie version appears to be a helmet. That's anupgrade I'm fine with - makes more sense to make it functional.
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Heck, it's been a while since I saw the first Spider-Man, but even that was pretty close to his origin wasn't it?
Except for the organic web spinners (which sucked, IMO), a life-long crush on Mary Jane, tiny hooks on his fingers... probably some other things, too.
Organic spinners were ok with me. Accepting a radioactive spider mutation is one thing, but even as a kid i had a hard time accepting that parker could enginer and build highly complex machinery and invent a precise chemical textile process in his bedroom.
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In a universe where Reed Richards and Tony Stark can create all sorts of unreal equipment, I think it's entirely plausible that science genius Peter Parker can create some web spinners.
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Didn't he make them after hours in a chemsitry class? I didn't read a lot of the early spidey comics, but seems like they portrayed him in the lab quite a bit. I think he even helped Doc Connor with his research going after class to be his lab assistant. He's often utilized as a science/tech guru in the comics, so I do like the artifical web shooter concept for the fit with the books. That said, if he has all the other powers of a spider, it would make sense that he can shoot webs too.
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That said, if he has all the other powers of a spider, it would make sense that he can shoot webs too.
Yeah... out of his ass.
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That said, if he has all the other powers of a spider, it would make sense that he can shoot webs too.
Yeah... out of his ass.
Well, he didn't grow extra sets of limbs either - it doesn't have to match perfectly. ;)
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In a universe where Reed Richards (a genius scientist with unlimited technology at his disposal) and Tony Stark (a multi-millionaire with unlimited technology at his disposal) can create all sorts of unreal equipment, I think it's entirely plausible that science genius Peter Parker (a teenager living with his elderly aunt and uncle and scheming for ways to make a few bucks to buy a used car) can create some web spinners.
not saying I didn't accept it....just in the scheme of things, spinners make a little more sense. Although I used to love it in Web of Spiderman books when Peter would conceal his shooters in his camera gear when traveling. That was brilliant.
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In a way, it makes more sense that the spinners are biological...Let's say Peter Parker comes up with web technology in a lab...why doesn't he just patent the stuff and become rich like Tony Stark, and then fight crime...instead he is broke and lives in Queens. And Queens sucks. I lived there for 13 months....
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I gotta think the web fluid wouldn't pass security as well. If I can't get through with 8oz of water, I don't see how he's going to get catridges of web fluid through security. The disguising his shooters as camera parts seems a little goofy to me as well. If you have a complicated piece of non standard tech going onto a plan, I think it's going to get checked out.
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A few set pics (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1310329/Captain-America-Motorbike-scenes-The-First-Avenger-film-shooting-London.html) from the Cap movie, including Evans' stunt double in costume (and on motorcycle). A few other things that are minor spoilery I guess, so I won't post them here. Pics (and article) at the link.
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That costume looks like ****. The Hydra bikers look pretty cool, though.
I'm more excited for Thor.
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That costume looks like ****.
But there are wings on the helmet...
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That costume looks like ****. The Hydra bikers look pretty cool, though.
I'm more excited for Thor.
You know, when we first saw the concept art/photoshop pics of Cap in costume, I liked how it looked. Then when we saw the poster and action figure at SDCC, I liked it as well. But, seeing these pics, it just doesn't look too good to me for some reason. It may just be the pictures, or the stunt double, but it just looks a bit off to me.
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Dude doesn't look like he fills out the suit. It looks bulky.
But then these shots with a stunt double are probably going to be wide shots, so maybe he has a loose suit for flexibility.
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Dude doesn't look like he fills out the suit. It looks bulky.
But then these shots with a stunt double are probably going to be wide shots, so maybe he has a loose suit for flexibility.
That's what I thought too, it just looks too "baggy" in a way. As far as the color/design, I can't say I have a problem with that - and actually liked the initial concept art/pics/poster/etc. Hopefully we'll get a look at Evans in costume sometime soon, or a trailer by the end of the year or something.
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First pic (and video) (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/107723-first-look-at-chris-evans-on-the-captain-america-set) of Chris Evans as Steve Rogers on set. No costume or anything, but it is from filming apparently.
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He certainly looks like he took some Super Soldier Serum.
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What the hell is Johnny Storm doing on the Captain America set?
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Holy ****. Chris was always really in shape but now he's totally jacked up. Maybe they should have gotten him for Superman.
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Okay, I'm starting to get worried about this movie. :(
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Its the gun show, he was in good shape in The Losers but dam he got some big arms!!
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Its not the movie, but the first trailer (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/108403-first-trailer-for-captain-america-super-soldier) is up for next year's video game Captain America: Super Soldier. Looks kind of neat, although I don't have much time for video games anymore.
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The game reminds me of Rygar.
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Its not the movie, but the first trailer (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/108403-first-trailer-for-captain-america-super-soldier) is up for next year's video game Captain America: Super Soldier. Looks kind of neat, although I don't have much time for video games anymore.
Sweet.
I still have to buy Iron Man and Iron Man 2 video games.
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Looks like Chris Evans as Cap will be on the cover of the upcoming issue of Entertainment Weekly (http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/10/28/captain-america-chris-evans-2/).
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Looks like Chris Evans as Cap will be on the cover of the upcoming issue of Entertainment Weekly (http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/10/28/captain-america-chris-evans-2/).
Cool picture. I keep going back and forth on whether or not I think this is going to be good. This is set in WWII era, correct? I wonder if they are going to follow the comic book ending and have him thaw out in the Avengers movie?
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That's the plan, from what I've heard.
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More pics (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/109625-more-captain-america-photos) from Cap, via the Entertainment Weekly article.
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So do we have the Red Skull and Hydra in this movie or is just Nazis?
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Hugo Weaving is Red Skull, so I'm guessing he'll eventually lose his face at some point in the movie. Haven't heard anything about the Hydras though. Would be cool.
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Just saw this report (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=27004) showing some promo ads for a Hot Toys movie Cap figure. In the art, it looks like the wings were added to his helmet. Just something minor, but hopefully they will be there in the movie as well (maybe in a later costume even).
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Oh, for the love of...they're just painted on! >:(
The wings should be actually tiny wings that protrude from the mask. How hard is that to do?
Everything in the movies should be EXACTLY like it is in the comics, PERIOD. NO exceptions.
Hollywood just sucks. What is it about you people that you can't help yourselves from ruining everything?
*Comic Book Guy rant over*
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Oh, for the love of...they're just painted on! >:(
The wings should be actually tiny wings that protrude from the mask. How hard is that to do?
Everything in the movies should be EXACTLY like it is in the comics, PERIOD. NO exceptions.
Hollywood just sucks. What is it about you people that you can't help yourselves from ruining everything?
*Comic Book Guy rant over*
You must have loved Deadpool in the origins film, and the death of Cyclops and Xavier as much as I did.
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SPOILERS! (http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/01/04/french-movie-magazine-publishes-major-spoilers-for-marvels-captain-america-the-first) (read at your own risk)
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SPOILERS! (http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/01/04/french-movie-magazine-publishes-major-spoilers-for-marvels-captain-america-the-first) (read at your own risk)
Nazis + The Occult = I'm there!
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This is sounding more and more like an Indiana Jones template...
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It also sounds like (possibly during a montage) that they will be recreating the "Cap punches Hitler" cover from Cap #1 in the movie. (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=27436)
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A scan (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/113723-new-photo-of-chris-evans-as-captain-america) of a new pic of Chris Evans as Cap (with helmet and all) from EW has shown up online.
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Thanks for sharing Brian. That outfit is growing on me. Nice to see they added the wings. ;)
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They put a higher quality version of that pic at the same link now. The costume is growing on me as well, and looks pretty nice. I'm somewhat open minded with the costumes for super hero movies. So many of them, particularly the heroes who pretty much wear spandex in the comics, need to be adapted a bit for live action otherwise they would look silly.
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New photo!
(http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/photo-1-300x242.jpg) (http://www.deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/photo-1.jpg)
I like what they've done with it.
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Awesome.
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The stills for this are looking great, I just hope it doesnt suck
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The stills for this are looking great, I just hope it doesnt suck
Yeah, great visuals for this and Thor, but none of that can take the place of a good storyline. Here's hoping they do them both justice.
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Captain America teaser poster (http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/captain-america-movie-poster-image.jpg)
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Captain America teaser poster (http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/captain-america-movie-poster-image.jpg)
Sweet!
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That is a very cool poster, still dont have high hopes for the movie though.
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Super Bowl Spot (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810026349/video/24097036) is up online. I caught it during the big game, but have rewatched it a couple of times since. I have to say I think it looks pretty spiffy so far, at least from the thirty seconds we get here. I'm looking forward to it anyway.
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Nice clear shot (http://comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=31179) of the Red Skull, courtesy of Entertainment Weekly.
(http://comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/24466/Captain-America-Red-Skull_510.jpg)
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very cool looking - thanks!
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That's awesome. Very nice practical make-up. Color me impressed.
I guess they're CGing out his nose.
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That is awesome... :)
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Looks pretty good.
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Holy ****. That is the best looking Red Skull ever! Man, I hope this and Thor have some decent plot lines to back up the great eye candy.
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Hugo Weaving looks good as Red Skull.
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Looks like the full trailer (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Dustin03Comics/news/?a=32570) has shown up online, looks pretty sweet I think.
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That actually looks much better than i had anticipated.
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Cap with a gun. Just like the 40's serial. At least he isn't a DA too.
