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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => Saga Collection '06 => Topic started by: Word_Weaver on April 18, 2006, 03:40 PM
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It's the worst figure Hasbro has ever cranked out.
>:(
Oh?
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2leialoose-m.jpg)
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ripping on monkey leia? Say it ain't so... :P
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At least she can hold the weapons that are included in the package!
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She can also hold a pack of wild dogs with a single glance.
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In my case, I order full cartons and sell the extras or open the army builders. Problem is, nobody wants my piece of **** Hoth Vader leftovers. Can't say that I blame them.
It's the worst figure Hasbro has ever cranked out.
>:(
Hrmmm...
Just a little refresher course:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2/POTF2stormtrooperloose-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/episodeI/e1bossnassloose-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw0401hothtrooperfront.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS/rots0510macewinduloose-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2hansololoose-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2vaderloose-m.jpg)
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That is a nice list. Where is the RFT when you need it! :P
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Hey, I actually want a 500th/Hoth/Tatooine Vader. A little loving customizing and he could be awesome; he's got great sculpt and pretty decent articulation. Really, it strikes me that all he needs is some tacky stuff or clear rubber bands or something to hold his lightsaber; it worked well enough with POTF2 Lando's cape and POTF2 removeable helmet Vader's helmet. For that matter, I'd use it on this Vader's helmet too; place it right and it'll come off fine.
As for my purchasing habits when this comes out... VTSC comes first in my book, but I'll be seeking greatest hits Chewie (for opening...), TSC R5-D4 (I love the VOTC R2 sculpt; this figure looks like a heavenly R5-D4), and hopefully Luke. I might just buy Vader, as well- I'll have to see. And if I see one of those Sandtroopers I'm totally nabbing him!
A VOTC Han head stuck on a peg plus a new paintjob sounds like a good way to mess up Cantina Han, really... well, the paintjob looks nicer actually, I never fancied his cream shirt, but I have no desire to own this figure unless I find him extra cheap somewhere.
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That is a nice list. Where is the RFT when you need it! :P
Good point. I was considering adding him to my short list before, but he does look decent face down dead on the floor with some VOTC stormies hovering over him, firing on POTJ rebel fleet troopers. I can't include the POTJ RFT, he's not that bad.
So, without further ado, the POTF2 Rebel Fleet Trooper in all it's suckiness:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2rebelfleetloose-m.jpg)
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I can hear Jesse headed this way now... ;)
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You skipped the very best figure!
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2lukeloose-m.jpg)
Although, there's some value in the headsculpt I guess, for customizing if nothing else. It's not great, but it's not a horror if it's on a body that in some small way even sort of resembles a relative of Mark Hamill.
But this guy is nothing in comparison to what I consider the two worst figures ever made (although Luke at least has customizing value, to a degree):
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw0317luketrdloose-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw0317luketrdfix1-tn.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-dxanakin_front1-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-dxanakin_headcu.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-dxanakin_right.jpg)
And that's not even to mention that fireball-launching grinning surf-dude Mace Windu...
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I can hear Jesse headed this way now... ;)
ya know my spidey senses were tingling when I saw the POTF2 RFT pic, JJ might be going into convultions...
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-Bent ankles
-Caved in Chest Sculpt
-Pre-posed, unarticulated arms
-peewee pee-shooter
-non-removable helmet
-non-functioning pistol holster
-stupid face sculpt (arguable though, it is, at least, neutral)
-articulation style on the legs the company they STOLE it from had already abandoned due to how ****** it is designed
-barely removable vest (for once they use stiff plastic on an accessory they never should have)
-magical hovering holster that isn't sculpted to look attached to the belt
I think you can include the POTJ Fleet Trooper, but that's my point of view of course... He looks better, but he's a piece of **** action figure at the end of the day IMO.
That said, the POTF2 RFT is easily among the worst figures in the modern line overall, and when you include the original POTF2 and whatnot, that's no small acheivement for a figure released a bit later than 1995 to make the all-time worst list. It was attrocious even for a time when "not great" was passable.
I'd say he's even in the top 3 worst of all time... Vintage to now. That POTF2 Fleet Trooper sucks a nut, and quite hard. POTJ RFT sucks though, and as you all know the Rebel Fleet Trooper is doomed to sucking... It's his lot in life.
Though... That Kubrick Fleet Trooper looks kind of cool. :)
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All great contenders for the all time worst list. However, my vote goes to the Bespin guard pack-in with the Carbon Freeze chamber.
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Monket faced leia is one of my most hated....
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I do not know. But there are a lof of weird and ugly looking aliens in Tatooine (and the Tatooine wave) but no of them comes close to Monkey Leia's mug.
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Hey, I actually want a 500th/Hoth/Tatooine Vader.
PM me. I have extras and I'd be more than happy to cut you a deal!!
