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Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
« Reply #195 on: June 19, 2022, 07:34 PM »
Vader didn't finish her because to do so would have been a mercy, and mercy isn't the way of the sith. Reva has spent her whole life plotting revenge against him, and she just took her only shot, only to discover Vader knew the entire time who she was and what she was planning. He then proceeded to utterly humiliate her, showing her with no shadow of a doubt that she never stood a chance and never will, not even considering her enough of a threat to bother drawing his own lightsaber against her. Now he's left her gravely, but not fatally wounded, utterly beaten, and denied the only thing she truly wants. Just like him. Now she has to live knowing not only did she fail, but she will never succeed, she will never have what she wants most, because she never was, and never will be powerful enough to take him on. She has to live with that now. Just like him. She has nothing left now, her thirst for vengeance will never be satiated. All she has now is her hate, and by letting her live, it will consume her. Killing her  would have been putting her out of her misery, and that isn't a very Sith thing to do. Letting her live and abandoning her there is the cruelest thing he could have done to her.

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« Reply #196 on: June 19, 2022, 08:56 PM »
Thatís a good explanation Greedo, but I still feel like there is no way he would have left her alive. Iím hard pressed to think of anyone else who crossed him that didnít end up dead. I felt like that was purely a plot device to string this out one more episode.

I still donít get what happened at the end really. Was one ship inside of the other one? Or just behind it? And you know, this really makes you wonder why he didnít just pull the Falcon back on HothÖ
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« Reply #197 on: June 19, 2022, 09:38 PM »
I still donít get what happened at the end really. Was one ship inside of the other one? Or just behind it? And you know, this really makes you wonder why he didnít just pull the Falcon back on HothÖ

I was confused the first time too.  I re-watched it and there is another ship behind it in the hangar.

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« Reply #198 on: June 19, 2022, 10:44 PM »
Vader didn't finish her because to do so would have been a mercy, and mercy isn't the way of the sith.

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I believe this is why Vader let Obi Wan go. There was no need to imprison him. Always having to watch his back for an inqusitor, or dodging imperials... His existence would be torture.

I did raise an eyebrow after Vader threatened Reva in an earlier part/episode that he would off her before she can regret failing. But it's clear that was just his musings.

And you know, this really makes you wonder why he didnít just pull the Falcon back on HothÖ

I thought the same, but of Leia's ship at the end of Rogue One. I figure he's 10 years older by then and the Falcon and corvette were probably more powerful than the transport.
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« Reply #199 on: June 19, 2022, 11:24 PM »

I thought the same, but of Leia's ship at the end of Rogue One. I figure he's 10 years older by then and the Falcon and corvette were probably more powerful than the transport.

ButÖ but didnít Yoda tell Luke that levitating a rock and X-Wing were the exact same thing?

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« Reply #200 on: June 20, 2022, 01:31 AM »

I thought the same, but of Leia's ship at the end of Rogue One. I figure he's 10 years older by then and the Falcon and corvette were probably more powerful than the transport.

ButÖ but didnít Yoda tell Luke that levitating a rock and X-Wing were the exact same thing?

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« Reply #201 on: June 20, 2022, 11:17 AM »
I just chalk it up to him being much closer to the transport than he was to the Falcon or the Blockade Runner. Plus they were moving faster.
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« Reply #202 on: June 20, 2022, 11:53 AM »
I just chalk it up to him being much closer to the transport than he was to the Falcon or the Blockade Runner. Plus they were moving faster.

Pfft.  Han just didn't believe in the Force at the time so those old sorcerer's tricks wouldn't work on him.  ;)

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« Reply #203 on: June 22, 2022, 01:31 PM »
I just chalk it up to him being much closer to the transport than he was to the Falcon or the Blockade Runner. Plus they were moving faster.

