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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Matt_Fury on January 15, 2021, 07:31 PM
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Other than Spider-Man: Far From Home, which I consider an epilogue to Endgame, we have our first foray into the MCU with Wandavision. I won't go into spoilers yet so everyone has a chance to watch it, but man there is a lot going on in just the first two episodes.
This could be one hell of a ride!
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I'm not a hard core Marvel nerd like I am a Star Wars nerd, so I'm going to need one of you to explain to me all the things I missed in the first two episodes of WandaVision.
Overall I thought it was just okay, but then again I may have missed a bunch of stuff. Saw some Stark Industries and Hydra Easter eggs, but nothing obvious enough for me to understand what is going on.
Kinda cool how they're spoofing old sitcom style shows, but that is going to wear off pretty soon if they don't get something more clever and interesting.
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I haven't watched the show yet. I only watched the "Legends" featurettes on Disney+, which were basically a giant clip reel for both Wanda and Vision. Conceptually this show comes across as a little weird when you watch the trailers and promos. But I got the sense that this takes place in the two years between the events of Civil War and Infinity War.
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Nick, it's definitely weird....but there's a purpose behind it, at least that's the sense I get from watching.
Also, I'm pretty sure this is happening post Endgame.
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Pretty sure I read that this is post Endgame as well. One of the big mysteries is why Vision is still alive in the post Endgame era. I haven't read up on anything from the show and Marvel is really good about keeping spoilers under wraps anyway, but here are some potential things going on from the comics.
#1 - In the comics, Wanda wields chaos magic. Its often manifested as telekinesis or power bolts, but chaos magic is really an ability to change probabilities. She's making really improbable things 100% probable. It's unlikely that a glass of water would instantly appear in front of you - Wanda's power can make it happen. If you play that out to the extremes, she can basically bend reality. Stuff like bringing Vision back to life or immaculate conception are within the realm of those abilities, though I don't think she can create souls. She uses the power to have twin boys in the comics even though Vision can't produce children. I'm questioning whether that's really Vision or just a memory-based version of him based on her whims. Anyway, she has bent reality in the comics during times of extreme stress, so losing Vision in endgame (along with Stark and earlier her brother, etc.) might have pushed her over the edge.
#2 - There is a recent storyline in the comics about a place called Pleasantville. SHIELD gets ahold of a fragment of the cosmic cube (AKA the tesseract, AKA the Space Stone) and uses it to create a sort of jail for super criminals. Rather than locking them up where they are focused on escape, they transform the bad guys into regular townspeople with different identities who have no idea of their actual powers. Given a simple life in a monitored, secure town that never has any conflict, it works to keep them separated from society for a while. There could be something similar going on where someone has locked Wanda up in old TV show reality to keep her from bending the real world.
#3 - There are a LOT of Easter Eggs on the show. The toy she finds is painted to match Iron Man's armor and has the logo of S.W.O.R.D. on it. SWORD is like a space defense version of SHIELD to protect against extraterrestrial threats. (Think CIA vs. FBI) Their "Sword in a circle" logo shows up on the desk and a monitor of whoever is monitoring Wanda at the end of the first episode and I think its on the bee-keeper guy's back as well. They could be trying to find her or they could be the ones who locked her up, but they're definitely involved with the logo showing up multiple times now. This is probably just me, but I thought Bee Keeper guy also looked a little like an A.I.M. scientist. AIM was another bad guy group trying to harness various elements of science and magic for world domination and they were founded by...Baron Von Strucker.
#4 - There is a commercial in each episode, the first featuring Stark Industries (her parents were killed by a Stark bomb) and the second featuring Hydra, and more specifically Strucker (The briefly seen bad guy who experimented on Wanda and Quicksilver in Age of Ultron and founder of AIM). Those could be red herrings or just aspects of Wanda's imagination or sources of pain from her past. Or either of those groups could be applying tech/magic to keep Wanda imprisoned.
#5 - All the numbers in the show map to significant numbers like comic book issues. I didn't catch these at first, but saw a video highlighting some of them. Their house number 2800 could refer to Earth 2800, an alternate reality in the comics where the Avengers formed a little differently (more like the movies). The last 4 digits of the phone number on the for-sale-sign of the house they're moving into are 0125. Issue #125 of the Avengers is when they battle Thanos. The time on the Hydra watch is 2:42 - issue 242 is where Vision's body is repaired and he is reunited with Wanda. That comic is also a lead into the original Secret Wars, where an entity known as the Beyonder teleports a number of Marvel heroes and villains to a place called Battleworld to see who will win. The Beyonder is an Alien (time to call SWORD) and has reality altering powers (so would want to keep Wanda in check). Heck, even the dinner date on the 23rd matches the number of Marvel Movies that precede WandaVision. Clearly a lot of though went into creating hints and easter eggs that will hopefully pay off as the show unfolds.
