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Title: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on April 3, 2005, 11:57 PM
Just wanted to warn everyone that I will be talking spoilers in this thread.
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I've heard from a good source that there are moments in ROTS that are absolutely horrible and will definitely frighten the little ones.  What they were/are remains to be seen but I thought of four big ones:

#1 The burning of Anakin Skywalker (Immolation Scene)  If they show what I've seen in pictures, kids will be having nightmares for weeks about this.  This right off the bat was what I thought of was it, but then I started thinking even more

#2 The death of Padme.  Anakin choking Padme and killing her has got to be pretty bad.  Killing your own pregnant wife.  That is horrible, and not something a 5 year old should be seeing

#3 The Slaughter of the Younglings.  I've heard 3 reports of how this will be dealt with.  One is a scene where Bail Organa witnesses Stormtroopers gun down Lucas's son fleeing the temple.  Another is Yoda says to Obi-Wan "None have been spared, even the Padawans are dead" And the third and most grisly is Clone Troopers are seen ushering in Younglings to the Jedi Council chamber where Vader is waiting and the shot closes with the door shutting.  Any of these is bad for the wee ones.  Its something that needs to be touched on but again...terrible for the average 5 yr old

#4 Anakin becoming a bad guy.  I was thinking about this today.  Its not something real deep or anything but the major hero of the Prequels will become a villain and at the end of the movie his side wins.  That can't be good for the psyche

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So the reason why I was thinking about all of this is because like for TPM and for AOTC I've seen lots and lots of kids looking at figures and in the aisles with their parents.  Even my son was pretty intrigued with the stuff he saw.  However, when the movie comes out as PG-13 (as the whole LFL machine is thinking it will be) because of any and all of the above scenes, what effects will all of this have?

How hurt are future toy sales going to be?  Are parents going to bring little Johnny and Suzie anyway?  I can't think its going to help and after parents complain the end product was too graphic and too adult, what will the public backlash be?  Its and interesting time and it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next 6 weeks

Also, will parents be mad at the marketing hoopla of a movie they are expecting to be PG like the other 5 were only to come to find out that its a PG-13 movie.  I'm not complaining from a movie standpoint because I think all of the stuff above is necessary for the story and I can't wait to see it all play out, I just am worried at the backlash.

Thinking back to 5 year old me and how scared I was at the end of ESB.  I cried when Han was frozen.  I cried when Vader said he was Luke's father and for 3 years thought he was lying.  Imagine some of the stuff I'm talking about above for 5 year olds.  Nowhere near as bad as ESB

Pontifications?
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: CHEWIE on April 4, 2005, 12:34 AM
I've kinda thought about this too...

And you know, I think this is necessary for the Star Wars story.  In the OT, Vader is that baddest ass in the galaxy.  He had to do something to earn that reputation.

Also, to be honest, most of the merchandise is purchased by older collectors anyway, and I think if anything, the darker the movie is; the more popular it will be.

We're not talking Texas Chainsaw Massacre or American History X here, so I think it will all be ok.

There probably will be a few soccer moms who take offense to it and the media outlets that target those people will make a big deal out of it.  The mainstream will accept it and love it.  Might be a little sad, but it's the story of Star Wars - and the story of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader is a tragedy.

My prediction - people will enjoy seeing a serious/hardcore Star Wars movie in the prequels a lot better than the goofy crap that went on in Episode One.

 :P
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Brian on April 4, 2005, 08:59 AM
Good points guys, and something I've thought about lately as well.  I haven't been too good at avoiding spoilers (particularly pictures), and from what I have seen, it could be a little bit scary for the wee ones this time around.  That being said, adults will probably enjoy it more.  I saw plenty of both rummaging through the new products this weekend, probably more so than either of the other prequels as far as I could tell.  I remember on that 60 Minutes interview with George Lucas, he specifically said he wouldn't take little kids to see this movie.  I don't remember the exact age he said, but I think it was around 10 or younger.  He's giving the heads up, and if it gets a PG-13 rating that should be a tip off as well, but of course...since it is Star Wars....someone will complain.  It will be interesting to see how it plays out.  I'm looking forward to the movie, hopefully it doesn't offend others who aren't prepared for it.  I see Scott's point though, some movies (even though I watched them anyways) scared me quite a bit when I was 5 or so.  Seeing Han frozen was always a bit unsettling to me as well, and I remember being quite scared of those Gremlins movies for some reason when I was a kid.  Seems silly now, but back then I swear they lived under my bed :P.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 4, 2005, 02:35 PM
I agree with Chewie - the PT desperately needs a serious, dramatic, action-intense climax so that it carries the franchise (in story-telling succession) to the OT.