As you know, I loathe this figure!
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No pic of R5-D4?
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How could I forget?!
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/potf2r5d4loose-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys/potfr5d4topback.jpg)
Good ol' R4 was innovative- he was ahead of his time, he should've been a Saga Deluxe figure. He could come with Buff Luke who could've had a hacking arm when you squeeze his legs together. All it needs is a crappy headsculpt to be a complete set. ;)
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Heeeeelllllloooo?
(http://starwars.carrotnetwork.com/reviews/windu02.jpg)
Constipation, much?
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That Mace is a good example Weaver... So's R5.
This line's put out a WHOLE lotta crap in its decade + on the market. Completists can weep at the thoughts of what they bought. :)
I'd almost forgotten that attrocious Saga Hoth Rebel Trooper too... Somehow worse than the POTF2 figures. Amazing.
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Completists can weep at the thoughts of what they bought. :)
Can I ever. Like, say, wave 1 of the Episode I Accessory Packs? I actually HUNTED, as in drove around to more than one store looking for, the Sith Accessory pack. Ah, to be young and dumb and have gas at less than a buck a gallon.
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That's what I love about this site. Ya get off topic, and they can make a new topic from the OT posts. :D
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That's what I love about this site. Ya get off topic, and they can make a new topic from the OT posts. :D
Exactly. ;)
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how about this Stud...
(http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/saga/0201anakinpeasantdis/lfsm.jpg)
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Need you all remind me of all the wasted money I've spent :-\ It took about 9 years to break the completeist habit. Still tempted by those beaten Mon Mothma ROTS figures though, if only they'd reduce the price. Nah, she'll come out in a box set with a senate pod at some point.
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anything with less than super articulation is crap in my book! ;D
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LMAO!!
This is a great topic! Let's not forget the POTF2 Lando, heh. Well hell, let's go ahead and say AT LEAST the first sixteen POTF2 are definitely all candidates!
:D
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Some of it I try to gauge by the standards set by the period... So to that extent, POTF2 isn't as brutal to tear apart for me... But yeah, it sucks to look back at some of what I've bought and really looked hard for at times.
E1's full of dismal failures... POTF2 as well, but at the time I really was impressed with a lot of it. E1 though was so-so. I remember at the time thinking, "Man, they can do better than this... It's the first new movie year for god's sake!". I just felt let down at the time...
POTJ's opening couple waves really were more of the same from E1 too... Yet E1/1999 went out great with the last of the commtech figures which were HOT. The Stormie was great for its time, and it really stands up even today as "alright" even against the VOTC figure. Sure the VOTC is miles better, but as the filler for the legion, the CT sculpt is pretty decent and abundant.
For me, my worst time collecting was 2002 as far as the ratio of crap to quality... 2002's opening onslaught of Saga figures was my worst nightmare. Action features galore, and pre-posed non-articulated sculpts.
The blast effects were cool, but sculpts were iffy, poses sucked, articulation was non-existant most of that year, and really it was just a dismal failure of a line for not just the fans, but also Hasbro took major hits that year in Star Wars. I was so happy we got all the apology Jedi in 2005... Little bummed no Barriss Offee, that's all.
2002 is filled with shite product to me though... If I was gonna seriously sit down and list what I viewed as crap, a WHOLE lot of the first Saga line would be in my top spots. POTF2 is what it is, and at the time a lot of it was great (Nein Numb was cool to me, but he obviously blows today, or Garindan was nice then, crap now). Saga though had a precedent that was ABOVE what it delivered... We went from POTJ going out on an overall GREAT note, to the preview wave... To pre-posed AND action-feature-laden figures... It just got worse and worse. I don't think Saga improved really till around even the Outlander Wave... That was a whole lotta suckin' going on.
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I could not agree more.
POTF2 was good for its time and brought SW back from the grave.
- R5, Emporers Royal salt shakers, Death star Trooper & Ugnaughts take the prize from me as biggest losers of this series -
EP1 stepped up the deco ops on all the figures and started trickling in some new jedi articulation. Vehicles were nice.
- Boss Nass, Amidala grapple2 take the prize from me as biggest losers of this series -
POTJ really is still one of the nicest collections. Some of its sculpts still hold up really well (Tessek, Boss Nass, Duros)
Cheiwe Derrik champion(Great accessorie), Fode/Beed, & take the prize from me as biggest losers of this series
EP2 was a major set back. This was the only time since 91' I took a break from the line. The figures really blew more than a neighborhood hooker.
Too many losers to list
Clone Wars was the major turnaround to bring collectors and kids back. Articulation really took off with the ball jointed heads and shoulders. Great vehicles and SW army building got its momentum here.
If I had to pic I would say the Arc trooper just too static!
Saga's second half really turned things around and brought me back in 100%
Luke Fianl duel, Darth Final Duel & all action features
OTC - Great line even had great repaints! Loved the whole line.