#6 - The neighbor, Agnes, is likely a witch name Agatha Harkness. In the comics, Auntie Agatha is a mentor to the Scarlet Witch and teaches her to user her powers. She's sometimes helpful and sometimes a villain, so not sure how they're going to use her. She does have a cackle like a witch in one of the previews. In the comics, she wipes the knowledge of Wanda's kids from her mind to keep her from going insane about losing them. She might be the one controlling the TV reality or helping keep Wanda trapped, even as she mentor's Wanda about how to navigate Westview.
I've even considered that this isn't Wanda's doing, but Vision's. He was the one carrying around the Mind Stone. Did the destruction of the Mind Stone cause a pocket reality where Vision is still alive? Maybe Wanda went looking for him and Vision/It is blocking her memories because it doesn't want to let her go. Cap would have returned the Mind Stone to the Hydra elevator guys, right? Did they catch on that something wasn't right and use it to muck things up? So many different possibilities.
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This last episode was awesome! Lots of answers, even more new questions, and some great character introductions!
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Seeing "The Blip" as it came to be known in 'Spider-man - Far From Home' in this most recent episode was a big change from what we saw in the Spidey movie.
There are still a huge number of questions related to the storyline of this series. And I think we had to expect that a lot of this could have to do with Wanda's powers. I'm wondering if the show might explore a bit of Vision's comic book storyline where his AI wound up inhabiting the computer at the Avengers mansion? It could be a way to bring the character back.
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Man, for a person who's just not versed in the comics, this series is very tough to watch. I just don't catch the subtle references at all.
I was hoping for some good action, and I'll hang on in the hopes it comes. The sit-com schtick has grown old, and didn't take long. I'm not ripping the series by any means, just with my tastes, preferences, and background knowledge make it really hard to watch and not be bored.
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Two cool moments from the latest episode... Woo used a card trick, a callback to his interaction with Scott Lang in AM2. They also opened the door for the FF by introducing the idea of cosmic rays.
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Lots to decompress in this newest episode.
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Seeing "The Blip" as it came to be known in 'Spider-man - Far From Home' in this most recent episode was a big change from what we saw in the Spidey movie.
How so?
I love that they wrote that into the storyline and seeing Monica "reintegrate" was really cool. I geek out when all this stuff connects together. I'm totally biased towards this show because the Marvel back stories were a huge part of my childhood. Just seeing things like the original costumes on Halloween or the accelerated development and growth of Tommy and Billy already makes the show a hit for me. It definitely got off to a slow start, but I haven't hung on a new show like this since early seasons of Walking Dead.
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Episode 7 was awesome. There's a mid credit scene in this one.
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Seeing "The Blip" as it came to be known in 'Spider-man - Far From Home' in this most recent episode was a big change from what we saw in the Spidey movie.
How so?
I love that they wrote that into the storyline and seeing Monica "reintegrate" was really cool. I geek out when all this stuff connects together. I'm totally biased towards this show because the Marvel back stories were a huge part of my childhood. Just seeing things like the original costumes on Halloween or the accelerated development and growth of Tommy and Billy already makes the show a hit for me. It definitely got off to a slow start, but I haven't hung on a new show like this since early seasons of Walking Dead.
In Far From Home the people who vanished in the snap just re-appeared very quickly. In WandaVision Monica Rambeau re-appears in what looks like the reverse of the disintegrations that we saw in Infinity War. It looks more dramatic, definitely. Just not like what we saw in Far From Home.
It was cool to see where Monica's story arc went yesterday. It looks like they're working towards the Monica Rambeau version of Captain Marvel now
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Overall, I really enjoyed WandaVision. Although there were things I expected to happen in the finale that didn't (from what I've seen a lot had to be dropped due to the rona), I thought it was a great overall story....which oddly happens before Spider-Man Far From Home.
This was a nice set-up for Doctor Strange II and I'm excited to see that one!
Now bring on Falcon & The Winter Soldier!
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So we move from WandaVision into Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
I think this show is going to resonate more with the non-comic book fans because it's more grounded that WandaVision (not to disparage that show at all....I thought it was great!)