I remember reading an article somewhere after AOTC came out and the author basically was asking 'Would Star Wars have been a phenomenon if Lucas had released TPM first and AOTC second?" (in otherwords, no OT to draw on)

The fact of the matter is that both TPM and AOTC were both riding on the coat-tails of the OT and the lack of new SW movies for so long. If TPM had been the world's first taste of Star Wars, it is quite possible that TPM would have been all she wrote.

ROTS needs to be a movie that makes you go back, re-watch the TPM and AOTC and actually see all of the little hints and build-up events that lead to the fall of the Republic and Anakin. The PT needs ROTS to be its anchor so as a whole, people will one day look back on the PT and say - "yeah, they're a pretty good set of movies that explain how a sweet young boy became Darth Vader" - just like people look back on the OT with fondness - a fondness that, to be honest, is firmly anchored in the Empire Strikes Back - the other movie in the Saga that ends with the dark side having the upper hand.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: speedermike on April 5, 2005, 11:47 AM
"a fondness that, to be honest, is firmly anchored in the Empire Strikes Back"

Speak for yourself.  I love Empire, but what made me a lifelong Star Wars fan was the joy, optimism, humor and excitement of ANH!!

While I worry about parents taking young kids to this, I saw lots of young kids at all 3 LOTR movies, and they were PG -13.  I think there will be some backlash, but if the film delivers, it will soon pass.

As far as kids having nightmares about Anikin burning, I think that's OK.  I would point out to my child that Anilkin was greedy and made selfish choices, that's why he burned.  These movies have always been designed as moral guides.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Morgbug on April 5, 2005, 12:06 PM
Warning: cynic ahead.

Scott, I'm really glad you're thinking about this, most particularly as a parent.  I don't really have much concern for your kids, I think you're a responsible dad.  I think you're seriously in the minority though. 

I agree completely with you about what this could do in terms of scaring kids - I think it will.  I just don't think the majority of parents these days give much of a crap.  I've seen kids at movies that have left me disturbed by a particular scene.  That's just plain weird/wrong/stupid/illogical/inconsiderate of the parents to have their kids in there. But I think we're at a point where there's a certain numbness of brain in the bulk of people, so they don't think too much anyway.  I'm sure there'll be a fair number of complaints, but really, you'd have to be pretty silly to not know what's coming, even if you're not a big SW geek who spends too much time on boards.  It's all over the media and will be much more so in the coming 6 weeks.  The story is well understood by even the most casual observer.  If you've seen the OT you know Vader is evil and murderous; you know that the only Jedi left alive are Yoda and Obi-Wan, somehow the rest had to die.  We didn't know what happened to Padme, other than that she is no longer around and her children were raised by other people, so that may be a shocker.  Still, living under a rock necessary to not know the premise, if not the details.

That said, I agree with Chewie and Pete.  What we've heard of this movie is what is necessary in this movie.  I've long complained about the cutesy factor of ROTJ - I really do hate Ewoks.  I really believe that was the start of the end of the glory of the franchise, something not present in either ANH or ESB.  The Ewoks spawned Jar-Jar and the sound of music cutesy, lovey scenes in AOTC.  Blech to all of that.  Not necessary to the story, not required to draw in fans.  Just dumb plot devices that, IMNSHO, failed.  ANH and ESB are the most widely accepted as the best two movies of the franchise (post-pubescent crowd).  Leia/Han's romance occurred in what, a grand total of maybe 12 minutes over three movies?  No furry, funny, cute side characters in either of those movies.  No, this movie has to be dark, very dark to take it back to where the plot starts for ANH. 
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: CHEWIE on April 5, 2005, 12:18 PM
I agree, it has to be dark.  Very dark.

Another thing about what made the OT so popular was that for the most part, they were dark movies.  They really were dark through ANH (slaughtering Jawas and the Lars Family) and we all know that darkness continued through ESB.