Liked them all.
Sith was by far incredible! Articulation hit an all time high.
all Anakin(except evo), all OBi's (Except pilot), Palpatine, destoyer droid are the losers for me.
Saga2 is really good but I think Hasbro took a step back with the hologram and custom autographed stands. They lessesned articulation and the price is higher. My thought put the holo & stand back into the figure.
Han carbonite, Derlin, Sora, Veers, Scorch all should have had bendable kness. Sora ankles but not his knees please switch.
Overall its still good, VSC is really bitch'n.
So far the biggest loser for me is rehashed 500th Vader. His helmet pops off to easily!
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Attack Of The 50 Foot Gungan:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-jarjar_front2.jpg)
Saturday Night Lobot:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2lobotloose.jpg)
...And His Dance Partner, Lando "Big Pimpin" Calrissian:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/potf2landoloose.jpg)
Walter "Saltshaker" McGee was often teased in middle school for his lack of articulation and for standing too still:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2ergloose.jpg)
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Call me crazy, but I don't seem to recall R2's third leg being as big as his head, much less Luke's acrobatic feat- and R2's non-melting feat- of firing the lightsaber ignited...
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/potf2fbR2D2loose-m.jpg)(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/potf2fbR2D2saber2.jpg)
I mean, that just can't turn out in a non-messy fashion. Speaking of which, was R2 rolled in black pepper prior to the skiff scene?...
Okay, this figure is cool in concept, and it's an action feature I can actually appreciate, but they could've made it so, so much better by having R2 fire a handle instead of a whole ignited saber, with a slightly-deformed blade at that. This would've let R2 be sculpted in something resembling a normal fashion, and it'd give you a handle to play with, and it would be scene-accurate... the only complaint would be that you'd lose it, but as long as the firing mechanism was pretty weak and you were relatively careful it'd be fine. Better than "whoops I threw my saber across the room" Mace Windu, at any rate.
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anything with less than super articulation is crap in my book! ;D
If it isn't SA and OT then it is Crap in my book...
I think the crap scale depends on someones interest/anticipation of a certain character...
I'll go ahead and say that EVERY Rebel Trooper and Imperial Trooper is crap except VOTC2 BIker Scout and VOTC Stormie, and Saga 2 At At driver.
But the biggest disappointment for me so far has been:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2dstrooperloose.jpg)
I have a bigger list I'll post more later...but right now I am really hating on this fig too:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw0313hansolohrBloose.jpg)
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I have to say that the Han was a big letdown b/c he had a lot of potential. The accessories and the sculpt & detail of the gear were great but at the end he was just a possability impared plastic doink.
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All of POTF2 is terrible.
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'cept for the removable helmet Vader...he's pretty cool...
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All of POTF2 is terrible.
We did get some cool aliens out of it. Even with the lack of articulation some aliens have good scultps.
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We did get some cool aliens out of it. Even with the lack of articulation some aliens have good scultps.
Admiral Ackbar, Nien Nunb (although his vest kinda sucked), and Walrusman come to mind. Mon Mothma wasn't bad either, and she's human...
I can't really hate POTF2 at large because some of it was pretty decent when it was new, and the articulation was enough to make the figures playable and able to pull off a few different poses... I just hate certain horrible bits of sculpting, namely the super-mega-hyper-steroid buffness, and the occasional horrific action features like R5-D4 had.
The suckiness of a figure is in the eye of a beholder; I loved Buff Luke when I first got him, having never owned a Star Wars figure before. But the bottom-line suckiness, I think, is if it really failed to be what it could've been for the standards at the time. The Rebel Fleet Trooper didn't need to be Mr. Universe, R5 didn't need to expode and fire a titan missle from his core, Saga Deluxe Anakin with sliced Geonosian didn't need to exist, VOTC C3PO didn't need to be worse than several previous C3POs, and so on.
To continue the thread though, here's a picture of everybody's favorite $10 pal, with his horrible sculpt and articulation style straight from 1977:
(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Collectibles/Modern/Original_Trilogy_Collection/Vintage_Original_Trilogy/C-3PO/v_c3po_f.jpg)
And what's funny is, everybody's pal Rebelscum describes him as such: "This new version of C-3PO may not look like much, but it's got it where it counts. With improved details than any other version, this figure looks good translating languages, taking an oil bath, and even falling off a cliff! "
"Improved details than any other version", huh? Maybe they meant the paint or something? ??? In fact, I could swear that I read this description once and they uttered the phrase "The Ultimate version of C3PO," but I either imagined that or someone sensibly removed it.
But falling off a cliff is about what he deserves ;)
Oh, and speaking of Saga Deluxe/Ultra figures, here's another I love: he's grinning because he just learned the hadoken and he's going surfing. He's one bad mutha!