I won't get into it now after only one viewing and not wanting to spoil anything...but the pilot is a great set-up episode and gives us a better understanding of the world post blip.
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I wasn't sure what to make of WandaVision when they began showing the clips from the show. It came together in a great way and it truly fleshed out Wanda's character.
I watched the first episode of The Falcon & The Winter Soldier this morning. It's been pretty interesting so far. I was not expecting a couple of characters to turn up in the first episode, but they were a pleasant surprise.
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I'm 5 episodes in for WandaVision right now, enjoying it for sure. Super quirky concept, funny and serious at the same time... nicely done.
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I spent the last few days watching Wandavision... I'm not the closest follower of the Marvel movies and all the tiny tidbits and easter eggs like I am with Star Wars, but it's still a fun ride. I enjoyed the comedic take on TV through the decades, especially the commercials. Ending fell a bit flat for me for reasons I haven't been able to comprehend, but I'm excited to see where things go from here.
Obviously this was a setup for Doctor Strange II, which we know is going to deal with the Multiverse, and I'm thinking that based on some of the lines and casting choices, Disney is planning on introducing the Fantastic Four and the X-Men into the MCU.
I'll likely check out Falcon and Winter Soldier when all episodes have aired, so I can binge it.
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I'm enjoying the places where The Falcon and The Winter Soldier is going. And it's probably because so much in the series is drawing from past Marvel storylines. Wyatt Russell is doing a good job with portraying John Walker, and the storyline really does line up well with the story of the character who eventually became known as the U.S. Agent.
I've also been pleased to see the character development for both Sam and Bucky. They're both much more fully fleshed out. The way Bucky is trying to make amends and move forward is clearly not easy given his guilt over what he did as the Winter Soldier. And it was even more interesting to see how his time in Wakanda has shaped who he is after Civil War.
Sam has a complicated path to walk. Bucky has not relented in asking him why he gave up the shield. And when you look at who took it up you have to agree to an extent. While Steve had confidence in the potential for Sam to take up the mantle of Captain America, Sam definitely didn't feel up to that challenge. The things that Dr. Erskine saw in Steve Rogers as a young man only grew greater during Steve's time as Captain America. Who could possibly live up to that? Steve was even worthy of wielding Mjolnir when he fought Thanos! But for Sam? His personal life is not easy, and the scene with him and his sister at the bank made me angry for him. And when Bucky brought Sam to meet Elijah you could see the harsh realities of race in America even if you were a super soldier or an Avenger.
Daniel Bruehl returning as Zemo is actually one of the most interesting characters of the series. And between him and the Flag Smashers you can really see that things in the world of the Marvel Cinematic Universe are not clear cut at all.
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I agree Nick, Falcon and the Winter Soldier is outstanding! The latest episode is incredible.
One thing I really like about it is the look we're getting into the world post blip as well as what it was like during those 5 years where half of existence was gone. They touch on it in Endgame showing some people were having trouble moving on, but in those five years a lot of people did come together to keep society going. It's an interesting point that when everyone came back that some people did not want all of the hard work they've done over the previous five years to not matter and might not be happy with everyone returning.
That aspect was barely touched on in Endgame (mainly because there was no real time to consider the after effects) and was only slightly mentioned in Spider-Man: Far From Home. It's really cool to see them give that aspect of the universe a good look.
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Yeah, the post-blip situation is interesting. I mean, I could see a spouse moving on considering the other's died, remarry, and then find out they're back. That would mess with the mind. And then all the weird legal stuff involving wills, insurance... the list is endless.
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So Falcon and the Winter Soldier is complete. My only complaint is that we have o wait until 11 June to see Loki!
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I think it might some time before there are Marvel series ready to run from one into the next on Disney+. I don't think they want to dilute the quality of the shows from the MCU. Although I am wondering if Disney might secure the rights to all of the Defenders shows from Netflix - Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher, Defenders, etc. Those shows would fit in well in the Marvel channel on the platform.
I like how Sam's story has come full circle. He wound up inspiring Steve with his old job counseling veterans, and we saw that Steve took on that job after the snap, counseling survivors. And it was pretty clear that they developed a really good friendship from the Winter Soldier storyline all the way through Infinity War. It makes Steve's choice at the end of Endgame that much more understandable. It just took until the end of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier for Sam to realize why, and the significance of what he was doing. I think his choices in the final episode of the series would have made Steve proud.