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Nice tie to Iron Man in the preview.
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Please please please dont suck.
I geeked out when Mr Stark was mentioned
Looks awesome
Please please please dont suck.
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It looks like it has the right tone. I think it'll be OK. I like that they're focusing on the origin piece in the trailers rather than the plot... I hate it when trailers give away too much.
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Looks awesome!
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A little better quality version of the trailer (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810026349/video/24643271) is now available.
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It's amazing how far CG has come. The puny body effects (I assume it's a body swap) are just flawless. Absolutely impressive.
It's great seeing Dum Dum Dugan in a few shots. I'm guessing we won't see Nick Fury since he's not 80 in Iron Man.
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I'm guessing we won't see Nick Fury since he's not 80 in Iron Man.
Maybe so, but who's to say Nick Fury didn't take some of the super serum to keep his youthful appearance?
I don't even know if SLJ is signed up or making an appearance in Cap, but if he does appear, at least they have a plausible explanation.
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It's amazing how far CG has come. The puny body effects (I assume it's a body swap) are just flawless. Absolutely impressive.
Agreed.
Usually you can tell if it's CG, but this time around it looks like a 'face' double.
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I don't even know if SLJ is signed up or making an appearance in Cap, but if he does appear, at least they have a plausible explanation.
He was on Jimmy Fallon a while back (February maybe?) and indicated then that he did shoot a one-day cameo thing for Cap and Thor, but he wasn't really sure of the context (in-movie or after-credits) of the final scenes.
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I would expect to see Nick Fury as a flash forward to modern day...possibly on site with a team of SHIELD agents as they are thawing Cap from the iceberg.
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First photo of Captain America in his USO outfit (http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/6/14/first-look-at-captain-america-uso-outfit-low-res.html)
Fan-friggin'-tastic! It's like the Mego doll life-sized! ;D
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Why is he wearing a blue neck brace in that photo? Did someone rear-end him on the way to the show? ::)
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It's SUPPOSED to look cheesy! That's what makes it awesome!
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New trailer:
http://movies.yahoo.com/summer-movies/captain-america-the-first-avenger/1810026349#first (http://movies.yahoo.com/summer-movies/captain-america-the-first-avenger/1810026349#first)
Really looking forward to this, looks pretty good so far I think.
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I've decided not to watch anything else until I see the movie. Too much good stuff already getting spoiled!
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My only gripe on what they have done wrong...they should have released this weekend to coincide with the 4th of July! I realize with Transformers and Cars that is a lot of competition but it would have made a lot of sense.
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My only gripe on what they have done wrong...they should have released this weekend to coincide with the 4th of July! I realize with Transformers and Cars that is a lot of competition but it would have made a lot of sense.
Yeah, I always thought that as well. You can see with the new trailer and poster that they are pushing the "America" angle a little bit more (at least here in the states). I'm sure they would have rather released it for the 4th weekend, but like you said, the competition is pretty steep. I'd hate to see it get crushed at the box office, and it is already opening close (the week after) the final Harry Potter film the way it is. It is too bad TF wasn't earlier/later in the summer, because a Cap 4th of July would have been perfect.
Also, just saw this nifty retro Cap movie poster. I think it came out a week or two ago, but I hadn't seen it until today:
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2011/06/13/captain_america_poster_510.jpg)
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Just saw this clip, with Cap fighting Hydra soldiers, thought it looked pretty sweet. SPOILERS if you don't want to see anything from the movie - but it makes for a pretty nice action sequence I think:
http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/07/14/exclusive-captain-america-clip (http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/07/14/exclusive-captain-america-clip)
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I love that poster. I wasn't sure about this one, but that poster sold me. (sucker...)
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According to this report:
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=41952 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=41952)
It sounds like the first trailer for Avengers will be the "after credits" scene for Cap. They give a brief description at the link above, so if you are interested you can check it out there. Also, SPOILERS because they do describe the final scenes of the Cap movie as well, so you may want to avoid that.
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It's amazing how far CG has come. The puny body effects (I assume it's a body swap) are just flawless. Absolutely impressive.
Think again:
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/brawny-captain-america-saved-skinny-steve-194607211.html
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Even more impressive!
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Just bought my ticket for tonight's midnight show. Looking forward to the movie, looking forward to not being in my sweltering apartment even more.
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Yep. So. It was good. It was as good as Thor but I still think Iron Man 1 was the best origins movie for this set of Avengers.
Evans was good as Captain America and the backstory worked well enough. I thought that once he really turned into CA that they truncated some of the action because they took so long on the build-up and still needed time for the final showdown with the Red Skull at the end.
The movie didn't start or end where I thought it would, that's neither good or bad, just not what I expected. Flowed well for most of it, the story was okay, but maybe lacked a little exposition...that may be something we'll have to wait for the Avengers to get more of.
Over all, glad I went. It was pretty fun and the Avengers trailer at the end kicks ass.
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I was pleasantly surprised by this movie. Cap has never been one of top favorites, and the history of screen (TV or Movie) is so horrible that I had few expectations. It was nicely done and a great way to escape for a few hours.
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I loved it. I was surprised by bow much I enjoyed Thor, but Captain America was even better. Good in a lot of different ways. Probably my favorite Stan Lee cameo as well.
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I saw it yesterday, and loved it as well. I thought it was a really well done movie, and a lot of fun too. I was surprised at how un-Johnny Storm like Chris Evans was too, he made a good Steve Rogers/Cap I thought. The after-credits scene was goosebump worthy as well. Plus, as a bonus, we got to see the Amazing Spidey trailer before the movie too. I know not everyone is as high on that one yet, but the descriptions from the SDCC stuff and everything have me pumped for next summer. Avengers, Spidey, and Dark Knight Rises all in the summer...plus the Hobbit later in the year. Anyways, thought Cap was great....my favorite comic movie of the summer (and I've liked them all, at least to some extent).
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It was pretty fun and the Avengers trailer at the end kicks ass.
Oh snap. I gotta go see this.
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We went last night and saw it in 3D...3D was not my first choice, but it was the "time" we wanted to go.
It was a good fun film that had the same Popcorn appeal as Iron Man.
The "snippet" at the end was definately worth it and I was shocked at the number of people that left during the credits.
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I started reading comic books back in 1984 and really got into it when Secret Wars came out. Captain America was the appointed leader of the heroes and I for some reason fell in love with the guy. I collected the comics until around the time he quit being Cap...but my love for the character always remained. I don't consider myself to be ultra-patriotic or anything so the America part of the whole schtick is a little lost on me but the shield and the uniform and the super athlete and especially the being a good and decent human being part of the schtick has always kept him at the top of my list. Yeah he doesn't have super powers and he's not a mutant and he really doesn't even have a catch phrase but he was my super hero.
I finally saw the movie tonight (IN 2D!) and loved every second of it...I've seen the crappy 70's movie and the half hearted other attempts but this was pure awesomeness. Loved all of the little winks and nods (Zola on the screen at the beginning!) that they threw in there. Absolutely loved Weaving and his Red Skull. I cannot wait for next summer and The Avengers as naturally they were my second comic love being such a huge Cap fan and collecting most of their books at the same time. The trailer was pretty cool but way too short. It is absolutely awesome they were able to pull this off and next year is the big payoff!
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I guess SPOILERS are okay to post, if not - don't read this...
I've never been bonkers over super hero movies, the only one that I've ever really liked was the Batman movie with Jack Nicholson as the Joker. That one is still by far my favorite, but I did want to go see this... I only get to see about one movie per year now in a theater, and this was the one I chose.
Really liked it too - they did a good job establishing his character before he was "transformed" into Captain America. I kind of wish they had shown broader images of some of the battlefields in the war, and had a bit more mentions of the Germans/Nazis in the latter half of the film (I also noticed they seemed to try and conceal the swastikas on the group of three Nazis that Red Skull meets with... which I can understand not wanting to glorify the symbol, but it also took more of the "realism" out of the film that I was hoping for). But I definitely enjoyed the patriotic theme a lot. It makes this super hero a lot more enjoyable for me and relevant.
I did feel that Bucky's character was a bit boring, and a bit too convenient for him to be isolated in the Hydra base from the other prisoners... but I very much liked Hydra in this as well as Red Skull. They also didn't overdo the special effects in this very much at all... the Hydra weapons were of course a little too high tech, but that was fine and I also liked the Stark connection. At first I was afraid they might overdo that, but they pulled it off very well. I also didn't understand exactly why he had to crash the plane, if he could do that, why not drive around in circles for a while and come up with a better plan? Or try and eject? Guess I missed something there.
Overall, I recommend the movie - pretty damn good and my favorite of the Marvel ones that I've seen. Not sure I'll enjoy the Avengers movie, or will even see it. But I did like this, the era it was set in probably has a lot to do with that.
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I started reading comic books back in 1984 and really got into it when Secret Wars came out. Captain America was the appointed leader of the heroes and I for some reason fell in love with the guy. I collected the comics until around the time he quit being Cap...but my love for the character always remained. I don't consider myself to be ultra-patriotic or anything so the America part of the whole schtick is a little lost on me but the shield and the uniform and the super athlete and especially the being a good and decent human being part of the schtick has always kept him at the top of my list. Yeah he doesn't have super powers and he's not a mutant and he really doesn't even have a catch phrase but he was my super hero.