ROTJ really wasn't that dark, and that made sense as the Sith were being eliminated.  The darkest part of the film to me were the Emperor scenes; especially when he zaps Luke.

So, I would say there is very little to worry about.  I think most people know what is going to happen, and are looking forward to it.

 :P
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on April 5, 2005, 12:31 PM
I guess I disagree that most people know what is going to happen in a specific sense.  Spider-Man 1 and 2 were also PG-13 right?  I didn't hear a lot of complaining about either of them but for the most part it was violence and NOT the stuff I was talking about in #1 through #4.  That is almost R rated material.   Something kids should never even be exposed to. 

I can't also help and think about what Hasbro thinks about this.  They can't be very happy that the recommended audiences excludes half of their target market.  They are OK right now since the movie isn't out yet but there has got to be nervousness about the end movie and how its going to be perceived by the Soccer Mom.  Burning Alive and lots of Killing (Think about who and how these killings happen)...those aren't subjects that were in LOTR or Spider-Man at all

What if in LOTR during TTT the Uruk-Hai would have killed those two little kids that escaped on their horse?  How do you think that would have played with the media and parents? 
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on April 5, 2005, 12:49 PM
After seeing the trailer and knowing how dark Rots is going to be, I'm not sure I will take my son who will almost be 5. It might be too dark for him.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on April 5, 2005, 01:05 PM
I can understand your concern, Scott, but we all knew it was going to be like this. Vader helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the jedi. When we first see him, Anakin is an innocent, good-hearted (though thoroughly annoying) child. As Vader destroys the part of him that is Anakin, we see him destroy what he used to be—young, idealistic jedi knights and young innocent children.

There's going to be some scary stuff in this movie. Maybe Hasbro should have thought twice about marketing their figures to very young chldren (action features).
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on April 5, 2005, 01:12 PM
I also want to reiterate that I don't want anything to change at all, I'm with all of you, this is movie I've wanted to see ever since Luke took off Vader's mask.  How the hell did he get like that?  Who was Anakin?

I also have thought about the day when I finally get to show my boys the movies and we start with 1 and 2 and then we have to skip 3 for 4,5 and 6.  Its sort of dumb on one hand that they decided to do PG for 1 and 2 but decided to go all out for 3.  It should have been all or none.  Maybe its a sign that they realize this is an adult based franchise after all :P
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on April 5, 2005, 01:22 PM
I think  Scott has a very valid point.  I've started giving my 4 year old nephew some Star Wars items, and he's starting to get into it a little.  Thing is, I've seen the immolation image along with the shot of Dooku with his hands cut off.  There is NO WAY I want my nephew to see things like that at his age, even if he's only a year younger than I was when I saw ANH.  This is much more violent, and pretty inappropriate for young kids.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darth Broem on April 5, 2005, 01:28 PM
My nephew is 4.5 years old and he was terrified of the 2nd trailer shown in front of Robots.  He buried his head in grandma's lap and had to be told a few times "it will be over soon". 

The PG-13 rating out to clue in the parents.  As far as Hasbro goes well supposedly the collectors "never" see a child wanting Star Wars toys.  LOL!  There are probably more than we think there are.  There were several children present on 4/2 getting a few ROTS figures.  Mainly Vader though.  Some were pretty young. 
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jim on April 5, 2005, 01:35 PM
My nephew is 4.5 years old and he was terrified of the 2nd trailer shown in front of Robots.  He buried his head in grandma's lap and had to be told a few times "it will be over soon". 

The PG-13 rating out to clue in the parents.  As far as Hasbro goes well supposedly the collectors "never" see a child wanting Star Wars toys.  LOL!  There are probably more than we think there are.  There were several children present on 4/2 getting a few ROTS figures.  Mainly Vader though.  Some were pretty young. 


Im with you on the trailer.  Our son cant get enough of the other 5 movies and they dont bother him at all.  The trailer for 3 has him terrified.  As soon as hooded Anakin is walking with the clones behind him he gets really scared.  We will not let him see them movie or even on DVD this fall.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: CHEWIE on April 5, 2005, 02:00 PM
I don't think it will be on DVD in the Fall.  Maybe next Feb. or something.