Bucky had a really complicated road to walk. But it was good to see him shake loose a lot of his past and really come back to life at long last. Maybe it took him confronting the Flag Smashers and Walker to really come to grips with himself. And his act of reaching out to the Wakandans to help Sam was huge. I'm interested to see where his character goes from here.
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I know it models the comics, but count me among those that don't love Sam as the new Cap. I like the way they did it, but I would have liked to see Bucky with the shield instead. Plus his costume is a little cornball. That said, I think this is exactly the right time to do a story where a black American finds a way to represent a government that has not been historically kind to people of color. It felt a little forced at times, but hopefully it sends a positive message to those that need to hear it.
I liked the series overall, but didn't love it. The chemistry with Sam and Bucky is great and Zemo was awesome. I could have used more setup with Sharon Carter - how did she get to where she's at now as the Power Broker? That's a big change from the PB's storyline in the comics. I also didn't really understand what the Flag Smashers were fighting for. They want things to go back to how they were before all the Blip people came back, but what did they want to do with all the blip people? I wish they had come up with a better motivation for these guys - or maybe I'm the only one that really didn't get what they were fighting for.
Curious to see what happens to Walker next. He kind of redeemed himself at the end (happy ending!), but I thought he was better as a mentally unstable rogue agent. I would have liked to see him lose everything versus just a court martial, then have some shady government agency scoop him up as a black-ops punisher-style super agent. As it stands, he looks like just another super strong hero to jump around in the background. JLD as Val was a nice surprise, as was seeing the raft. I think we're heading towards a Raft break-out eventually, which would be a fun storyline to watch.
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I know it models the comics, but count me among those that don't love Sam as the new Cap. I like the way they did it, but I would have liked to see Bucky with the shield instead. Plus his costume is a little cornball. That said, I think this is exactly the right time to do a story where a black American finds a way to represent a government that has not been historically kind to people of color. It felt a little forced at times, but hopefully it sends a positive message to those that need to hear it.
I liked the series overall, but didn't love it. The chemistry with Sam and Bucky is great and Zemo was awesome. I could have used more setup with Sharon Carter - how did she get to where she's at now as the Power Broker? That's a big change from the PB's storyline in the comics. I also didn't really understand what the Flag Smashers were fighting for. They want things to go back to how they were before all the Blip people came back, but what did they want to do with all the blip people? I wish they had come up with a better motivation for these guys - or maybe I'm the only one that really didn't get what they were fighting for.
Curious to see what happens to Walker next. He kind of redeemed himself at the end (happy ending!), but I thought he was better as a mentally unstable rogue agent. I would have liked to see him lose everything versus just a court martial, then have some shady government agency scoop him up as a black-ops punisher-style super agent. As it stands, he looks like just another super strong hero to jump around in the background. JLD as Val was a nice surprise, as was seeing the raft. I think we're heading towards a Raft break-out eventually, which would be a fun storyline to watch.
Agreed with just about all of that, especially in regards to Sam's outfit. That was just weird. And yeah, the societal commentary seemed a bit forced at times and I wish it would have been more subtle and nuanced. I think it would have a bigger effect. And yes, some folks need to hear that. I was a bit confused about why Bucky's arm seemed to be "under powered" and incapable of doing some things, especially in that last battle. I know he was fighting some other folks with the super serum, but he seemed to be underwhelming compared to the way we've seen him in previous movies.
I'm not up on the comics, so I have no idea how everything ties together. I hope to see a ton more of Bucky and Sam in the next set of movies. I've always been a fan of those two.
All in all, I'll rank this series ahead of Wandavision as far as holding my interest. I'm looking forward to the next series of events.
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I'm not up on the comics, so I have no idea how everything ties together.
They only loosely follow the comic stuff anyway - taking what they like for the MCU and rearranging the rest. Sharon as the Power Broker is a great example of that - its a totally different guy in the comics and I don't think turns bad. Seems a bit out character for her being such a loyal SHIELD agent. I haven't followed modern stuff for several years now, but Sam-Cap sticks around for a long time in the comics (I think he's still the current Cap), so don't expect to see that weird outfit going away. They do bring back Old Man Steve Rodgers for a while (still has his super serum strength and fights in an armored suit). They eventually find a way to make him young again (clone body I think?). I doubt MCU would incorporate any of that, but will be interesting to see what they do with Captain America 4. A film mostly featuring Sam, but with a Chris Evans return would be kind of cool.
Still another six weeks to Loki - that feels like forever!
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I loved it, although I wish the episodes had been shorter like WandaVision. The quality is so much better then those previous Marvel shows.