I finally saw the movie tonight (IN 2D!) and loved every second of it...I've seen the crappy 70's movie and the half hearted other attempts but this was pure awesomeness. Loved all of the little winks and nods (Zola on the screen at the beginning!) that they threw in there. Absolutely loved Weaving and his Red Skull. I cannot wait for next summer and The Avengers as naturally they were my second comic love being such a huge Cap fan and collecting most of their books at the same time. The trailer was pretty cool but way too short. It is absolutely awesome they were able to pull this off and next year is the big payoff!
I was looking forward to hearing what our resident Cap fan thought of the movie, glad to hear you liked it! I've been able to get out to all four comic movies this summer, and I think this might have been my favorite of the bunch (although First Class and Thor were both really good too, and GL had its moments). I thought Cap ranked right up there among Marvel's best as well - maybe just below the first Iron Man.
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I saw the movie the other night. First and foremost, I was impressed by how Chris Evans portrayed Steve Rogers. He really captured his decency and selflessness without making it hokey. And even in the parts where his role as Captain America is deliberately hokey, he manages to stay genuine about what he's doing. And his scenes with Stanley Tucci show him holding his own pretty well as an actor.
Hugo Weaving as the Red Skull? Awesome. He really nailed it. Although the whole concept of Red Skull and Cap being the flipside of each other as products of the super soldier serum seemed a little odd.
Some of the action scene montages in the third act seemed a bit rushed. At least that's how I took them. But the fight sequences where Cap has the full combat gear and shield were pretty awesome.
The Howard Stark scenes are pretty good. It was nice to get some more backstory on Howard after we had gotten in Iron Man 2. You begin to understand his role as a founding member of S.H.I.E.L.D. and he completely comes across as a Howard Hughes figure. Although his later recovery of "the gadget" does come across as a but convenient. And is "the gadget" what gives Howard the inspiration for the new element/power source in Iron Man 2? It definitely sounds like fodder for the Avengers movie.
And with that, I liked the Avengers teaser. But it was just cut SO fast that it was tough to really take it in and appreciate it all. But it achieved it's goal: It definitely left me wanting more.
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We just got back from seeing it and loved it! Awesome movie!
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Finally got around to seeing Captain America today. Good stuff, though I wish we got to see more of Red Skull fighting. He was probably the best part. Loved the teaser trailer afterwards too.
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Finally saw this. My only gripe was that it's only showing in 3D now and I don't think for movies I'll ever like that format or find it necessary.
But the movie itself - wow, it was very well done. I think I enjoyed this more than any of the other superhero movies of the recent bunch. It was just an enjoyable movie. :)
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The training parts were awesome, the get the flag and the grenade were great.
I'm rating it up there with ironman in terms of top marvel flicks, better than thor and ironman2, the avengers clip was all sorts of awesome too
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Yeah. This was a good flick. My sons, 5 and 7 even liked it, an it was not too violent for them.
However, as a movie, it doesn't hold a candle to Rise of the Planet of the Apes. That was pure genius.
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So, I apologize if this is too early to discuss, but what does everyone who's seen this think about the possibility of us getting Winter Soldier at some point?
Has there been any discussions of a sequel to Captain America (like they're doing with a sequel to Thor) set in modern day?
I could see them having the sequel centered around Captain America facing off against Winter Soldier - that would be cool.
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There is indeed a plan for a modern-day, post-Avengers sequel. No revelations so far about the plot.
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I also didn't understand exactly why he had to crash the plane, if he could do that, why not drive around in circles for a while and come up with a better plan? Or try and eject? Guess I missed something there.
I don't understand how he got from the French Alps to the Arctic if he was heading for New York.
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You got to freeze him somehow.
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The way the movie started, I could have sworn that the Skull's lair was in Norway. When they said he was in the Alps later in the movie it threw me for a loop.
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I also didn't understand exactly why he had to crash the plane, if he could do that, why not drive around in circles for a while and come up with a better plan? Or try and eject? Guess I missed something there.
I don't understand how he got from the French Alps to the Arctic if he was heading for New York.
Because the fastest way to get from Europe to America would be a polar route.
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I saw Captain America last night. I enjoyed it but would agree liked the IM1 the best of all the Avenger "prequels". I've never been much of a comics guy so I don't really know CAs backstory... but I did like what I saw. I didn't realize that Stark would play such a large role in the movie... that I liked.
The Avengers clip at the end was cut so fast it was really hard to make anything out... I suppose that is what a teaser is supposed to do. I am looking forward to the Avengers for sure.
Now, I need to go back and watch Thor since I missed out on that one earlier in the summer.
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I saw Captain America finally over the weekend. God was that an awesome movie. As good or better than IM1 for sure.
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Cap 2 teaser...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaynOP_Hhmo
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Cap 2 teaser...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaynOP_Hhmo
So now we have teasers for teaser trailers.... Nice... Still anytime we see ScarJo is a good thing.
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Also had a new poster put up yesterday:
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8465/o90g.jpg)
Sounds like the full trailer should hit tomorrow, I'm pretty excited. I really enjoyed the first Cap movie, probably one of my favorites, and I can't wait for the next one.
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Trailer is up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWsK1ZFunA)
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I suspect Robert Redford is the real Cap, unfrozen years ago and the one from Avengers is a clone.
Or not.
I never saw the first movie.
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Trailer is up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWsK1ZFunA)
This looks awesome. I'm just not psyched for Thor 2 for some reason, but this has me jazzed for more Marvel.
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Trailer is up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWsK1ZFunA)
This looks awesome. I'm just not psyched for Thor 2 for some reason, but this has me jazzed for more Marvel.
This does look awesome.
When the first Thor film came out, I wasn't all that motivated to see it, but I was really pleased with what they did, never having been much a fan of the character. I feel kind of the same now with these two features.
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So, doesn't appear to be much Winter in the Winter Soldier movie.
Still looks pretty cool.
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Exclusive new trailer for Captain America! (http://msn.foxsports.com/watch/fox-football-daily/story/captain-america) 8)
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The more footage I see of this movie, the more excited I am for it...just looks amazing. I think the next Spidey looks good as well, and between these two and Guardians of the Galaxy (not to mention X-Men), I've pretty much got all my bases covered for my favorite heroes this year. Looking forward to it.
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A fairly lengthy clip has been posted on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k0kkSHiiPE). And it turns out that another character from the Captain America comics has made his way into the new movie. MMA and UFC fans will instantly know Georges St-Pierre (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2017048/?ref_=nv_sr_4), but may not be completely familiar with the character he's playing.
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As stoked as I was for the first one, this one looks even better, one of the first comics I ever bought was Captain America #303
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070925075050/marveldatabase/images/thumb/7/7e/Captain_America_Vol_1_303.jpg/300px-Captain_America_Vol_1_303.jpg)
While I don't think of Batroc as one of the bigger Cap enemies, he's in the lore. I just want to know where Red Skull is going to pop up again
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I just want to know where Red Skull is going to pop up again
I saw a rumor floating around that pertains to the Red Skull. I personally think that it may have just been fanboy theorizing, but one such theory put forth that Robert Redford's character, Alexander Pearce, is actually the Red Skull in disguise. However I think the theory is flawed since it seemed to be linked to the inclusion of the Red Skull in the action figure line.
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That clip is great. Is it weird that I want Black Widow to kick my ass?
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Is it weird that I want Black Widow to kick my ass?
Not at all. I've had that thought several times myself...
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That clip is great. Is it weird that I want Black Widow to kick my ass?
It would be kind of weird if you didn't.
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The straight hair is awesome.
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As stoked as I was for the first one, this one looks even better, one of the first comics I ever bought was Captain America #303
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070925075050/marveldatabase/images/thumb/7/7e/Captain_America_Vol_1_303.jpg/300px-Captain_America_Vol_1_303.jpg)
While I don't think of Batroc as one of the bigger Cap enemies, he's in the lore. I just want to know where Red Skull is going to pop up again
Wow. That cover totally looks like some of John Byrne's work. That really brings me back! Then again, so does the partnership between Cap and Falcon, since the first Captain America comic book I ever got had him and Falcon partnered up and working for SHIELD.
The clip is pretty awesome. It's cool to see how the movies continue to build up SHIELD. The clips seem to make it seem like it's become a legit government agency. And the inclusion of some familiar faces like Agent Sitwell who was also in Thor and Avengers provides a nice sense of continuity. The lead agent from the Quinjet is evidently the guy who goes on to become Crossbones.
Other things? Who's under the sheet is clearly a big question. And the different shield that cap is carrying seems to be a point of curiosity. I continue to think that this new shield is going to have something to do with the building materials for Ultron, especially since the word is that this is the film that leads directly to the events of Avengers - Age of Ultron.
Oh, and ScarJo?!?! DAMN! Just to be the guy she takes out with the Widow sting would be phenomenal.
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Saw Cap 2 last night. Far and away the best Marvel/Avengers movie. Tied, if not slightly ahead of TDK for my favorite comic movie. The action is practically nonstop, the fighting (choreography/style) is so well done it will be tough to improve upon. And if you like military firepower (weapons/explosions/tactics) this is as good as any spy thriller/espionage out there. The 3D was well utilized and didn't feel forced - I'll see it a couple more times in theaters for sure.
The post credit scenes were great, too.
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Saw Cap 2 last night. Far and away the best Marvel/Avengers movie. Tied, if not slightly ahead of TDK for my favorite comic movie. The action is practically nonstop, the fighting (choreography/style) is so well done it will be tough to improve upon. And if you like military firepower (weapons/explosions/tactics) this is as good as any spy thriller/espionage out there. The 3D was well utilized and didn't feel forced - I'll see it a couple more times in theaters for sure.
