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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => Rogue One => Topic started by: Nicklab on August 15, 2016, 07:44 PM
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Check out this posting at From 4-LOM to Zuckuss (http://4lomkuss.com/first-look-at-rogue-ones-hasbro-u-wing-starfighter/). They've got our first glimpse of what look like official Hasbro images of the 3.75" U-Wing Starfighter. This vehicle also includes a 3.75" Captain Cassian Andor figure ..... and Nerf action features.
These images appear to have leaked from a French product listing that was posted a little early. The vehicle definitely looks scaled down. And the original article stated that they think the price point will be around $50.
STAR WARS – E7 CLASS HERO III STARFIGHTER VEHICLE
A new vehicle on the scene with the NERF strike force! A magnificent ship to ship your figurines and launch missiles.Nerve! Vehicle up figurines 10 cm.MEGA compatible with Nerf darts.
(http://4lomkuss.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2016-08-15_1159.png)
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Definitely scaled way down. Glad to see it but the deciding factor to me will be whether there's a troop compartment under there that will accommodate a couple figures. If not, then no thanks. Looks good though. Appears the swept wing feature is present.
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Wow, yeah that looks really underscaled (not that that's a surprise these days). Maybe they designed it based off pictures without really knowing it was a troop carrier... reminds me of how undersized the Sith Infiltrator was kinda.
Maybe I'll just pretend there are different versions of this thing, kinda the same way there were Republic Gunship variants for different purposes - troop transport, cargo transport, etc. This one can be the "solo pilot" bomber type thing #collectorrationalizing
I'll probably end up buying it eventually (since there probably won't be too many other vehicles if things play out like TFA did), but I'll probably wait for a decent discount/sale.
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I'm thinking they probably didn't get confused by early art/pics as the Lego version appears to be accurate to the production ship. I'd rather Hasbro went the extra mile and charged the extra $$$ to make a truly representative toy. Probably that's a $100 nowadays. The more I look at the pic, the more I think it's impossible there's any kind of troop compartment under there. The compartment is probably not open or functional. If so that's a huge disappointment.
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I'm going to be tempted to hold off on most of the vehicles this time around... I paid way way too much for those crappy speeders and walkers, half of which didn't even appear in the movie. I bought two TIE's and two X-Wings at full price, all of it's on clearance now.
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One will probably end up in my son's room.
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I'm thinking they probably didn't get confused by early art/pics as the Lego version appears to be accurate to the production ship.
Maybe. LEGO's production/development time is a lot shorter than Hasbro's though. Not as many new parts to spec out and majority of their manufacturing is controlled by them.
Eh, no matter what, we all knew it was going to be way underscaled anyway. Especially with the AT-ACT already occupying the "big thing" slot for 2016.
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I'll reserve judgement for now, but have no problem with them significantly downscaling a large ship. I think that is really the only way these things can work economically.
From a kid perspective I have no problem with a $50 significantly downscaled toy as opposed to a $150 slightly downscaled toy.
As a collector with a fat enough wallet to pay for expense stuff I would prefer they made more $200 toys - e-wing, The Ghost, etc., but I'm sure the market just wont support things like that and completely understand them going smaller.
I'm sure Hasbro has good numbers on sales volumes, profits, price points, etc. on how many of the $150 MF ships they sold vs. the $50 X-Wings.
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If five different companies can do 6" figures I don't see why another company can't step up and make properly scaled "SW vehicle collectibles" that are actually representative of the onscreen source material.
Hasbro can keep making their ****** under scaled Nerf toys, and we collectors can get stuff like The Ghost and Kylo Ren's shuttle that actually go with the figures we buy. WIN WIN!
I'm just spitballing here, I know all the factors that would combine to make this highly improbable. But I would be more than happy to shell out $100 or more for a quality Ghost, even if I had to have it shipped from Japan.