 :P
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jim on April 5, 2005, 02:06 PM
I don't think it will be on DVD in the Fall.  Maybe next Feb. or something.

 :P

There is already a release date believe it or not for the Fall Holiday season.  Same as what was done for EP1 and E2. 
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Morgbug on April 5, 2005, 02:15 PM

I also have thought about the day when I finally get to show my boys the movies and we start with 1 and 2 and then we have to skip 3 for 4,5 and 6.  Its sort of dumb on one hand that they decided to do PG for 1 and 2 but decided to go all out for 3.  It should have been all or none.  Maybe its a sign that they realize this is an adult based franchise after all :P

I do agree Scott, there's going to be some backlash.  But your above quote does a nice job summarizing of what all of us fanboys have been thinking for a long time, just saying it differently.  The "first" two movies weren't what they should be and that's part of my rant above about the Ewoks.  I think the movies' focus shifted once someone (i.e. Lucas, Hasbro, etc.) realized that something cute sells well.  All of a sudden we've got all sorts of sidelines going on in the stories (and to me, detracting from) that really are not necessary aside from perhaps broadening the interest to keep the whole family from the 4 year old, to mom, to dad, to the teenager happy.  I think you're right that they realized what they should have previously and the box office returns and critical reviews perhaps finally got through.  

I remember the first copy I picked up of Leonard Maltin's (sp?) movie review book.  All three Star Wars movies were very highly rated, only ROTJ not having four stars I believe.  Take a look at a more recent copy that includes the prequels.  They didn't do so well.  We've all discussed it previously.  It's just not a happy go lucky movie franchise.  There's all manner of Nazi-esque overtones to it.  

I'm in the same boat, how do you show your kids this?  My daughter loves certain aspects of AOTC.  She's largely bored of TPM right from the start.  But the strangest thing was the first time we watched ANH - immediately upon seeing Vader she was scared.  She did not like him at all.  She'd seen Maul with his grotesque face and it didn't bother her at all.  Vader was the embodiment of evil and she picked it up right away.  The only other time she reacted in that way was to the witch in Snow White, pretty much a terrifying caricature when looked at objectively as well.  Quite possibly more evil than Vader when you think about your own stepmother ordering your murder :o

I was 13 when I saw Star Wars so there wasn't much fear involved. Mind you this was about a year or so after we sneaked into the theater through the back door to watch the Exorcist.  Wanna talk about ******* with a kids mind?  I still can't watch that movie.

How do you feel about showing the boys ANH and ESB?  I'll certainly agree that what you listed for ROTS is beyond what they should be watching, but what about serving up some smoked Beru and Owen?  How will you handle that.  

Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on April 5, 2005, 02:32 PM
I think I was planning on waiting at least until they were 5 (again remembering my own reactions)  Its different now then it was then in that we could watch them over a few weeks (instead of waiting 3 years), I know what is coming (while my parents didn't) etc
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jim on April 5, 2005, 02:45 PM
I think I was planning on waiting at least until they were 5 (again remembering my own reactions)  Its different now then it was then in that we could watch them over a few weeks (instead of waiting 3 years), I know what is coming (while my parents didn't) etc

What I hate to say, and I do not agree with this is that kids grow up alot quicker and unfortuneately are exposed to certan things at an earlier age.  Please, dont anyone bring up bad parenting on this one.  My wife and I are probably sometimes overprotective.  Scott, my son is the same age as your older boy and at first I did not want to expose him to this stuff at such an early age.  Well he was, and there is not one scene in any of the 5 released movies that bother him.  My only regret to him seeing these movies is that he has become somewhat obsessed with them and wishes to view them everyday, which we do not let him.  My wife curses me that my SW gene was passed to him.  He has that same sparkle when he sees these movies which is what attracted me at an early age.  When I saw SW on the big screen I was 8.  And to be honest, that first appearance of Vader did not sit well with me and I was terrified. Times change.   Now, this does not mean i'm going to go out this weekend and bring him to Sin City.  There are extremes. 
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on April 5, 2005, 02:53 PM
I think I'd let Max watch them now though too (with some FF in some parts), the War Department on the other hand would put the clamps down rather quickly.  So, I have to respect her wishes and let it slide for a few years.  Not a huge deal because I can wait and it means the toys are safe for a few more years.

