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CASSIAN ANDOR LIVE-ACTION SERIES ANNOUNCED (https://www.starwars.com/news/cassian-andor-live-action-series-announced)
DIEGO LUNA RETURNS AS THE ROGUE ONE HERO IN A SPY THRILLER FOR DISNEY'S DIRECT-TO-CONSUMER STREAMING SERVICE.
Disney Chairman and CEO Bob Iger announced today that Lucasfilm is in development on a second Star Wars live-action series for Disney+, the Company’s new direct-to-consumer streaming service. The series, which will go into production next year, follows the adventures of rebel spy Cassian Andor during the formative years of the Rebellion and prior to the events of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story. Diego Luna will reprise the role of Andor. “Going back to the Star Wars universe is very special for me,” said Luna. “I have so many memories of the great work we did together and the relationships I made throughout the journey. We have a fantastic adventure ahead of us, and this new exciting format will give us the chance to explore this character more deeply.”
The rousing spy thriller will explore tales filled with espionage and daring missions to restore hope to a galaxy in the grip of a ruthless Empire. A release date for the series has not yet been announced. Stay tuned to StarWars.com for the latest updates.
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I really hope K-2SO is coming back with him...
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Cool. That has some promise considering he had a bit of an edge in the movie.
Its too bad that he's dead at the end of Rogue One. I think it would be much cooler if this was a "Rebel Commando" show that could span the pre-Rogue One through shortly post-ROTJ era. Cassian could still be in it and help kick off the first season(s) but allow it to continue with other characters through other stories that span a longer period of time.
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Cool. That has some promise considering he had a bit of an edge in the movie.
Its too bad that he's dead at the end of Rogue One. I think it would be much cooler if this was a "Rebel Commando" show that could span the pre-Rogue One through shortly post-ROTJ era. Cassian could still be in it and help kick off the first season(s) but allow it to continue with other characters through other stories that span a longer period of time.
You didn't see that shuttle sweep in and pick him and Jyn up? Perhaps it will be easier to see in the special edition.
Honestly...this sounds like a great idea! Lots of potential.
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I just wanna see that asteroid city from the opening with Cassian and that spy he killed.
I thing it is one of the most interesting planet location designs ever in the series and it was a blip on the radar haha.
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The way Rogue One established more of the Rebellion prior to the Battle of Yavin was really interesting. And I agree, the Ring of Kafrene was a pretty interesting location.
Seeing Cassian build up that relationship with a source like Tivik would be cool. And incorporating characters like Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, and others on the Rebel Alliance council would build on the depth of the project. But I really want to see how he "acquires" K-2SO. That will be fantastic to see!
From a story perspective there are lots of places to go. In RO Cassian said to Jyn that he's been in the fight since he was 6 years old. Was that during the Clone Wars? Clearly the show can't go that far back. But if the show is talking about the formative years of the Rebellion, will it take on how rebel cells banded together to form the Alliance? It might be too much to ask if the Ghost crew might have some kind of crossover with this series.
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Really liked the character, looking forward to this one.
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Could we see a live action Hera Syndulla??
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Along the same lines as what Matt mentioned, the whole spy/espionage angle could potentially open this series up for some crossover with Rebels. Specifically, I’m wondering if Fulcrum will be a plot line in this show. A live action Ahsoka Tano is something that a significant segment of fandom seem to want to see.
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Once we see casting news, I wonder how long it will take for someone to speculate about Grand Admiral Thrawn?
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Once we see casting news, I wonder how long it will take for someone to speculate about Grand Admiral Thrawn?
30 seconds probably.
In fact, I just heard that Robert Downey Jr. was going to play him. Print it.
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https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1337174062540308480
Andor sizzle reel from the investor day.
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Great to hear this is already in production!
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I'm looking forward to this one!
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I caught this little bit in the official site news blurb. Here are some of the cast:
"...will be joined by a fantastic new cast that includes Stellan Skarsgard, Adria Arjona, Fiona Shaw, Denise Gough, Kyle Soller, and Genevieve O’Reilly as Mon Mothma."
Glad to see Genevieve O'Reilly back in the mix. I think she's added some depth to the Mon Mothma character. And to think that she had the part in Revenge Of The Sith and got cut from the movie, but has parlayed it into voice acting on Rebels, a live action role in Rogue One and now this show, too!
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I caught this little bit in the official site news blurb. Here are some of the cast:
"...will be joined by a fantastic new cast that includes Stellan Skarsgard, Adria Arjona, Fiona Shaw, Denise Gough, Kyle Soller, and Genevieve O’Reilly as Mon Mothma."
Glad to see Genevieve O'Reilly back in the mix. I think she's added some depth to the Mon Mothma character. And to think that she had the part in Revenge Of The Sith and got cut from the movie, but has parlayed it into voice acting on Rebels, a live action role in Rogue One and now this show, too!
Nice! I think O'Rielly does a great job as Mon Mothma, and I agree, it's nice to see some depth added to the character. She was such a non-character in ROTJ. And I can't get past the fact that she's just staring directly at Admiral Ackbar during his presentation (https://youtu.be/6TfHqrWejdo), rather than the actual presentation like everyone else in the room. Is that the first time she'd seen an alien or something? Overall, if you told me she was high as **** during that whole briefing, I'd believe you.
On the topic, it would be great to see some development of Admiral Ackbar and the Mon Cal rebellion forces.
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I wonder when we are going to hear any more updates on Andor? We last saw the sizzle real and knew this was in production over a year ago. They have to be getting close at this point. Last I heard this was still the generic Mid-Late 2022 release. I hoping we get a release date for sometime for July-August, maybe a month or so after the Kenobi finale. It feels like maybe Disney is going to wait a little bit to keep the focus on Kenobi before announcing anything official for Andor.
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The only things I’ve heard have been rumors. Among them is the fact that a second season is already approved and principal photography begins in the fall. That’s from a leak from one of the cast.
Kenobi debuts at the end of May and is supposed to be 7 episodes, IIRC. That puts it ending in mid July. There’s also the matter of the second season of The Bad Batch. I thought I had heard it might be a summer release, but I’m not 100% sure. Based on all of that I could see Andor premiering in October.
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Don't forget Mando Season 3. Have they announced a date on that?
I get the sense that Bad Batch can overlap with live action releases, which they don't want to overlap.
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12 episodes in Season 1 (set 5 years before Rogue One).
First two episodes premiere on August 31, 2022.
https://youtu.be/j5UX1Adanis
Season 2 also has 12 episodes and leads up to Rogue One time.
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I have no idea what the plot is (other than Cassian Andor is a bad ass Rebel assassin), but that looks pretty cool.
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The teaser looks good.
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Trailer looks great. Can’t wait for this one.
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The trailer looks like it the show is going to cover a substantial amount of time. At the very least it seems like there are going to be flashbacks.
The children watching the starship in flames made me think of something Cassian said in Rogue One to Jyn, when he said that he had been in the fight since he was 6 years old. And then to see those Clone Troopers in phase 2 armor was a surprise as well. And those gunships?!?!?
The situation looks like it's complicated on Cassian's homeworld. It looks like there's a corps of local government forces that might be enforcing the will of the Empire. And that pristine white meeting room? It looks like a Star Wars show is going to take on the Imperial Security Bureau, and they're pulling the strings.
The Coruscant scenes with Mon Mothma looked interesting. The city looks different from what we saw in the PT - including that interior shot from the Senate! And the tone seems like that of a spy thriller.
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New teaser poster released.
I think the poster artwork has been getting more and more simple/lazy. I'm not sure if the artists don't have enough source material to work with or what.
(https://cdn.crowdtwist.com/img/v2/c424fb829ce15f43fe364a61a0caee9143cbd7bc/w/h/0/image.png)
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New trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOegEuCcfw) :o
Some really cool stuff in this trailer and the show looks absolutely amazing!
Unfortunately, it looks like they've pushed it to 21 September. No worries, I'm patient.
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That was a great trailer! And it looks like Stellan Skarsgaard is playing even more of a central role than we might have thought. Great to see some characters from ROGUE ONE in there as well.