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Didn't know that about the LEGO development time. Explains some things, like why Kylo's shuttle was black from the get go from them and not the initial white that Hasbro had on at least the Titanium (changed late in production).
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If five different companies can do 6" figures I don't see why another company can't step up and make properly scaled "SW vehicle collectibles" that are actually representative of the onscreen source material.
Hasbro can keep making their ****** under scaled Nerf toys, and we collectors can get stuff like The Ghost and Kylo Ren's shuttle that actually go with the figures we buy. WIN WIN!
I'm just spitballing here, I know all the factors that would combine to make this highly improbable. But I would be more than happy to shell out $100 or more for a quality Ghost, even if I had to have it shipped from Japan.
I don't like being Mr. Wet Blanket, but I don't think $100 would even get you the Galactic Heroes version of the Ghost if it was coming from a smaller company doing a more limited run. If you were looking at a figure-sized Ghost with some kind of playset-like features on the inside to interact with figures and the existing Phantom, near the size of the TFA Falcon, I feel like a far more realistic price would be somewhere more in the ballpark of $600-$800.
As for the U-Wing, I like it and am tempted to get this toy. The TFA TIEs, X-Wings, and Speeders had no pull on me at all, so this is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.
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I like the swing-wing feature. And the design of the cockpit is somewhat like that of a Y-wing. As for it being underscaled? That's definitely disappointing. And so is the Nerf feature. But I have to wonder how much it would have cost if it were more appropriately scaled. Would it be sized somewhere between the ARC-170 and Republic Gunship? How much would a new vehicle tool cost consumers?
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If five different companies can do 6" figures I don't see why another company can't step up and make properly scaled "SW vehicle collectibles" that are actually representative of the onscreen source material.
Hasbro can keep making their ****** under scaled Nerf toys, and we collectors can get stuff like The Ghost and Kylo Ren's shuttle that actually go with the figures we buy. WIN WIN!
I'm just spitballing here, I know all the factors that would combine to make this highly improbable. But I would be more than happy to shell out $100 or more for a quality Ghost, even if I had to have it shipped from Japan.
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I wish there was some happy medium here. I get that Hasbro wants to scale it down because of costs, limited shelf footprint, play factor, etc. But they clearly could have made this a little bigger like the $40-50 X-Wing and TIEs we got for TFA. I don't care so much that its to scale, but when the movie clip shows two people in the cockpit and this clearly only seats one, that's a big miss for me. Skimp on the cargo hold or other areas if you need to. That's the best part of the BMF for me - the fact that you can get four figures in the cockpit the way you see it in the movie. I'm less excited about the design than most people anyway, so this is another one I'll probably wait on for a sale.
As for 3P companies, you would be surprised what's out there for other toy lines. The Masterpiece Transformers market has several 3P companies constantly releasing new items, to the point where there is probably 3-4 times as many 3P products coming out as official Hasbro figures. Despite being smaller, their costs are typically on par with what Hasbro is charging. What they lack in volume and staff, they make up for in not having overhead, marketing, etc. And once the design is out there, there are copycat companies that reproduce a fair amount of official and 3P figures for a fourth of the cost.
Here's an example - a 3P company called Warbotron made a Combaticons set, with all five individual bots that transform into their own vehicle, then also combine to form Bruticus. The designs and quality are incredible. You could buy the set for about $450, but that's under $100 per figure and these are far more complex designs than a standard figure/playset/ship given that they need to transform into multiple things. Once these were on the market, two different companies started producing knock-offs with different color designs. You can buy a knock off version, which apparently has similar quality standards, for about $20 a bot.
So, the dream of having 3P companies produce ships isn't that unrealistic from a "can they do it" aspect. There just hasn't been much of this in the Star Wars space for some reason. Hasbro is probably more protective of the Star Wars property internationally, and I think there's some loop holes in getting around the licensing depending on the country of origin. They would just need to be creative in keeping it differentiated enough to not incur copyright infringement.