Pfft.  Han just didn't believe in the Force at the time so those old sorcerer's tricks wouldn't work on him.  ;)

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Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
« Reply #204 on: June 22, 2022, 03:42 PM »
I just fan-girled the 💩 out of that finale  ;D
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« Reply #205 on: June 23, 2022, 10:15 AM »
The opening shot of the episode was beautiful and a tremendous cinematic homage to ANH.  Beyond that?  I was really taken with the entire episode.  I have to watch it again before I can adequately comment.
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« Reply #206 on: June 23, 2022, 07:13 PM »
I just fan-girled the 💩 out of that finale  ;D

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I thoroughly enjoyed this series.  The finale was awesome!  This show was everything I wanted it to be and more.
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« Reply #207 on: June 23, 2022, 08:35 PM »
I'll be honest, I really hated the first half of the series and couldn't even gather the strength to watch episodes 4 and 5... until I finally decided to binge the last 3 episodes last night. I didn't really care for it at all. I guess I was expecting something more simple, like Obi-Wan having to save the Lars family from some Tuskens and having to face the guilt of slaughtering a tribe like Anakin did. Instead we got a ripoff of Jedi: Fallen Order for most of the series, with the added bonus of Obi-Wan coming off as a jerk (leaving the Lars alone after someone with a lightsaber attacks them!) and Bail Organa coming off as the galaxy's biggest idiot (WHAT WAS THAT TRANSMISSION ABOUT LUKE'S LOCATION?!?!?). Oh and Qui Gon looks dumb too, because who knew you could survive a lightsaber stabbing by thinking about revenge?

I guess I need some time to process things
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Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
« Reply #208 on: June 23, 2022, 09:08 PM »
"You couldn't gather the strength to watch episodes 4 and 5?" Jesus Christ. Again so much hyperbole and drama.

I loved the finale. I'll give the show a B overall. The show was exactly what I expected. We should also all know that's how SW fans determine what's good and what sucks. Whether it fits our expectations. I think I would have been very bored with your version Diddly.
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« Reply #209 on: June 24, 2022, 09:28 AM »
Episode 6 commentary:
- I thought the finale was mostly excellent. 
- I was expecting something a little different, but ultimately liked the battle between Kenobi and Vader.  I really liked the dialog at the end of the battle about Darth killing Anakin, and wished they had even more discussion.
- I didn't like the quick timing of Reva's instant recovery from a lightsaber stab and flying to Tatooine. At first I thought we were going to get disjointed timelines and they were just showing them side by side for dramatic effect.  Ultimately it was fine but I wish they would have spaced these events out further.
- I had a flashback to The Last Jedi and am a little bugged by the Star Destroyer vs. transport battle.  The Star Destroyer managed to track down, disable, and capture the Tantavie IV without much trouble but couldn't do that with a transport?  I get it that its a plot device, but I wish they would find something a little more plausible if they need more than a few seconds for the story to play out.
- I liked how they wrapped things up with Leia, Luke, Owen, Bail, and Kenobi.  Luke/Ben still don't have much of a relationship.  Leia is stronger and still independent.  Kenobi has refound his Jedi mojo.

Series commentary:
Overall I enjoyed it.  There were some uneven parts and goofy things early on, but ultimately it was entertaining and far better than BoBF.  I'd probably give it 4 out of 5 stars and I had fairly high expectations going in.  Sure it could have been more complex, more clever, and developed the characters more, but it was still a fun ride and a solid effort. 

Its gotta be tough writing a story around such key, core characters without messing with the canon.  We know everyone survives, so creating tension and drama was probably a challenge.  The Andor series will have a lot more room to operate, but we still know he doesn't die in the series.  Ultimately creating all new characters like The Mandalorian and Grogu is a challenge, but is probably the most interesting as the writers have tons a freedom and we're never quite sure what is going to happen to the lead characters.

I'm not sure if they've talked about a second season for Kenobi or if this is it.  I wouldn't mind another season with another adventure (ideally without Leia and Luke), but would be totally okay if this is how they left the Kenobi story line.