I was a little surprised by the new release date. They seem to have compensated because they're going to drop three episodes on that first day! I also just looked up the release date for season 2 of The Bad Batch, and that's currently listed as September 28th. I wonder if that might move back a little bit as well?
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Holy **** that looks cool!!!
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Whew, I just knew this one was going to be next level. R1 was my favorite Disney film, I loved all the gritty realism which this looks to have in spades. Add in a non-OT character with a wide open backstory, it is really going to give them the leeway to do something special here. I am front row ready for this one!
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Add in a non-OT character with a wide open backstory...
To me this is critical for a great story. Its really tough to have characters with known story lines that don't leave writers much room and don't leave tons of suspense for viewers. Kenobi was nice, but we knew roughly what was and wasn't going to happen with most of the characters.
To me the Rebels / Rogue One timeline is super ripe for telling great stories with mostly or all new characters.
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This looks like it'll be Mando level awesome. High expectations for this series...
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This trailer is making it impossible for me to keep my expectations at a moderate level. Damn, that was good.
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I'm beyond excited for this. And I'm really happy to see Genevieve O'Reilly returning as Mon Mothma, and expanding into a bigger role. I think she's done such a great job of taking a very wooden throwaway character and expanding her into a very convincing rebel leader.
It actually wouldn't break my heart if they swapped her into ROTJ (I know, blasphemy). The acting in the rebel briefing scene sticks out like a sore thumb every time I watch it...she's staring at Admiral Ackbar as if this is the first time she's ever seen an alien of any sort, and completely ignoring the briefing. Go ahead and check it out, you'll never unsee it. Just watch her face during the whole scene...even after the death star explodes on the hologram.
Rebel Briefing (https://youtu.be/6TfHqrWejdo)
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I see someone in a longing gaze. Unrequited love? :P
Wow, you are right, Never noticed that before. Maybe I was too focused on Ackbar myself whenever I watched that scene.
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I see someone in a longing gaze. Unrequited love? :P
Wow, you are right, Never noticed that before. Maybe I was too focused on Ackbar myself whenever I watched that scene.
She messed it all up on the first date. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOaROFFhpL4)
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Haha! I never saw that one.
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Echoing the Andor love... I CAN'T wait for this series. From the trailers it really seems like this could be the TV series I've always been wanting, OT era but with only minor characters from the Skywalker Saga. I have really, really high hopes for what this can become. That admittedly makes me a bit nervous, but I have a very good feeling that this series will live up to that expectation.
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Watched the Disney+ day preview thing for Andor and I'm even more excited for this show. :o
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Watched the Disney+ day preview thing for Andor and I'm even more excited for this show. :o
Is this on the Web, YouTube, or on Disney+?
Just got done watching the new behind the scenes Obi-Wan special on Disney+. I'm ready for more Star Wars via Andor.
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I watched the sneak preview on Disney+ last night. Was it only offered for Disney+ Day?
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I just watched it, so it is still there.
The bulk of it was the same thing they played with Rogue One in the IMAX release a few weeks ago, but the trailer bit at the end was different (at the theater it was the regular release trailer that played after the extended clip.) Also there seemed to be more to the interview with Tony and Diego in this version.
So excited for grown-up Star Wars!
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A new "payoff" poster was released by Disney today. I'm looking forward to watching this later tonight.
(https://cdn.crowdtwist.com/img/v2/2295958b63c5cc0d9b657b6982d2e657c7d4b9e7/w/h/0/image.png)
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Watched the first episode over lunch today; going to watch episodes 2 and 3 later tonight.
I like what I have seen so far though - B2EMO was different than I was expecting!
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Hot take: Andor is the Star Wars content I have been waiting for since I saw the Lord of the Rings films and realized we could lean into the more grown-up side of these franchises.
I am so happy after these first 3 episodes. More in depth later, once we are past the spoiler buffer.
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I really enjoyed the first three episodes. The story is intriguing, the music is very complimentary to the story. I think we're going to enjoy this ride!
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I wonder if there is a different team working on Andor vs. Mandalorian, etc. The worlds in Andor seem a lot richer, the scenes seem more full, and the city environments seem much grittier. Very cool through three episodes.
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The worlds in Andor seem a lot richer, the scenes seem more full, and the city environments seem much grittier.
Andor did not use "The Volume" aka Stagecraft - it was shot at real world locations and sound stages at Pinewood. It definitely gives the show a different look/feel than the other Disney+ SW shows.
https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/star-wars-andor-doesnt-use-volume-says-tony-gilroy-exclusive/
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Thanks Jeff.
I think the volume is cool, but maybe it has limitations, or maybe the programmers just aren't good enough yet to have real depth to their scenery.
Either way Andor's sets and scenery look amazing.
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Not sure if we need to put "spoilers" in the thread subject. I think enough days have passed to start a discussion of the episodes released on Wednesday.
Spoilers possible.
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Overall I really liked the three episodes as a whole, and I'm glad they released them all together as it really took three episodes to get things properly set up and rolling.
Anything that I didn't like is really nit picking and style choices. Maybe they could have spent a little less time on Cassian's backstory as a kid on the mining planet Kenari. Maybe they got a little too cute with the new droid B2EMO (like they usually do). But damn, I thought it was all mostly fantastic.
Things I liked:
- The character development with Cassian, Bix (female lead), Cassian's mom, Syril the mining police deputy, and Rael the rebel agent all felt good. They've kept the cast fairly tight and the side stories to a minimum to keep the plot fairly focused so far.
- I like that none of the characters (so far) are overly tied in to the main Star Wars saga story. Nobody is somebodies relative. Nobody is force sensitive. Nobody is royalty that matters. Easter eggs and cameos can be fun, but they can be pretty annoying sometimes too.
- The motivations are simple and pure. Cassian is a hustler looking for his sister and doesn't like the Empire, and has gotten in over his head. Syril is puritanical in his role as security deputy. Nothing overly complex or convoluted like BoBF where you really don't understand why Boba is doing half the stuff he is.
- I mentioned it before, but the depth of the scenery and shots are fantastic. It feels so much richer than any of the other shows using The Volume. I like The Volume and that it allows them to shoot on a smaller budget that makes financial sense, so I'm not going to bash it much, but Andor feels more immersive.
- I'm still not clear on the relationship and history between Cassian and Bix, but you can tell they like(d) each other and I like the tension and ambiguity so far.
- I like that maybe this show is grittier and targeting an older audience. So far no Skittles speeder bike gangs, etc. Cassian and all the characters know the world they live in and have to be fairly ruthless about the decisions they make (e.g. kill the second guard in the first episode to get away more cleanly even though he posed no physical risk).
I don't know if its Tony Gilroy (writer and showrunner) that has changed things up a bit, but maybe they need a little less Dave Filoni and crew and they need a little more Gilroy in some of these series. Either way, I'm really looking forward to where this series goes every Wednesday.
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Kind of a slower paced episode this week setting up future events with some new characters introduced. My kids were bored, but I'm hopeful its all important stuff.
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I thought Lucen was going to be a member of the Senate. Pleasantly surprised with his role in the rebellion. Interesting to glimpse a little more into Mon Mothma’s life. Never knew she was married.
Solid, albeit slow, episode.
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I was very optimistic heading into it, but the first three didn’t really wow me I have to say. It was all good, but it just didn’t feel very “Star Warsy” to me somehow. Very few aliens, very human centric. I felt like I couldn’t wait for them to get off Ferrix and leave those bleak characters behind. I loved the stuff with him on Kenari though, guessing he will return there at some point in a flashback and figure out what went on with the sister.
Last night’s episode was just terrific though I thought. This is exactly the kind of stuff I was excited to see, the inner workings of the Empire, the birth of the rebellion, etc. Luthen and Mon Mothma scene was just riveting. Glad we finally know who Vel Sartha is now too.
Thought the old maester from GoT was awesome in his role. Quintessential Imperial. The girl reminded me a little too much of Rae Sloane, but we’ll see.