The post credit scenes were great, too.
I didn't see it in 3D - but I agree with everything that Jayson said - definitely the best Marvel/Avengers movie they've done. The way they handled Falcon was fantastic - I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of him in future Marvel movies.
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Saw Cap 2 this morning. It's too early for me to place it among the rest of the MCU but it will definitely be up there. It was just as exciting as the first Cap and Iron Man movies, but I don't know if I would say it was better than The Avengers. Much better than Iron Man 2, 3 and both Thor movies though, IMO.
LOVED the cameos and all of the obscure references to other characters who are probably going to be getting their own movies soon. I even knew about the swerves thanks to some articles about the merchandise spoiling them, but they still hooked me enough that I was shocked. And I suddenly feel like watching Revenge to see more of Emily VanCamp.
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Nice...I'm headed to the late 3D show in about 30 minutes. Good to hear it does not disappoint.
Curious if there will be tie-ins with the current SHIELD series as well, or hows those timelines overlap.
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this past Tues. episode tied right into Cap 2
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I saw it yesterday in IMAX 3D. Awesome movie! The end credits scenes were excellent as well!
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I thought it was very enjoyable, plenty of action and lots of good SHIELD scoop. Some of the finer details in the plot seemed a little confusing, but that would probably clear up with subsequent viewings.
What was the signifigance of the cute girl next door that never really developed into anything? Is she a relevant character from the comics? Or some superhero-in-waiting?
Other thing I kept wondering was, with all this major SHIELD stuff going down, shouldn't Hawkeye have made an appearance at some point? Or at least been mentioned in passing? He seems like more of a company guy than Thor, Hulk, or Iron Man.
Very curious to see how they address this on the show. They pretty much wrecked the Triskellion...and what about that squirrely dude in the glasses? He has been a recurring guest on the show a few times. I guess he is Hydra, but not the Clairvoyant? But the woman who I guess IS the Clairvoyant, is she Hydra too? Ugh, too confusing!
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Saw it this afternoon, and loved it. I agree with others who place it among the top of the MCU list, if not the top. One of my favorites for sure, and I can't wait to see it again. Non-stop action, a great story, and the cast was good all around I thought. Just, so good. Won't get spoilery here, but it definitely does change things up for the Marvel Universe, both movie and television.
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10 out of 10 'nuff said
Loved the Pulp Fiction Easter Egg at the end
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Saw Cap 2 this afternoon. Holy kak! fricke'n awesome & it had a ton of easter eggs in it. Also picked up the Captain America exclusive theater action figure, had to get it. :-*
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/DSJcdn/Anaheim/Cap2_zps53c5c6d2.jpg)
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What? Is this sold in the theater??? Which ones?
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This movie was really, REALLY awesome. If there was one nit to pick, I'd say it would be that with all this crap going down (particularly when the helicarriers take off and start shooting), Stark was conspicuous by his absence. If this were the comics, there would likely be an asterisk with a note saying "This takes place at the same time as IM3" which would explain it. They just need to do a tiny bit more in tying in the chronology.
This completely changes the AoS series. Can't wait to see how they develop that. The tie-ins there were pretty cool. Cap and Falcon had good chemistry.
Stephen Strange? Awesome.
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What? Is this sold in the theater??? Which ones?
Odeon theater Canadian exclusive. $20. It's has no articulation, just solid plastic. Theaters around the globe had various exclusives, drink coasters, 3D glasses sets etc... When I got my popcorn & such, I picked up a drink cup with 2 toppers Cpt. America with shield & grabbed the shield topper key chain.
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What? Is this sold in the theater??? Which ones?
Odeon theater Canadian exclusive. $20. It's has no articulation, just solid plastic. Theaters around the globe had various exclusives, drink coasters, 3D glasses sets etc... When I got my popcorn & such, I picked up a drink cup with 2 toppers Cpt. America with shield & grabbed the shield topper key chain.
Thanks. My OCD classifies non articulated figures as statues, giving me the freedom to breath easy again. ;)
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Saw it today. Was pretty intense and cool. Wow! There are a few things I'm going to have to look up since I'm not familiar with the comics.
Best line: "Shall we play a game?"
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Caught the movie last night. I really liked the first Captain America, but I have to say that this one was really good! It had such a different tone from the first movie, but I think it works since the new film is set in modern times.
Cap still seems like a man out of time. The music coming from his apartment said that instantly. And his references definitely say that clearly too, although he seems very much like he's working to get himself caught up on everything he's missed. The fact that he's keeping a list is a nod to his earnestness.
His working relationship with the Black Widow has been interesting. Clearly, there are trust issues between the two of them. But I think the story arc definitely works toward building the trust between the two of them. And I think that comes about most when Widow exposes herself and her past to the whole world.
Truth be told, I was actually expecting something different from Falcon. For some reason I thought that his backstory was going to be similar to Black Widow and Hawkeye, and that he was another SHIELD agent. It was actually a little refreshing to see that this wasn't the case. And I think he and Cap developed a good friendship based on their shared experience as veterans.
Fury was finally able to show just how much of a badass he is. The chase through DC was great, as were the fight sequences. And he was able to show that he is the master spy in the process. It's only been hinted at before, but here we finally got to see him in action.
Some of the villain appearances were awesome. GSP as Batroc was actually pretty awesome. And his fight with Cap was better than I thought it was going to be. Brock Rumlow as a SHIELD strike agent was a nice nod to the comics. There were really only hints at him and his future, but very cool ones. And the way that Arnim Zola was realized was very cool. I knew a little bit about his comic character and I think the way he was captured for this film was great. It built on the story from the first film and also tied in with how history played out after WWII. And then the twist that Zola was part of a Hydra infiltration into SHIELD that was 70 years in the making? WHOA.
The museum exhibit was a nice nod to Cap's past, but it had to be very odd for him to actually see it. I understood why he went though, because it was something that could help him remember and honor his friends. But it also showed his vulnerability and loyalty to his friend, and that wound up being a weakness for him as he fought Bucky/Winter Soldier. The fact that his fight with the Winter Soldier remained unresolved was great. And I'm interested to see where the story continues to go.
One of the things I liked most of all about the movie is that the plot was topical. The whole thing really revolved around the concepts of personal privacy and freedoms that are playing out in the political arena right now.
As for the stinger scenes? Wow. Baron Von Strucker?!?!?! I think they nailed him, right down to the monocle. And his captives? It's nice to get that first glimpse of Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch.
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Forgot to mention: one of my favorite things was the rogues' gallery they cast as the "World Council":
Evil Widmore from LOST
The Indian dude from the subway station in The Matrix
The hot chick from American Werewolf in London
Well played!
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Don't forget Lau from The Dark Knight!
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Forgot to mention: one of my favorite things was the rogues' gallery they cast as the "World Council":
Evil Widmore from LOST
The Indian dude from the subway station in The Matrix
The hot chick from American Werewolf in London
Well played!
Actually Jenny Agutter was a member of the World Security Council in Avengers as well - so it was nice to see that level of continuity.
What I was wondering is whether or not the "in shadows" council member played by Powers Boothe in Avengers - was that supposed to be the character that eventually became Alexander Pierce (Robert Redford) in CA2? Or a totally different character? And if a different character, he seemed to be the head of the council in Avengers, why was he replaced?
The other two guys could easily be re-casts of the similar council members from Avengers (just look at the cast lists in IMDB and you'll see what I mean).
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I'd guess the council members change regularly, like the UN.
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Forgot to mention: one of my favorite things was the rogues' gallery they cast as the "World Council":
Evil Widmore from LOST
The Indian dude from the subway station in The Matrix
The hot chick from American Werewolf in London
Well played!
Not only those but the Asian guy was the mob accountant from The Dark Knight
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Falcon replacing Steve Rogers as Captain America (http://theweek.com/article/index/264868/speedreads-marvel-comics-announces-black-character-as-the-new-captain-america)
Hey kids, remember this one? So, it sort of seems like 1985 all over again...is Marvel worried about some of the lawsuits out there (http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/marvel-jack-kirby-rights-lawsuit-supreme-court-decision-near/) about rights (similar to what I heard happened back then...Black Suit Spider Man, The Captain, She Hulk in Fantastic Four, Rhodes as Iron Man) I can't stand a lot of comics crap which is why I don't read them. I also think a lot of this crap is playing a lot more into future movie plot lines than maybe I think it should.
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Cap's black, and now Thor's a woman (http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/264746/speedreads-marvels-new-thor-will-be-a-woman). I honestly haven't enjoyed Marvel comics as much the last few years, so this is looking like a great stepping off point for me. Utterly ridiculous that Marvel feels the need to pull stunts like this in place of anything remotely resembling character development.
I actually loved a lot of the 80s stories, so have kept my subs going in the hopes of reconnecting with some of those great memories. Billionaire Tony Stark defeating so many enemies only to slowly fall victim to the bottle, then rebuild his life and reclaim his armor? Brilliant. The original Secret Wars? The Infinity Gauntlet? Thor getting wounded and growing a beard? Symbiote Spiderman/Venom? These were classic character driven stories. Marvel's shifted the players and copied some of the circumstances, but without any of the life or meaning behind them. What a shame.