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I'll reserve judgement for now, but have no problem with them significantly downscaling a large ship. I think that is really the only way these things can work economically.
From a kid perspective I have no problem with a $50 significantly downscaled toy as opposed to a $150 slightly downscaled toy.
As a collector with a fat enough wallet to pay for expense stuff I would prefer they made more $200 toys - e-wing, The Ghost, etc., but I'm sure the market just wont support things like that and completely understand them going smaller.
I'm sure Hasbro has good numbers on sales volumes, profits, price points, etc. on how many of the $150 MF ships they sold vs. the $50 X-Wings.
Nonsense. The Galactic Heroes Ghost is about 50% of how big a Hasbro version should be and it clocks in at $30 with plenty of accessories and play features.
No reason Hasbro couldn't do a very decent, mostly correctly sized, version for $100.
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A Rebelscum forum member posted some shots of the back of the box (http://forum.rebelscum.com/showthread.php?t=1129951&page=13&p=19840982&viewfull=1#post19840982).
Looks like it confirms non-removable (but retractible) NERF cannon, single-seat cockpit, and no room for troops on bottom (thanks to the NERF).
Also, between that horrible 2-pack Poe and the paint job on Cassian here, it's sure looking like Hasbro is using a new factory for Rogue One stuff. New factories ALWAYS mess up the eyes until they work out the kinks (I'm looking at you, Indiana Jones toyline, which used a first time factory and had horrible eye deco on wave 1/2).
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Damned Nerf features. Especially when they eat up real estate in a vehicle that could have been devoted to space for figures.
It's a little funny though. I've been doing some work on my collection room, clearing some space so that I can put up some shelving, with the goal of displaying a lot of my collection. And in the process I came across my CLONE WARS Y-wing. I hadn't really done anything with that Y-wing in a while. But in the process of moving it a few of the missiles and bombs fired off. And I was surprised by how many action features are on that ship! But then again, that Y-wing did have space for 2 pilots plus a droid socket. I really would have liked to see something similar in this new U-wing.
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I figured i'd be a tall order to do the troop carrier thing with this, but it's still bordering on impressive. At least the nerf feature is more discreet.
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Surprised to read this is already out in Canada...maybe they are beyond the litigious grasp of the Mouse up there though.
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I bet RS may get a call from the lawyers. But this close to the line launch they have to be prepared for some leaks to occur.
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It's pretty disappointing the primary aspect of the U-Wing (troop carrier) was sacrificed for the NERF thing. Definitely a play value thing for the kids but this is the first vehicle of the new movies where I was like 'I really want that!' Oh, well.
And the eyes! Hopefully that is not a widespread thing.
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That little Clone Wars "mini-rig"drop ship thing deposited more troops.
I guess they mean it transports one trooper at time...he has to fly the ship himself. No astromech to fly it back.
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That figure's beard is atrocious looking. The eyes are crooked again too.
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I wasn't planning on picking this up anyway but I'm honestly shocked it took this long for NERF stuff to migrate. I wish they'd make the guns a detachable feature ala 08 vehicles, but that kind of ingenuity seems missing from the team these days overall.
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From the Official Hasbro Press Release:
ROGUE ONE: A STAR WARS STORY 3.75-INCH REBEL U-WING FIGHTER Vehicle
(Ages 4 years & up/Approx. Retail Price: $49.99/Available: Fall 2016)
Fly into battle with the 3.75-inch scale REBEL U-WING FIGHTER and its heroic pilot CAPTAIN CASSIAN ANDOR! This Rebel starship features NERF dart firing cannons and adjustable wings to switch between flight and battle action modes. Includes vehicle, figure, and 2 NERF darts. Available at most major retailers and on HasbroToyShop.com.
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I love the design of the ship. As for the toy, I'm not bothered it's under-scaled since it's a nice representation. Yeah, it would've been cool if the nerf launcher was detachable so the compartment can double as the cargo hold. On the bright side, foam missiles reduce the risk of blinding my nephew.