Mostly though, I just really, really hope that scene with Syril slinking home to his mom is the last we ever see of him. Would be the perfect ignominious ending for that douchenozzle.
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Loved the GoT guy. His roasts were smooth.
I actually felt bad for Syril after thinking how much of a prick he was in the beginning. Over zealous but, from his pov, he was just trying to do his job.
The dude playing Lucen is fantastic. Different faces.
Anyone watch Doctor Who? There is a character named Strax. The seargent reminds me of him.
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One nit-pick from this week's episode is Cassian serving in the Imperial military during the battle of Mimban. Can't there be other planets and other battles that we haven't heard about before in the giant galaxy?
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Wondering if the new person Mon Mothma wants to bring into the fold is Leia. ???
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Wondering if the new person Mon Mothma wants to bring into the fold is Leia. ???
This is going on at the same point in the timeline as Rebels. Leila is already part of the rebellion.
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I hope its someone other than Leia. Winter (from the comics) would be kind of fun, but I hope its an all new character. New characters create a total unknown - you have no idea their backstory or if they're going to survive the episode or the series.
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I have to say that the overall aesthetic is very gritty. This is the used universe to the Nth degree. It looked underworld without beating you over the head with it. And Ferrix seemed a good deal like Bracca - a ship breaking world, kind of like these seaside towns in India where cargo ships are driven ashore in order to be scrapped.
This most recent episode was doing a fair amount of place setting. Luthen seems pretty no nonsense when dealing with Cassian and Vel. And the deception he plays with the antiquities storefront seems like an excellent cover. He can scour the galaxy in search of relics for his shop. And the number of Easter Eggs there is ludicrous!
One thing that’s taken me out of the series? The really pronounced Scottish accent from Sgt Linus Mosk of Corporate Security. Between that and one of the actor’s previous roles in “Chernobyl” (coincidentally also with Stellan Skarsgaard), he’s kind of distracting. Because you can’t unsee those Chernobyl scenes. Ugh.
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Another slightly slow episode, but the tension is building. I hope the heist comes soon and that its not the entire plot of this series. I'm assuming there is more since we've got Mon Mothma, and the failed security officer side stories that must play a role in a larger story.
I'm interested to see what happens with the Mon Mothma story line, and feel this could be a series by itself. What is going on with her relationship with her husband? He seems to be a loyalist and they've gotten to the point where they seem to open despise each other. There must be a reason they're still together where their power and influence is enabled.
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Yeah, I liked the name drops that were supposed to be guests at the dinner. Would have been interesting to see how they would look in Andor.
It would also be nice to see Chandrila on the screen, too, but I don't know if there's enough room in the show (current season) for it.
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Yeah, I liked the name drops that were supposed to be guests at the dinner.
I must have missed this - what names did they drop?
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Yeah, I liked the name drops that were supposed to be guests at the dinner.
I must have missed this - what names did they drop?
Ars Dangor and Sly Moore. It's after she learns they're coming that she gets upset.
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The Mothmas: Portait of a Marriage in Distress coming soon to D+! :D
Perrin seems like a pretty useless schlub at this point, but I think he bears watching.
My understanding is that season one is essentially broken up into 4 “mini movies” that are being handled by different creative teams. So the heist stuff should come to a head in the next episode. The whole thing has kind of a doomed-from-the-start feeling, but it should be entertaining.
As much as I hate seeing more Syril, I have to say his mom was a hoot. Strong Rhea Perlman vibes.
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I'm interested to see what happens with the Mon Mothma story line, and feel this could be a series by itself.
Now would you have said this in 1983? Or 2005? Maybe even 2016?
But I agree. I think a Mon Mothma centered story would be intriguing.
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Yeah, I liked the name drops that were supposed to be guests at the dinner. Would have been interesting to see how they would look in Andor.
It would also be nice to see Chandrila on the screen, too, but I don't know if there's enough room in the show (current season) for it.
Sly Moore was one of the names that got dropped. And I haven't really thought about her since ROTS was current! Although her character has been getting explored in Marvel Comics. Not just as part of Palpatine's inner circle of advisors, but evidently as Force sensitive individual who serves Darth Sidious.
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Wow, good episode!
Kinda weird that they left that one woman behind, wonder if that’s the last we see of her.
Dr Quadpaw! :D
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So did anyone get the sense that the doctor was based in part on Dennis Muren?
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So did anyone get the sense that the doctor was based in part on Dennis Muren?
He did kind of look like him although I'm not sure if it was intentional or not.
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I'm glad to see the heist got all wrapped up after a couple of slower episodes.
I hope we get a little more in to the motivation behind Cassian eventually joining the Rebellion as he still seems like a solo opportunist at this point. I'd also like to see if that bit about him looking for his sister plays in to the larger story.
There are a lot of sub-plots and characters still in play, so I'll be interested to see how it all gets tied up, or if some of them are just let dangling.
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I hope we get a little more in to the motivation behind Cassian eventually joining the Rebellion as he still seems like a solo opportunist at this point. I'd also like to see if that bit about him looking for his sister plays in to the larger story.
The easy thing to do would be to tie them together - the empire plays some role in the fate of Cassian's sister and that is what finally puts him in line with the rebellion. I kind hope it's not that simple, but that'd be the easy story-telling way to go.
I've liked the show so far, but it does kind of feel like it's a bit too long/slow at some points. Hoping the action ramps up a bit more over the last 6 episodes.
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I've liked the show so far, but it does kind of feel like it's a bit too long/slow at some points. Hoping the action ramps up a bit more over the last 6 episodes.
Yeah, they could have shortened the raid prep episodes by at least 50%. Learning about everyone's background and all the idle chit chat around the campfire is wasted when nearly everyone ends up dead. If it doesn't help develop Cassian's character arc it should be cut way back.
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I thought they were building up the faces of the rebellion. Not those characters themselves.
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I thought they were building up the faces of the rebellion. Not those characters themselves.
I guess, but I think a lot of it could have been cut to speed up the plot.
Ultimately we've seen a lot of characters over the years that were rebels, or didn't like the Empire/First Order and understand their motivations and situations. I'm not sure it really needs to be characterized any further unless its critical to the immediate plot.
It wasn't terrible, but I'd like to get as much story per hour so I'd prefer most of the fluff gets minimized.
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I've liked the show so far, but it does kind of feel like it's a bit too long/slow at some points. Hoping the action ramps up a bit more over the last 6 episodes.
Yeah, they could have shortened the raid prep episodes by at least 50%. Learning about everyone's background and all the idle chit chat around the campfire is wasted when nearly everyone ends up dead. If it doesn't help develop Cassian's character arc it should be cut way back.
I'm finding no issues with the pacing especially with a rewatch. I agree the pace takes it time in episodes 4&5 but all of Cassian's interactions with the team highlight who Cassian is and how experienced he is. It builds a really solid argument for why Rael sought him out to ensure the raid succeeded by making up for shortcomings in the team.
These two arcs set up a pattern of two detailed into episodes followed by a crazy climactic episode.
I'm starting to wonder if Gareth Edwards had a toned down role for Cassian in Rogue One and Tony Gilroy came in and beefed up the role as the guy who will do what it takes to sabotage the empre.
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Yularen?!?!
That’s all I have for now.
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Wow, lots going on in that episode! And Colonel (?) Yularen!
Was not eager to revisit Ferrix again but the scenes with him and Ma were good.
And man, I bet that whole BS with the Shoretrooper is gonna seem way too familiar to a lot of people.
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Man... I have LOVED this show so far. Keeping it short for now but I feel like this is the Star Wars series I've been waiting for 22 years+ (since Lucas first said he wanted to make a Sopranos-like show). I've loved the 'slower' pacing, and the fact that it took until episode 7 for us to even seen a Stormtrooper.
And yeah, I was very excited by Yularen. The wife was confused by why I was randomly so excited by some old white dude, but she knows who I am by now, and she has loved the show so far too. I am very excited to see where this goes over the next 5 episodes + next season.