I still find it weird that they never alluded to where Old Man Steve was or what he was doing, aside from the jokes about being on the moon.
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I still find it weird that they never alluded to where Old Man Steve was or what he was doing, aside from the jokes about being on the moon.
Yeah, I wasn't sure if old man Steve really died or if that was just the cover story they told the regular folks? I guess they wanted it opened ended in case Chris Evans wants back into the MCU at a future date?
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So far the Loki series is kind of different. But I'm liking what I've seen. The whole DB Cooper thing was a cool tangent. And seeing someone break down who Loki really is was a bit of a departure.
I suspect that we're on the verge of seeing a multiverse emerge, which seems to be where the next Dr. Strange movie is going. The variants are an interesting development. The one that was revealed at the end of the second episode was reminiscent of another Asgardian who popped up on Agents of SHIELD a while back.
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Spider-Man: No Way Home trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt-2cxAiPJk)
I have the weirdest boner right now.
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Some spoilers for those that haven't watched the D+ shows.
I finished Loki the other night. Weird, okay, but a little disappointing. Caveat - I'm not a Marvel guy so I haven't read the comics and really just care about a good story.
I've also watched WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
I get that the MCU Disney+ stories are building toward a multiverse story in the movies, but I'm less than satisfied when the Disney+ series just sort of end without anything resembling a resolution.
WandaVision ended without me really understanding what happened to Vision (white version) and the kids. I'm not sure that Wanda even cared.
Loki ended it total chaos without people even recognizing one another.
Falcon and The Winter Soldier is the only series that seemed mostly self contained with a beginning and an end. It was the only one that felt satisfying to watch, and the only one that held my kid's interest. They both bailed early on WandaVision and Loki.
I'm not sure what's next in MCU D+ lineup, but I sure hope it has a coherent story otherwise I may be giving up on watching these series with any sort of interest. I'm not really interested in watching 10+ hours of content to learn that Wanda has more powers, a multiverse exists, and things are going to get a little nuts. That should be able to be covered in the beginning of any movie where its relevant. I'm a little worried the next SpiderMan is going to be more of the same that we saw in Loki - e.g. "here comes the multiverse and its a mess".
I'm assuming the target audience for these D+ series is hard core Marvel nerds (looking at you JediJman) and not more casual Marvel fans like myself.
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I believe several of the upcoming movies involve the multiverse, so not sure if there will be resolution soon. Of course, I may likely be wrong since I’m not as big of a fan as others on here.
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I'm looking forward to Shang Chi next weekend. Early reviews are really good. The fact that they didn't put an embargo on reporting reviews is a good sign as well!
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I forgot to mention that I took my kids to go see Shang Chi this weekend.
We really enjoyed the movie and the ties to the overall MCU are intresting.
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I'm mixed on moving forward with Marvel. I'm sure there stories will be great, but it will be hard to get past not seeing the Avengers It kills me that we won't have Cap and Iron Man as we have known them.
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I'm mixed on moving forward with Marvel. I'm sure there stories will be great, but it will be hard to get past not seeing the Avengers It kills me that we won't have Cap and Iron Man as we have known them.
I hear you, but will be very surprised if we never see them again.
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Do you think the multi-verse is going to pull all the dead main characters back in to a common timeline - Captain America, Black Widown, Loki, etc.?
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Do you think the multi-verse is going to pull all the dead main characters back in to a common timeline - Captain America, Black Widown, Loki, etc.?
Well, they can do anything ow that they've introduced the multi-verse. It literally opens the door for any possibility including bringing back dead characters or completely resetting the MCU as we know it at any time. My prediction is that we'll see a bunch of other stuff over the next several years as they continue to introduce different characters and teams. We'll probably get Dark Avengers, Young Avengers and of course the X-Men and Fantastic Four and maybe less focus on the Avengers for a while. But then at some point in the future you're going to get a mirror image of the final Star Wars trilogy where those beloved originals make a comeback as old mentors. I will be shocked if we never see RDJ's Iron Man again or an aged Chris Evans back as Cap. Or at least other actors portraying those original characters. It feels inevitable. Very few characters actually die and go away forever in the comics. The only exception there might be Scarlett Johansson or other actors with a grudge against the studio.
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Marvel Studios’ Hawkeye | Official Trailer | Disney+ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VYb3B1ETlk)
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That looks like it's going to be fun!
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I forgot to mention that I took my kids to go see Shang Chi this weekend.
We really enjoyed the movie and the ties to the overall MCU are interesting.