When I shoot, you try to catch the nerf in your mouth, ok?
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U-wing goes up for preorder tomorrow and its the only 3.75" item for preorder the rest are reserved for Sept. 30
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How difficult would it be to remove the nerf feature and turn it back into cargo?
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Star Wars Rogue One Hasbro U-Wing Vehicle In-Hand Image Gallery at Jedi Insider (http://jediinsider.com/index.php?catid=8&itemid=17740)
Figure is held in by an elastic band? Nice flight controls... :(
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Just looking at the pics Paul, not particularly "easy". :-\
That's a lot bigger than I'd imagined it to be though. Still not buying one, but I see where the cost came into play.
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That's a lot bigger than I'd imagined it to be though
Yeah, it's a lot bigger then I thought it'd be from looking at those initial pics. The small underbelly/troop area is what was making it appear to be too small or out of scale, I guess.
I'm probably going to pick one up eventually... if I can find one with a decent Cassian pack-in. Oof. Everytime a new "in-hand" pic pops up, the face deco on poor Cassian looks horrible (https://t.co/OLCe69Zn1D). :-\
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The wings definitely make this vehicle look a lot bigger. But seeing the pics of Cassian Andor standing next to the ship? The size is way off. And in order for it to have the side-by-side cockpit like we've seen in the trailer, and any sort of troop compartment in the lower portion of the fuselage, we would be looking at a significantly larger ship that would have to be 2 to 3 times as big as this. That would translate to a significantly higher price tag, too.
Is it disappointing? Absolutely. I'd like to see something reasonably screen accurate. But with the rising costs and associated pricing, I don't know how Hasbro could make a vehicle that might be on par with something like the Republic Gunship or ARC-170.
I'm probably going to pick one up eventually... if I can find one with a decent Cassian pack-in. Oof. Everytime a new "in-hand" pic pops up, the face deco on poor Cassian looks horrible (https://t.co/OLCe69Zn1D). :-\
OMG. The paint apps I've seen on every sample of Cassian Andor's eyes all seem like they're horrible. WTF is up with this lately? First there was the Joan Crawford/WM Black Series Leia, and now we've got Cassian Andor meets Marty Feldman!
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I get one for the kids for sure. I might even pick one up for my rebel hangar display in my collection room since the nerf feature is concealable.
I'll get a TBS Cassian Andor figure to pilot it. :D
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I've seen a few pictures of boxes online that seem to indicate this is shipping in a box all by itself. That means it should be one of the few items you can actually search successfully on Brickseek. (49802129 is the UPC I believe)
But it still shows all of the store around here at 0. Disappointing.
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Had my hands on one of these, but was't allowed to buy it. Big, though. Hopefully it'll be worth it.
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I finally got to see this up close today at a Walmart that had already put out both it and the TIE Striker. No sign of the A-Wing though. The pack-in figures looked better than a lot of the pictures I have seen online, must be hit or miss.
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I got the U-Wing this past Friday and finally opened it up... The ship is way under-scaled but is nice unto itself. Much better than the X-Wing from the TFA lineup! I like the fact that the nerf cannon retracts into the ship so it is hidden. The wing folding feature is prett cool, though. It is kind of reminiscent of the folding wings on the old GI Joe Skystriker jet in that you pull a switch on the upper rear of the fuselage and they fold or extend. Nice to see retractable landing gear as well. While the cockpit canopy has a cool shape, there is only really basic details inside. Interestingly, there is a small hole where you can stow Capt. Andor's gun and there's an elastic cord stretched across the cockpit floor to act as a seat belt of sorts. The Cassian Andor figure is nice and I like it. I was planning to use a Rebel pilot figure for the pilot, but have kept the Andor figure in it instead. This ship should have been made at least twice its size and included a usable troop compartment and working ramp, but oh well... It fits in well enough with my other Rebel ships (especially the X-Wing) so I think I'll just wind up using it as a heavy fighter-bomber or gunship as opposed to a transport. But still, it's a good effort and fun toy.