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Cassian's encounter with the Empire made the oppressive nature of the regime all too clear. And I agree, McMetal. That scene with the Shoretrooper was uncomfortable, but absolutely echoed current events. Which is actually a good thing. Art is supposed to hold a mirror up to society. And that scene did it really well. All while teasing the possibility of K-2SO making his way into Cassian's story.
But I think this is the point in the season where the story will lead to the stark white environments seen in the trailers. At first I thought it was supposed to be some kind of factory / clean room environment. But it looks like it's supposed to be a prison! And the whole aesthetic there has bigtime THX-1138 vibes going on.
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I read that the Shoretrooper was voiced by Sam Witwer.
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I do love the twist of fate where Cassian really doesn't give a hoot about the rebellion and his only concern with the Empire is how he can live under the radar and keep stealing stuff. He was keeping his nose clean with his stolen loot and is randomly oppressed and imprisoned where I assume he'll develop his hate for the empire. I'm guessing a few more people important in his life may get screwed too in future episodes. But I love that he isn't a born Empire hater and rebel operative.
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K-2S0???
Probably not.
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Okay, this episode was all kinds of cool... especially with the appearance of certain characters who I'll not name yet.
Also, another appearance of a vehicle that Hasbro could easily repaint and sell. ;)
EDIT: Does anyone know what they were building on Narkina 5?
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Okay, this episode was all kinds of cool... especially with the appearance of certain characters who I'll not name yet.
Also, another appearance of a vehicle that Hasbro could easily repaint and sell. ;)
EDIT: Does anyone know what they were building on Narkina 5?
I bet I know who one of them is! But to be fair, I only learned that from Twitter after the fact. Very cool though.
Great to see Andy Serkis in a live action role too.
How dumb was Bix for not just running away as soon as she saw all the troopers around her friend’s place? I was like what are you waiting for girl??
I’m not sure what they were building either but for some reason I kept thinking it was parts for a Probe Droid.
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Okay, this episode was all kinds of cool... especially with the appearance of certain characters who I'll not name yet.
You'll have to post the names in another day or two.
I think I heard a Rogue One rebel trooper's name in the prison factory, but there were probably some at the dinner party I missed.
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EDIT: Does anyone know what they were building on Narkina 5?
I don't know for sure. I can't tell if we should know or if the units are generic. I was wondering if it might be internal foot machinery for AT-ATs but I doubt we could recognize that.
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If you watch the episode with the captioning on you catch some things that you might not notice otherwise. Like that one prisoner who is on Cassian’s work team.
As for what they’re building? It looks like it could be some kind of Walker parts. Because it’s really heavy duty!
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I think I heard a Rogue One rebel trooper's name in the prison factory, but there were probably some at the dinner party I missed.
Pretty sure it was the same actor as well.
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I think you got what I was referring to, Dave. And I believe it is the same actor.
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I checked IMDB and it is the same actor.
Enough time has passed that if you're reading this thread and didn't watch the show you're going to see a spoiler or two.
Ruescott Melshi is the character that is in the prison with Cassian and was one of the rebel assault troopers in Rogue One. I didn't rewatch the episode, but is he also the guy that is doing sign language across the tubes?
Overall I really liked the episode and it set up a lot of the broader populace rebelling against the heavy hand of the empire. I hope we don't spend too much time at the prison, or at least get to the jail break planning portion quickly.
I kind of like that we don't even know what the prisoners are building. Heck, maybe they're just shipping their built widgets to another side of the factory where they're dismantled and it keeps going in circles to keep the prisoners busy and beat down by the forced labor. Although I do agree that it could be the inner part of AT-AT or AT-ST feet.
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Ruescott Melshi is the character that is in the prison with Cassian and was one of the rebel assault troopers in Rogue One. I didn't rewatch the episode, but is he also the guy that is doing sign language across the tubes?
I think the tube sign-language guy is one of the other prisoners at his table. (Taga?)
It was interesting to see Melshi - Not only is he part of the Scarif team, I think he is one of the guys who gets a shovel to the face trying to rescue Jyn from Wobani prison planet too.
I kind of like that we don't even know what the prisoners are building. Heck, maybe they're just shipping their built widgets to another side of the factory where they're dismantled and it keeps going in circles to keep the prisoners busy and beat down by the forced labor. Although I do agree that it could be the inner part of AT-AT or AT-ST feet.
Part of me wonders if they would go full circle and make them some kind of Death Star parts to even further tie it into Rogue One in a heavy-handed way?
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Part of me wonders if they would go full circle and make them some kind of Death Star parts to even further tie it into Rogue One in a heavy-handed way?
Maybe, Ive been wondering if Kaenari is connected as it might have provided the ore for the death star. Maybe the accident and the off-limits status for the planet was just a cover-up story to hide the scope of the project the empire was working on.
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Part of me wonders if they would go full circle and make them some kind of Death Star parts to even further tie it into Rogue One in a heavy-handed way?
Maybe, Ive been wondering if Kaenari is connected as it might have provided the ore for the death star. Maybe the accident and the off-limits status for the planet was just a cover-up story to hide the scope of the project the empire was working on.
I thought I had heard rumblings about Krennic appearing in the series. And IIRC I'm pretty sure ISB officer Jung mentioned Krennic and/or Scarif during one of the ISB staff meetings. There's also the whole matter of the Geonosians helping build the Death Star, which is a significant part of the plot of the "Catalyst" novel.
As for the parts Cassian's team is making? They look like big spokes in a wheel. Which actually seems to play into the design of the prison - where the central core of the prison/factory is fed by these walkways that look like spokes. It seems like symbolism could be at work here. And I'm still struck by the design callbacks to THX 1138.
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I believe everything the Empire is doing right now is working to get the Deathstar built. Cassian was arrested, tried and convicted in under an hour, because the Empire needs labor to build parts for the Deathstar and just enslaving people is too overt.
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Part of me wonders if they would go full circle and make them some kind of Death Star parts to even further tie it into Rogue One in a heavy-handed way?
Maybe, Ive been wondering if Kaenari is connected as it might have provided the ore for the death star. Maybe the accident and the off-limits status for the planet was just a cover-up story to hide the scope of the project the empire was working on.
And I'm still struck by the design callbacks to THX 1138.
It's been a long time since I've seen THX 1138 but those were the vibes I was getting from the prison barracks and I'm surprised if it's not a nod to that..
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I always enjoy checking out the SW.com episode guides after each episode for easter eggs and trivia -> https://www.starwars.com/series/andor/andor-season-1-episode-8-episode-guide
The databank entry for Narkina 5 (https://www.starwars.com/databank/narkina-5) says:
"Narkina 5 is also home to a secluded and secretive Imperial prison complex. Inside the seven levels, hundreds of inmates toil on sterile factory floors, producing an array of mysterious widgets at grueling output quotas to power the Imperial war machine."
So either SW.com doesn't know what those widgets are either OR they are helping save that secret for the show...
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Thanks for the link Jeff. I'll have to start reading those synopsis now that I know they exist. Good stuff.
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That Andor episode... not much happening (action-wise), but man, it's just interesting to see how pieces are starting to fit!
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Excellent shot during the interrogation that completely echoes Leia's torture scene cutaway from ANH.
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Great episode.
I loved the tension on the work team with those that are short on days just wanting to get it over with, and those that are long on days looking for a way to escape. It was great seeing how that changed from the begging to the end of the show when they finally realized what had happened on Level 2. I hope by the end of the next episode Cassian and crew have managed to escape. I don't think we need to spend any more time in the prison realizing the Empire is bad and enslaving people.
We are spending a bit of time on the Mon Monthma and Syril Karn story lines without much to show for it so far. I hope it matters by the end.
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I believe everything the Empire is doing right now is working to get the Deathstar built. Cassian was arrested, tried and convicted in under an hour, because the Empire needs labor to build parts for the Deathstar and just enslaving people is too overt.