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A number of these things do seem like blatant marketing gimmicks. But then the landscape for SO MUCH media has changed over the last 10 years. It is so difficult to grab the attention of an audience, let alone maintain it. I think Marvel is proactively trying to engage the audience with these changes. They've done big things like this before, like when they launched the Ultimates Universe. And you know what? The Thor news was such a big deal that it made the papers and major news casts. I think the marketing execs would take that as a WIN in their book.
And comics fans are well aware that this isn't the first time we've seen Marvel do things like this with their iconic characters. Steve Rogers has handed off the Cap mantle before. I remember when he got fired as Captain America, and was replaced by the guy who would later become the US Agent. Then there was the assassination of Cap, too. Plus, the powers of Thor have been passed on to Beta Ray Bill, as well as the Thor Frog before. So why not a woman now? Those things alone show us that the characters aren't necessarily sacred even to Marvel. And at some point they'll probably come around with the re-birth or re-launch of the classic character as everyone knows them.
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Cap's black, and now Thor's a woman (http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/264746/speedreads-marvels-new-thor-will-be-a-woman). I honestly haven't enjoyed Marvel comics as much the last few years, so this is looking like a great stepping off point for me. Utterly ridiculous that Marvel feels the need to pull stunts like this in place of anything remotely resembling character development.
I actually loved a lot of the 80s stories, so have kept my subs going in the hopes of reconnecting with some of those great memories. Billionaire Tony Stark defeating so many enemies only to slowly fall victim to the bottle, then rebuild his life and reclaim his armor? Brilliant. The original Secret Wars? The Infinity Gauntlet? Thor getting wounded and growing a beard? Symbiote Spiderman/Venom? These were classic character driven stories. Marvel's shifted the players and copied some of the circumstances, but without any of the life or meaning behind them. What a shame.
I would call the Thor thing a stunt. The Captain America is just a retread of what they have done in the past. They already did it with Bucky. This time they just seem to be ripping off the Batman Beyond thing, but using an established character instead of a new one. Falcon becomes Cap and Cap sits in the "batcave" and helps Falcon over the headset.
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What amazes me is stuff like this gets play in the press at all. I don't remember hearing about Beta Ray Bill on the evening news back in the day. I wonder if it's the PR hand of Disney, or because geek culture is dominant these days.
There's no doubt both these moves are temporary. Just like Cap's death. Just like Superior Spider-Man. Just like each replacement Cap, Thor and Iron Man. So I don't understand why it's such a big deal.
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It's got to be because the Marvel Cinematic Universe has brought this all into the mainstream since the movies have been wildly successful. The new issue of EW has an Avengers - Age of Ultron cover story, and that movie doesn't come out for another 10 months! That article touted the box office for the MCU as being somewhere in the neighborhood of $6 billion. So while Marvel Comics may go in different directions story-wise, news about those characters that are part of the MCU can mean big business.
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Rumor has it that Captain America 3 will include an appearance from Hawkeye (http://www.latestnewsexplorer.com/hawkeye-might-appear-in-ca-3/). Nothing definitive yet, as the Russo brothers are still working up the script for the next installment.
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Minor spoiler that'll be spoiled with the first trailer...
Iron Man joining Cap 3 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/69113)
Everyone's saying Cap3 =Civil War now. And I gotta say that pleases me a whole lot more than Cap3 = Fallen Son. I don't think temporary death will translate well to the movie-verse, even as a tool to swap actors.
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I'm not really familiar with the storyline, but am happy to hear that there will be a very familiar MCU character in the movie along with Cap.
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In the comics, the government required people with superpowers to register. Half the heroes were in favor. Half were opposed. And they battled across various books. This was the arc where Spidey took off his mask.
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I seriously wish that all the Marvel Universe characters were in the same movie studios. I know it will never happen, but I would love to see Spidey and the X-Men together with the Avengers...
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I seriously wish that all the Marvel Universe characters were in the same movie studios. I know it will never happen, but I would love to see Spidey and the X-Men together with the Avengers...
There's actually rumors going around that Sony and Marvel are trying to work out a deal to get Spidey in the MCU.
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In the comics, the government required people with superpowers to register. Half the heroes were in favor. Half were opposed. And they battled across various books. This was the arc where Spidey took off his mask.
Heh, this would be the shortest movie ever then. Everybody knows Tony Stark is Iron Man, Captain America has his own Smithsonian exhibit, and didn't Black Widow release all of SHIELD's information online?
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In the comics, the government required people with superpowers to register. Half the heroes were in favor. Half were opposed. And they battled across various books. This was the arc where Spidey took off his mask.
Heh, this would be the shortest movie ever then. Everybody knows Tony Stark is Iron Man, Captain America has his own Smithsonian exhibit, and didn't Black Widow release all of SHIELD's information online?
I thought the exact same thing. However, it does play into the themes of personal freedom that were the core of CA:TWS.
This also make the idea of Spidey appearing in the MCU make more sense.
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Yeah, in a world without secret identities, the focus of Civil War would need to change quite a bit. Not just registration, but submission to government monitoring or something.
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I didn't read the Civil War series, but I understand the gyst of it. Still,in the MCU, secret identities seem to have gotten thrown out the window. Thor seems to be Thor all the time. Cap's identity isn't secret and he hasn't really made a point of keeping the mask on at all times. Tony Stark made his own public declaration at the end of the first Iron Man. And Black Widow was outed publically at the end of "Winter Soldier".
I can see that there's the potential for the US government to want to get these super powered individuals under their control. It looks like the first bits of that are already beginning to play out on Agents of SHIELD with the conflict between SHIELD and General Talbot's unit. Factions like Talbot's within the military seem to be seeking to fill the void left by the destruction of SHIELD as an organization.
The thing is... I don't know if I can see either Cap or Iron Man in the MCU taking sides against one another. Their relationship has certainly been tense, but seems to have grown. And both of them have encountered government forces in MCU films that would leave them skeptical about some sort of government registration. But then we do have the events of Avengers - Age of Ultron set to take place, and no doubt that's going to shape the big picture storyline heading into Captain America 3.
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Some casting news for Captain America - Civil War. Marvel announced that Martin Freeman has been added to the cast (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24562/martin_freeman_joins_marvels_captain_america_civil_war) in an undisclosed role. And this TIME article (http://time.com/3847673/martin-freeman-captain-america/) lists other cast members who currently include:
Chris Evans as Steve Rogers / Captain America
Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark / Iron Man
Scarlett Johansson as Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow
Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson / Falcon
Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes / Winter Soldier
Frank Grillo as Brock Rumloe / Crossbones
Daniel Bruhl as Baron Zemo
Jeremy Renner as Clint Barton / Hawkeye
Elizabeth Olsen as Wanda Maximoff / Scarlet Witch
Chadwick Boseman as T'challa / Black Panther
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Pretty full movie. Hope we get out introduction to Spider-Man as well.
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Some casting news for Captain America - Civil War. Marvel announced that Martin Freeman has been added to the cast (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24562/martin_freeman_joins_marvels_captain_america_civil_war) in an undisclosed role. And this TIME article (http://time.com/3847673/martin-freeman-captain-america/) lists other cast members who currently include:
Chris Evans as Steve Rogers / Captain America
Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark / Iron Man
Scarlett Johansson as Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow
Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson / Falcon
Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes / Winter Soldier
Frank Grillo as Brock Rumloe / Crossbones
Daniel Bruhl as Baron Zemo
Jeremy Renner as Clint Barton / Hawkeye
Elizabeth Olsen as Wanda Maximoff / Scarlet Witch
Chadwick Boseman as T'challa / Black Panther
Sounds a lot more like "Avengers" than Captain America. I know these movies tend to have guest appearances from others, but that's a pretty big cast of heroes already. I wonder how big a role Iron Man will play? He had pretty much equal billing with Cap in the comic storyline.
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Marvel announced that Martin Freeman has been added to the cast (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24562/martin_freeman_joins_marvels_captain_america_civil_war) in an undisclosed role.
Hmmm... does Dr. Strange need a sidekick? :D
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I don't think Freeman would make a good Wong.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/00/Drstrange.jpg/250px-Drstrange.jpg)
He might make a good Baron Mordo.
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Pretty sure he will be playing the role of Black Goliath. Here's a sneak peak from the set.
(https://www.figurerealm.com/userimages/customs/40000/39761-3.jpg)
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Photos have leaked of the Black Panther (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/471199-first-look-at-black-panther-in-new-captain-america-civil-war-set-photos#/slide/1) from the set of Captain America - Civil War in Berlin, Germany. Also on hand? Chris Evans in his Cap uniform and Sebastian Stan.
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Oh snap!
Captain America: Civil War - Trailer World Premiere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdV-lxRPFo)
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(http://i.imgur.com/XuUS3NB.jpg)
:D
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Awesome trailer. Looking forward to that one. :)
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Oh snap!
Captain America: Civil War - Trailer World Premiere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdV-lxRPFo)
I hope I'm not getting worn out on Avengers, but most of that trailer did nothing for me. I like the Iron Man vs. Cap and hope it doesn't take long to get to that. Otherwise it was just a lot of Cap and Bucky running left or right. The sides didn't look very even to me either. I hope this ends up being more of a 50-50 break across the known heroes like they ran it in the comics vs. pretty much all of the heroes vs. the government. That's the X-Men's schtick.
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Will William Hurt go all Red Hulk on us?
Will Nicholas Cage as Ghost Rider show up in the end credits zinger?
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No. No.