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-dxmace_main2.jpg)
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(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-macegr_front.jpg)
This is the worst IMO. Mainly because they didn't release a Mace for AOTC in the first few waves and then they showed this piece of **** figure and it was supposed to appease the fans wanting a new Mace.
Looking back, a lot of Saga1 is awful crap.
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/swsaga0201anakinoploosefront.jpg)
This figure still pisses me off because looking at it reminds me of all of the dolts at the BHC/RS/CSW forums of the time who loved the vintage nod to the retractable lightsaber. That thing is one of the worst they have made...
The sad thing is...once they make a Piece of **** figure like this, they waste spots/tooling on something good most people would buy anyway
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the entire H&V line. I'm not saying the individual figures are horrible, but the concept in general is annoying. Over 20 of last years figures in one year?
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Agreed. The whole idea chaps my ... :-X
Still I was able to score a black clone pilot, my only one, so I am happy. Maybe I will get a few shocktroopers that won't cost 19.99 (with 2 unwanted figs).
I thought these would peg warm but I barely see them on the pegs. Obvioulsy jedi crap kick kenobi and anakin are always hanging out with cannon yoda.
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It seems almost all past Mace figures have ended up being crap. This is why we need a new one so badly!!
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Saga 2002 + is almost entirely a letdown for me... That was my lowest point in collecting ever. Pre-posed figures, lacking articulation, pissy sculpts galore, action features a-plenty.
There's a lot to hate about that era... If I had to label a worst it would be the screaming Mace that OCB posted. Utter bull**** figure.
POTF2 I don't believe sucked overall. It sucks more by comparison to today's standards, but still like was noted there's a lot of winners in there too. The Cantina 3-pack is POTF2, the Pilots 3-pack is POTF2, etc...
There's a LOT of letdowns too in that era though, no doubt. And by today's standards many of those aliens aren't as spiffy as they could be. Nothing is really as good as it could be from that era really. I'd take most of it resculpted, but some of it I'd be happy with as it is too... happy enough anyway.
This year's TSC actually has me let down a good bit though... I'm not to Saga 2002+ levels yet for my disappointment, but I'm not happy that figures went up in price a good bit, distribution is utter bull**** this year, and quality in 2006 isn't where it was in 2005... The 2005 figures had a lot to like, especially Collection 2 Jedi and whatnot, and now here we are at 2006 and figures just lack the same level of articulation, and other little cutbacks. If we were paying $5 or $6 a figure (at most) I'd not feel as strongly, but at $7 and $8 a figure, it'd be nice if we could get past 1983 articulation on the legs there at least ya know? No huge deal, just something to make these more, I dunno, toys than statues.
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I agree, most of the SAGA Stuff royally sucked... remember that awful Qui Gon we got? And the Jedi Duel Luke? Geeze! What a terrible group of figures... even the Clones at that time sucked.
Here are some of the worst ones I can remember... damn pieces of crap.
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/swsaga0202padmeaeloosefront-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/swsaga0203obiwanccloosefront-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-quigon_front-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw0401hothtrooperloose-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-macegr_front-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw0317luketrdloose-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-anakinhd_front2-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw0302macewinduacloose-m.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw0217clonetrooperloose-m.jpg)
I was SO mad at the time when those were the only clones available...
Here is the whole SAGA 2002-2004 list -
2002 FIGURES
02-01: Anakin Skywalker (Outland Peasant Disguise)
02-02: Padmé Amidala (Arena Escape)
02-03: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Coruscant Chase)
02-04: C-3PO (Protocol Droid)
02-05: Kit Fisto (Jedi Master)
02-06: Super Battle Droid
02-07: Boba Fett (Kamino Escape)
02-08: Tusken Raider (Female with child)
02-09: Captain Typho (Padmé's Head of Security)