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Sometimes the trailers give me the impression the U-wing isn’t very big. The picture below shows a scene where troops are jumping out. It seems the troop area is below the wings, yet the space in which troops are jumping out of looks to be less than a six or even four foot tall space. I realize I am nerding out in advance, it just seems like these early shots are not explaining the scale of the ship all that well.
http://i2.wp.com/www.swgameoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/u-wing-exit-1024x427.jpg?resize=711%2C296
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I've watched this pretty closely too, and I'm not 100% sure that all of the scenes with Jyn in spaceships are all taking place in the U-Wing. Sometimes they seem to be in a fairly small ship (like the size of The Phantom) and other times they seem to be in a ship the size of The Ghost.
They probably all do take place in the U-Wing and its just how they're framing the scenes. You might think the Mil Falcon is smallish just watching the cockpit scenes. Its not until you put all the scenes together and see the ship from the outside that you get a sense of how big it is.
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Im curious and apprehensive to see one of these toys in person. I would like to know if a custom compartment could be added to the under carriage to seat four figures or so.
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Im curious and apprehensive to see one of these toys in person. I would like to know if a custom compartment could be added to the under carriage to seat four figures or so.
I get the sense from the Rouge One previews - and even the giant hanging cardboard U-Wing display I've seen at Walmart and other stores - that the U-Wing is a larger ship apparently with a cargo bay or troop compartment that has side doors and a ramp. The ship certainly is not as big as a light freighter like the Millennium Falcon, though it is likely larger than a standard star fighter like an X-Wing or Y-Wing. That said, the toy is almost certainly under scaled. The cockpit only holds one figure and if you were to remove the nerf gun and open up the underside, you could maybe hold 2-3 figures sitting only.
Here is a size comparison shot of the new U-Wing with the Legacy Collection Wedge Antilles X-Wing and another picture showing a profile view of the U-Wing with the Cassian Andor figure for size comparison:
(https://s18.postimg.org/6lff8xyux/IMG_4687.jpg)
(https://s22.postimg.org/xd730hx3l/IMG_4689.jpg)
The toy U-Wing appears longer than the X-Wing, but that is only the wings. Its fuselage, while somewhat beefier, is shorter. I am not saying that is how those ships compare in-scale since both toys are obviously out of scale...
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Oh yeah the toy isn't anywhere near correct Tman. It has a dual searing (at least) cockpit and the troop pod which I think must be removable on a "real" one.
Cool design. I've really enjoyed it coming into the world of ship designs. Very incom looking and still unique with clear design an purpose beyond a fighter.
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I agree I think the U-Wing troop compartment is most likely modular. The trailers may have confused this (that never happens!) but it seems the ship is a somewhat standard fighter that has been augmented for particular assignments (stealing DS plans).
I love the U Wing. My favorite new ship from the new movies so far. It fits right in with the established ships. I do wish the toy was more authentic but what are you going to do. I'll be buying this one eventually.
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I've been looking at a lot of that kinda stuff lately and the "Vulture" Cargo Shuttles are also apparently part of one large logistics plan that involves modular containers, which makes sense of course since that's more or less how things work here too, but it's very streamlined for the Empire it seems. Those orange cargo pods in the belly of the AT-ACT are the same that hang under the hull of the shuttle, etc.
It reminds me of the Imperial version of the Gallofree Yards Transports, as the Rebel Transports have basically modular containers locked into a hull shell of sorts. It's kinda neat to see basically the Empire doing something similar if not a little more organized looking and less cobbled.
I really want the orange cargo pods on the back of the Rhino/Hover tank... They remind me of a cargo pod in Star Trek: TNG that was kind of ubiquitous and would just turn up here and there in episodes.