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Reactions from Guardians of the Galaxy's James Gunn to his viewing of Civil War:
I saw Civil War and I think it's incredible. It's one of the best Marvel movies ever, and I can't believe what a wonderful job the Russo brothers did. And the cast. Oh my God, they're so good. So it's an amazing film and people are going to be really excited to see that come summertime.
I'm trying to think about what is cool to say or not. But I will say this one thing. Tom Holland [Spider-Man] is […] off-the-charts awesome. Off. The. Charts. Awesome. Off the charts. Truly. Hand to my heart, he's amazing.
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/40624/james-gunn-sees-raves-about-civil-war
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Captain America: The Winter Soldier is the first movie I saw more than once in a day in the theaters.
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New Civil War Trailer Reveals Spider-Man (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKrVegVI0Us)
Just in case you were sick of seeing the old trailer before TFA
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Holy crap...can Marvel start making DC movies? Please?
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Welcome home, Spidey.
Now if they can just get the ******* Fantastic Four (more so for Doom and Galactus), then we'll be all set (I know the X-men in the MCU is never happening, but I would have loved to see Jackman with Downey and the gang)
Holy crap...can Marvel start making DC movies? Please?
No ****. I liked (didn't love) MoS and I'm hearing BvS is more of the same, so I'm not expecting to be blown away.
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Awesome.
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"UNDEROO'S" ;D
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That looks fantastic! But I'm left wondering how the tag scene from the end of Avengers - Age of Ultron with Cap, Falcon and the Winter Soldier plays into this story. Or are the scenes of the Winter Soldier being in cold storage in Russia just some sort of flashback?
As a whole, I have to admit to being WRONG, SO WRONG about Chris Evans as Captain America. I was SOOOOOOO skeptical about him playing this role, especially after that second FF movie where he played Johnny Storm. I didn't think he was going to be capable of creating a distinct Captain America character. But my oh my, was I wrong! Chris Evans was able to craft such a different character, fleshing out Steve Rogers as this incredibly decent and bright guy who wanted to do the right thing. And he exuded this humility while being this amazing fighter and a great leader.
I know a lot of people have sung the praises of Robert Downey Jr. for getting the ball rolling in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But as the Iron Man story arc has moved forward, his stories have gotten a little more difficult to digest. But the Cap stories have been growing in their depth, intrigue and emotional content. Because of that I think I'm looking forward to this movie a great deal, even though I never read the Civil War comic series. Now, maybe some of this is by design. Tony Stark's narcissism is enough to drive any person away. He has his redeeming moments, but Tony's ego and the notion that he knows best gets in the way of him being a truly decent person. I guess both IM3 and A-AoU cast some doubt on Tony Stark's altruistic nature. That, and I think the Russo brothers put together a better film in Captain America - The Winter Soldier, and have likely done so again with Civil War.
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Cap has been my favorite Superhero since I first started reading comics...I know where this is going and I think making Bucky or Falcon "Captain America" sucks ass because as Nick says Evans has nailed Rogers and nobody else can ever be Cap. God, I hate modern comics. Who are they killing off this year?
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Hell, I think the casting with the exception of possibly one or two minor missteps, has been awesome for Marvel. I am more excited to see Civil War that any other movie this year without Star Wars in the title!
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God, I hate modern comics. Who are they killing off this year?
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Doesn't matter, Marvel or DC, it seems every year your favorite character is either a) dead or b) being rebooted. ::)
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I know a lot of people have sung the praises of Robert Downey Jr. for getting the ball rolling in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But as the Iron Man story arc has moved forward, his stories have gotten a little more difficult to digest. But the Cap stories have been growing in their depth, intrigue and emotional content. Because of that I think I'm looking forward to this movie a great deal, even though I never read the Civil War comic series. Now, maybe some of this is by design. Tony Stark's narcissism is enough to drive any person away. He has his redeeming moments, but Tony's ego and the notion that he knows best gets in the way of him being a truly decent person. I guess both IM3 and A-AoU cast some doubt on Tony Stark's altruistic nature. That, and I think the Russo brothers put together a better film in Captain America - The Winter Soldier, and have likely done so again with Civil War.
Iron Man has always been my favorite super hero. He was one of the first titles I started reading as a kid. His battle with alcoholism and subsequent fall from grace (in the comics) has a strong personal meaning for me and helped me through some rough times in my life. I really like what Marvel has done with the entire cast, but Downey is the most spot on with his portrayal of Stark IMO. Of course Stark is a narcissist. He's ten times smarter than anyone else, a billionaire, a playboy, a super hero. I think he's the most realistic of all the Avengers in actually showing the flaws that come along with all that success. He has a panic attack in IM3 because aliens have just attacked New York. That's a lot more realistic than everyone else's reaction. He is the first to see that bigger threats are on the way and the Avengers won't be enough to stop it, so he builds tons of different suits and eventually Ultron. His heart's in the right place - he is trying to protect people and can't count on others to see the dangers he perceives. The problem is that these individual successes continuously get in the way of his ability to trust others and collaborate on the best course of action. He is simultaneously the best and worst team mate you could ask for.
As for Civil war, Stark has probably had a reality check following all of the destruction he has been part of. The government wants to license and somewhat control the Avengers actions versus allowing them to do their own thing. You know, like vigilantes. Makes sense given all the destruction and death that the Avengers have been a part of. Our own government is constantly criticized for the way they handle pretty much anything, so its easy to see how public opinion would rise in favor of some kind of control over super humans. Despite his independent nature, Stark upholds the notion that the government can best determine the right course of actions for the Avengers. Cap, despite his fierce patriotism, decides that the heroes should be free to make their own decisions. It's a great storyline in that both of these guys are over correcting for what they see as failures in the system. And the fact that you can justify the actions of either side in this confrontation.
For me it comes down to your belief system. Are you willing to surrender some of your individual freedoms to better ensure the safety of everyone or do you value your freedom enough to fight against the laws and regulations that put it at risk. If you don't mind the government tapping phones to look for tips on terrorists, you're probably in Iron Man's camp. If you think a guy on the street should be able to shoot a mugger or bank robber, then you're probably in Cap's camp. Most people probably fall somewhere in between, which is why this is such a fun, but emotional storyline.
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It'll be interesting to see how they adapt the comics to film. My main problem with Tony agreeing to be controlled is that he knows that Hydra pretty much controlled the whole government just two movies ago. The World Council. Everything. So that's who he wants to put in charge of the Avengers?
And each of those big destructive events - what would have been the outcome had the Avengers not acted independently? New York City nuked & the world conquered by aliens. Every special/consequential human on earth executed. And total global extinction.
So it just seems there has to be a breach in logic to go along with the "we caused this destruction" argument.
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Okay, maybe I'm the only one but I don't get it...
Why not just put Hulk in there and call it Avenger 3?
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I like how they're trying to tie General Ross into the mix. His presentation to the Avengers about the New York incident, the fall of SHIELD and the Triskelion are a big deal. But I think the topper for that meeting was the Ultron/Sokovia incident. I can see Ross being really hot about that since Ultron was the creation of both Banner and Stark. And I get the sense that the government wants to hold both of them responsible for the creation of Ultron which led directly to the Sokovia incident. I think it is precisely because of that particular incident and it's causality that leads Tony Stark to play ball with the government regarding the registration and control of super-human activities.
And there are rumors that Hulk may very well be in the mix.
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Okay, maybe I'm the only one but I don't get it...
Why not just put Hulk in there and call it Avenger 3?
Because contracts. ;)
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I haven't read the comics either, even tho I've heard that someone dies, but I wonder after all the fighting each other how do you even team up again as Avengers how do you be 'friends' again? I can't wait to see the movie but I'm interested in how the post Civil War plays out.
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And I get the sense that the government wants to hold both of them responsible for the creation of Ultron which led directly to the Sokovia incident. I think it is precisely because of that particular incident and it's causality that leads Tony Stark to play ball with the government regarding the registration and control of super-human activities.
OK, I'll buy that.
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I haven't read the comics either, even tho I've heard that someone dies, but I wonder after all the fighting each other how do you even team up again as Avengers how do you be 'friends' again?
He's called Thanos. 8)
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It'll be interesting to see how they adapt the comics to film. My main problem with Tony agreeing to be controlled is that he knows that Hydra pretty much controlled the whole government just two movies ago. The World Council. Everything. So that's who he wants to put in charge of the Avengers?
And each of those big destructive events - what would have been the outcome had the Avengers not acted independently? New York City nuked & the world conquered by aliens. Every special/consequential human on earth executed. And total global extinction.
So it just seems there has to be a breach in logic to go along with the "we caused this destruction" argument.
There is a world of difference between saying "You are a superhero, you need to register with the United States, be properly trained, and may be called into service when we need you" versus "Do anything I say because I'm the government." I think Tony's side is attempting to obey the law, but would be watchful of anything that didn't fit with humane, ethical decisions. Think of it more like a draft - the world could be called into a war with aliens or Asgardians or evil robots or whatever. They can't fight that with conventional weapons, so they want the super hero community available to help as needed versus just hoping they show up. The government might even have better intelligence to help the Avengers pursue common interests. If they really thought there was any chance Hydra or something other nefarious group was still calling the shots, I think both Steve and Tony's teams would be trying to root out the bad guys. As for previous destructive events, I think the government would argue that a registered, coordinated force of super powered people might have been able to better defend against those threats and maybe even prevent them all together. Fewer deaths in New York, better ability to have infiltrated and shut down Hydra, no Ultron battle in the first place because they'd have oversight to Tony's defense plan.
