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Multimedia => The Original Trilogy => Topic started by: Hemish on February 6, 2005, 03:15 AM
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Ok so were there any moments for you that were cringe worthy??
I still cringe at the syringe on the interogation droid, i hate that thing with a passion
Can't stand that luke gets all whiney about ol ben dying but didn't really get to messed up when his good buddy biggs dies.
For empire the only line i hate is Reikens "a death mark is not an easy thing to live with" that for some reason just annoys me
Jedi well it's gotta be the crappy background paintings when jabbas barge blows up and when the magnet comes down to pick up r2 and 3po, with his digital technology you'd think he could have atleast fixed those 2 up????
Anything else give anyone the craps ???
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"Jedi Rocks." Greedo could shoot first from now until the end of time as long as they got rid of that piece of **** song. To quote the bard Homer (Simpson), "John Williams is rolling over in his grave." Why they couldn't have just done an "expanded" performance of "Lapti Nek" is beyond me. Add all the new musicians and background dancers if you want, and while "Lapti Nek" may have sucked, it's "Comfortably Numb" next to "Jedi Rocks."
Oh, and the SE "Hey Kids! I'm Boba Fett!" moment still makes me groan 8 years after the fact.
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-Greedo shooting first... It never ever will look "right". The only way that scene will ever be normal or look realistic is if Han cold-bloodedly kills Greedo to not have to pay-up to Jabba. No ifs, ands, or buts to this.
-The weird disipating (sp?) smoke on the AT-ST that Chewie blows up shooting it with his AT-ST. ****** effect.
-Luke/Leia's swing that's impossible... Just don't like that they leave the barge via a means that, unless there's some rigging unknown, it's not possible. I hate that.
-The "scale" of the Endor Battle... not that I dislike it, it's a great battle, but to me it's something I wish he would've added many MANY ships to via CGI. It needs much more clutter. :)
-Enhancing the Stormtrooper bumping his head... It's a mistake, the "clank" wasn't necessary to actually point it out. It was better as a hidden joke only dorks knew.
-Sy Snootles in Jedi Rocks... I liked the puppet. The rest I kinda like, but the puppet is better than CGI Sy.
-Vader's motioning with no dialogue... Cut the damn thing out. It's funny to see from my nerd POV but it's distracting.
-Expand the Yavin battle... Again, like Endor, I think more ships would do it well. I'd add some A-Wings, and maybe a couple other ships... A TIE Bomber or two perhaps. Just something to expand the battle.
Anyway...
I actually like Riekean's remark, the background art on Jabba's barge (reminds me of the neat details Lucas was once classic for but lacks in the prequals), and stuff like that...
The magnet I can take or leave... it is what it is.
To me, most problems came from the SE's and he even fixed the Luke scream one thankfully. That was atrocious.
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SW peeves/shudders/and other personally-emotional moments.
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*) From the first time I saw SW in theaters (1977) to about 1990, I *always*
got a tingle when the DS blows up. (only the ANH DS)
*) I also got the willies from the IT-O interrogation droid. (In fact, it was that
one quick image that was in the original trailer that I remember the most while
waiting for SW to premier)
*) I dont like that you can still easily spot the boom-arm HOLDING UP the IT-O
droid. It should have been digitally removed long long ago.
*) SE fixes that I didnt like.
I *dont* like the new circular rings when the DS's blow up.
I *dont* like Jabba showing up in Han's docking bay. (Jabba is too powerfull to
be doing his own dirty-work, and he *certainly* doesnt comply with order
made by a man who has once double-crossed him (Han). ("Tell Jabba to
come see me himself...")
Greedo shouldnt miss. The first time we see the film, we should feel that
greedo is a real threat... When we see him miss (!!!???!!!), all we think
is that he's just a bumble-fudge, and a joke. The scene is ruined for every
subsequent viewing forevermore.
*) "Ex-Squeeze Me" -- For the most part, I *dont* share everyone's general dis-like of JarJar,
although I hated this line of dialog. I *did* hate that Obi-Wan called-him a 'pathetic
life form' (umm, very UN-jedi-like). I also didnt like that QuiGon said "I didnt come
here to free slaves". Even if he knew he didnt want to take her with him, I still dont
like that he didnt do more to free her. (OK, so he couldnt 'mind-trick' Watto. He certainly
coulda mind-tricked any of the other gajillion scalawag gamblers to offer up enough to
Watto for him to release (lose) her.
*) !Midi-Chlorians!
*) I really found it weird that Anakin's PODRADER needed to be hauled into the arena by OXEN.
*) similarly, I always thought STORMTROOPERS riding big-ol dinosaurs was weird (although it
*WAS* cool to look at.) I always wondered, Did the StarDestroyers lower the dewbacks down
to the surface? (cuz they really HAUL-ASS, dont they? ;-) ) Talk about a sweet and sexy (and
FAST) ride, eh? Especially when, only later, we see this little invention called A LAND SPEEDER.