I would be on board with that train of thought, but it doesn't really line up with what the series has shown us so far. At the beginning of the series the ISB seems to be operating more like an intelligence agency. But it seems like the Aldhani raid changed everything. It was a big thumb in the eye of the Empire. And it seems that PORD was a result of the Empire's reaction to losing 80 million credits in that raid. That was the excuse the Empire needed to ramp up the oppression. And listening to Luthen's conversations with Mon Mothma, it seems that was the point. The Empire was slowly oppressing the people of the galaxy. But the Imperial reaction to Aldanhi has made the oppression of the Empire that much more overt.
The funny thing is that while Cassian was an integral part of the Aldhani mission, he doesn't realize that his very long prison sentence and what's happening at Narkina 5 is a direct result of how the Empire has responded to Aldhani. As for what they're building in the factory? Perhaps that will be revealed next week. But I'm not banking on it. It is interesting to see that Kino Loy has been trying to keep Melshi in line, because he probably knows that Melshi has designs on getting out. He's been trying to keep things running smoothly, but more and more he sees the brutality of the Empire at work. From learning the truth about what happened on level 2, to the utter indifference they had to Ulaf's stroke, he seems to have come around. And I think Andy Serkis has been just awesome in the span of two episodes.
I'm curious to see where this Dedra Meero and Syril Karn thing is going. Because there seems to be intrigue afoot at the ISB. Those staff meetings previously had a lot more ISB officers, but the more recent ones have been attended by far fewer supervisors. Are the others in the field? Or have they been culled from the ranks? Major Partagaz did make a point of telling Dedra to watch her back. And now I think she suspects that her subordinate might be attempting to undermine her by issuing orders on her behalf regarding Rebel interrogations. Meanwhile, Syril Karn is trying to work his way into Dedra's good graces. While she seemed to be threatening Syril for stalking her, she also seemed to be vulnerable. Like there's some weirdness going on between the two of them, and I think they might be more closely linked in the next few episodes.
Oh, and MIND BLOWN about one revelation. Vel Sartha is Mon Mothma's cousin?!?!?! This is getting more interesting.
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I just realized that Kino must be using the tasteless food paste dispenser as the pomade to keep his hair so slick and now I can't think of anything else.
Well, except that I still want to try a box of Syril Karn's Galactic Crunch cereal.
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I just realized that Kino must be using the tasteless food paste dispenser as the pomade to keep his hair so slick and now I can't think of anything else.
I think that's what happens to your hair when you don't get a shower, just a disinfecting spray from time to time. Can't imagine the smell in there...
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Oh, and MIND BLOWN about one revelation. Vel Sartha is Mon Mothma's cousin?!?!?! This is getting more interesting.
Yeah, I wonder if that connection will be the one that gets Mon Mothma more front and center in the Rebellion (something happens to Vel).
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I have really enjoyed the characterization of Mon Mothma, it has very much colored my interpretation of her even in Return of the Jedi.
She was so horrified to learn what Luthen had done on Aldahni. She made it known she cut ties with Saw's Partisans because of their willingness to act as terrorists, and even was absolutely resigned to let the Death Star rule the galaxy through fear in Rogue One (at least until Admiral Raddus's military leanings forced her hand.) She was so broken up over the deaths of Bothan spies that she couldn't even finish her speech in Jedi. Now we see she doesn't want to further her cause through the use of "thugs" who operate outside the law.
This is a person who truly believes she can topple the Empire by talking sense and appealing to people's better natures. Every military action is a concession for her, a failure of reason. Yet she winds up heading a paramilitary force, not because it's the only way necessarily, but because it's the only group of individuals in the galaxy that seems to align with the bulk of her views.
I heard that in the Rebels TV show she had this big moment of breaking from the Senate and the Empire and declaring her own Rebellion, but that might be playing it a bit too thick. I hope Andor gives more nuance to the fact that she has to leave that life of Senatorial opulence behind and find her own way.
I really do love everything this show has thrown at me.
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I have really enjoyed the characterization of Mon Mothma, it has very much colored my interpretation of her even in Return of the Jedi.
She was so horrified to learn what Luthen had done on Aldahni. . Now we see she doesn't want to further her cause through the use of "thugs" who operate outside the law.
I'm guessing she has no idea that Vel was part of the Aldahni mission, but it does appear she knows that Vel is working with Luthen in some capacity. I wonder if Luthen has cells all around the galaxy doing things.
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I wonder if Luthen has cells all around the galaxy doing things.
I believe that during one of the ISB meetings, there was discussion of "Axis" and there being an organized effort against the Empire. Whether the ISB's intelligence has "Axis" connected with the Partisans and other resistance groups, I don't recall. But it seems Luthen plays it a bit distantly with other groups while having his own agenda.
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I wonder if Luthen has cells all around the galaxy doing things.
I believe that during one of the ISB meetings, there was discussion of "Axis" and there being an organized effort against the Empire. Whether the ISB's intelligence has "Axis" connected with the Partisans and other resistance groups, I don't recall. But it seems Luthen plays it a bit distantly with other groups while having his own agenda.
It seems like Dedra Meero is in the process of putting together the pieces. That the theft of all of this Imperial equipment has been a coordinated effort. And that point of coordination is code named "Axis" by the ISB until they can identify who it is. I suspect that it's Luthen. His job isn't just selling antiquities to his customers on Coruscant - it's also acquiring them from all over the galaxy. That's afforded him a suitable cover story for now.
Another thing that I think might not have gotten enough attention? Luthen's meeting with Saw Gerrera. Clearly it was tense. And Saw didn't agree to partner with Anto Kreegyr on a mission. But then Saw rattled off the names of a number of factions. Factions that Luthen might be trying to pull together to form an Alliance, perhaps? But Kreegyr's operation may be in jeopardy now because the ISB seems to be in the process of infiltrating his cell.
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OMG! The Andor Instagram account just posted this.
Eedy Karn Supercut (https://www.instagram.com/p/Cklc4C5vHCn/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
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I like how the actress that plays Dedra makes her so twitchy. Its like she's angry/socially awkward/evil all rolled together and its hard for her to keep it bottled up.
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“Never more than twelve” (crowd goes wild!)
The prison sort of reminds me of the cloning facility on Kamino.
Mon really needs to take five minutes to sit down with her daughter and say seriously, wtf is your problem? I am convinced at this point that either she or Perrin is going to betray her.
It is difficult to see a path forward for Syril at this point. The Empire is 100% not bringing him in to help find Cassian obviously, and Deedra has warned him twice now to stay away from her and out of her business. The only logical thing I can see them doing with him is having him go full Fatal Obsession on her and either kill her or somehow otherwise ruin her plans. I can’t see him as anything other than a wild card monkey wrench.
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I can see Dedra going against her better judgement and turning to Syril to have somebody on the outside to do some dirty work for her, since it is apparent her assistant is now overstepping his bounds in a possible play for her job. She was warned to watch her back, and now has someone hopelessly devoted to her...will she be able to resist that advantage?
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I can see Dedra going against her better judgement and turning to Syril to have somebody on the outside to do some dirty work for her, since it is apparent her assistant is now overstepping his bounds in a possible play for her job. She was warned to watch her back, and now has someone hopelessly devoted to her...will she be able to resist that advantage?
This is what I'm thinking too. She is going to need an outsider to do something. He's kind of a hopeless sort, so I'm thinking its not going to work out for him.
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I can see Dedra going against her better judgement and turning to Syril to have somebody on the outside to do some dirty work for her, since it is apparent her assistant is now overstepping his bounds in a possible play for her job. She was warned to watch her back, and now has someone hopelessly devoted to her...will she be able to resist that advantage?
I'll be intrigued if Meero's assistant does double cross her. All the previous interactions seemed to convey warmth or devotion from him.
I just rewatched the Rebels episode with Mon Mothma. I didn't recall that it was the massacre of the Ghormans that kicks off her rebellion.
Also, Mon seems to be always concerned about some race we've never heard of. Ghormans ... Bothans
<<Having sympathized with the Ghormans since the Empire cut off their shipping lanes, Mothma left the Senate in the aftermath of the Ghorman Massacre, publicly denouncing Emperor Palpatine in the process.>>
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mon_Mothma
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Wow. Its rare that caring for a newborn gives you great opportunities, but catching today's Andor before work was the right call. It was nuts.