02-10: Shaak Ti (Jedi Master)
02-11: Battle Droid (Arena Battle)
02-12: Plo Koon (Arena Battle)
02-13: Jango Fett (Kamino Escape)
02-14: R2-D2 (Coruscant Sentry)
02-15: Geonosian Warrior
02-16: Dexter Jettster (Coruscant Informant)
02-17: Clone Trooper
02-18: Zam Wesell (Bounty Hunter)
02-19: Royal Guard (Coruscant Security)
02-20: Saesee Tiin (Jedi Master)
02-21: Nikto (Jedi Knight)
02-22: Anakin Skywalker (Hanger Duel)
02-23: Yoda (Jedi Master)
02-24: Jar Jar Binks (Gungan Senator)
02-25: Taun We (Kamino Cloner)
02-26: Luminara Unduli (Jedi Master)
02-27: Count Dooku (Dark Lord)
02-28: Mace Windu (Geonosian Rescue)
02-29: Luke Skywalker (Bespin Duel)
02-30: Darth Vader (Bespin Duel)
02-31: Jango Fett (Final Battle)
02-32: Qui-Gon Jinn (Naboo Battle)
02-33: Endor Soldier
02-34: Massif (With Geonosian Warrior)
02-35: Orn Free Taa (Senator)
02-36: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Jedi Starfighter Pilot)
02-37: Han Solo (Endor Bunker)
02-38: Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture)
02-39: Supreme Chancellor Palpatine
02-40: Djas Puhr (Alien Bounty Hunter)
02-41: Padmé Amidala (Coruscant Attack)
02-42: Darth Maul (Sith Training)
02-43: Anakin Skywalker (Tatooine Attack)
02-44: Ki-Adi-Mundi (Jedi Master)
02-45: Ephant Mon (Jabba's Head of Securoty) Fan's Choice Figure #3
02-46: Teemto Pagalies (Pod Racer)
02-47: Jango Fett (Slave 1 Pilot)
02-48: Destroyer Droid (Geonosis Battle)
02-49: Clone Trooper (Republic Gunship Pilot)
02-50: Watto (Mos Espa Junk Dealer)
02-51: Lott Dod (Neimoidian Senator)
02-52: Tusken Raider (with Massif)
02-53: Yoda (Jedi High Council)
02-54: Rebel Trooper (Tantive IV Defender)
02-55: Imperial Officer
02-56: Eeth Koth (Jedi Master)
02-57: Teebo
2003 FIGURES
03-01: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Acklay Battle)
03-02: Mace Windu (Arena Confrontation)
03-03: Darth Tyranus (Geonosian Escape)
03-04: Padmé Amidala (Droid Factory Chase)
03-05: SP-4 & JN-66 (Library Droids)
03-06: Tusken Raider (Tatooine Camp Ambush)
03-07: Anakin Skywalker (Secret Ceremony)
03-08: Boba Fett (The Pit of Carkoon)
03-09: R2-D2 (Droid Factory)
03-10: Lama Su (With Clone Child)
03-11: Aayla Secura (Jedi Knight)
03-12: Barris Offee (Luminara Unduli's Padawan)
03-13: Han Solo (Hoth Rescue)
03-14: Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt)
03-15: Yoda & Chian (Padawan Lightsaber Training)
03-16: Ashla & Jempa (Jedi Padawans)
03-17: Luke Skywalker (Throne Room Duel)
03-18: Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel)
03-19: Snowtrooper (The Battle of Hoth)
03-20: Jango Fett (Kamino Escape)
03-21: C-3PO (Tatooine Ambush)
03-22: Padmé Amidala (Secret Ceremony)
03-23: Wat Tambor (Geonosis War Room)
03-24: Coleman Trebor (Battle of Geonosis)
03-25: Darth Maul (Theed Hangar Duel)
03-26: Princess Leia Organa (Imperial Captive)
03-27: Han Solo (Flight to Alderaan)
03-28: WA-7 (Dexter's Diner)
03-29: Lt. Dannl Faytonni (Coruscant Outlander Club)
03-30: The Emperor (Throne Room)
03-31: Luke Skywalker (Tatooine Encounter)
03-32: Darth Vader (Death Star Clash)
03-33: Bail Organa (Alderaan Senator)
03-34: McQuarrie Concept Stormtrooper (Fan's Choice Figure #4)
03-35: Imperial Dignitary Janus Greejatus (Death Star Procession)
03-36: Padmé Amidala (Lars' Homestead)
03-37: Achk Med-Beq (Coruscant Outlander Club)
03-38: Ayy Vida (Outlander Nightclub Patron)
03-39: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Outlander Nightclub Encounter)
03-40: Elan Sleazebaggano (Outlander Nightclub Encounter)
03-41: Imperial Dignitary Kren Blista-Vinee (Death Star Procession)
2003 numbering continues in the Clone Wars line
2004 FIGURES: Wave 1 - Hoth
04-01: Hoth Trooper (Hoth Evacuation)
04-02: R-3PO (Hoth Evacuation)
04-03: Luke Skywalker (Hoth Attack)
2004 FIGURES: Wave 2 - Tatooine
04-04: Luke Skywalker (Jabba's Palace)
04-05: R2-D2 (Jabba's Sail Barge)
04-06: R1-G4 (Tatooine Transaction)
2004 FIGURES: Wave 3 - Jabba's Palace
04-07: Lando Calrissian (Jabba's Sail Barge)
04-08: Rappertunie (Jabba's Palace)
04-09: J'Quille (Jabba's Sail Barge)
04-10: Tanus Spijek (Jabba's Sail Barge)
04-11: Holographic Luke Skywalker (Jabba's Palace)
2004 FIGURES: Wave 4 - Battle of Yavin
04-12: General Jan Dodonna (Battle of Yavin)
04-13: Dutch Vander: Gold Leader (Battle of Yavin)
04-14: TIE Fighter Pilot (Battle of Yavin)
04-15: Captain Antilles (Tantive IV Invasion) Fan's Choice Figure #5
2004 FIGURES: Wave 5 - Star Destroyer
04-16: Admiral Ozzel
04-17: Dengar (Executor Meeting)
04-18: Bossk (Executor Meeting)
2004 FIGURES: Wave 6 - Battle of Endor
04-19: Han Solo (Endor Strike)
04-20: General Madine (Imperial Shuttle Capture)
04-21: Lando Calrissian (Death Star Attack)
It seemed to me that around figure #38 (Cloud City Chewbacca) that line started picking up in quality.