Max is in love with the lightsabers though when we go to Target or TRU.  He also likes R2 and 3PO quite a bit.  So, while I agree with you Jim that he could handle it (especially with Power Rangers and other crap that is on TV) I have to keep peace in the upper echelons of Casa Pearson ;)

That said, I haven't changed my stance on ROTS, I think parents will be shocked by the graphic nature of the movie while expecting ROTJ or TPM
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Morgbug on April 5, 2005, 02:57 PM
I think I was planning on waiting at least until they were 5 (again remembering my own reactions)  Its different now then it was then in that we could watch them over a few weeks (instead of waiting 3 years), I know what is coming (while my parents didn't) etc

Oh I agree it is different in that you know what precisely will be coming.  Kids often surprise you too and don't get scared by what you expect.  My daughter has seen most of the movies because initially she had no fear at all, that is something that with her at least, seemed to develop later, around age 3.  She used to watch Snow White with no problems at all.  I don't think she really understood what was going on prior to that.  Now she clearly does.  

Presuming ROTS is all we expect, I'll be keeping that movie from her for quite some time to come (she turns 5 next week).  Not suggesting that your choice is wrong at all, just that she's not a fan and really doesn't need to see the movie for any real reason.  She likes Padme, she likes watching the beasts in the arena battle and DVD makes it nice so you can scan/skip parts pretty easily if you're watching with them.  But at least for my daughter, 5 is too young to really comprehend the whole Saga in sequential order, particularly with all sorts of nastiness coming in the next movie.  

My earliest movie memories that inspired fear include Snow White (is witch-fear passed on genetically?) and then two movies I cannot recall.  One I think was possibly a Disney movie, but it had Banshees in it and they absolutely scared the crap out of me.  I vividly remember them chasing a horse drawn carriage with children in it in the dark.  Another was a weird movie about a flood in Europe and two children have to survive it after they see their drowned mother :o  I still have no idea why we went to see that movie or what it was called, but my sister and I went alone and I had nightmares for months afterwards about my mother drowning.  
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: CHEWIE on April 5, 2005, 03:05 PM
I don't think it will be on DVD in the Fall.  Maybe next Feb. or something.

 :P

There is already a release date believe it or not for the Fall Holiday season.  Same as what was done for EP1 and E2. 

Really?  Seems odd...  but I'm all for that.

 :P
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jim on April 5, 2005, 03:24 PM
I think I'd let Max watch them now though too (with some FF in some parts), the War Department on the other hand would put the clamps down rather quickly.  So, I have to respect her wishes and let it slide for a few years.

That was my downfall and I hear it everyday ;)
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darth Broem on April 5, 2005, 04:09 PM
My dad talked my mom into bringing me to Star Wars when I was 3 years old in 77.  The only scene that bothered oddly enough was when Luke stumbles upon the message in R2-D2.  Princess Leia's hologram pops out of nowhere and the music is really loud and out of nowhere fast.  It scared me.  During the other times I would see it in the theatre I made sure to use the bathroom so I would not be there for that scene.  LOL! 

Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: CHEWIE on April 5, 2005, 05:07 PM
I can vaguely remember seeing ESB in theatres.  I was 3 years old.  I remember seeing the AT-AT's and they did scare me some.

When I was 6 years old though nothing in the movies scared me when I saw ROTJ, I loved it all.  Even the Friday the 13th movies were awesome in my book.

 :P
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on April 5, 2005, 05:17 PM
My point is, is that this stuff is 100x worse than anything thats been in any SW movie and people I think are thinking its going to be like the other 5
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jim on April 5, 2005, 07:05 PM
My point is, is that this stuff is 100x worse than anything thats been in any SW movie and people I think are thinking its going to be like the other 5

Exactly.  The numbers for showings could suffer with many children not going, but I think Lucas will earn alot more respect if he sticks to his guns and does not bow to a rating change like he mentioned on the 60 Minutes documentary. Plus, because of the dark content, alot of people will go to multiple showings which will make up a large part in sales. In order to tell the story we must be shown that the little Anakin from EP1 is really heartless and cold in his downfall. 