Its pretty crazy how I was initially a little bored by the story dumping Cassian in a prison. It's wild to see the writers build this plan and have it explode into a ton of guys sticking it to the empire. I was a little surprised to see only Melshi make it to the same coastline as Cassian. I thought a sizable group might make it to a coastal base and make off with a ship. Maybe that will still happen. The rebel fleet trooper blasters were cool and another reason I thought Cassian Melshi and a bunch of others would escape as a unit with their new rebel firearms.
Its also cool to hear the line about how important this production line is and how the empire really needs it. There's no way these aren't death star parts.
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Yeah, great episode, although I'd preferred they were able to commandeer a ship right away and be off to the next adventure. I'm looking forward to the eventual meeting between Cassian and Luthen or his team, but now I'm not so sure that is going to still happen this season with only two episodes left.
I was hoping he would become a rebel sooner, and we could get some other cool missions mixed in. With next season only being 12 episodes too and supposedly bringing us up to Rogue One I guess we're not going to get too many adventures of Cassian. This is honestly something that they could have many seasons of with different missions in 3-4 show arcs.
I'm loving it and want more.
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With next season only being 12 episodes too and supposedly bringing us up to Rogue One I guess we're not going to get too many adventures of Cassian. This is honestly something that they could have many seasons of with different missions in 3-4 show arcs.
I'm loving it and want more.
Two seasons would be a mistake at this point. I'm hoping momentum builds in reception to the show and they consider expanding the story. I would be happy to have five seasons with one for each of these five years before Yavin.
Before this episode I started considering who is or was Luthen Rael. In this episode he explained what it's like to be him but no details. He clearly is a skilled pilot, a decent hand-to-hand fighter, good with a blaster, very adept at subterfuge and has access to funds and deep intelligence sources. His 15-year timeline mean's he launched his plan around order 66 and the birth of the empire or maybe a year before If Luke and Leia are 19 at the Battle of Yavin.
Maybe he's a reverse Dooku and had intent to stand against the republic, but in opposition to Palpatine. Maybe he was aware the clone war was a lie but had access to the slush of republic funds and resources to be ready to go nuclear once Palpatine crushed the republic and formed the empire. He could have been deep in republic intelligence similar to Tarkin but with such a deep cover that few people were aware of him or think he's dead.
I am wondering if his antiquities are all genuine or if fakes are part of his scheme. If its all genuine he has crazy Indiana Jones style connections throughout the galaxy. Either way he has some culture and enough schmoozing to pull it off.
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I need closure on what happened to Kino! Poor guy, he had to know what was coming.
I was surprised they just jumped out, I thought for sure they would be stealing ships or something. It sure made for a dramatic exit though.
I thought Luthen’s speech to Lonni (?) was some of the best writing in the entire franchise. What a great scene that was…
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His 15-year timeline mean's he launched his plan around order 66
I'm starting to wonder if he's a Jedi...
"I share my dreams with ghosts"
--His fallen Jedi, killed in Order 66?
"I'm damned for what I do"
--Yoda said, 'once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will'
"My anger, my ego, my unwillingness to yield"
"I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy."
Sounds like a guy very concerned he's acting Sith-like to me...
Maybe, maybe not - it's fun to speculate though! ;)
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His 15-year timeline mean's he launched his plan around order 66
I'm starting to wonder if he's a Jedi...
"I share my dreams with ghosts"
I have wondered that too. He would really be a reverse Dooku if that true. I do wonder if that's too cliché though. His background seems too unique to be a jedi, but maybe he was a very unusual jedi similar to Dooku.
Though Kleya is also an interesting piece of the puzzle. She is deeply committed to the cause and to Luthen. Maybe she's the padawan? Their connection is hard to peice together. If they arent force users they have some early ties to put them together as such a close team.
And then there is Vel. The network seems to have been around for a while.
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I hope Luthen isn't a Jedi, and is just a pissed off dude that is driving some of the inner workings of the early rebellion.
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I hope Luthen isn't a Jedi, and is just a pissed off dude that is driving some of the inner workings of the early rebellion.
I agree. Though now I'm recalling my failed idea that Luthen was Vel's dad due to how he barked at her when he drops off Cassian. Mon mothma was definitely wary of Palpatine for a long time, but I wonder how Vel is devoted to the rebellion and committed to destruction.
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His 15-year timeline mean's he launched his plan around order 66
I'm starting to wonder if he's a Jedi...
"I share my dreams with ghosts"
--His fallen Jedi, killed in Order 66?
"I'm damned for what I do"
--Yoda said, 'once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will'
"My anger, my ego, my unwillingness to yield"
"I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy."
Sounds like a guy very concerned he's acting Sith-like to me...
Maybe, maybe not - it's fun to speculate though! ;)
There's also the matter of the Kyber crystal!
But I suspect that the show isn't going to go there, since one of the things that's at the heart of the show has been how ordinary people rise up to strike back. Still, not all of those chosen by the Jedi went on to become padawans with a Jedi Master. There were the younglings whose talents were deemed insufficient for further training that would go on to be in the agricultural corps. They still would have been trained at the Jedi Temple up until that age of selection, so they knew Masters, Jedi and other younglings who went on to become padawans and eventually Jedi Knights.
It was stunning to learn that Luthen had a mole within the ISB. What I really appreciated about this subplot was the espionage tradecraft - Kleya finding the first mark, and then the second that indicated that Lonni Jung wanted to meet with Luthen. This was clearly worked out - how Lonni was in plainclothes and working his way into the underworld of Coruscant. The concealment of the commlink. And the contingency plan if the meeting was a trap. Luthen had clearly been keeping tabs on Lonni, too. Knowing about his daughter being born despite them not having met in a year. And making the veiled threat about the safety of his family.
The prison break was fantastic. As was Kino Loy's change of heart. Andy Serkis played this so unbelievably well. From the moment he let the entire 52 D unit know that no one was getting out, to the moment he commanded them to attack the guards, his speech to the entire prison, and then the heartbreaking moment when he told Cassian that he couldn't swim.
The characterization of the guards as functionaries who were scared, and the slimy toadies in the control center showed just how tenuous the hold of the Empire really was. As for how Cassian and Melshi get off of Narkina 5? I guess we have to wait until Wednesday to find out.
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Holy crap is Luthen a badass. I loved the look on the Star Destroyer commander's face when he got his ass kicked by Luthen.
And was that what I thought it was on his belt that Two Tubes and crew inspected?!?!?!
I loved all the spy stuff with Luthen, and that he absolutely didn't want Cassian to fall into the hands of the Empire.
Something tells me we'll have a serious showdown next week back on Ferrix for the season finale.
I was bummed to see Melshi and Cassian split up, but I guess we know that they'll get reunited at some point, hopefully soon.
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Luthen used a collapsible walking stick when he was on Ferrix. .
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So that was a collapsable walking stick and not a lightsaber? It did look like it was wood, but it did look like a lightsaber hilt too.
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So that was a collapsable walking stick and not a lightsaber? It did look like it was wood, but it did look like a lightsaber hilt too.
Yeah, I went back and rewatched Episode 3 and that collapsible stick / fake blind guy cane he had on ferrix is the same as what he had in the last episode.
Of course, just because it's a collapsable cane handle now doesn't mean it wasn't his old lightsaber hilt. ;)
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So that was a collapsable walking stick and not a lightsaber? It did look like it was wood, but it did look like a lightsaber hilt too.
Yeah, I went back and rewatched Episode 3 and that collapsible stick / fake blind guy cane he had on ferrix is the same as what he had in the last episode.
Of course, just because it's a collapsable cane handle now doesn't mean it wasn't his old lightsaber hilt. ;)
Its funny you guys are going this route. I'm starting to agree and think Luthen being a gray jedi is more likely given how he seems to know everything. He definitely has sources, spies, and technology working for him but he still seems to know everything except for the rats nest inside of Saw's mind. I'm starting to think he has a Palpatine level of reach into other people's heads.