I thought Shang Chi was great. While it did feel like a Marvel movie, it felt more like a love letter to the great Kung Fu movies. I'm real excited to see where it goes in phase 4 and beyond and how it connects to the rest of the MCU. THe rings I'm guessing are either tech from the Multiverse or they have something to do with the Eternals... which also looks good and I'm planning on trying to go to that this weekend.
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Gong to see Eternals tomorrow. Not really sure what to expect from this one, but I trust in the Marvel team's plan...they've been well so far.
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Gong to see Eternals tomorrow. Not really sure what to expect from this one, but I trust in the Marvel team's plan...they've been well so far.
Saw it last night and it was just so-so. They did a good job misdirecting the plot, but you could tell kind of early on that not everyone on the team was on the same page. I don't want to say more than that for plot spoilers, but I'll add that for me they never really come together as a "team" the way the Guardians and the Avengers do. Lots of plot holes in this one and it frankly just felt like a long set up/introduction to me. I did like the battle scenes and the side characters like Dane.
Also, for anyone that uses Marcus Cinemas, they have a deal going through the weekend where you get $15 for buying a $50 gift card. Not hard to use up between this and Spidey 3 on the horizon.
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Read that Charlie Cox will be officially brought into the MCU as Daredevil. That to me is exciting news. Hopefully we get the rest of the crew. Maybe a tie in with Hawkeye?
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Oh man! That's really exciting. I really hope an announcement about Kingpin / Vincent D'Onofrio isn't far behind...
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Very welcome news! Out of all of the Netflix Marvel series Daredevil was my personal favorite. Are we going to get a Daredevil Disney+ series that picks up where the Netflix show left off? Will Disney+ acquire all of the Marvel Netflix series?
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Oh man! That's really exciting. I really hope an announcement about Kingpin / Vincent D'Onofrio isn't far behind...
With all the hints in Hawkeye about Kingpin, I'm expecting him to show up in the series!
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Oh man! That's really exciting. I really hope an announcement about Kingpin / Vincent D'Onofrio isn't far behind...
Yeah, me too. He's really great in that role... Maybe they are waiting because he might (speculating) show up in Hawkeye to make the announcement?
But Vincent was pretty cool in congratulating Charlie on the announcement.
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Very welcome news! Out of all of the Netflix Marvel series Daredevil was my personal favorite. Are we going to get a Daredevil Disney+ series that picks up where the Netflix show left off? Will Disney+ acquire all of the Marvel Netflix series?
From what I recall, the rights reverted back to Disney after 3 years or something like that, at least with the characters and stories themselves. I'd doubt that we'd see the original Netflix series ever move to Disney+.
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This dropped this morning:
Marvel Studios' Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness | Official Teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_UqUm38BI)
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Unrelated? I resumed watching the Netflix Daredevil series. I wrapped up season 2 and have begun watching season 3. But I'm not sure where some of the other Netflix series fit into the timeline.
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Spider-Man No Way home. :o
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Spider-Man No Way home. :o
:o :D
I ******* loved it. There were so many great moments. I may go see it again.
This dropped this morning:
Marvel Studios' Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness | Official Teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_UqUm38BI)
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Unrelated? I resumed watching the Netflix Daredevil series. I wrapped up season 2 and have begun watching season 3. But I'm not sure where some of the other Netflix series fit into the timeline.
Here's the full watch order for all the Netflix shows.
- Daredevil (Season 1)
- Jessica Jones (Season 1)
- Daredevil (Season 2)
- Luke Cage (Season 1)
- Iron Fist (Season 1)
- The Defenders (Limited Series)
- The Punisher (Season 1)
- Jessica Jones (Season 2)
- Luke Cage (Season 2)
- Iron Fist (Season 2)
- Daredevil (Season 3)
- The Punisher (Season 2)
- Jessica Jones (Season 3)
Iron First is garbage and can be skipped IMO. And Defenders was a big letdown unfortunately. Otherwise I enjoyed the rest. Daredevil was definitely my favorite of the bunch.
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The Daredevil series is the best of them. I still don't know if this makes any of the Netflix stuff canon or if that was another dimension and we just also have a Daredevil in the MCU now.
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One thing that the D+ Marvel series have over the Netflix ones is that their more limited run time makes them more focused in terms of storytelling. I liked a lot of the Netflix stuff (until I hit Iron Fist) but it all seemed sort of bloated.
