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Multimedia => The Original Trilogy => Topic started by: Diddly on July 27, 2004, 12:41 PM
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Yet ANOTHER crappy change in the OT DVD..... Boba Fett's voice has been replaced by the voice of Temuera Morrison. Also, they gave Morrison NEW LINES, further butchering the scenes.
Also, there are RUMORS that all the Stormtroopers now have Morrison's voice as well.
You can find samples HERE (http://www.quartertofour.com/bloodynews/postnews/show_news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1090854142&archive=&template=).
Thanks for screwing up some good characters, Uncle George. >:(
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Yuck, Why, why! >:(
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I was just reading that around the net. Lucas is f'ing these things up far worse than he did for the 1997 Special Editions now. This guy is a freaking joke.
Someone please hand the Star Wars Saga over to Peter Jackson, and let him re-do the WHOLE thing so we can get it right.
Damned Lucas... >:(
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Yeah, just came from the "ROTJ Ending" thread to post my thoughts...but it is starting to get a bit much. I don't know if it is quite necessary to do some of these changes...Fett/Stormtrooper voices being one of them. These are certainly starting to sound like different movies than the ones we grew up with. I am still looking forward to them though, and actually, part of me will be anxious to see how the changes look/sound when actually sitting down and watching the movies.
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The more I listen to this... He's no good to me deeeeeeeeeeead! WTF!
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....what the ****?
"He's no good to me ded."
This sucks ass, all of these dialogue changes have been a downgrade thus far. Is it really necesarry to say "George Lucas has lost his mind"?
I'm pissed at Morrison for never having seen Empire Strikes Back - perhaps if he had, he'd know that Boba Fett's line is a chilling, "He's no good to me dead." Not a somewhat upbeat rapid-fire, "He's no good to me ded."
Pure garbage.
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
This sounds like utter crapola. "Ded" will forever haunt my dreams and tarnish my thoughts!
Not only that, in the new Emporer dialouge makes him sound like he's drunk or retarded.
Not good, not good at all!
*walks off to curl up into little ball*
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At this point...
I'm half tempted to believe what I want about Star Wars and forget Lucas's butchering. Changing what has been one's perception just because you're on a "whimsical mood" sucks ass.
Lucas is indeed trashing the films, and this is coming from someone who appreciated the SPecial Editions.
At this stage, if he's changed the Stormtrooper voices around, I'm ignoring it. He's allowed a plethora of EU that contradicts this very notion.
Honestly, I can stomach Fett... He does, after all, supposedly turn into an identical Jango eventually, but the Stormtroopers have SO much background to them that counters this.
The Fett thing irritates me, the Stormtrooper thing downright p!sses me off.
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According to that DVD website which has been giving us all these images, the stormtroopers' voices have remained intact...
"I'm not that enthusasitic about the stormtroopers' voices being changed, tho, if that is to be the case."
They haven't. Only Boba's voice has been re-recorded by Temura Morrison. In fact, in the one clip I've heard, it didn't sound much different from the original voice. According to the guy that posted all these new screenshots from A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, the storm troopers voices are the same. The Wampa attack hasn't been added to ESB as was rumored. The taun-tauns look like they haven't been replaced, but he says they do look like the animation has been tweaked to make it smoother and more realistic. The detention block corridor on the Death Star has been redone. Also, Luke's scream has been taken out according to him. He is legit, and he has all of the DVD-Rs. He even posted caps of the Episode III doc, as you can see a few pages back.
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I really REALLY hope that's the truth Lando. The Stormie issue's my biggest gripe with all the changes. I can buy Temura Morrison doing Fett's voice persnally. It seems almost logical, though I feel his old voice was more sinister.
The McDiarmad footage is needed IMO and sounded good.
Sebastian Shaw's replacement's fine (we have a ghost and basic version of him to remember him by as well as removable helmet Vader), and whatever "reason" Lucas gives to it being a Young Anakin's prbably passable IMO.
The Strmie thing really would bug this military fanatic about the Star Wars trilogy though. It would disevow SO much EU it's not even funny. It would really make one look at the EU as a complete joke played on the fans who enjoy it IMO.
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Whoa! :o That's terrible.
I'm not actually all that bothered by Tem Morrison doing the voice... it makes sense in the 6 movie modern revisionist consistecy world, but god... some respectable voiceover direction could have been applied. That's pathetic.