Also Kleya and Vel having a rivalry seems to be real. I went back and watched their conversation in episode 7. I recall Kleya was firm, but now I see it was a pretty similiar icy tone there as in episode 11. Apparently Vel is not supposed to just show up like that, which she did in both episodes.
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I want a show on Disney+ focused on Luthen's backstory.
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That business with Luthen and the Imperial cruiser was some of the best Star Wars ever.
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Hell, I like to pause whenever they are in Luthen's gallery and look at all the crazy stuff in there!
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Hell, I like to pause whenever they are in Luthen's gallery and look at all the crazy stuff in there!
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Last week's Starwars.com gallery of Episode 10 pointed out a Naboo headdress similar to what Padme wore. I also noticed a Gungan electroshield this week too. I know previous galleries pointed out a Wookiee warrior shield too.
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It begs the question how Luthen was able to amass all of these. artifacts
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Hell, I like to pause whenever they are in Luthen's gallery and look at all the crazy stuff in there!
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Last week's Starwars.com gallery of Episode 10 pointed out a Naboo headdress similar to what Padme wore. I also noticed a Gungan electroshield this week too. I know previous galleries pointed out a Wookiee warrior shield too.
My eyes went to the Jedi Temple Guard mask this week.
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I was more perplexed by what was going on with B2-EM0 this week than Luthen's heritage.
In the early episodes, the very clunky and odd bit of data about Bee needing extra energy to lie was delivered, they made a little joke out of it. In this episode, they made mention of the fact that he has been charging constantly ever since Maarva died, they showed that he's actively charging with the indicator light on his face blinking, and he wouldn't even leave home when it was requested of him.
Is this a hint that Bee is lying about something? Is Maarva up to something/was up to something and now he feels obligated to finish it, or potentially his apparent grief is his clumsy attempt to act normal knowing that Maarva's death was faked?
I have not been hypothesizing what will happen with this show because it has been so curveball-filled and I have been enjoying just letting it play out, but this all seemed to unfold in a very "payoff" way to that odd lying fact from the earlier episodes, so I got intrigued, but I haven't seen anyone else mention it around. Maybe I'm crazy.
Also I absolutely loved the Cantwell-class Arrestor, specifically since they gave it that class. I remember seeing the model in one of the early 90's NF Star Wars books. (Lucasfilm Archives or something?) and thinking how different a take on the Star Destroyer it was. Never did I expect to see one made to fit the universe...and from what I understand this was just fortuitous for the show, since the 3D computer model used was built up for the Solo movie but the scene got cut (It is still in the film, but just barely in the recruitment hologram on Correlia.) So it was unique, and ready-to-go, and already paid for! Good budgeting! Now get Colin's Landspeeder into a show, somebody!
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So that was a collapsable walking stick and not a lightsaber? It did look like it was wood, but it did look like a lightsaber hilt too.
It's a pepper grinder.
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In the early episodes, the very clunky and odd bit of data about Bee needing extra energy to lie was delivered, they made a little joke out of it. In this episode, they made mention of the fact that he has been charging constantly ever since Maarva died, they showed that he's actively charging with the indicator light on his face blinking, and he wouldn't even leave home when it was requested of him.
Is this a hint that Bee is lying about something? Is Maarva up to something/was up to something and now he feels obligated to finish it, or potentially his apparent grief is his clumsy attempt to act normal knowing that Maarva's death was faked?
This is a good catch. I think you're on to something. I don't want to speculate on my thoughts on what might happen if there is a plan in place that Bee is aware of. Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow.
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So that was a collapsable walking stick and not a lightsaber? It did look like it was wood, but it did look like a lightsaber hilt too.
It's a pepper grinder.
Someone found a closeup of the Black Series mural for Luthen. It appears to be some kind of a knife.
But I share your disappointment, Matt. It would have made for a fine pepper grinder.
BTW, did anyone else appreciate the designation of the Imperial cruiser as a Cantwell class ship? It was nice to see designer Colin Cantwell get that kind of nod in the show.
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BTW, did anyone else appreciate the designation of the Imperial cruiser as a Cantwell class ship? It was nice to see designer Colin Cantwell get that kind of nod in the show.
Also I absolutely loved the Cantwell-class Arrestor, specifically since they gave it that class. I remember seeing the model in one of the early 90's NF Star Wars books. (Lucasfilm Archives or something?) and thinking how different a take on the Star Destroyer it was. Never did I expect to see one made to fit the universe...and from what I understand this was just fortuitous for the show, since the 3D computer model used was built up for the Solo movie but the scene got cut (It is still in the film, but just barely in the recruitment hologram on Correlia.) So it was unique, and ready-to-go, and already paid for! Good budgeting! Now get Colin's Landspeeder into a show, somebody!
I did. :P
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No time for details, but damn the finale was amazing. Ferrix is now as important as any world in this story.
I am someone who like The Last Jedi, but I would say this is the kind of arthouse story Rian Johnson wished he had made.
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I’ll wait another day to post comments, but damn that was sweet.
Make sure you catch the end scene after the credits and before the international credits.
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I noticed Andor Episode 1 was being broadcast on ABC tonight. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Disney+ shows on cable or network TV. I wonder if they’re going to show the whole season or if they’re using it as a teaser to try and pull people in to a Disney+ subscription.
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Too avoid spoilers for folks I won't say anything but....wow!
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I know it is early still... but man, Andor might be my favorite Disney-era show/movie, and it honestly is in the running for my favorite Star Wars media, period. I LOVED IT.
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I haven’t been in here because after the three episodes on opening night I waited and binged it all this week.
To me it isn’t a question, it’s hands down the best Star Wars since the original trilogy. It’s serious and gritty and has gravitas. It’s grappling with huge themes and concepts and archetypes without simultaneously trying to pander to the widest possible audience and age range. The production value is sky high. The performances are rock solid throughout on every level. 10 out of 10, perfection. I can’t wait until season two.
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Time (https://time.com/6234534/andor-best-star-wars-show/) magazine had an interesting writeup about the show talking about how this is the best Disney+ show they’ve made so far, but most people don’t appreciate it. Most of the Disney+ stuff is very kid oriented with lots of cameos, while Andor is adult oriented with no real cameos or obvious kid focus (with a cure character like Grogu).
I thought this show was 95% perfect. I loved that there were no Jedi, and no Sith Lords, just regular people on both sides of the conflict. I loved the story arcs and how Cassian went from a mercenary to a anti-imperial rebel volunteer.
The only thing that I thought wasn’t perfect was the Aldhani story arc. It really should have been tightened up and shortened by about 30%. Some of that dragged too much, but ultimately I thought the other story arcs and the whole scope was really, really good.
Probably 400% better than BoBF.
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I have to say that the end of season 1 of ANDOR really delivered! I was not sure what to expect of this series before it began. And I was even more unsure after that first episode. But the place setting for everything was done in such a painstaking way. Characters were well written and developed. And the whole three episode arc method really gave the show a series of milestones that built things up in an organic way. So when we got to the final episode it came to that breaking point.
Building seemed to be a recurring theme of the series. Luthen was building up his network of operatives and spies. He was building up Cassian from a thief into an operative. Vel Sartha was building up her team for the Aldhani raid. Dedra Meero was building her career as a senior ISB officer. The Empire was unwittingly building resolve among the people of Ferrix with their oppressive tactics and callous disregard for the populace. Cassian was LITERALLY building things along with the other inmates on Narkina 5. And it seems that Luthen was trying to build an alliance between rebel factions.
I did not know what to expect from Fiona Shaw when I saw that she was cast in the series. Maybe I still associated her with Harry Potter's mean aunt from those films. But that speech in "Rix Road"? She knocked that out of the park! I just watched it again and it gave me the chills.
Luthen clearly achieved what he had set out to do with the Aldhani job. He secured funding for the movement, and in the process he manipulated the Empire into showing who they really were. There still appears to be no established Rebel Alliance. But it seems like that's prime material for the next season. And the seeds are clearly being planted. The scene with the KX enforcer droid. Melshi being imprisoned and escaping with Cassian. And of course, that beautiful post credits scene!