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After the new Spiderman, I started binging all the Netflix stuff since I had skipped them since they weren't a part of the MCU. I'm up to Iron Fist Season 2. If they wanted to, they could fit them into the MCU as far as I can see. They reference the events of the original Avengers movie and that is about it. I believe Captain America is the only name drop. They mention Hulk and Thor without using the names. There is Hammer tech with the Hammer logo, but haven't mentioned Justin Hammer directly. Not sure if the timeline hits the snap or not so that might require an explanation. I would think they would use the same characters with the same actors and do their own thing. A continuation of any of the series would be interesting, but I doubt that would happen. It would be too much of a different feel I think. With the exception of Defenders, all the Netflix shows are 13 episode seasons with nearly one hour run times per episode. That it is twice the episodes and probably about 15 minutes or so more per episode than any of the Disney+ series.
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I enjoyed Moon Knight. :)
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Me too!
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Me three....that first episode was crazy!
Looks to be a fun ride!
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Pretty good mystery so far. Love seeing the different personalities come to life!
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Is anyone else struggling to get through Ms. Marvel? Feels like a steep drop off from Loki and WandaVision and stuff like that. Also realize I am not the intended audience for this show, but I try to watch all the MCU ones. This one has been a real challenge. :-\
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I really struggled with Moon Knight, but thought Dr. Strange and the Multiverse was entertaining.
I'll probably download and watch Ms. Marvel on some flights later this summer/fall.
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This new phase of the MCU has felt a little bit trying. Endgame was such a climactic event that anything after it was going to have some difficulty getting traction.
Wanda Vision was just weird until you got about 2/3rds of the way through. But it’s essential viewing before going into Dr Strange and The Multiverse of Madness. I felt like Moon Knight was a bit of a struggle, too. And it’s not exactly easy to make mental illness into comic book fare.
I’ve actually been enjoying Ms Marvel, and my daughter loves it! Kamala Khan is not that much older than her, and I think she really appreciates seeing a young girl finding her way as a super hero. And I also find myself sympathetic to her parents, too.
I’m really looking forward to seeing the new Thor movie, and so is the kid.
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I agree that the MCU seems to be having trouble finding its footing after Endgame. Thee have been some really good (Spider-Man: Far From Home and No Way Home along with Loki, Falcon & Winter Soldier, Wandavision) and some meh (Doctor Strange, Thor: Love and Thunder, Eternals).
I think there's a lot of potential with making Kang the next Thanos level villain, and I don't want him thrown into everything right away, but right now, the stories are all over the place.
I haven't even given Ms Marvel a look yet because I just wasn't impressed with the trailers. I'll probably get around to it, but it might be a while.
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I've been enjoying Ms. Marvel as well. There are some Indian/Pakistani cultural references in the show that if you aren't aware of them, you won't get them. But it's been fun seeing how it all plays out so far.
I haven't gotten to Thor yet, too, but am curious to see how it is.
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I haven't gotten to Thor yet, too, but am curious to see how it is.
I wasn't very impressed with it. There's a lot of forced humor and they've sacrificed the story for the sake of scoring woke points. The whole Zeus plotline was terrible....like worse than Canto Bight terrible.
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I guess it has just felt uneven to me. I watched Ep 5 last night and really enjoyed it. I hate to say it, but I may be getting to that age where I just prefer watching grown ups on tv. :D
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I haven't gotten to Thor yet, too, but am curious to see how it is.
I wasn't very impressed with it. There's a lot of forced humor and they've sacrificed the story for the sake of scoring woke points. The whole Zeus plotline was terrible....like worse than Canto Bight terrible.
We really enjoyed the first four episodes of Ms. Marvel as a family, then forgot all about it when we went on vacation. I expected to not like it at all and don't like the comic character, so it beat my low expectations I guess.
Also checked out the new Thor L&T last week. Consensus from the group I went with was a 7 out of 10. The bad guy could have been badder, some of the plot elements like Zues and Korg were pretty dumb (I'm just a face!), and it felt like a teen romance at times despite Jane and Thor being much older and serious in prior films. I did enjoy the goats and there were a lot of laughs, but it makes Ragnarok look like a serious drama in comparison. I thought there'd be more material with the Guardians - if Guardians III hasn't been derailed I wonder if we'd have gotten a fun Guardians/Thor ride that this film could have better connected to and built off of. As it is, it felt like I missed a couple of issues of a comic somewhere between this and Endgame.