Can you imagine three troopers kicking their dewbacks ("Faster Seabiscuit... Faster..") in
hot persuit of Luke in his speeder.
*) I also dont like the funky smoke when chewie blows up the other ATST.
*) I found it weird that when Han runs from the bunker, and ducks, the whole
shield dish (along with a blast radius of maybe 500 yards) is napalmed, but then
we see Han peek up from like 30 ft away and smiles, like he just watched an
M80 go off or something.
*) I hated when the Executor crashes into DS-II, and all this fire comes out (from somewhere).
(maybe it got hit in the gas tank ???)
+) 'spongy' dead jawas (watch the jawa that 3PO throws on the fire when Luke returns
to Ben in the speeder. - its as light as a feather, and bounces when it hits the fire)
+) about luke getting emotional about BEN dying, (and not Biggs), I just think that Luke
was thinking of Ben 'as his new dad' or something. Ben was all that Luke had at that
point. It was only later on, that he realized he was part of a bigger thing that
demanded he 'suck-it-up-soldier'. In the battle of Yavin, Luke knew, and was prepared
for losses.
+) In the one joke-sequence where the asteroid nails the bridge of a SD, and the hologram
'fades-to-black' in front of Vader.. the size and perspective of the asteroid is all
wrong.
+) I know everyone else thought this was UBER-KEWL... but I seriously DISLIKED Jango's
'acoustic' bombs. In fact, I thought this was an editing mistake my first halfdozen
viewings, and I was pissed at Ben Burt. I now know this was intentional, but I still
dont like it. I mean, if we all want to get ridicuously nerdy about it, we can argue
that sound doesnt propagate in space, right? Causing a delay between the flash and
the boom (one one-thousand... two one-thousand...) is a goofy notion.
+) 'continuity' of EMPIRE to JEDI. (yeah, i know a book or two is supposed to happen
in between films). Anyway, at the end of EMPIRE, luke basically gets his azz handed
back to him in a sling. At the opening of JEDI he's all high-n-mighty, can see the
future...yaddayaddayadda. We know he hasnt been back to visit Yoda. He must have read
the "Jedi for IDIOTS" book or something. Han told him to 'dont get cocky'. At the
beginning of Jedi, for me, he looks *waaay* too cocky.
+) in the same vein, Ive always been confused by one scene... when Luke is confronting
Jabba, and he lifts his hood, and says "You'll bring Solo and the Wookie to me...", he
steps forward, and so do all of Jabbas twerps behind Luke... Is Luke 'mind-controlling'
these guys? (are they on Luke's side?), or are they acting like Jabbas henchmen, and
stepping up to close-in on Luke? They seem to be in such 'perfect step' with Luke, I
always saw this as Luke demonstrating a show-of-Jedi-force to Jabba.
*) The universe is a BIIIIIG place... Epic.... One initial draw of the film, for me anyway,
is that its soooo *f-(bomb)ing immense*... Its MIND-BLOWING immense... You're filled with
excitement of imagining and seeing whole new worlds, and new cultures, (dont forget us
teenagers at the time all cut our teeth on vintage TREK - that *did* have an influence)
George missed the boat when he failed to totally realize this. He nailed it right on
with the opening Star Destroyer chasing Leia's ship, and when the Falcon is being tractored
into the DS, and when Vader is chasing our hero's, and we get a close-up view of the SIDE
of a Star Destroyer ('whoa....that *IS* big...'). For me, the BIGNESS of things was
important. Including the universe...
but then ....
then we find out that ...
*) Chewbacca is Luke's godfather !?!
*) Darth Vader is from a little town just outside of MosEisley
*) Greedo is Vader's long lost boyhood pal.
Sometimes, I think that all of a sudden, a million little plywood children in colorfull
outfits should all pop out from somewhere, and all start singing, "ITS A SMALL SMALL
UNIVERSE AFTER ALL...")
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This is one of those threads that, as a dork, I feel an urge to "explain" things when I disagree with someone's dislike of something in the films, haha. That kind of **** is what my friends laugh at me about. :(
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Chewie's Tarzan impersonation
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Sorry, I didnt mean to come across as too negative (jeezo, we see enough of
that dont we?). I still think the films are ten times better than any other line
of cinematic fiction (well, maybe the LOTR films are a close second)
I agree, the tarzan yell was another needless yank back to planet earth.
Amazingly, I meet kids all the time who dont get that joke. They dont know
what Tarzan's yell is. (must not be in the latest disney movie I guess).
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Chewie's Tarzan impersonation
Oh God yes!!
I forgot about that one, there was NO reason for that to be in there at all.
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"Jedi well it's gotta be the crappy background paintings when jabbas barge blows up and when the magnet comes down"
And the Falcon behind Han and Lando.
"I *dont* like the new circular rings when the DS's blow up."