I did a ton of ADR work on a couple of Disney games I worked on, and we had to loop out a bunch of really recognizable actors with sound-alikes (we did it for David Spade and James Garner). Its not freaking hard to 1) coach an actor to time his delivery to fit the scene 2) give the actor audio and video reference for the scene. Even when you can't synch an actor exactly by ear, it's easy to fix timings in ProTools to make it freakin' work. It's obvious they had him waltz into a booth and rattle off lines, and they slammed it into the mix. Unbelievable.
How hard is this:
Tem sits in a booth.
Sound engineer cues up references lines from take used in previous mixes (heard for 20 years).
Tem sees line on monitor. Tem hears line in earphones.
Tem says line. Tem hears beep.
Tem says line again. Tem hears beep.
Tem says line once again. Beep, once again.
Engineer lines up take in ProTools, sees how well it fits, plays back for VO director.
VO director OKs or doesn't.
Apparently the people working on the OT DVD release are complete and total IDIOTS. Amazing. >:(
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http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/07-30-04-games/Brendle.jpg
Posted elsewhere, but applicable here. Beware of a dirty word though.
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I would be fine with all the changes he is making for the DVD editions if he would actually release the original 1977/1980/1983 versions of the OT on DVD so they will at least be around. Those are the versions of the films that people fell in love with, long before Greedo proved himself as the worst shot in the galaxy, before Han was sweet and fuzzy from the beginning, and before Jabba looked more like Pizza the Hutt. If you want to change things, that's fine George, but at least give us the option of seeing the films the way we loved them in the first place. I think people would be much more accepting of these new versions if they could see the old ones from time to time.
That being said, I think that instead of modifying the OT to fit with the PT, it should have been the other way around. He could have actually paid attention to continuity when writing the PT ("I had an outline all along" my ass) in the first place and we'd never have to take out Leia's line about remembering her mother or sticking Hayden's "Uncle Pervy" leer on Shaw's body, or any of this other stuff. Jeez...
That said, aside from the totally mistimed reading of the line, I didn't think Tem's Boba was horrible at all.
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I'm not that bothered about Fett being revoiced, the thing that bothers me is that Tem Morrison doesn't really like SW as far as I know and he did a crappy job. Does anyone know which lines of Fett have been changed and what they are now?
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I hadn't heard he didn't like SW, but ya know I'm not surprised either.
I can stmach Boba's voice changing though I like the idea of his original sinister voice more... I coulda bought that even if there was some excuse that he had the raspiness to it or whatever (throat injury... heavy smoker? I dunno).
The stormies, I'm praying, aren't changed is all.
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I was at a fair last year talking to a seller who had had a Saga Jango figure signed by Tem Morrison at one of the shows he saw him at. He said that Tem, had hated all the geeks who wanted to talk to him and that he was only doing two signing events so he could pay off his mortgage :). Probs that he hates SW is a strogn word, but its definetly not his favourite subject.
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Now that you mention it MIke, I too recall hearing somewhere that Morrison isn't a big fan. I could see him being condescending, which (to me) LFL should have some say in the crap the actors spew about "fans".
It's a shame, but in the end I'm sure he does get hounded and if he really doesn't care for/about his role than I'm sure he's doubly PO'd when he's asked for autographs and whatnot.
The funny thing in the end (If he is this much of a jerk) then is that he needs to do cons to pay off his mortgage. Wow, that gotta sting.
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Not being mean to Kiwi's in general but i HATED absolutely LOATHED the kiwi accents in Ep2
It sh!t me to tears!!!
It just didn't sit right with me from the opening line, when he was cast i was dubious but after hearing him i knew he was crap , he got rave reviews for "once were warriors"
But how many of us gave a crap about that as long as he didn't kill one of our fav characters?
JANGO AND YOUNG BOBA SHOULD HAVE BEEN VOICED OVER, not the other way around, wonder what Jeremy Bulloch thinks about this sh!t.
Bet you he's not happy either.
I was one of the few that liked the SE but this is taking things to far.Boba's voice is suposed to inspire fear not make me laugh.
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I was one of the few that liked the SE but this is taking things to far.Boba's voice is suposed to inspire fear not make me laugh.
It's good that you can laugh - cause it makes me want to cry. :-[
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Well it's not really that big a deal is it???
I mean Lucas lead us to believe Fett was cool.
He had time to line up his shot at Skywalker , missed by a country mile and then died screaming like a sissy.
Wonder if they will redo his sissy scream ::)
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They could add "Crikey!" to it maybe? :)
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Yeah in that crappy kiwi accent.