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VOTC 3PO in my opinion looked like the best 3PO,would you rather have a buff 3PO than a normal non-buff one?Also the Commtech Stormtrooepr was ok.
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Now here's a hip 'n groovy figure:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potj/POTJhansoloDSloose-m.jpg)
Back in the earlier pats of the POTJ line Hasbro seemed to exhibit some pre-Saga behavior with a group of main character figures people wanted, that were all stuck in "hi, I'm running and holding my gun with both hands" poses. POTJ Lando, Bespin Leia, and worst of all this Han all suffered from this condition, but I can forgive the other two figures a lot more easily than this one because they're pretty decent otherwise. But this figure is bad news unless you're a customizer who's going to use the arms and reposition the left hand, or who likes the head despite the Jerry O'Connell likeness, or you just want the gun and the belt. The torso is leaning and the legs are also stuck in action land, and it reminds me oh so much of my Coruscant Chase Obi Wan. I have no clue what I'm going to do with those parts...
But you know what the best part of this guy is? His grip is too small to hold the blaster. Yes, it's true, he can't hold that blaster unless you squish the handle or pry open the hand and slip it in. It looks like the same hand mold as Cantina Han almost, but it seems to be just a little bit smaller and tighter, and this blaster has a bigger handle than Cantina Han's pistol.
Here's another moldy oldie (that's not that old):
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2landogeneralloose-m.jpg)
I have a little bit of a soft spot for this guy, but I have to admit he sucks. Why is he in this pose? The other POTF2s at the time weren't doing this and so this bout of suckiness can be fully attributed to him. Also, the Torso is typical POTF2 Schwartzineggar fare, which is kind of disappointing to be later in the line as this figure was.
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw0243anakintafront.jpg)
I'm told this was the best Anakin around when it was made, and that's sad. He's almost as bad as Coruscant Chase Obi Wan, and that headsculpt looks like Bruce Campbell in Anakin Skywalker disguise to me. Not good.
(http://centerstage.net/stumped/photoarchive/136.jpg)
Speaking of terrible Anakins, was he auditioning to play a Ferengi?
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw02dlxanakinffafront2.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw04ultrac-3polooseB-m.jpg)
By not-really-popular demand, here's a 3PO worse than the VOTC. He seems to have fallen into a jelly jar, he's got a weird mark on his chest akin that of John Doe (obscurish, probably soon-to-be-cancelled scifi show), and he's kinda... stumpy. Fortunately he's got a nice little escape pod, but that doesn't really help the figure itself...
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That weird mark is supposed to be the weathering from where the Jawa's restraining bolt was. Yes, the chronology of it is ****** up, but its a lame figure, anyway.
I agree with Jesse, you really have to look at this from the point of view we held of Hasbro's potential at the time each figure was created... The POTF2 Han Solo, for example, was cool as hell, and completely accurate in my opinion, while the Luke looked like complete ass. The Stormtrooper was good, too. The TIE Fighter was perfect. Obi-Wan was good. Greedo was cool.
POTF2 Leia Monkey Face failed miserably, as did POTF2 Luke. R2D5 is probably the most awful of the bunch simply because that piece of **** still hasn't seen its day... When are we going to get a decent one? The biggest disapointments in the more recent were easily the Second Issue Hoth Trooper and Snow Trooper - both of these were pre-posed even worse than their first attempts... horribly disapointing for everyone.
The top of my list, and yet to be named here...
Jabba the Hutt.
Jabba has yet to really get a beautiful recreation the way some figures have. The Bo'marr monk is absolutely perfect, and it was made in 1997. It's a damned shame when the Vintage Jabba from 1983 stands up as the best one yet, STILL.
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Yes, as I said, my view of rather a figure is rubbish is dependant on rather it did something wrong that was really uneccesary/easily avoided given the standards at the time. R5D4 could've been a nice, normal figure made in the same fashion as the first POTF2 R2D2, but no, for some reason he splits in half and fires this yellow plastic thing and has cannons on his legs. ??? Thus, rubbish.