I haven't read the comics either, even tho I've heard that someone dies, but I wonder after all the fighting each other how do you even team up again as Avengers how do you be 'friends' again? I can't wait to see the movie but I'm interested in how the post Civil War plays out.
The comic is really good, with some great battle scenes and ethical debates. There are obviously way more heroes involved in the battles and Spiderman plays a pretty pivotal role. Looks to me like Black Widow will be a bigger factor this time around. Without giving to much away, it is eventually discovered that a third party was helping orchestrate the civil war, and nothing brings people back together like a common enemy. Thor helps them reconcile, as does time. Like always, the movie version will change some things around. They don't have the time to rebuild relationships in little 2 hour spans. Far easier to just dispose of the characters...Its definitely possible that we see someone else in the armor or carrying the shield after this movie.
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Seems like the number one sort of highlight from the new trailer for Captain America: Civil War is the appearance by Spider-Man.
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I personally liked seeing Ant-Man riding Hawkeye's arrow and running up Iron Man's arm. It looked like he was about to get a pretty good shot in on Stark!
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I personally liked seeing Ant-Man riding Hawkeye's arrow and running up Iron Man's arm. It looked like he was about to get a pretty good shot in on Stark!
Ditto. That Ant-Man riding Hawk's arrow is a classic move from the comics.
(http://www.geekgirlauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/hawkeyeiconic31-e1433974525665.jpg)
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So excited for this. The movie itself looks great, but Spidey joining the MCU is the cherry on top. Sort of enjoying having the one two punch of Star Wars at Christmas and Marvel in the summer every year.
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Just saw a number of tweets from people who went to a press screening of Civil War. Most of them seem to have been overwhelmingly positive (http://collider.com/captain-america-civil-war-reviews/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social).
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This is just great! (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtJkDqZzoOFYbqwOIFn2Lng) Marvel Studios launched their own mock cable news channel to debate the issues at the heart of the story of Civil War. They've got one actress to reprise her reporter role from Iron Man and Iron Man 2 for these spots, in addition to Daily Show veteran Al Madrigal. And these videos have been getting produced and released for months with mock news stories that revolve around MCU characters.
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Could you provide a link; this ones not working, Nick. Thanks.
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Just saw a number of tweets from people who went to a press screening of Civil War. Most of them seem to have been overwhelmingly positive (http://collider.com/captain-america-civil-war-reviews/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social).
Talked to a guy at a party on Saturday who saw an early viewing and he claims it is the best of the Marvel movies yet. Getting more psyched by the day...
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Could you provide a link; this ones not working, Nick. Thanks.
Fixed the link. Try it now.
BTW, I saw one of the LEGO sets for this movie. And it features a GIANT spoiler!
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Could you provide a link; this ones not working, Nick. Thanks.
Fixed the link. Try it now.
BTW, I saw one of the LEGO sets for this movie. And it features a GIANT spoiler!
Was it a giant mechanical spider that was suppose to be in Nichols Cage Superman movie? Hollywood seems to love big CG spiders.
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If you didn't pick up on "Marvel" and "GIANT", I'm just not going to spoon feed it to you.
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If you didn't pick up on "Marvel" and "GIANT", I'm just not going to spoon feed it to you.
That set has been out for a while. I wouldn't say it's a huge spoiler given how another Marvel movie ended. Cool that they are going this route though and I like the set.
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Thanks for fixing the link. Fun stuff!
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Thanks for fixing the link. Fun stuff!
They also launched their own WHIH Twitter account (https://twitter.com/WHIHOfficial). It's some good stuff!
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Civil War is 11/10 (not a typo). One of the best superhero movies ever, and I'd say the best Marvel Studios film to date.
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So pumped, going today after the kiddo gets out of school. Without spoiling anything, is there one or two after credits clips? Just curious if there was something all the way at the end or not since we have somewhere to be right after the movie. Thanks. TeamCap
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So pumped, going today after the kiddo gets out of school. Without spoiling anything, is there one or two after credits clips? Just curious if there was something all the way at the end or not since we have somewhere to be right after the movie. Thanks. TeamCap
I heard that you should stay to the very end from someone who saw it a few weeks ago. We're not going until tomorrow - have a great time!
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7pm tonight, baby!
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Sitting in the credits now...
Edit: There are two after credit scenes. First one is cool, the end one is okay, so if you miss the last one, you won't be devastated.
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Weird sentence:
How hot is Aunt May?
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Weird sentence:
How hot is Aunt May?
I know, right? I'm not a fan of any of the post-Raimi Spider Man stuff, but if you're going to reimagine something, you could do a lot worse than Marisa Tomei. :)
I saw it last night with one other couple in the entire theatre, who were well behaved, so it was a pleasant way to kill 3 hours. Liked it a lot, they continue to crank out winners in this franchise, and with the MU stuff in general. Wasn't totally blown away really, I guess I kept feeling they eventually they would get down to figuring things out so ther was less sense of tension for me than doomsday scenario type stuff, but that stuff is probably overdone anyway. Sort of felt like ESB to me in a lot of ways, a strong standalone effort that still feels like a bridge between larger stories. Funny they referenced that even.
They absolutely nailed the Black Panther too, in every respect IMO. The actor, the way he spoke and carried himself, even the faithfully interpreted outfit. Spot on perfect. Major props for that. That's a character near and dear to my heart having debuted in FF.
Curious to see if they try to start registering Inhumans next week on Agents of SHIELD.
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Saw it tonight. The airport battle might be the coolest fight in recent movie history, and definitely in comic history. The casting was perfect, and even though there were 3984655672 characters, they all had their place and felt important.
Some good moments off the top of my head:
- Falcon and Bucky in the Beetle, and the nod of approval
- ESB being a "super old movie" (although Pete should know better than "ice planet")
- Black Panther in general
- Tony macking on Aunt May
- Tony Stank
- Ant Man trying to tear apart the IM suit and then tossing a mini fuel truck
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I went to see this over the weekend and still can't wrap my head around how good it is. Highlights for me:
- The action scenes are always amazing, but the stuff cap does with his shield right out of the gate and the way the knock each other around was insanely cool. Straight out of a comic book.
- The airport fight scene is amazingly done, bouncing from one fight to the next all at once. I don't know how they perfectly timed all of that.
- The rationale for the fighting was far superior to what we got with Bats vs. Supes. There was just enough debate and discussion between the characters to effectively support both sides of the issue and it felt like a slow build they were trying to avoid versus just jumping into the fray. I still don't know which side is "right."
- Marvel continues to master the comedy as a tension reliever in the middle of that action. I was laughing my head off with Falcon/Bucky in the Beetle, great Spiderman quips, and basically any time Ant Man is on screen.
- Speaking of Spiderman, I thought Tom Holland was too young and didn't fit the role at all when I first heard about him, but he is awesome in this movie. A perfect match for young Peter Parker. And hellloooo Aunt May.
- I really liked the Black Panther role, but was even more impressed by what they did with Vision - showing his power set so naturally, becoming more "human," questioning his origin, etc.
- I loved how the heroes fought side by side, but didn't just jump in like they knew each other. They question other people's power sets and don't even know each other's names in some cases ("Arrow-Guy!, Yeah I know you - you're....awesome"). Just seemed so much more real and funny.
The best part of the movie for me though was that every single character played a meaningful role. Not one character felt just thrown in or unnecessary. Cap and Iron Man definitely take center stage, but they made the most of every comment from the littler guys to further tie all of the stories together. There are a bunch of these amazing little side stories echoing the comics that don't detract from the main story at all. At best they set up potentially larger storylines in the future, at worst they provided some meaningful character development and sweet fanboy nods to the comics.
I have progressively enjoyed the Marvel movies more and more, but this one really tops them all in action, fun, and just tying it all together. They even find a cool way to end it, leaving some things a bit ambiguous, but on an up note. Can't wait to see it again.
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It was really good, but why in the hell did Baron Zemo make his own job so damn difficult? That video tape was only in Siberia? And he had to find and kill five other Winter Soldiers to find it, just so he could show it to Tony? Jesus, why not just let the Sokovia Accords do what they seemed to be doing and enjoy Cap and Iron Man ripping each other's heads off?
Seemed like a pretty overly-complicated, convoluted plot device (to say nothing about the fact that they took a pretty major super-villain and gave him a pretty pedestrian level of involvement, but I've accepted that this is the MCU and not all characters are 100% comic accurate). But damn, for a pissed-off guy to go through all that trouble when the world governments were already splitting the Avengers apart with the Accords? Why? Am I missing something?
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Both events were the result of Sokovia. Zemo probably didn't know the extent to which the accords were causing a schism in the team. So it was two concurrent, but independent, lines of events.
And I believe he killed the soldiers so they wouldn't cause the same harm as the Avengers. He went to Siberia to find and kill them.
There are a couple plot holes, though. The video camera was very conveniently present at the exact spot of the accident. And that some plebe from eastern Europe was able to find the info and video when Tony Stark, genius security hacker billionaire, could not... that's a bit of a stretch.
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I saw it yesterday, and there was so much to take in. It was very much multi-layered, and I appreciate that it took something of a slow burn approach to letting this story build.
I went into this thinking that Stark was going to be portrayed like he was taking some kind of heel turn, but it was written and performed much better than that. The reasoning and argument behind the Accords seemed very much legitimate. And it was easy to see how characters like Stark, Black Widow and the Vision could be swayed to get on board with Ross and the Accords. I have to say, I really appreciate that Marvel & the Russo Brothers would offer up a story where there is such a great degree of moral conflict between the heroes of a story like this one. Life and politics in general are complicated. And putting a story like this out there where the justification for those diametrically opposed positions have some moral basis is very welcome.