Although I wouldnt want him to change anything for the release, I wouldnt be upset if you had the option on the DVD to choose a more friendly version for kids. This would  be fairly simple to do.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Morgbug on April 5, 2005, 10:12 PM
My point is, is that this stuff is 100x worse than anything thats been in any SW movie and people I think are thinking its going to be like the other 5

No argument at all.

Guess they could release a cut-up director's cut; a toned down version rather than what usually happens.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Famine on April 5, 2005, 10:14 PM
Even the Friday the 13th movies were awesome in my book.

 :P

Were? You watch your mouth!

Kevin
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on April 5, 2005, 11:44 PM
My point is, is that this stuff is 100x worse than anything thats been in any SW movie and people I think are thinking its going to be like the other 5

I agree that it's all going to be harsh.  This is going to be THE MOST violent Star Wars movie of all.  No doubt about it, it's lining up to be that way.

The thing that I'm wondering is this:  will George treat it such a manner as to make it "cinematic" and mildly acceptable, or will it be outwardly brutal?  I think that's the fine line that this movie is going to straddle.  That could make this movie a tough sell as well.  At least to kids.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: CHEWIE on April 6, 2005, 12:55 AM
Even the Friday the 13th movies were awesome in my book.

 :P

Were? You watch your mouth!

Kevin

Yeah, when I was that young I didn't think they were scary at all.  Just really cool.  I always liked those type of movies.

 :P
Title: If You Were a Kid....
Post by: Brian on April 6, 2005, 04:01 PM
The last couple of days I've had a chance to start breaking open some of the April 2 swag, and it got me to thinking, if we were kids (for those of us who aren't ;)) would you have fun with this toy line?  I got to thinking about it at first because I couldn't have imagined getting this much stuff at once when I was a kid, but also thinking that some of these toys would have been pretty cool.  Granted, times have changed a lot since the vintage toy line days, but I played hours on end with my vintage figures, a handed-down Falcon and snowspeeder from my cousins, and my Jabba's Dungeon playset.  The rest of the environments were capably filled by carpet, furniture, boxes or anything else handy.  Although outside of possibly trying out the "action features" and posing them on a shelf, I don't really play with this stuff anymore....but I would think for a kid really "into" Star Wars (if that happens anymore), you could really have a hay day :).  Sorry for the random thoughts, just curious if anyone else felt that way about the line nowadays.  Not necessarily limited to ROTS stuff, but all modern stuff for that matter.
Title: Re: If You Were a Kid....
Post by: CHEWIE on April 6, 2005, 04:07 PM
I'd have a blast with this stuff if I were a kid... but two things are lacking that I loved as a kid - huge vehicles and playsets.

 :P
Title: Re: If You Were a Kid....
Post by: Brian on April 6, 2005, 04:13 PM
Yeah, excellent point CHEWIE.  Although I didn't have any "big playsets", I did have the Falcon and played the heck out of that thing.  Also, a friend of mine had about everything, and playing with that Death Star was pretty cool.
Title: Re: If You Were a Kid....
Post by: Newman on April 6, 2005, 04:19 PM
Well I'm still kind of a kid but I miss the days when I would play with my figures and not just display them.  I can't tell you how many times I had Vader strike down countless Rebels.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on April 6, 2005, 04:28 PM
well my son who'll be 5 over the summer absolutely loves this stuff! His favorite characters are r2 and 3p0, plus chewie. He knows the movies as he's watched them on dvd as much as I have since last sept. he likes playing with the ships, we have anakins' starfighter, the otc x-wing and tie-fighter, we flythem around the den shooting at eachother.
he also likes playing with the lightsabers.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Aaron_D on May 13, 2005, 05:03 AM
I've been seeing a lot more kids in the Star Wars sections the past several weeks.  I don't recall that being the case so much with the prior two movies, but this one really seems to be bringing the youth back into the Star Wars franchise for some reason.  Perhaps it's the mass media advertising campaigns that are going on everywhere you look nowadays.