It's a good popcorn flick, but like other Phase 4 material it doesn't seem to carry the importance or tie-ins with the larger story that made the earlier Marvel stuff so successful. In my opinion, they've got way too many different unanswered plot lines dangling out there for most people to keep straight (or care about). I can't tell if the Avengers are still around, what's going on with all the characters from the TV shows (Falcon, Winter Soldier, White Vision, Hawkeye(s), Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, etc. What's going on with the celestials from Eternals and what are Fury and the Skrulls doing? Are Hulk, Ant Man, Wasp, Captain Marvel, War Machine, Photon, etc. all just going on solo adventures or taking a break? Dr. Strange helped clean up the Wanda Vision plot, but now I'm not even sure if all these stories are from the same dimension. And where does venom fit in if at all? It's crazy to think Fantastic Four and X-Men are coming somehow too. I'm a die hard Marvel fan, but it's almost too many different stories now without an Avengers movie helping to anchor the broader story.
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I saw Thor L&T today. Frankly, I'm beyond surprised that I was able to avoid the spoilers about who shows up in the credits scene. I think that there's been a good partnership between Chris Hemsworth and Taika Waititi. Ragnarok was great. The jokes seemed a little more on the nose in this one. And the use of the music in certain scenes was good, but maybe a little bit heavy handed. And the goats? OMFG! I was laughing out loud at them a lot!
Truthfully? I think the motivations of Gorr were about as well developed as they could be. And it made him a more sympathetic villain. I don't think it's on par with the story of Eric Killmonger in "Black Panther", but it made things easier to digest.
Thor seems to be one of the vehicles in the MCU for exploring these other-worldy places and beings. That was certainly at play with Eternals. And when the scene came in Thor L&T I wasn't completely shocked to see a pair of Celestials in Ominpotent City. The introduction of Eternity was surprising, but also gives us a sense of the bigger universe.
As for where things go? It seems clear that some big pieces are moving around the board for the next phase in the MCU. Thor is still a major player. The Marvels is going to be coming soon. Vision is out there, albeit in a very different state. One particular future Avenger was introduced in Eternals. And another possible Avenger has seemingly just been announced. There's also the matter of the people we saw in Dr. Strange & The Multiverse of Madness. That opens pretty substantial possibilities moving forward.
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It seems I like the new Thor better than most. I think Hemsworth has made peace with this being his big franchise so I believe he will be one of the original actors to stick around for a while. I'm still surprised they have kept this whole train running. Phase 4 seems a bit all over the place currently, but I think we will eventually see everything pulled back in to focus around Kang. MCU is still heads and shoulders better than the DC movies, not even sure you can call it a universe anymore.
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Anyone watch She-Hulk? My daughter and I watch it together and we watched the finale last night.
It was a really strange series but funny at times. The 4th wall stuff bugged me at times but other points it was OK.
Not going to spoil it, but there were some very large regular Bruce-Hulk developments that happened during the show, definitely setting a bunch of Bruce-Hulk stuff up for future MCU stuff. Was weird to see it dropped into She-Hulk like that (same for Daredevil , I guess).
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Anyone watch She-Hulk?
Is it worth watching? I watched the first few episodes but lost momentum.
I plowed through Moon Knight and ultimately thought it wasn't worth my time.
I mostly enjoyed Hawkeye, Loki, and Falcon & WS. Wanda Vision was so-so.
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Is it worth watching?
It was alright. She-Hulk certainly had a lot to say about about the internet fanboys whining about lady-Thor, lady-Hulk, lady-Hawkeye, etc. (https://jedidefender.com/jsmentek/lol.gif)
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I've been watching it. Haven't got to the finale yet, but I've been enjoying it. I just think She-Hulk is a different kind of show than what we're used to with the Marvel shows, especially with breaking the 4th wall and maybe filling in some 'loose ends'.
I always wondered why Jennifer's grows in length for the first few episodes, but I figure if the rest of her body grows when she changes into She-Hulk, then I suppose hair growth is also affected.
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My wife and I watched She-Hulk and enjoyed it for what it was. Definitely being used to set up things for the future. And I absolutely loved the intro for the finale. Brought me right back to watching The Incredible Hulk as a kid. Interested to see where they take the characters they've introduced.
Overall I've liked how they have developed each streaming series to be different from what we've seen in the MCU and absolutely different from each other. Really looking forward to the new series in development and Season 2 of several of these series.
Oh, and Black Panther Wakanda Forever looks amazing and can't wait to go see that!
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She Hulk was ok, I would've had a much lower opinion if Jennifer wasn't breaking the fourth wall every show.
I think the ending could've been better. Not horrible, not great...just kinda meh.