Black Panther's story was very well developed. And I think Chadwick Boseman did a fantastic job. I thought his motivation was spot-on, and when he decided that he was going to take his vengeance I don't know what could have stopped him. My one gripe? It had to do with Black Panther, Cap and Bucky. Notably the chase scene in the tunnel in Germany. When they were running through traffic it took me out of the movie. Simply because the speed of both the running and the cars seemed off. This is really my only gripe with the film, so take what you will from that.
I liked seeing the budding relationship between the Vision and Wanda. That seemed to hold true to the comics in a way. And seeing the two of them fight? Remind me not to get on the Scarlet Witch's bad side, because I don't want her altering my density so much that I fall through several floors of a building. There's also the matter of the Mind Gem. I suspect that Vision's doubts about his ability to control the Mind Gem were foreshadowing to what we may see in the Infinity War films.
But the airport fight? Wow. That was just great! Spider-Man was awesome. I really like how he was characterized this time around. Peter Parker became Spider-Man when he was a kid in school, and seeing him like that was refreshing. Likewise, seeing Stark be protective of him because he recognized that Peter was a kid added something to Tony's character as well. And what about Ant-Man? I loved seeing him get into Iron Man's suit and messing with it. And then going big and becoming Giant Man? I really didn't know what to expect because we're still learning what his capabilities are. I was a little surprised to see him actually tear the wing off of an airliner and swing it around like a giant club.
It was a little odd to see how Zemo's story weaved it's way through the overall story. But by the end it certainly made sense. As did *MOST* of the Howard & Maria Stark plotline. I could certainly see why HYDRA would want to have some video of that incident on file. But I was left wondering how Zemo came to know that the Winter Soldier had a role in Howard Stark's assassination to begin with and knew to search for the files on that particular date.
Overall I thought that this film was really strong. And it left me wanting more from the MCU, as well as the Russo brothers. I think they know and appreciate the source material in a big way. The future of the Avengers certainly seems like it's in doubt, since half of its members have some sort of outlaw status now. But I think that things are going to require them to come together for the Infinity War storyline.
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I think it was implied that Zemo accessed the Hydra/Shield data that Widow dumped public at the end of Winter Soldier.
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I think it was implied that Zemo accessed the Hydra/Shield data that Widow dumped public at the end of Winter Soldier.
Thanks for jogging my memory. Zemo did get a little bit confessional at some point and now I remember him talking about decrypting some of that data. That being said, the movie was pretty dense in terms of communicating all of these plot points, and I could see the potential for the audience to walk away a little bit confused.
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You are right, and your comment was not the first I have read questioning this. It is also implied but not stated that Zemo was the buyer of the stuff that Crossbones and crew were stealing.
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I didn't think much about it until it was brought up here - I'll have to watch the Zemo bits more closely when I go to see it again. I thought the events unfolded like this:
#1 - Zemo wants revenge on the Supers for accidentally killing his family
#2 - Widow releases the Hydra files to the public in CA#2.
#3 - Zemo decrypts several of the files and discovers Bucky's brainwashing. He then attempts to follow leads to track Bucky down and use him to drive the Avengers apart. The encrypted files likely showed that Winter Soldier killed the Starks.
#4 - At some point he gets his hand on the Hyrdra Photostatic Veil and uses it to frame Bucky for the bombing, which accelerates support for the accords AND flushes out Bucky.
#5 - Zemo brainwashes Bucky to fight the others and asks for detail about a specific mission, which he couldn't get from the first guy he threatened. He clearly wants to know more about either the other soldiers, the base, or what happend to the Starks (probably all of the above)
#6 - This leads him to the Hydra facility where he kills the other supah soldiers, then has time to snoop around for files, video, etc. on the program
#7 - SHIELD/Widow/Stark discover that Bucky was framed, so Zemo rightly guesses Stark will be coming after him. Maybe he even leaked the info on the frame job to ensure Stark would be there
#8 - In the facility, Zemo tracks down the recording of Stark's parents being killed. It would make sense that the video would be there - it's not like they had a lot of videotapes or DVDs to store things on back in the 40's. OR Zemo hooked up the old style monitor to play the recording using the Hydra files he previously decrypted.
#9 - Just like the bombing, Zemo plays the tape to get Cap and Stark fighting to the death (I did actually think Stark was going to die when the shield cut into his ARC reactor
#10 - Having turned the heroes against each other, Zemo decides to kill himself rather than be imprisoned, but Panther stops him
#11 - After being incarcerated, Zemo implies that his plans did not fail, which makes me wonderif he is referring to the schism between the Avengers or if there are other machinations he set in motion. Maybe he wanted to die, so that he couldn't be captured and forced to reveal info on anything else he initiated.
Makes pretty good sense to me. The camera in the woods catching the murder was conveniently placed, but I think it read something like "Camera 3" at the bottom implying there were other cameras set up there. Guessing they set all this up to dispose of the Starks and ensure that Bucky was 100% under their control. Or maybe to prove to someone else that the Starks were actually dead. They would thus want some kind of video to monitor Bucky throughout the mission and ensure that he didn't hesitate to do whatever they asked. It's not perfectly spelled out in the movie, but that's the general take I had on events.
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Gotta flip 1 and 2 to be chronological, but that is a pretty decent breakdown.
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Agreed. Seeing it laid out like that does give us some clarity on the chain of events.
There's another question that I'm left with following the movie that a friend brought up. That being the super soldier serum that Howard Stark was transporting in his own car. Was Howard trying to duplicate Professor Erskine's work and develop a new Captain America? Was this something of a callback to when General Ross told Emil Blonsky in The Incredible Hulk that people had been working on replicating the Captain America super soldier serum? Was this one of the attempts? Howard seems like a prime candidate to try to replicate the experiment since he took part in the original experiment.
As for HYDRA learning of this new development and putting a hit on Howard Stark? It seems that if HYDRA went after someone as high up in SHIELD as Howard Stark, it seems pretty likely that HYDRA had already infiltrated the upper echelons of SHIELD by that time so that they were able to gain intel about this new development. From the footage of the tests in Siberia, it looks like the serum was not quite as successful, since the new Winter Soldiers seemed violent and out of control during that training session.
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I finally got to see the new Capt America yesterday. I absolutely loved it! I am having a hard time trying to figure out which is my favorite Marvel movie at this point, it's a toss up between Civil War and Winter Soldier.
Also, after being a Spider-Man fan fr over 40 years, I have finally seen a good and accurate Spider-Man movie. :D
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I was also finally able to get out and see it yesterday. Definitely not my favorite (Winter Soldier), but definitely up near the top 5. Thought the plot, action, humor, suspense, etc. were all a good mix. Really liking what the Russo's are doing when they are at the helm and looking forward to what Infinity War has to offer.
The highlight for me was definitely Spiderman - how he was used in the conflict, how he was portrayed by Tom Holland, how Tony Stark designed and gave him his costume... Really looking forward to the new movie and more Aunt May!
My only gripe, and this is definitely personal, was the opening action scenes. I've never been a fan of the in-your-face fight scenes and on-foot chases. I think this is why to this day I've never watched another Hunger Games movie. I could never get past the first one and the running/fighting sequences. The opening scenes in this movie reminded me a lot about that film and just didn't do it for me. I thought that the end fight was much easier to watch and still gave me the level of suspense and realism that I needed without having to be right on top of the action.
Favorite lines - Bucky: You couldn't have done that earlier (after Falcon gets rid of Spiderman). Falcon: I hate you.
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I enjoyed Captain America Civil War and for me, the main highlight was Tom Holland's performance as our very own friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
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Everybody thought Spiderman would suck. I hear Aunt May is hot. Never thought I would type that.
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Finally saw it. I didn't care for some of the opening fight scenes' style, either.
I'd forgotten how Zemo got all that info. It's only been hours. :P
His plan depends on room service being nosy. "If she doesn't look in the bathroom, my plan is doomed!" Or something.
The character was so-so, because the actor didn't do much for me. I don't know why they bothered to call him Zemo, though.
How did Iron Man know who Spidey was? Is he like Lex Luthor in Dawn of Justice. RICH GENIUSES CAN FIGURE OUT ANYTHING...cuz rich...and smart.
Next movie
Stark: "That's you, isn't it...BROTHER VOODOO."
Ah, the reveal...hard to take after too many super hero movies. I mean, Jack "Sandman" Napier killed Tony's mom and dad? Was Tony's mom's name Martha?
Anyway, it was good. Nothing terribly wrong with it other than Chris Evans' lack of charisma and Winter Soldier's supporting lack of charisma. :D
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Ah, the reveal...hard to take after too many super hero movies. I mean, Jack "Sandman" Napier killed Tony's mom and dad? Was Tony's mom's name Martha?
I thought it was the man with four fingers. Tony: "You killed my father. Prepare to die!"
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Ah, the reveal...hard to take after too many super hero movies. I mean, Jack "Sandman" Napier killed Tony's mom and dad? Was Tony's mom's name Martha?
I thought it was the man with four fingers. Tony: "You killed my father. Prepare to die!"
The SIX fingered man...
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/princessbride/images/e/e5/Count_Rugen's_right_hand.png/revision/latest?cb=20110320032208)
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Your right. I stand corrected.