I did actually here a mother in the aisle this week saying that she wasn't going to let her son watch the movie, since she's heard some pretty bad stuff about the voilence factor.  I was a little bummed to hear that, but oddly enough, she was still buying him the figures apparently.  No idea how old the kid was though.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Brian on May 13, 2005, 09:06 AM
I agree, I think this is the most I've seen kids in the Star Wars aisles since I started collecting the modern stuff.  Very rarely I saw any kids interested in Star Wars stuff during Episodes I and II (except for lightsabers maybe), but I think I see a kid or two looking at ROTS stuff about every time I go anymore.  I'm not sure what it is either, if it is the mass media campaign (Star Wars is everywhere, and on TV a lot this time around), the fact that there are more OT "name" characters showing up (Vader, Chewie, droids), or maybe just that it is a good Star Wars time coming off the OT DVD release.  I started seeing more and more kids around that time, when the OTC was hitting pegs.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Xander on May 13, 2005, 09:24 AM
Its so true. I'm usually the first guy to suspect anecdotal evidence about who's buying what in the toy section.  Every time I see a report of "the scalper at this Target" and how that means scalpers are buying everything everywhere, I don't believe it. But time after time when I'm showing up at the Star Wars section, I see kids out the wazoo.

Kids having light saber battles, kids trying to buy figures while mom is having to limit the number that they can get, kids discussing Star Wars....I keep seeing this over and over, at multiple stores. The other day a group of three kids saw some new figures, and one goes "this is what so-and-so had on the bus!".  I can't explain it - it seems like I never had to dodge kids on toy runs, but now I'm pleasantly surprised that yes, I'm now competing with kids instead of hot wheels guys!
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on May 13, 2005, 09:52 AM
The big question still remains, when Parents next week finally find out this is a PG-13 movie, what's going to happen. I fully expect this to be some bit of an issue.  "How could they make this a PG-13 movie and market all of this stuff to our kids?"

Spider-Man was the same way, although I really think most kids over 7-8 could handle that.  My son though loves Spidey and has never even seen him anywhere
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on May 23, 2005, 03:00 PM
So...what age is appropriate for the movie?  I think its around 7-8...old enough to be able to realize fantasy from reality...but even then, the Immolation scene is very graphic
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Brian on May 23, 2005, 03:15 PM
The Mrs. and I were discussing this after seeing it last Thursday, and I'd say you're about right with that age range Scott.  We have nephews that are 3 and 5, and I know it would be a bit much for them, at least I think it would.  Overall, we didn't think anything was "too" graphic, the simmerin' Anakin scenes probably being the worst.  Otherwise, I don't think there was anything worse than what kids see in other movies (and other Star Wars movies)...limbs a flyin', lightsaber battles, and blaster shots.  There is a bit more "main character" type death, instead of random clones, droids, or stormtroopers biting it.

That being said, we went to a 1 o'clock matinee, and there were a fair amount of kiddos there...with their parents.  They probably ranged in age from a baby (which I don't understand) up to jr. high and beyond, with several 6-10 year olds in there.  No one seemed scarred for life from it though ;).  My wife was actually kind of paying attention to the movie for that, as so much hubub was made about the PG-13 rating...but she didn't think anything was all that bad, aside from Anakin burning.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2005, 09:23 AM
I fully expect this to be some bit of an issue.  "How could they make this a PG-13 movie and market all of this stuff to our kids?"

Parents Protest BK Toys (http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/24/news/midcaps/starwars_burgerking/index.htm?cnn=yes)
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jim on May 24, 2005, 09:54 AM
I totally disagree with this crap.  Mainly because the majority of the toys in this line are not even from E3 ??? 
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2005, 09:58 AM
I totally disagree with this crap.  Mainly because the majority of the toys in this line are not even from E3 ??? 
Agreed, its stupid, I see it more as a publicity stunt
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gatillo on May 24, 2005, 09:59 AM
What I don't get is why the Dove people said the movie is ok to watch but BK's toys are not ok to sell.

Sounds like total BS!!
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on May 24, 2005, 10:22 AM
Oh man, I hate these ******* "watchdog" groups. I'd love to get on my soapbox right now, but I don't think this forum is the appropriate place.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darth Broem on May 24, 2005, 10:40 AM
Oh my mother-in-law is sure to jump on that bandwagon.  She was all upset when she took my niece and nephew (ages 2.5 and 4.5) to see Robots (not much of a kid flick either) and the ROTS trailer was shown.  It got the kids all scared.  I am sure she will be in an uproar about this to. 