The POTF2s really didn't need to be buff, that was a marketing idea the same as action features and other intentional crud thrown in to "excite kids." But the buffness only periodically really killed the figures (Rebel Fleet Trooper), and some got away okay in spite of it (most Han Solos), at least at the time. The same can again be said of action features, which can totally ruin a figure (Saga Deluxe Slashing Anakin's faults, other than that headsculpt, can all be traced down to the action feature) or just be a mild impediment (Bespin Duel Luke is a good example).
People's standards are different, and a figure someone loves someone else might think is garbage, so this is just my view of what really makes a figure sucky. But too, the faults that plagued entire lines overall do make those figures less cool from a right-now standpoint; so it's a matter of certain lines/groups having universal/common flaws, but only some of them truly being bad figures for it when viewed in perspective.
Personally, I kind of like General Lando in a way, but I can't call him a good figure either. :)
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VOTC 3PO in my opinion looked like the best 3PO,would you rather have a buff 3PO than a normal non-buff one?Also the Commtech Stormtrooepr was ok.
Of 3PO sculpts that exist, I think ONLY the POTF2 sculpt is worse than the VOTC (off the top of my head here)...
I prefer the following WAY over the VOTC sculpt:
-Vintage (ironically, it seems better to me in proportions)
-POTD 3-pack 3PO
-Rem. Limbs 3PO
-Tusken Attack 3PO (Flashback)
-ROTS 3PO
-Escape Pod 3PO (The sculpt is fantastic... Paint's so-so, but represents a dirty 3PO well)
-MMC 3PO (my favorite "Classic" 3PO at the moment, though the Ewok Throne one should replace this)
That's a pile I just think are better than VOTC... I just had my review of VOTC 3PO posted in my Review-A-Thon here last week, so check out the reviews section of our site here at JediDefender.com for my in-depth reasoning as to why VOTC 3PO sucks, but the short version is:
-Caved-in Chest
-Skinny scrawny sculpt
-pin-head with completely inaccurate detailing
-goofy, unnatural pose
The paintjob's not bad on him... Probably the most accurate one so far for a dirty ANH 3PO (not good for 3PO in ESB or ROTJ though). The pose I see where they were going with it, but it really ultimately fell flat... Mostly the "walking" legs kill it over the arms. I'll add to my sculpt dislike the fact that the arm pistons from the bicep to forearm aren't "separate" whereas they are on other figures and that looks better and more realistic. No C-3PO has that yet though,just R-3PO for some reason if I'm not mistaken.
And of course articulation's a mess on this overpriced figure... This C-3PO managed to have less articulation than a number of others when joints are easy to do on figures like this, they just require a pin & socket style of joint built into the figure...
Anyway, VOTC C-3PO is one of my all-time worsts I think... It's up there with Buff Fleet Trooper and Monkey Faced Leia for me. Just attrocious. Fortunately 3PO has a lot of versions of himself available to pick from that are better, just none are ever truly great... Even the Endor 3PO coming up isn't spectacular... Give him swivels at his biceps and wrist joints, and I'd sing some better praise on him I think.
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I can'T believe no one's mentioned Aayla Secura and Cmdr Bacara from ROTS yet...Aayla looked ok, until you got her out of the bubble. She has no elbows, and only one swivel bicep, but she has swivel wrists (oooh) Add in the fact they used the cheap rubbery plastic for her entire body and the fact her swivel torso came apart just below her shirt, so she fell apart before she even took a dive, thanks to her rubbery legs. Also the second one i got to keep MOC had her belly turned 180 degrees...she had the hollow in the small of her back where her bellybutton should have been. As for Bacara, do i really need to detail the flaws here? Fixed left arm at 90 degrees, with only a swiveljoint, when the right arm is fully articulated properly. NO knee articulation, but they gave him ankle joints...WHY?! And the less said about the "action" feature, the better. They could and SHOULD have just put his armor on the #6 clone body if they wanted one with an action feature done right, or just slapped the armor on the 41 SA body (like i did). I don't understand why the Neimoidian Warriors warmed pegs tho, I got two of them, but i kept em MOC. I think they've got potential to make cool looking alien jedi, or bounty hunters...Even swap the head with the Tank Gunner (another one on my list of stinkers) and make a Proto Boba from between AOTC and when he finally donned Jango's armor.
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I meant besides ROTS 3PO Jesse James. :P But you can think what you want!
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I think nemoidians warmed not because they were bad figures, but because they were Nemoidians.
Hasbro of late seems to enjoy making decent figures of side and small characters, but generally stiffs the primary characters (Commtech Luke and Han, and an awesome new Garindan from scratch). And while it's great to have the good figures of the side characters, the main characters don't pegwarm simply because they're the main characters; they're what kids and casual fans buy.
Even HaV ROTS Anakin #2 reprinted shortly after a version that had the cool cloak accessory probably hasn't pegwarmed, simply because he's Anakin Skywalker (or a pile of animal waste assembled in such a way as to resemble
him).