BTW, did anyone else appreciate the designation of the Imperial cruiser as a Cantwell class ship? It was nice to see designer Colin Cantwell get that kind of nod in the show.
Also I absolutely loved the Cantwell-class Arrestor, specifically since they gave it that class. I remember seeing the model in one of the early 90's NF Star Wars books. (Lucasfilm Archives or something?) and thinking how different a take on the Star Destroyer it was. Never did I expect to see one made to fit the universe...and from what I understand this was just fortuitous for the show, since the 3D computer model used was built up for the Solo movie but the scene got cut (It is still in the film, but just barely in the recruitment hologram on Correlia.) So it was unique, and ready-to-go, and already paid for! Good budgeting! Now get Colin's Landspeeder into a show, somebody!
I did. :P
Yes!
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I watched the finale again and loved it even more the second time.
At first I thought Cassian's jump to the rebel cause and statement to Luthen to "kill him or take me in" was a little sudden/extreme, but re-watching the episode it was great to see his interactions with his friends on Ferrix, his visual responses to Maarva's speech, etc. This all made a lot more sense on the second view. I think originally Cassian was going to leave with Bix and his friends, but realized he couldn't keep running and hiding, and that he wanted to move to a more active participation mode in the Rebellion.
This was a fantastic, adult oriented Star Wars series. I still like The Mandalorian and the more kid oriented content, but its great they can do something more serious and adult in the same universe.
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There was one moment in "Rix Road" that had strong echoes of a scene in ROGUE ONE.
The scene in RO was on Eadu, when Cassian was about to kill Galen Erso. He had Galen in his sights and was ready to pull the trigger. But then something struck him. A moment of his conscience telling him this was wrong? I actually took it as the Force speaking to Cassian, and it guided him to do spare Galen.
In "Rix Road", the moment that struck me was when Cassian was hiding in the attic of that building overlooking the square. A breeze blew through, and it looked like something resonated with him. And then the shot cut to Bix in her cell at the Imperial offices. It seemed like such a similar moment for Cassian. Whether or not he was Force sensitive is irrelevant. But perhaps this is how the Force connects to ordinary people when they're thrust into extraordinary situations? Because it seemed like he somehow knew exactly where to find Bix.
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There was one moment in "Rix Road" that had strong echoes of a scene in ROGUE ONE.
The scene in RO was on Eadu, when Cassian was about to kill Galen Erso. He had Galen in his sights and was ready to pull the trigger. But then something struck him. A moment of his conscience telling him this was wrong? I actually took it as the Force speaking to Cassian, and it guided him to do spare Galen.
In "Rix Road", the moment that struck me was when Cassian was hiding in the attic of that building overlooking the square. A breeze blew through, and it looked like something resonated with him. And then the shot cut to Bix in her cell at the Imperial offices. It seemed like such a similar moment for Cassian. Whether or not he was Force sensitive is irrelevant. But perhaps this is how the Force connects to ordinary people when they're thrust into extraordinary situations? Because it seemed like he somehow knew exactly where to find Bix.
I think you are overthinking how he found her. Everybody tells him Bix is in the hotel and the cook in the hotel tells him where to go.
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Regarding where precisely to find Bix? Maybe. But watch the scene again. Specifically at 29:33. Look at Cassian and Bix.
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In "Rix Road", the moment that struck me was when Cassian was hiding in the attic of that building overlooking the square. A breeze blew through, and it looked like something resonated with him.
Regarding where precisely to find Bix? Maybe. But watch the scene again. Specifically at 29:33. Look at Cassian and Bix.
I think this scene was just Cassian's awakening to his larger potential and change of heart about switching from a self interested mercenary to being an active part of the Rebellion. Pulling back to about 27 minutes you can see Cassian spotting Luthen and then later spots Dedre (he only recognizes her as an ISB officer). The wind is a nice movie effect that shows realization of something critical. He realizes these people are here for him and that he and the rebellion has become a bit of a big deal, and that he can have a much larger impact than he realized.
Whatever plan he had gets changed in this moment and he leaves the attic.
Maybe there is more about force sensitivity there, but I think its just a regular man realizing he has a much larger role to play in the universe and he needs to get moving. I think Bix is just a small part that helps show Cassian's compassion for his friends.
In this scene there is a little bit of a parallel with Luthen as well. I think he thought going to Ferrix would be a straightforward assassination of Cassian and that this was a fairly unimportant backwater world, but multiple cuts to him show his reactions to the upwelling of rebellion on Ferrix, and the people that are assembled to capture/kill Cassian. He recognizes Syril and his security buddy. He sees Dedra. And at each step you can see him doing the mental math about all the people assembled to get Cassian and how Cassian is maybe a bigger deal than he realized. And when the fighting starts he realizes this is probably exactly what he wants - its messy and out of control and he decides his work of Ferrix is done for now.
Either way, these four minutes of Cassian's awakening is an awesome scene and really the climax of the whole series.
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Regarding where precisely to find Bix? Maybe. But watch the scene again. Specifically at 29:33. Look at Cassian and Bix.
I watched it again for the fourth time. I think there is something to be said for the culture of Ferrix and the impact of the music and Maarva's speech on its people. Bix and Cassian are the two people experiencing all that from a distance, both from being imprisoned away from normal Ferrix life for a while and from the current distance of not being out among their people in the procession.
Maybe Cassian is feeling the force, but tradition and Maarva are drumming up courage inside of all the citizens in that moment. My guess is that was Tony Gilroy’s point.
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After letting a little time pass I've begun re-watching the whole series and just finished the first story arc. Its even better on the second watching after knowing how it all plays out, watching the bit characters playing their roles and seeing small things I missed before now knowing the ultimate result.
One question I have that I've not seen explained anywhere is Cassian's Kenari tribe when he was young. What is the deal with the Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome / Lord of the Flies setup where its only kids in a small community seemingly fending for themselves? I know there was a "mining accident" and you can see an abandoned quarry in Episodes 2&3, but its not clear if the tribe's situation is related to the mining accident or not. Has anyone come across an explanation of what was going on there with Cassian's tribe?
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I have seen no official explanation, but I kind of figured the accident we see the remnants of in the quarry killed everyone inside, leaving just the non working children alive on the planet. And when the Republic /Empire found out (probably right after the Andors left) they purged the planet to keep the story quiet.
I heard that the only reason we flashed back to Kanari was because Tony Gilroy got a bug in his head about really needing to explain why Cassian 's accent was so different from everyone else. It was one little detail he had to lock down before he could move on to the story in general.
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I finished rewatching the whole series and I've got to say its so much more enjoyable when you can watch these all in a row rather than wait a week between episodes. There is really only one part that is a little slow (Aldhani) but when you don't have to wait a week in between episodes its far less annoying.
This show is so well done. Everything holds together without head scratching plot holes, nonsensical dialog, random character arcs, etc. I've mentioned it multiple times, but I think the only thing I would do is speed up the Aldhani mission episodes. Its not super critical to character or plot development other than to show that Cassian is only in it for the money.
This show is clearly aimed at a more mature audience, and I love it. Mandalorian is still good for its pulpy fun, but this is so well done on so many levels. The writing and dialog are absolutely fantastic.
I'm going to post in the 3.75" figure section some thoughts on toys they should do (and will probably never do under the current leadership). I'd love to have at least 20 figures from this season alone.
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Diego Luna was talking about ANDOR season 2 on the red carpet at the Emmys last night. He said that there are only a few days of shooting left for season 2. It's great to hear that, because this might be the series that I'm the most excited about seeing return to Disney+.
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Diego Luna was talking about ANDOR season 2 on the red carpet at the Emmys last night. He said that there are only a few days of shooting left for season 2. It's great to hear that, because this might be the series that I'm the most excited about seeing return to Disney+.
Without a doubt, in my opinion, this is by far the best series they've put out for Star Wars. There have been a few moments in The Mandalorian that were a blast, but overall Andor has been consistently great.