I love kiwis but hate their speaking voice unless it's all kiwis then it's fine.
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I couldn't even tell the difference... It's like separate parts of Ireland to me. I can't differentiate unless the one person's speaking Gaelic a lot. The accent blends in to me.
Of course, the same could likely be said for accents in the states I'm sure. Pittsburgh's so vastly different to say, New Jersey, that I notice it but people on the outside may not.
I just know the Americans would link "Crikey" to it... The Crocodile Hunter has ingrained that upon us.
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I think the whole "accents" thing started with the neomodians in ep1, that annoyed me because in the first 3 there were no accents, no i know it's foolish to believe that there would be no accents like that or any other in a galaxy far far away , but i really don't want to hear them.
Does that make me a bad person??
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That's something I agree on... I liked hearing just British and American accents. I could see a variety of UK accents actually, and even the odd Irish one snuck in like Jabba's that was dubbed over.
The thing is that Lucas is pushing this accent issue, like you said, with it starting iwth the Neimodians.
Those are characters who should've had their own language and freakin' subtitles.
I like Watto, dunno why, but the Neimodians it just doesn't look/sound right together....
Same goes with Dexter Jettster. I don't look at that thing and think of that voice. A surly American accent perhaps, but not what we got.
I'd label Jar Jar as similar, and all Gungans...
Sometimes, Subtitles can really make your characters more "deep".
Chewie never uttered one intelligible word in the whole trilogy, but yet he was such a vastly superior character to many prequal characters that you can understand EVERY word.
If I were to redo the prequals, thse are things I'd have changed up. Tough on Jar Jar to limit him to Subtitles though, unless you actually limit his character as well (not a bad thing though). If you leave him with all his dialogue now though, Subtitles would be distracting. On the Neimodians and Dexter though, it'd be really quite nice actually, what with their limited lines anyway.
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Yeah subtitles like with Jabba would have been much better, than the crap they were spewing out.
Yeah and i definately agree with you on the chewie point he was an awesome charachter and didn't have to say a word.
Wish he'd look back at his older movies and learn from them.
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Awful reads. Terrible. The voice doesn't bother me... the acting does.
ESB Fett change (http://pwp.t-3.cc/lordmall/Movies/Bobas_voice_comp.wmv)
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BOOOOOOOO.
Good lord, that is TERRIBLE. Morrison could've at least TRIED to talk slower and match the original voice, not give us this fast paced mumbo jumbo. >:(
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I can picture Lucas sitting there saying...
"No No No Tem, ya gotta do it much ********. If you do that so well I'll have nothing to laugh about later!"
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BOOOOOOOO.
Good lord, that is TERRIBLE. Morrison could've at least TRIED to talk slower and match the original voice, not give us this fast paced mumbo jumbo. >:(
I agree. I really don't care that Morrison is overdubbing Fett's voice but he should try to match the old performance. I actually liked the other clip of "He's no good to me dead" but this one is not good.
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I know.
The original sounds sort of like "As you wisssh...", and the new one sounds like "asyouwish".
Just ******* terrible.
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BOOOOOOOO.
Good lord, that is TERRIBLE. Morrison could've at least TRIED to talk slower and match the original voice, not give us this fast paced mumbo jumbo. >:(
Yep that is Craptacular.
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It's pretty obvious Tem just phoned this in. It's just sloppy reading. He and whoever directed him in the voicebooth both need to be pelted with copies of the Holiday Special.
What's worse though is that the sound designers had every opportunity to make these things perfect. I mean, really raise these DVD soundtracks up to modern standards... definitive. To chuck those aweful lines in like they are, with those horrible gaps in timing is just pathetic. Not only is the line read bad, but the gap of "nothing" that follows "as you weesh" disprupts the scene's pace and tone. I mean, it's wretched and jarring. It feels like you're taken out of the scene its so bad. What a half-assed job.
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They could add "Crikey!" to it maybe? :)
Yeah! Just change the lines to:
"Come on now, Vader. No disentigrations? Crikey!"
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"Crikey! He's no good to meh ded!"
and then add a line where Fett says, "Crikey, Luke! That's a right nice saber ya got there, mate!" after luke cuts up his gun.
Yeah... that'd work real nice...
Jeff
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Yknow i have this horrible feeling that Empire will no longer be my fav starwars movie
And i'm getting a bit mad about it actually, why can't he leave it alone?