Oh yeah, speaking of which:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS/rots0502anakinsaber.jpg)
I'm sorry, but this figure was utter rubbish the first time. A crippling action feature, horrid sculpting... that about covers it. I'm not going to totally gripe about the originally inaccurate lightsaber or even the lame way they "fixed" it by giving him a Dooku saber he could barely hold, either. Oops, I think I just did >.<
So then they improve him by removing the red lightsaber altogether, and giving him a groovy cloak; and then they reprint the first version. And they pack him in with all kinds of stuff. Awesome.
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I think the list would be shorter if the question was the better previously released figures. My list is way to big to post with pictures. I would even include some of the EVO figures with how Hasbro cut corners with articulation etc. Take the Anakin to Vader one. E2 Anakin has the cool arm articulation, but no ankle articulation and E3 Anakin has the swival arm (bad IMO) articulation with the ankle articulation, WHY? I think they would have saved money if the legs on both were the same, because Anakin didn't change his pants and boots from E2 to E3. Yes, they are one of the best versions we have of Anakin, but it could have been much better and would have took less R&D time to make.
Also what is the deal with the Clone Troopers? The 41 SA Clone is good, but he should have the hip articulation of the AT-TE Gunner for the perfect SA Clone Trooper. Plus the quick draw Clone is pathetic. All the Clone Troopers are the same, so why didn't Hasbro make one SA version with the Gunner hips and then add all the differences to that one version? That would have knocked out 22 different figures that they made with different version with one perfect version with minor changes. Would have saved them money IMO and made us happier, but who knows what Hasbro's R&D department is thinking when it comes to this stuff.
roron corobb
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Well, yes, many problems plague the line continuously.... and there are some things that just make you scratch your head along the development process because they make no sense whatsoever.
Personally, my theory in what to post in this thread has been figures that I could laugh at, because they just looked and/or performed so horribly. I mean, Deluxe Screaming Anakin with Giant Robes, Harness, and broken arms?! Crippled by an action feature to ice the cake. I really had a ball the first time I saw it because it's just so awful that it's hilarious to even look at.
So anything that might fall into that kind of horribleness is worth posting here in my opinion :) After all, while everybody loves articulation and mostly hates action features, a Star Wars figure has some value if it at least makes a nice-looking statue. But if it looks horrible, or it's action feature is so bad that it cripples the figure in a completely noticeable way, that figure is true crap in my opinion.
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Figures I would like to never see at reatil again that currently are:
500th Vader
ROTS Yoda
Slash attack Anakin
Kicking Obi Wan
Missle Fire Destroyer
Droid Attack R2
Cantina Han body from POTF
Luke Tatooine body from POTF
POTJ Chewie
All terrible and waseting shelf space.............
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Hey, POTJ Chewie and 500th Vader aren't so bad. POTJ Chewie makes a great statue if nothing else, the sculpting is excellent, and 500th Vader is an awesome Vader if you handle him the right way (there's an easy method for getting the helmet to stay on and stay removeable, not to mention that you could just glue it on if you don't want it removeable; and his hand can too hold the lightsaber, it's just flimsy; he does better with a bigger-handled one like ROTS Vader's saber, though).
Luke... they really should've updated that body. It was great back then... in 1999... but he really needs wrist cuts these days at least. Cantina Han, argh, couldn't they have given him some new arms at least? Or a new chest.
Slash Attack Anakin and Kickin Obi Wan are two of the biggest pieces of trash in the line. Ugly and poorly functional as a toy, that makes a terrible action figure right there.
As I said... it should either look good, or play good (and my idea of good means being able to do a lot of things with it/ at least function for it's basic purpose), if not both. If it can't do either, what's the point? "Slashing Attack!" Or to gaze at Lando's chest of steel. You know you want it. Or Monkey Face Leia.... which you can melt and still looks just as good, and will probably hold the weapons just as good :)
Incidentally, if you hate 500th Vader, I challenge you to try making Monkey-Face Leia hold her weapons and see if you really think she's any better... she can hardly keep her skirt and cape on and stand up at the same time.
This figure skims my garbage list because his sculpting (read: headsculpt and cape) was decent... but he's just so horribly assembled that he warrants hatred:
(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-dooku_front.jpg)
Problems:
Those arms are stuck like that. That cape DOES NOT stay on. There is nothing to keep it on but gravity and that means he has to be at just the right angle. His stance is awful, he can barely stand up. I have him leaning in my display.The action feature is murder- you squeeze his legs together and he swings his lightsaber like he's had about 50 cans of Jolt Cola in the last hour- it's hilarious just to even do it. And it's quite easy for him to throw his lightsaber doing this, too.
I pronounce him Count "SuperSlap" Dookie.
On the plus side, the head would make for good customs, and the Sideous hologram is nice- nicer than the minifig we're getting these days in fact.