How could BK hype this stuff to kids?  Blah-blah-blah.  The funny thing is that the kids probably could care less either way.  But the parents will flip.   
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ben on May 24, 2005, 01:22 PM
Isn't that why BK is offering the Jedi Meal thing to adults? So they can say this is an adult-themed promotion?

Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gatillo on May 24, 2005, 01:25 PM
I don't have kids so I cannot talk from that end.  But I have nieces and they are 7 and 1.5 years old.  They went to see the movie with me.  The 7 year old feel sleep.  The baby saw the whole thing.  She loved it.  She lightsaber duels now with just about anything she can duel with. 

So I not know what the hype is about

Darth Broem has good points and I understand that about the film, hence the rating, but I don't understand how that relates to the toys.  The actual toys don't do any of that.  These types of groups are always going to come up with something.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darth Broem on May 24, 2005, 02:32 PM
Well to be honest there is definitely stuff in the movie that could scare kids.  Not every kid of course.  But spooky music, disformed faces, burning flesh, decapitations, limbs cut off, overall violence, kids killed, screaming pregnant woman, wife choked by her husband, burn victim with limbs off lying on a table. 

All this stuff or some of the stuff could frighten a kid.  I think you can see that. 
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Morgbug on May 24, 2005, 05:16 PM
I don't have kids so I cannot talk from that end.  But I have nieces and they are 7 and 1.5 years old.  They went to see the movie with me.  The 7 year old feel sleep.  The baby saw the whole thing.  She loved it.  She lightsaber duels now with just about anything she can duel with. 


Infants/Toddlers don't often have much in the way of a fear response.  They don't know enough (yet) to know something is or isn't scary. 

My daughter loved Snow White up until about age three, when she came to the startling realization that the Witch/Queen is actually pretty damn scary.  Show it to your niece again in about 2 years and see what happens. 

As for the 7 year old, I haven't seen many kids in the theater that weren't considerably bored for chunks of the movie.  Sadly neither they nor their parents seem to feel that it's bad to talk during the slow parts in a movie >:(

As to the more general question of appropriate age, it's kid and parent specific.  If your kid is relatively mature and able to handle it, 8-10 is fine unless they have more delicate sensibilities.  I honestly have no idea why anyone would rush their kid out to see an immolation scene, a decapitation and the (implied) slaughter of children.  Let kids be kids, if they want to go and can stay interested, fine, otherwise don't force your (our) obsession on them.  There are better movies for them. 

With respect to the nannies out there protecting the kiddies, I'm all for Lando jumping on his soapbox.  Save me from doing it.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nathan on May 24, 2005, 08:04 PM
::) Stupid bitchy whiny watchdog groups. They're frickin' Happy Meal Toys. If BK were doing toys of decapitated younglings or Crispy McAnakin, then these moralizing soccer moms might have a point. But they aren't. So they don't.
Title: Re: Kids and ROTS (SPOILERS)
Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 24, 2005, 08:28 PM
A few weeks ago, I was driving to a doctor's appointment and turned on the radio (the first time I had done so in a loooooong time) and I heard an ad for a "Concerned Parents" group that made me turn off the radio in disgust.

Basically, it was your typical "Times are becoming more and more troubling and instead of blaming bad parenting, we want to blame the entertainment industry" advert, but the most telling point was this.  This group (whose name I can't remember even though I really wish I could) had, as their main selling point to all these concerned parents, that THEY (the company) would send out a weekly email to tell all the concerned parents what was offensive on TV/movies/radio/music that week with a prewritten email and the addresses of pertinent agencies to send them to.

Their approach was essentially, "Since we know you are too busy to take an interest in what you child does, we will tell you what to protest to give you the illusion you're watching after their needs."

And you know what I say to that?  **** them.  If you're a good parent who actually raises your child yourself, I have no problem with you, but if you park Junior in front of the television without knowing or caring what he's watching so you can sit around and gossip with the neighborhood sewing circle about "Desperate Housewives", your opinion means nothing to me and should mean nothing to everyone else.

The simple fact that seven year olds with horrible parents are having such a huge influence on what I, as an adult, can and cannot do, watch, or listen to is a ridiculous concept.  Do some ******* parenting and stop worrying about whether or not Paris Hilton's cellphone has been hacked into.   ::)