I know someone who is DE-SEing the DVDs, and another person just pointed out that the Anamorphic WOW footage shows the ROTJ DS explosion without the rings. It should be very easy to splice in. 8)
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Willies:
Tauntaun guts- yuck!
Shivers:
Qui-Gon getting the saber
Groan:
Chewie's Tarzan yell
Rolling eyes:
Wesa going home!
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I still hate that Lucas replaced Lak Sivrak (wolfman) with that freakin elephant in the SE. I always liked the wolfman.
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Chewie's Tarzan impersonation
Of all the things I've read in this THREAD...this is the one that I had suppressed enough to not even remember...but now I will curl up in the fetal position and rock back and forth from it's mere mention......
Boba Fett's Death was a Cringer....(almost as bad as Greedo shooting first)
The other ROTJ Cringe I got the first time around was the Luke/Leia sibling thing...I spent 4 years in my "Adventures" pretending that Boba Fett was the "Other"...
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Did I miss it, or has nobody mentioned Leia macking on her brother Luke yet? :o
Have to agree with the Tarzan Chewie impression too. Not to mention most everything related to the Ewoks of course. Fett's flirting with Jabba's dancer was weak, and his pathetic death was definitely willy inducing, just because it was so annoying and lame, followed by that ridiculous burp from the Sarlaac. The other Burp by the Bubo dog thing too.
Han shooting first is an entirely different story though. ::)
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Chewie's Tarzan impersonation
I gotta go with this as well. And it gets worse as I get older.
The inserted Jabba scene in ANH also make me cringe becasue the animation is so under-par.
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Vader's helmet in ANH, those sunglass eyes... urgh.
Poking the AT-AT to tumble over after it's head blows up.
Vader traveling from an ISD at the start of ROTJ. They showboated the Executor in TESB, and it has nothing more than a cameo in ROTJ.
Kissing siblings... eeeew...
The newly added Emperor in TESB. He looks wrong head on, too much showing. The original Emperor had that threatening "You can't see me" darkness.
The Emperor's blobs.
Chewie's Tarzan yell.
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Jabba getting stepped on by Han Solo really bugs me. It almost makes me more upset than Greedo shooting first. Almost.
I have grown to not like the Biggs/Luke exchange before the assault on the Death Star. Mainly Luke's "See Biggs (humongous smile) I told you I would make it someday!" Then we get Biggs' "It will be just like old times." Ummm, ok. I can see why it was cutout the first time.
Luke's SE scream in ESB. Thankfully it has been taken out it the lastest DVD change.
I still don't like how they changed Vader's dialogue after Luke falls down the Bespin core. Now it's something like "Alert my star Destroyer for my arrival"? I don't know but it sounds bad plus the line is so drawn out. Like "IIII ccccccaaaannnnn onleeeee taaaaalk reallllleeee slooooowllleeeeee nooooowwwwww.
ROTJ - For some reason I don't like Fett hitting on Rystaal. I did not mind the dance number or song. I know a lot of people hate it but I'm ok with it.
I am sure there are more but those stick out for me right now.
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I agree with a number of the moments that have been mentioned here so far. The "Jedi Rocks" song change in ROTJ is one of the tops on my list. I just liked the original song, and I agree, I liked the Snootles puppet better for some reason. Of course, there are the other obvious ones....Greedo shooting first, impossible Skiff swing, etc....things like that...particularly the Greedo moment, bother me. We watched ANH and ESB on DVD this weekend, and for some reason, one part that just seems cheezy to me is at the end of ANH, after destroying the Death Star, when the heroes "re-unite". Luke climbs out of the X-Wing, then Leia and Han show up, and the dialogue there just seems silly to me (paraphrasing the lines):"I wasn't gonna let you get all the reward" and "I knew there was more to you than money". I don't know, just seems kind of silly to me...but that's ok I guess, lots of this stuff would be considered silly by a lot of people :). Oh, and the brother/sister kissing scenes still bother me a bit when I see them. I still have a feeling that Lucas didn't have that relationship figured out until later on, even though he says he did.
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This is one of those threads that, as a dork, I feel an urge to "explain" things when I disagree with someone's dislike of something in the films, haha. That kind of **** is what my friends laugh at me about. :(
You should here me teying to justify what exactly .5 past lightspeed is.
.5 of what, exactly? Yea....I'm sure everyone understands my dilemna.
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Greedo shooting first and Jedi Rocks
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Hayden Christensen at the end of ROTJ. What a s**tty way to end the saga. I like Hayden for the most part, but there was no need to replace old Anakin with new Anakin. But that's another argument.
Jedi Rocks and Chewie's tarzan yell are probably the next two for me. The prequels have more than a few moments, but again I'll leave that for another thread. :)
John
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i hate when luke is fighting the monster in jabbas palcae what was its name again
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i hate when luke is fighting the monster in jabbas palcae what was its name again
The rancor. And are you serious? What do you think is wrong with that scene? ???